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Speaker 1: and here they are. I got a couple for you, Ben, welcome,

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Speaker 1: good morning, good time.

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Speaker 3: The Cowboys give up four point seven yards of carry,

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Speaker 3: so a lot of focus into the game is, of

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Speaker 3: And I'm just curious if there's a scenario where our

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Speaker 1: Say why not try it?

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Speaker 4: because that's kind of where we're casting our gaze.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, is you know, what is our identity going to be.

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Speaker 1: with the Vikings. But I guess some college football stuff

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Speaker 1: for you we'll get into momentarily. But all this pure

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Speaker 1: Brilliantly explained from a learned football mind. But reason sixteen,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you can take this approach of being progression based,

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Speaker 1: So if I say just or I have said many times,

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Speaker 4: like Koc that says, Okay, let's let's just we can

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Speaker 4: He finds his swivel in Tampa Bay. I mean, big

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Speaker 4: I mean, from a pure comedy standpoint, I love it.

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Speaker 1: Well, now, Kaepernick's just absolutely right. Oh yeah, yeah, what

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Speaker 1: from three to four thirty. We're going to get into

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Speaker 1: some non Vikings related conversation and also at the end

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Speaker 1: of the segment. If you missed Nordo's parody free ballin

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Speaker 1: We're going to play it back about twenty minutes from now.

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Speaker 3: Thanks to Gray's Food Hall by Travail in Minneapolis for

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Speaker 3: hosting Vikings watch parties during road games this season. Guards

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Speaker 3: he's been there several times. I've been there several as well,

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Speaker 3: double duty and we absolutely love it. And this Sunday

441
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Speaker 3: night at Gray's Food Hall cool by the way, several

442
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Speaker 3: different food options combined with the drinks, perfect spot to

443
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Speaker 3: watch the Purple in action. And we'll do the Vikings

444
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Speaker 3: watch party again. It's a seven pm game on Sunday

445
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Speaker 3: night at Gray's Food Hall. I will be there, prizes,

446
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Speaker 3: giveaways at the end of each quarter. We're gonna have

447
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Speaker 3: a blast and hopefully we're gonna get to see JJ

448
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Speaker 3: free ball and we can be singing that together or

449
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Speaker 3: not probably that bad answer, but Gray's Food Hall Sunday

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Speaker 3: night watch party.

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Speaker 1: Join us. That's cool. Where it's a place again, Nordo,

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Speaker 1: Gray's Food Hall. It's in Minneapolis. It's in the shadow,

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Speaker 1: it's backside of target Field. It's an awesome spot. College football.

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Speaker 1: Ben Liber at Nacho Liber for a hot tick. First,

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Speaker 1: why do you applaud Notre Dame, Iowa State, You're Alma mater,

456
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Speaker 1: and Baylor for opting out of bowl games.

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Speaker 4: Because I think it's going to take something like this,

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Speaker 4: to something like this and other things as big as

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Speaker 4: this to get the uncuaa's attention that things have to change,

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Speaker 4: that people are not happy, that the whole system.

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Speaker 1: Needs to be So you mean portal NIL games just reevent.

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Speaker 4: I mean they they want to act like there are

463
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Speaker 4: certain rules and obligations to bowl games when people abuse

464
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Speaker 4: the NIL they set a precedence for coaches to jump

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Speaker 4: ship during the middle of seasons.

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Speaker 1: You know, they they.

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Speaker 4: Act like you can't do this because this is the

468
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Speaker 4: way it's always been. Are you out of your mind?

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Speaker 4: We are so off the rails with college football, Like

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Speaker 4: don't even get me, don't eve gnt me started on,

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Speaker 4: like you have to do this because you know we

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Speaker 4: allow you to basically be here, Like no, you don't.

