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Speaker 5: You have a lot going on. I'm thrilled that you're here.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm happy to be here. This is always one

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Speaker 4: of my favorite ones every year where I'm like, please

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Speaker 4: I'm ready. I'm ready. I'm ready. In most years, i'm

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Speaker 4: notions out for a minute and say, Okay, the NFL

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Speaker 4: is doing crazy things. Yeah, so maybe a crazy thing

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Speaker 5: Well, Logan Wilson has gone, yeah, that did happen.

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Speaker 3: He's been traded by the Cowboys to the or by

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Speaker 4: At what level did this come from? This wasn't gonna

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Speaker 4: what's your favorite seventh round pick?

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Speaker 3: But there's my least the round pick. Yeah, that's that's

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Speaker 3: that's fair. You were an oudentate guy at one point.

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Speaker 3: By my calculation, you have done Tuesday with me for

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Speaker 4: He's a closer. It's literally the one still they needed. Yes,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's fun.

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Speaker 4: to catch up. And now then I'm we're just gonna

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Speaker 5: So it's Trade Deadline right four o'clock.

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Speaker 3: With every passing minute, I see you looking more and

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Speaker 4: Duke Tobin was making the Vegals decisions. Smile.

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Speaker 3: Mike Florio, Pro Football Talk says, quote, there's bubbling up

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Speaker 4: Well, first, I didn't know it was Floria season already

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Speaker 3: among people who are in a decision making capacity at

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Speaker 3: pay Court Stadium. Yes, and there's no distinction in what

436
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Speaker 3: Mike is referring to, Like bubbling up is that in Cincinnati,

437
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Speaker 3: their mad Duke Tobin.

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Speaker 4: Yes, yes, the main roll. Yeah, I don't. People aren't

439
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Speaker 4: just gonna come out of this thing unscathed, like obviously,

440
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Speaker 4: but who is that? I mean, there's there's levels to this,

441
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Speaker 4: as they say, I mean, and and I just think that's, uh,

442
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Speaker 4: that's a level that is I mean, it takes unprecedented

443
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Speaker 4: times and here we are, right, So so I'm not

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Speaker 4: I don't want to sit here and rule anything out,

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Speaker 4: but like it that doesn't it certainly didn't land or

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Speaker 4: really register with me as something that I feel like

447
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Speaker 4: makes a whole lot of sense in this in this

448
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Speaker 4: exact way.

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Speaker 3: I have a few questions kind of related to this specifically, Okay,

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Speaker 3: but I do want to get a break and let

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Speaker 3: me let me ask you this though before we pause.

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Speaker 3: So last week we talked about it feels like this

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Speaker 3: is really the first time where Duke Tobin is in

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Speaker 3: the public's crossairs, and you said, you know, this is

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Speaker 3: the first time, and I'm paraphrasing here, this is the

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Speaker 3: first time where it's plausible that maybe they do something,

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Speaker 3: but still so unlikely that if they did it, it would

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Speaker 3: be shocking. Would you frame it the same way after Sunday.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, you can only take so many of those. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: I mean, I still I still think that at at

461
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Speaker 4: the end of the day, you know, there is a

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Speaker 4: a patience and a need to see everything play itself out.

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Speaker 4: And maybe some people say it played out like we

464
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Speaker 4: saw it. You know, this is it. It's it's been,

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Speaker 4: it's played. But there's that's always that's always, even going

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Speaker 4: back to Marvin Lewis here, you know, I feel like

467
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Speaker 4: it's let's see the whole book. Mike in the family

468
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Speaker 4: are let's see the whole book before we judge it,

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Speaker 4: and let's not go in and so doing it now

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Speaker 4: before a lot of these young players that they're clearing

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Speaker 4: the decks for have a chance to show the level

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Speaker 4: of improvement they're looking for, would be again just crazy,

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Speaker 4: out of character. And maybe that's what they I mean,

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Speaker 4: there's a lot of arguments about that's what they need.

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Speaker 4: I think most people would make those right now, but

476
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Speaker 4: I'm trying to speak in the reality of how realistic

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Speaker 4: I think it is. It would be stunning and out

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Speaker 4: of characters still even to me, even after even after.

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Speaker 5: What happens, it's got twenty seven minutes.

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Speaker 4: Counting it down. Where's the ticker? I'm listening. I don't

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Speaker 4: hear it.

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Speaker 5: Terren's working on it.

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Speaker 4: He's working on it. He's trying to find that. They're

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Speaker 4: trying to find the ticker anything on this here internet.

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Speaker 5: Well, yeah, you're right. I don't have a joke. But

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Speaker 5: terrens I'm sure he's working on it.

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Speaker 4: Oh, yeah, he's got it.

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Speaker 4: Who you think won the battle between Duke Tobin and Louannarumo.

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Speaker 3: Mo Hemo, This team is seven to two. I know

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Speaker 3: he gets to coach Sauce Gardner.

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Speaker 4: I'm didn't have to.

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Speaker 5: Move very far.

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Speaker 4: He just keeps getting great players thrown into his laugh.

539
00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:34,000
Speaker 4: He's on it. They keep winning.

