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Speaker 1: Aiming a conversation about downtown Cincinnati and most notably the crime.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the fifty five KRC Morning Show and

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Speaker 1: a happy new year to Ken Cover. FOP President's great

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Speaker 1: to have you back on the show.

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Speaker 2: Sir, Hey, good morning, Brian, Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: Your reaction matter have to have Purvol's proposal to increase

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Speaker 1: the property to increase the income tax in order to

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Speaker 1: deal with public safety, but a lot of other things,

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Speaker 1: he said, new revenue will allow us to fund and

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Speaker 1: further prioritize public safety investments and support our police and

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Speaker 1: fire in a historic way. Do you really need money

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Speaker 1: to come out loud and start talking up and supporting

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Speaker 1: the police verbally and in public and encouraging the citizens

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Speaker 1: of the city to work with police as opposed to

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Speaker 1: reject them and consider them all to be an evil force.

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Speaker 1: I mean that to me right there would go a

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Speaker 1: long way our elected officials out loud showing support for

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Speaker 1: you and the members of law enforcement.

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Speaker 2: Now, you know, I think that there's this misnomer that

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Speaker 2: throwing money at a problem somehow equates to supporting public safety,

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Speaker 2: and it just doesn't. Money's not going to solve this

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Speaker 2: no matter how much money you throw at it, and

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Speaker 2: raising taxes is just not going to help anything. It's

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Speaker 2: just I you know, it's following what this Future's Commission said,

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Speaker 2: which is a bunch of CEOs from downtown that have

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Speaker 2: a stake in this play in the city that thinks

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Speaker 2: that it's going to be a good idea to raise taxes,

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Speaker 2: and instead of looking at the budget and seeing, well,

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Speaker 2: is there places that we can cut stuff if we

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Speaker 2: want to fund things more, and instead the simple answer

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Speaker 2: as well, we're just going to tax people more. People

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Speaker 2: are tired of being tax I was looking at some

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Speaker 2: social media stuff this morning online and you can't find

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Speaker 2: one person that supports this. It's nonsense. I hope council

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Speaker 2: members take heed of this and do the right thing

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Speaker 2: and decide to vote this down.

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Speaker 1: Well, one thing is for certain, if they do support

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Speaker 1: an increase in the income tax, it will be something

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Speaker 1: that the voters in the city will get to at

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Speaker 1: least to approve or jecked as a concept. And I'm

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Speaker 1: just wondering how the voters are in the city of

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Speaker 1: Cincinnati feel about having their income tax raised.

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Speaker 2: Ken. Yeah, well, I mean I'm not too hopeful about

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Speaker 2: the voters of the city, especially considering how this election

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Speaker 2: just worked out. But that goes for Hamilton County as well.

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Speaker 2: You know when we're seeing that the law law and

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Speaker 2: order judges that are not being re elected. So I

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Speaker 2: don't have a whole lot of hope for what's going

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well that's going to make things worse. Christopher Smithman

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Speaker 1: said a lot of his financial planning clients moving out

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Speaker 1: of the City of Cincinnati for all these reasons, crime,

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Speaker 1: property taxes, income tax, and not getting return on the

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Speaker 1: investment for the taxpayers that are a taxpayer for the

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Speaker 1: dollars that they spend in taxes. So it's going to

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Speaker 1: only going to exacerbate if your prediction is true. It

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Speaker 1: follows Christopher's and that is a bad, bad thing on

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Speaker 1: a going forward basis for basically city and Hamilton County. Pause,

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Speaker 1: bring Kenn back. Talk about some of the things Provall suggested,

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Speaker 1: like accepting the help from the Ohio fifty five per

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Speaker 1: CD talk station. Very happy wins to you. After the

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Speaker 1: top of the hour news we're gonna hear from Jack

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Speaker 1: out of Theton with a big picture. I always enjoy that.

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Speaker 1: Currently talking with that FOP president of Kenkob represent the

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Speaker 1: sin St Police Department Union and a hello, I just

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Speaker 1: got a text from a guy I know. You know

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Speaker 1: story career in law enforcement. Retired from the Sin Sint

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Speaker 1: Police Department after multiple years, John Newsom went on to

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Speaker 1: be a Warren County sheriff. He said, tell Ken hello,

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Speaker 1: and then ask him if there are any performance measures

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Speaker 1: regarding the Ohio State Patrol working in the city. Mayor,

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Speaker 1: I have to have pur vault. Yesterday, when talking about

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Speaker 1: this income tax increase, he said also that he intends

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Speaker 1: to continue the city's current public safety initiatives, like extending

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Speaker 1: the partnership with the Ohio State Highway Patrol. Now, when

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Speaker 1: this whole crime thing hit the fan last summer and

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Speaker 1: part of the concern from people was, wait a second,

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Speaker 1: the governor has offered you thirty days, every single day,

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Speaker 1: every month of the year, assistance across the broad array

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Speaker 1: of law enforcement. But the only chose to take him

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Speaker 1: up on two days a week or two days what

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Speaker 1: was it a month or a week? And then four

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Speaker 1: days he didn't take the entire package. Do we know

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Speaker 1: did Ohio State Highway Patrol's presence, as limited as it was,

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Speaker 1: have any impact on crime? Did it help at all?

