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Speaker 1: Jimmy Sangenberger here with you on this holiday week filling

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Speaker 1: in for Michael Brown. Thanks so much for joining us

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Speaker 1: being a part of the festivities. You know, I'm here

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Speaker 1: today and tomorrow. We've got a special Christmas theme show

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Speaker 1: coming up tomorrow. But today is Monday, with plenty of

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Speaker 1: news and so much that has been going on in

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Speaker 1: the world just over this weekend, in fact, and we

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Speaker 1: will get to the question of whether or not Colorado

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Speaker 1: is being retaliated against with the decision to withhold federal

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Speaker 1: funds and not allow for a disaster declaration for fires

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Speaker 1: this fall. But a lot of this also connects to

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Speaker 1: Excel's blockouts, which quite frankly show that it is behind

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Speaker 1: the times, that Excel Energy is behind the times. As

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Speaker 1: I wrote in my column for the Denver Gazette on Friday,

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Speaker 1: I was noticing something. So I live in Douglas County,

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Speaker 1: so I'm not was not in the area affected by

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Speaker 1: these shutoffs, but I did briefly have to go with

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Speaker 1: my fiance into Golden on Thursday night when all the

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Speaker 1: lights were off. It was like going into a ghost

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Speaker 1: town and realizing how hard hit families are in that

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Speaker 1: situation and were was a real wake up call for me.

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Speaker 1: And when my column went to print, rather it was

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Speaker 1: Wednesday night, and when my column went to print on Friday,

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Speaker 1: it was somewhat influenced by that notion of this is.

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Speaker 2: The impact that people are having.

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Speaker 1: And my fiance's work has been was down for days

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Speaker 1: because it's in Golden and the power was out. The

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Speaker 1: amount of spoiled food in the refrigerator at her office,

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Speaker 1: let me tell you, it's astonishing. But that's what families

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Speaker 1: have been dealing with too. If you have been had

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Speaker 1: been suffering through the shutoffs, or maybe you still are,

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Speaker 1: as I understand, there's still what about a thousand people

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Speaker 1: without power.

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Speaker 2: God bless you, and I wish you the best of luck.

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Speaker 1: Unfortunately, for everybody in this state, I have a warning

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Speaker 1: to give you, which is brace yourselves, because if things

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Speaker 1: continue along the trajectory that they are right now, things

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Speaker 1: are going to become well, these are going to become

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Speaker 1: more and more routine. In fact, this whole process of

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Speaker 1: excel energies, planned public safety powers shut down, of course,

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Speaker 1: the triggered for these winds. But I would not necessarily

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Speaker 1: say by these winds, insofar as there are more explanations

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Speaker 1: behind the scenes for what would bring about this particular response,

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Speaker 1: But we had some one hundred thousand people adversely affected

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Speaker 1: by all of this. Employees sent home, losing hours, businesses

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Speaker 1: shut down, losing customers. Think of all the kids who

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Speaker 1: lost out in their few last few days of the semester,

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Speaker 1: which you know, probably a lot of the kids are like, hey,

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Speaker 1: more school vacations already going on.

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Speaker 2: It's just like camping now to start it.

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Speaker 1: But the fact is that while a kid might be

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Speaker 1: happy to have some extra days of Christmas vacation, it

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Speaker 1: doesn't mean that there's not a loss there because they're

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Speaker 1: not getting the education that is due to them lost

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Speaker 1: classroom time, all the spoiled food, on and on it goes.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 2: Excel In the government like.

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Speaker 1: To say that it is all an inconvenience. Of course

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Speaker 1: that's an understatement because we've noticed the real world harms

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Speaker 1: that Colorados have endured, especially think about the low income families.

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Speaker 1: I had folks who were reading my column who were

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Speaker 1: reaching out to me saying, Hey, I've got my eighty

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Speaker 1: five year old father whose powers out and they have

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Speaker 1: oxygen and this and that and all of these concerns

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Speaker 1: for people who have been dealing with this, and then,

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Speaker 1: on top of it all, excels not reimbursing people unless

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Speaker 1: something has changed. EXCEL is not reimbursing people for ruined

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Speaker 1: groceries for their lost wages. And it's Christmas time, so

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Speaker 1: people have been spending money on Christmas gifts, eating up

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Speaker 1: their holiday budgets.

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Speaker 2: It's not like a lot of folks can just go out.

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Speaker 1: Actually, if you're lower middle income, you've out your budgets

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Speaker 1: for Christmas time, maybe overextended yourself a little bit, and

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Speaker 1: you didn't have a backup charger. A lot of people

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Speaker 1: can't just go to the store and buy a backup

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Speaker 1: charger for their phone, let alone another device like your

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Speaker 1: computer or a gas powered generator. Now, the threat of wildfire,

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Speaker 1: of course, though, is the understandable reason for what went

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Speaker 1: on here. We know about the Marshall fire. We saw

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Speaker 1: that you may have endured that. If you're listening now,

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Speaker 1: you may have lost your homes or no friends who've

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Speaker 1: lost their homes or had other tragedies as a result

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Speaker 1: of the Marshall fire. In fact, it's probably hard to

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Speaker 1: find people who don't know somebody who was affected directly

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Speaker 1: by that fire. And lost something by that fire. Now,

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Speaker 1: of course, remember it was at the Twelve Tribe site

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Speaker 1: amid extremely dry conditions that the first or that the

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Speaker 1: fire started. And then when you had the Excel spark

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Speaker 1: that added to the pre existing of fire.

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Speaker 2: Now that brought about a heck of.

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Speaker 1: A lot of lawsuits Boulder County Superior, Lewisville, the company settled,

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Speaker 1: paying out millions of dollars. And so the response is

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Speaker 1: this PSPs public safety power shutoffs. That's, of course the

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Speaker 1: safety mechanism to reduce wildfire risk by cutting weather conditions.

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Speaker 2: We've seen this in California.

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Speaker 1: PSPs is not a last resort any longer, but it's

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Speaker 1: a standard fire season practice. So I was wondering the

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Speaker 1: question is this going to continue in Colorado. Excel would

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Speaker 1: never admit it, but I would say yes, absolutely, And

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Speaker 1: and this is much more about dollars, cents and liability

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Speaker 1: as it is about public safety, if not more. In fact,

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Speaker 1: you can go to Longmont. Longmont Power and Communications contracts

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Speaker 1: year round with a tree trimming company so they can

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Speaker 1: minimize vegetation that damages power lines, so they can clean

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Speaker 1: up some of the fuel for the fires. They've started

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Speaker 1: moving electrical lines underground as opposed to being above ground,

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Speaker 1: which some would say is sort of the gold standard.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 2: I remember I'm a big fan.

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Speaker 1: Obviously of the Blues, but Joe Bonamas is one of

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Speaker 1: my favorites, and I remember after the Los Angeles fires

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Speaker 1: last year, he went on a chair on social media

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Speaker 1: about how reckless and irresponsible LA was for not doing

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Speaker 1: more proactively to bring those power line underground.

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Speaker 2: And he was absolutely right, and it's.

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Speaker 1: Something he said, I've been telling people, and we need

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Speaker 1: to do this for years, and nobody is listening in

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Speaker 1: the incompetent city of Los Angeles. The fact of the

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Speaker 1: matter is that these investments really matter. Long Moted Lions

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Speaker 1: didn't need to shut off electricity last week, largely because

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Speaker 1: of their enhanced power line safety settings that automatically cut

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Speaker 1: off power lines a power line when a fault is detected,

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Speaker 1: and most cases that's all it should take. But when

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Speaker 1: they do a shut off like this, the big problem

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Speaker 1: is how long it takes to get it back on.

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Speaker 1: You got to inspect every foot of the line before

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Speaker 1: restoring power. That can take forty eight to seventy two hours,

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Speaker 1: even longer, as some folks have been dealing with You

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Speaker 1: need modern solutions, Otherwise shut offs can make the solution

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Speaker 1: worse than the problem. Frankly, Excel Energy is behind the time,

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Speaker 1: but we are in for more of this.

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Speaker 2: I want to go. It was really interesting.

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Speaker 1: On Friday to see this clip from Phil Wiser. Of course,

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Speaker 1: he's our current attorney general running for attorney running for

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Speaker 1: governor now to replace Jared Polis, and he had this

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Speaker 1: to say on Friday about the Excel shutoffs across Colorado.

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Speaker 4: Right now, people don't have power. Excel shutoffs shouldn't be

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Speaker 4: this way. People have gone days now, Businesses are hurting,

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Speaker 4: people don't understand.

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Speaker 2: We've got to do better. As governor, I'm going to

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Speaker 2: make sure're.

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Speaker 4: On top of this issue, building resilience, getting out ahead

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Speaker 4: of these issues, helping protect Colorado. We need to make

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Speaker 4: sure people are safe, We need to make sure business

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Speaker 4: can stay open. We need to make sure that everyone

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Speaker 4: knows what's going on. As your governor, always put you first.

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Speaker 1: So my question too, they want to be governor or

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Speaker 1: Phil Wiser, and I retweeted this on AX.

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Speaker 2: And I pose this question is does this.

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Speaker 1: Mean you are going to oppose the electrification agenda? Phil Wiser?

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Speaker 1: Of course they never got a response on social media.

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Speaker 1: Not that I expected that, and I didn't ask him

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Speaker 1: the question. It was more of a rhetorical question that

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Speaker 1: didn't ask him directly. I might, but the point is

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Speaker 1: not in so far as what the silence might.

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Speaker 2: Be, but that the problem.

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Speaker 1: The root problem here is the electrification agenda.

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Speaker 2: The company has not.

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Speaker 1: Excel Energy has not sufficiently hardened its electric grid against

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Speaker 1: known risks. Its potential liability exposure outweighs the cost of outages,

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Speaker 1: so regulators are all too willing to accept that trade

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Speaker 1: off for the monopoly utility. Remember, Energy has a grant

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Speaker 1: of monopoly from the government, and regulators will prefer blackouts

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Speaker 1: no matter the social or economic fallout.