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Speaker 3: They don't have to be great defensively. They can do

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Speaker 3: lou Anarumo ben but don't break, which statistically they do.

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Speaker 4: And then everything you want to happen. When you have

543
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Speaker 4: a blow up that leads to you leaving a job

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Speaker 4: or you get fired, you just want the other place

545
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Speaker 4: to be in shambos stress. That's all you want. You

546
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Speaker 4: just want your all your former co workers and friends.

547
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Speaker 4: You want them to be calling you being like, this

548
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Speaker 4: is a disaster. You just want to hear all the

549
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Speaker 4: horror story. And so I just you gotta feel like

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Speaker 4: he just like goes he collects his w cracks open

551
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Speaker 4: a cold on the couch. He's like, let's watch some

552
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Speaker 4: Bengals highlights, right like, and just sits up every Sunday night. Uh,

553
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Speaker 4: and then then waits for the call Chris Ballad to

554
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Speaker 4: tell them that they're giving him sauce Gardner. It's just

555
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Speaker 4: an embarrassment of riches for for lou over there right now.

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Speaker 3: A few more questions about Tobin, okay, and maybe what

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Speaker 3: it would look like if they did move on. We

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Speaker 3: haven't had a de facto general manager search.

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Speaker 4: What would that look like? I mean, well, I think

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Speaker 4: you probably in the meantime, you would probably have one

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Speaker 4: of the three agms would step in, right, You'd have

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Speaker 4: Trey Brown or Steve Orusivik or Mike Potts, they're they're

563
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Speaker 4: there right. Trey has has notably interviewed for GM jobs

564
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Speaker 4: across the league. He'd be familiar, Like if you were

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Speaker 4: doing something like that, you probably would would start there

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Speaker 4: and then open up. I don't know. I mean, we've

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Speaker 4: never and it's so this is the heart, it's so gray.

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Speaker 4: There's so much unknown onto what any of this would

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Speaker 4: look like. And truthfully too, like, you know, is Mike

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Speaker 4: gonna be like we need a new guy, like because

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Speaker 4: there's it's a unique situation there where they like Duke

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Speaker 4: for the fact that they it's a very tough relationship

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Speaker 4: to manage with him and the family and the football

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Speaker 4: aspect and what Mike still does and what he does

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Speaker 4: and his role and all. It's just all of it

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Speaker 4: is really hard to step into and have a feel for.

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Speaker 4: So I I don't know that anybody could sit here

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Speaker 4: and say they would know what that would actually look like,

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Speaker 4: you know, because we haven't ever really seen it.

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Speaker 3: When this possibility has come up, even when it has

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Speaker 3: seemed extraordinarily unrealistic, many have countered with who would want

582
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Speaker 3: that job? Is that a fair way to look at

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Speaker 3: it because of what you just outlined.

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Speaker 4: I don't know. I think a lot of people would

585
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Speaker 4: do you want patients and job security? You know? I

586
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Speaker 4: mean do you want? I mean they have when new

587
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Speaker 4: head coach like Zach Taylor is coming in, they have

588
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Speaker 4: given him rain to do a lot of things that

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Speaker 4: he wanted to do. They've been willing to make changes.

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Speaker 4: They have been a bit adaptable as an organization, specifically

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Speaker 4: comparison to previous times. You have Joe Burrow like it's important. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: I mean, you have the hard stuff here in place

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Speaker 4: in a lot of ways, I don't think. And the

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Speaker 4: biggest problem that many gms in this league face is

595
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Speaker 4: feeling like they have to make moves for their jobs

596
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Speaker 4: and you don't have to do that here. You can

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Speaker 4: play the longer game the same way that Baltimore and

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Speaker 4: Pittsburgh do and and in the success that I think

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Speaker 4: that those two teams and the Bengals have had in

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Speaker 4: this division in comparison to like, you know, when you

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Speaker 4: see the the interchanging that happens with Cleveland or a

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Speaker 4: lot of other places that are unstable across the league.

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Speaker 4: Is part of what would make a job like that

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Speaker 4: one that people would want everybody. Everybody has a challenging

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Speaker 4: ownership situation in some way, Like there's only so many

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Speaker 4: openings that happen where it's like, oh, but the ownership

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Speaker 4: is just clean. It can be no issues there. You're

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Speaker 4: gonna that's that's that's the NFL man. You gotta you

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Speaker 4: got it the same way we used to talk about

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Speaker 4: this with Marvin Lewis and and and the job is

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Speaker 4: as much about managing up as it is managing down.

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Speaker 4: You have to be able to make all sides work

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Speaker 4: and get your vision across, like that's gonna be part

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Speaker 4: of that here, the same as it would be in

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Speaker 4: any market that has an NFL team in America.

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Speaker 3: One more on this and then I will ask about

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Speaker 3: other things. So Florio says heads will roll. You don't

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Speaker 3: disagree with that. So if Duke Tobin's head is not

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Speaker 3: the most likely to roll, whose.

