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Speaker 5: now with games in Philadelphia, Tampa, Saint Louis, and San Diego.

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Speaker 1: Joining me now to talk about a whole bunch of stuff.

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Speaker 1: He is Tim ben'z Tim. I have no feel for

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Speaker 1: Well, again, I know, like me, you embraced the show

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Speaker 1: And for that reason, it wouldn't surprise me if it

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't know if they're there yet to go

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Speaker 2: Of needs in free agency. They addressed a lot of gaping.

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Speaker 2: Terms a fourth round guard.

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Speaker 6: All right, It gets your other guard in the third

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Speaker 6: Not only that mark, but you know, just take for instance,

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Speaker 2: Down field, then he's going to go downfield.

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Speaker 6: And look at CD's numbers when McCarthy was his head coach.

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Speaker 1: Well, you mentioned picking a guard, and football wise, I

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Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, and maybe it only impacts it Mark

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Speaker 6: You know, maybe we're over analyzing this and they're not

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Speaker 2: Over you do the month draft.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Tim, if they take a guard, they could take

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Speaker 1: the best guard in history. If they take a guard,

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Speaker 1: half the crowd's gonna grown on national TV.

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Speaker 2: No, no doubt about it. That's gonna be a factor.

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Speaker 6: You're right, And imagine what it would have been to

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Speaker 2: And I do think with.

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Speaker 1: If the Steelers improved as much this offseason as a

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Speaker 6: Well, let me kind of bracket that for a second.

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Speaker 6: When you say as much, what's your interpretation of as much?

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Speaker 2: What do you mean by that? I don't know.

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Speaker 1: But if you thought they improved a lot, you'd assign

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: so they thought they improved that position, I.

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Speaker 2: Get Darius Slay. They didn't because.

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Speaker 6: Pierre played better than they thought he would and would

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Speaker 6: All they did there was replace the guy, all right,

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Speaker 2: I kind of think they stopped the bleeding at corner.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, put him in the slot.

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Speaker 1: I think you're preaching to the choir, tim. I think

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Speaker 6: Yeah, fair enough. Yeah, that's that's kind of what I think.

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Speaker 6: The theory forgetting Brisker is, Okay, you get Brisker and

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Speaker 6: And if they want to move Ramsey around to free

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Speaker 6: for one. And I get that, and that's a sound theory.

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Speaker 6: But again, we kind of thought that's where they were

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Speaker 2: Of what you said before. Have they improved that much?

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Speaker 6: No, because you know, I don't even know how much they've.

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Speaker 2: Improved at quarterbacks. Still, it's the same guy.

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Speaker 6: You're getting a better Rogers because Rogers should be better

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Speaker 2: I mean, they didn't improve so.

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Speaker 6: Much to the point that when I look at free agency,

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Speaker 6: I say, Okay, these picks right here have allowed them

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Speaker 2: No, I absolutely don't think that.

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Speaker 6: And anything else that we're talking about is just different

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Speaker 1: We're talking to Tim Ben's in the trip here on

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Speaker 1: Because because any improvement is better than just standing pat

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Speaker 6: Well, you know, you look at what seventy one wins

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Speaker 6: get it up to eighty one wins, that you're ten

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Speaker 6: better team, and you're still not a playoff team potentially

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Speaker 6: because you needed eighty three to get in.

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Speaker 2: That was a low threshold.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you realistically need eighty five or eighty six.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean like it was a flucushly low win

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Speaker 6: last year, so a low wins total last year. So

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Speaker 6: you've got to be twelve to thirteen, maybe fourteen wins

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Speaker 6: better than what you were a year ago to be

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Speaker 6: on average. I think the on average since they went

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Speaker 6: to the three team format, the wildcard format that they

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Speaker 6: have in place now is eighty five and a half wins.

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Speaker 2: So that's a sizable jump.

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Speaker 6: And like, do those three bats make twelve wins better?

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Speaker 1: Maybe?

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Speaker 2: But you know that's I don't think so, Tim.

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Speaker 1: I think there's too much lefty lefty that could paralyze

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Speaker 1: that lineup. I think Kelly's gonna have to figure out

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Speaker 1: like if Garcia can get at bats, if Mangum can

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Speaker 1: get in bats. I think a lot of this is

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Speaker 1: on Kelly and how well he can make and think

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Speaker 1: outside the box, or should I say think outside the analytics.

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Speaker 6: No, that's a real good point, and I do think

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Speaker 6: this is a year where the spotlight very quickly shines

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Speaker 6: on killing after he's gotten the jobs full time.

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Speaker 2: But I'll retreat back to a point that you may.

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Speaker 6: I'm trying to remember how long ago, maybe three four

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Speaker 6: weeks ago when we were speaking on the podcast about this,

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Speaker 6: but it was a real selling point that you made

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Speaker 6: about how the two most important guys for all the

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Speaker 6: analysis that we've done about Chandler in his first year

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Speaker 6: as a pitcher and all the new acquisitions coming, this

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Speaker 6: is about Reynolds and O'Neil Cruz.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I wrote that in my trip call him today too.