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Speaker 2: Now you can look at long Mind.

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Speaker 1: It's a municipal owned utility, so one might say, well,

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Speaker 1: oh wait a second, the answer is to nationalize or

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Speaker 1: to make its state owned.

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Speaker 2: Right have Excel be state owned.

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Speaker 1: But this gets to my question to Phil Wiser, because

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Speaker 1: this is not about Excel being a private, shareholder bound

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Speaker 1: company and Longmand's utility being municipally owned.

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Speaker 2: Excel is extraordinarily regulated.

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Speaker 1: Again, operating as a guaranteed government monopoly. They have to

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Speaker 1: seek approval from the Public Utilities Commission, including just last

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Speaker 1: week they got approval to invest over a billion dollars

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Speaker 1: in grid upgrades, and the approval was only granted on

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Speaker 1: last Monday. It's expensive to put utilities or power lines underground,

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Speaker 1: but it is the responsibility of the utility to look

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Speaker 1: at that and other measures. But the problem is that

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Speaker 1: Colorado's regulatory focuses aren't on hardening the electrical grid against

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Speaker 1: wildfire and wind.

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Speaker 2: It's on electrification.

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Speaker 1: We want all these electric vehicles and trucks and electric

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Speaker 1: homes and electric appliances.

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Speaker 2: No more gas.

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Speaker 1: Stoves to cook your soup, by the way, when the

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Speaker 1: power is out for days. So electricity demand is growing,

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Speaker 1: but regulators have said, for example, in Pueblo, the Kamanchi

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Speaker 1: station had three different coal fired plants. One of them

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Speaker 1: is already down, Komanchi one, Kamanchi two was supposed to

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Speaker 1: be discontinued retired next year, but there are extending out

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Speaker 1: the life by a year because and this is apt

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Speaker 1: the governor's request. For example, because Kamanchi three, which is

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Speaker 1: scheduled for shutdown in twenty thirty, is already down right

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Speaker 1: now for repairs. So they don't have both to shut

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Speaker 1: down the one so they need the other in order

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Speaker 1: to keep things going. But the target is in twenty

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Speaker 1: thirty to make it permanently offline. Both of those a

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Speaker 1: massive twelve billion dollar boondoggle to meet the state's extraordinary

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Speaker 1: greenhouse gas emission mandates for state utilities. As Colorado shrinks

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Speaker 1: reliable energy sources by government debt, electricity demand is going

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Speaker 1: to continue increasing with the population. Meanwhile, Excel is putting

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Speaker 1: its money into meeting electrification because that is the priority

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Speaker 1: of the state. By twenty fifty, they now want to

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Speaker 1: have one hundred percent reduction in greenhouse gas emissions in

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Speaker 1: the state of Colorado.

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Speaker 2: It is insane.

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Speaker 1: Excel Energy, pushed by its government enforcers, is willfully disregarding

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Speaker 1: the actual harm from actions meant to advance a political agenda.

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Speaker 1: And let's be real here, the agenda is not safety

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Speaker 1: or reliability.

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Speaker 2: It is electrification. So get ready for more shutoffs.

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Speaker 1: They are about to become routine because the state's priorities

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Speaker 1: don't align with your priority of getting by day to day,

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Speaker 1: of being able to heat your home in the winter

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Speaker 1: whenever we finally really get winter here in Colorado, or

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Speaker 1: your work, your home for electronics, you name it. This

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Speaker 1: is an extreme, extreme agenda. Now on the Gazette, John

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Speaker 1: had something happened to him that are tied to the

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Speaker 1: Clinton's over the years.

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Speaker 2: But look, I think we need to.

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Speaker 1: Be very careful about getting so deep into conspiracy land

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Speaker 1: on these kinds of things and try and live a

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Speaker 1: little bit within reality and what we can be provided.

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Speaker 1: It's hard to do, but I get what you're saying,

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Speaker 1: but I'm not going to play that game. I'm Jimmy

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Speaker 1: Sangenberger in for Michael Brown, our number one spent on bye.

448
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Speaker 1: We got two more up ahead as we continue on KOA.

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Speaker 1: Jimmy's sanging Berger here with you in for Michael Brown.

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Speaker 2: With just a few days to.

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Speaker 1: Go until Christmas, if you can believe it, and we

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Speaker 1: will have an exclusive conversation with Santa Claus tomorrow on

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Speaker 1: the show.

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Speaker 2: By the way, that'll be a lot of fun.

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Speaker 1: I hear there's some issues in Shenanigan's going on at

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Speaker 1: the North Pole. We're going to get to the bottom

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Speaker 1: of that with mister Clause on the program then. But

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Speaker 1: today we've got a couple of guests, and my first

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Speaker 1: one of the show is a journalist, an independent writer

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Speaker 1: for at the Club twenty Foundation with a fascinating piece

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Speaker 1: entitled the Apples to Apples Energy Problem at Club twenty

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Speaker 1: Foundation dot Org. Lyndy Browning, veteran journalist extraordinary, joins me

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Speaker 1: here on KOA.

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Speaker 2: Good morning, Lindy, and Merry Christmas.

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Speaker 3: Merry Christmas, Jimmy, how are you. I am doing.

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Speaker 1: Pretty darn well, trying to get in the holiday spirit.

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Speaker 1: But at least here in the Denver area, you know,

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Speaker 1: it's in the mid to high sixties. I think we're

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Speaker 1: getting easter weather on Christmas.

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Speaker 2: It's kind of crazy. Now you're the Western slope. What's

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Speaker 2: it like there?

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Speaker 3: You know, it's sunny and beautiful rather easterlike here too.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Eastern for Christmas.

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Speaker 2: I mean that's the kind of weather. I want that,

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Speaker 2: but I want snow.

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Speaker 1: I've dreaming of a white Christmas and there ain't no

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Speaker 1: way we're going to get that. No.

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Speaker 3: Maybe a little rain on Christmas Day, but that's about it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, unfortunately.

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Speaker 1: But you know what we definitely need on Christmas Day

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Speaker 1: is energy. Everybody needs their home to be powered, to

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Speaker 1: not have them shut down, and particularly not have the

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Speaker 1: all knowing, all powerful government at the state level impede

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Speaker 1: on energy production. And yet, and this is a big

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Speaker 1: thing that you're touching on, and you've got a series

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Speaker 1: you're writing as well on the energy issues.

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Speaker 2: That's what we're.

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Speaker 1: Seeing so much at the state Capitol. Before we get

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Speaker 1: into some of the things you're talking about in your piece,

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Speaker 1: let's set the stage for a moment when it comes

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Speaker 1: to interference at the state capitol on the Western Slope

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Speaker 1: and other rural areas that quite frankly, for one hundred

493
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Speaker 1: years or more, have been in the business of creating energy.

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Speaker 1: Why should we not be letting those communities, pardon the

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Speaker 1: pund lead the charge when it comes to powering Colorado running.

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Speaker 3: Well, what I will say.

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Speaker 2: Is rural Colorado.

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Speaker 3: Has been providing, like you said, energy for not only

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Speaker 3: the state of Colorado, but the nation we our people

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Speaker 3: have developed coal, we have the eurovin uh energy belt, uranium,

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Speaker 3: natural gas, We've got oil, we've got hydro, we got wind,

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Speaker 3: we've got solar, we got we We've been doing this

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Speaker 3: for a really long time. On the Western Slope, we

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Speaker 3: are not in the fight. We are the fighters to

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Speaker 3: bring energy independence right and and and effects our land,

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Speaker 3: the landscape we live on. It affects our economies. It

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Speaker 3: is our life blot. And so to have the governor's

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Speaker 3: top down energy clean energy mandatesn't really He did this

509
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Speaker 3: great mandate, and we all want clean air and water,

510
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Speaker 3: but what he didn't do was an interim plan of

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Speaker 3: how we're going to replace the retiring fossil fuels, right,

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Speaker 3: and so that leaves a big gap in the local

513
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Speaker 3: economies in energy to your home. It's just it's really

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Speaker 3: frustrating because those of us on the Western Slopes that

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Speaker 3: have been in the industry for so long, we're just

516
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Speaker 3: not part of the conversation. There's there's top level decisions.

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Speaker 3: We have political appointees and commissions that are making decisions

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Speaker 3: without really looking at all of the above, let alone

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Speaker 3: the best of the above.

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Speaker 1: Well, is the difference, Yes, absolutely one of the things

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Speaker 1: that stands out to me, and I talked about this

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Speaker 1: earlier on the program, is just as an example down

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Speaker 1: in Pueblou, and I know there's a similar thing in

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Speaker 1: Craig with the coal fired plant in Pueblo. Excel Energy

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Speaker 1: has their Komanchi station where they have shut down already,

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Speaker 1: Komanchi one one of their plants. Then they have two

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Speaker 1: number two and number three that are set to retire

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Speaker 1: by force because the government and it's infinite wisdom has said,

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Speaker 1: we don't need your stinking, dirty cold, so we're gonna

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Speaker 1: get rid of it.

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Speaker 2: Well, the number.

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Speaker 1: Two was supposed to shut down next year, but they've

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Speaker 1: been forced to extend it for a year because number

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Speaker 1: three is down for repairs. Now. Number three is supposed

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Speaker 1: to be retired in twenty thirty. Shouldn't this be a

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Speaker 1: sign that maybe this isn't the way to go, And

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Speaker 1: especially when it's top down from the state headquarters in

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Speaker 1: Denver telling Pueblo or telling Grand Junction how they're supposed

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Speaker 1: to do things.