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Speaker 4: Head will be rolling? Well, I mean we know Zach

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Speaker 4: Taylor is on the seat. You have to be in

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Speaker 4: some capacity. I mean we talked about this the moment

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Speaker 4: they let go of a Luannarumo, like you only get

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Speaker 4: to do this once. And so I think that's clear.

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Speaker 4: Even with all the things happening offensively that have been good.

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Speaker 4: You know, he's not gonna to me. We're at the

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Speaker 4: point where you're not judging him for that as much.

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Speaker 4: We've established that you can have good offenses, yes, and

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Speaker 4: you can do it apparently with multiple quarterbacks that both

630
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Speaker 4: times he's been given backup quarterbacks besides Joe Burrow. It's

631
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Speaker 4: been remarkable what they've been able to do offensively. What

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Speaker 4: they're doing right now is a masterclass. But the bottom

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Speaker 4: line is, and you know, I asked about this on

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Speaker 4: Monday specifically because of this is you know, what are

635
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Speaker 4: what are you gonna do to help the defense? And

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Speaker 4: the answer is that's not my specialty, Like I'm here

637
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Speaker 4: to help. And they're building the thing and things that

638
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Speaker 4: that that they find tough and challenging as an offense.

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Speaker 4: At a certain point, as the head coach that this

640
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:22,760
Speaker 4: team has to fix their defense. They have the quarterback,

641
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Speaker 4: like you have the quarterback that can that can make

642
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Speaker 4: your offense go. You you need people that can figure

643
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Speaker 4: out what's going on defensively, and too often, uh, the

644
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Speaker 4: defense just hasn't been able to figure itself out in here.

645
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Speaker 4: And so if if that's the direction that you're gonna

646
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Speaker 4: look at things and say, Okay, let's pair a defensive

647
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Speaker 4: head coach with with Joe Burrow. Then maybe then maybe

648
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Speaker 4: that's you know, you could see that being a direction

649
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Speaker 4: that that you would want to go. That's worked before.

650
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:54,520
Speaker 4: You're thinking Brady Belichick all that type of stuff, right,

651
00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:58,200
Speaker 4: and and you can maybe go forward some in that way.

652
00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:01,600
Speaker 4: But that's that's part of the conversation. That would be

653
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:04,680
Speaker 4: the heads. I mean, this is what you're where you're

654
00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:10,279
Speaker 4: when you reach historical levels, when when every week is

655
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:13,080
Speaker 4: a new set of five or six things, this league

656
00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:17,960
Speaker 4: has not seen triangles the sixty six New York Siety

657
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:22,400
Speaker 4: six Giants. Jay had a stat with like the twenty

658
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:26,080
Speaker 4: one like a team I'd never the Takawanda something's I

659
00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:29,800
Speaker 4: was like, they didn't even have like a forward pass

660
00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:34,399
Speaker 4: at that point, Like when you're when when these are

661
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:36,440
Speaker 4: the comparisons where this is all we can find that

662
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:41,400
Speaker 4: has ever looked like this. Yeah, like everybody of any

663
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:45,919
Speaker 4: importance in the building is under fire. There's there's no doubt.

664
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:48,640
Speaker 4: And that doesn't mean that we know how it's gonna go,

665
00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:51,239
Speaker 4: but yeah, it's it's everybody.

666
00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:55,280
Speaker 3: You wrote after the game about going into the locker

667
00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:58,399
Speaker 3: room and not a lot of defensive guys wanted to talk.

668
00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:01,719
Speaker 3: Some did, and you pointed that out. You reference there

669
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:05,759
Speaker 3: being laughter in certain corners of the locker room. How

670
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:09,120
Speaker 3: sharp of a departure was that on Sunday from other

671
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:12,480
Speaker 3: similar low points with that side of the ball or

672
00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:14,000
Speaker 3: even the other side of the ball since you've been

673
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:16,080
Speaker 3: covering the team.

674
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:21,319
Speaker 4: Uh, A decent amount. I mean, the the the lack

675
00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:26,840
Speaker 4: of fire and the lack of seriousness that you felt

676
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:29,279
Speaker 4: over there. They just the guy, the people that you

677
00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:34,040
Speaker 4: did see or hear from felt sounded beaten down and demoralized.

678
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:37,000
Speaker 4: And then you had a lot of young players who

679
00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:39,680
Speaker 4: just didn't seem to think that they had any real

680
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:43,759
Speaker 4: reason to care about certainly us not they not they

681
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:46,600
Speaker 4: only anything that every time Like, no, this is not

682
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:49,759
Speaker 4: about taking stock, right, But this is about that. It

683
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:53,160
Speaker 4: is about comparing to what it looks like when teams

684
00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:55,680
Speaker 4: do pull out of it and not that right. So

685
00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:59,520
Speaker 4: my my thing is I felt like and I don't know,

686
00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:02,200
Speaker 4: like what with Chase Brown is kind of a separate

687
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:07,520
Speaker 4: story that I I just I wanted to see where

688
00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:11,280
Speaker 4: are the players not just Sunday, during this entire downfall

689
00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:16,440
Speaker 4: of this defense. That sound like Jamar Chase, that sound

690
00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:19,520
Speaker 4: like Chase Brown. I don't care if your emotion comes

691
00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:22,080
Speaker 4: out right or wrong. I want to see it. Yes,

692
00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:25,359
Speaker 4: where is it where? That's what you usually get right

693
00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:28,319
Speaker 4: before it gets to the beaten down, demoralized portion of

694
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:31,760
Speaker 4: the program. You usually see the like dude who wants

695
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:35,880
Speaker 4: everyone to know this ain't me and I hate that

696
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:37,680
Speaker 4: this is where we're at and we got to get

697
00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:41,280
Speaker 4: this and maybe they maybe, Man, these players only meetings

698
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:44,000
Speaker 4: are just just tearing the paint off the wall. I don't,

699
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:47,040
Speaker 4: you know whatever, I don't is there gonna be another one?

