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Speaker 1: Showing me now live from Bradenton, where the Pirates are

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Speaker 1: in spring training. From the post case edit's Noah Hailes. Noah,

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Speaker 1: here's a rather broad question, but what about the Pirates?

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Speaker 1: Might we be most incorrectly assuming taking for granted that's

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Speaker 2: Would say the bullpen mark. I thought the bullpens took

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Speaker 2: look at the high leverage arms, they should.

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Speaker 3: All be good again.

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Speaker 2: At Dennis Santana's solid I like the Gregory Soto edition.

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Speaker 2: Isaac Madison's a good late ending arm. But the depth

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Speaker 2: there is concerning to me, and we've been focused a

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Speaker 2: lot as far as people who cover this team on

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Speaker 2: the offense, because that's the thing that needed.

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Speaker 4: To improve the most.

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Speaker 2: The starting rotation. They have depth there with guys coming

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Speaker 2: In their brief major league experience. So that's the interesting

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Speaker 1: On the opposite end of that spectrum, what might we

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Speaker 2: Hmm, that's a good question, I think, Uh, I think probably,

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Speaker 2: I don't. I don't know. I don't know. I think

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Speaker 2: I think that there's a chance that we see some

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Speaker 2: that might be something we're underestimating.

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Speaker 5: Is we haven't talked enough.

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Speaker 2: About Brian Reynolds this camp, or Onneo Cruz this camp.

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Speaker 2: It's been more on the new faces and the boxes

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Speaker 1: I want to get back to the bullpen for just

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Speaker 1: They can flip the lineup, you know, because the Pirates

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 2: The Pirates, to be fair, have had a decent success

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Speaker 2: rate with guys like Mason Montgomery. They identify players who

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Speaker 2: it doesn't. They gave up on Kyle Nicholas this spring.

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Speaker 2: they're graded into Cincinnati. This is kind of a left

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Speaker 1: You know who else is a wild card and this

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Speaker 2: Niche Yeah, you know, that should have been my answer

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Speaker 1: Uh is Barco going to make the rotation? I know

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Speaker 1: We're talking to Noahyles live from Bradenton here on the

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Speaker 1: Mark Madden Show. Here's the cliched topic, Noah, Kyle Griffin's

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Speaker 1: Connor Griffin's going to start the season in Triple A.

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Speaker 7: In't me?

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Speaker 4: It's starting to look that way.

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Speaker 2: I still think there's a shot. I still maintain he's

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Speaker 2: been amazing the spring. I mean he's had as an

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Speaker 2: interesting spring, right, I mean, he has more home runs

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Speaker 6: More he'll he'll hit better, right.

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Speaker 2: Correct, Well, I'm saying at worst at nineteen, at nineteen

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Speaker 2: So I think by putting him there, you at least

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Speaker 2: though he might not be a finished product, he's definitely

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Speaker 2: just don't like the roster's outlook if he's not on it.

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Speaker 2: They don't really have another guy who can play short

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Speaker 6: Well, no, that that's my point.

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Speaker 1: No, I've been I've been bringing that up, you know,

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Speaker 1: And if Griffin don't start, they're stuck with him.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's not the position to be playing someone

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Speaker 2: I think Griffin, even though he's not necessarily even ready,

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Speaker 1: No, Well, Cruz finally adds some consistency to his potential

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Speaker 2: I would probably bat him outside the top five spots.

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Speaker 2: let him prove that he's more than what he is

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Speaker 1: Finally, Noah, this doesn't quite feel like a five hundred

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Speaker 1: But I agree with you.

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Speaker 2: Right now, I have them at about eighty and eighty

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Speaker 1: No great stuff, great work at the PG two. Thanks

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Speaker 2: Soon, I hope absolutely Thanks for having me on Mark.

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Speaker 1: That's Noah House in the Post Gazette. Great baseball talk.

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Speaker 3: And now the super genius Mark Madden, Hey, Mark Creek.

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Speaker 1: There's a cliche debate I heard on another radio program.

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Speaker 6: Not that this program is immune.

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Speaker 1: The cliche debates that coulds the life one of sports

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Speaker 1: Malcan versus Yoger, Who is the you'd have to say,

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Speaker 1: Malcan versus Yoga Malkin is a better penguin, but Yoger

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Speaker 6: Does that make sense?

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Speaker 1: Malcolin won more, stayed in Pittsburgh longer for his entire

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Speaker 6: More when Yager won his two Stanley Cups.

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Speaker 1: It was in his first two years, and don't get

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Speaker 1: Malkin was playoff MVP. Malkin won three Cups, Yaugar won two.

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Speaker 1: That said, Yoger was a better player, not by a lot.

