1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:00,440 Speaker 1: The X. 2 00:00:00,520 --> 00:00:02,480 Speaker 2: This is the Mark Madden Show. You can also follow 3 00:00:02,560 --> 00:00:05,080 Speaker 2: me on Twitter at Mark Madden X. Think about this. 4 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:09,520 Speaker 2: Ben retired in twenty twenty one, and the Steelers still 5 00:00:09,560 --> 00:00:13,080 Speaker 2: have to come close to solving their quarterback problem and 6 00:00:13,119 --> 00:00:15,760 Speaker 2: have made numerous mistakes along the way. 7 00:00:15,840 --> 00:00:19,760 Speaker 1: Now, the other idea. 8 00:00:19,480 --> 00:00:21,680 Speaker 2: Is to tank to get the quarterback, to try to 9 00:00:21,720 --> 00:00:24,520 Speaker 2: tank for Arch, although boy, that would take a lot 10 00:00:24,560 --> 00:00:26,960 Speaker 2: of tanking because I think he would have to go 11 00:00:27,000 --> 00:00:31,760 Speaker 2: a long way to not be the number one pick 12 00:00:31,760 --> 00:00:34,960 Speaker 2: in next year's draft. I think you'd have to like 13 00:00:35,080 --> 00:00:38,199 Speaker 2: disown the Manning family and get adopted by Ryan Leaf maybe. 14 00:00:39,960 --> 00:00:42,159 Speaker 2: And the notion now is the Steelers don't need the 15 00:00:42,200 --> 00:00:45,600 Speaker 2: tank to get their quarterback because Seattle had one losing 16 00:00:45,640 --> 00:00:49,519 Speaker 2: season in the last fourteen, So why don't the Steelers 17 00:00:49,520 --> 00:00:52,600 Speaker 2: do that? And it's been pointed out that the last 18 00:00:52,640 --> 00:00:55,360 Speaker 2: five Super Bowl winning teams got their quarterbacks via free 19 00:00:55,360 --> 00:01:00,480 Speaker 2: agency and free agency and trade and in the after 20 00:01:00,480 --> 00:01:02,800 Speaker 2: going twelve and four, and in the draft after going 21 00:01:02,880 --> 00:01:08,080 Speaker 2: nine and seven, And that's said by Stooge is wanting 22 00:01:08,120 --> 00:01:11,000 Speaker 2: to validate the Steelers approach of always trying to compete 23 00:01:11,680 --> 00:01:13,200 Speaker 2: and never having a losing season. 24 00:01:13,880 --> 00:01:16,080 Speaker 1: But Okay. If that's your method, then make it work. 25 00:01:16,800 --> 00:01:20,399 Speaker 2: Your drafted picket that did not work, you sign Trubisky, 26 00:01:21,120 --> 00:01:24,520 Speaker 2: Russ and now Rogers did not work, did not work. 27 00:01:24,319 --> 00:01:25,000 Speaker 1: Will not work. 28 00:01:26,120 --> 00:01:30,080 Speaker 2: So don't tell me why your way works when it 29 00:01:30,240 --> 00:01:30,959 Speaker 2: doesn't work. 30 00:01:32,120 --> 00:01:34,160 Speaker 1: You tell me that Seattle didn't have to tank. 31 00:01:34,240 --> 00:01:36,520 Speaker 2: Okay, but they spend one hundred million dollars on Donald, 32 00:01:37,800 --> 00:01:41,920 Speaker 2: a bold move. Steelers could have got Donald, didn't even try. 33 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:44,560 Speaker 2: New England did go four and thirteen and got Drake May. 34 00:01:45,640 --> 00:01:47,240 Speaker 2: But if you don't have to tank, if you're so 35 00:01:47,360 --> 00:01:50,400 Speaker 2: proud of this, no losing season's crap that leads to 36 00:01:50,440 --> 00:01:53,320 Speaker 2: nothing except disappointment. If you want to continue that, okay, 37 00:01:53,360 --> 00:01:56,440 Speaker 2: then make it work. And running it back with a 38 00:01:56,480 --> 00:02:00,680 Speaker 2: forty three year old quarterback doesn't seem to fit down description. 39 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:03,280 Speaker 2: I don't want to be told that my way is 40 00:02:03,320 --> 00:02:05,520 Speaker 2: wrong when their way isn't working. 41 00:02:05,640 --> 00:02:06,480 Speaker 1: Over and over again. 42 00:02:06,960 --> 00:02:11,760 Speaker 2: It's not working, Rogers and Russ, the old fossils, that's 43 00:02:11,800 --> 00:02:12,799 Speaker 2: patch working. 44 00:02:12,560 --> 00:02:15,720 Speaker 1: Nothing more more and more. I'm for starting will Howard. 45 00:02:15,760 --> 00:02:19,519 Speaker 2: They won't, but that would likely either find the guy 46 00:02:19,560 --> 00:02:23,720 Speaker 2: in Howard or go four and thirteen. No risk it, 47 00:02:24,560 --> 00:02:28,520 Speaker 2: no biscuit so much of all, this discussion is just 48 00:02:28,600 --> 00:02:32,720 Speaker 2: double talking BS. And you talk about Seattle and what 49 00:02:32,760 --> 00:02:36,840 Speaker 2: they've done without having just the one losing season they've 50 00:02:36,840 --> 00:02:40,000 Speaker 2: had in the fourteen years. Well, that's because they've drafted great, 51 00:02:40,400 --> 00:02:43,600 Speaker 2: which the Steelers don't. That's because they traded Russ who 52 00:02:43,600 --> 00:02:45,920 Speaker 2: wound up with the Steelers a couple teams later and 53 00:02:45,960 --> 00:02:47,960 Speaker 2: got a bunch of draft picks and got a lot 54 00:02:47,960 --> 00:02:51,919 Speaker 2: of cap space which they used to build this super 55 00:02:51,919 --> 00:02:54,800 Speaker 2: Bowl winning team. The Steelers might have been able to 56 00:02:54,840 --> 00:02:58,080 Speaker 2: do similar had they traded TJ. Watt when they should 57 00:02:58,120 --> 00:03:03,120 Speaker 2: have a couple years a go. The situation the quarterback 58 00:03:03,160 --> 00:03:05,399 Speaker 2: with the Steelers, like I said, remember they didn't even 59 00:03:05,440 --> 00:03:12,320 Speaker 2: go after Sam Darnold. They preferred Aaron Rodgers begged him 60 00:03:12,320 --> 00:03:14,200 Speaker 2: to come here. And that is all the people need 61 00:03:14,240 --> 00:03:18,160 Speaker 2: to know what they should do. I say again, ditch Rogers, 62 00:03:18,240 --> 00:03:23,800 Speaker 2: sign Malik Willis, draft the quarterback next year. Heads your bet. 63 00:03:24,520 --> 00:03:28,280 Speaker 2: Trust the quarterback whisperer McCarthy to do just that and 64 00:03:28,400 --> 00:03:33,120 Speaker 2: see what sticks to the wall. Somebody suggested getting Derek 65 00:03:33,200 --> 00:03:35,800 Speaker 2: Carr if he comes out of retirements, you why not 66 00:03:35,960 --> 00:03:39,760 Speaker 2: just bring Johnny Andanidis out of the grave to play. 67 00:03:40,080 --> 00:03:42,560 Speaker 2: He's a Pittsburgh guy, and at least he's officially dead, 68 00:03:42,840 --> 00:03:46,280 Speaker 2: not like Rogers, So. 69 00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:47,240 Speaker 1: I'm right there. Wrong. 70 00:03:47,320 --> 00:03:50,920 Speaker 2: Let's see what you think. Eight three to three four 71 00:03:50,960 --> 00:03:56,400 Speaker 2: one two wxdx. What they're they're reviewing something? What's under review? 72 00:03:57,680 --> 00:04:02,480 Speaker 2: US leads two nail over Canada on elbow to the head, 73 00:04:02,880 --> 00:04:06,480 Speaker 2: those dirty Canadians. Elbow to the head, that serious file 74 00:04:06,520 --> 00:04:12,920 Speaker 2: playing a red card. One interesting thing about Olympic hockey. 75 00:04:14,040 --> 00:04:18,160 Speaker 2: I think the X factor, well, actually that's ridiculous. It's 76 00:04:18,160 --> 00:04:21,840 Speaker 2: the biggest factor in any hockey played anywhere, but maybe 77 00:04:21,880 --> 00:04:27,360 Speaker 2: more so, particularly in this men's tournament, is who's got 78 00:04:27,360 --> 00:04:30,080 Speaker 2: the best goaltending? Because you know who has the best 79 00:04:30,080 --> 00:04:35,360 Speaker 2: goaltending Russia, and Russia isn't there. It ain't Canada because 80 00:04:35,400 --> 00:04:39,240 Speaker 2: they're starting Binnington, hell about and Oudinger and Swayman for 81 00:04:39,279 --> 00:04:41,400 Speaker 2: the US, but none of them are having great years, 82 00:04:41,600 --> 00:04:46,599 Speaker 2: good but not great. Gustavson for Sweden, the ex Penguin. 