Speaker 1: By Billy Cunningham, the Great American. First of all, Happy
Speaker 1: Thanksgiving to all. And we heard from, of course CEO
Speaker 1: John Ferret expressing Thanksgiving wishes to all in the tri State,
Speaker 1: talking about the conditions of Cincinnati. Now, Joe and you
Speaker 1: and I Now is the Governor of Ohio, Mike Dwine.
Speaker 1: He is going to talk about the state of Ohio
Speaker 1: and so much more. George Will loves Mike Dwine and
Speaker 1: I love Mike DeWine, despite the protestations of some. I
Speaker 1: love Mike DeWine. Governor Mike DeWine. Welcome again to the
Speaker 1: Bill Cunningham Show. And first of all, what do you
Speaker 1: and Fran do? How many coming over? How many pies?
Speaker 1: How much gravy? What does it look like for tomorrow
Speaker 1: for the Dwine clan?
Speaker 2: A lot, a lot of good gravy, A lot of good,
Speaker 2: good pies. That brand is making homemade pies. If you
Speaker 2: want to come over, you and the judge want to
Speaker 2: come over, you can do it, Billy, we want Nobody
Speaker 2: will even know that you're not related. They'll just look
Speaker 2: down the island, you know, look down the Oh that's
Speaker 2: a cousin. That's a different cousin.
Speaker 1: I got a classic photo of me, Penny, you and
Speaker 1: my mother which is on my nightstand at home. You
Speaker 1: might recall the late nineteen nineties, and I got a
Speaker 1: great great Yeah, I was there and great. Well the
Speaker 1: way we all looked a bit younger at that point, you.
Speaker 2: Know, well, well, I guess that's right. So and answer
Speaker 2: to your question, Fran tells me about forty five. So
Speaker 2: this is this is immediate family. These are kids, grandkids
Speaker 2: and their spouses and yeah, and one one great granddaughter.
Speaker 2: So you know, all good, oh good.
Speaker 1: A wise man told me that in the seventies and
Speaker 1: when I when I was in my twenties, it was
Speaker 1: much more fun than being in the twenties.
Speaker 3: In my seventies, would you agree. I'm gonna try that
Speaker 3: on me.
Speaker 2: I've had fun, you know, my twenties, thirties, forties. You know,
Speaker 2: I'm now in my seventies, so yes, still having fun
Speaker 2: and joined what I'm doing. And now we got you know,
Speaker 2: I got a lot of grand kids, so that's great.
Speaker 3: How many do you have? Do you know about how many?
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, we have twenty eight, twenty eight grandchildren. So yeah,
Speaker 2: it's good, very very blessed.
Speaker 3: Enough this enough for this yes, let's get down to
Speaker 3: the hard tax.
Speaker 1: First of all, I see the Ohio National Guard has
Speaker 1: been extended by you in Washington, d C. Can you
Speaker 1: explain what the Guard is doing in Washington, d C.
Speaker 1: Why was it extended and are they effective?
Speaker 2: Guard is in Washington, d C. You know, at the
Speaker 2: request of the Secretary of the Army, who you know,
Speaker 2: talk directly to me about it, we went out there.
Speaker 2: I went out there to visit the guard a while ago.
Speaker 2: Our guard and the head of the National Guard in Washington,
Speaker 2: d C. Came specifically knew I was going to be
Speaker 2: there and came to thank me. He said, if you,
Speaker 2: you and a couple other states went out here with
Speaker 2: the assignment we've been given, you know, our guys would
Speaker 2: be working in women would be working fifteen sixteen hours
Speaker 2: a day. So you know, we're backing up basically the police.
Speaker 3: Uh, you don't.
Speaker 2: We don't get involved in police work. But our people
Speaker 2: have a direct contact that they see something that they think,
Speaker 2: you know, needs police involvement, they directly contact the Washington
Speaker 2: d C. Police Department. So, uh, that's that's that's what
Speaker 2: we're doing.
Speaker 1: Politically, that's not popular among liberal circles. I guess they
Speaker 1: went the major cities to completely collapse. Are you catching
Speaker 1: flak from the left and the right for doing this?
Speaker 2: Well, I don't know, Bill, I mean, you can't you
Speaker 2: can't please everybody. I get that. I mean, Washington, d C.
