1 00:00:29,400 --> 00:00:33,440 Speaker 1: Welcome back. You are listening to Let's Guarden with Scott Berlin. 2 00:00:33,479 --> 00:00:37,160 Speaker 1: I'm here with Jennifer Smith from Wimburg Landscaping here in town, 3 00:00:37,680 --> 00:00:40,199 Speaker 1: and in just a second we'll talk to Irvin Atn 4 00:00:40,280 --> 00:00:44,960 Speaker 1: from Newfields in Indianapolis. A great Olmsted garden. But I 5 00:00:45,080 --> 00:00:47,720 Speaker 1: just wanted to mention real quick before we do that. Jennifer, 6 00:00:47,760 --> 00:00:50,440 Speaker 1: you had a great newsletter on the Wimberg website that 7 00:00:50,479 --> 00:00:53,320 Speaker 1: I caught. It came out Thursday or Friday, I think, 8 00:00:53,800 --> 00:00:58,320 Speaker 1: and you made a really good point that we should 9 00:00:58,320 --> 00:01:01,279 Speaker 1: give ourselves. How did you phrase this of ourselves? Full permission? 10 00:01:01,320 --> 00:01:02,120 Speaker 1: If not hard? 11 00:01:02,360 --> 00:01:03,480 Speaker 2: A hard order? 12 00:01:03,960 --> 00:01:06,319 Speaker 1: The purchase plants that may not be in bloom on 13 00:01:06,400 --> 00:01:10,720 Speaker 1: Mother's Day, well said very important. Everybody buys their plants 14 00:01:10,720 --> 00:01:13,280 Speaker 1: on Mother's Day. They buy what's in bloom and what 15 00:01:13,480 --> 00:01:18,000 Speaker 1: the rest of the year. Starkness, starkness. It's bad, it's bad, 16 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:20,960 Speaker 1: It's really bad. You said that there's truly no wrong 17 00:01:21,160 --> 00:01:24,440 Speaker 1: way to arrange your plants, meaning. 18 00:01:24,200 --> 00:01:25,880 Speaker 2: That well. 19 00:01:27,520 --> 00:01:30,000 Speaker 3: You get into a group and block and matrix. I 20 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:32,440 Speaker 3: think people are stressing out over it. I'm like, just 21 00:01:32,840 --> 00:01:33,319 Speaker 3: do what you. 22 00:01:33,280 --> 00:01:33,680 Speaker 4: Want to do. 23 00:01:34,160 --> 00:01:36,600 Speaker 1: Your tall plants in front of short ones. But yeah, yes, okay, 24 00:01:36,880 --> 00:01:39,360 Speaker 1: and I like this last point too. What's most important 25 00:01:39,360 --> 00:01:41,800 Speaker 1: to consider is what you like and how you want 26 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:44,360 Speaker 1: to garden. Your garden should reflect your personality. 27 00:01:44,640 --> 00:01:45,600 Speaker 2: A men. 28 00:01:45,840 --> 00:01:50,880 Speaker 1: You also mentioned our friend, your core cohort, Sarah Geiger Bean, 29 00:01:51,800 --> 00:01:54,600 Speaker 1: is giving a talk on May nineteenth at Wimberg called. 30 00:01:54,440 --> 00:01:56,280 Speaker 2: Think like a Bee. Isn't that cool? 31 00:01:56,400 --> 00:01:56,480 Speaker 5: Ye? 32 00:01:58,120 --> 00:02:02,280 Speaker 1: So making gardens that reflect your own personality. This is 33 00:02:02,280 --> 00:02:03,240 Speaker 1: where Irvin comes in. 34 00:02:03,320 --> 00:02:06,480 Speaker 2: Irvin, are you there, I'm here. 35 00:02:07,880 --> 00:02:13,400 Speaker 1: Can you imagine making a garden that's not reflecting your personality? 36 00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:15,000 Speaker 4: Oh? 37 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:20,720 Speaker 5: That would be torture, true torture. No one should be 38 00:02:20,760 --> 00:02:24,799 Speaker 5: forced to do that. I mean you you obviously your 39 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:27,000 Speaker 5: home garden, and you have your work garden. And the 40 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:30,440 Speaker 5: work garden has to be more than you probably, But 41 00:02:30,960 --> 00:02:34,960 Speaker 5: at home mm hmm. Yeah, buy what you love, plant 42 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:39,320 Speaker 5: what you love. It's your it's time, energy. 43 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:39,520 Speaker 4: And money. 44 00:02:40,639 --> 00:02:41,400 Speaker 2: Without a doubt. 45 00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:44,040 Speaker 1: You do work at new fields, which is, like I 46 00:02:44,160 --> 00:02:47,000 Speaker 1: just said, an omestead designed public garden. 47 00:02:48,360 --> 00:02:52,960 Speaker 5: Brothers Okay, brothers firm, the homestead themselves did not do 48 00:02:53,040 --> 00:02:53,480 Speaker 5: the design. 49 00:02:53,720 --> 00:02:59,840 Speaker 1: Ah, okay, good point, but it's a classic homestead. Look, yeah, 50 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:03,480 Speaker 1: it's there with the Indianapolis Museum of Art, a lot 51 00:03:03,520 --> 00:03:07,160 Speaker 1: of resources and effort put into it, into the gardens 52 00:03:07,160 --> 00:03:10,280 Speaker 1: in the last decade maybe, and the. 53 00:03:10,200 --> 00:03:13,720 Speaker 2: Place last especially, And I'm just going to. 54 00:03:13,760 --> 00:03:17,560 Speaker 1: Say, if you're ever in that Indianapolis area or even. 55 00:03:17,360 --> 00:03:19,120 Speaker 2: Maybe as a destination, go there. 56 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:21,440 Speaker 1: It's a great art museum, but it's really a great 57 00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:25,760 Speaker 1: garden easy from here. Yeah, and you might even see 58 00:03:25,760 --> 00:03:26,720 Speaker 1: Irvan in the gardens. 59 00:03:28,200 --> 00:03:33,120 Speaker 2: You just might. You're also a blogger and writer. 60 00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:37,600 Speaker 1: You've got all kinds of awards, and you were featured 61 00:03:37,640 --> 00:03:41,080 Speaker 1: in the Max what was it, the Max Garden Gardens 62 00:03:41,120 --> 00:03:44,320 Speaker 1: to the Max Chase of Woodards recent books. 63 00:03:44,320 --> 00:03:46,480 Speaker 2: So that's all cool. Your new garden. 64 00:03:46,720 --> 00:03:49,080 Speaker 1: I mean, how long ago was it you took your 65 00:03:49,240 --> 00:03:52,640 Speaker 1: entire city garden and moved it to the country. 66 00:03:52,720 --> 00:03:54,640 Speaker 2: That was what five or six years ago? 67 00:03:56,280 --> 00:03:58,360 Speaker 5: It will be seven in all seven. 68 00:03:58,640 --> 00:04:00,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, time flies, I. 69 00:04:00,840 --> 00:04:03,760 Speaker 5: Could stupidly so stupidly so. 70 00:04:04,760 --> 00:04:08,360 Speaker 1: And your garden was packed with mostly a lot of tropicals, 71 00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:11,680 Speaker 1: but a lot of just great plants, and you just 72 00:04:11,720 --> 00:04:15,440 Speaker 1: boxed it up and took it. I can't imagine what 73 00:04:15,440 --> 00:04:17,920 Speaker 1: what an effort that must have been. 74 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:23,360 Speaker 5: Not everything made it, but when I moved everything, I 75 00:04:23,480 --> 00:04:29,880 Speaker 5: stored every tons of stuff at Chad Frainger's house. And 76 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:32,600 Speaker 5: I had three hundred some pots that I. 77 00:04:32,600 --> 00:04:36,000 Speaker 2: Moved, three hundred pots of plants. 78 00:04:36,320 --> 00:04:39,600 Speaker 5: Of hardy plants. I didn't count the delicate. 79 00:04:39,200 --> 00:04:42,520 Speaker 1: Stuff, which had to be at least as much more, 80 00:04:42,560 --> 00:04:45,960 Speaker 1: I would think, because you're such a collector of bananas 81 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:46,719 Speaker 1: and can is. 82 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:49,560 Speaker 2: Yeah. 83 00:04:49,800 --> 00:04:54,760 Speaker 1: And if that weren't enough, you also hauled rabbits and 84 00:04:54,880 --> 00:05:00,440 Speaker 1: ducks and chickens who finally got their chicken their country life, 85 00:05:00,480 --> 00:05:04,919 Speaker 1: you know out there in the in the uh uh, 86 00:05:05,160 --> 00:05:08,880 Speaker 1: what do you say, the rural part of Indiana rural? 87 00:05:09,320 --> 00:05:12,719 Speaker 5: Yes, yes, in the open fields surrounded by open fields 88 00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:14,640 Speaker 5: and lots of wind, lots. 89 00:05:14,360 --> 00:05:17,240 Speaker 2: And lots of wind, which is not easy with tropical plants. 90 00:05:18,720 --> 00:05:21,120 Speaker 5: No, there's some issues on occasion. 91 00:05:22,040 --> 00:05:23,200 Speaker 2: And you feel this garden up. 92 00:05:23,240 --> 00:05:25,520 Speaker 1: I mean, how big is your garden now in in 93 00:05:25,520 --> 00:05:26,280 Speaker 1: in the country. 