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Speaker 1: Yoger's just refusal to ever quit. He still really hasn't

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Speaker 1: It's like Barry Bonds and Roberto clemene clemene was a

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Speaker 6: And one thing should be noted too. You can never

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Speaker 1: If there had been free agency back then, Roberto Clemeney

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Speaker 6: That's just fact.

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Speaker 1: We talk about guys like Clemente Stargel, all them guys

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Speaker 6: That's caused to a large degree, they just did not

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Speaker 1: A three three four one two wxdx the number to call.

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Speaker 1: That's a three three four one two WXDX. And I've

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Speaker 6: I wanted to be good.

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Speaker 1: And Noah How's made a good point, which which Tom

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Speaker 6: They need to. They need to somehow, at long last

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Speaker 1: If not, they need to somehow make a legitimate attempt

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Speaker 1: ain't it. They've gotten better, but not good enough. They've

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Speaker 1: So yeah, that'll tell a story what they do, assuming

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Speaker 1: that is. Next, we're gonna talk hockey with Colby Armstrong,

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Speaker 10: This week, I would I'd be delicious shit o the

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Speaker 1: Penguins with a big weekend joining me now to talk

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Speaker 1: about it, ex Penguin. He's all over the hockey media,

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Speaker 1: always terrific to talk to.

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Speaker 6: Colby Armstrong.

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Speaker 1: Army, Let's start with the most basic question, will the

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Speaker 1: Penguins make the playoffs? I got him at fifty to fifty,

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Speaker 3: Of Yeah, Well they're in a dog fight, right and

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Speaker 5: But now outside the playoffs.

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Speaker 3: It's just crazy how tight it's gone even in the

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Speaker 5: That now you know, you you know, you try to stay.

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Speaker 3: In that top three situation and just worry about your

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Speaker 3: I think they get it done at the end of

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Speaker 3: the day. I think getting Sid back is huge, Gino

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Speaker 3: pretty consistent in overtime and shootouts as well.

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Speaker 1: Now all of that is true, and uh not least

438
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Speaker 1: the part about Sydby and back. I think he's going

439
00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:36,040
Speaker 1: to go on a run. In his first game back, Army,

440
00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:38,679
Speaker 1: you knew he was not only going to score, but

441
00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:41,040
Speaker 1: scoring his backhand. That's just how it works when he

442
00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:42,000
Speaker 1: comes back, isn't it?

443
00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:46,119
Speaker 5: Yeah for him, isn't it?

444
00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:48,800
Speaker 3: And and you know, goal and assists and Gino comes back,

445
00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:51,920
Speaker 3: he has a three point night. It's called Colorado. And

446
00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:54,520
Speaker 3: yeah that both those guys just shine in their in

447
00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:58,440
Speaker 3: their debuts. Coming back from missing good chunks of time

448
00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:00,400
Speaker 3: like that's not easy. That's not easy for any player

449
00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:02,399
Speaker 3: when you miss that amount of time and rehabbing or

450
00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:04,840
Speaker 3: just waiting the wings like Gino to get back in

451
00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:07,440
Speaker 3: that lineup, missing game time like that, especially this time

452
00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:10,280
Speaker 3: of the year when it's really ramped up like that,

453
00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:13,120
Speaker 3: that's that's really hard to do. And for both those

454
00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:15,639
Speaker 3: guys come back and contribute like they did, and against

455
00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:19,400
Speaker 3: two really good teams, it's just massive for the Penguins.

456
00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:22,600
Speaker 3: So big, big stretch coming up, that huge weekend mark,

457
00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:24,600
Speaker 3: coming up back to back after noon games for the

458
00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:28,400
Speaker 3: Penguins to get ready for and just absolutely massive Winnipeg

459
00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:31,320
Speaker 3: and Carolina and just the points right, the points, and

460
00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:33,240
Speaker 3: you look around the league and even tonight.

461
00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:34,760
Speaker 5: I think what is their five games tonight?

462
00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:37,800
Speaker 3: Just watch those games and you keeping track of the standings,

463
00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:40,160
Speaker 3: and I'm sure the Penguins and the players are doing

464
00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:40,720
Speaker 3: that right now.

465
00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:41,919
Speaker 5: But they've been taking care of business.

466
00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:44,480
Speaker 3: They come ready to play, they play hard, and you know,

467
00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:48,760
Speaker 3: having Gino and Sid back and you know, just just

468
00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:51,360
Speaker 3: helps significantly in all a lot of aspects of their game.

469
00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:54,679
Speaker 1: Now, you got Winnipeg at home tomorrow one pm puck drop,

470
00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:57,200
Speaker 1: and the deats aren't great, but hell a buck and

471
00:23:57,280 --> 00:23:59,080
Speaker 1: goal shore is the golden goalie.

