1 00:00:00,600 --> 00:00:04,920 Speaker 1: It's night Side with Dan Ray. I'm telling you Boston's 2 00:00:04,960 --> 00:00:05,560 Speaker 1: meek radio. 3 00:00:07,600 --> 00:00:10,640 Speaker 2: Good evening, everybody, and welcome on into a Wednesday night 4 00:00:10,800 --> 00:00:14,680 Speaker 2: edition of Night Side. Dan Cantano is finishing up a 5 00:00:14,800 --> 00:00:15,840 Speaker 2: full week of. 6 00:00:15,760 --> 00:00:16,919 Speaker 3: Producing this program. 7 00:00:17,000 --> 00:00:21,560 Speaker 2: We'll have a different producer Thursday and Friday night, Tomorrow 8 00:00:21,640 --> 00:00:23,319 Speaker 2: night and Friday night. But I want you to know 9 00:00:23,400 --> 00:00:25,479 Speaker 2: that Dan has been really an excellent This is his 10 00:00:25,560 --> 00:00:29,160 Speaker 2: first extended stint. Not only did he do last Thursday, 11 00:00:29,160 --> 00:00:33,960 Speaker 2: Friday and Monday, but he was with me in studio yesterday. 12 00:00:34,040 --> 00:00:36,320 Speaker 2: So Dan, you've done a great job. 13 00:00:36,360 --> 00:00:37,800 Speaker 3: We got one more to get out of the way, 14 00:00:37,800 --> 00:00:38,200 Speaker 3: and you'll. 15 00:00:38,080 --> 00:00:39,840 Speaker 2: Be able to kind of take a big, deep breath 16 00:00:39,880 --> 00:00:43,879 Speaker 2: aft for a couple of days. In the meantime, I 17 00:00:43,920 --> 00:00:46,880 Speaker 2: will remind you that I'm with you every Monday through 18 00:00:46,920 --> 00:00:50,239 Speaker 2: Friday night from eight until midnight. Normally Rob Brooks is here, 19 00:00:50,280 --> 00:00:52,760 Speaker 2: but Rob is on vacation this week, well deserved in 20 00:00:52,840 --> 00:00:56,880 Speaker 2: his situation. And we will talk to four different people 21 00:00:57,080 --> 00:00:59,680 Speaker 2: in this hour. I'll introduce them to you as we 22 00:00:59,720 --> 00:01:04,160 Speaker 2: say Latin seriatum. Starting off with Thomas Ray, a veteran 23 00:01:04,200 --> 00:01:06,800 Speaker 2: of US Intelligence Services, is going to talk about the 24 00:01:06,800 --> 00:01:10,520 Speaker 2: disappearance of the Malaysian air flight three seventy. 25 00:01:10,640 --> 00:01:12,040 Speaker 3: That's twelve years ago. 26 00:01:12,240 --> 00:01:14,440 Speaker 2: We'll get to that in a moment. I'll tell you 27 00:01:14,480 --> 00:01:17,400 Speaker 2: that we're going to be talking with Anthony Amory. He 28 00:01:17,560 --> 00:01:22,479 Speaker 2: is the director of security and chief investigator at the 29 00:01:23,240 --> 00:01:28,640 Speaker 2: Gardener The Gardener Jack Missus the Isabella Gardner Museum, also 30 00:01:28,720 --> 00:01:36,240 Speaker 2: known as mister Missus Jack Gardner's Palace. It's a wonderful location. 31 00:01:36,360 --> 00:01:39,240 Speaker 2: But of course it was thirty six years ago tonight 32 00:01:39,840 --> 00:01:43,800 Speaker 2: that thirteen priceless works of art, probably worth about five 33 00:01:43,840 --> 00:01:48,600 Speaker 2: hundred million dollars today, including three rembrands of emir and 34 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:52,200 Speaker 2: other art treasures, were stolen. We'll talk about that at 35 00:01:52,240 --> 00:01:55,080 Speaker 2: nine o'clock with Anthony Moury, but without any further ado, 36 00:01:55,200 --> 00:01:57,840 Speaker 2: let me get to Thomas Ray. Tom Ray, a veteran 37 00:01:57,920 --> 00:02:00,720 Speaker 2: of US Intelligence services. Last name is We're able to 38 00:02:00,760 --> 00:02:02,760 Speaker 2: spell a little differently are e a you're the more 39 00:02:02,800 --> 00:02:04,680 Speaker 2: traditional spelling of r A y. 40 00:02:05,040 --> 00:02:08,200 Speaker 3: Welcome to night side, sir, Thank you. 41 00:02:08,880 --> 00:02:12,080 Speaker 4: Yeah, I come with the boring at the boring corner 42 00:02:12,360 --> 00:02:13,560 Speaker 4: of our etymology. 43 00:02:14,160 --> 00:02:16,120 Speaker 3: No, I don't think so. Are you in a headset 44 00:02:16,160 --> 00:02:16,800 Speaker 3: of some sort? 45 00:02:18,560 --> 00:02:21,640 Speaker 4: I am, I've got the head of the front. Can 46 00:02:21,680 --> 00:02:21,959 Speaker 4: you hear me. 47 00:02:22,320 --> 00:02:24,639 Speaker 2: Yeah, if, if, if you could take that headset off, 48 00:02:24,639 --> 00:02:26,799 Speaker 2: because there's going to be a delay which is going 49 00:02:26,840 --> 00:02:29,640 Speaker 2: to make make our our conversation a little more awkward. 50 00:02:29,639 --> 00:02:32,920 Speaker 2: Are you able just to get on a microphone bits 51 00:02:32,960 --> 00:02:35,120 Speaker 2: off the headset? If you can't, we'll stick with the headset. 52 00:02:35,160 --> 00:02:41,480 Speaker 2: But it's it's not the best conversation apparatus. 53 00:02:41,520 --> 00:02:42,480 Speaker 4: No stress is just. 54 00:02:43,440 --> 00:02:47,560 Speaker 2: Much better, much better. Your voice sounds better, and also 55 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:53,359 Speaker 2: there's there's no delay. So uh so you have I 56 00:02:53,720 --> 00:02:57,840 Speaker 2: believe written it's a novel. Normally we don't interview novelists, 57 00:02:58,240 --> 00:03:02,680 Speaker 2: but it is really a historical novel based upon the 58 00:03:02,720 --> 00:03:05,800 Speaker 2: disappearance of Malaysian Air three seventy. This was the plane 59 00:03:06,200 --> 00:03:10,600 Speaker 2: with two hundred and thirty nine soul's boards which disappeared 60 00:03:11,000 --> 00:03:14,560 Speaker 2: and has never been found. I remember it very well. 61 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:19,240 Speaker 2: Do you think that the wreck of this plane will 62 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:20,280 Speaker 2: ever be found? 63 00:03:20,600 --> 00:03:27,040 Speaker 4: Tom, Well, it's a good question. So the novel actually. 64 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:28,560 Speaker 5: Is a. 65 00:03:30,320 --> 00:03:34,200 Speaker 4: Fictional walk through some of the questions that those in 66 00:03:34,920 --> 00:03:40,600 Speaker 4: various communities intelligence, security communities asked following three seventy. It 67 00:03:40,640 --> 00:03:43,400 Speaker 4: wasn't the kind of questions that got headlines, but you know, 68 00:03:43,440 --> 00:03:48,040 Speaker 4: they proceed from two main questions both how is it 69 00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:50,880 Speaker 4: possible for an airplane to disappear? And then the second 70 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:54,840 Speaker 4: is you know, why would you want to do that? 71 00:03:54,960 --> 00:03:59,600 Speaker 4: What is you know what malicious actors? What value might 72 00:03:59,600 --> 00:03:59,880 Speaker 4: they get? 73 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:01,640 Speaker 5: And that I. 74 00:04:03,200 --> 00:04:07,640 Speaker 4: Think one of the things that that particular accident or 75 00:04:07,720 --> 00:04:11,320 Speaker 4: incident exposed to us is one the world is very 76 00:04:11,400 --> 00:04:14,000 Speaker 4: very big, you know, with Google Earth makes it feel 77 00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:18,840 Speaker 4: very small, but in fact, aircraft leave radar and they 78 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:24,000 Speaker 4: cross large remote parts of the world only identified by 79 00:04:24,200 --> 00:04:26,760 Speaker 4: a piece of hardware, piece of software and a file 80 00:04:26,880 --> 00:04:32,120 Speaker 4: flight plan. But between two areas of covered radar, you 81 00:04:32,160 --> 00:04:35,560 Speaker 4: know they are out there in the world and there 82 00:04:35,560 --> 00:04:39,400 Speaker 4: are parts places where they can be lost. And again 83 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:42,479 Speaker 4: the question that we ask is in this we have 84 00:04:42,560 --> 00:04:48,240 Speaker 4: a massive infrastructure, global aviation infrastructure. It's one hundred thousand 85 00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:52,640 Speaker 4: planes take off globally a commercial airline. Airliners take off 86 00:04:52,680 --> 00:04:57,560 Speaker 4: every day, and they have to cross between let's say 87 00:04:57,600 --> 00:05:02,120 Speaker 4: developed nations and developing nations. The security needs to be 88 00:05:02,200 --> 00:05:05,039 Speaker 4: maintained to the same standards. All that is very tricky 89 00:05:05,040 --> 00:05:08,920 Speaker 4: and if a malicious actor wanted to exploit that system, 90 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:11,080 Speaker 4: those opportunities are there. 91 00:05:12,120 --> 00:05:16,080 Speaker 2: So so again I don't want to put you on 92 00:05:16,080 --> 00:05:18,920 Speaker 2: the spot here. But it seems to me that there's 93 00:05:18,920 --> 00:05:23,839 Speaker 2: two possible reasons for something like this to happen, Either 94 00:05:23,920 --> 00:05:29,560 Speaker 2: a catastrophic failure of a plane which at some point 95 00:05:29,800 --> 00:05:34,480 Speaker 2: just disappears off radar, or obviously some sort of an 96 00:05:34,520 --> 00:05:37,040 Speaker 2: incident that is that is man man. Is there another 97 00:05:37,440 --> 00:05:41,200 Speaker 2: option that that should be seriously considered. 98 00:05:43,080 --> 00:05:46,760 Speaker 4: I think both should be seriously considered. In both are serious. 99 00:05:46,800 --> 00:05:48,640 Speaker 4: You know, on the one hand, it takes you know, 100 00:05:48,680 --> 00:05:53,000 Speaker 4: from one to one to two thousand individuals contributing to 101 00:05:53,240 --> 00:05:58,440 Speaker 4: an aircraft taking off, taking off safely, and arriving somewhere safely. 