WEBVTT - Reddington's Probable Cause Hail Mary 0:00:00.030 --> 0:00:07.320 617-266-6868 is the number. Pat in New Hampshire. Let's go 0:00:07.400 --> 0:00:10.620 right back to Pat. Pat, I thought you made a very, 0:00:10.660 --> 0:00:15.500 very interesting point. How it looks like, you know, on purpose, 0:00:15.620 --> 0:00:19.950 they don't want conservatives or just normal common sense people 0:00:20.970 --> 0:00:24.450 on juries anymore. Right. It's as if, you know, the 0:00:24.489 --> 0:00:30.790 more ideological, the more activist they are, the more determined 0:00:30.830 --> 0:00:33.790 they are one side or the other. Those are the 0:00:33.830 --> 0:00:36.510 kinds of people now they try to load up on juries. 0:00:37.390 --> 0:00:39.550 And I agree with you, Pat. I think it's going 0:00:39.570 --> 0:00:44.360 to eventually corrode and destroy our jury system. Pat, and 0:00:44.400 --> 0:00:48.240 so I thought you said something very interesting. If this trial, 0:00:48.300 --> 0:00:51.540 the Lindsay Clancy trial, if this were held in New Hampshire, 0:00:52.590 --> 0:00:55.960 you know, with normal people like you, and frankly, so 0:00:56.000 --> 0:00:58.840 many other, because we have a ton of country listeners 0:00:58.920 --> 0:01:02.330 up in New Hampshire. It's an army up there. I 0:01:02.390 --> 0:01:04.789 agree with you. I think that the verdict would have 0:01:04.810 --> 0:01:08.470 been a very different verdict. Please, Pat, pick up where 0:01:08.490 --> 0:01:09.080 you left off. 0:01:12.360 --> 0:01:15.260 If I was in Massachusetts, I would opt for an 0:01:15.420 --> 0:01:19.490 AI jury as opposed to— I don't know how you get 0:01:19.990 --> 0:01:23.670 white liberal women out of the potential jury pool because 0:01:24.069 --> 0:01:28.840 there's something mentally wrong with them. Any mother would say— 0:01:30.220 --> 0:01:32.819 if I was having problems, reach out to my mother, 0:01:32.840 --> 0:01:34.200 reach out to my sister. 0:01:34.819 --> 0:01:37.140 And this woman, if she was. 0:01:37.040 --> 0:01:42.720 Having problems, go ahead and kill yourself. You are the problem, 0:01:42.940 --> 0:01:46.740 not your kids. And also, I mean, these people that 0:01:46.940 --> 0:01:49.120 say the husband had something to do with it, the 0:01:49.180 --> 0:01:54.260 only thing he was guilty is of really neglecting to 0:01:55.240 --> 0:01:58.440 identify his wife having a real problem and putting his 0:01:58.620 --> 0:02:05.950 kids first. Because I didn't watch every single thing on this. 0:02:05.170 --> 0:02:09.250 Trial, obviously because I think she's guilty. But did they 0:02:09.310 --> 0:02:13.850 do DNA? Anybody else's fingerprints on those bands? 0:02:13.930 --> 0:02:18.109 And then if I was on that pool, she would 0:02:18.169 --> 0:02:22.160 be strangled with those cords. 0:02:22.960 --> 0:02:26.400 That's her punishment. Strangle her with those cords, okay? 0:02:28.280 --> 0:02:31.320 Pat, let me ask you this question, because I think 0:02:31.540 --> 0:02:33.839 you do raise a very good point about the husband. 0:02:34.930 --> 0:02:40.209 You know, I think if he's culpable, it's he's morally culpable. And, 0:02:40.510 --> 0:02:43.829 you know, let me just phrase it this way. Say 0:02:43.990 --> 0:02:49.740 your husband was, you know, battling for months, depression, maybe 0:02:49.760 --> 0:02:56.540 even bipolar, suicidal thoughts. He's calling a suicide hotline. He's 0:02:56.580 --> 0:03:01.170 seeing multiple psychiatrists, mental health professionals. They're giving him all 0:03:01.230 --> 0:03:06.049 kinds of medications. Nothing seems to be working. He's telling 0:03:06.090 --> 0:03:09.950 you now, he's increasingly thinking about killing himself. He then 0:03:10.050 --> 0:03:13.060 says to you, I'm even thinking about hurting or killing 0:03:13.180 --> 0:03:17.680 our children. To the point that you get so worried 0:03:18.540 --> 0:03:21.340 that you call up, as you said, your family, your mom, 0:03:21.460 --> 0:03:25.799 your sister, let's say even the in-laws, you know, his parents. 