472
00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:00,200
Speaker 6: From the US and Army.

473
00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:03,080
Speaker 1: They're still kind of in it in the West, like

474
00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:06,800
Speaker 1: almost nobody in the entire league is nailed on out

475
00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:07,760
Speaker 1: of the playoff race.

476
00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:13,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I think they have one of the better

477
00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:15,760
Speaker 3: schedules down the stretcher when you look at strength of schedule.

478
00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:17,400
Speaker 3: I mean we look at that too, and you look

479
00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:18,760
Speaker 3: at some of the games they should have went. Now,

480
00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:21,000
Speaker 3: they lost to the Rangers the other night, which is crazy,

481
00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:23,320
Speaker 3: which just goes to show like this league is nuts, right,

482
00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:26,320
Speaker 3: But you know they're they're kind of still in the fight.

483
00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:28,800
Speaker 3: So we're gonna see, you know, we're gonna see a

484
00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:31,440
Speaker 3: team I think that that that comes in with kind

485
00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:33,320
Speaker 3: of that hole still on their plate that they can

486
00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:35,440
Speaker 3: you know, try to crack in there, try to push

487
00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:37,399
Speaker 3: down the stretch to get in there. And then, like

488
00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:39,840
Speaker 3: you mentioned, they have Hellibuck who is playing good hockey

489
00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:43,760
Speaker 3: right now for them and can you know, seemingly be

490
00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:47,800
Speaker 3: the difference any given night. And so yeah, the Penguins,

491
00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:49,680
Speaker 3: it's like any other night. They have to they can't

492
00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:51,760
Speaker 3: take anyone lightly. They can't say, oh, we don't play

493
00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:54,679
Speaker 3: Winnipeg that much and we'll dip our toes in the

494
00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:56,080
Speaker 3: water here and see how it goes.

495
00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:58,040
Speaker 5: And and you know, to their credit, they haven't done

496
00:24:58,040 --> 00:24:58,520
Speaker 5: that this year.

497
00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:01,880
Speaker 3: Like they've been pretty rock solid starts scoring first obviously,

498
00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:03,960
Speaker 3: but like just coming out ready to play. I like,

499
00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:06,600
Speaker 3: it's been awesome to cover this team. It's been fun

500
00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:10,720
Speaker 3: to watch them and it's been really nice to see

501
00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:13,720
Speaker 3: I think the consistency at which they're prepared to come

502
00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:15,879
Speaker 3: and play and everyone doing their jobs and there I

503
00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:18,480
Speaker 3: give the coaching staff a ton of credit. And that'll

504
00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:20,600
Speaker 3: be a challenge for them, not only this weekend but

505
00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:22,360
Speaker 3: for Winnipeg tomorrow.

506
00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:26,400
Speaker 1: Chrys Latang is struggling, not least in Carolina, the other night.

507
00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:29,280
Speaker 1: Why is Tanger struggling and how can he fix it?

508
00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:29,760
Speaker 6: Per se?

509
00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:33,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, one thing I always say about Tanger is like

510
00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:36,000
Speaker 3: when he tries to do too much, he gets himself

511
00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:38,360
Speaker 3: in trouble. Like he's he's a guy that plays hard

512
00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:40,680
Speaker 3: minutes when he's out there, he gives you hard minutes

513
00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:42,639
Speaker 3: when he tries to do a little much.

514
00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:44,960
Speaker 5: And look, I look at his situation right like he got.

515
00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:47,639
Speaker 3: Girard, who's seemingly back in the lineup and back on

516
00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:51,880
Speaker 3: his you know, back beside him as a partner on defense.

517
00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:54,760
Speaker 3: He's had Kulac before that trade, He's had Ryan Shay.

518
00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:57,239
Speaker 3: He's bounced around on a bunch of different guys here

519
00:25:57,280 --> 00:25:59,439
Speaker 3: in the last few months, which I think, you know,

520
00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:02,159
Speaker 3: and his game starts to struggle a bit, or he's

521
00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:04,360
Speaker 3: searching and he's trying to work out chemistry with each

522
00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:06,320
Speaker 3: partner that he's been paired with, and how's that going

523
00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:08,680
Speaker 3: to look? There's been a lot on his plate there,

524
00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:10,800
Speaker 3: and I think when it gets like that, he tries

525
00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:12,840
Speaker 3: to just do a little too much, and that's when

526
00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:14,560
Speaker 3: you know, things kind of fall apart for Home.