94 00:05:29,400 --> 00:05:32,279 Speaker 5: Honestly, the first year I put in four or five 95 00:05:32,320 --> 00:05:38,200 Speaker 5: thousand square feet and I don't I've lost track since then. Yeah, 96 00:05:38,279 --> 00:05:42,760 Speaker 5: And to be brutally honest, and you know, guarden's all 97 00:05:42,760 --> 00:05:46,839 Speaker 5: about honesty, right, except we don't want anybody to know anything. 98 00:05:49,800 --> 00:05:52,320 Speaker 2: We'll just start the truth once in a while. 99 00:05:53,520 --> 00:05:55,480 Speaker 5: Yeah, what's in a lot of where'd you get that? 100 00:05:56,360 --> 00:05:56,880 Speaker 4: I don't know. 101 00:05:58,880 --> 00:06:04,120 Speaker 5: Uh, Anyway, I have not readed my Shade Garden three years, 102 00:06:04,120 --> 00:06:08,760 Speaker 5: so this is my summer of salvaging the shade Garden. 103 00:06:10,600 --> 00:06:14,120 Speaker 5: It's just life gets busy, and I've discovered that in 104 00:06:15,040 --> 00:06:18,560 Speaker 5: space the last couple of years. But you know, it's 105 00:06:19,040 --> 00:06:22,359 Speaker 5: it is what it is, and you roll with the punches. 106 00:06:23,200 --> 00:06:27,240 Speaker 5: I'm slowly, very very slowly trying to accept that I 107 00:06:27,279 --> 00:06:30,200 Speaker 5: didn't get done, and it's okay. 108 00:06:31,680 --> 00:06:35,919 Speaker 1: I just I'm imagining, like looking from space, you're looking 109 00:06:35,960 --> 00:06:39,120 Speaker 1: on Google Earth, and you're looking at your garden out 110 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:43,320 Speaker 1: in the country, jam packed with plants and tropical plants 111 00:06:43,400 --> 00:06:47,920 Speaker 1: and things, surrounded by farm fields and farmers. 112 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:50,839 Speaker 2: Yes, how have the neighbors responded? 113 00:06:52,640 --> 00:06:55,400 Speaker 5: I one time, I've phoned a friend of mine that 114 00:06:55,480 --> 00:06:58,000 Speaker 5: lives out here also, and I'm going to comment, probably 115 00:06:58,040 --> 00:07:00,679 Speaker 5: on Facebook, but some I'd say, what are the people 116 00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:04,039 Speaker 5: saying out like I? No one's ever said anything. I 117 00:07:04,040 --> 00:07:06,240 Speaker 5: don't know if they even notice. And this friend of 118 00:07:06,240 --> 00:07:08,280 Speaker 5: mine was like, oh, they notice. 119 00:07:08,800 --> 00:07:09,240 Speaker 4: We know. 120 00:07:10,840 --> 00:07:11,520 Speaker 2: They're talking. 121 00:07:13,120 --> 00:07:18,680 Speaker 5: Obviously, those of us of a certain personality quirk, our 122 00:07:18,720 --> 00:07:21,640 Speaker 5: gardens look different from everybody else, and we have usually 123 00:07:21,680 --> 00:07:25,000 Speaker 5: more than everybody else, and no one has this, And 124 00:07:25,040 --> 00:07:28,360 Speaker 5: I mean, you know, they. 125 00:07:28,240 --> 00:07:33,760 Speaker 1: Probably just think you're this eccentric country gardener from you 126 00:07:33,840 --> 00:07:34,960 Speaker 1: probably came from England. 127 00:07:36,880 --> 00:07:39,080 Speaker 5: Don't follow the weird old guy down the road. 128 00:07:39,160 --> 00:07:40,040 Speaker 4: Just don't bother him. 129 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:41,840 Speaker 5: He's weeding. 130 00:07:42,120 --> 00:07:45,200 Speaker 2: He might be dangerous. We don't know. We don't know. 131 00:07:45,280 --> 00:07:48,640 Speaker 5: Frankie when he's in the middle of weedy, hasn't planet 132 00:07:48,640 --> 00:07:49,560 Speaker 5: itally as yet. 133 00:07:52,880 --> 00:07:57,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, he's all upset because he's behind, as we always are. 134 00:07:58,840 --> 00:08:02,400 Speaker 5: Yeah, and that's you know, I don't know what to 135 00:08:02,440 --> 00:08:03,000 Speaker 5: say about it. 136 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:04,200 Speaker 4: It's what I do. 137 00:08:04,480 --> 00:08:06,680 Speaker 5: The kind of garden I do is not for the 138 00:08:06,760 --> 00:08:09,680 Speaker 5: vast majority of people, and I'm okay with that, and 139 00:08:09,720 --> 00:08:12,640 Speaker 5: they should be okay with that. And whatever I give 140 00:08:13,040 --> 00:08:17,640 Speaker 5: lectures or write some article about it or whatever. I 141 00:08:17,680 --> 00:08:21,800 Speaker 5: don't expect anybody to do what I'm doing. But they 142 00:08:21,840 --> 00:08:26,360 Speaker 5: can get ideas of plants, to use, ways to arrange plants. 143 00:08:27,600 --> 00:08:30,960 Speaker 5: You know, you don't want a hundred square feet of 144 00:08:31,040 --> 00:08:35,160 Speaker 5: cannons and dahlias, of course, not got brain function probably, 145 00:08:36,640 --> 00:08:39,800 Speaker 5: but you might have two or three containers you want 146 00:08:39,800 --> 00:08:42,760 Speaker 5: to throw some in and you can do this, you know, 147 00:08:42,840 --> 00:08:45,360 Speaker 5: whatever I'm thrown in the ground in the spring could 148 00:08:45,400 --> 00:08:48,360 Speaker 5: go into a container instead, but then I wouldn't water 149 00:08:48,440 --> 00:08:51,520 Speaker 5: and it would die. 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I'm here 200 00:12:06,920 --> 00:12:11,600 Speaker 1: with Jennifer Smith and and also with Irvin atn one 201 00:12:11,640 --> 00:12:15,160 Speaker 1: of my favorite people and a great gardener, uh and 202 00:12:15,640 --> 00:12:18,079 Speaker 1: kind of a superstar sort of in a way. Irvan 203 00:12:18,200 --> 00:12:24,000 Speaker 1: I mentioned that you know almost every professional horticulturist that 204 00:12:24,120 --> 00:12:27,240 Speaker 1: I know. Uh, they get their fill of gardening during 205 00:12:27,280 --> 00:12:30,640 Speaker 1: their work hours and go home to relatively small gardens. 206 00:12:31,559 --> 00:12:34,800 Speaker 1: You're you're on the extreme opposite of that, that spectrum. 207 00:12:35,800 --> 00:12:40,319 Speaker 1: You're your passion for your passion for horticulture, for gardens 208 00:12:40,320 --> 00:12:44,280 Speaker 1: and plants. Is is is you know, in the Michael 209 00:12:44,360 --> 00:12:48,160 Speaker 1: Jordan kind of elevation of of of the. 210 00:12:48,120 --> 00:12:49,800 Speaker 5: World without the page. 211 00:12:49,520 --> 00:12:53,600 Speaker 1: Without how do you keep it together? How do you 212 00:12:53,800 --> 00:12:55,560 Speaker 1: how do you do you ever burn out? 213 00:12:57,480 --> 00:12:57,600 Speaker 8: Oh? 214 00:12:57,720 --> 00:13:01,200 Speaker 2: Yes, that's actually glad to hear that. 215 00:13:03,320 --> 00:13:08,920 Speaker 5: Last summer or yeah, last summer I got things in 216 00:13:09,040 --> 00:13:13,160 Speaker 5: late especially dalias and the elephant ear type things, the 217 00:13:13,200 --> 00:13:18,800 Speaker 5: colocasia allocasia nonsense, and then we had dry, a dry 218 00:13:18,840 --> 00:13:19,480 Speaker 5: summer here. 219 00:13:21,200 --> 00:13:23,199 Speaker 8: I was dry here than forty. 220 00:13:22,960 --> 00:13:26,640 Speaker 5: Miles west at work, and I'm on a whale, so 221 00:13:26,679 --> 00:13:29,640 Speaker 5: I'm not watering all the time. I try to get 222 00:13:29,640 --> 00:13:32,160 Speaker 5: things established and I do a little bit anyway. By 223 00:13:32,280 --> 00:13:38,240 Speaker 5: fall the Daluas where the collocations and stuff were just crap, 224 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:43,600 Speaker 5: and it was like, you all are not coming in 225 00:13:43,640 --> 00:13:44,520 Speaker 5: the house this winter. 226 00:13:45,080 --> 00:13:45,400 Speaker 4: I'm not. 227 00:13:46,280 --> 00:13:49,280 Speaker 5: I don't have the energy. I don't know that you 228 00:13:49,320 --> 00:13:52,760 Speaker 5: would make it even And so I was like, die 229 00:13:52,840 --> 00:13:57,679 Speaker 5: and live a happy life someplace else. And so there 230 00:13:58,200 --> 00:14:02,319 Speaker 5: you have moments like that, and my my only thing 231 00:14:02,320 --> 00:14:05,000 Speaker 5: there is it was something you know that was truly special, 232 00:14:05,559 --> 00:14:09,440 Speaker 5: maybe something I could not find possibly again, or something 233 00:14:09,480 --> 00:14:13,880 Speaker 5: that somebody important gave to me. I would dig into 234 00:14:13,960 --> 00:14:17,160 Speaker 5: the gut and find that extra bit of energy. But 235 00:14:17,240 --> 00:14:19,760 Speaker 5: I'm sorry, if it's a black or yellow color casion, 236 00:14:21,520 --> 00:14:25,120 Speaker 5: go die and leave me alone. You just. 237 00:14:26,640 --> 00:14:32,520 Speaker 2: It's funny when. 238 00:14:30,040 --> 00:14:32,640 Speaker 1: You burn out like that, you kind of wonder will 239 00:14:32,680 --> 00:14:36,160 Speaker 1: it ever come back? And it's amazing how quickly the 240 00:14:36,200 --> 00:14:37,760 Speaker 1: passion and the energy comes back. 241 00:14:38,760 --> 00:14:42,240 Speaker 5: Right then you see some damn plant online or something, 242 00:14:42,280 --> 00:14:44,360 Speaker 5: and you try to be strong, and you make it 243 00:14:44,400 --> 00:14:47,400 Speaker 5: through December, and you make it through January and early February. 