WEBVTT - 11-26-25 Willie with Mike DeWine

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<v Speaker 1>By Billy Cunningham, the Great American. First of all, Happy

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<v Speaker 1>Thanksgiving to all. And we heard from, of course CEO

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<v Speaker 1>John Ferret expressing Thanksgiving wishes to all in the tri State,

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<v Speaker 1>talking about the conditions of Cincinnati. Now, Joe and you

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<v Speaker 1>and I Now is the Governor of Ohio, Mike Dwine.

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<v Speaker 1>He is going to talk about the state of Ohio

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<v Speaker 1>and so much more. George Will loves Mike Dwine and

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<v Speaker 1>I love Mike DeWine, despite the protestations of some. I

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<v Speaker 1>love Mike DeWine. Governor Mike DeWine. Welcome again to the

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<v Speaker 1>Bill Cunningham Show. And first of all, what do you

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<v Speaker 1>and Fran do? How many coming over? How many pies?

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<v Speaker 1>How much gravy? What does it look like for tomorrow

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<v Speaker 1>for the Dwine clan?

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<v Speaker 2>A lot, a lot of good gravy, A lot of good,

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<v Speaker 2>good pies. That brand is making homemade pies. If you

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<v Speaker 2>want to come over, you and the judge want to

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<v Speaker 2>come over, you can do it, Billy, we want Nobody

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<v Speaker 2>will even know that you're not related. They'll just look

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<v Speaker 2>down the island, you know, look down the Oh that's

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<v Speaker 2>a cousin. That's a different cousin.

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<v Speaker 1>I got a classic photo of me, Penny, you and

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<v Speaker 1>my mother which is on my nightstand at home. You

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<v Speaker 1>might recall the late nineteen nineties, and I got a

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<v Speaker 1>great great Yeah, I was there and great. Well the

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<v Speaker 1>way we all looked a bit younger at that point, you.

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<v Speaker 2>Know, well, well, I guess that's right. So and answer

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<v Speaker 2>to your question, Fran tells me about forty five. So

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<v Speaker 2>this is this is immediate family. These are kids, grandkids

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<v Speaker 2>and their spouses and yeah, and one one great granddaughter.

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<v Speaker 2>So you know, all good, oh good.

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<v Speaker 1>A wise man told me that in the seventies and

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<v Speaker 1>when I when I was in my twenties, it was

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<v Speaker 1>much more fun than being in the twenties.

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<v Speaker 3>In my seventies, would you agree. I'm gonna try that

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<v Speaker 3>on me.

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<v Speaker 2>I've had fun, you know, my twenties, thirties, forties. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm now in my seventies, so yes, still having fun

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<v Speaker 2>and joined what I'm doing. And now we got you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I got a lot of grand kids, so that's great.

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<v Speaker 3>How many do you have? Do you know about how many?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, yes, we have twenty eight, twenty eight grandchildren. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it's good, very very blessed.

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<v Speaker 3>Enough this enough for this yes, let's get down to

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<v Speaker 3>the hard tax.

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<v Speaker 1>First of all, I see the Ohio National Guard has

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<v Speaker 1>been extended by you in Washington, d C. Can you

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<v Speaker 1>explain what the Guard is doing in Washington, d C.

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<v Speaker 1>Why was it extended and are they effective?

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<v Speaker 2>Guard is in Washington, d C. You know, at the

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<v Speaker 2>request of the Secretary of the Army, who you know,

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<v Speaker 2>talk directly to me about it, we went out there.

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<v Speaker 2>I went out there to visit the guard a while ago.

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<v Speaker 2>Our guard and the head of the National Guard in Washington,

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<v Speaker 2>d C. Came specifically knew I was going to be

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<v Speaker 2>there and came to thank me. He said, if you,

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<v Speaker 2>you and a couple other states went out here with

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<v Speaker 2>the assignment we've been given, you know, our guys would

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<v Speaker 2>be working in women would be working fifteen sixteen hours

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<v Speaker 2>a day. So you know, we're backing up basically the police.

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<v Speaker 3>Uh, you don't.

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<v Speaker 2>We don't get involved in police work. But our people

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<v Speaker 2>have a direct contact that they see something that they think,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, needs police involvement, they directly contact the Washington

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<v Speaker 2>d C. Police Department. So, uh, that's that's that's what

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<v Speaker 2>we're doing.

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<v Speaker 1>Politically, that's not popular among liberal circles. I guess they

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<v Speaker 1>went the major cities to completely collapse. Are you catching

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<v Speaker 1>flak from the left and the right for doing this?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I don't know, Bill, I mean, you can't you

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<v Speaker 2>can't please everybody. I get that. I mean, Washington, d C.