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Speaker 3: Lindy, you know what it really is. Not only is

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Speaker 3: it like a big sign, it's a glaring, flashing kneon

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Speaker 3: sign saying hey, you know we're gonna mandate Queen energy,

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Speaker 3: but we don't have enough. And so when you think

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Speaker 3: about the footprint of what it would take for windmills

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Speaker 3: and solar, which there's a place for that, and there is,

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Speaker 3: and I'm not advocating against it, but when you when

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Speaker 3: you when you look at the footprint to be able

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Speaker 3: to generate the energy that commands you too is put

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Speaker 3: Now you need hundreds of thousands of acres of solar farms.

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Speaker 3: Who who does that affect? That affects the local communities

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Speaker 3: if this goes on their landscape, maybe that's not what

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00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:50,120
Speaker 3: they want to do with vast swaths of their land.

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Speaker 3: Maybe they want to farm it, maybe they want to

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Speaker 3: ranch it. Maybe maybe they would prefer something along the

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Speaker 3: lines of advanced nuclear. I don't know, but those are

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Speaker 3: the questions that need to be apked.

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Speaker 1: We're talking with Lindy Browning, journalists at the Club at

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Speaker 1: twenty Foundation, and you have a piece out this weekend

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Speaker 1: entitled the Apples to Apples energy Problem. And one of

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Speaker 1: the things that I hadn't really thought about is you say,

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Speaker 1: we've been trying this is with different energy sources. We've

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Speaker 1: been trying to compare apples to oranges and sometimes pineapples

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Speaker 1: without a shared scale. Talk to us about what you

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Speaker 1: mean here, why do we not have well, first of all,

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Speaker 1: what is an apples and apples comparison and energy as

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Speaker 1: you're writing about it, and why don't we have that?

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Speaker 3: So I think we have a lot of great studies

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Speaker 3: from each of the industry specifics that we have great

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Speaker 3: studies from natal gas that talk about the longevity, the cost,

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Speaker 3: the return, the economics to the community where it's being developed.

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Speaker 3: We have this same with wind, we have the same

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Speaker 3: with solar, we have the same with coal. But the

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Speaker 3: way those things are measured is different in each industry.

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Speaker 3: And there's really nobody, nobody that I have found and

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Speaker 3: I've looked that's like, well, wait a minute. So renewables

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Speaker 3: are subsidized by the taxpayers, which is fine if that's

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Speaker 3: what people want to do, And so those calls aren't

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Speaker 3: aren't built in transparently because we don't talk about that,

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Speaker 3: We don't talk about and analyzed side by side. So

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Speaker 3: when this energy source, so wind turbines only last for

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Speaker 3: so long, solar only lasts for so long, and then

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Speaker 3: you have to start replacing it. Oil wells run dry

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Speaker 3: gas loads run dry. Where is a baseline comparison for cost, longevity, reclamation,

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Speaker 3: community benefit in the communities where these activities happen on

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Speaker 3: the landscape. No one that I'm aware of is doing

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Speaker 3: a complete and thorough analysis like that where people where lawmakers,

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Speaker 3: local lawmakers, local utilities, local residents that count on that

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Speaker 3: tax base to be part of their economy. Those people

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Speaker 3: would really like to have those answers and they could

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Speaker 3: make better decisions for the constituencies if they had a

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Speaker 3: true apples to apples comparisons.

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Speaker 2: And I want to jump I want to jump in,

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Speaker 2: Lindy real quick.

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Speaker 1: I want to jump in and just underscore, especially from

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Speaker 1: your perspective in the Western Slope and really understanding these

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Speaker 1: energy issues well, particularly from your journalistic background and more,

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Speaker 1: why is that so important? Like underscore put a pin

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Speaker 1: on that point point as to why it is essential,

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Speaker 1: especially in this moment when we have the governor's clean

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Speaker 1: power plans and so forth, getting to one hundred percent

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Speaker 1: reduction and renewable energy by twenty fifty and absolutely acidie

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Speaker 1: and insane objective, but nevertheless that's what it is, especially

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Speaker 1: with that context. Why is it so critical to be

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Speaker 1: able to make apples to apples comparisons among these different

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Speaker 1: forms of energy or sources of energy.

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Speaker 3: So part of the answer to that is the local economy.

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Speaker 3: When you're talking about fossil fuels, whether it's coal, oil,

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Speaker 3: or gas, those companies and those producers pay what is

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Speaker 3: called the severance taps. Wind and solar is exempt from

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Speaker 3: a severance tap, So that's revenue that the companies pay,

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Speaker 3: and then that money's supposed to come back to the

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Speaker 3: community where the development occurs, and in the past it

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Speaker 3: was for things like Theederadge rebuilt an entire water line,

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Speaker 3: Colbron built a hospital. Multiple communities on the Western Slope

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Speaker 3: built libraries, fund ambulance districts, and meet the needs in

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Speaker 3: the communities right so that severance tax isn't charged on renewables.

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Speaker 3: Instead the taxpayers are subsidizing it. So it's easy to

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Speaker 3: see how that impacts local economies. But from the lawmaker's perspective,

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Speaker 3: people that are trying to permit things and build things

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Speaker 3: in their own communities to generate on the Western Slope,

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Speaker 3: where we've done this for hundreds of years, we need

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Speaker 3: long term stability on those economics, and we need to

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Speaker 3: understand who's going to be responsible when it's time to

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Speaker 3: do reclamation. What's that going to cost? What's that going

625
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Speaker 3: to cost our county? What's that going to cost our taxpayers?

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Speaker 3: How much land do we want to take out of

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Speaker 3: farming and food produce for solar farms? How is it

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Speaker 3: impacting our big game migration with wind? And I mean,

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Speaker 3: how are all these And it's not that anyone is bad,

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Speaker 3: it's just we need those answers. And is there a

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Speaker 3: best of the above choice rather than an all of

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Speaker 3: the above choice? All of the above is really to me,

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Speaker 3: a politician's way of just not offending anybody when they

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Speaker 3: say in their campaigns what we are for all of

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Speaker 3: the above, Well, that doesn't that's not a plan. This

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00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:41,480
Speaker 3: is a box checking exercise. What we really want is leadership.

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Speaker 3: That's ask the questions and demands the answers in an

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00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:50,720
Speaker 3: apples to apples comparison. What is the best of the above,

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Speaker 3: and how are we engaging the local stakeholders that do

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00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:59,760
Speaker 3: this and do it better than anybody? That's the difference.

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Speaker 3: Is that making sense to here? Answer your question? To me?

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Speaker 1: It does, Although I would ask this Lindy Browning, who

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Speaker 1: just got a couple of minutes left with you. So

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Speaker 1: I am a big proponent of limited government, which means

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Speaker 1: I want to unshackle deregulate all forms of energy. I

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00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:22,200
Speaker 1: don't believe that government should be providing unnecessary and there

647
00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:27,360
Speaker 1: are some necessary impediments, but unnecessary impediments to various forms

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Speaker 1: of energy. A big fan and you and I have

649
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Speaker 1: talked about this a lot of the new modular form

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Speaker 1: of nuclear energy and enabling that to be more unleased,

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Speaker 1: oil and gas, allow wind, solar. When it comes to

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Speaker 1: all of the above, for me, it's not let's have

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Speaker 1: government go in and micromanage things to advantage one or

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Speaker 1: the other, or claim to be advantaging nobody and just

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Speaker 1: trying to micromanage a.

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Speaker 2: Way to get to all of the above.

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Speaker 1: But it's let's pull back on government interference period in

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Speaker 1: all these forms of energy and let the market work.

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Speaker 2: What do you say to that sort of all of

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Speaker 2: the abovement?

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Speaker 3: What I would say to that, Jimmy, is I think

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Speaker 3: that it's been a false narrative, and I think the

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Speaker 3: government picking winners and losers. All of these energy sources

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Speaker 3: should be brought to bear, none none more regulated and

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Speaker 3: disincentivized than the other. Right, I think that there should

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Speaker 3: be a level playing for exactly and let the.

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Speaker 2: Market drive that.

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Speaker 3: Because with the rise of AI and data centers and

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Speaker 3: the ever increasing demand on energy, I don't think that

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Speaker 3: as Americans we want to politically disenfranchise any energy resource, right.

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Speaker 3: I think that there's a lot of things that can

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Speaker 3: work together as teams. So maybe we want, maybe we

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Speaker 3: want a little of what works in each area to

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Speaker 3: have to be used on a free market. To do that,

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Speaker 3: you don't want to say, well, over here you're going

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Speaker 3: to have nuclear, and over here you're gonna have coal,

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Speaker 3: and over there. We want teams fossil fuels, advanced nuclear,

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Speaker 3: color and wind where it makes sense, hydropower may it

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Speaker 3: makes sense, biomass where it makes sense. We want Western

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Speaker 3: color well, not only only Western Colorado, but certainly we

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Speaker 3: know this because we've done it forever, but but really

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Speaker 3: all of America, all rural parts of America. Why not

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Speaker 3: develop what we have and what the community is willing

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Speaker 3: to support everywhere. It's our national independence, of our national

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Speaker 3: security and lippon and a cost down.

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Speaker 1: And then that's why we need those apples to apples comparisons.

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Speaker 2: I think you're right out there so.

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Speaker 3: That people know the real numbers right over a sixty

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Speaker 3: eighty one hundred year timespan. What that's going to look.

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Speaker 1: Like, Lindy browning our guests real quick, I got like

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Speaker 1: twenty seconds. What's going on with Club twenty Foundation and

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Speaker 1: some of the journalism that's happening at Club twenty foundation

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Speaker 1: dot org. For example, your article in the apples to

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Speaker 1: Apple's energy problem, which anybody interested in this topic should

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Speaker 1: definitely follow your work for sure.

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Speaker 3: So we the Club twenty Foundation is new. We we knew.