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Speaker 1: And if they extend this partnership, do we have these

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Speaker 1: metrics that can show, yes, this is worth doing. Although

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Speaker 1: it does sound like it's worth doing from my perspective

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Speaker 1: just on its face, Yeah, I.

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Speaker 2: Mean, it's certainly worth doing. I know they did have

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Speaker 2: a lot of success, especially using their helicopter from people

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Speaker 2: were able to assist in making arrest. So it's certainly

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Speaker 2: worth it. And the interesting part is I talked to

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Speaker 2: Andy Wilson, who's the director of the High Department of

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Speaker 2: Public Safety, which oversees all of these entities for the state.

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Speaker 2: I talked to him yesterday because you know, as we

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Speaker 2: heard the mayor talk about how that they were going

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Speaker 2: to extend this relationship, of course I pick up the

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Speaker 2: does this look like? And he did say in fact

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Speaker 2: that yes, he goes, I've talked to Chief Henny. He goes,

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Speaker 2: he's extremely excited about expanding this. He goes, I'm not

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Speaker 2: so sure yet exactly what that means. And of course,

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Speaker 2: you know, I was a bit apprehensive because we certainly

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Speaker 2: saw uh in September, you know, when they offered all

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Speaker 2: the mayor immediately pushed back and gave, you know, seven

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Speaker 2: different reasons why they couldn't do this, and then of

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Speaker 2: course in the twenty third hour when they were getting

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Speaker 2: back a week later and said, okay, well we'll do

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Speaker 2: some things. But to your point, I'm going to get

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Speaker 2: a hold of the director today and see if they

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Speaker 2: have any metrics that they can provide of because they

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Speaker 2: keep stats for everything. It would be nice to know, Okay,

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Speaker 2: what is our even though it's technically not costing the

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Speaker 2: city anything, it's costing taxpayers. You have to have these

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Speaker 2: troopers down here, But what is what's the return on investment?

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Speaker 2: I think that's important for people to know.

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Speaker 1: I agree with that, and I guess we are still

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Speaker 1: down a lot of police officers, at least in terms

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Speaker 1: of the contingent in the city of Cincinnati. One of

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Speaker 1: the efforts was we need to hire more police. We

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Speaker 1: need to do lateral hires because it takes a while

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Speaker 1: and running. We wouldn't need the Ohigo State Highway Patrol

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Speaker 1: if we had enough police officers to start with. I mean,

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Speaker 1: isn't that the core of the problem right now? Insufficient

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Speaker 2: Yeah, without a doubt. I mean, they just they authorized

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Speaker 2: a class of thirty laterals. We have a class of

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Speaker 2: seven that's starting.

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Speaker 1: Seven three weeks to my next question, exactly what I

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Speaker 1: fund that this new income tax of this whatever pile

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Speaker 1: hiring new police officers and boosting the ranks of the

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Speaker 1: Sincinnti Police Department. Can we even do that in this

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Speaker 1: anti police environment created by all these left wing nut

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Speaker 1: jobs which made policing, which used to be a laudable

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Speaker 1: has reduced it now to something that no one wants

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Speaker 1: to do. So, is there any way to overcome the

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Speaker 2: Well, the answer right now is I don't think there's

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Speaker 2: a way to overcome it. I mean, we saw what

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Speaker 2: fourth and Elm brawl that occurred, you know, where you

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Speaker 2: had investigators that were being ordered by city officials to

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Speaker 2: sign criminal charges when the prosecutor's officers they weren't warranted.

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Speaker 2: Who wants to work in those conditions? And then now

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Speaker 2: on top of it, now they're talking about raising taxes.

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Speaker 2: Who wants to come into work in the city of

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Speaker 2: Cincinnati when you're going to pay more taxes. I mean,

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Speaker 2: these are all things that, whether they believe it or not,

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Speaker 2: are having an impact on being able to hire police officers.

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Speaker 2: And we've seen this. Now we do have a metric.

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Speaker 2: Let's talk about metrics. They authorized thirty lateral recruits and

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Speaker 2: we got seven. What's that tell you? That tells you

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Speaker 2: everything you need to know.

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Speaker 1: It's scary right there. Yeah. I mean for the people

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Speaker 1: who hate the police, mission accomplished congratulation on undermining what

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Speaker 1: used to be a respected profession and bringing about a

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Speaker 1: lot of crime in our cities for want of police officers.

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Speaker 1: That's Appaul and Ken, it really is. And I'm glad

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Speaker 1: you brought that up because that's been my sort of

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Speaker 1: police officer? If you I mean you had a figure

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Speaker 1: in mind that could overcome this challenge. We got thirty

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Speaker 1: We're gonna have a full contingent of thirty. In fact,

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Speaker 1: If money is the.

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Speaker 2: Object, I'm sure there is a figure, but I can

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Speaker 2: tell you apparently the City of Cincinnati, it's not there,

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Speaker 2: because when you're only getting seven out of thirty, I

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Speaker 2: And you know, we'll see what happens they talking to

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Speaker 2: the mayor talked about yesterday about all these historic investments

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Speaker 2: in public safety over twenty twenty six or we're going

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Speaker 2: to see what that is, because we're going to be

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Speaker 2: negotiating a contract at the end of the year, so

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Speaker 2: we're going to see just how his historic the investments.