Speaker 2: Is a different city. It's a different city because despite
Speaker 2: what you know from the mayor there may think or
Speaker 2: other you know, people may think, it still is the
Speaker 2: federal city. And you know, the President of the United
Speaker 2: States has significant authority there, as does the United States Congress,
Speaker 2: and so when they ask us to, you know, back
Speaker 2: them up, it's a it's a very very different thing
Speaker 2: than you know, if we're doing this in some other state,
Speaker 2: you know, in Ohio. UH. You know, we've some people
Speaker 2: have raised the issues, should you send the National Guard
Speaker 2: to clevelanders in the Cincinnati And our answer has been
Speaker 2: that that's you know, in Ohio at least, that's not
Speaker 2: our most effective tool to fight violent crime. You know,
Speaker 2: we're working with the Cincinnati Police Department, as you know,
Speaker 2: we're working with other cities UH and put basically a
Speaker 2: group together that involves our members of the Ohio State
Speaker 2: Highway Patrol UH, some of our liquor control people, some
Speaker 2: of our parole people, and we're able to really you know,
Speaker 2: make a difference working very very closely with the police
Speaker 2: departments of these various cities. So if you're going after
Speaker 2: violent specifically violent crime, you know, my judgment, government of
Speaker 2: the State of Ohio, it's best to deploy the groups
Speaker 2: that I just talked about instead of the National Guard.
Speaker 2: Now if you get you know, civil unrest and things
Speaker 2: like that. The George Floyd summer, you know, we did,
Speaker 2: at the request of local mayors, deploy the Guard for
Speaker 2: that purpose. So I think it's just you know, as
Speaker 2: far as I'm concerned, it's government of Ohio. What we
Speaker 2: deploy here in Ohio is going to be based on
Speaker 2: what the problem is. And when you're dealing with violent crime,
Speaker 2: you know, we're we're pretty darn sure that the best
Speaker 2: thing we can do is is, you know, have our
Speaker 2: police officers involved as well as the local police.
Speaker 1: Well, Governor, they we had seven people shot this month
Speaker 1: outside of a bar called The Privy, and I had
Speaker 1: on a business owner yesterday. You cannot I could send
Speaker 1: you the video, but you can imagine gunshots shutting down
Speaker 1: Elm Street, blocking that road. Happened last weekend. UH twrking loud,
Speaker 1: you seek open air drug use, fornication in public. This
Speaker 1: happens on Elm Street and some of the business owners
Speaker 1: there are gone half crazy, with the mayor and the
Speaker 1: city manager saying we need Can you imagine a city
Speaker 1: street in Cincinnati blocked on either end, drive by shootings, torking,
Speaker 1: simulated sex acts, drug use at two o'clock in the morning,
Speaker 1: almost every weekend. And the business owners and OTR said
Speaker 1: we can't take it anymore. And now Seth Walsh is
Speaker 1: telling some they're going to put a police sub station
Speaker 1: out in front of the Privy bar on Elm Street.
Speaker 3: I'm thinking, and.
Speaker 1: The lid's been kept on a little bit because you know,
Speaker 1: we put our best foot forward. But you can imagine
Speaker 1: living in OTR when you have those circumstances happening. And
Speaker 1: on Saturday night the Privy I'm looking at the circular
Speaker 1: the Tony Bender and my producer is thinking about attending it.
Speaker 1: Says here the Saturday, November twenty ninth, the Blackout third
Speaker 1: year anniversary, bring everybody with you. All hell's going to
Speaker 1: break loose on Elm Street and uh and I hope
Speaker 1: the city police and Adam Henny the the acting chief
Speaker 1: of police is a good man, he's respected.
Speaker 3: They never should have fired Thiji. That's a different matter.
Speaker 1: But nonetheless, we got problems and uh, and we need
Speaker 1: effective Look mainly you've been in the criminal justice system.
Speaker 1: We need judges who will sentence criminals to jail and
Speaker 1: not put them on these ankle monitors that are cut off.
Speaker 1: And no one's attending that either, and I hope that's
Speaker 1: not the situation.
Speaker 3: In other cities.