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Speaker 3: We stood up about three months ago, and one of

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Speaker 3: the things that was important to all of us was

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Speaker 3: that we had a credible arm of journalism that wasn't activists,

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Speaker 3: that wasn't biased, that we could just really educate people

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Speaker 3: around the issues of rural America. We're obviously focused on

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Speaker 3: the Western Slope, but really it's the same issues in

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Speaker 3: rural western Colorado as it is in rural Idaho, rural California,

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Speaker 3: rural Nevada, rural everywhere. Yeah, are the issues. So we

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Speaker 3: talk about wildlife, we talk about energy, we talk about water,

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Speaker 3: we talk about transportation, we talk about local issues that

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Speaker 3: are unique to rural America, and we talk about a

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Speaker 3: lot Yeah, Yeah, that was really the mission.

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Speaker 1: There, and I think those of us in the front

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Speaker 1: range need more understanding of those issues happening in rural

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Speaker 1: communities and especially out there on the Western Slope.

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Speaker 2: Club twenty Foundation dot org.

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Speaker 1: Glendy Browning, journalist extraorda, thanks so much for joining us

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Speaker 1: this morning here on KOA.

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Speaker 2: Really appreciate your time. And Merry Christmas, my friend.

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Speaker 3: Merry Christmas everybody on the East Slope.

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Speaker 1: There you go once again, Lindy Browning joining us from

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Speaker 1: the Club twenty Foundation here ONKOA, talking a little bit

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Speaker 1: about the free market and what that means in this

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Speaker 1: context of not picking winners and losers and having government

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Speaker 1: policies that are particularly shutting out the expertise and experience

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Speaker 1: of the rural communities that have been leading the charge

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Speaker 1: literally and figuratively on energy production.

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Speaker 2: Since we've been doing it here in Colorado.

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Speaker 1: Now there is a question about the free market and

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Speaker 1: who is the air apparent in that regard. This was

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Speaker 1: interesting from Rand Paul yesterday on the Sunday Shows, of course,

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Speaker 1: the libertarian senator from Kentucky.

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Speaker 2: I think there needs to be.

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Speaker 8: Representatives in the Republican Party who still believe international trade

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Speaker 8: is good, who still believe in free market capitalism, who

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Speaker 8: still believe in low taxes. So you used to separate

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Speaker 8: conservatives and liberals. At conservatives thought it was a spending problem.

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Speaker 8: We didn't want more revenue, we wanted less spending. But

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Speaker 8: now all these pro terror protectionists they love taxes, and

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Speaker 8: so they tax, tax, tax, and then they brag about

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Speaker 8: all the revenue coming in. That has never been a

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Speaker 8: conservative position. So I'm going to continue to try to

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Speaker 8: lead a conservative, free market wing of the party and

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Speaker 8: we'll see where things lead over time.

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Speaker 2: And that's not jd Vance.

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Speaker 1: No, And you know what I have to agree with

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Speaker 1: that jd Vance is. I like a lot of things

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Speaker 1: about him. He's impressive. He's the first millennial vice president,

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Speaker 1: and as a millennial myself, there's a certain maybe a

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Speaker 1: little bit of generational pride that I see. We may

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Speaker 1: be totally shutting out gen xers, see what happens, but

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Speaker 1: if you're in gen X, maybe you'll be shut out

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Speaker 1: from the presidency because well, Kamala Harris right, so not

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Speaker 1: entirely but mostly anyway.

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Speaker 2: The whole situation with J. D.

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Speaker 1: Vance is he's not a conservative, he's not a limited

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Speaker 1: government guy. We need somebody in the free market wing.

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Speaker 1: That's for Darren Shore. More on that coming up. On

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Speaker 1: the other side, what do you think j d Vance

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Speaker 1: for Vice president? Could he lead the free market wing

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Speaker 1: of the party. Here's ran Paul Wright. Keep the text coming.

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Speaker 2: Listener text coming in.

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Speaker 1: This is an interesting one from Colton, who is now

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Speaker 1: in the solar industry in developing solar projects. How do

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Speaker 1: conservative county commissioners balance private property rights with their opposition

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Speaker 1: to renewable development.

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Speaker 2: It's an interesting question.

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Speaker 1: The explanation here he says, what seeing our conservatives getting

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Speaker 1: in between a private company with private money and a

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Speaker 1: landowner who have willingly entered into an agreement on their

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Speaker 1: land to develop a solar farm. They're stepping in and

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Speaker 1: using government to shut it down. Now, look, if it's

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Speaker 1: in a neighborhood and it's not on your roof, maybe

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Speaker 1: there's something to be said for it, especially for Hoa's.

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Speaker 1: But if you're talking like a more rural area or

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Speaker 1: where you have really large yards, it's not quite a neighborhood.

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Speaker 1: You have, you know, a lot of different circumstances. I

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Speaker 1: could think of Samarias and longmand for example, where there's

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Speaker 1: solar farms.

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Speaker 2: It's not really a neighborhood.

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Speaker 1: But somebody's got a solar farm on their yard and

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Speaker 1: is pretty massive. I'm with you, brother, I think that

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Speaker 1: the government should not interfere if a local individual and

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Speaker 1: that's sort of a circumstance. It's not obstructive in a

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Speaker 1: neighborhood dramatically or heck, you know, put it on a

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Speaker 1: roof if you are in a neighborhood and don't.

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Speaker 2: Get in the way of that. I mean, I'll say this.

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Speaker 1: I remember being a kid in New Jersey in the

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Speaker 1: late nineties and we had neighbors move in next door

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Speaker 1: and they put solar panels up on their roof, which

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Speaker 1: was just crazy. It was so early on at that point,

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Speaker 1: and I have that distinct memory, distinct memory as a

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Speaker 1: kid from that. Now this day and age very different,

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Speaker 1: much more advanced.

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Speaker 2: I don't think you're talking about the roofs.

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Speaker 1: I think you're talking about on a property and the

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Speaker 1: county getting in the way. What business does the county

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Speaker 1: have getting the weight? When I was talking before about

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Speaker 1: how the market should be able to work and we

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Speaker 1: shouldn't have government interference that includes.

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Speaker 2: Fearing with somebody's property rights.

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Speaker 1: To put the kind of energy that they want on

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Speaker 1: their property. What business does government have to interfere with that?

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Speaker 2: They don't. So I'm with you on that point, and.

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Speaker 1: That goes to my approach to the all of the

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Speaker 1: above is let's pull back on all of the interference

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Speaker 1: on all of the restrictions, so on and so forth,

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Speaker 1: the whole list of things that government has no business with.

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Speaker 1: Speaking of what government has no business with, let's talk

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Speaker 1: about tariffs. I mean, technically government does, but not in

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Speaker 1: the way that the Trump administration is going at it.

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Speaker 1: Yesterday on oh Is Margaret Brennan's CBS, she had Kevin Hassett,

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Speaker 1: one of the top economic advisor advisors on the White

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Speaker 1: House about these tariff checks, this notion that all people

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Speaker 1: are going to get two thousand dollars dividends from the tariffs, which,

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Speaker 1: by the way, reminds me of the gimmick that Governor

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Speaker 1: Polus played with Tabor and talking about how remember a

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Speaker 1: that they would be a flat raid, and he called

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Speaker 1: them a dividend, and so forth, he had all these

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Speaker 1: and it was all but Tabor refunds, and they were

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Speaker 2: Well, listen to this response.

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Speaker 9: Let me ask you a bit about tariffs. Since as

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Speaker 9: out to households. The Treasury Secretary said this would go

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Speaker 9: to households making less than one hundred thousand dollars. Should

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Speaker 9: Americans plan to receive those checks in twenty twenty six,

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Speaker 9: that's going.

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Speaker 10: To depend on what happens with Congress. Congress is going

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Speaker 10: to have to send those money to those peoples. But

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Speaker 10: the thing we can say is that since July, we've

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Speaker 10: had a lot of positive news about the economy. We've

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Speaker 10: had a couple of quarters of almost four percent growth,

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Speaker 10: We've got a big government surplus actually running for a

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Speaker 10: few months in a row. The deficit relative to last

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Speaker 10: year is down by six hundred billion dollars. And so

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Speaker 10: in the summer I wasn't so sure that there was

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Speaker 10: space for a check like that, But now I'm pretty

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Speaker 10: sure that there is, And so I would expect that

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Speaker 10: in new year, the President will bring forth the proposal

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Speaker 10: of Congress to make way.

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Speaker 1: Wait now, now it's about a proposal that Congress needs

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Speaker 1: to pass to make it happen. But then, okay, how

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Speaker 1: are they going to pay for this? What's the source?

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Speaker 1: Is it actually going.

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Speaker 9: To be tariffs, So a new proposal for these, it's

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Speaker 9: not necessarily coming from existing tariff revenue.

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Speaker 10: Well, it could come from tariff revenue, but in the end,

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Speaker 10: you know, we get taxes, we get terriffs, we get

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Speaker 10: all revenue from lots of places, and then Congress decides

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Speaker 10: how to spend those moneys. That's an appropriation. And so

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Speaker 10: this would have to be money that would be an appropriation.

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Speaker 9: So don't bank on it in other.

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Speaker 1: Words, don't bank on it in other words, because Congress

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Speaker 1: has to give it to you.

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Speaker 2: And this is word games.

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Speaker 1: So Trump is talking about how we want to give

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Speaker 1: you a tariff dividend. Jared Polis talked about wanting to

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Speaker 1: give you a Colorado dividend. And in both cases it

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Speaker 1: had nothing to do with the authority of the President

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Speaker 1: or the governor, just unilaterally saying I'm doing this, but

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Speaker 1: they've taken credit for it. We're putting the idea out there.

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Speaker 1: I think part of this is to try and sell

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Speaker 1: the argument, the idea that the Supreme Court can't rule

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Speaker 1: against President Trump's illegal, unconstitutional tariffs because there's too much skin.