244 00:14:47,440 --> 00:14:50,000 Speaker 5: One day you just snap and the next thing you know, 245 00:14:50,040 --> 00:14:51,320 Speaker 5: you have three orders. 246 00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:53,080 Speaker 2: Online and the credit card comes out. 247 00:14:53,240 --> 00:14:55,680 Speaker 5: Talk about that, Scott, Let's not talk about that awful 248 00:14:55,720 --> 00:14:59,400 Speaker 5: part when the bank where the credit card bill comes 249 00:14:59,480 --> 00:15:03,320 Speaker 5: due and you're the truck topic them and some money. 250 00:15:04,040 --> 00:15:07,000 Speaker 1: What would you your I think if when I think 251 00:15:07,000 --> 00:15:09,400 Speaker 1: of you, I'm thinking tropicals. I know you're you're broader 252 00:15:09,400 --> 00:15:12,480 Speaker 1: than that, but you're so strong into tropicals For for 253 00:15:12,840 --> 00:15:16,200 Speaker 1: home gardeners, what what would be like your number one 254 00:15:16,280 --> 00:15:19,200 Speaker 1: couple of things to say that that could really help 255 00:15:19,240 --> 00:15:23,040 Speaker 1: them learn and and and and enjoy tropical plants. 256 00:15:24,960 --> 00:15:28,760 Speaker 5: First of all. The really simple group of plants to 257 00:15:28,800 --> 00:15:33,320 Speaker 5: buy for the look is cannas, bananas and the elephant ears. 258 00:15:33,800 --> 00:15:37,840 Speaker 5: Those automatically take the mind kind of to the tropics. 259 00:15:38,560 --> 00:15:40,560 Speaker 5: You can buy hardy bananas so you don't have to 260 00:15:40,600 --> 00:15:43,200 Speaker 5: dig them every year. That will save you some energy, 261 00:15:43,400 --> 00:15:47,080 Speaker 5: time and energy. There are two or three hearty coll 262 00:15:47,120 --> 00:15:50,040 Speaker 5: occasions on the market now again could save you some 263 00:15:50,120 --> 00:15:55,840 Speaker 5: time and energy. Sometimes canneth even will come back. I've 264 00:15:55,840 --> 00:15:57,640 Speaker 5: had to come back the last couple of years. You 265 00:15:57,720 --> 00:16:00,760 Speaker 5: just never know. Unfortunately, you know, no one tells you 266 00:16:00,840 --> 00:16:04,080 Speaker 5: in October that it's a safe winter not to dig. Yeah, 267 00:16:04,160 --> 00:16:06,120 Speaker 5: but so first of all, stick to just a few 268 00:16:06,160 --> 00:16:11,520 Speaker 5: plants like that. Remember that you do not have to 269 00:16:11,640 --> 00:16:18,760 Speaker 5: dig them and save them. That betweens you bought you 270 00:16:18,840 --> 00:16:21,960 Speaker 5: are not going to save that come fall. Correct, So 271 00:16:22,120 --> 00:16:25,640 Speaker 5: if the fifteen dollars canna come fall, you're like, ough, 272 00:16:26,280 --> 00:16:31,200 Speaker 5: didn't leave it. It's okay, right, Isaia. Think the most important 273 00:16:31,200 --> 00:16:35,000 Speaker 5: thing is don't don't think you have to save everything. 274 00:16:35,760 --> 00:16:40,360 Speaker 5: It's just not the fact you do. But if it 275 00:16:40,400 --> 00:16:44,400 Speaker 5: makes you happy to save it, yes, But otherwise you're 276 00:16:44,480 --> 00:16:50,480 Speaker 5: spending more money on food when you eat out, on 277 00:16:50,920 --> 00:16:53,520 Speaker 5: tickets to this or that to give you one night 278 00:16:53,720 --> 00:16:57,440 Speaker 5: of joy or whatever. You spend that twenty five fifty 279 00:16:57,480 --> 00:17:00,320 Speaker 5: dollars on a plant and you're guaranteed six on at 280 00:17:00,400 --> 00:17:03,880 Speaker 5: least of joy. So you look at the money you're 281 00:17:03,880 --> 00:17:06,760 Speaker 5: putting down, and the plants are the much better value. 282 00:17:06,840 --> 00:17:08,119 Speaker 3: That's a great way to look at it. 283 00:17:08,280 --> 00:17:09,399 Speaker 2: That is a good way to look at it. 284 00:17:09,760 --> 00:17:11,000 Speaker 3: That very forgiving too. 285 00:17:11,480 --> 00:17:15,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, they we're all tired. 286 00:17:16,400 --> 00:17:21,880 Speaker 5: Yeah, you because I get that question a lot. 287 00:17:22,119 --> 00:17:23,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot. 288 00:17:23,800 --> 00:17:26,600 Speaker 5: Oh I have to dig them, No, precious, you don't. 289 00:17:26,880 --> 00:17:33,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, how much soil preparation is important. I know when 290 00:17:33,560 --> 00:17:36,000 Speaker 1: you just moved a lot of material out to your 291 00:17:36,520 --> 00:17:38,760 Speaker 1: whole new garden, did you do a whole lot of 292 00:17:39,119 --> 00:17:39,960 Speaker 1: soil preparation. 293 00:17:43,240 --> 00:17:46,840 Speaker 5: I have incredible, beautiful, loamy soil here. 294 00:17:47,040 --> 00:17:47,880 Speaker 2: Oh, I hate you. 295 00:17:48,160 --> 00:17:52,560 Speaker 5: It's amazing, It's truly amazing. The only prep I do 296 00:17:52,760 --> 00:17:56,399 Speaker 5: is like all my rabbit manure goes into the garden, 297 00:17:57,320 --> 00:18:00,320 Speaker 5: and that's a make sure rabbit manure in urine and 298 00:18:00,320 --> 00:18:04,400 Speaker 5: wood shaving, so it's incredible. It's fertilizers. Plus I'm improving 299 00:18:04,440 --> 00:18:08,800 Speaker 5: soil texture all the time. If you have decent garden soil, 300 00:18:08,880 --> 00:18:10,600 Speaker 5: you don't have to do much. If it's kind of 301 00:18:10,680 --> 00:18:12,879 Speaker 5: rough stuff, you know, clay that you find in a 302 00:18:13,040 --> 00:18:17,520 Speaker 5: new subdivision or even an old subdivision. I say, compost 303 00:18:17,640 --> 00:18:20,879 Speaker 5: is your answer. Try to find a good compost to 304 00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:26,480 Speaker 5: mix in. Otherwise I don't do a lot of anything. 305 00:18:26,520 --> 00:18:29,280 Speaker 5: I do not fertilize anything that goes in the ground, 306 00:18:29,400 --> 00:18:33,840 Speaker 5: nothing at all, fertilizer. No at work. I furlize my 307 00:18:33,920 --> 00:18:36,560 Speaker 5: annuals at work and maybe on an occasion of perennial, 308 00:18:36,880 --> 00:18:41,359 Speaker 5: but at home. I never for lie stuff in the garden. Again, 309 00:18:41,440 --> 00:18:44,320 Speaker 5: I'm putting down when Europe every year and one we're 310 00:18:44,359 --> 00:18:45,440 Speaker 5: not going to be doing that. 311 00:18:45,640 --> 00:18:48,280 Speaker 1: And that's when you can put down straight out, straight away. 312 00:18:48,320 --> 00:18:49,840 Speaker 1: You don't have to compost. 313 00:18:49,400 --> 00:18:51,560 Speaker 2: It correct so you can just it does not. 314 00:18:51,520 --> 00:18:53,800 Speaker 1: Burn right, you just throw it in. Do you mix 315 00:18:53,880 --> 00:18:55,960 Speaker 1: it down or you just throw it on top. 316 00:18:58,080 --> 00:18:59,840 Speaker 5: If I have a hole, I'll mix it in. But 317 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:04,160 Speaker 5: usually when i'm doing it, it's my mulch. Uh. If 318 00:19:04,160 --> 00:19:07,439 Speaker 5: I get the garden cleaned up in the fall, which 319 00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:15,960 Speaker 5: news flash, I did not last year. Uh yeah, it 320 00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:19,600 Speaker 5: was a glorious year, wasn't it. Yeah, And you know 321 00:19:19,720 --> 00:19:22,080 Speaker 5: all the fall and winter when year can go directly 322 00:19:22,119 --> 00:19:24,760 Speaker 5: onto the gardens otherwise I make a big pile out 323 00:19:24,920 --> 00:19:27,760 Speaker 5: by the barn, and then in the spring, as I 324 00:19:27,800 --> 00:19:30,800 Speaker 5: weed areas, I bring it in and cover things up. 325 00:19:32,440 --> 00:19:35,240 Speaker 5: But I realized most people don't have access to that obviously. 326 00:19:35,600 --> 00:19:39,440 Speaker 5: But if or if you're somewhere that has uh access 327 00:19:39,480 --> 00:19:40,280 Speaker 5: to Horseman. 328 00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:45,439 Speaker 1: You're yeah, that's that's that's really important. If you have 329 00:19:45,600 --> 00:19:49,359 Speaker 1: that access, take advantage of it. Uh real quick, we 330 00:19:49,480 --> 00:19:51,439 Speaker 1: got less than a minute. What are some of your 331 00:19:51,440 --> 00:19:54,800 Speaker 1: favorite places to buy tropical plants? 