0:03:26.760 --> 0:03:31.010 and you have a serious discussion, should we remove the 0:03:31.090 --> 0:03:34.410 children out of the house? And, you know, let's just 0:03:34.450 --> 0:03:36.810 make up a name, you know, let's, John, let's say 0:03:36.830 --> 0:03:39.530 your husband's name is John. I'm just making it up. And, 0:03:39.710 --> 0:03:43.340 you know, because we got to get John help. Would 0:03:43.460 --> 0:03:50.320 your first instinct be, this is my husband. My husband's 0:03:50.360 --> 0:03:53.750 in trouble. My God, he's calling us, you know, multi, 0:03:53.760 --> 0:03:57.150 he's calling suicide hotlines. He's, put himself in a mental 0:03:57.190 --> 0:04:01.230 institution for nearly five days. He's crying out for help 0:04:02.170 --> 0:04:05.190 and he's thinking of killing himself and my kids. So, 0:04:05.630 --> 0:04:08.350 you know, to me, if this was my wife, whom 0:04:08.440 --> 0:04:11.200 I love, you know, she's my everything along with my children, 0:04:12.360 --> 0:04:15.660 get the children out of the house and then let 0:04:15.700 --> 0:04:21.120 me focus on my wife so she can get well again. That's, 0:04:21.440 --> 0:04:23.380 to me, that's, I don't know if I'm missing something. 0:04:23.820 --> 0:04:25.979 Would you do the same? Would you say, look, get 0:04:26.000 --> 0:04:29.640 the kids out because this is not healthy. This is dangerous. 0:04:30.400 --> 0:04:33.549 And then John, we're going to focus on John and 0:04:33.580 --> 0:04:35.370 we're going to get him right again, no matter what 0:04:35.430 --> 0:04:39.409 it takes. Would that be your reaction, Pat, or am 0:04:39.490 --> 0:04:40.510 I missing something here? 0:04:44.370 --> 0:04:48.830 Because as a mother, my first are the little ones. 0:04:49.990 --> 0:04:53.340 My husband is an adult. Get him out of the 0:04:53.380 --> 0:04:54.020 house because. 0:04:53.860 --> 0:04:56.620 He's not going to get help in the house by me. 0:04:56.640 --> 0:05:00.279 As much as I think that I know everything, I don't. 0:05:00.839 --> 0:05:04.409 But I would also. 0:05:04.690 --> 0:05:07.950 Be able to identify that there's an adult with a 0:05:07.990 --> 0:05:10.770 serious problem. And I also wouldn't want to be around 0:05:10.810 --> 0:05:11.750 him because guess what? 0:05:12.310 --> 0:05:18.070 Who do men attack first? The wife. Plus your scenario 0:05:18.089 --> 0:05:21.210 probably wouldn't work because most men blame women anyhow. That's 0:05:21.230 --> 0:05:22.330 just my opinion. 0:05:22.450 --> 0:05:23.130 No, no, no. 0:05:23.170 --> 0:05:23.630 No, no. 0:05:23.850 --> 0:05:24.530 Look, you're right. 0:05:25.040 --> 0:05:25.420 No, no, no. 0:05:25.450 --> 0:05:29.740 You're right. Honestly, you're right. So that's interesting. No, look, 0:05:30.080 --> 0:05:32.480 I agree with you, Pat. And I think that's why 0:05:32.740 --> 0:05:37.820 Patrick's family is very touchy. They're very, very touchy. I 0:05:37.860 --> 0:05:40.940 think everybody involved is very touchy because I think deep 0:05:40.980 --> 0:05:43.600 down they realize they should have taken the children out 0:05:43.640 --> 0:05:47.960 of the house. It's just a natural human reaction. You know, 0:05:48.000 --> 0:05:49.659 it's always, you know, what could I have done? What 0:05:49.700 --> 0:05:53.560 should I have done? And look, to me, the husband 0:05:53.600 --> 0:05:56.890 seemed to have checked out. And in that sense, I 0:05:56.950 --> 0:05:59.350 do feel bad for Lindsay. I mean, I know she's 0:05:59.390 --> 0:06:02.330 a monster and I know she killed her children. But, 0:06:02.850 --> 0:06:05.409 you know, by the end, you know, because she's saying, 0:06:06.360 --> 0:06:10.430 where's my husband? So it seems like, you know, not 0:06:10.490 --> 0:06:13.040 only was she overwhelmed with the three kids, I think 0:06:13.140 --> 0:06:16.599 he was overwhelmed with the whole situation. And he had 0:06:16.640 --> 0:06:21.620 a moral obligation to get his children out of that house. Okay, now, 0:06:21.800 --> 0:06:27.320 here it is. So, for six weeks, the nation was riveted. 