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Speaker 2: In the game for the American people.

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00:58:01,440 --> 00:58:04,360
Speaker 1: There's too much money that has been taken in and

883
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Speaker 1: that is being allocated for things. For the Supreme Court

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Speaker 1: to interfere with that, even though it would be just

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Speaker 1: the Supreme Court doing exactly what it should and standing

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Speaker 1: up for the constitution, the rule of law, and the

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Speaker 1: separation of powers, saying this is the purview teriffts or

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00:58:23,880 --> 00:58:29,040
Speaker 1: constitutionally the purview of Congress. Congress can delegate some authority

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00:58:29,040 --> 00:58:31,600
Speaker 1: to the president, but the extent to which he's taken

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Speaker 1: it upon himself is in violation of the law and

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00:58:34,200 --> 00:58:38,960
Speaker 1: the constitution, even if he has legal authority in statute,

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Speaker 1: even though he doesn't. Even if you took that still

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00:58:43,040 --> 00:58:47,600
Speaker 1: would be unconstitutional and unconstitutional delegation, in violation of this

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Speaker 1: non delegation doctrine as it's called. But they're trying to

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Speaker 1: put up all of these barriers, pr wise, to put

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Speaker 1: the Supreme Court in a box, and God willing it

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Speaker 1: won't work. But getting out for oh my gosh, look

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Speaker 1: at the the terroriffts. And now we're gonna have a

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Speaker 1: tariff dividend.

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Speaker 2: Ladies and gentlemen.

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Speaker 1: President Trump, the hero on tariffs, is bringing in all

902
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Speaker 1: this money. We're gonna do this, but oh wait, we

903
00:59:14,400 --> 00:59:16,520
Speaker 1: need Congress's approval.

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Speaker 2: And it might not actually come from tariffs. Guess what.

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Speaker 1: We have had tax rebates and these kinds of things

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Speaker 1: from the federal government for many years, and many times.

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Speaker 1: We did during COVID, we did during Obama, we did

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Speaker 1: during Bush.

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Speaker 2: And guess what it doesn't do.

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Speaker 1: The promise that they say in terms of greasing the

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Speaker 1: skids of the economy or anything else is nonsensical. And

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00:59:38,520 --> 00:59:41,360
Speaker 1: this is another nonsensical example dressed as some kind of

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Speaker 1: wonderful TARRAF thing. I'll be real, can't sugarcoat it. I'm

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Speaker 1: Jimmy Sangenberger in for Michael Brown. Keep it here as

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Speaker 1: we continue on KOA Jimmy Sangenberger in for Michael Brown

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Speaker 1: today and tomorrow playing some of the best Christmas bumper music.

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Speaker 2: Known to man. And we're still doing talkbacks.

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Speaker 1: On the iHeartRadio app And that includes one that I

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Speaker 1: cannot not play.

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Speaker 2: Shannon hit It brother. Some jazz notes in there, but

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Speaker 2: it's not as easy as the harmony, not.

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Speaker 1: As easy as the harmodica. Now I must say I

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Speaker 1: can't play that. Although the vocal you know, coming to

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Speaker 1: my time, I don't even want to sing it because

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Speaker 1: my regular, my actual singing voice, not my blues voice

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Speaker 1: doesn't work so well, but I can hear it in

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Speaker 1: my head the vocals, thank.

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Speaker 2: You for that fantastic treat.

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Speaker 1: Merry Christmas to you and amazing on the accordion. That

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Speaker 1: to me is the best talkback I've gotten this year

931
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Speaker 1: when I've filled in for Michael Brown. Because it was special,

932
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Speaker 1: it was unique, it was different.

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Speaker 2: And it may be easier than the harmonica, but I

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Speaker 2: have to say it. I just Shatton. I have to

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Speaker 2: say it. Says he said it, but I appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: Merry Christmas to you, Merry Christmas, one and all. Just

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Speaker 1: a little lick of harmonica there. We got another hour

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Speaker 1: up ahead. Rashmi Riis Kamara, one of my favorite guests

939
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Speaker 1: going back over a decade, will join us on the

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Speaker 1: other side. She's from Minnesota. Could Mike Lindell become the

941
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Speaker 1: next governor of Minnesota to replace Tim Walls? And how

942
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Speaker 1: are we supposed to handle civil times with our families

943
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Speaker 1: if we disagree over politics? Got that more coming up

944
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Speaker 1: in the next hours we continue Jimmy Sangenberger and for

945
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Speaker 1: Michael Brown on KOA and for Michael Brown on this Monday,

946
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Speaker 1: the twenty second of December. Just a couple of days

947
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Speaker 1: until Christmas Eve. Although it doesn't feel like it, we're

948
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Speaker 1: going to get what I call easter weather for Christmas

949
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Speaker 1: in the sixties, high sixties.

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Speaker 2: I just don't I don't understand it.

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Speaker 1: But alas, here we are, as we roll along, Jimmy

952
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Speaker 1: Sangenberger here with you. So great to have you along

953
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Speaker 1: for the ride and to be joined by good friend

954
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Speaker 1: of mine. You have heard her on KOA with me

955
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Speaker 1: periodically when I sit in, and I've interviewed her now

956
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Speaker 1: for well over a decade on the air. Rashini raj

957
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Speaker 1: Kumar is the host of the Crisis Files podcast. She

958
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Speaker 1: is a veteran TV news reporter, a license thettorney, the

959
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Speaker 1: author of Communicate That Your Toolbox for a Powerful presence,

960
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Speaker 1: and a crisis and communication coach with some of the

961
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Speaker 1: most top notch con clients that you can imagine, including

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Speaker 1: at one point the Minnesota Vikings who happened to defeat

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Speaker 1: my New York Giants yesterday.

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Speaker 2: But we will be civil despite all of that. Rashini

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Speaker 2: ras Kumar joins us here on KOA. Merry Christmas, Rashine.

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Speaker 3: Merry Christmas.

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Speaker 11: Yes, you will always be civil, Jinny, But I am

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Speaker 11: glad that the Purple beat you.

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Speaker 1: Guys, you know what, we can just leave it there.

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Speaker 1: It was a sad day. The Broncos lost, the Giants lost.

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Speaker 1: I'm just upset and all. There you go, so that's

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Speaker 1: how it goes. But I was not surprised. The Giants

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Speaker 1: are having a rough year, that's for sure. Anyway, Rashini,

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Speaker 1: you were based out of Minnesota, and I found something

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Speaker 1: to be utterly fascinating and.

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Speaker 2: Completely and that's a new proposal. Sorry about that.

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Speaker 1: Michael Lindell aka Mike Lindell, the My Pillow Guy, CEO

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Speaker 1: of My Pillow, Well, he's announced he's running for governor

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Speaker 1: of Minnesota. And of course, this is a guy who's

980
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Speaker 1: been fighting legal battles in court over his lies about

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Speaker 1: the twenty twenty election, and he had been sued by

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Speaker 1: the I was there in court watched him, you know,

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Speaker 1: I watched him in person in the courtroom when he

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Speaker 1: was sued by the former Demian Vice president Eric Coomer.

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Speaker 1: That was fascinating. And could he be your next governor

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Speaker 1: in Minnesota?

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Speaker 3: For real?

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Speaker 11: It seems doubtful for me, he just says, someone who

989
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Speaker 11: is not only originally from here. Now I've been living

990
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Speaker 11: here for the last twenty years, watching what I've been

991
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Speaker 11: seeing and also understanding some of the legal challenges of

992
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Speaker 11: his situation, I would be surprised. But remember we I'm

993
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Speaker 11: also from the state that in nineteen ninety eight elected

994
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Speaker 11: former ww east ar Jesse Ventura as our governor, So

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Speaker 11: anything can happen to me.

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Speaker 2: I just I can't fathom this.

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Speaker 1: But then again, President Trump has already kind of thrown

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Speaker 1: his support behind Mike Lindell in which should be a

999
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Speaker 1: crowded Republican primary.

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Speaker 2: I find it to.

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Speaker 1: Be a moment where, for well, first of all, Rasheny,

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Speaker 1: if you really believe that the elections are irrevocably rigged

1003
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Speaker 1: and that the whole system needs to be thrown out,

1004
01:05:44,840 --> 01:05:47,479
Speaker 1: root and branch, why in the world would you run

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Speaker 1: for public office in the first place, because you don't

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Speaker 1: even trust the system you're running it.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, I mean that's a really interesting point. You know,

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Speaker 11: there's something to be said for what the Framers originally wanted,

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Speaker 11: which was you leave your life, whatever that is, whatever

1010
01:06:02,960 --> 01:06:05,920
Speaker 11: your job is, and you get in there and serve

1011
01:06:06,000 --> 01:06:09,080
Speaker 11: for a while and then leave again. That in theory,

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Speaker 11: and just when you hear those words is a beautiful thought,

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Speaker 11: But unfortunately a lot of people of the last maybe

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Speaker 11: ten to twenty years use public office for their own

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Speaker 11: means and their own whether it's gaining wealth or gaining

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Speaker 11: a name. So it's really getting tougher and tougher to

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Speaker 11: be a voter because you have to be even more

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Speaker 11: discerning about how intentional and ethical any particular candidate is.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good point.

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Speaker 1: And the ethics of running for office these days, I mean,

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Speaker 1: doesn't it seem like so much of it is thrown

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Speaker 1: out the window. You're a communication coach, a crisis coach,

1023
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Speaker 1: when you are counseling folks who are maybe they're elected officials,

1024
01:06:50,400 --> 01:06:53,840
Speaker 1: but probably more likely they're CEOs of Fortune five hundred

1025
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Speaker 1: companies or otherwise, how do you approach that ethical mindset?

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Speaker 2: Rashmi rash and saying, Okay.