332 00:19:57,040 --> 00:20:02,199 Speaker 5: Uh in Ohio Bakers, Bakers. I have an order there 333 00:20:02,280 --> 00:20:02,720 Speaker 5: right now? 334 00:20:02,920 --> 00:20:04,720 Speaker 8: Is that plant ran of course? 335 00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:14,840 Speaker 5: Yeah. Online, I'll use anybody. Uh Bright Mechanicals down by Louisville, 336 00:20:15,160 --> 00:20:19,600 Speaker 5: and I've done plant Delight dot done. Uh. 337 00:20:19,960 --> 00:20:22,800 Speaker 1: Well, we gotta go IRV and we'll carry this on. 338 00:20:22,920 --> 00:20:25,520 Speaker 1: We'll have you back again real soon. You're listening. Let's 339 00:20:25,560 --> 00:20:28,280 Speaker 1: got Garden with Scott Berline. 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H. 365 00:22:44,359 --> 00:22:47,760 Speaker 2: We have Joe Boggs on the line. Joe, how are you. 366 00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:53,040 Speaker 8: I'm doing great and it's nice to hear you too, Jennifer. 367 00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:55,840 Speaker 8: That's that was a surprise. That was fantastic. 368 00:22:56,320 --> 00:22:56,560 Speaker 6: Jack. 369 00:22:56,600 --> 00:22:58,520 Speaker 2: You know, I just couldn't be here alone. I just 370 00:22:58,560 --> 00:22:59,119 Speaker 2: can't do that. 371 00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:03,879 Speaker 4: Oh no, this is great. Oh this is outstanding. You know, 372 00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:04,359 Speaker 4: I have to. 373 00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:07,000 Speaker 8: Say the previous guest right at the very end. You know, 374 00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:11,040 Speaker 8: all I heard was access to horse maneuver, and I 375 00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:13,280 Speaker 8: thought that was Mike Cue. I thought, well, you know 376 00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:14,840 Speaker 8: you were going to immediately. 377 00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:25,440 Speaker 2: Introduce MESI. 378 00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:22,600 Speaker 4: That's it. 379 00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:26,679 Speaker 2: Yeah, man, Well we have lots of things to talk about. 380 00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:27,200 Speaker 8: Yeah. 381 00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:32,719 Speaker 1: What earlier today, early in the show, Evelyn called and 382 00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:33,719 Speaker 1: talked about TICS. 383 00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:36,320 Speaker 2: Uh, this is actually National Line. 384 00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:40,080 Speaker 1: Disease Awareness Month, and what a good reminder to talk 385 00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:42,600 Speaker 1: about TICS. What I saw you had a bagal live 386 00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:44,600 Speaker 1: about ticks that came out just a few days ago. 387 00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:47,240 Speaker 2: Uh, what's new in that world? 388 00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:50,840 Speaker 8: Well, I'll tell you the one thing that's new, well 389 00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:54,600 Speaker 8: two things actually, the first being that many of us 390 00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:57,920 Speaker 8: grew up with a tick, you know, called American dog tick. 391 00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:00,359 Speaker 8: It was just h I grew up in West Virginia. Uh, 392 00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:03,880 Speaker 8: you grew up around here, right, Scott, So American dog 393 00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:05,960 Speaker 8: tick and you know that was that was, that. 394 00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:06,800 Speaker 4: Was the tick. 395 00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:10,800 Speaker 8: And and yes it could carry a very serious disease 396 00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:14,480 Speaker 8: Rocky Mountain spotted fever. But but we just we were 397 00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:16,600 Speaker 8: just sort of used to it. Every time you went out, 398 00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:18,800 Speaker 8: you come back and check yourself for ticks. You know, 399 00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:21,840 Speaker 8: That's how I grew up in West Virginia, very very 400 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:25,080 Speaker 8: very common. So the first change is we now have 401 00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:29,399 Speaker 8: more than just American dog tick, the deer tick or 402 00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:33,119 Speaker 8: black leg tick. You know, that was that came along first. 403 00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:35,560 Speaker 8: And of course, as you just said, you know, line 404 00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:38,640 Speaker 8: disease came on the scene, which took a long time 405 00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:43,440 Speaker 8: to recognize. And and now we have a lone Star tick. 406 00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:43,680 Speaker 6: Now. 407 00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:46,520 Speaker 8: You know, the Southern listeners that lone Star tick is 408 00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:50,280 Speaker 8: nothing new, but for us in Ohio, it's it's something new. 409 00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:54,040 Speaker 8: And of course it has a different complement of diseases 410 00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:57,719 Speaker 8: that it spread, some scary ones and some scary ones. 411 00:24:57,840 --> 00:25:01,760 Speaker 8: Asian longhorn tick. It's a which I keep thinking, you know, 412 00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:03,960 Speaker 8: it looks like a longhorn beetle, you know, great big 413 00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:06,040 Speaker 8: long hand tanning. But of course that's just me. But 414 00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:09,359 Speaker 8: all of these ticks, of course, can spread, you know, 415 00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:14,160 Speaker 8: very serious diseases. So unlike when I grew up, which 416 00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:16,760 Speaker 8: I didn't really worry about ticks. 417 00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:19,040 Speaker 2: Now I do know you didn't really grow up. 418 00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:25,040 Speaker 8: I just kind of paused and development. Yes, that's right. Yeah, 419 00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:29,800 Speaker 8: I'm just moving along now. But you know, we do 420 00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:35,840 Speaker 8: have repellent now. Dep the eet is a very effective repellent. 421 00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:38,879 Speaker 8: I actually can't get that on my skin, believe it 422 00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:42,680 Speaker 8: or not. I become even goopier than normal. Yeah, some 423 00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:44,880 Speaker 8: people are sensitive to it, but you know, you can 424 00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:48,639 Speaker 8: spread on your clothes. I actually have a couple pairs 425 00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:52,400 Speaker 8: of pants and some socks that I've treated with a 426 00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:58,040 Speaker 8: a pyritroid tick repellent. It's permethron and it's actually a 427 00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:04,200 Speaker 8: product that you can buy easily just about any sporting store. Actually, 428 00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:08,040 Speaker 8: you can get it just about everywhere. And that's a 429 00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:13,640 Speaker 8: very effective repellent. The military actually uses it for treating 430 00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:16,480 Speaker 8: clothing that you can even buy tick treated clothing, and 431 00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:19,199 Speaker 8: that's what they do. Very effective. And I would just 432 00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:24,240 Speaker 8: strongly urge, you know, don't mess around with exposure to ticks, 433 00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:30,280 Speaker 8: because even line disease, I'm saying that like, Okay, it's 434 00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:33,639 Speaker 8: becoming less of a it's still a big deal. Really 435 00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:37,440 Speaker 8: really knock a person down. And these other diseases, I mean, 436 00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:40,200 Speaker 8: the one that can make you allergic to meet gee whiz. 437 00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:45,440 Speaker 8: I mean I would just be eat asparagus, right, But 438 00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:51,080 Speaker 8: so so protect yourself. That's the main point. 