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Speaker 4: Notre Dame and Iowa stayed in, Kansas State and Baylor

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Speaker 4: and all these other teams that are opting out. We

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Speaker 4: don't owe you anything. You put us in a horrible

476
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Speaker 4: position because of your lack of leadership, because for years

477
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Speaker 4: and years and years the things that were going on

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Speaker 4: under the table. I mean, and the quote unquote nil

479
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Speaker 4: has been going on for decades. It's always been under

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Speaker 4: the table. They've they've had compliance people, they've they've policed

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Speaker 4: it a little bit. It remained under the table in

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Speaker 4: dark because they had.

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Speaker 1: Rules and they've looked the other way a lot. Well

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Speaker 1: they well probably because I mean, but they but they

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Speaker 1: will come hard.

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Speaker 4: They will come down hard on organizations when they find

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Speaker 4: out that they that they really were egregious about some

488
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Speaker 4: of this stuff, right, and now that they've now that

489
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Speaker 4: the NIL is in the spotlight and now it's this

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Speaker 4: common practice. They've had so many years to actually legalize this,

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Speaker 4: allow this and put rules in place to make it fair.

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Speaker 4: They refuse to do that, and now it's out of control.

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Speaker 4: And now it's out of control. They've done the same

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Speaker 4: thing with everything in college football. So I don't want

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Speaker 4: to hear it that people are like, yeah, but it's

496
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Speaker 4: about the fans.

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Speaker 1: I don't think the fans.

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Speaker 4: Find me one Notre Dame fan that's going to turn

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Speaker 4: their back on the team because they didn't play in

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Speaker 4: some meaningless bowl game. Nobody, nobody, And don't sit there

501
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Speaker 4: don't talk, you know, and preach that, oh we you know,

502
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Speaker 4: we want to see our team play, and this is

503
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Speaker 4: what like, No, No, it's you're not out there. You're

504
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Speaker 4: basically telling these guys to do all this stuff to

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Speaker 4: entertain you for three hours.

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Speaker 1: I don't I don't understand. Will you help me with

507
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Speaker 1: one thing? Is there a common thread here, Notre Dame,

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Speaker 1: Iowa State, k State, Baylor, whomever else as to why

509
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Speaker 1: they backed out of these bowl games?

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Speaker 4: Oh for sure, Well, not a common thread, but there

511
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Speaker 4: are reasons behind, so I know from Kansas State stand point.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 1: Climbing retires, Colin Klein comes in as the new head coach. Again.

514
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Speaker 4: Weird timing, you know, it's during the college football season.

515
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Speaker 4: He's Colin Klein is the offensive coordinator at Texas A

516
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Speaker 4: and M.

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Speaker 1: You think that they want to lose him right now?

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Speaker 4: No, but he's going to go back to Zama Mater

519
00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:20,600
Speaker 4: and he's going to become the head coach because what

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Speaker 4: what an opportunity in the NCAA allows it, So he's

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Speaker 4: going to do it.

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Speaker 1: So is he coordinating A and M's game against the games?

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Speaker 3: He is?

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Speaker 1: I think they're going to allow him to do that. Wow,

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Speaker 1: well that sounds like five players plucked from the Well

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Speaker 1: that's the thing. Well, I think the thing is like

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Speaker 1: I think Texas and A and M is probably looking

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Speaker 1: as like, well, we don't think that there's a lot

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Speaker 1: of players that are going to jump from Texas, A

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Speaker 1: and M to little little Kansas State, you know. And

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Speaker 1: so they said about the Hoosiers.

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Speaker 4: Well exactly, then if but if Colin is really good

533
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Speaker 4: about finding some youthful, younger kids that maybe don't have

534
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Speaker 4: the opportunity and may not have the opportunity, he might pluck.

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Speaker 4: The point is great for them to allow him to

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Speaker 4: do that. But that's a different situation where Colin wants

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Speaker 4: to He wants time right now to put together his

538
00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:10,720
Speaker 4: staff and hit hit the you know, the transfer portal,

539
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Speaker 4: and make sure that he brings in the right guys.

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Speaker 1: He wants to implement his own team.