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Speaker 1: You need to address these real issues, but you have

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Speaker 1: to do so in a way that is ethical, above

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Speaker 1: board and defensible.

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Speaker 11: Well, you know, the sad thing, Jimmy, is a lot

1031
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Speaker 11: of these campaigns aren't asking the ethical and epics question first.

1032
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Speaker 11: They're asking how do we get votes? How do we

1033
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Speaker 11: appeal on social and other digital platforms to potential voters?

1034
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Speaker 11: And they almost are curving messages to really get certain

1035
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Speaker 11: segments of the vote. And I'm all about audience analysis

1036
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Speaker 11: and sculpting your choreography to really hit those target markets.

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Speaker 11: But I would like to place and continue to place

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Speaker 11: a higher ethical standard on anyone running for office. And

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Speaker 11: we've seen across both federal, local, even and national races

1040
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Speaker 11: that ethics is barely the first question anyone asks anymore.

1041
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Speaker 11: I mean, even in the process has it become questionable.

1042
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Speaker 11: So I mean it's fun for us as talk show

1043
01:07:57,360 --> 01:08:00,480
Speaker 11: hosts to see what happens. Not sure always if it's

1044
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Speaker 11: great for the citizenry in any particular jurisdiction, that's for sure.

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Speaker 1: Let's talk for a moment about Tim Walls, the governor

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Speaker 1: of Minnesota. Of course, he just ran unsuccessfully last year

1047
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Speaker 1: for Vice president of the United States on the Harris

1048
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Speaker 1: Walls ticket. And I'm asking you this, of course, amid

1049
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Speaker 1: the multi year social services fraud scandal. Ninety two defendants,

1050
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Speaker 1: many of them residents of Somali descent, charged in this

1051
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Speaker 1: scandal of the safety net system defrauding it. Sixty have

1052
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Speaker 1: been convicted, according to prosecutors. And there's a lot of

1053
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Speaker 1: questions about what Governor Walls knew or didn't know, and

1054
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Speaker 1: so forth. Talk to us for a moment about that

1055
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Speaker 1: and how that's playing out in Minnesota and also.

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Speaker 2: Your view of Governor Walls in the big picture.

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Speaker 11: Well, I'll give you just a couple of stats that

1058
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Speaker 11: are out there. Since Minnesota adopted for you terms in

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Speaker 11: nineteen sixty two, no Minnesota governor has been elected to

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Speaker 11: a third term. So there's a little bit of history

1061
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Speaker 11: there on that. Also because of the fraud, which only

1062
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Speaker 11: just the headlines keep getting worse. Whether you're a Minnesota

1063
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Speaker 11: resident and believe me, I am appalled, or someone watching us.

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Speaker 3: From another state, like from Colorado, I'm sure.

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Speaker 11: You're appalled when you see these numbers, and it's really

1066
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Speaker 11: shocking to me. There was a time in our lives

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Speaker 11: that these kinds of headlines, this kind of heat was

1068
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Speaker 11: coming down on a candidate or even an actual governor

1069
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Speaker 11: or senator. They would resign from office, but no double

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Speaker 11: down and once or tripled down and once the people

1071
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Speaker 11: in Minnesota would elect him again. So regardless of what

1072
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Speaker 11: state it is, I would say this about any candidate

1073
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Speaker 11: that's facing these kinds of headlines that are just terrible.

1074
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Speaker 11: I mean, they would wipe out so many different people.

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Speaker 11: I think I have not talked with him, but my

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Speaker 11: guess is he's banking on the fact that he's the incumbant.

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Speaker 11: But I think this is one of those times the

1078
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Speaker 11: investigative reporting you will be happy to know Jimmy is

1079
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Speaker 11: stepping up on all this fraud. And I would really

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Speaker 11: like to see my personal opinion if Governor Wall's never

1081
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Speaker 11: asked me as he should step aside and let the

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Speaker 11: Democratic Party find.

1083
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Speaker 3: A viable contender or two that.

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Speaker 11: Has a chance and doesn't have the baggage of all

1085
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Speaker 11: of this fraud, of some of his previous baggage from

1086
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Speaker 11: other things that have nothing to do with the fraud.

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Speaker 11: So it just comes down to the ethics always for me,

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Speaker 11: and integrity. If you're really a leader that understands succession planning,

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Speaker 11: you wouldn't be running for a third term with these

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Speaker 11: kinds of negative headlines. So obviously you hear I have

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Speaker 11: a lot of passion in that response.

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Speaker 2: Just one minute in this segment.

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Speaker 1: Let me ask you, though, let's handicap the wacky race

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Speaker 1: Tim Walls versus Mike Lindell.

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Speaker 11: Oh wow, well, that is something I'm going to tell

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Speaker 11: you right now.

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Speaker 3: I do not want your seat, and.

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Speaker 11: That is that is something that would be a very

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Speaker 11: hard election for me to even vote. I don't even

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Speaker 11: know that I could fill in the dark circle for governor.

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Speaker 11: And that is you know how shocking that is to hear.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I can't blame you.

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Speaker 1: I mean, Mike Lindal is a charlatan, especially on all

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Speaker 1: this election staff and the way that he has approached

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01:11:21,520 --> 01:11:24,000
Speaker 1: it as being one of the folk rooms in a

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Speaker 1: network pushing all sorts of falsehoods perceiving people. He was

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Speaker 1: heavily involved in the saga of Tina Peters, the former

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Speaker 1: clerk and recorder here in Colorado, because who's behind bars?

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01:11:37,960 --> 01:11:42,800
Speaker 1: Because he had that she was recruited by a guy

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Speaker 1: that he was paying, doctor Douglas Frank, to travel all

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01:11:46,000 --> 01:11:50,960
Speaker 1: across the country making presentations on these conspiracy theories about

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Speaker 1: phantom voters. And there was a meeting in April of

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty one doctor Douglas Frank with Tina Peters and

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Speaker 1: that's when she was recruited. And he is part of

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Speaker 1: Mike Lindl's network. You can't make this stuff up. Rasheeni

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Speaker 1: Raj Kumar, a guest host of the Crisis Files.

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Speaker 2: We'll pick up the conversation on the.

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Speaker 1: Other side here on KOA Jimmy and for Michael, Don't

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Speaker 1: Go Anywhere or a whole case of socks for Christmas.

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Speaker 1: I love that song. J D Makepheerson socks. Gosh, every

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01:12:20,640 --> 01:12:22,840
Speaker 1: kid you get socks and you're like, wait, why am

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Speaker 1: I getting socks for Christmas? Rashinie Raj Kumar joining us,

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Speaker 1: host of the Crisis Files podcast, Rashinie, how about socks

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Speaker 1: for Christmas?

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Speaker 11: You know, I don't mind them, but I've gotten so

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Speaker 11: many over the years that I've kind of asked people

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01:12:37,680 --> 01:12:39,120
Speaker 11: to slow it down. Slow that rule.

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Speaker 2: There you go.

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Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I love this song.

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Speaker 2: It's so perfect because everybody get it.

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Speaker 1: As a kid, You're like, wait, what why am I

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Speaker 1: getting socks for Christmas?

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Speaker 3: Uh?

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Speaker 11: I mean you know what, I will tell you on

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Speaker 11: a nostalgic level, which some of your listeners will relate to.

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Speaker 11: Uh So, my mother passed a few years ago, and

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Speaker 11: I'll tell you we used to give each other holiday

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Speaker 11: soxs all holidays, and when I put on any sock

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01:13:03,280 --> 01:13:05,640
Speaker 11: that she gave me, it's just a sweet memory. So

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Speaker 11: I think I'm going to keep those no matter what,

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Speaker 11: as long as they don't have holes in them.

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Speaker 2: There you go. Oh, I love that. I love that.

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01:13:13,600 --> 01:13:16,560
Speaker 1: Let's talk for a moment about the division in America

1144
01:13:16,800 --> 01:13:19,880
Speaker 1: because so far we have a society at this moment

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01:13:20,320 --> 01:13:25,719
Speaker 1: where American American freedom of expression has devolved into let's

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01:13:25,760 --> 01:13:28,760
Speaker 1: bash one another, let's mistreat one another, and so forth.

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Speaker 1: And especially at the holidays, I think this is just

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01:13:31,240 --> 01:13:35,160
Speaker 1: an important time to talk for a moment about how

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01:13:35,200 --> 01:13:40,280
Speaker 1: we should be conducting civil conversation, and especially with families.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, it is a really good time to not only

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01:13:44,479 --> 01:13:48,320
Speaker 11: remember to bring hun your best attitude to the dining

1152
01:13:48,360 --> 01:13:51,439
Speaker 11: table over all these holidays, or to the holiday parties

1153
01:13:51,840 --> 01:13:55,200
Speaker 11: with family and even close friends, it's another time to

1154
01:13:55,240 --> 01:13:58,280
Speaker 11: remember that if you aren't going to get into discussing

1155
01:13:58,360 --> 01:14:04,360
Speaker 11: controversial topics, whether that be politics or the local pta,

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01:14:04,560 --> 01:14:08,400
Speaker 11: whatever it is, we have to remember that the Constitution,

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01:14:08,800 --> 01:14:11,400
Speaker 11: as you know, I call it the Good Book, protects

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01:14:11,400 --> 01:14:14,760
Speaker 11: that freedom of expression and freedom of speech. But just

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01:14:14,800 --> 01:14:17,200
Speaker 11: like it protects that for each one of us, it

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Speaker 11: also protects that for the people.

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Speaker 3: We're talking with.

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Speaker 11: So if they don't agree with us, it doesn't mean

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Speaker 11: they're bad or evil or should go to jail. It

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01:14:24,680 --> 01:14:27,600
Speaker 11: just means they disagree with us, and I'm hoping that

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01:14:27,960 --> 01:14:30,680
Speaker 11: we can use the season of love and peace and

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01:14:30,800 --> 01:14:34,040
Speaker 11: joy to remember that if we are going to get

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Speaker 11: into these kinds of conversations, to bring a good attitude,

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01:14:38,120 --> 01:14:41,600
Speaker 11: bring civility forward, and of course.