439 00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:55,600 Speaker 1: When you treat your clothing with permetern how long does 440 00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:57,879 Speaker 1: that last? Do you have to retreat at some point? 441 00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:00,640 Speaker 4: Oh, that's an excellent question. No, you don't. 442 00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:04,400 Speaker 8: You do need to retreat it, of course, Scott. Every 443 00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:08,560 Speaker 8: time that we mentioned a pesticide, anything that is used 444 00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:11,239 Speaker 8: in this case is a repellent. But still, you know 445 00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:14,800 Speaker 8: you must read and follow those label directions. For example, 446 00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:17,520 Speaker 8: when you do treat the clothing, you don't treat it 447 00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:19,919 Speaker 8: while you're wearing it. You're not spraying on like you 448 00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:23,640 Speaker 8: might deep So in my case, for example, I go outside, 449 00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:26,320 Speaker 8: just hang them up and and spray them down and 450 00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:29,680 Speaker 8: let him completely dry. That's what the that's what the 451 00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:33,359 Speaker 8: label says to do. And then it can last anywhere 452 00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:41,200 Speaker 8: from all about four months, however, and you can wash them. However, 453 00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:44,560 Speaker 8: I don't go quite that long. I do it a 454 00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:48,280 Speaker 8: little bit more frequently because of course, you know, and 455 00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:51,560 Speaker 8: I always get a little concerned about, you know, how 456 00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:55,159 Speaker 8: much of the crystals because that's what happens, It drives 457 00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:59,119 Speaker 8: and becomes kind of crystaline materialists and embedded in the fibers. 458 00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:03,959 Speaker 8: How long will that lasts through washing? And so I 459 00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:08,240 Speaker 8: do retreat, oh, probably about every two months. But again 460 00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:12,840 Speaker 8: it's not a big deal compared to you know, what 461 00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:16,080 Speaker 8: would happen if you would contract one of these tickborn diseases. 462 00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:16,880 Speaker 2: Oh. 463 00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:21,679 Speaker 1: Absolutely. I saw recently a point online that said that 464 00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:26,480 Speaker 1: cleaning up yard debris, you know, at leaves and things, 465 00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:31,840 Speaker 1: is a step towards, you know, eliminating some of your 466 00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:35,520 Speaker 1: tick population. But that's the opposite of a lot of 467 00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:39,440 Speaker 1: good gardening advice. It does cleaning, you know, cleaning up leaves, 468 00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:41,760 Speaker 1: is that actual tick habitat? 469 00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:46,760 Speaker 8: You know, it's interesting the you know, the the arthropods 470 00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:50,520 Speaker 8: they're not insects or more closely related to spiders. They 471 00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:54,960 Speaker 8: require they like to have high humidity. They can become 472 00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:57,440 Speaker 8: subject to drying out. By the way, it's kind of 473 00:28:57,440 --> 00:29:01,520 Speaker 8: the same thing with chiggers. So because of this onslaught 474 00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:04,840 Speaker 8: of ticks, it seems I mean, that's you know, it's 475 00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:08,040 Speaker 8: in the news a lot, rightfully, So you know, I 476 00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:10,120 Speaker 8: think we're starting to recognize Scott, that a lot of 477 00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:13,000 Speaker 8: the things that you and I've taught for years, and Jennifer, 478 00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:15,600 Speaker 8: I mean, you know, naturalized areas. 479 00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:16,640 Speaker 4: You know, people. 480 00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:21,440 Speaker 8: We have a saying that that you know, your lawn 481 00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:24,080 Speaker 8: is the canvas on which you paint the rest of 482 00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:28,800 Speaker 8: the landscaping, right, you know, it's it's so you know, 483 00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:33,640 Speaker 8: we've long taught Okay, let's minimize turf grass and and 484 00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:37,480 Speaker 8: take advantage of the space with a lot of plant diversity. 485 00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:39,600 Speaker 4: And that's that's still something we hope to do. 486 00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:42,920 Speaker 8: On the other hand, one of the reasons that that 487 00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:47,160 Speaker 8: is speculated and I think probably becoming very well supported 488 00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:50,160 Speaker 8: that some of these ticks are becoming problems closer to 489 00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:54,880 Speaker 8: home is because we are landscaping right up to the doorsteps. 490 00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:58,680 Speaker 8: And so that is a very important point that you're making. 