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<v Speaker 2>Is a different city. It's a different city because despite

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<v Speaker 2>what you know from the mayor there may think or

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<v Speaker 2>other you know, people may think, it still is the

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<v Speaker 2>federal city. And you know, the President of the United

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<v Speaker 2>States has significant authority there, as does the United States Congress,

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<v Speaker 2>and so when they ask us to, you know, back

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<v Speaker 2>them up, it's a it's a very very different thing

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<v Speaker 2>than you know, if we're doing this in some other state,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, in Ohio. UH. You know, we've some people

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<v Speaker 2>have raised the issues, should you send the National Guard

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<v Speaker 2>to clevelanders in the Cincinnati And our answer has been

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<v Speaker 2>that that's you know, in Ohio at least, that's not

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<v Speaker 2>our most effective tool to fight violent crime. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>we're working with the Cincinnati Police Department, as you know,

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<v Speaker 2>we're working with other cities UH and put basically a

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<v Speaker 2>group together that involves our members of the Ohio State

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<v Speaker 2>Highway Patrol UH, some of our liquor control people, some

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<v Speaker 2>of our parole people, and we're able to really you know,

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<v Speaker 2>make a difference working very very closely with the police

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<v Speaker 2>departments of these various cities. So if you're going after

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<v Speaker 2>violent specifically violent crime, you know, my judgment, government of

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<v Speaker 2>the State of Ohio, it's best to deploy the groups

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<v Speaker 2>that I just talked about instead of the National Guard.

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<v Speaker 2>Now if you get you know, civil unrest and things

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<v Speaker 2>like that. The George Floyd summer, you know, we did,

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<v Speaker 2>at the request of local mayors, deploy the Guard for

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<v Speaker 2>that purpose. So I think it's just you know, as

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<v Speaker 2>far as I'm concerned, it's government of Ohio. What we

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<v Speaker 2>deploy here in Ohio is going to be based on

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<v Speaker 2>what the problem is. And when you're dealing with violent crime,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, we're we're pretty darn sure that the best

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<v Speaker 2>thing we can do is is, you know, have our

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<v Speaker 2>police officers involved as well as the local police.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, Governor, they we had seven people shot this month

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<v Speaker 1>outside of a bar called The Privy, and I had

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<v Speaker 1>on a business owner yesterday. You cannot I could send

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<v Speaker 1>you the video, but you can imagine gunshots shutting down

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<v Speaker 1>Elm Street, blocking that road. Happened last weekend. UH twrking loud,

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<v Speaker 1>you seek open air drug use, fornication in public. This

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<v Speaker 1>happens on Elm Street and some of the business owners

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<v Speaker 1>there are gone half crazy, with the mayor and the

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<v Speaker 1>city manager saying we need Can you imagine a city

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<v Speaker 1>street in Cincinnati blocked on either end, drive by shootings, torking,

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<v Speaker 1>simulated sex acts, drug use at two o'clock in the morning,

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<v Speaker 1>almost every weekend. And the business owners and OTR said

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<v Speaker 1>we can't take it anymore. And now Seth Walsh is

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<v Speaker 1>telling some they're going to put a police sub station

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<v Speaker 1>out in front of the Privy bar on Elm Street.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm thinking, and.

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<v Speaker 1>The lid's been kept on a little bit because you know,

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<v Speaker 1>we put our best foot forward. But you can imagine

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<v Speaker 1>living in OTR when you have those circumstances happening. And

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<v Speaker 1>on Saturday night the Privy I'm looking at the circular

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<v Speaker 1>the Tony Bender and my producer is thinking about attending it.

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<v Speaker 1>Says here the Saturday, November twenty ninth, the Blackout third

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<v Speaker 1>year anniversary, bring everybody with you. All hell's going to

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<v Speaker 1>break loose on Elm Street and uh and I hope

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<v Speaker 1>the city police and Adam Henny the the acting chief

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<v Speaker 1>of police is a good man, he's respected.

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<v Speaker 3>They never should have fired Thiji. That's a different matter.

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<v Speaker 1>But nonetheless, we got problems and uh, and we need

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<v Speaker 1>effective Look mainly you've been in the criminal justice system.

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<v Speaker 1>We need judges who will sentence criminals to jail and

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<v Speaker 1>not put them on these ankle monitors that are cut off.

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<v Speaker 1>And no one's attending that either, and I hope that's

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<v Speaker 1>not the situation.