102 00:05:58,520 --> 00:06:00,840 Speaker 4: That is a whole lot of opportunity for human error. 103 00:06:01,160 --> 00:06:03,960 Speaker 4: And while the system is generally robust and commendable and 104 00:06:03,960 --> 00:06:09,200 Speaker 4: actually rather extraordinarily well maintained post COVID nine to eleven 105 00:06:09,200 --> 00:06:12,920 Speaker 4: and three seventy shows us that there are there are 106 00:06:12,960 --> 00:06:17,720 Speaker 4: certainly opportunities for human failure that can lead to catastrophe. 107 00:06:17,880 --> 00:06:21,800 Speaker 4: But the other question that people have asked is we 108 00:06:21,880 --> 00:06:26,479 Speaker 4: maintain strict sovereign borders between countries, some better than others, 109 00:06:26,520 --> 00:06:29,680 Speaker 4: some places better than others. But in theory, to move equipment, 110 00:06:29,720 --> 00:06:33,520 Speaker 4: to move people, even to move information is regulated. Aircraft 111 00:06:33,680 --> 00:06:37,480 Speaker 4: are have a unique bypass of that system, and while 112 00:06:37,520 --> 00:06:42,039 Speaker 4: they work within that infrastructure, a large airframe canon theory 113 00:06:42,680 --> 00:06:46,400 Speaker 4: across a border and in turn into a metropolitan area, 114 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:51,640 Speaker 4: you know, for reasons other than those intended for commercial 115 00:06:51,640 --> 00:06:53,520 Speaker 4: air travel, and that's frightening. 116 00:06:54,400 --> 00:07:00,840 Speaker 2: So is there any other realistic potential? Expert I'm sure 117 00:07:00,839 --> 00:07:02,680 Speaker 2: you've studied this a lot more than I have, and 118 00:07:02,720 --> 00:07:04,839 Speaker 2: we'll mention the book. Certainly give people a chance to 119 00:07:04,880 --> 00:07:07,840 Speaker 2: read the book, and it's entirely but other than that 120 00:07:07,960 --> 00:07:14,320 Speaker 2: catastrophic failure model or the malign actor model, I mean, 121 00:07:14,760 --> 00:07:16,960 Speaker 2: they're not going to be captured by UFOs. I'm sure 122 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:19,760 Speaker 2: some people say the UFOs have sweep down and capture them. 123 00:07:19,760 --> 00:07:23,480 Speaker 2: That's not realistic. Is there any other realistic possibility as 124 00:07:23,480 --> 00:07:24,360 Speaker 2: to what could have happened? 125 00:07:26,480 --> 00:07:28,960 Speaker 4: From my perspective, I agree with you. I think it's 126 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:31,680 Speaker 4: a different book, may be very entertainment book, but I 127 00:07:31,720 --> 00:07:37,680 Speaker 4: don't think that UFOs are right. You'll play much of 128 00:07:37,720 --> 00:07:41,080 Speaker 4: a direct card. But you know, I think the question 129 00:07:41,200 --> 00:07:45,200 Speaker 4: would be outside of a number of POTENTI you have 130 00:07:45,480 --> 00:07:50,960 Speaker 4: really three options outside of human error, but you have 131 00:07:51,240 --> 00:07:57,240 Speaker 4: occasionally pilot suicides, you have you know, intentional acts of pilots. 132 00:07:57,840 --> 00:08:01,920 Speaker 4: Recently a documentary on HBO had a very unique spin 133 00:08:02,040 --> 00:08:06,840 Speaker 4: and look at that the Nathan Fielder's the rehearsal and 134 00:08:06,920 --> 00:08:11,520 Speaker 4: how the human element of a pilot entering the cockpits 135 00:08:11,600 --> 00:08:14,480 Speaker 4: interface on one other pilot. They don't know how that 136 00:08:14,520 --> 00:08:17,920 Speaker 4: plays out in air travel. But between that the potential 137 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:21,040 Speaker 4: for a mistake, or if you read the book and 138 00:08:22,600 --> 00:08:25,160 Speaker 4: you know, look at some of the suppositions, some of 139 00:08:25,200 --> 00:08:30,840 Speaker 4: the questions that we explore, there there is a certainly 140 00:08:30,920 --> 00:08:34,640 Speaker 4: a potential high benefit for somebody to take advantage of 141 00:08:34,679 --> 00:08:39,720 Speaker 4: an aircraft that disappears from the radar and or rather 142 00:08:39,800 --> 00:08:43,800 Speaker 4: it does not appear on a receptive radar. And that's 143 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:46,320 Speaker 4: that's very valuable and it may be worth going to 144 00:08:46,360 --> 00:08:50,000 Speaker 4: extraordinary lengths to procure, at least in our fictional spin 145 00:08:50,040 --> 00:08:50,320 Speaker 4: on it. 146 00:08:50,640 --> 00:08:53,280 Speaker 2: No I said my last question, and again I know 147 00:08:53,320 --> 00:08:55,959 Speaker 2: I'm focusing on this incident because this is the instance 148 00:08:55,960 --> 00:08:58,440 Speaker 2: which I do believe will attract people to your book, 149 00:08:58,480 --> 00:08:59,600 Speaker 2: and I'm going to plug the book with. 150 00:08:59,559 --> 00:09:00,480 Speaker 3: You a moment. 151 00:09:01,559 --> 00:09:05,080 Speaker 2: Do you know if the authorities, whoever they would be, 152 00:09:05,160 --> 00:09:10,160 Speaker 2: whether it's Malaysian Air or some other international agency or 153 00:09:10,160 --> 00:09:15,480 Speaker 2: some other government, had they ever drawn a circle, you know, 154 00:09:15,520 --> 00:09:18,200 Speaker 2: and it might be a very big circle. Or obviously 155 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:20,640 Speaker 2: this plane would not have crashed on land. I don't 156 00:09:20,679 --> 00:09:25,360 Speaker 2: believe that maybe there's a remote island somewhere, but it 157 00:09:25,840 --> 00:09:29,240 Speaker 2: had they been able to all even pin down the 158 00:09:29,400 --> 00:09:34,440 Speaker 2: general geographic area that this plane must have you know, 159 00:09:35,040 --> 00:09:39,000 Speaker 2: impacted on Earth, whether this plaasts have impacted on Earth. 160 00:09:40,120 --> 00:09:47,040 Speaker 4: Yeah, there's a geographic area where it could have conceivably 161 00:09:48,800 --> 00:09:51,719 Speaker 4: descended or had a repudscend, crashed into the ocean. And 162 00:09:51,960 --> 00:09:55,200 Speaker 4: you nail it. It's big. It's very big and very 163 00:09:55,200 --> 00:09:58,959 Speaker 4: hard to search and very deep. And then there is 164 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:02,439 Speaker 4: another consideration at the plane safely landed somewhere and was concealed. 165 00:10:02,440 --> 00:10:04,560 Speaker 4: And I don't say that, you know, I don't like 166 00:10:04,600 --> 00:10:08,560 Speaker 4: to play play with the tragedy of those who are 167 00:10:08,559 --> 00:10:12,280 Speaker 4: still looking for answers about their loved ones. But in this, 168 00:10:12,640 --> 00:10:14,880 Speaker 4: you know, in this spin on fiction, we have some 169 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:19,559 Speaker 4: questions which I think, whether related to this disaster, invite 170 00:10:20,559 --> 00:10:25,880 Speaker 4: you'll invite some pretty spooky thoughts about the complacency we have, 171 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:29,160 Speaker 4: or at least the assumption about the integrity of this 172 00:10:29,520 --> 00:10:32,120 Speaker 4: massive global networking system. 173 00:10:33,080 --> 00:10:35,520 Speaker 2: Okay, let's what is the name of the book, and 174 00:10:35,600 --> 00:10:38,440 Speaker 2: like anything else, I know that every book is available 175 00:10:38,480 --> 00:10:40,680 Speaker 2: through Amazon and also at bookstores. 176 00:10:41,800 --> 00:10:44,400 Speaker 3: What is the name of the book. 177 00:10:45,800 --> 00:10:48,600 Speaker 4: The book is Flight forty seven, and yes, it's available 178 00:10:48,640 --> 00:10:53,400 Speaker 4: on Amazon, Barnes and Noble, and certainly hopefully at your 179 00:10:53,400 --> 00:10:56,959 Speaker 4: local bookstore where you can maybe talk to a human, 180 00:10:57,040 --> 00:10:59,600 Speaker 4: but in all those other channels should be available to. 181 00:11:00,640 --> 00:11:06,040 Speaker 2: Flight forty seven. Is that's that simple? Straightforward? Have you 182 00:11:06,160 --> 00:11:08,600 Speaker 2: done other books in this realm before? Or is this 183 00:11:08,679 --> 00:11:09,480 Speaker 2: your first effort? 184 00:11:10,880 --> 00:11:11,040 Speaker 5: Now? 185 00:11:11,080 --> 00:11:14,520 Speaker 4: My first efforts. My first book, Silence Serve, was just 186 00:11:14,600 --> 00:11:19,240 Speaker 4: purchased an option by Paramount Pictures, and that's a that's 187 00:11:19,240 --> 00:11:22,640 Speaker 4: an espionage book. Similarly, it's about somebody's looking at the 188 00:11:23,080 --> 00:11:28,040 Speaker 4: vast sort of shadowy, shadowy set of global systems and 189 00:11:30,440 --> 00:11:33,360 Speaker 4: trying to trying to navigate their way through that. But 190 00:11:33,640 --> 00:11:36,199 Speaker 4: that's more of an espionage book, where this is sort 191 00:11:36,240 --> 00:11:39,000 Speaker 4: of a thriller. But that one is out and a 192 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:40,240 Speaker 4: couple others as well on the way. 193 00:11:40,320 --> 00:11:44,120 Speaker 2: Well, Flight forty seven is out, and I think it's 194 00:11:44,320 --> 00:11:45,959 Speaker 2: it's one that I'm going to get and try to 195 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:48,440 Speaker 2: give a read at it because this story has always 196 00:11:48,440 --> 00:11:50,679 Speaker 2: been in the back of my mind and it's it's 197 00:11:50,760 --> 00:11:54,079 Speaker 2: fright It's a frightening reality that occurred twelve years ago, 198 00:11:54,280 --> 00:11:57,240 Speaker 2: and let us hope it never happens again. I guess 199 00:11:56,920 --> 00:12:03,000 Speaker 2: it actually hit the bookstores the bookstands April, well, it 200 00:12:03,040 --> 00:12:05,680 Speaker 2: will hit. It's not out yet. April twenty second, it's 201 00:12:05,679 --> 00:12:08,679 Speaker 2: coming out, or this is April twenty second last year. 202 00:12:08,720 --> 00:12:11,280 Speaker 2: I'm sorry it's been out for a while. How's it doing. 