Speaker 2: Well, Bill, Bill, you're right. I mean when you look
Speaker 2: at you know, how do you fight violent crime? It
Speaker 2: obviously starts with citizens and starts with the police, but
Speaker 2: you know, it's also important for the judges, uh not
Speaker 2: to let these people out on low bond and you know,
Speaker 2: they're right back they're right back out. And the reality is,
Speaker 2: and you're not talked about this before, but there's a
Speaker 2: violent Uh. There's a relatively small number of people who
Speaker 2: commit most of the violent crime. And what we have
Speaker 2: to do is frankly, get rid of them and lock
Speaker 2: them up and keep them locked up. So, you know,
Speaker 2: judges play a roleness. And I'm not criticizing anybody, but
Speaker 2: judges play a roleness and they need they need to
Speaker 2: get tough with with with these individuals. So it's we
Speaker 2: just have to the reality is that you have a
Speaker 2: small number of people who just committing you know, the
Speaker 2: vast majority of this crime. And we did a study
Speaker 2: going back to the nineteen seventies and a good number
Speaker 2: of these people who you see that are committing these
Speaker 2: crimes have been arrested already on Toellny's five, six, seven, eight, Yeah,
Speaker 2: and and so you just you know, we just have
Speaker 2: to get serious about them. I mean, the most important
Speaker 2: function of government is.
Speaker 1: What protect protect safe, safe safety now and without that
Speaker 1: you got nothing. I just said on John Barrett saying
Speaker 1: the same thing that he's working with Procter and Gamble,
Speaker 1: Fifth Third Bank, Kroger to make sure through the city.
Speaker 1: But the city cops are telling me and articles written
Speaker 1: in the inquiry about this. They arrest and because of
Speaker 1: restorative justice principles, the perpetrators are on the street, but
Speaker 1: before the paperwork is done. And I don't know how
Speaker 1: from the governor, from the chief of Police and judges,
Speaker 1: we've changed fundamentally who the judges are in Hamleting County.
Speaker 1: And two or three more good ones just got thrown
Speaker 1: out of office earlier this month and be replaced by
Speaker 1: those who believe in no cash bonds. And I maybe
Speaker 1: Sharon Kennedy or somebody Chief Justice can do something. But
Speaker 1: you know, anyway, I got to move on to two
Speaker 1: other issues. One is gambling. I got gam gambling. I mean,
Speaker 1: you have a quote that provided to me by the
Speaker 1: newsroom that you wish you had not allowed gambling, casino gambling,
Speaker 1: sports betting in Ohio. Can you embellish on your thoughts
Speaker 1: about the mistake you claim you made on gambling?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I shouldn't as signed the bill. Let
Speaker 2: me go back a couple of things. One, we have
Speaker 2: made some progress on on in game betting. We worked
Speaker 2: with the Major League Commissioner, major League Baseball Commissioner and
Speaker 2: to you know, to ban what we call micro micro
Speaker 2: bets over two hundred dollars and so that's a big,
Speaker 2: big progress. Before that, you know, we had worked with
Speaker 2: the NCAA to ban prop bets on interclagiate sports and
Speaker 2: we were able to do that in Ohio. When I
Speaker 2: started hearing from coaches that you know, the gamblers were
Speaker 2: were just causing all kinds of problem with their players
Speaker 2: online and threatening them and doing all kinds of things
Speaker 2: like that. So we did that a couple of years ago.
Speaker 2: So we've made some progress. We've got to looking forward.
Speaker 2: We're working now with the NFL to try to get
Speaker 2: some of their prop bets banned, and we should have something,
Speaker 2: we hope in the next in the next several weeks
Speaker 2: on that. But in regard to overall sports gaming, the
Speaker 2: argument for it bill was, uh, many states are already
Speaker 2: doing We're already doing it. Uh. And it was pointed
Speaker 2: out that if you wanted to, and a lot of
Speaker 2: people were in Ohio, you could use your phone and
Speaker 2: go online and go offshore and basically illegally, but there
Speaker 2: was no way to really enforce it.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: I think what I did not fully understand was the
Speaker 2: massive amount of money once we legalized it in Ohio,
Speaker 2: the massive amount of money that the sports gaming companies
Speaker 2: would spend on advertising. You know, I watched the Reds.
Speaker 2: I watched the Reds almost every game on TV. If
Speaker 2: I'm not down in Cincinnati watching a game in person,
Speaker 2: and you know, it's right there in your face, it's
Speaker 2: right there in your face. They're telling you what the
Speaker 2: odds are for a certain player to do a certain thing,
Speaker 2: and it's bam, bam bam. And the same thing with
Speaker 2: any other support you're watching watch football today, whether it's Interclesiate,
Speaker 2: whether it's BRO, you're getting the same thing. The NBA,
Speaker 2: you're dotting the same thing. So they're spending, you know,
Speaker 2: hundreds of millions of dollars to advertise this, and the
Speaker 2: other thing is it bill. It's unlike most gaming that
Speaker 2: we're used to, where you know, okay, you want to
Speaker 2: a casino, Well you have to get in your car
Speaker 2: and you have to drive there, and you have to
Speaker 2: make a conscious effort to effort to do that. Now
Speaker 2: everybody's got a casino basically in their pocket with their phone.