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Speaker 1: They can't suck again, and I think Reynolds will improve.

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure about Cruise. I think Kruz just is

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Speaker 1: what he.

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Speaker 6: Is and we have to sort of start He's at

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Speaker 6: the age now where you have to look at it

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Speaker 6: that way where it's not so much about potential and

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Speaker 6: it's more about what he is. You know, there have

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Speaker 6: been guys that have come through in every sport in

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Speaker 6: this town that have looked like that.

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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, Tim, but we're blinded by his potential in

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Speaker 1: his his dreadlocks and the way he looks into athleticism

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Speaker 1: and when he does hit the ball goes a long way,

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Speaker 1: but he doesn't hit it enough. Well, there's a Dave.

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Speaker 6: Kingman factor to this, Like, you know, at some point

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Speaker 6: Dave Kingman stopped being a guy that was going to

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Speaker 6: be more than just a thirty five home run two

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Speaker 6: under strakeout guy, and that is what he was.

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Speaker 1: And because yeah, except O'Neil Cruz only hit twenty home

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Speaker 1: runs last year.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, the tools blind you into thinking that those twoele don't.

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Speaker 1: Ever disparage Dave Kingman. On my watched him.

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Speaker 6: It's still one of the great rants of all times.

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Speaker 6: What do I think of Kingman's performance? Uh?

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Speaker 2: What do I think of O'Neill Cruise's performance when he

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Speaker 2: ran to the right basically, So that's a start. You know,

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Speaker 2: that's another thing too. I'm kind of joking about.

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Speaker 6: It, but the baseball acumen has to be a part

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Speaker 6: of that equation too with him too, and it's it's still.

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Speaker 1: Lacking at this I'm gonna be one tim, it ain't

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Speaker 1: baseball acumen. He's just a dummy. Uh what about the pirates?

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Speaker 1: Might we be most incorrectly assuming because I think there's

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Speaker 1: so with that going on, don't you?

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Speaker 2: Well? How about this?

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Speaker 6: And this might be too far in the weeds and

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Speaker 6: a little too baseball nerdy, But one thing I do

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Speaker 6: get a little worried about is all those you know,

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Speaker 6: the right handed bats that they've added, you know, especially

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Speaker 6: a Zuna, you know, with with the issues that a

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Speaker 6: lot of right handed hitters have at PNC Park, Like

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Speaker 6: does he have the same impact here that he did

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Speaker 6: in Atlanta?

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Speaker 2: And and will he have other ways?

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Speaker 6: And I'll give you another one too, the back half

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Speaker 6: of the rotation and the bullpen. You know, for as

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Speaker 6: much as bet Nark could be up and down at times,

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Speaker 6: he was still a clear cut hands on that that's

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Speaker 6: your closer.

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Speaker 2: You knew who your closer was. And I don't know

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Speaker 2: if they have that answer.

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Speaker 6: So I would say some combination of all three of

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Speaker 6: those things, that half the rotation, the back half of

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Speaker 6: the bullpen, and then.

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Speaker 2: What Ozona can do here versus what he's done elsewhere.

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Speaker 1: For the Penguin's going to make the playoffs, I would

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Speaker 1: say fifty fIF I know they've gotten a lot of

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Speaker 1: gritty loser points, but that's a point loss nonetheless.

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Speaker 6: Right, And you know, I think a lot of people

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Speaker 6: spent a lot of time dwelling the last couple of days,

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Speaker 6: in the last couple of weeks on well, hey, if

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Speaker 6: you know they get the playoffs, there's no three.

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Speaker 2: On three, there's no shootout. Let's see what they do.

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Speaker 2: And that's fair.

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Speaker 6: They are really good at scoring goals five on five.

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Speaker 2: I think they're fourth best in the NHL five on

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Speaker 2: five and scoring goals. But you know, if you're talking

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Speaker 2: about overtime in.

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Speaker 6: The playoffs in the postseason for the NHL two, you

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Speaker 6: got to worry about the goal prevention. And I think

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Speaker 6: they're nineteenth of the league. There this grueling stretch of

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Speaker 6: a schedule. Everybody looked at that five game stretch when

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Speaker 6: the A ten tournament was at PPG. You came out

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Speaker 6: of the Olympics and you said, wow, they can only survive,

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Speaker 6: that they'll be in good shape, and that there was

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Speaker 6: an easy, low hanging piece of fruit to look at,

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Speaker 6: and I identified, but still Mark, you know, get by Winnipeg, Okay, fine,

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Speaker 6: but then you've got care in Colorado again, Ottawa's won.

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Speaker 2: Five of seven. And then you've got four teams in

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Speaker 2: a row that are currently.

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Speaker 6: In playoff position, like they don't get a break on

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Speaker 6: their schedule until you get the two time defending Stanley

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Speaker 6: Cup champions who happen to be having a terrible year.

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Speaker 6: But you're looking at them and saying, that's the break

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Speaker 6: right there, and I hope we're still afloat by April second.