700
00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:49,759
Speaker 4: I mean, I feel like you just keep having bye week.

701
00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:52,160
Speaker 4: It was one thing that I that I was looking

702
00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:53,680
Speaker 4: for when I walked in the locker room today and

703
00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:56,520
Speaker 4: you know exactly what it was, punk table, ping pong table.

704
00:36:57,120 --> 00:36:58,960
Speaker 4: I said, no, it was nothing to change the ping

705
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:01,919
Speaker 4: pong table. Maybe next Okay, after the bye week, after

706
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:05,000
Speaker 4: a week of retrospection, they came back and said, we

707
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:07,560
Speaker 4: think we've got it. Ping pong table. Right, Maybe that's

708
00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:10,719
Speaker 4: where they go next to it. I mean, but that's

709
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:13,480
Speaker 4: my point is is I feel like you usually see

710
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:17,160
Speaker 4: the blow up, the emotion, the like fire in the

711
00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:19,560
Speaker 4: form of some kind of weather. It's anger, even if

712
00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:22,799
Speaker 4: it's misplaced, or like guys getting at each other a

713
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:26,680
Speaker 4: little bit more like there just really hasn't been hardly

714
00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:30,520
Speaker 4: any of that over there. It's just felt like a

715
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:35,279
Speaker 4: went wrong again. Yeah, we missed the tackles and we

716
00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:37,439
Speaker 4: just got to keep working at it and we're gonna

717
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:40,640
Speaker 4: get it right, and we're looking for leaders, and it's

718
00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:41,600
Speaker 4: just where's the fire?

719
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:42,080
Speaker 5: Yeah?

720
00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:42,319
Speaker 4: Where?

721
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:42,840
Speaker 5: Where?

722
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:47,000
Speaker 4: Where are seven guys on defense that sound and look

723
00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:50,640
Speaker 4: like Jamar Chase and Chase Brown and some of the

724
00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:55,000
Speaker 4: other people and and you know, it's just it's not

725
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:57,560
Speaker 4: that that has to be the way out, Like there's

726
00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:00,200
Speaker 4: you want to be smarter and more constructive in the

727
00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:03,000
Speaker 4: way that you deal with your problems, but it has

728
00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:06,360
Speaker 4: to start with the true fire and want to be

729
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:10,520
Speaker 4: better and feeling pushed and driven to just not accept

730
00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:13,360
Speaker 4: any of what's happening on your watch as a player,

731
00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:17,960
Speaker 4: and that just where is that where is Like I'm

732
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:22,640
Speaker 4: not right, that just hasn't really existed yet to this point.

733
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:25,600
Speaker 4: You want the defense to be as angry as the

734
00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:26,560
Speaker 4: offense seems to be.

735
00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:30,240
Speaker 3: What I feel bad about, among a lot of things,

736
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:32,960
Speaker 3: is because there's just so much stuff happening here. We

737
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:35,440
Speaker 3: don't have enough time to examine the difference between the

738
00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:38,080
Speaker 3: quarterback ball and the kicking ball.

739
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:41,760
Speaker 4: Oh I got to see them side by side too. Yeah,

740
00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:45,479
Speaker 4: they're like they're from different sports. It's unbelievable, right, how

741
00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:47,480
Speaker 4: different they are. I never would have thought that they

742
00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:49,680
Speaker 4: really were that different. It looks like if you put

743
00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:52,879
Speaker 4: a football next to a rugby ball or whatever. Yeah,

744
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:55,759
Speaker 4: I mean it's they're totally different. They feel different, they

745
00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:58,960
Speaker 4: are shaped different, they're the leather, all of it is

746
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:02,560
Speaker 4: like totally rougher and different. Yeah, it's it's unbelievable.

747
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:05,520
Speaker 5: But the Bengals hosted demonstration for you so they can

748
00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:05,960
Speaker 5: make it.

749
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:07,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, they showed me. They showed me the two side

750
00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 4: by side.

751
00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:13,880
Speaker 3: Why why White cut the long snapper, touch it and

752
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:17,080
Speaker 3: go huh? Does the scoring play call a time out?

753
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:18,879
Speaker 3: Are you allowed to do that? I know they once

754
00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:21,000
Speaker 3: once the offenses on the field, they put the quarterback

755
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:22,560
Speaker 3: ball in the field, they're not gonna swap out the ball,

756
00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:23,920
Speaker 3: but are you allowed to call it out the.