0:06:28.520 --> 0:06:33.610 One of the most high-profile trials in recent memory. And 0:06:33.670 --> 0:06:36.810 at the heart of the defense's argument... and they said 0:06:36.850 --> 0:06:41.790 it over and over and over and over again. Lindsay 0:06:41.850 --> 0:06:49.080 Clancy killed her three children. Cora, five years old, Dawson, 0:06:49.420 --> 0:06:55.720 three years old, the boy, and Kaylin, eight-month-old baby boy. 0:06:57.620 --> 0:07:03.310 She strangled them using exercise bands in the basement of 0:07:03.350 --> 0:07:06.640 their house, one at a time, in the office of 0:07:06.700 --> 0:07:11.760 where Patrick Clancy, her husband at the time, worked. And then, 0:07:11.780 --> 0:07:16.540 this is what the defense admitted to, she then cut 0:07:16.580 --> 0:07:22.640 her wrists, cut her neck, and tried to throw herself, 0:07:22.700 --> 0:07:25.660 in fact, threw herself out of the second story window 0:07:27.380 --> 0:07:33.010 in an attempted suicide. She fell, and as she fell, 0:07:33.860 --> 0:07:37.600 she apparently smashed part of her body that led to 0:07:37.640 --> 0:07:43.570 her being paralyzed from the waist down. Now, their argument 0:07:43.650 --> 0:07:49.190 was she did it. However, she was suffering from a 0:07:49.270 --> 0:07:54.370 severe postpartum psychosis that for months and months and months, 0:08:01.000 --> 0:08:04.560 for months and months and months before then, She was 0:08:04.620 --> 0:08:09.720 slowly psychologically unraveling. She had suicide thoughts. She was suicidal. 0:08:10.160 --> 0:08:12.640 She was on a kind of all kinds of prescription medication. 0:08:12.700 --> 0:08:15.020 She was battling depression. She was trying to get help. 0:08:15.460 --> 0:08:18.070 She wasn't getting the help that she needed. She even, 0:08:18.130 --> 0:08:22.410 as I said, she admitted herself into a mental institution 0:08:22.470 --> 0:08:25.710 for up to five days. And so she was not 0:08:25.850 --> 0:08:32.400 guilty by reason of insanity. i.e. because she was psychotic 0:08:32.860 --> 0:08:36.860 or suffered a psychotic break. That was their entire defense. 0:08:38.340 --> 0:08:43.490 And 11 of the 12 jurors bought that defense, except 0:08:43.510 --> 0:08:46.930 for the one lone holdout juror, who we now know 0:08:47.030 --> 0:08:54.610 is known as Michael Desronville, a black man. Now, yesterday, 0:08:55.910 --> 0:09:00.300 Kevin Reddington turned all of this on a dime. He 0:09:00.340 --> 0:09:04.740 did a complete 180. The issue is no longer whether 0:09:04.780 --> 0:09:08.910 she was psychotic or whether insane. No, no, no, no. 0:09:09.910 --> 0:09:13.190 He filed a motion to not have a second trial 0:09:13.250 --> 0:09:15.890 or a retrial because they had a deadlock, they had 0:09:15.910 --> 0:09:19.550 a hung jury. He said to the judge, you have 0:09:19.590 --> 0:09:24.179 to acquit her now. Rule on this motion to acquit 0:09:24.200 --> 0:09:28.420 her completely. Not guilty. Not by reason of insanity. Just 0:09:28.640 --> 0:09:29.520 not guilty. 0:09:30.020 --> 0:09:30.360 Why? 0:09:31.240 --> 0:09:35.420 Because she didn't do it. And she didn't do it 0:09:36.320 --> 0:09:42.240 because there's no evidence that she did it. Now, listen 0:09:42.300 --> 0:09:47.679 now to him pushing his motion and making his case 0:09:47.720 --> 0:09:53.140 to the judge. It was a shocking, stunning turn of events. 