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Speaker 4: He doesn't want to be distracted by Bowl prep for

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Speaker 4: a meaningless game against another six and six football team

543
00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:22,920
Speaker 4: that nobody's going to care about, right and all you're

544
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Speaker 4: doing is benefiting the people that run the bulls, that's it.

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Speaker 4: So he's he's thinking about Kansas State first and foremost,

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Speaker 4: which you should. I always says, now they're in a

547
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Speaker 4: different situation. Matt Campbell had already decided not to before

548
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Speaker 4: he went to Penn State. But you look at Notre Dames.

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00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:41,040
Speaker 4: Notre Dames looks like, hey, we didn't make the college

550
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Speaker 4: football Playoff. We're taking our ball and we're going to

551
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Speaker 4: go home. Screw all you guys. And I say good.

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Speaker 4: If that's if that's what it takes to reevaluate how

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Speaker 4: we choose these teams and who gets in and who doesn't,

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Speaker 4: I'm fine with that. If they're gonna if they're gonna

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Speaker 4: take the heat for it, what do they get? What

556
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Speaker 4: are they gonna lose? Virtually nothing? Maybe what maybe a

557
00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:05,120
Speaker 4: million dollars are playing in a bowl game.

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Speaker 1: And some of their best players would probably opt out

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Speaker 1: of the game anyway, exactly being like, got the draft,

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Speaker 1: I'm Jeremiah Love, I'm not playing this game right right.

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Speaker 1: You know that's a good breach right there in Nordo.

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Speaker 3: Well, I think I think that's the key is as

563
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Speaker 3: the NFL calendar continues to expand and just engulf everything

564
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Speaker 3: the exhibition, that that word in itself really dwindles down

565
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Speaker 3: the meaning of what effectively, in some ways is just

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Speaker 3: a money grab right. I mean, we can have forty

567
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Speaker 3: more bowls. We just need forty more sponsors that are

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Speaker 3: willing to put their name on a stadium, entertain a

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Speaker 3: week and schools are going to make some money. The

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Speaker 3: one thing I wanted to hit on too, though, it's

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Speaker 3: not just them opting out of bowls, but just what

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Speaker 3: one of the biggest problems I have and we see

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Speaker 3: in the NFL two, like the Lane Kiffen thing down

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Speaker 3: with Ole miss to LSU and just the the within

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Speaker 3: the construct of a season. We talked about it when

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Speaker 3: Stefanski left as a coordinator and people doing inner with

577
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Speaker 3: head coach. Why can't this happen after the season? Everyone's

578
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Speaker 3: in a freaking rush man and the lane not I

579
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Speaker 3: mean they they couldn't have just sat down for coffee

580
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Speaker 3: at a handshake deal. They got the papers printed out.

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Speaker 3: We know what the money is going to look like,

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Speaker 3: and we can't just wait a month. But it's that rush,

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Speaker 3: and it's the advance, and it creeps into the back

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Speaker 3: end of the season, further mitigating and kind of watering

585
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Speaker 3: down this time of the year for college football.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I completely agree.

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Speaker 4: You know all you know we are one of millions

588
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Speaker 4: and millions of people around the country that are screaming

589
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Speaker 4: at the NCAA do something. The schedule is out of control,

590
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Speaker 4: it doesn't make any sense. It's not fair to the coaches,

591
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Speaker 4: it's not fair to the players, it's not fair to

592
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Speaker 4: the high school kids, it's not fair to the universities.

593
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Speaker 4: But the NCAA yet does nothing. So again, whatever they

594
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Speaker 4: can do to tear this thing down and scream from

595
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Speaker 4: the highest mountaintops that people aren't happy. I mean, I've

596
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Speaker 4: you know, I heard about the Kiffen thing.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 4: The reason why he was asking for that was a

599
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Speaker 4: twenty five million dollars a year in NIL that's perpetual

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Speaker 4: every year at LSU is because he was he was

601
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Speaker 4: staunchly against the nils and just like, how just loose

602
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:20,000
Speaker 4: it is in a wild West it is. And so

603
00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:22,440
Speaker 4: he gets this new job, and really it's kind of

604
00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:24,920
Speaker 4: a double middle finger to the nc double A and

605
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Speaker 4: saying like, if you guys are going to allow this,

606
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Speaker 4: I'm just gonna get super stupid, egregious with this thing,

607
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:32,520
Speaker 4: and see what LSU is gonna allow me to do.