757
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:27,560
Speaker 4: Discretion of the sideline referee? Weather Because they don't get this.

758
00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:30,960
Speaker 4: They don't want to be caught being the ones when

759
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:33,080
Speaker 4: the CA ball has to come in to have to

760
00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:35,280
Speaker 4: toss it and want their like referee to be juggling

761
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:37,400
Speaker 4: it and unable to get it. So they make it

762
00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:41,120
Speaker 4: their discretion whether they have to restart the play clock

763
00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:42,200
Speaker 4: or not. And the last thing they want have to

764
00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:44,239
Speaker 4: do is restart a play clock apparently no matter what.

765
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:46,520
Speaker 4: So that includes like not running out there with the

766
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:48,319
Speaker 4: ball and handing it to them or anything like that.

767
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:50,759
Speaker 4: They just say, Nope, not gonna get the CA ball

768
00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:53,000
Speaker 4: in and they and they rule it off and you

769
00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:55,000
Speaker 4: have to go. You have to go play with it

770
00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:57,560
Speaker 4: and unless you unless you do stop the clock or whatever,

771
00:39:57,600 --> 00:40:02,879
Speaker 4: and like, uh, this happened with this happened with Tennessee. Yeah,

772
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:05,040
Speaker 4: with this big part of Brian callihan situation. They took

773
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:07,120
Speaker 4: a delay and had to kick a sixty two yard

774
00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:10,000
Speaker 4: to get the other ball in there. They're so different now.

775
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:13,439
Speaker 4: The difference is way bigger this year than ever has been.

776
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:15,960
Speaker 4: But I'm like, okay, So the referees don't want to

777
00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:18,160
Speaker 4: look dumb, so they make the kicker look dumb right

778
00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:21,359
Speaker 4: insteady like, you know, way more the coach look dumb

779
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:23,279
Speaker 4: for having the offense on the field on fourth and

780
00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:25,319
Speaker 4: thirteen and then oh you know what, maybe we want

781
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:28,000
Speaker 4: to kick here and that that whole thing was a mess. Yeah,

782
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:30,400
Speaker 4: it was an absolute mess, right, but the bottom line

783
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:33,000
Speaker 4: is like this should not be about this also should

784
00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:36,359
Speaker 4: not be about restarting the play clock, like look, get

785
00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:38,799
Speaker 4: the get the right ball is yes, you know, and

786
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:41,080
Speaker 4: then to me, can you just have can can will

787
00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:43,480
Speaker 4: Wagner have the kick caball under his arm at all

788
00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:45,319
Speaker 4: times and be able to go run out there and

789
00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:46,240
Speaker 4: hand it to the official.

790
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:50,319
Speaker 3: He's that should the long you're on the field for

791
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:53,000
Speaker 3: this one play. You have the ball and if you

792
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:55,920
Speaker 3: can't bring the proper ball out then your team suffers

793
00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:56,480
Speaker 3: because of it.

794
00:40:56,520 --> 00:40:58,879
Speaker 5: You will handle the CA ball. Yes, we solve this.

795
00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:00,640
Speaker 4: The job job by us.

796
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:02,040
Speaker 3: Wait again, but we're like out of time, But you

797
00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:03,960
Speaker 3: wanted to say something about that, Quinna Williamstrang.

798
00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:06,680
Speaker 4: That's what I would have done if I were the Bengals. Yeah,

799
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:10,279
Speaker 4: I would have traded Trey Hendrickson. Use the compensation you

800
00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:13,160
Speaker 4: get back from trading Trey Hendrickson to help fuel a

801
00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:15,600
Speaker 4: deal for a real player who's going to be here

802
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:18,279
Speaker 4: for multiple years going forward, and help fix your pass

803
00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:21,600
Speaker 4: rush right now and for essentially the same amount of

804
00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:23,920
Speaker 4: money that you already have. Trey Hendrickson, Like, if you're

805
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:26,279
Speaker 4: paying him right now, it could help you know you

806
00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:28,399
Speaker 4: you have that money available if you ever have done

807
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:30,719
Speaker 4: an extension with him at one point, can you be

808
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:38,160
Speaker 4: the de facto GM. I'll apply. We still come here

809
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:42,680
Speaker 4: on Tuesdays, I'll be I'll be so accessible. I'm gonna

810
00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:44,560
Speaker 4: be at the bye week. Then forget the bye weekend.

811
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:47,279
Speaker 4: After the season, every game, I'm here every Tuesday day

812
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:50,600
Speaker 4: from three to four. Yeah, that's it. It's it's GM Tuesdays.

813
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:53,719
Speaker 4: Your bosses will love GM. Yes, all right.

814
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:57,560
Speaker 3: Tonight seven thirty special Live Growler podcast, Paul and Jay

815
00:41:57,640 --> 00:42:01,440
Speaker 3: talking about everything swirling around the team, the Logan Wilson trade,

816
00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:04,320
Speaker 3: a trade that may come in the next six minutes.