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<v Speaker 3>In other cities.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, Bill, Bill, you're right. I mean when you look

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<v Speaker 2>at you know, how do you fight violent crime? It

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<v Speaker 2>obviously starts with citizens and starts with the police, but

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<v Speaker 2>you know, it's also important for the judges, uh not

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<v Speaker 2>to let these people out on low bond and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>they're right back they're right back out. And the reality is,

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<v Speaker 2>and you're not talked about this before, but there's a

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<v Speaker 2>violent Uh. There's a relatively small number of people who

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<v Speaker 2>commit most of the violent crime. And what we have

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<v Speaker 2>to do is frankly, get rid of them and lock

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<v Speaker 2>them up and keep them locked up. So, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>judges play a roleness. And I'm not criticizing anybody, but

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<v Speaker 2>judges play a roleness and they need they need to

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<v Speaker 2>get tough with with with these individuals. So it's we

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<v Speaker 2>just have to the reality is that you have a

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<v Speaker 2>small number of people who just committing you know, the

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<v Speaker 2>vast majority of this crime. And we did a study

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<v Speaker 2>going back to the nineteen seventies and a good number

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<v Speaker 2>of these people who you see that are committing these

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<v Speaker 2>crimes have been arrested already on Toellny's five, six, seven, eight, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and and so you just you know, we just have

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<v Speaker 2>to get serious about them. I mean, the most important

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<v Speaker 2>function of government is.

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<v Speaker 1>What protect protect safe, safe safety now and without that

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<v Speaker 1>you got nothing. I just said on John Barrett saying

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<v Speaker 1>the same thing that he's working with Procter and Gamble,

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<v Speaker 1>Fifth Third Bank, Kroger to make sure through the city.

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<v Speaker 1>But the city cops are telling me and articles written

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<v Speaker 1>in the inquiry about this. They arrest and because of

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<v Speaker 1>restorative justice principles, the perpetrators are on the street, but

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<v Speaker 1>before the paperwork is done. And I don't know how

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<v Speaker 1>from the governor, from the chief of Police and judges,

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<v Speaker 1>we've changed fundamentally who the judges are in Hamleting County.

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<v Speaker 1>And two or three more good ones just got thrown

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<v Speaker 1>out of office earlier this month and be replaced by

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<v Speaker 1>those who believe in no cash bonds. And I maybe

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<v Speaker 1>Sharon Kennedy or somebody Chief Justice can do something. But

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<v Speaker 1>you know, anyway, I got to move on to two

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<v Speaker 1>other issues. One is gambling. I got gam gambling. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>you have a quote that provided to me by the

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<v Speaker 1>newsroom that you wish you had not allowed gambling, casino gambling,

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<v Speaker 1>sports betting in Ohio. Can you embellish on your thoughts

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<v Speaker 1>about the mistake you claim you made on gambling?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think I shouldn't as signed the bill. Let

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<v Speaker 2>me go back a couple of things. One, we have

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<v Speaker 2>made some progress on on in game betting. We worked

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<v Speaker 2>with the Major League Commissioner, major League Baseball Commissioner and

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<v Speaker 2>to you know, to ban what we call micro micro

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<v Speaker 2>bets over two hundred dollars and so that's a big,

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<v Speaker 2>big progress. Before that, you know, we had worked with

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<v Speaker 2>the NCAA to ban prop bets on interclagiate sports and

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<v Speaker 2>we were able to do that in Ohio. When I

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<v Speaker 2>started hearing from coaches that you know, the gamblers were

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<v Speaker 2>were just causing all kinds of problem with their players

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<v Speaker 2>online and threatening them and doing all kinds of things

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<v Speaker 2>like that. So we did that a couple of years ago.

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<v Speaker 2>So we've made some progress. We've got to looking forward.

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<v Speaker 2>We're working now with the NFL to try to get

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<v Speaker 2>some of their prop bets banned, and we should have something,

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<v Speaker 2>we hope in the next in the next several weeks

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<v Speaker 2>on that. But in regard to overall sports gaming, the

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<v Speaker 2>argument for it bill was, uh, many states are already

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<v Speaker 2>doing We're already doing it. Uh. And it was pointed

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<v Speaker 2>out that if you wanted to, and a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>people were in Ohio, you could use your phone and

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<v Speaker 2>go online and go offshore and basically illegally, but there

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<v Speaker 2>was no way to really enforce it.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>I think what I did not fully understand was the

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<v Speaker 2>massive amount of money once we legalized it in Ohio,

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<v Speaker 2>the massive amount of money that the sports gaming companies

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<v Speaker 2>would spend on advertising. You know, I watched the Reds.