608
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Speaker 4: And they allow, They're gonna allow him to do twenty

609
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Speaker 4: five million dollars every year to pay players. And it's

610
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Speaker 4: like he's kind of smiling out of both sides of

611
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Speaker 4: his mouth because he's like, I get to build my

612
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Speaker 4: roster with twenty five million dollars every year, and I

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00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:51,080
Speaker 4: get to basically tell the nc double A, Hey.

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Speaker 1: You're allowing me to do this.

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Speaker 4: All of these coaches and these organizations are gonna be

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Speaker 4: that they're already so pissed in the sec that they

617
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Speaker 4: have to now compete against this, and they're going to

618
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Speaker 4: go scream to a brick wall because the NCAA won't

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Speaker 4: listen to them.

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Speaker 1: All right. Lastly, the Indiana Hoosiers name came up, non

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Speaker 1: blue blood football team and market Bloomington, Indiana. Is it

622
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Speaker 1: possible for others, for other off the radar college football

623
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Speaker 1: teams to do what they are doing or do you

624
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Speaker 1: absolutely have to have a Mark Cuban funding the fun?

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Speaker 4: You know, I don't know what these guys are getting paid,

626
00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:37,600
Speaker 4: but when four of the defensive starters for maybe five

627
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Speaker 4: are James Madison players, this is wow. This is not

628
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Speaker 4: about this is not about having all the money in

629
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Speaker 4: the world. It's about being a smart recruiter. So I

630
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Speaker 4: think I think every every ad in around the country

631
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Speaker 4: is saying, well, we can, we can as long as

632
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Speaker 4: we have something so more to what Indiana has, Like

633
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Speaker 4: Indiana already had, you know, decent facilities. From the way

634
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Speaker 4: I understand it, it's not like they're building this thing

635
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Speaker 4: from nothing.

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Speaker 1: If you have decent facilities.

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Speaker 4: And you bring in the right coach and you trust

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Speaker 4: that he knows how to recruit, then I don't know

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Speaker 4: why you couldn't compete with an Ohio state that has

640
00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:22,160
Speaker 4: nothing but five stars. Yeah, backing up five stars, because

641
00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:27,240
Speaker 4: when it comes to recruiting kids, it's not about always

642
00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:29,360
Speaker 4: about the talent that you have right now. It's about

643
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Speaker 4: what you can have and then the coaching has to

644
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Speaker 4: come and be involved in that. And that's the one

645
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Speaker 4: thing that I'm super super proud of playing a place

646
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Speaker 4: like Kansas State was we had no choice but to

647
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Speaker 4: develop that was we didn't have We didn't have four

648
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Speaker 4: and five star guys. We had zero star and one

649
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Speaker 4: star and two star guys. But yet you know, we're

650
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Speaker 4: a game away from that National championship game in nineteen

651
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Speaker 4: ninety eight because because we develop, like we actually put

652
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Speaker 4: time into practice to develop fundamentals, we find guys actually

653
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:03,440
Speaker 4: want to be there and not just guys that are

654
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:06,120
Speaker 4: looking for handouts and money.

655
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Speaker 3: My last thing, and this has just popped in, is

656
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Speaker 3: the NFL wants to control everything. The NCAA continues to

657
00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:18,160
Speaker 3: show ineptitude. Is there ever a possibility in your brain

658
00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:21,840
Speaker 3: where I mean tradition college football, how about that that

659
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Speaker 3: the NFL would find their way into. Well, let's control more,

660
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:29,799
Speaker 3: let's set up development leagues, Let's set up opportunities for

661
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Speaker 3: kids bypass the helmet school.