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Speaker 1: Respect, respect and remembering that is just it's a challenge

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Speaker 1: when it's so divisive. Unfortunately we're out of time, but

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Speaker 1: I want to ask you real quickly about your latest

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01:14:53,640 --> 01:14:56,400
Speaker 1: episode for the Crisis Files, number one seventy eight.

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Speaker 2: This sounds fun. Crimes of the Art.

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Speaker 3: Oh, it's thing.

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Speaker 11: I spoke with a retired special agent with the FBI

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Speaker 11: who part of her work catching criminals was those who

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Speaker 11: had heist art. And we're not just talking about like

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Speaker 11: the jewels from the Loeuver that got stolen in October,

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01:15:16,080 --> 01:15:20,839
Speaker 11: the things ancient artifacts remains from Native Indian burial grounds.

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Speaker 11: The Nazi you know, the Nazis stole I want to

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Speaker 11: say about twenty percent of European arts.

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Speaker 3: Wow, a lot hasn't even been recovered.

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Speaker 11: So it's a fascinating episode and also shares some tips

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01:15:33,040 --> 01:15:35,800
Speaker 11: for if you know of how you can help the

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01:15:35,840 --> 01:15:37,040
Speaker 11: FBI solve some.

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Speaker 3: Of these crimes.

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Speaker 11: And it's about a fifty billion dollar a year where

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Speaker 11: art of all kinds gets stolen.

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Speaker 3: Wow.

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Speaker 1: The Crisis Files iHeartRadio app and The Crisis filesdapt com.

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Speaker 1: Thanks so much for joining us, My friend and Merry Christmas, Rashini, Rascobar.

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01:15:55,040 --> 01:15:56,679
Speaker 3: Mary Christmas, Jimmy once.

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Speaker 1: Again, Rashini Raj Kumar joining us the Crisis Files podcast

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01:16:00,439 --> 01:16:03,680
Speaker 1: for a break. Jimmy in for Michael on KOA as

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Speaker 1: Rudolph gets ready to help out Santa on his quest

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Speaker 1: to deliver gifts all the good girls and boys coming

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Speaker 1: up on Christmas Eve. It's just a couple of days

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Speaker 1: away now tomorrow. Among the guests and the festivities we

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Speaker 1: will have, there's a lot of shenanigans going on at

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Speaker 1: the North Pole lately. We need to check in with

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Speaker 1: one Santa Claus, who will be joining us for some

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Speaker 1: Christmas fun tomorrow about what's happening in the North Pole.

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Speaker 1: He'll be joining us probably at eleven thirty. Jimmy Sangenberger

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01:16:43,400 --> 01:16:49,360
Speaker 1: in for Michael Brown today and tomorrow on KOA. And

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Speaker 1: by the way, I'll be in for Roskiminsky of Roskiminsky

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Speaker 1: on the News with Gina joining me all next week

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Speaker 1: minus New Year's Day. From six to nine, so be

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Speaker 1: sure to join in. Then we've got some great stuff

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Speaker 1: in the work. So last segment, we began the Bumper

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Speaker 1: with Rashini Raj Kumar or Guess with the song Socks

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Speaker 1: by JD. McPherson about how you know if you're a kid,

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Speaker 1: you open up the gift it's socks and you don't

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Speaker 1: like it. Now as an adult, you want the socks.

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Speaker 1: I've literally laid my fiance and I get into a fight.

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Speaker 1: I want socks for christmaths she doesn't want to give

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Speaker 1: me socks for Christmas. We'll see if I end up

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Speaker 1: somebody giving me socks for Christmas.

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I like it. As a kid I did, and as

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Speaker 2: an adult I do.

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Speaker 1: But nevertheless, there's oftentimes that's a gift that you get.

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Speaker 2: And Rashini told the story about socks.

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Speaker 1: She would get Christmases from her mom, special socks and

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Speaker 1: so forth. Well listen her text coming in. Remember both

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Speaker 1: Michael's chext line he won zero three and the koa

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Speaker 1: Common Spirit Health text line five sixty six nine zero

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Speaker 1: Gluber number five nine one zero. My grandma gave socks

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Speaker 1: every year to her grand and great grandkids. It was

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Speaker 1: a tradition. When she passed away, my kids were very

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Speaker 1: sad about not getting socks, so I had to start

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Speaker 1: giving everyone socks. Tradition was more important to them than

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Speaker 1: I ever knew. That is beautiful, That's truly beautiful. I

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Speaker 1: love these kinds of stories, and that's I don't have

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Speaker 1: a special affinity for socks. I just want them because

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Speaker 1: I'm weird like that. But I love the stories of

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Speaker 1: those who have a special reason. Mother in the case

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Speaker 1: of Rashini or this texture, my grandma gave socks to

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Speaker 1: her grand and great grandkids. That's beautiful a family tradition.

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Speaker 1: Five six, six, nine zero three three one zero three.

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Speaker 1: Is there anything that you get that you either are like,

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Speaker 1: I get this every year or I would get this

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Speaker 1: every year as a kid and I hated it, or

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Speaker 1: I loved it. It means something special to me. I've

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Speaker 1: passed it on to my family. Now I have one

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Speaker 1: gift that I will share. So years ago, on another station,

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Speaker 1: I was doing fill in twenty twelve. It was really

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Speaker 1: early in my radio career and it was day after Christmas,

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Speaker 1: I think, and there were a couple of co hosts

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Speaker 1: on the show and they asked me so what do

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Speaker 1: you get for Christmas? And for whatever reason, I didn't

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Speaker 1: plan out in my mind anything that I was gonna

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Speaker 1: say I got, so I said, after thinking an ottoman,

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Speaker 1: I kid you not.

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Speaker 2: I was at what'd you get for Christmas?

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Speaker 1: And an automated is the one thing that case.

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Speaker 2: Of my bite and that I said out loud, which.

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Speaker 1: Became the most famous Christmas gift I ever got because

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Speaker 1: I would hear for people for a long time, Hey,

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01:20:10,000 --> 01:20:10,799
Speaker 1: how's the ottoman?

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Speaker 2: What a great Christmas gift? Getting get out of it.

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Speaker 1: Like I was in my early twenties, so you know,

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Speaker 1: I'll getting out on my own and so forth.

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Speaker 2: It's like an outom. It was great, But I just

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Speaker 2: I just that's what I said.

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Speaker 1: There you go five six to six and nine zero

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Speaker 1: three three one zero three memorable gifts as we head

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Speaker 1: into Christmas. So there's a big controversy. We heard it

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Speaker 1: in the news. Governor Jared Polis, Senator John hicken Hooper,

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Speaker 1: Senator Michael Bennett. They're all blowing the whistle saying that

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Speaker 1: the Trump administration is intentionally withholding funds denying a disaster

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Speaker 1: declaration request, multiple of them from Governor Polis, denying it

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01:21:01,160 --> 01:21:05,720
Speaker 1: Saturday night for the Elkin leaf fires as well as

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Speaker 1: for flooding in the western part of Colorado. Wildfires began

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Speaker 1: over the summer, with Lee Fire burning over one hundred

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Speaker 1: and thirty seven thousand acres. I think that's in the

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Speaker 1: top five largest fires in Colorado history. Both contained by September,

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Speaker 1: but then severe flooding, of course hit parts of Colorado

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Speaker 1: in October. A handful of rural counties were impact and

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Speaker 1: I think, by the way, most of them are Republican.

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Speaker 1: And of course polists and others are saying this is

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Speaker 1: all retaliation, particularly because President Trump threatened harsh measures against

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Speaker 1: the state months back if they didn't free Tina Peters,

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Speaker 1: the disgraced former clerk and recorder of Mason County, spending

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Speaker 1: nine years behind bars, or at least that's her sentence.

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Speaker 1: She'll end up being paroled in early twenty twenty eight.

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Speaker 1: That's when she's eligible. By the way, you don't hear

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Speaker 1: people talking that saying that, Hey, by the way, hey,

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Speaker 1: Tina's gonna get on in a couple of years.

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Speaker 2: Let's make sure that happens.

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Speaker 1: No, it's Tina's gonna serve nine years and it's an

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Speaker 1: unjust sentence. Never mind the fact that she could have

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Speaker 1: served nineteen years but didn't get that much. But you know,

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Speaker 1: we can forget about parole because when you're grifting and

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01:22:27,560 --> 01:22:31,320
Speaker 1: you're making hay out of something that isn't true, you

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01:22:31,439 --> 01:22:34,280
Speaker 1: gotta do what you gotta do, right. You gotta get

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Speaker 1: the legal team and other people paid. That's what it's

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Speaker 1: really all about. And never mind the stuff that she

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Speaker 1: did in the election security breach, the identity theft scheme,

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Speaker 1: all of that.

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Speaker 2: Oh no, no, never mind that.