83 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:51,960 Speaker 2: So nobody's got great goaltending. Maybe VENs Malcom from the Czechs. 84 00:04:51,960 --> 00:04:53,560 Speaker 2: He plays for Utah. You've never heard of him, but 85 00:04:53,600 --> 00:04:57,800 Speaker 2: he's pretty good. I'm telling you that first game for 86 00:04:57,920 --> 00:05:01,680 Speaker 2: Canada against the Czechs that's gonna be a tight game. 87 00:05:03,360 --> 00:05:04,560 Speaker 1: None of these teams suck. 88 00:05:04,800 --> 00:05:07,000 Speaker 2: I mean even like your Laffeas have like you know, 89 00:05:07,200 --> 00:05:10,160 Speaker 2: decent players, and they're elbowing the head like that guy 90 00:05:10,160 --> 00:05:14,120 Speaker 2: did the McAvoy Switzerland. I know that the World Championships 91 00:05:14,160 --> 00:05:17,719 Speaker 2: are like the beaglest Olympics, but Switzerland's finished second the 92 00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:20,440 Speaker 2: last two years and they've got guys like Roman Yosi. 93 00:05:21,360 --> 00:05:24,080 Speaker 2: Russia could have won this just based on goaltending Vasilevski 94 00:05:24,120 --> 00:05:25,800 Speaker 2: and it's just starking to Blebrovsky. 95 00:05:26,480 --> 00:05:28,360 Speaker 1: Instead they're hitting the vodka. I don't blame him. 96 00:05:29,279 --> 00:05:33,359 Speaker 2: Canada, you know what candads should have done, like like 97 00:05:33,640 --> 00:05:38,200 Speaker 2: brought in Vassi and sis Terkin and Blebroski won two, 98 00:05:38,360 --> 00:05:41,320 Speaker 2: all of them, and said, listen, you're not gonna play 99 00:05:41,320 --> 00:05:43,679 Speaker 2: an Olympics. How would you like to be a Canadian citizen? 100 00:05:43,680 --> 00:05:44,760 Speaker 2: How'd you like a passport? 101 00:05:46,839 --> 00:05:47,320 Speaker 1: Alrighty? 102 00:05:47,360 --> 00:05:51,360 Speaker 2: Then eight three three four one two WSTX Oh that's 103 00:05:51,360 --> 00:05:54,799 Speaker 2: not a major, it's just a minor penalty. 104 00:05:55,600 --> 00:05:56,200 Speaker 1: I can't believe. 105 00:05:56,240 --> 00:05:59,400 Speaker 2: George Paris is the is the is the uh director 106 00:05:59,400 --> 00:06:02,400 Speaker 2: of player say here too, us cram and the net 107 00:06:02,480 --> 00:06:06,360 Speaker 2: and it's in Is it in us celebrating ref says 108 00:06:06,400 --> 00:06:06,839 Speaker 2: no goal. 109 00:06:10,200 --> 00:06:12,279 Speaker 1: This is almost as exciting if it were men's hockey. 110 00:06:12,279 --> 00:06:15,280 Speaker 1: One O five to nine the X. It's not fair. 111 00:06:15,320 --> 00:06:15,880 Speaker 3: It's not fair. 112 00:06:16,320 --> 00:06:17,920 Speaker 1: The X one nine. 113 00:06:23,720 --> 00:06:26,520 Speaker 2: USA now off three nil over candidate and women's hockey. 114 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:29,720 Speaker 2: It's not an elimination game. Keep it in your pants. 115 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:34,719 Speaker 2: It's a group stage game. Both teams will advance to 116 00:06:34,760 --> 00:06:38,600 Speaker 2: the playoffs. But it's three nil a little over three 117 00:06:38,640 --> 00:06:42,120 Speaker 2: minutes into the second period. As the gunner would say, 118 00:06:43,320 --> 00:06:45,880 Speaker 2: the US putting the Canadian ladies on the noon balloon. 119 00:06:45,960 --> 00:06:54,120 Speaker 1: The Saskatoon Uh, I gave you my quarterback plan. 120 00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:56,640 Speaker 2: If you want to talk about it, great, If not, 121 00:06:57,839 --> 00:06:59,800 Speaker 2: the less we talk about the Steelers the better. But 122 00:07:00,200 --> 00:07:02,279 Speaker 2: I think Aaron Rodgers has washed. I think he'll be 123 00:07:02,320 --> 00:07:04,640 Speaker 2: worse next year than this. I don't see the point 124 00:07:04,640 --> 00:07:07,600 Speaker 2: of having a forty three year old quarterback. And I 125 00:07:07,640 --> 00:07:10,360 Speaker 2: would go with Malik Willis as a free agent, draft 126 00:07:10,360 --> 00:07:13,920 Speaker 2: the quarterback this year or next and figure that McCarthy, 127 00:07:14,040 --> 00:07:18,160 Speaker 2: as a noted quarterback whisperer, would be able to make 128 00:07:18,240 --> 00:07:20,360 Speaker 2: one of those guys, either Willis or the draft pick 129 00:07:20,360 --> 00:07:23,120 Speaker 2: into your long term starter. But that would require the 130 00:07:23,160 --> 00:07:28,320 Speaker 2: Steelers thinking past the next game, and they never do that. 131 00:07:28,920 --> 00:07:31,360 Speaker 2: The Steelers don't know what they're doing. That's what nobody 132 00:07:31,400 --> 00:07:36,600 Speaker 2: likes to say. But the owner is clueless. The GMS 133 00:07:36,600 --> 00:07:40,160 Speaker 2: of Bean Connor not a football guy. McCarthy's played the 134 00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:43,000 Speaker 2: most knowledgeable football guy they got, and in that regard, 135 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:47,880 Speaker 2: I think he's an upgrade over Tomlin. But every time 136 00:07:47,920 --> 00:07:50,000 Speaker 2: the Steelers make a move, I just expect it to 137 00:07:50,040 --> 00:07:53,520 Speaker 2: be the wrong one. But my plan at quarterback is 138 00:07:53,560 --> 00:07:56,800 Speaker 2: a better plan than theirs. I'm totally sure about that. 139 00:07:56,960 --> 00:08:01,240 Speaker 2: So your thoughts at A three, three four one to WXDX. 140 00:08:02,720 --> 00:08:04,200 Speaker 1: We can also talk about Cutch. 141 00:08:04,240 --> 00:08:08,600 Speaker 2: Everybody's out with the sympathy and violins for cuts because 142 00:08:08,640 --> 00:08:11,760 Speaker 2: it looks like the Pirates have done him dirty and 143 00:08:11,840 --> 00:08:17,040 Speaker 2: cuts his eyes and in some of the media fanboys eyes, 144 00:08:17,520 --> 00:08:19,040 Speaker 2: and they have And this is all in Cutch. 145 00:08:19,440 --> 00:08:22,240 Speaker 1: They just don't want him anymore. They don't need him anymore. 146 00:08:22,920 --> 00:08:24,800 Speaker 2: He was a nostalgia act for a couple of years, 147 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:28,000 Speaker 2: an extra parogi that they let hit once in a while, 148 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:30,800 Speaker 2: and the stats were okay in the context of a 149 00:08:30,840 --> 00:08:32,840 Speaker 2: team that stinks. But now they don't want the team 150 00:08:32,840 --> 00:08:35,640 Speaker 2: to stink anymore, and now they're bringing in better players, 151 00:08:35,840 --> 00:08:38,920 Speaker 2: and you got to turn the page and this will 152 00:08:38,960 --> 00:08:42,200 Speaker 2: become a cost celeb and the Pirates deserve nothing less 153 00:08:42,240 --> 00:08:46,840 Speaker 2: because they've used every means at their disposal to distract 154 00:08:47,080 --> 00:08:50,040 Speaker 2: when things were bad. Now that things are getting better, 155 00:08:51,480 --> 00:08:55,319 Speaker 2: if this is going to distract, well, the old switcheroo 156 00:08:55,559 --> 00:09:00,240 Speaker 2: is fair play. But Cuts doesn't deserve anything more what 157 00:09:00,240 --> 00:09:02,840 Speaker 2: he's gotten from the Pirates over the years. And we 158 00:09:02,840 --> 00:09:05,040 Speaker 2: shouldn't forget that he left for more money and to 159 00:09:05,080 --> 00:09:07,680 Speaker 2: have a better chance to win, and that's as he 160 00:09:07,679 --> 00:09:10,959 Speaker 2: should have done, and nobody should blame him, but that 161 00:09:11,040 --> 00:09:14,520 Speaker 2: kind of denies him extra favor. At the end of 162 00:09:14,520 --> 00:09:17,439 Speaker 2: his second go round, there were some idiots on Twitter 163 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:21,640 Speaker 2: who were comparing Kutch to Sid and Ben, saying to me, 164 00:09:22,160 --> 00:09:25,320 Speaker 2: you wouldn't be disrespecting Sid and Ben if this happened 165 00:09:25,360 --> 00:09:28,800 Speaker 2: to them like you are Cutch. Well, first off, it 166 00:09:28,840 --> 00:09:31,640 Speaker 2: did kind of happen to Ben because Ben wanted to 167 00:09:31,679 --> 00:09:34,040 Speaker 2: keep playing and they didn't want him to, and Ben 168 00:09:34,080 --> 00:09:36,240 Speaker 2: handled it with class, dignity and character. 