662
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Speaker 1: And that's going to be a tough sell, I get it.

663
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Speaker 3: But in the long term, the ability of NFL teams

664
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Speaker 3: to actually create a platform for high school age children

665
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Speaker 3: and their next step instead of college would actually be

666
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Speaker 3: development leagues. To the NFL directly, it's not tomorrow.

667
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Speaker 4: I think it'd be fascinating to look at it from

668
00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:56,040
Speaker 4: this angle, though, you know, there are rumors out there

669
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Speaker 4: and I think there's not even one. I forget which

670
00:34:57,719 --> 00:35:00,160
Speaker 4: team it is. It's very topical. They're looking at selling.

671
00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:05,440
Speaker 4: They're selling the conference is selling off to private equity.

672
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Speaker 1: And Utah. Yeah, Utah is.

673
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Speaker 4: A specific team, and I thought there was a conference

674
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Speaker 4: that was, you know, before the conference realignment stuff, they

675
00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:18,400
Speaker 4: were thinking about looking at private equity. You know, I

676
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:22,279
Speaker 4: think it'd be beneficial for the NFL to come in

677
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Speaker 4: and invest in college football in some capacity like that.

678
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Speaker 4: If let's just say the Big Twelve or the ACC,

679
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Speaker 4: you know, not the SEC, because that's the ESPN has

680
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Speaker 4: a stronghold on that, Fox has a stronghold on the

681
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Speaker 4: Big Ten. But if the NFL came in and bought

682
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Speaker 4: the Big twelve and bought the ACC and they reshaped

683
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Speaker 4: it in the way that they saw fit, man, I

684
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:50,920
Speaker 4: think it's I think it'd be a major money generator

685
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Speaker 4: for the NFL, the shield itself, and I think because

686
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Speaker 4: they actually have strong leadership, it would force this supposed

687
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Speaker 4: NC double to adhere to what they were doing in

688
00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:05,960
Speaker 4: their best practices because they have a better idea what's

689
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Speaker 4: better for the players than what the NCAA does.

690
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Speaker 1: So you played for the nineteen ninety eight KSA Wildcats, Yeah,

691
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:16,799
Speaker 1: number three in the BCS in December. Whoa, And then

692
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:20,440
Speaker 1: we got Edgar and James for the Canes. As time

693
00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:25,440
Speaker 1: was running out on UCLA, Kansas State held a seventeen

694
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Speaker 1: to three lead over number ten Texas A and M

695
00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:31,439
Speaker 1: in the second quarter of the Big Twelve championship game,

696
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Speaker 1: and the crowd roared at the announcement of Miami's victory. However,

697
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:39,840
Speaker 1: the Aggies chipped away at the Wildcats lead and tied

698
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Speaker 1: the score at twenty seven. With one minute to play.

699
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Speaker 1: Kansas State quarterback Michael Bishop completed a fifty five yard

700
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Speaker 1: hail Mary with time running out, but the receiver was

701
00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:56,040
Speaker 1: tackled just short of the goal line and the game

702
00:36:56,080 --> 00:37:00,080
Speaker 1: went into overtime. The teams traded field goals until a

703
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Speaker 1: M's Brandon Stewart through a thirty two yard touchdown pass

704
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Speaker 1: to Sir Parker. They gave the Aggies a thirty six

705
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Speaker 1: to thirty three double overtime triumph over Nacho Lebers. Kansas

706
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Speaker 1: State dreams uh dreams of an unlikely championship seemingly came

707
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Speaker 1: to an end. Well, then it got controversial. Number four

708
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Speaker 1: Kansas State was left out of the BCS Balls despite

709
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Speaker 1: their high ranking, instead being sent to play unranked Perdue

710
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:35,920
Speaker 1: in the Alamo Bile and number ten Tu Lane was undefeated,

711
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Speaker 1: but their light schedule eliminated them from championship consideration. The

712
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:42,040
Speaker 1: Green Wave would match up against Brigham Young and the

713
00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:44,799
Speaker 1: Liberty Ball. You see you see how long? How long

714
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Speaker 1: it's been going on.