0:09:54.420 --> 0:09:55.250 Roll cut 23, Mike. 0:09:59.920 --> 0:10:04.059 When you consider the evidence that the government has, you 0:10:04.100 --> 0:10:10.910 have the exercise bands, you have the woefully deficient DNA, 0:10:10.950 --> 0:10:14.650 you have the woefully deficient fingerprinting, you have the horrific, 0:10:15.790 --> 0:10:21.510 ridiculous investigations. using the term loosely by the police, there 0:10:21.570 --> 0:10:25.390 was no investigation. It was not even a horrendous investigation. 0:10:25.460 --> 0:10:27.020 There was no investigation. 0:10:27.640 --> 0:10:31.000 No evidence. This is what he's alleging now. No evidence, 0:10:31.400 --> 0:10:37.060 no investigation. Then he says this. Roll cut 23A. 0:10:37.520 --> 0:10:37.800 Mike. 0:10:39.970 --> 0:10:44.990 She has no shoes on. Why does she not have 0:10:45.050 --> 0:10:49.900 shoes on? It's 30 something degrees outside, there's snow, it's 0:10:49.940 --> 0:10:53.400 the winter, she has no shoes. She's wearing black socks. 0:10:53.480 --> 0:10:57.000 Where's the blood on the black socks? Where's the blood 0:10:57.160 --> 0:10:59.460 on the shoes? When did the shoes get taken off 0:10:59.660 --> 0:11:04.360 and why? Your Honor recalls looking at the blood spatter 0:11:04.460 --> 0:11:07.410 evidence and the drops on the floor. Where are the 0:11:07.550 --> 0:11:11.050 smears from a person who has just cut their wrists, 0:11:11.130 --> 0:11:14.400 cut their throat, is in a state of psychosis? that 0:11:14.440 --> 0:11:17.760 throws himself out a window, where are the smears from 0:11:17.780 --> 0:11:21.420 that person walking across the blood up to the window 0:11:22.340 --> 0:11:24.120 and then propelling himself out the window? 0:11:25.200 --> 0:11:29.150 There's no blood. There's no blood. According to him, there's 0:11:29.190 --> 0:11:32.650 no blood on the socks. There's no blood on the shoes. Hell, 0:11:32.670 --> 0:11:39.069 there's no blood anywhere. So there's no evidence, none whatsoever. 0:11:39.809 --> 0:11:43.190 There's no DNA. There wasn't even an investigation. Now there's 0:11:43.230 --> 0:11:50.130 no blood. Now, the medicine. Listen now to this. Roll 0:11:50.330 --> 0:11:52.570 cut 23B, Mike. 0:11:54.390 --> 0:11:59.130 Where is the evidence that the cup that was on 0:11:59.150 --> 0:12:06.000 the nightstand contained crushed up, not just medication, crushed up medication? 0:12:06.080 --> 0:12:08.780 Where is the evidence of that? Where does that come from? 0:12:09.360 --> 0:12:11.640 Did the police even seize that cup? 0:12:11.710 --> 0:12:11.770 No. 0:12:11.780 --> 0:12:11.870 No. 0:12:12.450 --> 0:12:15.270 Did they examine the residue, the white residue? 0:12:15.630 --> 0:12:15.870 No. 0:12:16.350 --> 0:12:20.030 Patrick said that in fact it was medication. Patrick said 0:12:20.070 --> 0:12:23.670 that in fact it was crushed up medication. Where is 0:12:23.710 --> 0:12:26.490 the crusher? Where's the pill crusher? Where were the two 0:12:26.530 --> 0:12:29.710 spoons to use the crusher? Where's the residue? Why is 0:12:29.770 --> 0:12:31.390 it not on the table? Why is it not on 0:12:31.429 --> 0:12:33.140 the floor? Why is it not on the bed? Why 0:12:33.220 --> 0:12:36.040 is there no blood on the bed with the copious bleeding? 0:12:37.360 --> 0:12:40.500 So there you go. And now he's saying, so he 0:12:40.559 --> 0:12:44.360 says he's basically casting doubt on the prosecution's entire case. 0:12:45.360 --> 0:12:47.990 Then he goes even further. Listen now to this, the 0:12:48.090 --> 0:12:52.450 exercise band. Listen now to this, that she used, you know, 0:12:52.550 --> 0:12:56.310 allegedly to murder her three kids. Roll cut 23C. 0:12:56.610 --> 0:12:56.930 Mike. 0:12:58.790 --> 0:13:01.079 Your Honor recalls the evidence of the removal of the 0:13:01.140 --> 0:13:06.610 bands from the children's necks, the horrific... experience and testimony 0:13:06.650 --> 0:13:08.970 that was presented as far as removal of the bands. 