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Speaker 1: But President Trump did his pardon last week that a

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Speaker 1: couple weeks ago. Now that was not an hour pardon,

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Speaker 1: because you can't pardon if you're president somebody for a

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Speaker 1: state crime number one. At number two, what I think

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Speaker 1: I talked about this, I think I was hosting that

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Speaker 1: day number two. The crimes that she was convicted of

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Speaker 1: that have her in prison for felonies have nothing to

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Speaker 1: do with election. It's the scheme surrounding what she did

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Speaker 1: for the breach. But neither here nor there. Let's get

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Speaker 1: back to the declaration of disaster that Trump declined to

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Speaker 1: provide with that funding. I asked a of course, this

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Speaker 1: would be a great conversation for me to have with

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Speaker 1: the host of the program, Michael Brown, given his background

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Speaker 1: with FEMA. But I asked a person I know who

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Speaker 1: is in the world of disaster stuff for a government

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Speaker 1: in this state. I'll leave it at that, But I

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Speaker 1: asked the question Trump's rejection of disaster declaration legitimate basis

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Speaker 1: or Tina politics. And this person replied, And it's really interesting,

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Speaker 1: especially when you actually pull up the relevant document summarizing

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Speaker 1: a memo written by Cameron Hamilton from FEMA entitled Actions

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Speaker 1: to Rebalance FEMA's Role in Disasters April twelfth, twenty twenty five. Now,

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Speaker 1: Cameron Hamilton wrote this memo right before he was fired

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Speaker 1: for saying in a congressional hearing that he didn't think

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Speaker 1: eliminating FEMA was the right solution, And of course that's

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Speaker 1: the policy of the Trump administration.

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Speaker 2: They want to get rid of FEMA.

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Speaker 1: So this person replied, someone who knows this really well

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Speaker 1: and understood this letter to probably neither. Again, my question

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01:24:58,120 --> 01:25:03,839
Speaker 1: was legitimate basis or Tina politics. Probably neither. Back in April,

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Speaker 1: a memo titled, as I mentioned, Actions to Rebalance FEMA's

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Speaker 1: Role in Disasters said that FEMA should quadruple the per

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Speaker 1: capita indicator for major disaster declarations. Essentially, it would make

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Speaker 1: the state's damage threshold before FEMA says they are overwhelmed

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Speaker 1: and need help to seven dollars and fifty six cents

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Speaker 1: per person versus one dollar and eighty nine cents per person,

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Speaker 1: or forty four point nine million dollars versus eleven point

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Speaker 1: two million dollars. The memo deemed that an action that

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Speaker 1: just required White House concurrence to implement immediately. Based on

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Speaker 1: other disaster declarations this year, it's assumed that it had

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Speaker 1: been implemented, but no one actually said anything. We definitely

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Speaker 1: didn't hit the higher number of uninsured damage. We did

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Speaker 1: hit the lower number. Unless FEMA's last trump specifically say

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Speaker 1: the real reason for the denial, there isn't much way

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Speaker 1: to know if that was the reason. Appealing the decision

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Speaker 1: should get closer to an answer, will see. But basically,

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Speaker 1: what I'm told is that the threshold and the certain

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Speaker 1: things for when FEMA would kick in with support was changed.

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Speaker 1: And so maybe a policy you disagree with, maybe something

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Speaker 1: you don't want. But in the beginning of the show,

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Speaker 1: I asked the question, is this actual political retaliation or

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Speaker 1: is there a legitimate case to be made for why

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Speaker 1: Colorado has been denied the disaster relief and the assumption

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Speaker 1: has just been near universally, Oh my gosh, it's got

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Speaker 1: to be political retaliation. Even on the right, supporters of

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Speaker 1: Tina Peters, Hey, this is.

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Speaker 2: Trump bo aren't you trump Boyne.

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Speaker 1: And then Polus saying, wow, this is political retribution, But

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Speaker 1: is it really? The Trump administration denies that it is

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Speaker 1: political retaliation, that there is politicization to Trump's decision. That's

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Speaker 1: through spokeswoman Abigail Jackson, who also said that the Trump

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Speaker 1: administration provided to aerial firefighting systems that were then loaded

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Speaker 1: onto military aircraft to help contain the two wildfires in question.

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Speaker 1: So it seems like if they implemented this policy, it

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Speaker 1: may not be a wise change. You can have a

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Speaker 1: debate about that, a discussion. We probably should have a

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Speaker 1: more of a discussion about natural disasters and how the

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Speaker 1: federal government should respond. Is it the way to go

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Speaker 1: to get rid of FEMA or ratool FEMA? Do you

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Speaker 1: just send block grants of certain money to the states,

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Speaker 1: What do you do?

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Speaker 2: What's the solution?

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Speaker 1: But it seems like there's an actual rational, non political

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Speaker 1: basis for this even though, and this is the problem

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Speaker 1: when the President says I'm threatening harsh measures, you better

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Speaker 1: comply and release this prisoner, calls her a political prisoner

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Speaker 1: and makes ay. And by the way, I don't think

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Speaker 1: Trump knows deadly squad about what actually happened in this case.

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Speaker 1: I don't think he actually knows the facts. I don't

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Speaker 1: think he's been informed on that. He's been given narratives

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Speaker 1: by certain people around him, and it's unfortunately what he's

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Speaker 1: decided to run with because probably at a loyalty or

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Speaker 1: the sense that, like, my base really loves Tina Peters

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Speaker 1: and she did this for me.

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Speaker 2: So I'm going to say all of this stuff.

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Speaker 1: There's no politicization, the White House says, Pola says there is.

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Speaker 1: I'm inclined to think there isn't. But the basis for

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Speaker 1: the lack of funding maybe weak. I don't know, something

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Speaker 1: I gotta look into. But don't just jump right into

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Speaker 1: it and just say, oh, well, this is definitely what

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Speaker 1: said Jimmy Segenberger in for Michael Brown today and tomorrow

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Speaker 1: been getting text in on the Kowa Common Spirit Health

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Speaker 1: text line at five six six nine zero.

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Speaker 2: How is the FED.

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Speaker 1: So federal government, not the Federal Reserve withholding funds any

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Speaker 1: different from police withholding funds from cities for not complying

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Speaker 1: with this housing mandates that the state is.

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Speaker 2: Being sued for. Well, let's see, if the basis.

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Speaker 1: Is for Tina Peters, then it is entirely different because

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Speaker 1: it is not a policy dispute. It is over something

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Speaker 1: that is not within the president's jurisdiction that was prosecuted

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Speaker 1: the case by a Republican district attorney in Dan Rubinstein

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Speaker 1: in a Republican county two to one for Trump.

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Speaker 2: We're talking Mason County, one.

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Speaker 1: Of the most maga counties in the state of Colorado.

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Speaker 1: Trump won two to one in both twenty twenty and

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty four. George Brockler just had a great piece

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Speaker 1: the other day in the Denver Gazette about Keena Peters

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Speaker 1: and the situation there and why she earned her time

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Speaker 1: and Republicans.

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Speaker 2: Need to move on. Check out the piece.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely fantastic from my district attorney, George Brockler in the

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Speaker 1: twenty third Judicial District. By the way, but there's no

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Speaker 1: basis here in law or spirit for Trump to do

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Speaker 1: what he's doing. Jana Peters deserves the time. So if

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Speaker 1: that's the basis for this, and it's retaliation over Tina Peters,

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Speaker 1: it is actually very different. If that isn't and there's

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Speaker 1: some other policy basis for saying, you know what, we're

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Speaker 1: going to withhold because you're not complying on this, then

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Speaker 1: you're right, it is an apt comparison.

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Speaker 2: And then this is another question.

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure of the time frame, but when is

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Speaker 1: that illegal immigrant that police commuted the sentence for getting out.

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Speaker 2: We're talking about the Ice seventy truck driver.

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Speaker 1: Who killed four people and injured many others on I

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Speaker 1: seventy a few years back, the one that Polis got

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Speaker 1: pressure from Kim Kardashian from to commute the sentence. I'm

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Speaker 1: not sure when he'll be let out what the status

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Speaker 1: is on that. But oh my gosh, that was a

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Speaker 1: grievous injustice and absolutely grievous injustice. But by the way,

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Speaker 1: because you're bringing it up in the context of the

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Speaker 1: Tina Peters discussion, I hear people talking about it. That

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Speaker 1: does not provide any justification for why Trump should say, oh, well,

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Speaker 1: go ahead, and you know, please, Paula's pardon Tina Peters.

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Speaker 1: And then Paula says yes, like there's no doesn't mean

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Speaker 1: one does not mean that the other should happen. The

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Speaker 1: first one never should have happened. And so I'm not

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Speaker 1: going to say, well he did that, so go and

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Speaker 1: do this part and that shouldn't happen as well.

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Speaker 2: Two wrongs don't make a right.

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Speaker 1: And by the way, we're talking about a Republican district

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Speaker 1: attorney again in Masa County, in Dan Rubinstein, who went

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Speaker 1: to the county commissioners and said, hey, guys, do.

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Speaker 2: You want me to prosecute this case?

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Speaker 1: They're all three or a Republican and they said, yeah,

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Speaker 1: go ahead and do it. Rubinstein, by the way, has

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Speaker 1: run multiple times unopposed, including after Tina was sentenced. That

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Speaker 1: should kind of show you that Masaun he's aok with

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Speaker 1: what he did because, by the way, she was indicted

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Speaker 1: by a grand jury and convicted by a jury of

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Speaker 1: her peers in accounting with only thirteen percent Republican. So

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Speaker 1: is a Republican grand jury Republican jury by a large

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Speaker 1: So do you really want the law and order das

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Speaker 1: a Republican to be overridden by police because police commuted

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Speaker 1: a sentence he never should have for the I seventy

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Speaker 1: truck driver, or because other district attorneys are weak on

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01:33:40,280 --> 01:33:45,000
Speaker 1: law and order and make terrible mistakes or intentionally do

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Speaker 1: things because they're politically progressive and very light on crime. No,

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Speaker 1: that's not how this should work. That's crazy. If my

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Speaker 1: wife doesn't get socks, it's a problem. I always give

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Speaker 1: fuzzy socks in her stocking. I gotta end on that.

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Speaker 1: Back to the socks discussion. That's it for me today.

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Speaker 1: Tomorrow Christmas Eve Eve will have a very special fun show.

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Speaker 2: Do not miss it from night to noon.

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Speaker 1: As I fill in for Michael Brown once again on KOWA,

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Speaker 1: I'm Jimmy Sangenberger. Have a great day, Merry Christmas, and

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Speaker 1: may God bless America.