169 00:09:38,559 --> 00:09:39,920 Speaker 1: Sid. I don't know. 170 00:09:39,920 --> 00:09:41,640 Speaker 2: I don't think it's gonna happen to him, but if 171 00:09:41,640 --> 00:09:45,240 Speaker 2: it does, he'll handle it better. And in terms of impact, 172 00:09:45,280 --> 00:09:48,800 Speaker 2: on their teams and on this town. Cutch isn't a 173 00:09:48,880 --> 00:09:53,840 Speaker 2: pimple on sid or Ben's ass. Sorry, but them's the facts. 174 00:09:54,280 --> 00:09:57,080 Speaker 2: You don't like it. All I'm doing is telling the truth. 175 00:09:58,720 --> 00:10:00,559 Speaker 2: By the way, somebody brought up cal Us in the 176 00:10:00,640 --> 00:10:07,160 Speaker 2: third uh that he's likely gone. I'll tell you what. 177 00:10:07,760 --> 00:10:09,880 Speaker 2: I think he did okay during his time here, given 178 00:10:09,920 --> 00:10:12,360 Speaker 2: his role, but I'd get rid of him just to 179 00:10:12,440 --> 00:10:13,080 Speaker 2: change things up. 180 00:10:13,080 --> 00:10:15,240 Speaker 1: I wouldn't bring a guy like Skronic back either. 181 00:10:15,880 --> 00:10:19,320 Speaker 2: I would clean house among the peripheral guys because at 182 00:10:19,360 --> 00:10:21,360 Speaker 2: the very least you're gonna get guys who are probably 183 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:26,760 Speaker 2: just as good, and I want a different feeling. Here's 184 00:10:26,800 --> 00:10:29,600 Speaker 2: one more great stat from the Super Bowl. New England 185 00:10:29,679 --> 00:10:34,760 Speaker 2: completed seven passes and punted the ball eight times. Cheez, 186 00:10:34,960 --> 00:10:37,360 Speaker 2: no wonder they lost. Let's go to Nick in the truck. 187 00:10:37,440 --> 00:10:38,160 Speaker 2: Nick real quick. 188 00:10:39,880 --> 00:10:42,440 Speaker 4: Hey, Mark, I think the quarterback situation is irrelevant for 189 00:10:42,480 --> 00:10:45,240 Speaker 4: next year. I'm because I'm hoping that it's going to 190 00:10:45,280 --> 00:10:48,720 Speaker 4: be a receiver draft this year for us everything that 191 00:10:48,760 --> 00:10:51,440 Speaker 4: we need and worry about the quarterback and the draft 192 00:10:51,440 --> 00:10:51,959 Speaker 4: for next year. 193 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:53,560 Speaker 1: So I yeah, I mean, why not put it off 194 00:10:53,559 --> 00:10:54,079 Speaker 1: another year? 195 00:10:54,080 --> 00:10:56,319 Speaker 2: You've been You've been screwing the pooch within since twenty 196 00:10:56,320 --> 00:10:59,000 Speaker 2: twenty one. What's one more year, right? I mean, why 197 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:00,000 Speaker 2: wouldn't you get really well? 198 00:11:01,600 --> 00:11:03,400 Speaker 4: Well, I think Malik Willis would be good, but I 199 00:11:03,400 --> 00:11:06,120 Speaker 4: think Mike McCarthy is gonna be good enough that, like 200 00:11:06,160 --> 00:11:08,600 Speaker 4: you said, he's a quarterback whisperer. Let's get what we 201 00:11:08,720 --> 00:11:10,840 Speaker 4: need in place for a good quarterback. 202 00:11:10,880 --> 00:11:14,880 Speaker 2: Hoping Malik Willis is a free agent, you're not using 203 00:11:14,920 --> 00:11:16,200 Speaker 2: a draft pick on him. 204 00:11:16,480 --> 00:11:19,120 Speaker 1: He wouldn't be that expensive quarterback, sews. 205 00:11:20,600 --> 00:11:22,360 Speaker 4: I didn't say that we were gonna use a draft 206 00:11:22,360 --> 00:11:24,439 Speaker 4: pick on him. I said I'd rather get a draft 207 00:11:24,440 --> 00:11:26,520 Speaker 4: pick next year at quarterback rather. 208 00:11:26,600 --> 00:11:27,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, you're totally missing. 209 00:11:27,920 --> 00:11:31,480 Speaker 2: You're totally missing my point, which isn't surprised. No, No, 210 00:11:31,600 --> 00:11:32,920 Speaker 2: you're totally missing my point. 211 00:11:32,960 --> 00:11:33,480 Speaker 1: No you're not. 212 00:11:33,640 --> 00:11:35,959 Speaker 2: Let me explain my point and then you can react, 213 00:11:35,960 --> 00:11:38,080 Speaker 2: because I bet a light bulb will go on above 214 00:11:38,120 --> 00:11:41,160 Speaker 2: your head like in a cartoon. I'm not saying get 215 00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:44,000 Speaker 2: Milik Willis because you know he'll be the guy. I'm saying, 216 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:46,640 Speaker 2: get Milik Willis and then a draft pick, and then 217 00:11:46,679 --> 00:11:49,079 Speaker 2: between the two McCarthy should figure it out and it 218 00:11:49,080 --> 00:11:51,920 Speaker 2: wouldn't be all that expensive. You're hedging your bet. 219 00:11:53,400 --> 00:11:56,120 Speaker 4: Yeah, I honestly, I just don't agree. I'm sorry. I 220 00:11:56,160 --> 00:11:57,719 Speaker 4: just feel like, okay, what would you do then? 221 00:11:58,240 --> 00:12:00,600 Speaker 1: Well, okay, I told you. 222 00:12:00,640 --> 00:12:04,559 Speaker 2: Why so you you're confident, You're you're confident in the 223 00:12:04,640 --> 00:12:08,040 Speaker 2: team with a terrible draft history, not at least taking 224 00:12:08,120 --> 00:12:11,400 Speaker 2: Kenny Pickett in the first mfing round. You're confident that 225 00:12:11,440 --> 00:12:15,000 Speaker 2: they can definitely hit on the quarterback they draft next, 226 00:12:15,440 --> 00:12:17,360 Speaker 2: and there's no need to get a plan B. 227 00:12:18,720 --> 00:12:20,120 Speaker 1: I'm confident Mike McCarthy. 228 00:12:20,600 --> 00:12:21,760 Speaker 4: We don't have Tomlin anymore. 229 00:12:21,800 --> 00:12:24,520 Speaker 3: I think Mike McCarthy can take a quarterback. 230 00:12:24,960 --> 00:12:27,960 Speaker 1: I think you're again, why not? Why not heads your 231 00:12:27,960 --> 00:12:29,479 Speaker 1: bet because it wouldn't be expensive? 232 00:12:31,720 --> 00:12:32,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, I heard you. 233 00:12:32,960 --> 00:12:35,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, you're just too stupid, aboye, you're too stupid. Yeah. 234 00:12:35,960 --> 00:12:37,360 Speaker 1: McCarthy he's a freaking genius. 235 00:12:37,360 --> 00:12:39,240 Speaker 2: That's why he won all those super Bowls with Rogers 236 00:12:39,280 --> 00:12:40,840 Speaker 2: and farv Oh wait, he won only one. 237 00:12:41,160 --> 00:12:43,200 Speaker 1: That's why he got to a super Bowl with dak 238 00:12:43,240 --> 00:12:43,760 Speaker 1: in Dallas. 