0:13:08.990 --> 0:13:11.969 The government's demonstration with Dr. Lopp decided that in fact 0:13:12.010 --> 0:13:15.250 the bands exploded wide open. They were not tagged. The 0:13:15.270 --> 0:13:17.679 runner heard the testimony that in fact they were tagged. 0:13:18.140 --> 0:13:22.440 This entire case is based on speculation. 0:13:23.200 --> 0:13:26.340 So now he claims that there wasn't even DNA or 0:13:26.440 --> 0:13:30.130 anything tested from the bands that was used around the 0:13:30.190 --> 0:13:33.820 necks of those three kids. So now he's saying it's 0:13:34.220 --> 0:13:40.180 all made up. It's all speculation. Everything. He goes even further. 0:13:41.240 --> 0:13:42.860 Roll cut 23D. 0:13:43.160 --> 0:13:43.520 Mike. 0:13:45.500 --> 0:13:50.030 The time frame does not match. Even the government in 0:13:50.070 --> 0:13:53.569 their own closing indicated to the jury that she did 0:13:53.630 --> 0:13:58.970 not have enough time to do this. The timeline is 0:13:59.070 --> 0:14:03.540 ridiculous as far as him leaving the house. sending off 0:14:03.580 --> 0:14:07.140 the 524 email, whether it was from his laptop, whether 0:14:07.160 --> 0:14:10.910 it was from his cell phone, driving the CVS, driving 0:14:10.950 --> 0:14:13.330 down to the restaurant to pick up the food. You 0:14:13.350 --> 0:14:16.330 got videos from both of those places. He's coming back. 0:14:16.730 --> 0:14:18.790 He's got shoes. He takes his boots off, is what 0:14:18.809 --> 0:14:21.369 he says. Your honor can see in the photographs as 0:14:21.410 --> 0:14:24.090 far as the sneakers are concerned. Whatever he takes off, 0:14:24.130 --> 0:14:26.850 he takes it off. The time frame does not match. 0:14:26.870 --> 0:14:31.250 So now he's saying she didn't even have the time frame. 0:14:32.370 --> 0:14:38.010 To murder the three kids. Like it's no evidence. It's 0:14:38.230 --> 0:14:42.640 all pure made up. It's speculation. And now she didn't 0:14:42.700 --> 0:14:46.820 have the time to murder her three children. And then 0:14:46.860 --> 0:14:53.220 he throws one more. He says the body temperature of Lindsay. 0:14:54.250 --> 0:14:57.610 Listen now to this. After she threw herself out the window, 0:14:58.010 --> 0:15:01.300 she's lying on the ground. It's whatever, 30 degrees, whatever, 0:15:01.300 --> 0:15:06.500 35 degrees outside, whatever it was. Roll cut 23E, Mike. 0:15:07.460 --> 0:15:12.840 The core body temperature. If you talk to a perfusionist, 0:15:12.920 --> 0:15:16.970 the perfusionist would indicate that it would take at least 0:15:16.990 --> 0:15:20.980 two hours to for a human being to get down 0:15:21.000 --> 0:15:25.680 to a core body temperature of 82 degrees, they would 0:15:25.740 --> 0:15:29.420 have to warm the blood, which they did in the hospital, 0:15:29.700 --> 0:15:33.490 to bring that person to the level where they're not 0:15:33.550 --> 0:15:36.590 ready to expire. And in fact, Your Honor knows that 0:15:36.650 --> 0:15:42.730 she did obviously expire. She died in the hospital. Massive transfusions. 0:15:43.990 --> 0:15:46.890 And it just goes on and on and on. 0:15:48.390 --> 0:15:53.810 Okay. Now, If all this is true, okay, and you 0:15:53.830 --> 0:15:56.030 can easily punch holes in much of this, but I'm 0:15:56.050 --> 0:15:59.970 just standing back for a second. Why didn't you present 0:16:00.030 --> 0:16:04.640 this in your first trial? If I'm just going by what, 0:16:04.720 --> 0:16:07.040 you know, what the BSer is now saying, what this, 0:16:07.080 --> 0:16:10.900 you know, what Reddington is now saying. If there's no 0:16:10.960 --> 0:16:18.780 DNA evidence, if the exercise bands apparently exploded and And 0:16:18.870 --> 0:16:22.570 they didn't even, you know, properly get DNA off of it. 0:16:23.530 --> 0:16:25.810 And there's no blood on her socks. And there's no 0:16:25.850 --> 0:16:32.270 blood on her shoes. And there's, you know, the crushed medicine. 