203 00:12:12,720 --> 00:12:16,720 Speaker 4: It's doing well. It actually came out in January. I 204 00:12:16,760 --> 00:12:19,199 Speaker 4: believe that there was an announcement last year. But yeah, 205 00:12:19,200 --> 00:12:22,040 Speaker 4: the book is available and it's doing well. We've had 206 00:12:22,640 --> 00:12:26,280 Speaker 4: a long, long, short of interviews today, one to the 207 00:12:26,360 --> 00:12:29,000 Speaker 4: other talking about it. So it's been. 208 00:12:29,800 --> 00:12:31,880 Speaker 2: As I said, I might have taken you in another direction, 209 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:34,560 Speaker 2: but that's what we do here on Nightside, and I 210 00:12:34,600 --> 00:12:37,040 Speaker 2: think people will be intrigued. I think most people remember 211 00:12:37,080 --> 00:12:39,719 Speaker 2: it and hopefully you'll sell some books. Thomas Ray, thank 212 00:12:39,760 --> 00:12:41,320 Speaker 2: you very much for having joined us tonight. 213 00:12:42,360 --> 00:12:43,200 Speaker 4: Thank you for having me. 214 00:12:43,400 --> 00:12:44,080 Speaker 3: You're very welcome. 215 00:12:44,120 --> 00:12:47,520 Speaker 2: We get back on to talk about a type of champagne. 216 00:12:47,559 --> 00:12:51,360 Speaker 2: I'm not a huge champagne guy. I'll SIPs champagne obviously, 217 00:12:51,760 --> 00:12:54,600 Speaker 2: but there's a type of champagne called Ballinger and I 218 00:12:54,600 --> 00:12:57,839 Speaker 2: guess the backstory of this Champagne is pretty interesting. And 219 00:12:58,559 --> 00:13:00,559 Speaker 2: there's another book out that we're going to talk about, 220 00:13:00,640 --> 00:13:06,000 Speaker 2: License to Thrill Lily Bollinger. We'll talk with Rebecca Rosenberg, 221 00:13:06,120 --> 00:13:08,440 Speaker 2: a best selling author, about that book right after this. 222 00:13:11,200 --> 00:13:15,920 Speaker 1: It's Night Side with Dan Ray on Boston's News Radio. 223 00:13:16,440 --> 00:13:20,080 Speaker 2: Delighted to welcome Rebecca Rosenberg. She is a Sonoma Valley 224 00:13:20,080 --> 00:13:23,560 Speaker 2: based Champagne historian. I have been to Sonoma Valley and 225 00:13:23,679 --> 00:13:28,560 Speaker 2: an award winning historical novelist. Normally, Rebecca, we don't do novels, 226 00:13:28,600 --> 00:13:31,280 Speaker 2: but my producer felt we should make an exception here. 227 00:13:32,160 --> 00:13:35,760 Speaker 2: You are the the novelist of something called the Champagne 228 00:13:36,280 --> 00:13:39,839 Speaker 2: Widows series, and your latest is called Licensed to Thrill 229 00:13:40,080 --> 00:13:45,400 Speaker 2: Lily Bollinger. And I guess Bollinger, Champagne owes its very 230 00:13:45,520 --> 00:13:50,160 Speaker 2: existence today to Lily Bollinger, tell us about it. 231 00:13:51,120 --> 00:13:57,000 Speaker 6: Absolutely. Actually, all three Champagne widows are remarkable women that 232 00:13:57,200 --> 00:14:01,760 Speaker 6: lived in starting in the eighteen hundreds with vog Clico 233 00:14:02,640 --> 00:14:06,560 Speaker 6: and going on to Madame Pomery. And this is the 234 00:14:06,720 --> 00:14:11,319 Speaker 6: third and most recent widow. And we'll get into why 235 00:14:11,360 --> 00:14:14,840 Speaker 6: they're widows in a second. But she came up with 236 00:14:15,120 --> 00:14:20,160 Speaker 6: a remarkable technique in champagne making that they're still using today. 237 00:14:20,280 --> 00:14:23,760 Speaker 6: That just changed the entire world. And of course you 238 00:14:23,960 --> 00:14:29,280 Speaker 6: heard who loves her Champagne is mister James Bond. 239 00:14:30,240 --> 00:14:32,840 Speaker 2: Right, is that the real James Bond, assuming there is 240 00:14:32,880 --> 00:14:36,840 Speaker 2: a real James Bond or one of the James Bond actors. 241 00:14:37,640 --> 00:14:42,240 Speaker 6: Well, actually it is the James Bond series, because I believe. 242 00:14:42,560 --> 00:14:45,760 Speaker 2: I'm just wondering if there was one particular one, because 243 00:14:45,800 --> 00:14:48,240 Speaker 2: we had a few. So when did Lily Ballinger live? 244 00:14:48,320 --> 00:14:52,000 Speaker 2: She apparently lived at least during part of World War Two, 245 00:14:52,040 --> 00:14:54,600 Speaker 2: so she's a relatively recent recent character. 246 00:14:55,360 --> 00:14:55,600 Speaker 5: Yes. 247 00:14:56,000 --> 00:15:00,240 Speaker 6: In fact, her reign at Ballinger was from nineth teen 248 00:15:00,280 --> 00:15:03,800 Speaker 6: forty four when her husband died in World War Two 249 00:15:04,560 --> 00:15:07,800 Speaker 6: and they were occupied by the Nazis. In fact, they 250 00:15:07,800 --> 00:15:12,520 Speaker 6: were in their home, beautiful chateau, and in the entire 251 00:15:12,720 --> 00:15:16,160 Speaker 6: and all of France they were there, and her husband 252 00:15:16,200 --> 00:15:19,600 Speaker 6: died and left her this winery, and they had no 253 00:15:19,840 --> 00:15:22,960 Speaker 6: children to help her do any of it, no heirs 254 00:15:23,000 --> 00:15:23,760 Speaker 6: at all. 255 00:15:23,680 --> 00:15:27,800 Speaker 3: So she war yees. Then how long did. 256 00:15:27,640 --> 00:15:35,360 Speaker 6: She live till nineteen seventy eight? That's quite wrong, a 257 00:15:35,400 --> 00:15:39,720 Speaker 6: long time, and what she did during that time was remarkable. 258 00:15:39,800 --> 00:15:43,200 Speaker 6: What she did was gather her nephews and her nieces 259 00:15:43,800 --> 00:15:48,280 Speaker 6: around and teach them the entire craft of making champagne, 260 00:15:48,280 --> 00:15:52,960 Speaker 6: which is really pretty difficult to do. And she even 261 00:15:53,160 --> 00:15:56,760 Speaker 6: after the war, came over to America and traveled all 262 00:15:56,800 --> 00:16:00,880 Speaker 6: through America throwing parties for all the day mitaries and 263 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:06,000 Speaker 6: celebrities and movie stars and hotels and restaurant tours. And 264 00:16:06,040 --> 00:16:11,800 Speaker 6: she absolutely slayed America. And they felt that Bollinger champagne 265 00:16:11,840 --> 00:16:15,040 Speaker 6: was the only kind of champagne that they wanted, so 266 00:16:15,080 --> 00:16:17,320 Speaker 6: she really captured that market. 267 00:16:17,560 --> 00:16:20,200 Speaker 2: So they had she had the She had the additional 268 00:16:20,560 --> 00:16:25,560 Speaker 2: impetus of the James Bond movies which began to appear. 269 00:16:26,320 --> 00:16:29,080 Speaker 2: I think it was in the early sixties. They're not 270 00:16:29,160 --> 00:16:33,800 Speaker 2: a great James Bond movie fan fan. I can't tell 271 00:16:33,840 --> 00:16:37,800 Speaker 2: you one of them because frankly, I think that they 272 00:16:37,840 --> 00:16:43,080 Speaker 2: were big before I was even much aware of movie them. So, 273 00:16:43,360 --> 00:16:45,680 Speaker 2: but I certainly know what the James Bond series is. 274 00:16:45,880 --> 00:16:49,640 Speaker 2: How is the champagne doing today. She's now been gone 275 00:16:49,680 --> 00:16:51,920 Speaker 2: for what forty five years or something like that. 276 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:55,360 Speaker 6: Yeah, but it's like one of the top, probably one 277 00:16:55,400 --> 00:17:00,240 Speaker 6: of the top five champagnes, and vocally co which the 278 00:17:00,240 --> 00:17:02,000 Speaker 6: first one I told you about it now it's from 279 00:17:02,160 --> 00:17:07,240 Speaker 6: eighteen hundred. That is number one in the world that. 280 00:17:08,600 --> 00:17:11,320 Speaker 2: I am familiar with. That one, that's that's very popular. 281 00:17:11,800 --> 00:17:14,639 Speaker 2: Bouludre doesn't sound like a French name though, tell me 282 00:17:14,720 --> 00:17:15,880 Speaker 2: that backstory, Yew. 283 00:17:15,880 --> 00:17:19,360 Speaker 6: That isn't. That is a German name, which and there 284 00:17:19,359 --> 00:17:22,680 Speaker 6: were a lot of Germans in France, and they were 285 00:17:22,720 --> 00:17:26,920 Speaker 6: involved with the wine industry. In fact, the Germans, the 286 00:17:27,040 --> 00:17:31,520 Speaker 6: Nazis put a German that had been selling French wines 287 00:17:32,000 --> 00:17:35,199 Speaker 6: to them, so the French thought that he was a friend, 288 00:17:35,280 --> 00:17:38,440 Speaker 6: but he was not. So they they did all sorts 289 00:17:38,480 --> 00:17:43,920 Speaker 6: of exciting things to fight the whole Germans, and they 290 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:48,600 Speaker 6: really had the French resistance right there in Champagne and 291 00:17:48,720 --> 00:17:51,080 Speaker 6: did a lot of work to win the war. 292 00:17:51,400 --> 00:17:54,160 Speaker 2: Oh no, I think all of us here in New 293 00:17:54,160 --> 00:17:58,119 Speaker 2: England know well of the French resistance and Charles de 294 00:17:58,240 --> 00:18:02,760 Speaker 2: Gaul's role in World War Two, and thank god that 295 00:18:04,280 --> 00:18:07,879 Speaker 2: we ended up surviving and winning that war for sure. 296 00:18:08,440 --> 00:18:12,639 Speaker 2: Obviously it was a horrific war. My dad served in 297 00:18:12,760 --> 00:18:15,719 Speaker 2: World War two, not in Europe, in China, Burma, India, 298 00:18:15,800 --> 00:18:21,080 Speaker 2: so I'm very familiar from the family Stories of my 299 00:18:21,240 --> 00:18:24,679 Speaker 2: childhood and teenage years. The name of the book is 300 00:18:24,760 --> 00:18:28,720 Speaker 2: licensed to thrill Lily Ballinger. Is this just out? When 301 00:18:29,200 --> 00:18:31,160 Speaker 2: has it been available for a while. I'm sure it's 302 00:18:31,160 --> 00:18:31,800 Speaker 2: on Amazon. 