239 00:12:43,800 --> 00:12:47,440 Speaker 2: Oh wait, he didn't. Because he knows everything. He knows enough, 240 00:12:47,800 --> 00:12:51,800 Speaker 2: he knows quarterbacks. Heads your bets? God, do you people 241 00:12:51,800 --> 00:12:55,400 Speaker 2: think Mike McCarthy's that great of a hire up next, 242 00:12:55,440 --> 00:12:58,440 Speaker 2: Pierre Maguire talking hockey one oh five to nine. Find 243 00:12:58,440 --> 00:13:01,480 Speaker 2: yourself needing a little post holiday, Josh, did you pay 244 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:02,080 Speaker 2: the gas bill? 245 00:13:02,559 --> 00:13:05,960 Speaker 1: The X as your shot at X ray? Now I'm 246 00:13:05,960 --> 00:13:07,559 Speaker 1: gonna cut you off where you make a jump with 247 00:13:07,640 --> 00:13:09,160 Speaker 1: the X at one oh five nine. 248 00:13:11,080 --> 00:13:13,679 Speaker 2: Men's Olympic hockey about to start tomorrow, joining us now 249 00:13:13,679 --> 00:13:16,559 Speaker 2: to discuss. He's done everything you can in the greatest 250 00:13:16,559 --> 00:13:19,920 Speaker 2: game on earth. He is Pierre Maguire. Pierre, Like I said, 251 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:23,120 Speaker 2: men's hockey starts tomorrow at Milan, and I've got no 252 00:13:23,320 --> 00:13:26,520 Speaker 2: real good feeling. Who has the best goaltending? What's your call? 253 00:13:28,200 --> 00:13:31,080 Speaker 3: Oh, I don't think anybody really knows the goaltending around 254 00:13:31,120 --> 00:13:34,000 Speaker 3: the world. I mean, without the Russians. It's really interesting 255 00:13:34,080 --> 00:13:36,320 Speaker 3: because usually the best right now anyways, some of the 256 00:13:36,320 --> 00:13:39,280 Speaker 3: best goaltending in the league are Russian born players, and 257 00:13:39,320 --> 00:13:41,840 Speaker 3: they're not there. I don't think you can really predict 258 00:13:41,880 --> 00:13:43,920 Speaker 3: what the goaltending is going to be for either country. 259 00:13:44,120 --> 00:13:46,080 Speaker 3: But if you were to ask me which country has 260 00:13:46,120 --> 00:13:49,440 Speaker 3: the deepest array of goaltending, I would tell you that 261 00:13:49,600 --> 00:13:52,800 Speaker 3: the Americans do with Connor, but Hellibuck with Jay Cotton, 262 00:13:52,880 --> 00:13:56,240 Speaker 3: Jur and with Jeremy Swayman, they're the deepest in terms 263 00:13:56,240 --> 00:13:59,160 Speaker 3: of three elites, but I don't know who has the 264 00:13:59,160 --> 00:13:59,920 Speaker 3: best right now. 265 00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:02,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with you in terms of name value 266 00:14:02,960 --> 00:14:05,719 Speaker 2: certainly and what they've done in the past. But of Hellabuck, 267 00:14:06,320 --> 00:14:09,679 Speaker 2: Unger and Swaymen, none of them are having a particularly 268 00:14:09,720 --> 00:14:10,920 Speaker 2: great season, are they. 269 00:14:12,080 --> 00:14:13,880 Speaker 3: No, they aren't. And that's part of the problem in 270 00:14:13,880 --> 00:14:16,199 Speaker 3: this Olympic tournament for all the countries. When you look 271 00:14:16,240 --> 00:14:18,360 Speaker 3: at it, you might be able to say, you know, 272 00:14:18,440 --> 00:14:20,720 Speaker 3: this guy's great in this situation or that guy's great 273 00:14:20,720 --> 00:14:23,280 Speaker 3: in that situation, but you really haven't seen any of 274 00:14:23,320 --> 00:14:26,440 Speaker 3: the guys assert themselves this year. For whatever reason, It's 275 00:14:26,480 --> 00:14:29,560 Speaker 3: been very different and it's going to be interesting. I 276 00:14:29,560 --> 00:14:32,040 Speaker 3: think for all the teams involved, I would say the 277 00:14:32,080 --> 00:14:35,760 Speaker 3: Americans on paper have the most balanced, the deepest team. 278 00:14:36,120 --> 00:14:39,360 Speaker 3: They're thrust through the middle. When you go Jack Eigel, 279 00:14:39,520 --> 00:14:42,520 Speaker 3: when you go Austin Matthews, and you go TATEE. Thompson, 280 00:14:42,600 --> 00:14:46,240 Speaker 3: then Dylan Mark in one, two, three, four, that's pretty deep. 281 00:14:46,360 --> 00:14:47,240 Speaker 3: That's pretty deep. 282 00:14:47,280 --> 00:14:47,480 Speaker 2: Now. 283 00:14:47,560 --> 00:14:50,320 Speaker 3: The Canadians are real good too, but I don't know 284 00:14:50,320 --> 00:14:52,080 Speaker 3: if there is deep as the Americans when it comes 285 00:14:52,080 --> 00:14:55,280 Speaker 3: to manufacturing pure offense off the rush. 286 00:14:54,840 --> 00:14:56,960 Speaker 2: Has been into the lock to stay number one in 287 00:14:57,000 --> 00:14:58,720 Speaker 2: goal for Canada the whole tournament. 288 00:14:58,840 --> 00:14:59,800 Speaker 1: Who'd be up next? 289 00:15:00,840 --> 00:15:03,120 Speaker 3: I think Darcy Kemper would be up next to the 290 00:15:03,160 --> 00:15:05,920 Speaker 3: Stanley Cup winner. He's had a relatively good year in 291 00:15:06,040 --> 00:15:08,640 Speaker 3: LA with a team that's been a little bit troubled 292 00:15:08,680 --> 00:15:12,800 Speaker 3: because they haven't played great and with consistency, especially on 293 00:15:12,880 --> 00:15:14,800 Speaker 3: home ice. They've been much better on the road than 294 00:15:14,840 --> 00:15:16,880 Speaker 3: they have been on home ice. So I would say 295 00:15:16,920 --> 00:15:19,040 Speaker 3: probably Darcy Kemper would be the next man up, and 296 00:15:19,080 --> 00:15:22,720 Speaker 3: then maybe maybe Logan Tomshaw would be three, but we'll see. 297 00:15:22,760 --> 00:15:25,520 Speaker 3: I mean again, I would say right now Dinnington's probably 298 00:15:25,520 --> 00:15:27,640 Speaker 3: going to get the ball to start the tournament for Canada. 299 00:15:27,880 --> 00:15:29,600 Speaker 2: You make a real good point about Kemper and how 300 00:15:29,640 --> 00:15:31,760 Speaker 2: he's played with LA, because I've seen the Kings play 301 00:15:31,800 --> 00:15:35,560 Speaker 2: a lot on late night tvper and Kemper bails them out. 302 00:15:36,160 --> 00:15:38,800 Speaker 2: I like a goalie in a competition like this who's 303 00:15:38,880 --> 00:15:41,320 Speaker 2: used to taking a team that's that's being not played 304 00:15:41,360 --> 00:15:43,080 Speaker 2: and gets them through tight spots. 305 00:15:44,240 --> 00:15:47,160 Speaker 3: So I've witnessed this before as a broadcaster in the Olympics. 306 00:15:47,160 --> 00:15:49,480 Speaker 3: This is my eighth Olympics, and I can tell you 307 00:15:49,520 --> 00:15:52,560 Speaker 3: know too, that was my first one. And what happened 308 00:15:52,640 --> 00:15:55,720 Speaker 3: was Canada changed their goaltender. They went from Curtis Joseph 309 00:15:55,720 --> 00:15:57,720 Speaker 3: who was having a tough time to start the tournament, 310 00:15:58,000 --> 00:16:01,880 Speaker 3: to Marty Brodert, and Marty Burdert exactly what Mark just said. 311 00:16:02,520 --> 00:16:05,840 Speaker 3: Keith saved at key times and big moments of big games. 