0:16:32.310 --> 0:16:36.890 Where's the crusher? And the time frame. She couldn't have 0:16:36.930 --> 0:16:40.950 killed him in that time. And the body temperature. So 0:16:41.490 --> 0:16:45.530 if all of this is so woefully, the investigation was 0:16:45.590 --> 0:16:49.690 so pathetic, actually says non-existent, there was no investigation. Okay, 0:16:49.810 --> 0:16:52.590 I want to ask all of you, before I go 0:16:52.610 --> 0:16:59.910 to Maria in New Hampshire, if Lindsay Clancy did not 0:17:00.220 --> 0:17:04.379 murder her three children, as now they claim and her 0:17:04.420 --> 0:17:09.020 defense lawyer Kevin Reddington claims, then my question to you is, 0:17:09.540 --> 0:17:14.060 who did? And I really would like, there's a lot 0:17:14.100 --> 0:17:17.540 of people out there who are convinced that Lindsay Clancy 0:17:17.720 --> 0:17:20.399 is innocent, even this audience. I mean, I'm not just 0:17:20.420 --> 0:17:22.659 talking in general. There are some of you, I've been 0:17:22.680 --> 0:17:26.490 getting texts all morning and emails and messages, but no 0:17:26.530 --> 0:17:29.730 one's calling in. So I'd like to hear from people 0:17:29.790 --> 0:17:33.370 who think that she is innocent or she has been framed. 0:17:34.710 --> 0:17:41.080 If she didn't do it, who did and why? I 0:17:41.119 --> 0:17:44.340 would love to hear from the people who believe that 0:17:44.420 --> 0:17:48.880 Lindsay has been framed and that this woman is basically 0:17:48.940 --> 0:17:53.500 being railroaded and that she is being framed for a 0:17:53.540 --> 0:18:00.879 crime that she did not commit. 617-266-6868 is the number. 0:18:01.480 --> 0:18:05.919 Maria in New Hampshire. Thanks for holding, Maria, and welcome. 0:18:07.440 --> 0:18:08.610 Hi, good morning, Joe. 0:18:08.650 --> 0:18:10.070 Maria, nice to hear from you. 0:18:11.040 --> 0:18:11.560 You too. 0:18:12.880 --> 0:18:14.980 I am going to go in the opposite direction. 0:18:15.740 --> 0:18:19.400 When I heard all this yesterday, all that came into 0:18:19.440 --> 0:18:24.820 my head was that this woman was a pediatric nurse. 0:18:27.960 --> 0:18:34.740 How do we know that she didn't fake everything? They 0:18:35.480 --> 0:18:39.879 said that she didn't take all of her medication as prescribed. 0:18:40.440 --> 0:18:46.490 She wasn't at levels that she would have been if 0:18:47.470 --> 0:18:50.990 she was taking everything as prescribed. And she was around 0:18:52.400 --> 0:18:58.220 expecting and already delivered mothers on a regular basis. How 0:18:58.240 --> 0:19:04.109 do we know that? She didn't pre-plan everything. 0:19:04.390 --> 0:19:05.250 How do we know that? 0:19:07.619 --> 0:19:11.640 That's a very, very interesting point. And so you're saying 0:19:11.680 --> 0:19:16.330 that she then deliberately murdered her three children and then 0:19:16.350 --> 0:19:20.590 killed you know, basically staged her own suicide attempt. I mean, 0:19:20.619 --> 0:19:23.689 she cuts herself and throws herself out the window to 0:19:23.710 --> 0:19:27.590 make it look like a genuine suicide attempt, but knowing 0:19:27.750 --> 0:19:32.030 that she could, you know, then concoct this postpartum psychosis 0:19:32.150 --> 0:19:33.649 insanity defense, correct? 