491 00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:04,160 Speaker 8: If you just read about tick habitat, you will find, unfortunately, 492 00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:07,600 Speaker 8: a lot of the things that we do enhances it. 493 00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:10,360 Speaker 8: So that's the first step I would say if you're 494 00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:13,040 Speaker 8: designing and working in your own landscaping and you're trying 495 00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:15,560 Speaker 8: to decide, well, I want to keep these at Bay 496 00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:18,720 Speaker 8: as you just said, you know, cleaning up, keeping things, 497 00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:22,960 Speaker 8: debris and everything away, and also just what you. 498 00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:24,640 Speaker 4: Plant and where you plant it. 499 00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:29,280 Speaker 8: A turf grass buffer for example, you know when you're 500 00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:31,640 Speaker 8: mowing and you're keeping that turf grass kind of low, 501 00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:34,920 Speaker 8: so that not too low. Right, Remember we always want 502 00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:37,200 Speaker 8: people to you know, two and a half three inches tall. 503 00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:42,880 Speaker 8: But still that's not good tick habitat. And as I said, 504 00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:46,960 Speaker 8: I'm not implying we should reverse the wonderful things that 505 00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:50,760 Speaker 8: the designs I've seen Jennifer do, the things you've done, Scott, 506 00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:53,960 Speaker 8: I'm not suggesting it. I think now though, we need 507 00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:57,400 Speaker 8: to consider landscape designs with ticks in mind. 508 00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:01,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm wondering, since you said they like high moisture, 509 00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:05,400 Speaker 1: if irrigation might be a problem. If if you let 510 00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:09,720 Speaker 1: these areas with a lot of plants dry out from 511 00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:12,920 Speaker 1: time to time before before you water again. 512 00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:15,280 Speaker 2: You know that if that constant, you know. 513 00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:19,920 Speaker 1: Every day or every other day, irrigation could be a factor. 514 00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:23,600 Speaker 8: Well, that's a good that's a good point because and 515 00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:27,959 Speaker 8: you just said it perfectly. You know, an irrigation system 516 00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:30,800 Speaker 8: is a two edged sword, right. It's wonderful when you 517 00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:33,960 Speaker 8: have a drought. However, you know that's where we see 518 00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:36,880 Speaker 8: some of the best samples of root rots. If you 519 00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:40,040 Speaker 8: really want to find root rots and various plants over, 520 00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:43,160 Speaker 8: irrigation is a surefired way to get that to happen. 521 00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:46,680 Speaker 8: So there again, if you do have an irrigation system, 522 00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:49,120 Speaker 8: it just means you use it properly. And you've just 523 00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:53,000 Speaker 8: said it perfectly, Scott. We we need to consider, you know, 524 00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:57,280 Speaker 8: making sure to keep that space between that irrigation coming 525 00:31:57,320 --> 00:32:01,120 Speaker 8: on and off such that things are allowed to dry out. 526 00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:03,920 Speaker 8: A lot of these systems are set up, whether it's 527 00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:07,200 Speaker 8: raining or not, that needs to be taken into account. 528 00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:09,120 Speaker 8: But but you're absolutely right, you do need. 529 00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:12,200 Speaker 1: To it's better for that garden to you know, aute 530 00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:15,959 Speaker 1: turf me want water every day in a small amount, 531 00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:20,080 Speaker 1: but really your garden you want a good soaking and 532 00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:23,520 Speaker 1: then allowed to dry out and then a good soaking again. 533 00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:27,920 Speaker 8: Well and actually, you know, I I teach something a 534 00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:30,720 Speaker 8: little different about turf grass. You know, it's not our 535 00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:33,840 Speaker 8: cool season. Turf grasses aren't intended to be green in August. 536 00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:38,120 Speaker 8: Let that sink in a little bit. They're they're designed, 537 00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:41,440 Speaker 8: I mean, they're they're they've evolved so that they go 538 00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:45,320 Speaker 8: dormant in hot, dry weather. Kentucky bluegrass turf type haul 539 00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:46,520 Speaker 8: fescue for example. 540 00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:49,120 Speaker 4: You know they're they're cool season grasses. 541 00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:54,280 Speaker 8: So if you don't irrigate heavily, I mean every day 542 00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:58,080 Speaker 8: is way too often. You know, once a week can 543 00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:02,040 Speaker 8: be good enough. But then we move into the summer season, 544 00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:04,600 Speaker 8: we move into hot and dry conditions. It's not a 545 00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:07,840 Speaker 8: bad idea to back off and let your and let 546 00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:09,000 Speaker 8: the turf grass. 547 00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:11,080 Speaker 4: Actually go brown. I know people don't like. 548 00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:15,160 Speaker 8: That look, but that's how you're You're also dodging. 549 00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:16,280 Speaker 4: A lot of turf grass diseases. 550 00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:18,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, because that's the other challenge. 551 00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:21,600 Speaker 8: With with over irrigation of turf grass. So we have 552 00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:23,719 Speaker 8: a lot of built in features out there that can 553 00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:27,560 Speaker 8: suppress ticks if we just think about what ticks need. 554 00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:30,960 Speaker 8: And then also, as I said before, just manage your 555 00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:34,360 Speaker 8: landscaping so we're not making it perfect for ticks exactly. 556 00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:35,160 Speaker 2: I'll tell you what. 557 00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:37,920 Speaker 1: Joe will take a break and when we come back, 558 00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:41,320 Speaker 1: we'll talk about stuff that isn't tick related. How's that 559 00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:45,840 Speaker 1: sound Okay? All right, you're listening. Let's got garden with 560 00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:52,959 Speaker 1: Scott Berlin. 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It's one eight hundred. Get roto or 580 00:34:55,600 --> 00:35:13,759 Speaker 7: schedule online at Rotrouter dot com Welcome back. 581 00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:16,200 Speaker 1: You are listening to Best Guard in Wiscott, Berlin. I 582 00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:19,560 Speaker 1: am here with Jennifer Smith and on the phone with 583 00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:23,640 Speaker 1: one of my favorite people, Joe Bogs. Uh, one of 584 00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:24,800 Speaker 1: everybody's favorite people. 585 00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:28,359 Speaker 4: I think we've had a lot of fun over the years. 586 00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:30,040 Speaker 4: I had to chuckle. 587 00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:33,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, we share hearing your voice, share the weird, weirdest 588 00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:34,360 Speaker 1: sense of humor. 