312 00:16:05,840 --> 00:16:08,160 Speaker 3: You can ask Mary Lemun he was on that team. 313 00:16:08,560 --> 00:16:10,720 Speaker 3: Then you go to you know, two thousand and six, 314 00:16:10,800 --> 00:16:12,960 Speaker 3: the Swedes beat the Finns in the gold medal game. 315 00:16:13,320 --> 00:16:16,840 Speaker 3: Henrik Lundquist produced unbelievably for the Swedes. Then you go 316 00:16:16,880 --> 00:16:20,160 Speaker 3: to twenty ten, broder gets pulled out for Canada. It's 317 00:16:20,200 --> 00:16:23,560 Speaker 3: the goal of Ssidney crossby golden goal against USA. But 318 00:16:23,720 --> 00:16:26,120 Speaker 3: Roberto Lawong was the goalie of record in the gold 319 00:16:26,160 --> 00:16:28,760 Speaker 3: medal game because he comes up with big shaves at 320 00:16:28,800 --> 00:16:31,440 Speaker 3: key times for team Canada. Then you go to twenty 321 00:16:31,480 --> 00:16:34,960 Speaker 3: fourteen and Canada just runs the roost through everybody and 322 00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:37,560 Speaker 3: it's carry Price that delivers. So your point is well 323 00:16:37,600 --> 00:16:39,440 Speaker 3: taken and I think it's spot on. 324 00:16:39,600 --> 00:16:39,840 Speaker 1: Mark. 325 00:16:40,880 --> 00:16:43,640 Speaker 2: Sweden got a real good team. I love their roster. 326 00:16:44,000 --> 00:16:46,400 Speaker 2: You trust Gustafson and gold. Can he get it done? 327 00:16:47,920 --> 00:16:50,480 Speaker 3: Dusk Ken. I've known Philip, I worked with him in Ottawa. 328 00:16:50,520 --> 00:16:52,560 Speaker 3: I know he's a Pittsburgh draft pick and he's a 329 00:16:52,560 --> 00:16:55,840 Speaker 3: tremendous person. I just don't know about the Swedes. And 330 00:16:55,840 --> 00:16:59,600 Speaker 3: here's why Jonis brodein losing Ham Yeah before the turn, 331 00:17:00,200 --> 00:17:04,040 Speaker 3: huge loss, and then Leo Carlson is a massive loss 332 00:17:04,040 --> 00:17:06,760 Speaker 3: for them. They're gonna be a bit offensively challenge to 333 00:17:06,840 --> 00:17:10,200 Speaker 3: begin with down the middle. Losing Leo Carlson was a 334 00:17:10,240 --> 00:17:12,679 Speaker 3: tremendous loss for the Suet. I just don't know if 335 00:17:12,680 --> 00:17:13,560 Speaker 3: they can overcome that. 336 00:17:14,119 --> 00:17:16,960 Speaker 2: Well, every team ride one goaltender because it's a short 337 00:17:17,000 --> 00:17:19,320 Speaker 2: pint of with the games really packed together. 338 00:17:19,359 --> 00:17:23,400 Speaker 3: Pierre, the biggest thing is in the first three games, 339 00:17:24,040 --> 00:17:27,440 Speaker 3: it really doesn't matter. You're just playing for position. Everybody's 340 00:17:27,480 --> 00:17:30,720 Speaker 3: gonna make the playdown. So to me, the biggest thing 341 00:17:30,840 --> 00:17:33,919 Speaker 3: is make sure that everybody's healthy. You know the style 342 00:17:33,960 --> 00:17:36,120 Speaker 3: of play you want to play, You understand who your 343 00:17:36,440 --> 00:17:39,959 Speaker 3: tandems are. Goalie is gonna be who your lines are 344 00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:43,120 Speaker 3: gonna be. But I don't think any one goalie's gonna 345 00:17:43,160 --> 00:17:46,520 Speaker 3: run the whole tournament. I think that after the second game, 346 00:17:46,600 --> 00:17:49,840 Speaker 3: maybe the third game of the tournament. You'll see most 347 00:17:49,880 --> 00:17:52,080 Speaker 3: of the countries picked one or two, get one guy, 348 00:17:52,119 --> 00:17:53,360 Speaker 3: probably just gonna be their guy. 349 00:17:53,960 --> 00:17:56,239 Speaker 2: Pierre, here's a question that we've been kicking around on 350 00:17:56,280 --> 00:17:59,359 Speaker 2: the show. Was Austin Matthews an odd choice as US 351 00:17:59,400 --> 00:18:02,480 Speaker 2: captain knocking the guy? But he's not won anything and 352 00:18:02,520 --> 00:18:04,240 Speaker 2: he had the game on his stick in the Four 353 00:18:04,320 --> 00:18:05,240 Speaker 2: Nations Cup final. 354 00:18:07,160 --> 00:18:09,520 Speaker 3: So here's what I've been saying about that. And it's 355 00:18:09,520 --> 00:18:11,840 Speaker 3: been getting a lot of playing Canada, and I' obviously 356 00:18:11,840 --> 00:18:13,880 Speaker 3: been doing a lot of shows in Canada the United 357 00:18:13,880 --> 00:18:17,080 Speaker 3: States because of the Olympics. The thing about it is 358 00:18:17,359 --> 00:18:20,720 Speaker 3: the captain in a situation like this, it's more of 359 00:18:20,760 --> 00:18:24,119 Speaker 3: a photo op for the team picture. Every one of 360 00:18:24,160 --> 00:18:27,000 Speaker 3: these PreK players that's playing in this they've been the 361 00:18:27,040 --> 00:18:29,879 Speaker 3: captain of the off and the captain of their respective teams. 362 00:18:30,240 --> 00:18:32,040 Speaker 3: They know how good they have to be. They're not 363 00:18:32,200 --> 00:18:34,800 Speaker 3: listening to the whether the captain's saying, oh, we got 364 00:18:34,840 --> 00:18:36,480 Speaker 3: to do this and we got to do that on 365 00:18:36,480 --> 00:18:39,520 Speaker 3: our off days. Guys have their families there, Guys go 366 00:18:39,600 --> 00:18:41,920 Speaker 3: out and they see other events, you know, guys have 367 00:18:42,040 --> 00:18:44,440 Speaker 3: their children there, and it's a monumental moment they're not 368 00:18:44,560 --> 00:18:47,920 Speaker 3: really listening to what the captain says. In terms of leadership. 369 00:18:47,960 --> 00:18:51,000 Speaker 3: Everybody's a captain in that room, so I'm not putting 370 00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:52,960 Speaker 3: a lot of stock in that. I'm happy for us, 371 00:18:53,000 --> 00:18:54,840 Speaker 3: and then he gets the photo out, but the truth 372 00:18:54,880 --> 00:18:56,920 Speaker 3: of the matter is they're all captains when it comes 373 00:18:56,920 --> 00:18:57,800 Speaker 3: to this kind of event. 374 00:18:57,960 --> 00:19:00,320 Speaker 2: No, that's very well put. We're talking to Pierre Maire. 375 00:19:00,359 --> 00:19:04,320 Speaker 2: Pierre's broadcast by always say flagging and traffic control. Pierre 376 00:19:04,400 --> 00:19:08,240 Speaker 2: Sid's on the line with Mitchell Marner and Mark Stone 377 00:19:08,320 --> 00:19:11,080 Speaker 2: for Canada. That strikes me as a pretty good fit. 378 00:19:11,160 --> 00:19:11,719 Speaker 2: How about you. 379 00:19:14,160 --> 00:19:17,439 Speaker 3: I would love to play with those three guys, especially 380 00:19:17,480 --> 00:19:20,359 Speaker 3: if you're the defenseman jumping into making it on man rush. 381 00:19:20,600 --> 00:19:23,920 Speaker 3: You're gonna get a ton of bucks. That's a tremendous line. 382 00:19:23,960 --> 00:19:26,080 Speaker 3: I don't know if it'll hold serve the whole tournament, 383 00:19:26,400 --> 00:19:29,240 Speaker 3: but to start, that's a spectacular line. You know, Mitchell's 384 00:19:29,240 --> 00:19:32,080 Speaker 3: got great peripheral vision, your right hand shot, he can 385 00:19:32,119 --> 00:19:35,159 Speaker 3: make plays. Mark Stone is gigantic. He can capitalize on 386 00:19:35,280 --> 00:19:38,280 Speaker 3: second and third chance opportunity. He's got a lethal shot, 387 00:19:38,320 --> 00:19:41,560 Speaker 3: and Sid that backhand skill that he has in deception 388 00:19:41,680 --> 00:19:43,520 Speaker 3: that he has the power that he has off the 389 00:19:43,560 --> 00:19:46,439 Speaker 3: cycle down low. That allows a player like marn Or 390 00:19:46,440 --> 00:19:49,240 Speaker 3: more room to play, and it really gets Stone opportunities 391 00:19:49,520 --> 00:19:52,000 Speaker 3: right on the gold mouth. So that line, to me 392 00:19:52,280 --> 00:19:57,520 Speaker 3: just reeks of spectacular hockey. Really does market seems unbelievable 393 00:19:57,520 --> 00:19:59,720 Speaker 3: to say they're playing together, but I think that line's 394 00:19:59,720 --> 00:20:00,640 Speaker 3: gonna be amazing. 395 00:20:00,720 --> 00:20:01,200 Speaker 1: I agree. 