303 00:18:32,680 --> 00:18:35,640 Speaker 6: Yeah, you can order it now and it comes out 304 00:18:35,800 --> 00:18:40,800 Speaker 6: April sixth. Okay, what I have discovered is that people 305 00:18:40,880 --> 00:18:45,919 Speaker 6: really love the paperbacks because they are spectacular covers. They're 306 00:18:45,960 --> 00:18:49,760 Speaker 6: all posters from the era that they come from of 307 00:18:50,080 --> 00:18:52,880 Speaker 6: women in these roles making champagne. 308 00:18:53,119 --> 00:18:55,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, they're really good to stuff in your suitcase, so 309 00:18:55,359 --> 00:18:56,800 Speaker 2: you can read them on a plane as well. 310 00:18:56,880 --> 00:18:57,120 Speaker 3: Yeah. 311 00:18:57,200 --> 00:19:01,000 Speaker 2: No, April sixth that's my son's my son's birthday. 312 00:19:01,040 --> 00:19:01,920 Speaker 3: So I'll always. 313 00:19:04,119 --> 00:19:07,560 Speaker 2: License to thrill as opposed to license to kill. License 314 00:19:07,640 --> 00:19:11,960 Speaker 2: to thrill Lily Ballinger. I get the double entendre. Rebecca Rosenberg, 315 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:14,119 Speaker 2: thank you very much for your time and love to 316 00:19:14,119 --> 00:19:15,919 Speaker 2: have you back anytime here on Nightside. 317 00:19:16,400 --> 00:19:18,040 Speaker 6: Thank you, Jan You're very welcome. 318 00:19:18,720 --> 00:19:21,359 Speaker 3: Will we get back. We're going to talk with John Vincent. 319 00:19:21,359 --> 00:19:25,520 Speaker 2: He's the US News and World Report senior editor vehicle testing. 320 00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:27,960 Speaker 2: But he's going to talk about how to avoid stick 321 00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:31,840 Speaker 2: a shock at the gas pump. Six essential chips. My opinion, 322 00:19:31,920 --> 00:19:34,040 Speaker 2: stick a shock at the guests. Thank is a little 323 00:19:34,040 --> 00:19:36,520 Speaker 2: overstated right now. I mean we're paying you know, maybe 324 00:19:36,520 --> 00:19:40,920 Speaker 2: a dollar more, eighty cents more, But that's going to end, 325 00:19:41,440 --> 00:19:44,639 Speaker 2: and prices will come back down in my opinion, and 326 00:19:44,720 --> 00:19:47,280 Speaker 2: the world might actually be a safer place than if 327 00:19:47,720 --> 00:19:50,960 Speaker 2: around was still running around with nuclear weapons. But I'll 328 00:19:51,040 --> 00:19:53,159 Speaker 2: keep that out of the conversation. We'll just talk with 329 00:19:53,240 --> 00:19:56,320 Speaker 2: John Vincent to view as world of News Report coming 330 00:19:56,359 --> 00:19:57,280 Speaker 2: back on Nightside. 331 00:19:58,640 --> 00:20:03,560 Speaker 1: You're on night Side dead Rays News Radio. 332 00:20:04,359 --> 00:20:08,680 Speaker 3: Delighted to be joined by John Vincent. He's with US News. John, 333 00:20:08,720 --> 00:20:09,720 Speaker 3: I always get confused. 334 00:20:09,880 --> 00:20:12,879 Speaker 2: I should I be saying US News and World Reporter 335 00:20:13,520 --> 00:20:15,439 Speaker 2: down down to just US News. 336 00:20:16,560 --> 00:20:21,120 Speaker 5: You know it's still technically World Report, but I'm good 337 00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:22,600 Speaker 5: with with the US Dennis. 338 00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:23,119 Speaker 3: That's okay. 339 00:20:23,160 --> 00:20:26,040 Speaker 2: You're a senior editor on vehicle testing, but you're not 340 00:20:26,080 --> 00:20:28,960 Speaker 2: talking about vehicle testing tonight. You're talking about how to 341 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:32,160 Speaker 2: avoid sticker shock at the gas pump. Normally we think 342 00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:34,320 Speaker 2: about sticker shock where we buy a car, not at 343 00:20:34,359 --> 00:20:39,119 Speaker 2: the gas pump. Six essential tips from US News a 344 00:20:39,240 --> 00:20:44,560 Speaker 2: senior car expert. Let's hear some of the tips. I'll 345 00:20:44,600 --> 00:20:47,920 Speaker 2: be happy to hear them. 346 00:20:48,040 --> 00:20:51,199 Speaker 5: Well. First off, don't do any more driving than necessary. 347 00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:55,960 Speaker 5: You know, do some trip that's solid groups in one trip, 348 00:20:56,040 --> 00:20:59,080 Speaker 5: so you're not going all over the world to you know, 349 00:20:59,800 --> 00:21:01,040 Speaker 5: do separate areas. 350 00:21:01,320 --> 00:21:03,719 Speaker 3: That's, by the way, you just stole my idea. I 351 00:21:03,800 --> 00:21:04,560 Speaker 3: was I was waiting. 352 00:21:04,560 --> 00:21:06,000 Speaker 2: I was hoping you were going to get to six 353 00:21:06,080 --> 00:21:08,040 Speaker 2: and not mention that. I think if you take a 354 00:21:08,040 --> 00:21:09,720 Speaker 2: couple of minutes in the morning and you say, Okay, 355 00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:11,240 Speaker 2: what am I gonna do today? Okay, I got to 356 00:21:11,280 --> 00:21:12,840 Speaker 2: go to the laundry, I know, I got to pick 357 00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:15,679 Speaker 2: up the dry cleaning, uh, and got to go to 358 00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:18,240 Speaker 2: the post office, and I need to do a little 359 00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:21,080 Speaker 2: bit of grocery shopping. And if you just make it 360 00:21:21,119 --> 00:21:24,480 Speaker 2: a big one, you know, circle, get it over with 361 00:21:25,320 --> 00:21:27,119 Speaker 2: and do it as officially as possible. It is what 362 00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:28,760 Speaker 2: you're talking about. I agree with that. 363 00:21:28,840 --> 00:21:29,240 Speaker 3: Totally. 364 00:21:29,359 --> 00:21:33,199 Speaker 5: Keep going with my friend and then drives like you 365 00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:37,199 Speaker 5: did when you were in driver's head. Slow down, do 366 00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:40,800 Speaker 5: you think smoothly? Your foot does not always need it 367 00:21:40,840 --> 00:21:43,560 Speaker 5: to be on either the brake pedal or the accelerator 368 00:21:43,800 --> 00:21:47,840 Speaker 5: accelerator pedal, you can let the car coast. Yes, when 369 00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:49,800 Speaker 5: you see that laid ahead of you and you think 370 00:21:49,800 --> 00:21:53,040 Speaker 5: it's gonna turn your head. Don't lift off the gas pedal. Yeah. 371 00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:57,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's how I like to drive. 372 00:21:57,640 --> 00:22:01,000 Speaker 2: If I'm in a hilly area, U and I see 373 00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:03,640 Speaker 2: in the distance it's a light that has just turned yellow, 374 00:22:04,520 --> 00:22:08,399 Speaker 2: I will I will coast down that hill and ab 375 00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:11,960 Speaker 2: and you hope that you that the car comes to 376 00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:15,320 Speaker 2: a natural stop without having even to apply the break. 377 00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:19,639 Speaker 2: Not only have you maxed yourself out of your gas consumption, 378 00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:22,080 Speaker 2: but you've also saved some wear and tear in the 379 00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:22,760 Speaker 2: braking system. 380 00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:24,560 Speaker 3: Give us a couple more I like these, yep. 381 00:22:26,800 --> 00:22:30,720 Speaker 5: So be aware of where you're buying your gas and 382 00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:34,600 Speaker 5: when you're buying your gas. You know, the warehouse clubs 383 00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:38,119 Speaker 5: generally have some of the lowest prices. Not always true, 384 00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:41,639 Speaker 5: but in general they do use an app like gas 385 00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:45,600 Speaker 5: Buddy to find out what's what the best prices in 386 00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:50,080 Speaker 5: your area are. But don't drive across town to save 387 00:22:50,119 --> 00:22:51,719 Speaker 5: ten cents a gallon on gas. 388 00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:53,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, you got to use your head. 389 00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:57,440 Speaker 2: I have a station that I recommend to my listeners 390 00:22:57,480 --> 00:22:59,639 Speaker 2: only because it's the guy who runs it as a 391 00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:04,240 Speaker 2: great guys. It's an off brand station. It's called Patriot Petroleum, 392 00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:05,919 Speaker 2: but the gas is as good as you get at 393 00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:09,280 Speaker 2: any of the big brand stations, and whether the gas 394 00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:12,399 Speaker 2: prices are a little higher as they are now or 395 00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:14,720 Speaker 2: when they were back, you know, a month and a 396 00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:17,840 Speaker 2: half ago, when they were really, in many cases below 397 00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:22,520 Speaker 2: two seventy five. And he's always the lowest Gary on 398 00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:27,840 Speaker 2: Route nine in Wellsley, in Wellesley, right over the line 399 00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:29,560 Speaker 2: by Route one eight. 