715
00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:50,320
Speaker 4: You see how long ago NC DOUBLEA has been royally

716
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Speaker 4: eft this whole situation.

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Speaker 1: Get the NC Double A, the PTSD you have from

718
00:37:56,600 --> 00:37:59,279
Speaker 1: football related stuff from this. I thought it was just

719
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Speaker 1: a nine Louisiana super Dome, the FARV game. No.

720
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Speaker 4: So, so this is so, this is how this went down.

721
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Speaker 4: This is how corrupt college football is. So that so

722
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Speaker 4: we had the last game on Saturday night. Okay, we're

723
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Speaker 4: going to double overtime against A and m We if

724
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Speaker 4: we win that game, we're in.

725
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Speaker 1: The national championship game. Geez, okay. So we end up

726
00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:27,880
Speaker 1: losing that game against Miami, I believe. Yeah, they were

727
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Speaker 1: the number one seed. Yeah, so wow, you had Gramatica

728
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Speaker 1: on your team, yeah, mar team Wow. And Michael Bishop,

729
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:37,960
Speaker 1: by the way, was a bomb college quarterback. Yeah, blin

730
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Speaker 1: Blenn junior college.

731
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Speaker 4: So here's what happened was because of the way that

732
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Speaker 4: the system worked back then, and it's still as corrupt

733
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Speaker 4: as it is now. All of the other bowls had

734
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Speaker 4: already agreed to the teams before we played that game.

735
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Speaker 1: That's unbelievable.

736
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Speaker 4: So we lose that game, we're not they they expected

737
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Speaker 4: us to go in the National championship game. I don't

738
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Speaker 4: know why, because we're playing the number ranked, number ten

739
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:06,920
Speaker 4: ranked Texas A and m Aggie's like, then we're not

740
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Speaker 4: playing some terrible team here.

741
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Speaker 1: Yeah.

742
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:14,759
Speaker 4: So we get to bull Sunday Selection Sunday. We have

743
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:18,040
Speaker 4: no place to go. So all of the big bulls

744
00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:21,359
Speaker 4: that we should we qualified for. We were the notre

745
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Speaker 4: dame at the time. You were eleven to zero into

746
00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:26,719
Speaker 4: that game, eleven and oh, and we got shuffled down

747
00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:27,120
Speaker 4: to the.

748
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Speaker 1: Alimable just beating nothing but ranked teams week after week.

749
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Speaker 1: Colorado with Cordell Stewart. Jeez, oh, I think we smashed Texas.

750
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Speaker 1: You beat number eleven Nebraska forty thirty, you beat nineteen

751
00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:44,560
Speaker 1: Missouri thirty one, twenty five. Ah kay, you killed Texas

752
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:46,360
Speaker 1: forty eight seven, third game of the season.

753
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Speaker 4: Yeah, that was dreadlocks and everything. I think he had well,

754
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Speaker 4: I think he had like maybe twenty yards rushing.

755
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Speaker 1: This is the best.

756
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Speaker 4: So then, so the point is we get shuffled down

757
00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:57,920
Speaker 4: to the aliable we have and we're playing Drew Brees

758
00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:00,480
Speaker 4: and Purdue and we end up getting beat right, But

759
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Speaker 4: the point is nobody wanted to play that game. We

760
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Speaker 4: had a team, we had a players only meeting that Monday.

761
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Speaker 1: You only lost by three at the wire, yeah, but

762
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Speaker 1: it was a high scoring game.

763
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Speaker 4: And what you know, we had a players only meeting

764
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Speaker 4: much like a lot of these young kids are doing

765
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Speaker 4: right now, and we had a meeting about whether or

766
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Speaker 4: not we're going to accept this Bowl invitation to go

767
00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:21,840
Speaker 4: down to San Antonio. And we were basically, we as players,

768
00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:23,680
Speaker 4: said no, we don't want to play in this.