396 00:20:01,200 --> 00:20:04,880 Speaker 2: And one thing to tack onto that description, Sid loves 397 00:20:04,920 --> 00:20:06,960 Speaker 2: to play that short, given go game with a lot 398 00:20:06,960 --> 00:20:10,159 Speaker 2: of puck support. Don Low. Marner is ideal for that. 399 00:20:10,200 --> 00:20:13,280 Speaker 2: He's very against a lesk in that regard, and. 400 00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:15,760 Speaker 3: That's why I brought up his peripheral vision. You're spot on. 401 00:20:16,040 --> 00:20:18,160 Speaker 3: So that's a big part of Mitchell's game and that's 402 00:20:18,160 --> 00:20:20,879 Speaker 3: why he thrived with Austin Matthews for all those years 403 00:20:20,880 --> 00:20:24,200 Speaker 3: in Toronto. You know the truth is that I still 404 00:20:24,200 --> 00:20:27,720 Speaker 3: think the Toronto Mapley's miscalculated when they didn't re sign 405 00:20:27,760 --> 00:20:29,920 Speaker 3: Mitchell Marner. They could have got him done, they chose 406 00:20:29,960 --> 00:20:32,800 Speaker 3: not to, and now you see where they are rating 407 00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:34,960 Speaker 3: up the playoffs start in the NHL. They wouldn't be 408 00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:37,640 Speaker 3: in last year they won the Atlantic Division. There's only 409 00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:40,680 Speaker 3: really one player missing. It's Mitchell Minor from their team. 410 00:20:40,760 --> 00:20:42,960 Speaker 3: So yeah, I agree with you one hundred percent on that. 411 00:20:43,560 --> 00:20:45,680 Speaker 2: What's the best game of the first six? I really 412 00:20:45,760 --> 00:20:47,080 Speaker 2: like Canada versus. 413 00:20:46,800 --> 00:20:50,480 Speaker 3: Check, Canada versus chech He is probably going to be 414 00:20:50,600 --> 00:20:54,800 Speaker 3: the best game the you know, the one loss that 415 00:20:54,880 --> 00:20:57,639 Speaker 3: we talked about. The Swedes not having Leo Carlson and 416 00:20:57,720 --> 00:21:00,720 Speaker 3: not having Juanis brodein the checks aren't going to have 417 00:21:00,760 --> 00:21:03,280 Speaker 3: a couple guys too, and I think that's one of them, 418 00:21:03,359 --> 00:21:06,520 Speaker 3: is Pavelzaka. That's going to be a problem. I think 419 00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:08,720 Speaker 3: they don't have a lot of pure thrust in the middle. 420 00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:10,760 Speaker 3: They're playing with a lot of players that have had 421 00:21:10,760 --> 00:21:14,040 Speaker 3: some NHL experience, most of them are playing for European 422 00:21:14,080 --> 00:21:16,800 Speaker 3: club teams. So I think the game will be good. 423 00:21:17,119 --> 00:21:19,000 Speaker 3: I just don't know if it'll be as good as 424 00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:21,000 Speaker 3: it could have been if everybody would have been healthy. 425 00:21:21,240 --> 00:21:21,440 Speaker 1: Pair. 426 00:21:21,520 --> 00:21:23,520 Speaker 2: You keep going back to the center position, and I 427 00:21:23,560 --> 00:21:25,439 Speaker 2: think you couldn't be more correct. I think at a 428 00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:28,520 Speaker 2: short tournament of All Stars, the center position is the 429 00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:31,119 Speaker 2: glue that holds every team in every line together, even 430 00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:32,840 Speaker 2: more so than in the NHL. 431 00:21:33,920 --> 00:21:36,640 Speaker 3: I just remember watching OH two is my first Olympics 432 00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:38,560 Speaker 3: where I actually worked, and I was down in the 433 00:21:38,640 --> 00:21:41,320 Speaker 3: ditch and I was really digging, you know, and what 434 00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:43,960 Speaker 3: stood out to me, Canner was the best team there. 435 00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:46,480 Speaker 3: You know, whether you have Mary Lemieux, whether you have 436 00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:49,760 Speaker 3: Joe Sakic, whether you have Steve Eisman, those were three 437 00:21:49,800 --> 00:21:53,840 Speaker 3: of their centerman mark. All three guys are legendary players 438 00:21:53,880 --> 00:21:56,200 Speaker 3: in the sport. They're all the Hockey Hall of Fame. 439 00:21:56,240 --> 00:21:58,280 Speaker 3: They're all first ballot guys in the Hall of Fame. 440 00:21:58,720 --> 00:22:02,520 Speaker 3: That needs such a difference. Whomever Canada played, nobody could 441 00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:05,399 Speaker 3: match up to that Canadian depth. And I think that's 442 00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:07,840 Speaker 3: a big and that's where I started getting my philosophy 443 00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:11,320 Speaker 3: on short tournaments. Like you just said, thrust, I call 444 00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:13,560 Speaker 3: thrust through the middle. If you have thrust through the middle, 445 00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:16,960 Speaker 3: you had a chance to dominate. And I think that's 446 00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:19,840 Speaker 3: where the Americans and the Canadians and this tournament anyways, 447 00:22:20,119 --> 00:22:22,160 Speaker 3: are both better than all the other countries. 448 00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:24,399 Speaker 2: You know what other game intrigues me pire is the 449 00:22:24,520 --> 00:22:28,360 Speaker 2: US against Latvia. Latvia's got decent goaltending and they can 450 00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:30,560 Speaker 2: pack it in on defense. But you got this Ville 451 00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:33,800 Speaker 2: Mannus of Latvia hit Macavoy in the head when Florida 452 00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:37,840 Speaker 2: played Boston last week, will there be any carryover from 453 00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:39,800 Speaker 2: that hit to this game? Because the US wants to 454 00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:41,200 Speaker 2: play bullyball, we know that. 455 00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:44,479 Speaker 3: Well. The problem you have to and I'm sure the 456 00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:48,800 Speaker 3: coaching stats bringing it up. International rules are not NHL rules, right, 457 00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:51,359 Speaker 3: you fight, you know, you're kicked out of the game, 458 00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:55,159 Speaker 3: blown to the head. It's a problem. So there's a 459 00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:57,760 Speaker 3: lot there. You gotta be really careful. I would say 460 00:22:57,760 --> 00:23:00,960 Speaker 3: if I were a team USA, say it for you know, 461 00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:05,520 Speaker 3: when you play Florida versus whomever, you don't really need 462 00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:07,719 Speaker 3: to do that in this tournament. I think the biggest 463 00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:09,359 Speaker 3: thing is just run up the score if you get 464 00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:12,480 Speaker 3: a chance to do that. So I don't think they'll 465 00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:14,439 Speaker 3: do that, but I do think the Americans will be 466 00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:17,600 Speaker 3: extremely physical. I think they have to play to their identity, 467 00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:19,360 Speaker 3: and I think they're going to be a very difficult 468 00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:21,600 Speaker 3: out for anybody to play with them. 469 00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:25,040 Speaker 1: Pierre, who's your gold, silver bronze? Won two three, and 470 00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:26,040 Speaker 1: who's your dark horse? 