817
00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:08,480
Speaker 4: Bubbling general, bubbling, general, bubbling. Yeah, we guys have any

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00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:11,520
Speaker 4: bubbling with you? We might, we might We need it

819
00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:14,719
Speaker 4: this season at this point I've never needed needed bubbles

820
00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:17,920
Speaker 4: in good by week for the bye weekn Yes, I

821
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:18,719
Speaker 4: have right now? All right?

822
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:21,600
Speaker 3: Check that out tonight seven thirty YouTube and where you

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Speaker 3: get your podcasts and uh Repauldeathletic dot com.

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00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:27,120
Speaker 5: We're at Oakley Greens. Paul, thank you so much.

825
00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:27,680
Speaker 4: Pleasure.

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Speaker 3: I'm here at all five thirty. We've got a lot

827
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:33,759
Speaker 3: of Bengal stuff to get to. FC Cincinnati is getting

828
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:36,960
Speaker 3: set for Saturday. Sasha question from MLS's a past. Apple

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Speaker 3: TV is going to join us in just about ten

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Speaker 2: Enter it now ESPN fifteen thirty.

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Speaker 3: No, it's five minutes after four o'clock. This is ESPN

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Speaker 3: fifteen thirty. Opolegger, thank you so much for listening today.

845
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:35,600
Speaker 3: There is a lot going on here at Oakley Greens

846
00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:40,280
Speaker 3: by the way, awesome place on Saturday evening to watch

847
00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:46,399
Speaker 3: FC Cincinnati versus Columbus Game three, the final game. FC

848
00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:50,799
Speaker 3: Cincinnati could not close out Columbus in Game two on

849
00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:55,120
Speaker 3: Sunday night, so pivotal decisive Game three six o'clock is

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00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:58,120
Speaker 3: your kick. You can watch it here on MLS Season

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Speaker 3: Pass on Apple TV, watch it at home on MLS

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00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:04,680
Speaker 3: Season Pass on Apple TV. And what a great Saturday

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00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:08,560
Speaker 3: of MLS soccer. You're gonna have FC Cincinnati and Columbus

854
00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:11,279
Speaker 3: and if the Orange and Blue win, they're gonna take

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00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:13,799
Speaker 3: on either Miami or Nashville. That series has gone to

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00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:17,680
Speaker 3: a Game three that immediately follows the Hell is Real tilt.

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00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:20,439
Speaker 3: So MLS Season Pass is gonna be very busy Apple TV.

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Speaker 3: The Great Sasha question kind enough to join us to

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00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:24,239
Speaker 3: talk about the series.

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00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:25,120
Speaker 4: Sasha, it's good to have you.

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00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:25,560
Speaker 5: How are you?

862
00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:27,359
Speaker 6: And I'm good?

863
00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:28,120
Speaker 4: How you guys doing?

864
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:29,440
Speaker 5: We are well?

865
00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:34,480
Speaker 3: So FC Cincinnati kind of came on glued on Sunday,

866
00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:37,040
Speaker 3: and I think if that's a game in June, you

867
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Speaker 3: can do what Pat Noonan said and just kind of

868
00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:42,360
Speaker 3: forget it right, burn the tape how much more concerning

869
00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:44,800
Speaker 3: was that performance given the stakes of the game.

870
00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:50,239
Speaker 9: Yeah, it was concerning. I think that Columbus came out

871
00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:52,640
Speaker 9: and played the game like it could be the last

872
00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:55,600
Speaker 9: game of their season, and they fought hard and Cincinnati

873
00:44:55,640 --> 00:44:58,759
Speaker 9: didn't match that intensity whatsoever, and so they were sent,

874
00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:03,839
Speaker 9: you know, they were sent, you know, to the showers,

875
00:45:04,239 --> 00:45:06,000
Speaker 9: I think, with a disgusted.

876
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:07,239
Speaker 10: Taste in their mouth after the game.

877
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Speaker 9: And I do kind of agree with Pat Noonan that

878
00:45:10,120 --> 00:45:12,200
Speaker 9: you just burn the tape and you say, hey, guys.

879
00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:13,000
Speaker 6: Listen to or die time.

880
00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:15,200
Speaker 9: Now, the mentality has got to be better. But also

881
00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:17,440
Speaker 9: if you just look up and down the pitch, I

882
00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:19,839
Speaker 9: don't think anybody on Cincinnati can say that they gave

883
00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:21,839
Speaker 9: everything they had in that game and that they played

884
00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:23,040
Speaker 9: up to their usual level.

885
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Speaker 11: Yeah.

886
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:25,640
Speaker 4: I guess that was my takeaway, right.

887
00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:30,320
Speaker 3: Columbus played desperate FC Cincinnati the exact opposite of desperate, which,

888
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:32,640
Speaker 3: like I get it, they had the breathing room of

889
00:45:32,680 --> 00:45:34,800
Speaker 3: having a one game to none lead, But this.

890
00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:36,160
Speaker 5: Is the playoffs, it's a rival.

891
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:39,800
Speaker 3: This trip between these two teams is often not tilted

892
00:45:40,040 --> 00:45:44,759
Speaker 3: in FC Cincinnati's direction. In games like this, I walked

893
00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:47,160
Speaker 3: away disappointed. From just how it looked. If you compare

894
00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:48,600
Speaker 3: the two teams on Sunday.