Speaker 2: And what we're seeing is people from basically twenty one
Speaker 2: to forty, usually males, many of them are becoming addicted
Speaker 2: to this and losing a ton ton of money. So yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean, if I had to do it again, I
Speaker 2: wouldn't have signed it. Now you know, it may have
Speaker 2: been passed over my veto. Yeah, it would have been
Speaker 2: may become well anyway, But I would just ask the question, hey,
Speaker 2: why do you regret signing it? And I told the truth. Yeah,
Speaker 2: if I had to do it over again, I wouldn't.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't have signed it. But you know that's where
Speaker 2: we are.
Speaker 1: Wait about a minute remaining on that front. Representative Adam
Speaker 1: Byrd to Claremont County. I had him on a couple
Speaker 1: of days ago talking about Neil coming to high school.
Speaker 1: There's a high school quarterback who wants to get paid
Speaker 1: ten thousand dollars to play football for a high school
Speaker 1: and I'm thinking.
Speaker 3: Now, this is getting ridiculous.
Speaker 1: But the superintendents, by seventy five percent said yes, bring
Speaker 1: Neil to high school sports. Would you sign a bill
Speaker 1: passed by Adam Byrd and others and Speaker Huffman that
Speaker 1: would ban under eighteen year old kids in high school
Speaker 1: to benefit financially by playing quarterback or throwing a no hitter.
Speaker 2: W I don't know if there's going to be a
Speaker 2: bill or not, but I think it's kind of I
Speaker 2: think it's stupid. I think the problem bill is what
Speaker 2: will the courts do? I mean, you know, we got
Speaker 2: into this mess because the courts, uh, you know, based
Speaker 2: on their reading of the Constitution, said you can't deprive
Speaker 2: you know, a collegiate athlete of the ability to make
Speaker 2: money and sell and sell their services and so the
Speaker 2: court ruled that way. I think some people believe that
Speaker 2: a court would rule the same way in regard to
Speaker 2: high school students. So I think that's that's the biggest problem.
Speaker 2: But I think it's I think it's ridiculous.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm you on that, you know, crazy.
Speaker 1: I was told by a coach a kid wants ten
Speaker 1: thousand dollars to play quarterback. I'm going, what, okay, why
Speaker 1: not twenty thousand? All right, well, Mike, you and you
Speaker 1: MC governor, you and Francis. I didn't know it was
Speaker 1: Francis until I read the George Will call him. I
Speaker 1: called her frand you call her Francis Francis.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, when she and I first first met, you know,
Speaker 2: basically it was Francis. So I still kind of think
Speaker 2: of her as Francis, but I think most people probably
Speaker 2: know her his fran and we had a we had
Speaker 2: an interesting breakfast, as you say, with with with with
Speaker 2: yours Will, and you know he ended up writing writ
Speaker 2: in the column, So that was.
Speaker 3: It is what it is.
Speaker 2: Well, you and yours have a great Thanksgiving, Happy, happy Thanksgiving.
Speaker 1: Happy to you and yours, and let's keep it going.
Speaker 1: Just about all the problems we got. We live at
Speaker 1: the right time and the right city, and the right country,
Speaker 1: and the right state and the right part of the world.
Speaker 1: That the problems we have strength to insignificance compared to
Speaker 1: what's happening in Nigeria, for example, or what's happening to
Speaker 1: women in Afghanistan. What we're experiencing here is the first
Speaker 1: world problems. And Governor, you and yours, we.
Speaker 2: Have a lot to be thankful for. Bill. Actually right,
Speaker 2: that's a good You're a good lawyer, and that's a
Speaker 2: good closing argument. I think you're absolutely right.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Governor, God bless you. Let's continue more. As
Speaker 1: I said, I had more fun in the seventies when
Speaker 1: I was in my twenties than in the twenties. In
Speaker 1: my seventies, but I'm still still kicking it on news
Speaker 1: radio seven hundred ww