471 00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:31,520 Speaker 3: My goal is the USA, my silver's team Canada, and 472 00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:35,639 Speaker 3: my dark horse will be sweet And I would change 473 00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:38,639 Speaker 3: it a little bit if Sweden was healthy, but they're not, 474 00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:40,720 Speaker 3: so that's why I got them in the bronze. 475 00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:43,000 Speaker 1: You know who's kind of a sleeper and and I 476 00:23:43,040 --> 00:23:45,520 Speaker 1: don't think they'll meddle, but I think they'll cuss him. 477 00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:52,040 Speaker 1: Someone is Switzerland. They finish, They finished second in the 478 00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:53,320 Speaker 1: last two World Championships. 479 00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:55,600 Speaker 2: They got Yo Si and you read the quotes from 480 00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:58,760 Speaker 2: those guys like Roman Yo see that those two silvers. 481 00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:01,320 Speaker 2: I know it's the be list Olympics, Pierre to be blunt, 482 00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:05,080 Speaker 2: but it's given them a lot of confidence. It has. 483 00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:07,520 Speaker 3: And I was there when the Swiss beat Canada in 484 00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:09,800 Speaker 3: twenty ten. I was there when the Swiss beat Canada 485 00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:14,440 Speaker 3: in two thousand and six, so it's happened before. They 486 00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:17,600 Speaker 3: for whatever reason, they love to play against Canada and 487 00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:20,440 Speaker 3: they do very well against them. So the Swiss aren't 488 00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:22,920 Speaker 3: an easy out. I think if there's a dark horse, 489 00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:25,440 Speaker 3: so to speak, would be Finland as far as how 490 00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:29,120 Speaker 3: I see it, just because they've got way underappreciated offense. 491 00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:31,320 Speaker 3: But again we'll see how that plays out well. 492 00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:34,160 Speaker 1: If Finland had Barkoff, that'd be a gold medal threat. 493 00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:38,040 Speaker 3: They would definitely be a like a top three threat, 494 00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:40,000 Speaker 3: There's no question about it. And I can tell you 495 00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:42,359 Speaker 3: one thing from all the international events I've done, whether 496 00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:47,640 Speaker 3: it be World Junior Olympics, World Championships. Nobody plays bron's 497 00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:50,480 Speaker 3: medal games better than the Finns. And I'm telling you 498 00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:52,959 Speaker 3: a lot of people mail those games in The Fins 499 00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:56,000 Speaker 3: do not. They play hard as all get out, marked 500 00:24:56,600 --> 00:24:57,080 Speaker 3: metal games. 501 00:24:57,080 --> 00:24:59,560 Speaker 2: That's a really good point because the US and Canada 502 00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:02,240 Speaker 2: they don't. I think the bronze metal means anything. They're avoided. 503 00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:04,879 Speaker 2: They're they're annoyed to have to play because they figured 504 00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:06,320 Speaker 2: they already lost the tournament. 505 00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:09,959 Speaker 3: That's correct. Up here is correct. 506 00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:13,000 Speaker 2: I gotta get a quick feedback on you on women's hockey. 507 00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:15,720 Speaker 2: The US is blowing out Canada right now, four and nothing. 508 00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:18,160 Speaker 2: I gotta tell you, this game is a great game. 509 00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:20,080 Speaker 2: It's two teams that can move the puck and can 510 00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:23,280 Speaker 2: move period. I just wish there were more teams that 511 00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:24,600 Speaker 2: could play at their level. 512 00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:27,439 Speaker 1: They're they're really two of a kind. Maybe Sweden on 513 00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:28,040 Speaker 1: the fringe. 514 00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:31,320 Speaker 3: This is the best point of all and I know 515 00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:34,640 Speaker 3: it's something that really concerns the Double IHF, that concerns 516 00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:37,679 Speaker 3: the IOC. I went over to Europe to speak to 517 00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:41,960 Speaker 3: a big conference about the growth of women's hockey. I 518 00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:44,359 Speaker 3: was there with George mcpee, the generalman or the president 519 00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:47,400 Speaker 3: of Hockey Operations of Vegas. We spent four days there 520 00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:50,120 Speaker 3: talking trying to cultivate more interest in the women's game. 521 00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:53,200 Speaker 3: CHECKI is really making big progress. I think the fact 522 00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:55,800 Speaker 3: there's a pro league now called the PWHL and North 523 00:25:55,840 --> 00:25:58,320 Speaker 3: America is gonna help. There'll be more of a growth 524 00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:01,720 Speaker 3: there and I think eventually we're going to see better balance. 