769
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Speaker 1: This is disrespectful.

770
00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:27,040
Speaker 4: We don't want to play in this in this Bowl game,

771
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:31,200
Speaker 4: and basically are the way we understand it now is

772
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:34,680
Speaker 4: our ad basically came to the head coach and said,

773
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Speaker 4: we're leaving, you know, three million dollars or whatever it

774
00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:41,680
Speaker 4: is on the table if we don't accept this this

775
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:42,279
Speaker 4: bull bid.

776
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know we're still lowly k state.

777
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Speaker 4: I mean that that pays for our whole coaching staff,

778
00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:50,719
Speaker 4: you know at the time, So we were forced to

779
00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:53,319
Speaker 4: play a game that we didn't want to play and

780
00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:55,640
Speaker 4: because we knew at the time it was disrespectful because

781
00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:57,799
Speaker 4: of the money. So because of the money. So it's

782
00:40:57,800 --> 00:40:59,840
Speaker 4: the same situation. If so, if Notre Dame has the

783
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:03,560
Speaker 4: that's awesome to give a double middle finger to the NCAA.

784
00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:05,000
Speaker 1: I say more power to you.

785
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:07,080
Speaker 4: You go ahead and do it because guess what, their

786
00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:09,680
Speaker 4: fans aren't going anywhere. Their TV deals for next year

787
00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:12,200
Speaker 4: on CBA or NBC are going nowhere. Right, they can

788
00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:14,719
Speaker 4: do whatever they want. Man, Hey, you laid that out

789
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Speaker 4: so beautifully. Coven for the second time.

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Speaker 1: The show Company Collapse Brad Sham, the forty seven year

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Speaker 1: box for the tech for the Cowboys started the radio

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Speaker 1: show We got Covenant collapse. So does Ben Leber? All right,

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Speaker 1: Tom watching them on Channel five today three to four thirty.

794
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Speaker 1: Thank you Children's Cancer Research Fund, See you this weekend.

795
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:34,440
Speaker 1: All right, all right, man, Ben Leber back after this

796
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:42,800
Speaker 1: pure progression, this free blowing foot movement that with JJ

797
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:45,719
Speaker 1: McCarthy man nine to news, just looking for a little

798
00:41:45,719 --> 00:42:02,600
Speaker 1: free balling. It's a long year talking about our mangles,

799
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:10,720
Speaker 1: the leg whips and the fastballs too. He's a young kid.

800
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Speaker 1: I hope he turns out like Elway.

801
00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:19,799
Speaker 3: I've lost count to those that he overthrew.

802
00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:22,520
Speaker 1: The party to thrown over the middle.

803
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Speaker 3: And it's intercepted by m duffy neurological pats. The power

804
00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:35,359
Speaker 3: of completions with pitch and catch doesn't have to be

805
00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:36,280
Speaker 3: this hard.

806
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Speaker 1: But he's a young kid. You gotta keep the patience

807
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:48,480
Speaker 1: even cakes like just go spinning around the yard. Now

808
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Speaker 1: he's free.

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Speaker 3: Free poor.

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Speaker 1: Yeah is pre he's preta. JJ McCarthy. Now he is

811
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Speaker 1: pre That's what Orga wants. He wants some free ball

812
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Speaker 1: and pre ball.

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00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:21,799
Speaker 3: Had somebody text ask me why you don't want him

814
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Speaker 3: to wear underwear? Is prim.

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Speaker 1: He's pre ball. That's beautiful. Thank you Tom Petty, Thank

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Speaker 1: you Nordo, Thank you Cannonbury Parkcannerbury Park dot com. From

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Speaker 1: news de nord Thank you Texans, box Mark Vandermere for

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Speaker 1: your patience and your kindness and your gratitude for recognizing

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Speaker 1: we're gonna be a couple of minutes later. Here we're

820
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Speaker 1: glorifying the greats because we got newsed in nord near that. Yeah,

821
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Speaker 1: we do indeed.