895
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:54,240
Speaker 9: Well, I think every FC Cincinnati fan should be pretty

896
00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:56,640
Speaker 9: upset and pretty disgusted with the effort.

897
00:45:56,680 --> 00:45:56,800
Speaker 4: You know.

898
00:45:56,880 --> 00:45:59,080
Speaker 9: Obviously, I think when they come back home and play

899
00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:01,040
Speaker 9: at TQL State and the fans are going to be

900
00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:03,200
Speaker 9: behind the team and there they're going to be that

901
00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:05,000
Speaker 9: twelfth man. They're going to be loud, they're going to

902
00:46:05,080 --> 00:46:07,640
Speaker 9: be supportive, and I think the Cincinnati players will thrive

903
00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:10,000
Speaker 9: off of that. But there were just a lot of

904
00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:12,839
Speaker 9: performances up and down the starting eleven that you can

905
00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:16,120
Speaker 9: just say that's nowhere near good enough in a game

906
00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:19,520
Speaker 9: where you can eliminate your biggest opponent, your biggest rival

907
00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:22,919
Speaker 9: in State Darby, and it just was not good enough

908
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:23,319
Speaker 9: at all.

909
00:46:23,719 --> 00:46:26,719
Speaker 3: And it was glaring to me because I thought in

910
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:29,799
Speaker 3: Game one, while it was just a one goal game,

911
00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:32,400
Speaker 3: they were in control. You know, Columbus didn't possess the

912
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:35,239
Speaker 3: ball as often as they do. FC Cincinnati didn't feel

913
00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:38,200
Speaker 3: like it was helter skelter those final twenty twenty five

914
00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:40,960
Speaker 3: minutes once they took the lead, And so the performance

915
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:43,520
Speaker 3: on Sunday was sobering on a number of levels. I

916
00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:46,440
Speaker 3: guess the comparison to Game one being one of them. Tactically,

917
00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:48,600
Speaker 3: is there an adjustment you'd like to see Pat noon

918
00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:48,960
Speaker 3: to make.

919
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:53,160
Speaker 9: No, I don't think it's tactical. I think it's gonna

920
00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:56,400
Speaker 9: end up being personnel decisions for him. Obviously, Kubo is

921
00:46:56,440 --> 00:46:59,160
Speaker 9: now suspended, So who plays on the left? You know,

922
00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:01,640
Speaker 9: does he go with Angle, who's a little bit more safe,

923
00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:03,640
Speaker 9: or does he go with Orishano, who's a little bit

924
00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:07,000
Speaker 9: more attacking and gives you a little bit more talent

925
00:47:07,080 --> 00:47:09,600
Speaker 9: on the field. Alvis Powell started in that game. I

926
00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:11,600
Speaker 9: don't think we see him start again. He was not

927
00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:14,879
Speaker 9: very good. So if Hagland is healthy, I would put

928
00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:17,239
Speaker 9: him straight back into the lineup. Otherwise then he's got

929
00:47:17,239 --> 00:47:19,320
Speaker 9: another decision to make. Us to who plays as his

930
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:24,080
Speaker 9: third center back. If Wobado is healthy and you think

931
00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:26,400
Speaker 9: you can get seventy minutes out of it, does he

932
00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:28,840
Speaker 9: go back into the lineup. So Pat Newton's got some

933
00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:31,680
Speaker 9: big decisions to make personnel lies. But tactically no, I

934
00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:33,719
Speaker 9: think in Game one they played very good. They were

935
00:47:33,719 --> 00:47:36,200
Speaker 9: totally in control. Like you said, they probably should have

936
00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:38,440
Speaker 9: scored two or three more goals in that game. But

937
00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:40,320
Speaker 9: they never really seemed threatened.

938
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Speaker 5: The East.

939
00:47:42,680 --> 00:47:45,040
Speaker 3: We have three series coming down to a game three,

940
00:47:45,080 --> 00:47:49,000
Speaker 3: beyond Philadelphia closing out Chicago into how do you handicap

941
00:47:49,120 --> 00:47:51,640
Speaker 3: the remaining two series in the East beyond FC Cincinnati

942
00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:52,680
Speaker 3: and Columbus.

943
00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:55,040
Speaker 6: So Inter Miami.

944
00:47:55,160 --> 00:47:57,520
Speaker 9: I thought going into this series against Nashville they would

945
00:47:57,560 --> 00:48:00,439
Speaker 9: wipe the floor with them. But then Nashville played very

946
00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:03,120
Speaker 9: good in Game two, also played with a great mentality,

947
00:48:03,160 --> 00:48:05,320
Speaker 9: a bunch of fire playing at home, you know, behind

948
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:07,560
Speaker 9: their home fans, and they got themselves back into it.

949
00:48:07,600 --> 00:48:09,799
Speaker 9: So I know now going into Game three, I think

950
00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:12,240
Speaker 9: Miami is going to have some doubt creeping into their minds.