525 00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:03,880 Speaker 3: But right now it's two tea. I wish they played 526 00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:06,040 Speaker 3: three out of five for the gold medal game. I 527 00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:08,080 Speaker 3: think it would be unbelievable. The fans would love it. 528 00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:11,520 Speaker 3: The Americans are the best team and they should win 529 00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:15,720 Speaker 3: this tournament. And that's not being disparaging to Team Canada. 530 00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:18,040 Speaker 3: They played a four game series this year Canada in 531 00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:20,720 Speaker 3: the US. It was called the Rivalry Series, and the 532 00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:24,480 Speaker 3: American women fround the Canadian women. They won all four 533 00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:27,280 Speaker 3: games and the scores were not very friendly. Mark, So 534 00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:29,960 Speaker 3: I'm not surprised by this result. I'm, you know, doing 535 00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:32,520 Speaker 3: a lot of work for NBC and right now all 536 00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:34,520 Speaker 3: my hits have been about the women's team and just 537 00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:36,679 Speaker 3: how great they are. And if you watch this women's 538 00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:39,800 Speaker 3: team play, you can see the skill, the coaching the speed, 539 00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:42,680 Speaker 3: the finesse, and the awareness. Offensively, they're one of the 540 00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:45,040 Speaker 3: few women's teams I've ever seen that can score from 541 00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:48,680 Speaker 3: long range with regularity, and that is an amazing thing 542 00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:49,640 Speaker 3: in women's hockey. 543 00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:50,240 Speaker 1: No question. 544 00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:52,720 Speaker 2: The US looks really good so far in this game. 545 00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:55,760 Speaker 2: And I said, it shows how great minds think. Alike Peer, 546 00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:57,920 Speaker 2: I said at the top of the show yesterday's show, 547 00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:00,119 Speaker 2: Actually I'd like to see the US and Canada to 548 00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:02,600 Speaker 2: play best to five and everybody else plays for the bronze. 549 00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:05,720 Speaker 2: And that might be respectful to the other nations, but 550 00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:07,000 Speaker 2: it's realistic, right. 551 00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:10,000 Speaker 3: Oh, it's the way it should be. I mean again, 552 00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:13,280 Speaker 3: I'm not being disrespectful. Like I said, I went over 553 00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:15,560 Speaker 3: to Europe to go speak to all these different club 554 00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:17,840 Speaker 3: teams because I really want to try to help throw 555 00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:19,880 Speaker 3: the game on the women's side. I used to run 556 00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:22,160 Speaker 3: one of the largest hockey schools in North America back 557 00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:26,000 Speaker 3: in not from nineteen eighty five to eighty nine in Wallsey, Massachusetts, 558 00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:27,800 Speaker 3: and a lot of the ladies that played in ninety 559 00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:30,560 Speaker 3: eight they were at that hockey camp. So I care 560 00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:32,320 Speaker 3: about the growth for women. But I would tell you 561 00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:34,520 Speaker 3: this right now. The rest of the world's not giving 562 00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:36,600 Speaker 3: as much of a care as you and I are, 563 00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:39,320 Speaker 3: or maybe Team CAN or a Team USA, so they 564 00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:41,119 Speaker 3: got to get the rest of the world to catch up. 565 00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:43,919 Speaker 2: Do you think the women should play full context? Are 566 00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:44,840 Speaker 2: they a body checking? 567 00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:49,440 Speaker 3: No, Here's how I would look at it. And I've 568 00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:51,720 Speaker 3: been saying this for a long time. In NASCAR, they're 569 00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:54,479 Speaker 3: a saying if you're not rubbing, you're not racing. I 570 00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:57,040 Speaker 3: think you should be. I think you should be able 571 00:27:57,040 --> 00:27:59,000 Speaker 3: to rub out. I don't think you should be able 572 00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:02,240 Speaker 3: to demolish. And right now I'm seeing too much demolishing, 573 00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:03,120 Speaker 3: and I don't like it. 574 00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:06,760 Speaker 1: Pierre is always great stuff. Enjoy the Olympics. 575 00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:08,399 Speaker 2: We'll do it again next week, and boy, it'll be 576 00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:09,879 Speaker 2: really heated up by then, won't it. 577 00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:12,119 Speaker 3: Oh, yes, sir, it will be. 578 00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:12,520 Speaker 1: Mark. 579 00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:14,720 Speaker 3: I can't wait. And every week that goes by one 580 00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:17,119 Speaker 3: more week closer to the Lemieux Fantasy Camp, and I 581 00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:20,480 Speaker 3: can't wait to spend time with my buddy Mark, Mark Madden. 582 00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:21,240 Speaker 3: Thanks Mart, Right. 583 00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:22,800 Speaker 1: Back at you, Pierre. We'll talk again next week. 584 00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:25,320 Speaker 2: That's Pierre Maguire, brought to list by Always Say Flagging 585 00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:26,399 Speaker 2: and Traffic Control. 586 00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:27,719 Speaker 1: I'm Mark Madden,