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Speaker 6: So I mean, I look at it and I say

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Speaker 6: they're probably gonna get in by a whisker because I

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Speaker 6: still think Columbus has to cool off more dramatically than

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Speaker 6: them at some point.

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Speaker 2: That's what I'm holding hope to. Well.

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Speaker 1: I've been saying, Tim, I don't believe in Columbus, I

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Speaker 1: don't believe in the Islanders. I'm not trying to believe

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Speaker 1: in the Penguins.

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Speaker 2: And that's fair. But at the same time, like I

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Speaker 2: saw is it. Tom Giliddy from.

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Speaker 6: NHL dot Com put out a post and it's a

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Speaker 6: pretty good point, Like you look at since I think

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Speaker 6: you said since the New Year, maybe since the new

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Speaker 6: calendar year, or since Christmas.

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Speaker 2: Maybe even if go back that far, whatever.

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Speaker 6: Is his starting point was, it's a large swath of

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Speaker 6: time where the top six teams in the National Hockey

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Speaker 6: League in.

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Speaker 2: Terms of point percentage have all come from the East.

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Speaker 6: So as scattered as the East may be, you're still

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Speaker 6: getting point production. And the difference between the East and

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Speaker 6: the West right now is the top heavy in the

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Speaker 6: West and.

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Speaker 2: Everybody East in the middle.

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Speaker 6: And you thought, if you looked at the East, maybe

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Speaker 6: earlier in the season it was a soft middle, but

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Speaker 6: now maybe it isn't.

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Speaker 2: Like maybe there's just some good teams.

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Speaker 6: In the middle part of the East after you get

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Speaker 6: beyond Carolina on top of the Metro and what was

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Speaker 6: presumptively just Tampa in the Atlantic.

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Speaker 2: But at some point we have to start believing in Buffalo.

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Speaker 2: At some point we have to believe that Columbus is

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Speaker 2: a threat.

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Speaker 6: That you know, the Islanders aren't going anywhere, and that's

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Speaker 6: really what the standings are telling us that it is.

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Speaker 1: Tim. I'm reminded of a great quote from my favorite book,

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Speaker 1: Ball for the Baseball Tell All that Jim Botten wrote

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Speaker 1: Don Wilson, pretty good pitcher for Houston. The afters win

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Speaker 1: the NL West Race in September, and he said, you

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Speaker 1: know what team I can't see. I can't see Cincinnati.

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Speaker 1: They don't have the pitching. You know another team I

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Speaker 1: can't see us?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, well there's a lot of us that goes along

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Speaker 6: with that quote with the Penguins. And well, how about

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Speaker 6: let me ask you this, how much of it is goaltending?

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Speaker 6: I mean, you're still subscribing to your Murrorshaw point, because

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Speaker 6: I was looking at some of the no no, not

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Speaker 6: not no more.

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Speaker 1: Well put it this way. The ship sailed. It doesn't

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Speaker 1: matter if I subscribe to it or not. Skinner and

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Speaker 1: Hill off to the goalies.

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Speaker 2: It's at this point it probably has to be.

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Speaker 6: But I wonder if you went back in time and

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Speaker 6: like so much when when when Murshaw was up Mark,

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Speaker 6: they were playing their worst hockey, they were playing bad

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Speaker 6: HOCKEYEP and I think they looked at Murshav and said,

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Speaker 6: we can't put him behind this because we don't want

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Speaker 6: to hurt his development.

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Speaker 2: We don't want to give him bad habits, we don't want.

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Speaker 6: To ruin him.

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Speaker 1: And the plan was to leave him there all year

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Speaker 1: and they stuck to that, and I get that, Tim.

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Speaker 1: Before we wrap up, one real quick question, because I've

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Speaker 1: been kicking this around for a couple of days. I

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Speaker 1: know Skinner made thirty eight saves and a lot of

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Speaker 1: them great at Carolina, he led in six goals. Good

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Speaker 1: game or bad game for him?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that was a hard one.

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Speaker 6: Your your premise, your concept of that question. I tend

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Speaker 6: to agree with and I want to say bad game.

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Speaker 1: Well, not bad game, but probably the best way to

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Speaker 1: put it out. He didn't lose the game, but he

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Speaker 1: didn't win it either.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, four to five times, i'd agree with where you're

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Speaker 6: going with that. That game against Carolina, they were so

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Speaker 6: bad in the first forty I'm gonna say good game.

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Speaker 2: That even got them to the point where they could

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Speaker 2: get a point.

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Speaker 1: Never mind that, Tim, I'm on Baseball Reference right now.

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Speaker 1: Dalton Wilson was a pretty good pitcher. Hey, great stuff.

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Speaker 1: We'll talk we'll touch on the podcast.

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Speaker 2: You got Mark. Thanks.

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Speaker 1: That's Tim Benz, brought list by Calusy Chevrolet, serving the

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Speaker 1: Pittsburgh area for one hundred and seven years. We got

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Speaker 1: no Ohio's Talking Baseball at the top of the hour,