527
00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:18,440
Speaker 5: I don't think it's from lack of effort or you know,

528
00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:20,960
Speaker 5: lack of you know, his game or or what it is.

529
00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:23,159
Speaker 3: I think it's just he forces things a little too

530
00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:25,560
Speaker 3: much and it gets him in trouble and we see

531
00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:27,440
Speaker 3: some of the things we're starting to see, but it's

532
00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:30,399
Speaker 3: it's I definitely think there's a lot to it of

533
00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:33,880
Speaker 3: you know, you look at Carlson, he's having an amazing year.

534
00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:36,480
Speaker 3: He's been paired with Watherspoon all year long, like they're

535
00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:39,680
Speaker 3: pretty rock solid together and it's been rather smooth and

536
00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:42,679
Speaker 3: good for both players. And La Tang hasn't had the

537
00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:45,120
Speaker 3: fortune of kind of having that set up for him,

538
00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:48,280
Speaker 3: so it's something he's had to definitely work through, no question,

539
00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:50,359
Speaker 3: through this season. And then when he starts to press

540
00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:52,320
Speaker 3: a little bit trying to get a little more out

541
00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:54,480
Speaker 3: of himself or up his game, it seems to give

542
00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:57,480
Speaker 3: him a little bit more trouble. So simplify things for Tanger,

543
00:26:57,480 --> 00:27:00,239
Speaker 3: because he's a he's a first pass, you know, it's

544
00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:03,280
Speaker 3: his checks, defense, hard, gets up the ice. Just play

545
00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:05,520
Speaker 3: that simple style game and I think that'll settle his

546
00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:06,040
Speaker 3: game down.

547
00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:08,840
Speaker 1: We're talking to Army on the ex Army on the

548
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:12,639
Speaker 1: other hand, Eric Carlson, he's gone back to the future,

549
00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:15,800
Speaker 1: he might get some Norse votes, and he's gotten better.

550
00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:16,360
Speaker 6: Since the Olympics.

551
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:18,679
Speaker 1: I thought after the Olympics there might be a bit

552
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:20,520
Speaker 1: of a wet done for him, But but no way.

553
00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:23,520
Speaker 3: I think if you looked around the league at the

554
00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:26,880
Speaker 3: players that went to the Olympics and talking some other

555
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:28,920
Speaker 3: coaches and some of the other jobs I have as well,

556
00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:31,000
Speaker 3: like there seems to be like a little bit of

557
00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:32,880
Speaker 3: an emotional letdown from some of these guys. We haven't

558
00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:34,480
Speaker 3: seen that from Carlson. As a matter of fact, he's

559
00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:37,000
Speaker 3: ramped it up, you know, like you know, like when

560
00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:39,720
Speaker 3: I look at him and I see his game this year,

561
00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:42,280
Speaker 3: and then I see like this step, that the extra

562
00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:46,720
Speaker 3: step he's taken, like he's completely owned like I got

563
00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:49,440
Speaker 3: to be a difference maker I might play, and he's

564
00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:51,800
Speaker 3: like feeding off of that with this team from what

565
00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:53,960
Speaker 3: we've seen in the last two years. Just incredible change

566
00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:57,200
Speaker 3: from what we've seen from him. But I say he's

567
00:27:57,280 --> 00:28:01,600
Speaker 3: like the Koucharov of defenseman, Like if you'vev I call

568
00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:05,040
Speaker 3: him Gecko vision. He just sees everything shot pass everywhere.

569
00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:08,080
Speaker 3: The guy's an artist out there. He's literally like it's

570
00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:10,840
Speaker 3: like watching an artist paint a beautiful picture like the

571
00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:14,320
Speaker 3: difference of ability and skill that they have. Carlson is

572
00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:16,360
Speaker 3: that as a defense mean, he's not like the Makar's

573
00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:20,399
Speaker 3: or the queen Who's. He's like cerebrally gifted at seeing

574
00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:23,120
Speaker 3: those shot passes win this stay up. He appears out

575
00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:24,960
Speaker 3: of nowhere. He keeps that buck in the other night,

576
00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:26,480
Speaker 3: should he have been holding the line there?

577
00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:26,840
Speaker 1: I don't know.

578
00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:30,040
Speaker 3: They're flying the zone, but Carlson stays in there, kick safe,

579
00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:31,640
Speaker 3: keeps it in and then later scores.

580
00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:33,280
Speaker 5: I mean, he's just seeing the board.

581
00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:36,919
Speaker 3: He's just seeing it unbelievably, and and you know, his

582
00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:39,640
Speaker 3: contributions I think are building on like what he means

583
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:41,280
Speaker 3: to this team as his years gone on and we're

584
00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:45,160
Speaker 3: seeing it ultimately peek right now. But no one on

585
00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:48,200
Speaker 3: defense has the brain I think and sees it like

586
00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:51,520
Speaker 3: he does to where it's his only comparison is like

587
00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:53,720
Speaker 3: Kucharov for how he does that, and.