400 00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:32,720 Speaker 3: And that's a geographic area you don't know, but sometimes 401 00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:33,040 Speaker 3: we do. 402 00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:35,480 Speaker 2: We do shows, not shows, we're doing an hour with 403 00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:38,920 Speaker 2: people asking them and it's amazing what a discrepancy in 404 00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:43,560 Speaker 2: price there is, not only now, but a month ago. 405 00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:46,119 Speaker 2: I mean there were still some gas stations out there. 406 00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:49,240 Speaker 2: There were killing people at three ninety nine. And if 407 00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:50,960 Speaker 2: you were dumb enough to go in and buy it 408 00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:52,800 Speaker 2: at three ninety nine, or maybe if you had a 409 00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:55,320 Speaker 2: corporate card and you didn't care, the gas. 410 00:23:55,160 --> 00:24:00,199 Speaker 3: Station did great. But if you look around, that can 411 00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:01,560 Speaker 3: save actual real money. 412 00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:02,199 Speaker 4: Uh. 413 00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:06,880 Speaker 2: Yes, Do you go back to the late seventies when 414 00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:10,720 Speaker 2: when gas really bumped up, you know, during one of 415 00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:14,960 Speaker 2: the oil embargos and the OPEC decisions. I remember those 416 00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:18,439 Speaker 2: stories where we'll OPEC cut their production and will they 417 00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:20,760 Speaker 2: raise their production and all of us were waiting to 418 00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:23,080 Speaker 2: hear that. I mean, we've been through this drill before. 419 00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:24,400 Speaker 3: Right we have. 420 00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:29,000 Speaker 5: You know, in those times, we actually had literal gas shortages. 421 00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:33,280 Speaker 5: We don't have gas shortages right now yet, but the 422 00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:37,160 Speaker 5: supply and demand equations are definitely off right now. 423 00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:40,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, but I remember when you could, at least here 424 00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:43,360 Speaker 2: in Massachusetts. I was working as a television reporter back 425 00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:47,080 Speaker 2: at that time, and there were days when if your license, 426 00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:50,080 Speaker 2: and I think we had many more numeric licenses than 427 00:24:50,119 --> 00:24:55,240 Speaker 2: we now have, sort of accommodation numeric and an alphabetic alphabetical. 428 00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:57,800 Speaker 2: If if it was an even number, you could you 429 00:24:57,800 --> 00:24:59,920 Speaker 2: could get gas on Tuesday. If it was an odd number, 430 00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:01,359 Speaker 2: get a gas on Wednesday. 431 00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:05,119 Speaker 3: I remember all of that stuff. Yep. 432 00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:09,679 Speaker 5: That's why my father bought an original Volkswagen Beetle because 433 00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:13,000 Speaker 5: it got better fuel economy than the sixty eight Country 434 00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:16,439 Speaker 5: Squire for big old Ford Country Squire wagon that the 435 00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:17,000 Speaker 5: family drove. 436 00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:23,560 Speaker 2: I will bet I remember, and people who watched the 437 00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:27,399 Speaker 2: station I worked on at the time, WBZ, there was 438 00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:30,840 Speaker 2: a place in You're not from Boston, obviously, so this 439 00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:34,600 Speaker 2: might not I think you'll appreciate the story. There was 440 00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:38,119 Speaker 2: a gas station downtown that was called Charles Circle at 441 00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:41,280 Speaker 2: the time, and it was a Gulf station and they 442 00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:45,040 Speaker 2: actually would change the price. So late at night, after 443 00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:48,400 Speaker 2: ten o'clock, they pumped the price up. It went up 444 00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:51,960 Speaker 2: like six dollars a gallon, except six point fifty if 445 00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:54,440 Speaker 2: I recall correctly. And the guy that owned the station 446 00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:57,200 Speaker 2: was a guy named Glenn Heller, I'll never forget his name. 447 00:25:57,680 --> 00:26:00,199 Speaker 2: During the day it would be like four bars, but 448 00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:02,920 Speaker 2: at night six point thirty. And the reason he did 449 00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:06,639 Speaker 2: that was sometimes people are desperate at night they didn't 450 00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:07,280 Speaker 2: know if they had. 451 00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:08,840 Speaker 3: Enough gas to get out of town. 452 00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:13,560 Speaker 2: So on of one of my colleagues, a fellow reporter, 453 00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:16,640 Speaker 2: went down there and decided to do a big expos 454 00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:19,800 Speaker 2: that this guy was dramatically raising the price, and they 455 00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:22,520 Speaker 2: were talking about price controls all anyway, make a long 456 00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:24,679 Speaker 2: story short, the guy sat there and listened to the 457 00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:30,720 Speaker 2: reporter chastised him for raising the price, and very slowly 458 00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:33,199 Speaker 2: but carefully, and some of my listeners might remember this, 459 00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:38,680 Speaker 2: Glenn took a rate card out from WBZTV, where both 460 00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:41,359 Speaker 2: that other reporter and I worked, and he started to 461 00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:44,560 Speaker 2: read that the rates on the six and eleven o'clock 462 00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:48,680 Speaker 2: news which are the most popularly watched newscasts, were much 463 00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:51,760 Speaker 2: higher for a sixty second spot than they were at. 464 00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:57,399 Speaker 3: The noon newscast. You know, proven to the reporter that 465 00:26:58,240 --> 00:26:59,959 Speaker 3: it's it's a free market. 466 00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:04,520 Speaker 2: He was a free market forcing anyone at the point 467 00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:07,640 Speaker 2: of a gun to commit it by ten gallons of gasoline, 468 00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:11,680 Speaker 2: you know, to get home at night. Yeah, it was 469 00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:14,840 Speaker 2: one of the it was one of the most entertaining 470 00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:18,440 Speaker 2: live shots. And I'm so glad I was not the reporter. 471 00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:20,480 Speaker 3: In that. 472 00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:24,960 Speaker 2: So where are we The big prices around the country 473 00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:27,800 Speaker 2: right now, still are in California. That's Those are the 474 00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:30,280 Speaker 2: signs that you see that say, you know, five point 475 00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:31,399 Speaker 2: fifty nine or something. 