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Speaker 1: Are Joe's comment, that's going to be fun. Ken Kober,

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Speaker 1: can you We'll pause, we'll bring it back because I'm

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Speaker 1: going to ask you about this camera situation over in

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Speaker 1: the program talking abou crime in the downtown Cincinnati and

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Speaker 1: the problems associated with on the heels of the matter,

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Speaker 1: his statement starking about increasing the income tax in the

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Speaker 1: city for public safety, along with affordable housing and a

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Speaker 1: whole litany of other things. How about one hundred and

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Speaker 1: fifty thousand dollars that they allocated last September for cameras

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Speaker 1: to the friends over in the West End. Since let's

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Speaker 1: see here, Dominic Davis got shot and killed in twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty three, that's when they're first talking about installing cameras.

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Speaker 1: Then we have the death of Greener we read eleven

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Speaker 1: Dominic was gotten down, and still no cameras. One hundred

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Speaker 1: even know if the cameras are up, and neither does

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Speaker 1: the mayor. The mayor said yesterday that since a police

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Speaker 1: know how many or how many still need to be installed, quote,

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Speaker 1: CPD is doing the work to identify those numbers and

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Speaker 1: pocket have them, we will make them available to you.

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Speaker 1: I know they don't necessarily prevent crime, but they go

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Speaker 1: a measure of comfort. What's going on with this? How

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Speaker 2: Well, here's the interesting part about this. So the city

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Speaker 2: big surprise, a bucket truck to be able to go

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Speaker 2: bucket truck if another city department says, yeah, there's one

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Speaker 2: available for you to use. So this sounds a whole

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Speaker 2: have the personnel to fill this, their response was figure

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Speaker 2: that happened. You have politicians that go, this sounds really good.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna go in front of a camera. We're gonna

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Speaker 2: say we're gonna allocate one hundred fifty thousand dollars that

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Speaker 2: we're gonna put cameras up and they're going to do this. Well,

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Speaker 2: if you don't have the means to be able to

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Speaker 1: Have and it takes so damn It seems like such

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Speaker 1: a simple thing to accomplish, Kent really does. I mean,

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Speaker 1: everybody and his brother's got a camera on their house anymore,

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Speaker 1: ring doorbell. I know that's probably not an adequate types

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Speaker 2: Yeah, without a doubt. So you decide we're going to

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Speaker 2: invest one hundred and fifty thousand dollars in cameras, but

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Speaker 2: we don't have the equipment for them to install them.

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Speaker 2: I mean, that's silliness to think that this is going

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Speaker 2: we know that they would never just throw money at

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Speaker 2: a problem, But unfortunately, in this case, that's exactly what

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Speaker 2: it seems like has happened.

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Speaker 1: Well, among the safety plan that he had mentioned, permanently

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Speaker 1: implementing walking patrols in the city that requires the manpower

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Speaker 1: same problem. Investing in technology like license plate readers, so

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Speaker 1: I understand that's like the flock camera kind of deal.

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Speaker 1: And then finally investing in programs that had proven to

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Speaker 1: it sounds like the vast majority of the proposals from

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Speaker 1: going back to your point, if you can't get an

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean this is the problem, Like all these

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Speaker 2: things sound fantastic, Let's have walking patrols. Where are you

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Speaker 2: we're going to put people on Vine and Main Street

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Speaker 2: between Central Parkway and Liberty where no data suggests that

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Speaker 2: there's been an increase in crime. Everything's been in north

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Speaker 2: Over the Rhine. But all we're gonna do is walk

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Speaker 2: That doesn't make much good sense, but that's exactly what

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Speaker 2: we've got to have walking patrols in Washington Park. Well,

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Speaker 2: there hasn't been an increase in crime in Washington Park,

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Speaker 2: so why are we going to do this? While we're

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Speaker 2: doesn't make any sense. This is the problem that I've

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Speaker 2: had with the mayor all along is stay out of policing.

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Speaker 2: You're not a police officer, you're not a law enforcement professional,

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Speaker 2: never have been. Let the police department run the police department,

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Speaker 2: and maybe you'll see things change. But until that happens,

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Speaker 1: And I'll add along and double down on my earlier comment.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't cost a dime for the mayor and the

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Speaker 1: announcements that we should be supporting the Cincinnati Police and

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Speaker 1: stop demonizing them, work with them, make phone calls, hand

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Speaker 1: in tips, help control the crime in your neighborhood by

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Speaker 1: working cooperatively with the Cincinni Police Department. That's a simple statement.

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Speaker 1: I just made it up off the top of my head,

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Speaker 2: Can without a doubt, adding tax revenue is not going

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Speaker 1: It's just not going to now when you can't get

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Speaker 1: people to be police officers. FOP President Cancobra on behalf

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Speaker 1: of my entire listening audience and my family to you

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Speaker 1: and every member of law enforcement. God bless each and

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