588
00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:56,760
Speaker 5: He's a defenseman. It's amazing for what we're seeing from him.

589
00:28:57,280 --> 00:28:59,640
Speaker 1: If the playoffs began today for the Penguins, who do

590
00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:00,920
Speaker 1: you think that with starting goal?

591
00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:03,360
Speaker 2: Oh?

592
00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:05,520
Speaker 5: Good question, man.

593
00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:08,520
Speaker 3: I A while back I would have said probably Skinner

594
00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:11,400
Speaker 3: with his experience. You know, I think she Lobs is

595
00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:14,400
Speaker 3: really cranked it up. I thought even in that game,

596
00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:19,240
Speaker 3: I thought, you know, Skinner played not that and even

597
00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:20,680
Speaker 3: the goals he's given up and if you look at

598
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:23,280
Speaker 3: his start searching for a win and battling in there,

599
00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:25,920
Speaker 3: and he's given us some you know, great performances for

600
00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:28,520
Speaker 3: the Penguins in trying to get points and get wins.

601
00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:32,440
Speaker 5: But it's it's so hard to say with both of them.

602
00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:34,080
Speaker 3: And I think the setup has been really good for

603
00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:36,320
Speaker 3: both of them is whatever you can say about that.

604
00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:39,800
Speaker 1: But what they rotating the playoffs Army, I love the rotation.

605
00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:41,920
Speaker 1: Would yeah, I don't think so either, But can you

606
00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:45,680
Speaker 1: explain why? Because nobody can tell me why except that

607
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:47,960
Speaker 1: nobody ever has dating way back.

608
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:51,000
Speaker 6: Maybe the EJ and cheesy for the Bruins.

609
00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:54,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, maybe maybe they will. I mean maybe they Maybe

610
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:56,120
Speaker 5: that's the recipe. Maybe that's what works. I mean.

611
00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:59,080
Speaker 3: The thing about the Penguins and really their secret sauce

612
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:01,680
Speaker 3: to this entire sea in is the coaching staff and

613
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:04,800
Speaker 3: Dan Muse and the players. Yes, but like the complete

614
00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:10,080
Speaker 3: buy in of expectations and job and what your role

615
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:13,520
Speaker 3: is and playing within that and getting opportunity to and

616
00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:15,600
Speaker 3: then what you're seeing from that as the players going, Okay, this.

617
00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:16,160
Speaker 5: Is what we are.

618
00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:18,400
Speaker 3: You know, we got to play this way, but and

619
00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:21,480
Speaker 3: and we got to contribute. But we're giving an opportunity,

620
00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:24,480
Speaker 3: like all players really want is an opportunity to play

621
00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:27,080
Speaker 3: a little bit more, be involved a little bit more,

622
00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:30,080
Speaker 3: and have a job to do that you know, otherwise

623
00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:33,280
Speaker 3: helps the team. And the coaching staff has been able

624
00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:35,320
Speaker 3: to find that down and through this lineup and every

625
00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:37,520
Speaker 3: single part, like the fourth line is just massive to

626
00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:40,160
Speaker 3: they score every night, no, but they're impactful, and they

627
00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:42,360
Speaker 3: get ice time, and they get put in spots after

628
00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:45,480
Speaker 3: a goal for or against, after a penalty kill boom,

629
00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:47,680
Speaker 3: they're out there late in games when they have to

630
00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:49,960
Speaker 3: block shops and do hard things. At line has been

631
00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:52,560
Speaker 3: given free reign to like be a big part of it,

632
00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:57,640
Speaker 3: and they've gotten contributions down the board from everyone offensively, yes,

633
00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:00,360
Speaker 3: but through that they're getting their best life and they're

634
00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:02,480
Speaker 3: all around two hundred foot game as well through it,

635
00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:04,600
Speaker 3: and so they've done a masterful job. It's spreading it

636
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:07,120
Speaker 3: out and making everyone feel involved. And I think the

637
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:09,120
Speaker 3: same thing goes for the goaltending. I think it's worked

638
00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:12,160
Speaker 3: that way so maybe they they do the rotation. I

639
00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:14,760
Speaker 3: mean it's they When you think that, are they going

640
00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:15,480
Speaker 3: to keep doing.

641
00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:15,920
Speaker 5: This all year?

642
00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:18,400
Speaker 3: Like the first couple of months, okay, but he's stuck

643
00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:21,479
Speaker 3: to it all year long and goaltending trades and everything,

644
00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:23,120
Speaker 3: everything that's happened, he's stuck to.