476 00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:34,919 Speaker 3: But a lot of that is the state taxes in 477 00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:36,120 Speaker 3: the state of California. 478 00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:40,920 Speaker 5: Actually, I just landed in California this afternoon and came 479 00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:43,240 Speaker 5: up to a little bit north of Los Angeles to 480 00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:46,560 Speaker 5: where I'm in an event, and I watched the signs 481 00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:47,960 Speaker 5: as I came up, and I did not see a 482 00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:50,679 Speaker 5: single sign under five dollars a gallon. 483 00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:53,800 Speaker 4: It's the taxes, but it's. 484 00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:56,560 Speaker 5: Also that they use a different blend of gas land 485 00:27:56,600 --> 00:27:58,760 Speaker 5: in California, which costs more to refine. 486 00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:03,399 Speaker 2: Sure, but that's the decisions that the representatives of the 487 00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:08,040 Speaker 2: people who voted them in office in California making on behalf. 488 00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:10,360 Speaker 3: Of the people exactly. 489 00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:14,439 Speaker 2: I could get you regular guessed this afternoon at my 490 00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:17,080 Speaker 2: friend Garrett, not because it's me, but that's what they 491 00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:17,719 Speaker 2: were selling it for. 492 00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:19,119 Speaker 3: You want to take a guess what it was. 493 00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:22,359 Speaker 5: Are you still in the threes? 494 00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:23,840 Speaker 3: Yeah? Oh? Absolutely? 495 00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:30,000 Speaker 5: Wow? Three nine, Wow, that's impressive. I'm in Oregon and 496 00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:31,960 Speaker 5: I we're up above four. 497 00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:32,280 Speaker 3: Now. 498 00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:35,920 Speaker 2: Well, you're fairly progressive state out in Oregon as well. 499 00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:40,000 Speaker 2: We're progressive in Massachusetts, but our GUS tax at least 500 00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:43,480 Speaker 2: has stayed down here in Massachusetts. It's not anywhere near 501 00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:46,239 Speaker 2: what it is and some of the the more the 502 00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:47,320 Speaker 2: much more. 503 00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:51,360 Speaker 3: Taxi, you know, taxing states. I'll put it like that. 504 00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:54,520 Speaker 2: Hey, John Vincent, I really enjoyed this is your article 505 00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:55,920 Speaker 2: in US News this week. 506 00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:58,280 Speaker 3: Are you guys are now? Were on website? Right? You're 507 00:28:58,280 --> 00:28:59,200 Speaker 3: on websites right? 508 00:28:59,480 --> 00:28:59,560 Speaker 6: Ye? 509 00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:02,120 Speaker 5: All on the website. We don't have a magazine anymore. 510 00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:04,480 Speaker 5: Just go to usnews dot com and you can find 511 00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:04,960 Speaker 5: it there. 512 00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:06,040 Speaker 3: Excellent. 513 00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:08,880 Speaker 2: I have always always when I was, you know, younger, 514 00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:11,800 Speaker 2: growing up US World and News Report was one of 515 00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:14,000 Speaker 2: my go to reads every week. 516 00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:17,840 Speaker 5: I have one more, really really good tip. 517 00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:19,760 Speaker 3: On this, absolutely. 518 00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:23,160 Speaker 5: Go ahead, and that is know what kind of get 519 00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:27,440 Speaker 5: sure cartakes. And don't put premium premium fuel in unless 520 00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:31,520 Speaker 5: you need to, because it is like burning dollar bills 521 00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:31,920 Speaker 5: if you do. 522 00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:35,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, and make sure that if you do use you know, regularly, 523 00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:39,840 Speaker 2: don't use diesel. Make sure you don't make that mistake. 524 00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:44,320 Speaker 2: That's yes, that could be. That could be very distructive. John, 525 00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:45,880 Speaker 2: Thank you so much for your time. I really do 526 00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:46,600 Speaker 2: appreciate it. 527 00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:49,920 Speaker 5: Thank you for the opportunity talking again. 528 00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:53,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd love to, and and thank you for allowing 529 00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:55,360 Speaker 2: me to tell that story. I haven't told that story 530 00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:57,600 Speaker 2: on radio, but it's a funny story. And I remember 531 00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:01,120 Speaker 2: the reporter. Uh, she's no longer in the well, she's 532 00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:04,000 Speaker 2: no longer working in Boston. So I'm sure I'm going 533 00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:05,760 Speaker 2: to get no blowback on that one, is what I'm 534 00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:08,840 Speaker 2: trying to say. And the statue of limitations has long 535 00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:14,360 Speaker 2: since expired. Thank you, John. But we get back when 536 00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:18,080 Speaker 2: we talk about a disappointing baseball result last night with 537 00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:20,880 Speaker 2: Tim Healey and the Boston Globe. It's not about the 538 00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:22,560 Speaker 2: Red Sox and man I think the Red Sox had 539 00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:26,080 Speaker 2: people on both sides of the US Venezuela game. Venzuela 540 00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:28,720 Speaker 2: triumph three to two, in large part on a two 541 00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:32,120 Speaker 2: run homer by the right fielder for the Red Sox. Bray, 542 00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:34,160 Speaker 2: you two run homer in a three to two game, 543 00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:36,680 Speaker 2: That's the difference. We'll be talking with Tim Healy right 544 00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:37,960 Speaker 2: after the break here at Night Side. 545 00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:45,120 Speaker 1: You're on Night Side with Dan Ray on Boston's news radio. 546 00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:48,040 Speaker 3: All right, welcome back everyone. 547 00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:54,120 Speaker 2: During my show last night, the World Baseball Classic was played, 548 00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:57,760 Speaker 2: the final game between the US of A and Venezuela, 549 00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:02,560 Speaker 2: and I think by you know, Venezuela one with me 550 00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:06,000 Speaker 2: Tim Healy of the Boston Red Sox, of the Boston 551 00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:10,479 Speaker 2: Globe covering the Boston Red Sox. Tim has been based 552 00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:15,360 Speaker 2: at spring training through this spring, which is I think 553 00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:17,440 Speaker 2: great duty, that is for sure. 554 00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:18,240 Speaker 3: Tim. 555 00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:21,520 Speaker 2: You've you've written a lot about the Red Sox. I 556 00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:22,360 Speaker 2: had to get your take. 557 00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:22,800 Speaker 3: You had. 558 00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:24,800 Speaker 2: We had Red Sox on both sides of that game 559 00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:28,040 Speaker 2: last night. The losing pitchure was Whitlock and the home 560 00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:31,920 Speaker 2: run hero for Venezuela was a prey. You they did. 561 00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:35,280 Speaker 2: They had a pretty good show in the World Baseball Classic. 