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<v Speaker 2>I watched the Reds almost every game on TV. If

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not down in Cincinnati watching a game in person,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, it's right there in your face, it's

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<v Speaker 2>right there in your face. They're telling you what the

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<v Speaker 2>odds are for a certain player to do a certain thing,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's bam, bam bam. And the same thing with

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<v Speaker 2>any other support you're watching watch football today, whether it's Interclesiate,

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<v Speaker 2>whether it's BRO, you're getting the same thing. The NBA,

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<v Speaker 2>you're dotting the same thing. So they're spending, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>hundreds of millions of dollars to advertise this, and the

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<v Speaker 2>other thing is it bill. It's unlike most gaming that

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<v Speaker 2>we're used to, where you know, okay, you want to

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<v Speaker 2>a casino, Well you have to get in your car

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<v Speaker 2>and you have to drive there, and you have to

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<v Speaker 2>make a conscious effort to effort to do that. Now

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<v Speaker 2>everybody's got a casino basically in their pocket with their phone.

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<v Speaker 2>And what we're seeing is people from basically twenty one

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<v Speaker 2>to forty, usually males, many of them are becoming addicted

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<v Speaker 2>to this and losing a ton ton of money. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, if I had to do it again, I

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<v Speaker 2>wouldn't have signed it. Now you know, it may have

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<v Speaker 2>been passed over my veto. Yeah, it would have been

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<v Speaker 2>may become well anyway, But I would just ask the question, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>why do you regret signing it? And I told the truth. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>if I had to do it over again, I wouldn't.

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<v Speaker 2>I wouldn't have signed it. But you know that's where

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<v Speaker 2>we are.

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<v Speaker 1>Wait about a minute remaining on that front. Representative Adam

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<v Speaker 1>Byrd to Claremont County. I had him on a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of days ago talking about Neil coming to high school.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a high school quarterback who wants to get paid

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<v Speaker 1>ten thousand dollars to play football for a high school

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm thinking.

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<v Speaker 3>Now, this is getting ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 1>But the superintendents, by seventy five percent said yes, bring

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<v Speaker 1>Neil to high school sports. Would you sign a bill

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<v Speaker 1>passed by Adam Byrd and others and Speaker Huffman that

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<v Speaker 1>would ban under eighteen year old kids in high school

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<v Speaker 1>to benefit financially by playing quarterback or throwing a no hitter.

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<v Speaker 2>W I don't know if there's going to be a

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<v Speaker 2>bill or not, but I think it's kind of I

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<v Speaker 2>think it's stupid. I think the problem bill is what

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<v Speaker 2>will the courts do? I mean, you know, we got

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<v Speaker 2>into this mess because the courts, uh, you know, based

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<v Speaker 2>on their reading of the Constitution, said you can't deprive

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<v Speaker 2>you know, a collegiate athlete of the ability to make

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<v Speaker 2>money and sell and sell their services and so the

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<v Speaker 2>court ruled that way. I think some people believe that

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<v Speaker 2>a court would rule the same way in regard to

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<v Speaker 2>high school students. So I think that's that's the biggest problem.

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<v Speaker 2>But I think it's I think it's ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I'm you on that, you know, crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>I was told by a coach a kid wants ten

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<v Speaker 1>thousand dollars to play quarterback. I'm going, what, okay, why

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<v Speaker 1>not twenty thousand? All right, well, Mike, you and you

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<v Speaker 1>MC governor, you and Francis. I didn't know it was

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<v Speaker 1>Francis until I read the George Will call him. I

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<v Speaker 1>called her frand you call her Francis Francis.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, when she and I first first met, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>basically it was Francis. So I still kind of think

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<v Speaker 2>of her as Francis, but I think most people probably

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<v Speaker 2>know her his fran and we had a we had

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<v Speaker 2>an interesting breakfast, as you say, with with with with

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<v Speaker 2>yours Will, and you know he ended up writing writ

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<v Speaker 2>in the column, So that was.

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<v Speaker 3>It is what it is.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you and yours have a great Thanksgiving, Happy, happy Thanksgiving.

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<v Speaker 1>Happy to you and yours, and let's keep it going.

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<v Speaker 1>Just about all the problems we got. We live at

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<v Speaker 1>the right time and the right city, and the right country,

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<v Speaker 1>and the right state and the right part of the world.

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<v Speaker 1>That the problems we have strength to insignificance compared to

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<v Speaker 1>what's happening in Nigeria, for example, or what's happening to

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<v Speaker 1>women in Afghanistan. What we're experiencing here is the first

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<v Speaker 1>world problems. And Governor, you and yours, we.

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<v Speaker 2>Have a lot to be thankful for. Bill. Actually right,

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<v Speaker 2>that's a good You're a good lawyer, and that's a

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<v Speaker 2>good closing argument. I think you're absolutely right.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you, Governor, God bless you. Let's continue more. As

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<v Speaker 1>I said, I had more fun in the seventies when

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<v Speaker 1>I was in my twenties than in the twenties. In

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<v Speaker 1>my seventies, but I'm still still kicking it on news

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<v Speaker 1>radio seven hundred ww