645
00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:23,360
Speaker 5: I think.

646
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:26,120
Speaker 3: I think one time where we had I think it

647
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:28,160
Speaker 3: was maybe she loves that went like back to back

648
00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:30,560
Speaker 3: in like November, and other than that.

649
00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:32,640
Speaker 5: It's been flip flop, flip bluff, flip bloped the whole

650
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:33,080
Speaker 5: way down.

651
00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:35,880
Speaker 3: And it's allowed them to prepare, it's allowed them to

652
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:38,200
Speaker 3: get ready to be at their best. It's allowed them

653
00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:40,040
Speaker 3: to forget about the last outing and get ready for

654
00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:42,080
Speaker 3: the next one. And it's allowed them to have a

655
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Speaker 3: little bit of a battle game, the game of each

656
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Speaker 3: guy like putting their best foot forward and kept that

657
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Speaker 3: inner competition high. And it's worked for them and it's

658
00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:52,000
Speaker 3: worked for this entire lineup as well. Everyone's feeding off

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Speaker 3: of it.

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Speaker 6: Okay, Army, here's the big question.

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Speaker 1: Who should get the puck from the Golden Goald, jack

662
00:31:57,040 --> 00:31:58,280
Speaker 1: Us and the Hockey Hall of Fame.

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00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:04,440
Speaker 5: I honestly, honestly, this is what I feel. I do

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Speaker 5: not care. If the player wants the puck, give him

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Speaker 5: the puck.

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Speaker 6: Who no, No, I'd rather have it be on display.

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Speaker 1: I wonder if it shouldn't be in the US Hockey

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Speaker 1: Hall of Fame in Minnesota.

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Speaker 3: Probably yeah, probably a better place for it. Maybe, I mean,

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Speaker 3: it's so monumental of a goal though that it Maybe

671
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Speaker 3: the Hockey Hall of Fame is a bigger statue statue

672
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Speaker 3: to hold that kind of heirloom.

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Speaker 5: I guess you could call it.

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Speaker 3: But like, yeah, it's a massive moment, it's it's huge,

675
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Speaker 3: huge for usday hockey. It should probably be shared at

676
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Speaker 3: both Hall of Fames if it's going to be in there.

677
00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:38,360
Speaker 3: But at the end of the day, if the player

678
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Speaker 3: wants the puck, I mean, give him the puck. At

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00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:43,239
Speaker 3: the end of the day, though, Like, wouldn't you if

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00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:45,160
Speaker 3: you had the pucket? If that was me and I

681
00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:48,280
Speaker 3: wanted the puck? Let to say, after a while, I'm like, hey,

682
00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:49,720
Speaker 3: you know what I should do with this puck. I

683
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:52,000
Speaker 3: should probably give this puck to the Hall of Fame

684
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Speaker 3: to be on display. So one way or the other,

685
00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:57,160
Speaker 3: it'll end up there. It'll be there. Maybe he wants

686
00:32:57,240 --> 00:32:59,080
Speaker 3: to have it like his gold medal as like one

687
00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:01,760
Speaker 3: of those things for the I'm being well.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna be honest, Army, he's dating that Tate McCray.

689
00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:06,040
Speaker 1: I'd want to I'd want to see her wearing nothing

690
00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:07,360
Speaker 1: but the gold medal and the puck.

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00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:11,040
Speaker 5: Yeah, you just have it next to the bed.

692
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:14,000
Speaker 3: Is like a little uh little figurine there for you

693
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:16,560
Speaker 3: to pump up your puff your chest up a little bit.

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Speaker 1: Well, Army, I gotta tell you, I mean one thing

695
00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:22,400
Speaker 1: that's being ignored. This isn't as big a deal as

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Speaker 1: the winner classic goal that you scored.

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Speaker 6: And where's the puck for that? Do you have the puck?

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Speaker 5: I don't know where that puck is. I never thought

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Speaker 5: of it.

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Speaker 3: And like, how dare if the Hall of Fame has it,

701
00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:35,640
Speaker 3: how dare they keep that puck from me? I never

702
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:38,280
Speaker 3: thought they would just take it. But if they have it,

703
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:41,280
Speaker 3: how dare they have it? I don't know where it is.

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00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:44,240
Speaker 3: Whoever hasn't give it back to me. It's my puck.

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Speaker 3: I'm the thing.

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Speaker 5: I gotta put it next to my throne. Mark right,

707
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:48,320
Speaker 5: how it works?