562 00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:36,560 Speaker 2: Welcome back to night Side. 563 00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:39,760 Speaker 1: Yes they did, thank you for having me. 564 00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:43,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, what did you did you you didn't? Did you 565 00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:45,720 Speaker 2: see any of the games in person? Or were you 566 00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:48,040 Speaker 2: like most of us looking at him on TV when 567 00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:49,080 Speaker 2: we had the opportunitio. 568 00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:54,720 Speaker 1: I was largely following on TV, but I did cover 569 00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:59,400 Speaker 1: for the Globe the United States versus Dominican Republic semi 570 00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:03,240 Speaker 1: final on Sunday, which was close to as electric a 571 00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:07,560 Speaker 1: baseball atmosphere as I've ever experienced. So it was really 572 00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:09,800 Speaker 1: cool to be there. Obviously, a great outcome in that 573 00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:13,120 Speaker 1: game for Team USA Roman Anthony the hero with the 574 00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:16,600 Speaker 1: game winning home run, so it was it was awesome. 575 00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:21,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was funny. Obviously, I think Venezuela was not 576 00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:23,880 Speaker 2: a favorite at all. I think that at the beginning 577 00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:26,400 Speaker 2: they were like an eleven to one shot. But they 578 00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:29,640 Speaker 2: have some pretty good players and so of course did 579 00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:33,800 Speaker 2: the did the dr It just proves baseball is no 580 00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:38,200 Speaker 2: longer maybe America's national pastime. Maybe football pro football is 581 00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:39,720 Speaker 2: America's national pastime. 582 00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:41,600 Speaker 3: It seems like it's. 583 00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:44,000 Speaker 2: Always in the in the news, whether it's during the season, 584 00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:47,960 Speaker 2: during the Super Bowl, in that period of free agency, 585 00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:50,240 Speaker 2: which have just got with which they're going through now. 586 00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:52,960 Speaker 2: Then of course you have the the players coming into 587 00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:56,760 Speaker 2: the combine, and then then the draft and and next 588 00:32:56,760 --> 00:32:59,000 Speaker 2: thing you know, their opening of camps. 589 00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:01,400 Speaker 3: It's a year. It's a year round sport. Football. 590 00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:07,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, football sort of done a good job of spreading out, uh, 591 00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:10,360 Speaker 1: spreading itself out and kind of owning as much of 592 00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:12,640 Speaker 1: the calendar as I can. My hope as a as 593 00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:16,760 Speaker 1: a baseball fan is that people realize in my lifetime 594 00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:22,120 Speaker 1: what a disaster football is for young people and than 595 00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:24,800 Speaker 1: adults when they play it. So I'm hoping we see 596 00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:27,320 Speaker 1: the decline and eventual depth of football, if you ask me, 597 00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:30,280 Speaker 1: but that that that'll be decades in the making. Maybe 598 00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:33,080 Speaker 1: we'll get there one day and baseball will reign supreme again, 599 00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:35,360 Speaker 1: but for now we'll have to settle for second place. 600 00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:36,280 Speaker 1: As baseball fan. 601 00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:38,280 Speaker 3: I'm a I'm a baseball guy. 602 00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:42,440 Speaker 2: Okay, I'm I'm a baby boomer, so I'm I grew 603 00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:45,120 Speaker 2: up with baseball. Football was black and white, watching the 604 00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:47,800 Speaker 2: New York Football Giants play the Cleveland Browns, and that 605 00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:52,840 Speaker 2: that was before the before the Patriots. However, I noticed 606 00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:57,640 Speaker 2: the Red Sox have picked up another pitcher who used 607 00:33:57,680 --> 00:33:59,760 Speaker 2: to pitch for the White Sox and the Yankees. A 608 00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:02,640 Speaker 2: guy who's been around for a long time, a right 609 00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:05,200 Speaker 2: hand to Tommy Kenneley. 610 00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:07,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, Tommy Kinley. 611 00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:10,800 Speaker 3: He is health. Is that an arm for the bullpen? 612 00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:12,640 Speaker 3: Or is he Worcester insurance? 613 00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:18,720 Speaker 1: It's a probably Worcester insurance. So Tommy Cainley is somebody 614 00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:20,840 Speaker 1: who's played more than ten years in the majors, a 615 00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:22,879 Speaker 1: lot of time with the Yankees, a bunch of time 616 00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:25,279 Speaker 1: with the White Sox. He's bounced around a little bit. 617 00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:27,440 Speaker 1: Not too good of a season last year, so the 618 00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:30,480 Speaker 1: Red Sox got him on a minor league contract. They 619 00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:34,400 Speaker 1: do have probably one opening in the bullpen. 620 00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:36,640 Speaker 3: Heading look for a lefty, aren't they. 621 00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:40,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, well they got last week. They signed Danny Colomb 622 00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:42,440 Speaker 1: who's a lefty, so he'll he should be good to 623 00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:45,080 Speaker 1: go for next week when the season starts. That'll give 624 00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:48,480 Speaker 1: them probably three lefties in the bullpen, including our oldest chapman, 625 00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:52,160 Speaker 1: the closer. So will Tommy Cainley be on the opening 626 00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:55,719 Speaker 1: day roster? I would guess not. Might he make the 627 00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:58,560 Speaker 1: team at some point in April wouldn't surprise me at all. 628 00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:01,680 Speaker 1: So it's sort of a a lottery ticket if you will, 629 00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:05,680 Speaker 1: a low risk, potentially nice, medium reward kind of signing 630 00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:08,680 Speaker 1: for the Red Sox and that's you know, they definitely 631 00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:10,280 Speaker 1: need some of those days this year in the bullpen. 632 00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:12,600 Speaker 3: Where did this big write he Dreck Keller come from. 633 00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:14,200 Speaker 3: He played four years in Japan. 