822
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Speaker 3: Sad for Gophers hoops last night. They weren't able to

823
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:56,040
Speaker 3: replicate their performance against Indiana. They were just absolutely pasted

824
00:43:56,080 --> 00:43:59,080
Speaker 3: by Purdue eighty five fifty seven's the final You.

825
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:01,520
Speaker 1: Called that yesterday with that twenty and a half point spread.

826
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Speaker 3: Well it was just one of those things, I mean,

827
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Speaker 3: you know, slumpbuster for Purdue, who was just barrassed, embarrassed

828
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Speaker 3: in nearly historical fashion at home the previous game tomorrow night,

829
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Speaker 3: looking forward to the Howel getting back in action. I'm

830
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:16,640
Speaker 3: going through Howell would drawl with this weird Cup game schedule.

831
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Speaker 3: It's completely screwing my fantasy team. No one cares about that,

832
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Speaker 3: I meant. But the Wolves are back at it at

833
00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:23,600
Speaker 3: the Dubs tomorrow night at nine pm.

834
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Speaker 1: Well, let's make it worse. Steph Curry's up there in

835
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Speaker 1: active lists. He's practicing great narrow casting my fantasy team functually,

836
00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:34,399
Speaker 1: of course, face is Steph Curry this week. He's missed

837
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:36,520
Speaker 1: a month. Now I'll get him. So it always works.

838
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Speaker 1: But for the how yeah, they're very much a goin

839
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Speaker 1: to get Steph tomorrow night pre balling now.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So thirteen and twelve Dubs have had their own

841
00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:47,160
Speaker 3: worries with injuries and various things. Wolves largely healthy. Let's

842
00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:50,440
Speaker 3: get that w tomorrow and then final hour, final thing.

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Speaker 1: PA.

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Speaker 3: We're gonna have Joe Smith of the Athletic on he

845
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:55,280
Speaker 3: covers the Minnesota Wild because that's kind of the a topic.

846
00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:59,319
Speaker 3: Tonight YEP is seven o'clock puck drop, Dallas Stars in

847
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:04,240
Speaker 3: Town and the Wild are playing host at Grand Casino Arena,

848
00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:06,640
Speaker 3: so bounce back and forth or just stick to the

849
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Speaker 3: puckets on your home for Wild Hockey the Fan Thursday

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Speaker 3: Night football of course Falcons and Bucks.

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Speaker 1: Who cares.

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00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:15,520
Speaker 3: Let's see if Caprice off and all members of the

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00:45:15,520 --> 00:45:18,719
Speaker 3: Minnesota Wild can be wearing Christmas colors and getting two

854
00:45:18,719 --> 00:45:20,960
Speaker 3: points tonight at Grand Casino Arena.

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Speaker 1: Joe Smith, the lead hockey mind with the Athletic Athletic

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Speaker 1: dot Com and D does join about twenty minutes from now,

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Speaker 1: and he tweeted about fifteen minutes ago. Two things here. One,

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Speaker 1: thank you coach Hines for shooting straight with nine to now.

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00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:39,880
Speaker 1: As he shared yesterday, don't count on Zooki or Midzy tonight. Indeed,

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Speaker 1: with the line combinations at the morning skate, Joe tweets

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Speaker 1: at Joe Smith NHL, the Wild goot Caprice off, You're off, Tarasenko,

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Speaker 1: Jojo Eric Sinec, Baldi, Trainion Hartman and Ogrin, Jones, Sturm

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Speaker 1: and Pittlick for the fourth line. So no felinos still

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Speaker 1: pairing on Deeve Joe from the Athletic fifteen to twenty

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Speaker 1: minutes from now. Our weekly football segment we began when

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Speaker 1: the team was four and eight. Now it's five and

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Speaker 1: Glorifying the Greats, focused on the Pats last week. This

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Speaker 1: week we will chat about the Houston Texans and we'll

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