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Speaker 1: As you know, I'm big in agreement with you on this,

709
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:53,840
Speaker 1: but but since you don't have that puck. What is

710
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:56,360
Speaker 1: your biggest piece of memorabilia from your career?

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Speaker 3: My coolest thing that I have, and a shower out

712
00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:05,480
Speaker 3: to the I think it was the Wilkesbury Booster Club.

713
00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:10,000
Speaker 3: Maybe after I scored my first any well, they sent

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Speaker 3: me like a little puck holding placard thing to be

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Speaker 3: able to put that puck into.

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Speaker 5: So I have that, but that's probably one of the

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Speaker 5: coolest things.

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Speaker 3: And then a gold medal that I won with Team

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Speaker 3: Canada World Championships, and a silver medal that I don't

720
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Speaker 3: I don't even know where the silver medal is. I

721
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Speaker 3: gave it to my mom and I think she still

722
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Speaker 3: has that in her purse that she shows people sometimes.

723
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Speaker 3: So she has my hockey cards and things to give

724
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Speaker 3: to like little kids, and she has them all the time,

725
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:41,680
Speaker 3: right all the time. Man, She's like crazy, she has

726
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Speaker 3: them all the time. And it's just like you know,

727
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Speaker 3: kids will come to your mom gave me one of

728
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Speaker 3: your cards at the rink the other day. You know,

729
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:49,000
Speaker 3: I'll hear from it like years later, like your mom

730
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:51,320
Speaker 3: gave me one, you know, five years ago. She always

731
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Speaker 3: had stuff on her So, yeah, she's she's one of

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Speaker 3: the better spokesmen. I have in my corner, no question,

733
00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:01,040
Speaker 3: but I'd say those those me. I'm not a big memory.

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00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:03,920
Speaker 3: I did never collected Memorabiley that much. And I know

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00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:06,920
Speaker 3: guys got sticks and you know, collect some sticks and

736
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Speaker 3: other guys are good with things.

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Speaker 5: I never did that.

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Speaker 3: I never had the brain to go I should probably

739
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Speaker 3: get this or ask this person for this, so I don't.

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Speaker 5: I don't have much for the collections.

741
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Speaker 3: I'm an old school like born in the eighties, like

742
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:22,160
Speaker 3: it lives in my brain. I don't take pictures a lot.

743
00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:24,160
Speaker 3: I don't do all that stuff. I don't capture everything.

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00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:26,400
Speaker 3: I just live in the now. Mark, I just lived

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Speaker 3: for today. That's how I work. That's how the King

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Speaker 3: of the Winter Classic operates.

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Speaker 1: And we got to close with that because it's the

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Speaker 1: perfect note to go out on Army.

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Speaker 6: Great stuff.

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Speaker 1: Tell Cruz good luck to Nationals, your boy, and we'll

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Speaker 1: talk again real soon.

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00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:40,879
Speaker 5: All right, buddy, enjoy the games this weekend. Thanks Mark.

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Speaker 1: do after having won in the first four Oh wait,

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Speaker 1: they're down twenty three seventeen, I'm told by Tom in

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Speaker 1: my ear. Okay, there's plenty of time to make that up.

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00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:59,440
Speaker 1: But the auto mid majors pulled up sets yesterday, so

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Speaker 1: we'll talk about that at the top of the hour.

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Speaker 6: Right now, let's go to Dino. Dino. You're on with double.

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Speaker 2: M Hey Mark.

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Speaker 10: Out of all the TV and movie TV show and

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00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:14,120
Speaker 10: movie characters played by Walton Goggins. Where would you rank

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Speaker 10: his character of Baby Billy and the Righteous Gemstones.

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00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:20,600
Speaker 1: I really liked the Righteous Gemstones and I thought he

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00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:27,400
Speaker 1: was the properly sleazy and evil TV preacher the Mercenary, Uh,

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00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:31,320
Speaker 1: just like Danny McBride, really all the kids. I thought

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Speaker 1: that John Goodman and his wife you know who, was

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Speaker 1: kind of in the show after the fact, having passed

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00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:40,200
Speaker 1: away the character did before the show even started, but

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Speaker 1: they had all those flashbacks. But Goodman had a good

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Speaker 1: side to him, and I think everybody else was just evil,

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Speaker 1: and I think Baby Billy was a big part of that.

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Speaker 1: What other Walton Goggins characters would you rank?

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Speaker 6: Right up there? I thought he was great. Vice Principles, Oh.

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Speaker 10: Vice Principles is fantastic, and White Lotus.

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Speaker 6: I never saw White Lotus.

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Speaker 10: I recommend it.

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Speaker 5: It's really good.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, let's go to Newman Newman Newman.