634 00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:16,200 Speaker 2: I don't remember him being in the big leagues in 635 00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:16,840 Speaker 2: his twenties. 636 00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:20,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, but you don't remember him being in the big 637 00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:23,200 Speaker 1: leagues in his twenties because he pitched for the Marlins 638 00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:27,200 Speaker 1: and he was not very good. So that'll pretty much 639 00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:27,560 Speaker 1: do it. 640 00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:29,120 Speaker 2: You know. 641 00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:31,200 Speaker 1: I used to cover the Marlins and I barely knew 642 00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:36,319 Speaker 1: about Kyle Keller. So he is another guy who might 643 00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:39,120 Speaker 1: make the team out of spring training. He pitched quite 644 00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:42,359 Speaker 1: well in Japan the last four years. He learned a 645 00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:44,680 Speaker 1: splitter while he was over there. I pitched that is 646 00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:48,000 Speaker 1: very very popular in Japan, less so in the United States, 647 00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:49,640 Speaker 1: but it's started coming back a little bit the last 648 00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:52,879 Speaker 1: couple of years. So he's another interesting guy to get 649 00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:54,279 Speaker 1: one of those last spots on the roster. 650 00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:55,200 Speaker 3: Yeah. 651 00:35:55,080 --> 00:36:01,839 Speaker 2: When I was young, they called a splitter the drop. Yeah, 652 00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:04,319 Speaker 2: the pitch does and change says just the name of it. 653 00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:05,640 Speaker 3: I have to ask you. 654 00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:07,640 Speaker 2: The last time you were with me a couple of 655 00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:10,439 Speaker 2: weeks ago, we talked about this young guy who wasn't 656 00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:12,400 Speaker 2: the roster, probably wasn't going to make the team. 657 00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:14,320 Speaker 3: Who would who had started? 658 00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:18,560 Speaker 2: Uh, he's he's almost given up on himself. Uh, and 659 00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:22,640 Speaker 2: you wrote a great piece. Is his name Uberstein? 660 00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:23,000 Speaker 6: Is that? 661 00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:25,160 Speaker 3: Yia? 662 00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:30,319 Speaker 1: Tyler Tyler Eberstein, that is the correct pronouncin That. 663 00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:33,919 Speaker 2: His dad is a football he's an agent for NFL players, 664 00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:36,319 Speaker 2: but he doesn't represent his own son. 665 00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:42,799 Speaker 1: Yeah, Uh, that is funny. Yeah, Tyler Uberstein's dad is 666 00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:46,120 Speaker 1: Gary Uberstein, a long time NFL agent sort of you know, 667 00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:48,720 Speaker 1: not quite retired, but kind of heading in that direction. 668 00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:53,040 Speaker 1: He represents Nick Folk, who just resigned for another season somewhere, 669 00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:56,399 Speaker 1: Adam Vina, Terry Rodney Harris, and I think way back 670 00:36:56,440 --> 00:37:01,640 Speaker 1: when Pete Carroll famously. So, Uh, it's it's Tyler Eberstein 671 00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:04,400 Speaker 1: of the Worcester and Boston Red Sox. To fights it 672 00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:06,160 Speaker 1: to say, grew up in a sports household. 673 00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:10,640 Speaker 2: Okay, so he's going to have been Worcester. What about 674 00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:14,800 Speaker 2: some of the excess starters. The Red Sox have about 675 00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:19,160 Speaker 2: ten legitimate starters, Yeah, other than the five who were 676 00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:24,120 Speaker 2: mentioned in the rotation. What happens to Early, what happens 677 00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:26,920 Speaker 2: to Kuttner, What happens to some of these guys who 678 00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:30,000 Speaker 2: are coming off injuries or or were late season call 679 00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:31,080 Speaker 2: ups and really did well. 680 00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:32,880 Speaker 3: Lest sure, who goes to Worcester? 681 00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:37,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Johann Oviedo most likely, I would say, almost 682 00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:40,040 Speaker 1: certainly is going to be the number five starter to 683 00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:43,800 Speaker 1: begin the year, which means that Peyton, Totley and Connolly 684 00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:47,720 Speaker 1: Early will open the year fronting the Worcester Red Sox 685 00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:52,040 Speaker 1: rotation and be ready and waiting when there inevitably is 686 00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:54,480 Speaker 1: a need in the majors. Right now, there's not a need. 687 00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:57,160 Speaker 1: The Red Sox have stayed remarkably healthy, so the two 688 00:37:57,280 --> 00:38:00,439 Speaker 1: young guys go back to the triple A. To them, 689 00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:03,719 Speaker 1: there's Patrick standerbal a lefty, and Tyler Crawford, who's been 690 00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:05,480 Speaker 1: with the Red Sox for a bunch of years. Of course, 691 00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:10,200 Speaker 1: both missed all of last season with different injuries, and 692 00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:14,160 Speaker 1: this year during spring training have been brought along very 693 00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:16,160 Speaker 1: slowly by the Red Sox, so they're going to open 694 00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:18,840 Speaker 1: the year on the injured list and continue their spring 695 00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:22,719 Speaker 1: training style build up and workouts and whatnot. Kind of 696 00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:23,719 Speaker 1: on their own pace, to be. 697 00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:29,200 Speaker 2: Honest, so they finally have some starting pitching depth. It's 698 00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:31,320 Speaker 2: been a while. It has been a while, Tim Healy, 699 00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:35,920 Speaker 2: love you as a guest. Tell Tyler Uberstein we're going 700 00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:37,719 Speaker 2: to keep our eye on him and maybe he'll make 701 00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:40,160 Speaker 2: it up to the Biggs, to the Bigs this summer. 702 00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:42,719 Speaker 2: Thanks so much, my friend. We will we'll talk again. 703 00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:45,439 Speaker 2: I so enjoy talking baseball, particularly with you. Thank you, 704 00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:46,120 Speaker 2: thanks so much. 705 00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:47,560 Speaker 1: Likewise, thank you. 706 00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:49,080 Speaker 3: All Right, when we. 707 00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:52,920 Speaker 2: Get back, we're going to talk about stealing precious pieces 708 00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:56,640 Speaker 2: of art with Anthony Amory, the director of security at 709 00:38:56,640 --> 00:39:01,120 Speaker 2: the Isabella Stewart Gardner Museum, also known as Missus Jack 710 00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:04,440 Speaker 2: Gardener Missus Jack's Missus Gardener's Palace. 711 00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:06,640 Speaker 3: We'll be back on nights side, right after the nine 712 00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:07,319 Speaker 3: o'clock news