0:19:34.720 --> 0:19:35.060 Yeah. 0:19:35.440 --> 0:19:38.219 I mean, we all know that she knew a way 0:19:38.260 --> 0:19:41.419 to cut herself. She didn't cut herself to die. 0:19:41.740 --> 0:19:42.550 We all know that. 0:19:42.900 --> 0:19:45.149 And she jumped out of a second. I'm looking at 0:19:45.190 --> 0:19:47.530 my second floor window. I'm not going to die if 0:19:47.590 --> 0:19:50.980 I jump out of it. Yeah. I don't think she, 0:19:51.260 --> 0:19:53.800 you know, factored in, oh, you know, maybe I could 0:19:53.840 --> 0:20:00.639 land wrong, but she knew how to cut herself. And again, she, 0:20:00.859 --> 0:20:05.300 she had been around expecting and already delivered moms for, 0:20:05.480 --> 0:20:11.440 for how many years? And, you know, what I thought 0:20:11.480 --> 0:20:14.840 at the very beginning was that her husband was cheating 0:20:14.940 --> 0:20:17.740 on her and she found out why else. Why would 0:20:17.780 --> 0:20:22.600 she murder her children in his office? I think it 0:20:22.660 --> 0:20:27.119 all ties in. And now with the complete flip of 0:20:27.560 --> 0:20:29.119 what Reddington is doing, I. 0:20:30.920 --> 0:20:31.320 Don't know. 0:20:31.560 --> 0:20:33.270 That's that's just what I think. 0:20:34.369 --> 0:20:38.010 Do you think his claim now that she didn't do 0:20:38.090 --> 0:20:40.840 it at all, in other words, this reversal in their defense, 0:20:41.700 --> 0:20:44.859 does this make her look more or less guilty in 0:20:44.900 --> 0:20:45.699 your view, Maria? 0:20:47.560 --> 0:20:53.020 And I can't imagine, even these crazy women in Massachusetts, 0:20:53.540 --> 0:20:57.620 how can you eat that up and say, oh yeah, okay, 0:20:58.040 --> 0:20:59.590 all right, I'm still on her side. 0:21:01.510 --> 0:21:03.970 He completely flipped the story. 0:21:05.430 --> 0:21:08.280 How can you take any of this seriously now? 0:21:09.890 --> 0:21:16.280 Maria, I'm with you all the way. I'm with you 0:21:16.359 --> 0:21:20.700 all the way. I think in his mind, he thought 0:21:20.720 --> 0:21:23.780 this was going to be a brilliant strategy. And I 0:21:23.840 --> 0:21:26.000 agree with you. I think it's blowing up in his face. 0:21:27.560 --> 0:21:30.419 I've noticed a change on today's show. There were many 0:21:30.580 --> 0:21:37.959 more pro-Lindsey listeners. who were in her corner before. Now 0:21:38.119 --> 0:21:40.440 I'm still getting some, and that's why I'm inviting them 0:21:40.480 --> 0:21:42.480 to call in because I want to be fair to everybody, 0:21:43.070 --> 0:21:46.470 who are still convinced she's innocent. Many of them believe 0:21:46.490 --> 0:21:50.750 the husband did it. That's the prevailing theory. But it's 0:21:50.830 --> 0:21:53.790 not like it was before. It's like the air was 0:21:53.830 --> 0:21:57.070 taken out of the pro-Lindsey camp. It's like a lot 0:21:57.090 --> 0:21:58.929 of the air has been taken out of their balloon 0:21:59.430 --> 0:22:03.370 with that defense that they came up with yesterday. Maria, 0:22:03.450 --> 0:22:07.220 thank you very much for that call. Susan in Whitman. 0:22:07.400 --> 0:22:09.700 Thanks for holding, Susan, and welcome. 0:22:11.800 --> 0:22:12.200 Morning. 0:22:12.220 --> 0:22:13.980 Hi, Susan. 0:22:14.460 --> 0:22:18.080 Good morning, America. Everyone go out and vote November 3rd, 0:22:18.180 --> 0:22:19.740 even if you hate Republicans' vote. 0:22:20.070 --> 0:22:21.910 I'm going to tell you all a little story. 0:22:22.790 --> 0:22:27.310 Okay, Susan. You were like a normal person. You sounded normal, 0:22:27.350 --> 0:22:31.439 your voice. And then I'm not kidding. I want to 0:22:31.460 --> 0:22:36.060 tell you a story. It's just, whoa, something happened. So 0:22:36.100 --> 0:22:39.660 let's see if we can reconnect with you and, yeah, 0:22:39.680 --> 0:22:43.860 not have you sound like you're on super slow motion. Okay, Susan, 0:22:44.200 --> 0:22:45.220 do we have you back? 0:22:46.359 --> 0:22:46.760 Do you? 0:22:46.920 --> 0:22:49.660 Do you hear me? Well, now you sound like a robot. 0:22:50.740 --> 0:22:53.700 We got the speed right, Mike. We got the speed right. 0:22:54.420 --> 0:22:56.810 But I need her to sound like a human being. 0:22:57.880 --> 0:22:59.310 All right, Susan, how about now? 0:23:00.330 --> 0:23:00.950 How about now? 0:23:01.010 --> 0:23:04.850 Yes, the third time's the charm. Okay, please, go ahead, Susan. 