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Speaker 4: Well, Jerry, I haven't seen any of the Blue Jackets

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Speaker 4: games during this insane point streets that they're on other

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Speaker 4: than the one to getst the Penns, So I was wondering,

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00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:24,120
Speaker 4: do you know what it is they're doing so differently

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00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:26,920
Speaker 4: to be doing so well, like scoring more goals.

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00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:30,799
Speaker 1: Defending better well, well, Wrensky is like no worse than

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Speaker 1: the third best defenseman in the league. He's in the

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Speaker 1: class with Quinn Ughes and Kill mccarr and he'd get

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00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:38,760
Speaker 1: a lot more notice if he wasn't in Columbus freaking Ohio.

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Speaker 1: But he gets out there and he just runs the

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Speaker 1: show and plays a ton of minutes, and they're leaning

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Speaker 1: into that more and more, and he's doing better more

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Speaker 1: and more.

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Speaker 6: They also have drafted well.

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Speaker 1: They have a bunch of kind of edgy players up front,

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Speaker 1: like the Russian guys. They have that score, but they're

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Speaker 1: edgy two, you know what I mean. They just they

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00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:58,240
Speaker 1: just threw a really tough team to play against. Remember

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00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:01,160
Speaker 1: when Selly always used to say the Penguins needed to

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00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:04,120
Speaker 1: be tough to play against, but after such and such

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Speaker 1: a year under him, they rarely were.

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Speaker 6: Well, Columbus is really hard to play against.

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Speaker 2: Huh.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's wild that you know. This is after they

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00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:16,399
Speaker 4: hand it off Chinakov too, Like, imagine what that team

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Speaker 4: could be like with him, though, I don't know, maybe.

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Speaker 1: See I gotta be honest, I gotta be honest. I

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Speaker 1: haven't seen the Islanders and Columbus play a lot on TV.

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Speaker 1: I have a bit more faith in them than I

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Speaker 1: do the Penguins right now, just because the Penguins can't

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Speaker 1: steal the deal in overtime and shootouts. I mean, we're

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Speaker 1: talking about who's gonna make it, who's gonna not, And

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Speaker 1: like I said, I have the.

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Speaker 6: Penguins at fifty to fifty.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for the call, Newman, maybe maybe sixty forty

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Speaker 1: in favor of making it.

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Speaker 6: As always, I live in hope. Let's go to a talkback.

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Speaker 5: If Jeremany wins the Battle of Britain, do they win

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Speaker 5: the war?

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Speaker 6: That's a good question.

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Speaker 1: Are you talking about if if Germany gets written to

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Speaker 1: surrender or have an armistice?

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Speaker 6: Probably?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, probably, because it would have been almost impossible for

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Speaker 1: the US had they joined the war ever, to find

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Speaker 1: a place from which the stage an invasion, which obviously

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Speaker 1: England was ideal for right across the channel.

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Speaker 6: So yeah, if.

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Speaker 1: Hitler had had won, if Hitler had invaded Britain, and

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Speaker 1: I don't know why to, I mean, he made so

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Speaker 1: many bad decisions, like fighting a war on two fronts,

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Speaker 1: you know, not utilizing tactical surrender in Russia when it

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Speaker 1: could have done him a world of good. But had

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Speaker 1: he invaded England, I think he would have won the war.

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Speaker 1: I don't think England could have repelled the Germans. I

874
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Speaker 1: have no idea. I know Hitler had an odd respect

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Speaker 1: for the English, considered them arians as well, and I'm

876
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Speaker 1: sure that was part of it.

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Speaker 6: But why he never invaded I do not know. Why

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Speaker 6: he didn't wipe out the.

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Speaker 1: British Expeditionary Force at Dunkirk when he had the chance.

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Speaker 6: I do not know.

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Speaker 1: Hitler was just a tactical imbecile. Once you got past

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Speaker 1: the lightning War phase of conquering France and you know

883
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Speaker 1: all all of Western Europe, let's go to Anderson. Anderson,

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Speaker 1: you're on with double.

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Speaker 11: M hey, Mark, I just want to ask you if

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Speaker 11: you thought that one of the best movie scenes in

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Speaker 11: history was when Chuck Norris dumped the beer on himself

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Speaker 11: and then drove the ram charger up out of the

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Speaker 11: hole in that episode called Bury the Live.

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Speaker 6: What was that in Walkshire, Texas Ranger Long Wolfy. I

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Speaker 6: didn't see Lone Wolf mcquin.

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Speaker 1: I gotta be honest, I'm kind of paying homage to

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Speaker 1: Chuck Norris here, having barely seen anything he did.

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Speaker 6: But he was a badass. I'll tell you that. Thank

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Speaker 6: you for the call.