589 00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:37,480 Speaker 2: Uh, we did. Everybody else gets. 590 00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:41,400 Speaker 8: That's right, yes, yes, yeah. There's been a few times 591 00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:44,480 Speaker 8: where we've actually seen the lead balloon go across the floor, right, 592 00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:47,000 Speaker 8: you know, yeah, you're not thinking, oh yeah, we're laughing, 593 00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:50,280 Speaker 8: but everyone else is thinking, I don't. 594 00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:52,320 Speaker 1: Know, And you look at the expressions on their faces 595 00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:54,960 Speaker 1: and it sort of that sick embarrassed for you kind 596 00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:55,680 Speaker 1: of Yeah. 597 00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:58,839 Speaker 8: Yeah, sometimes they're headed for the extents, you know, all 598 00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:00,520 Speaker 8: those different reactions things. 599 00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:02,920 Speaker 1: I want to mention that you're going to be on 600 00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:05,200 Speaker 1: every month now, I think we did. We call it 601 00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:08,560 Speaker 1: the say, the first weekend of every month, the first 602 00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:10,360 Speaker 1: or the last. 603 00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:12,960 Speaker 4: I misread my calendar. 604 00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:17,319 Speaker 8: You know, you were surprised when I send you I'll 605 00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:19,080 Speaker 8: talk to you tomorrow and it's. 606 00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:20,520 Speaker 4: Like, oh my gosh, but. 607 00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:23,520 Speaker 1: You know, so glad you were available and got you 608 00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:26,959 Speaker 1: on the show. So what else should we be looking 609 00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:27,600 Speaker 1: for out there? 610 00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:30,560 Speaker 8: Well, I'll tell you you know, one thing though that 611 00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:33,000 Speaker 8: I think. I don't know if we want to come 612 00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:34,560 Speaker 8: up with a name for the segment, but it just 613 00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:36,960 Speaker 8: occurred to me that, you know, I'm going to give 614 00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:38,960 Speaker 8: my age away a little bit. It's sort of like 615 00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:41,719 Speaker 8: gloom to spare and agony on me, right, I mean 616 00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:44,880 Speaker 8: when you think of those guys singing that, because you know, 617 00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:47,560 Speaker 8: I have to admit I'm you know, here we're talking 618 00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:50,600 Speaker 8: about you know, beautiful plants most of the time, right, 619 00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:54,279 Speaker 8: I mean, Jenniferson with her designs, and here I come 620 00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:57,400 Speaker 8: along and it's like, oh okay, here all these bad things. 621 00:36:57,120 --> 00:36:57,760 Speaker 4: That can happen. 622 00:36:57,800 --> 00:36:59,520 Speaker 8: But you can learn from them though, And that's what 623 00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:02,879 Speaker 8: I think is important, is that if you are dealing with, 624 00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:06,239 Speaker 8: you know, an insect or disease problem, or the thing 625 00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:07,920 Speaker 8: I'm going to talk about here in a second, a 626 00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:10,960 Speaker 8: weed problem, Yeah, the first thing to do, yeah, is 627 00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:13,400 Speaker 8: just look into the you know, gather all the information 628 00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:17,000 Speaker 8: you can. And and we do have that outlet. It's 629 00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:21,200 Speaker 8: called the Buckeye Yard and Garden Line byg l if 630 00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:24,399 Speaker 8: People just just google that you'll find that it will 631 00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:27,400 Speaker 8: come up very quickly. And I want to refer to 632 00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:30,600 Speaker 8: a posting that I did just a while back on 633 00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:35,840 Speaker 8: two very serious plants that we now find, I have 634 00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:38,319 Speaker 8: to say, throughout much of the United States, and that's 635 00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:43,879 Speaker 8: poison hemlock and wild parsip. Now let's first separate those two. 636 00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:48,120 Speaker 8: Poison hemlock is one of the most toxic plants that 637 00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:52,480 Speaker 8: we can find in you know, US landscaping. It's not 638 00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:57,160 Speaker 8: put there obviously, it's a non native invasive, but you 639 00:37:57,239 --> 00:37:59,400 Speaker 8: have to ingest the toxin. You have to get it 640 00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:03,880 Speaker 8: inside of you. Wild parsnip, though, it is a little different, 641 00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:07,080 Speaker 8: and it is just as it sounds. It's actually the 642 00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:10,920 Speaker 8: same scientific name as parsnips that you would grow in 643 00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:14,840 Speaker 8: the garden, but these are escaped and they've reverted back 644 00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:20,719 Speaker 8: to the toxic form evolved in Eastern Europe to defend themselves, 645 00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:24,520 Speaker 8: and the toxicity from wild parsnip is totally different. If 646 00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:29,520 Speaker 8: you get the SAP on your skin, it starts breaking 647 00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:32,640 Speaker 8: down the DNA of the epithermal cells and you get 648 00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:36,400 Speaker 8: this big these big blisters, very painful, they last a 649 00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:42,319 Speaker 8: long time. It's called phyto for plant photo for light 650 00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:47,760 Speaker 8: dermatitis phytophotodermatitis, and you just don't want to mess around 651 00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:52,640 Speaker 8: with that. Scott of the two wild parsup actually worries 652 00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:57,040 Speaker 8: me more because the reaction can take anywhere from twenty 653 00:38:57,040 --> 00:38:59,920 Speaker 8: four to seventy two hours, and it has to be 654 00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:02,960 Speaker 8: exposed to light, so someone may get the SAP on 655 00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:07,239 Speaker 8: their you know, on their arm, and once the reaction starts, 656 00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:10,239 Speaker 8: you know, a shower and that's not going to stop it, 657 00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:14,920 Speaker 8: so you may, you know, go outside, you're weeding, and 658 00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:18,040 Speaker 8: you've gotten your skin, you know, and you don't do 659 00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:23,400 Speaker 8: anything right away, and then you know, two days later. 