0:23:04.869 --> 0:23:07.149 Because I have something really important to say. 0:23:07.190 --> 0:23:08.230 Yes, yes, go ahead. 0:23:08.230 --> 0:23:12.660 24 years ago, I had to take my daughter, Ava Marie, 0:23:13.020 --> 0:23:16.420 off a breathing machine. And let me tell you something. 0:23:16.780 --> 0:23:18.010 To all those sick. 0:23:19.290 --> 0:23:22.970 Children that are in... right now, that mothers would take 0:23:23.010 --> 0:23:26.030 their own lives for their children. I was going to 0:23:26.430 --> 0:23:29.149 the top of the building to jump to kill myself. 0:23:29.710 --> 0:23:32.149 And if Lindsay was really going to kill herself, she 0:23:32.190 --> 0:23:34.030 would have gone a hell of a lot higher. And 0:23:35.090 --> 0:23:39.010 second of all, she is a murderer. There were no 0:23:39.090 --> 0:23:42.130 drugs in her system. And I'm going to tell you 0:23:42.280 --> 0:23:46.139 all something, the truth that America doesn't want to hear. 0:23:46.520 --> 0:23:49.180 Her family's just as much to blame. I have a 0:23:49.240 --> 0:23:53.750 daughter now. same age children as Lindsay. And if I 0:23:53.790 --> 0:23:58.610 thought for one minute something was wrong, those children would 0:23:58.650 --> 0:24:03.300 be out of her hands. I sympathize with postpartum. I 0:24:03.359 --> 0:24:07.000 knew about this before the Lindsay Clancy trial. And I 0:24:07.040 --> 0:24:10.080 was aware and I was on tuned with my daughter. 0:24:10.440 --> 0:24:11.600 Shame on her family. 0:24:11.940 --> 0:24:15.580 That's the truth, whether any of you like it or not. 0:24:16.880 --> 0:24:21.500 Susan, do you what do you think now? They said 0:24:21.580 --> 0:24:26.469 she did it, but she was psychotic or insane. Now 0:24:26.970 --> 0:24:31.090 she didn't do it. Somebody else did it. There's no 0:24:31.210 --> 0:24:36.410 evidence she did it. I'm just curious, Susan, what's your reaction? 0:24:36.450 --> 0:24:38.760 Does this make her look more or less guilty in 0:24:38.800 --> 0:24:42.340 your view? More or less sympathetic in your view? 0:24:43.720 --> 0:24:45.780 It makes me more angry. And let me tell you 0:24:45.840 --> 0:24:49.730 people who's watching, God's watching. God help you, Lindsay Clancy. 0:24:50.010 --> 0:24:51.190 God help you, the lawyer. 0:24:51.430 --> 0:24:53.130 You ever walking on my side. 0:24:52.930 --> 0:24:54.869 Of the street, you better cross it. 0:24:55.190 --> 0:24:57.060 You better cross it. 0:24:57.380 --> 0:25:00.280 And to all you Looney Tunes out there on TikTok, 0:25:01.619 --> 0:25:06.150 Mental problems, get out of your own head. Go volunteer 0:25:06.190 --> 0:25:09.330 at a hospital, at a shelter, to all these homeless 0:25:09.390 --> 0:25:11.970 people on the street that you want to feed. Go 0:25:12.030 --> 0:25:14.449 feed them. Get out of your own self. That's the 0:25:14.510 --> 0:25:17.900 problem with America. You're too much on your phones and 0:25:17.920 --> 0:25:20.700 in your head, and you're away from God, period. 0:25:21.520 --> 0:25:24.740 Susan, thank you very much for that call. I really 0:25:24.800 --> 0:25:28.629 appreciate it. Okay, let's squeeze one more in before Dr. 0:25:28.670 --> 0:25:33.689 Grace comes on. Mike in New Hampshire. Thanks for holding, Mike, 0:25:34.150 --> 0:25:34.649 and welcome. 0:25:37.840 --> 0:25:38.659 Yes. 0:25:39.480 --> 0:25:40.040 Go ahead, Mike. 0:25:40.440 --> 0:25:42.800 Did anybody try blaming the one-armed man yet? 0:25:47.240 --> 0:25:51.930 So I guess you think she's guilty, Mike. Oh, guilty 0:25:52.010 --> 0:25:52.330 is sin. 0:25:52.960 --> 0:25:54.830 I think she planned it the whole time. I think 0:25:54.869 --> 0:25:57.310 this whole plea for help was playing the groundwork for 0:25:57.350 --> 0:25:57.890 her defense. 0:25:59.970 --> 0:26:03.649