660 00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:24,560 Speaker 4: You start getting these psi. 661 00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:28,439 Speaker 8: And sometimes people don't connect the two obviously because well 662 00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:30,839 Speaker 8: I was weeding and I you know, but they don't 663 00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:33,960 Speaker 8: realize what they run into. And here's the really bad 664 00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:37,760 Speaker 8: part with both of these plants. They can grow together 665 00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:42,120 Speaker 8: for reasons we do not understand. You very commonly find 666 00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:45,640 Speaker 8: poison hemlock and wild parse them growing side by side. 667 00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:49,120 Speaker 8: And that's where the misunderstanding can come from, where people 668 00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:52,480 Speaker 8: think poison himlock can cause blistering. But any rate, the 669 00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:55,200 Speaker 8: reason why I'm bringing it up is both of these plants, 670 00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:59,520 Speaker 8: and identification is very important. Poison hemlock. You look at 671 00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:04,279 Speaker 8: the leave, the compound leaves, they're very frelly. They were 672 00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:08,080 Speaker 8: actually this plant was actually brought to the US as 673 00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:12,920 Speaker 8: an ornamental back in the eighteen hundreds. The frilly leaves 674 00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:16,759 Speaker 8: look a lot like carrot leaves. So you have this 675 00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:18,080 Speaker 8: thing coming up kind of freely. 676 00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:20,520 Speaker 4: Now, wild parson up. 677 00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:22,959 Speaker 8: The leaves look a little bit, I think a little 678 00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:24,280 Speaker 8: bit like celery leaves. 679 00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:25,719 Speaker 4: But the real. 680 00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:28,800 Speaker 8: Point is that this time of year, these plants are 681 00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:32,920 Speaker 8: about to do something we call bolting. They're biennial plants. 682 00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:35,320 Speaker 8: They spend the first year is rosettes, just kind of 683 00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:36,320 Speaker 8: growing low to the ground. 684 00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:37,480 Speaker 4: The second year. 685 00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:42,040 Speaker 8: They reproduced by first bolting and they can rise. Boison 686 00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:45,839 Speaker 8: himlock can rise over seven feet tall. Wild parson can 687 00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:48,040 Speaker 8: be five to six feet tall. So you see these 688 00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:52,839 Speaker 8: things rising up rapidly. Now, once they flower, you're kind 689 00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:55,480 Speaker 8: of sunk because even if you cut them off, you know, 690 00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:57,560 Speaker 8: as you know and Jennifer, you know, there are a 691 00:40:57,600 --> 00:41:00,360 Speaker 8: lot of weeds. If they flower and you cut them down, 692 00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:05,120 Speaker 8: those flowers can still develop seeds even after the plants 693 00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:08,400 Speaker 8: are cut. So what we want people to do is 694 00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:11,799 Speaker 8: to make sure that they are looking for these and 695 00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:16,440 Speaker 8: then properly time and this is one situation where frankly, 696 00:41:16,520 --> 00:41:18,760 Speaker 8: herbicides are the safest approach. 697 00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:21,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, I would say that string. 698 00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:28,240 Speaker 1: Yeah you oh no, because you're aerosolizing all the sap 699 00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:30,520 Speaker 1: and the juices and your it's just going to get 700 00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:31,760 Speaker 1: in your skin and your lungs. 701 00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:35,319 Speaker 3: Well, Parson, I'm actually quite attractive looking too, which is 702 00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:38,440 Speaker 3: if you were walking around you would say, oh, I 703 00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:39,799 Speaker 3: love this. I'm going to dig it up and put 704 00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:45,120 Speaker 3: in my garden. I mean, yeah, it's beautiful. 705 00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:48,520 Speaker 2: Knowing what these look like is key. 706 00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:52,959 Speaker 1: And and your your article in in Beagle and again 707 00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:56,080 Speaker 1: that s Buckeye Yard and Garden line uh, and it's 708 00:41:56,120 --> 00:41:59,120 Speaker 1: available easily by googling. It's from Ohio State Extension. 709 00:41:59,600 --> 00:41:59,880 Speaker 2: Uh. 710 00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:04,400 Speaker 1: Your article does a great job of depicting these different plants, 711 00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:05,960 Speaker 1: and that's that's a great service. 712 00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:10,560 Speaker 8: It is very important and it's important to do two things. 713 00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:15,080 Speaker 8: Number one, suppress them and number two plant competition. So 714 00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:18,120 Speaker 8: we have some recommendations in there. And I got it. 715 00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:19,040 Speaker 4: I hear the music. 716 00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:24,200 Speaker 8: I'm seeing the lineups on Jennifer, so I can't believe it. 717 00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:27,680 Speaker 1: Show it's been absolutely fun to hear your voice and 718 00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:30,120 Speaker 1: get you on the show. And I know everybody's going 719 00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:33,759 Speaker 1: to enjoy your your monthly appearance loosely based on what 720 00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:35,239 Speaker 1: our availability is and. 721 00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:36,920 Speaker 2: What is going on in the world. 722 00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:39,680 Speaker 1: When you call you in up for an emergency at 723 00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:45,040 Speaker 1: any time, there you go yeah, but uh yeah, thanks 724 00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:47,919 Speaker 1: again and uh well, we'll see you in a month. 725 00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:50,280 Speaker 4: Take care of Scott and Jennifer. 726 00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:51,480 Speaker 2: Bye bye, goodbye. 727 00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:55,440 Speaker 1: Hi Joe, you're listening to the Let's Guard with Scott Perlin. 728 00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:59,360 Speaker 1: You can check out the podcast of past shows online. 729 00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:03,120 Speaker 1: Just google lot Let's Guard with Scott Berline and stay 730 00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:05,840 Speaker 1: with us. 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