951
00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:14,319
Speaker 9: They're going to think back to last season when they

952
00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:16,880
Speaker 9: got eliminated by Atlanta in this same round in a

953
00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:19,120
Speaker 9: big upset, So that one's going to be close, But

954
00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:21,600
Speaker 9: I do think that Inter Miami is going to prevail.

955
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:24,279
Speaker 9: Then we've got Charlotte against New York City, which is

956
00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:26,880
Speaker 9: a tough one to handicap because this game is the

957
00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:28,120
Speaker 9: series has been so tight.

958
00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:29,760
Speaker 6: They've played one hundred and eighty minutes.

959
00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:30,479
Speaker 4: And scored one goal.

960
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:34,000
Speaker 9: It may come down to just a difference maker, and

961
00:48:34,040 --> 00:48:37,600
Speaker 9: it's hard to bet against Charlotte FC at home this season.

962
00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:40,440
Speaker 9: They've been so good now that Wilfrid Zaha is back,

963
00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:41,840
Speaker 9: I give the edge to Charlotte.

964
00:48:42,040 --> 00:48:46,120
Speaker 3: You've got three game threes on Saturday, a game three

965
00:48:46,320 --> 00:48:49,160
Speaker 3: on Friday, another one on Sunday. It's going to be

966
00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:52,640
Speaker 3: an extraordinarily exciting weekend. Certainly a lot of fun down

967
00:48:52,640 --> 00:48:56,400
Speaker 3: at TQL Stadium. FC Cincinnati and Columbus. That game starts

968
00:48:56,440 --> 00:48:59,719
Speaker 3: at six o'clock. All the playoff coverage all weekend long

969
00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:03,720
Speaker 3: LS season pass, Apple TV. Sasha, we appreciate the time, man, Thanks.

970
00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:05,719
Speaker 4: So much, Thanks so much.

971
00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:06,520
Speaker 9: Talk to you guys soon.

972
00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:07,319
Speaker 5: You got it.

973
00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:10,239
Speaker 3: And you know for FC Cincinnati and Columbus kind of

974
00:49:10,280 --> 00:49:13,160
Speaker 3: takes center stage here in Cincinnati. The Bengals don't play,

975
00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:16,600
Speaker 3: Bearcats don't play. I think the weather for Saturday should

976
00:49:16,600 --> 00:49:20,400
Speaker 3: be pretty good. Six o'clock game, massive party on the

977
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:21,480
Speaker 3: West end of Cincinnati.

978
00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:24,760
Speaker 5: If the Orange and Blue prevail, not so much. I guess.

979
00:49:25,160 --> 00:49:26,239
Speaker 5: If Columbus gets the.

980
00:49:26,200 --> 00:49:29,120
Speaker 3: Win six o'clock on a Saturday, you can listen to

981
00:49:29,160 --> 00:49:32,839
Speaker 3: that match on Fox Sports thirteen sixty. We are at

982
00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:35,759
Speaker 3: Oakley Greens where you can watch that game, where you

983
00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:37,879
Speaker 3: could also watch your favorite college basketball team.

984
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:39,360
Speaker 5: You know, UK plays tonight.

985
00:49:40,120 --> 00:49:43,040
Speaker 3: Last night we had Cincinnati, we had Xavier, we had NKU,

986
00:49:43,080 --> 00:49:45,040
Speaker 3: we had Dayton, we had Miami play.

987
00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:47,279
Speaker 5: Last night, Ohio.

988
00:49:46,920 --> 00:49:49,279
Speaker 3: State played a game where the two teams combined for

989
00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:51,919
Speaker 3: two hundred and thirteen points. Go watch your favorite college

990
00:49:51,960 --> 00:49:54,440
Speaker 3: basketball team here at Oakley Greens. We talk often about

991
00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:57,160
Speaker 3: like you could post up and watch football here. You

992
00:49:57,239 --> 00:50:00,760
Speaker 3: can a full NFL slate on Sunday minus the Bengals,

993
00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:03,040
Speaker 3: all the college football games. But it's a great place

994
00:50:03,040 --> 00:50:06,640
Speaker 3: to watch college hoops all season long, indoors or out.

995
00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:09,960
Speaker 3: By the way, I have never seen people work harder

996
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:13,560
Speaker 3: to put up holiday lights, like I might hire these

997
00:50:13,640 --> 00:50:17,840
Speaker 3: dudes to like do my house because I like having

998
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Speaker 3: holiday lights up. I don't like putting them up right.

999
00:50:23,640 --> 00:50:26,680
Speaker 3: Number one, everybody in my neighborhood always has an opinion.

1000
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:29,920
Speaker 5: You know, I have a white lines. They didn't get

1001
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Speaker 5: any blue or red? Is that all you got?

1002
00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:34,160
Speaker 3: I just want to hire these dudes to put up

1003
00:50:34,160 --> 00:50:36,400
Speaker 3: my lights. See if I can contract them out. They

1004
00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:38,879
Speaker 3: are putting up holiday lights also while we are here,

1005
00:50:38,920 --> 00:50:42,400
Speaker 3: and now we announced this yesterday. We're excited. This is

1006
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1007
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1009
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1011
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1012
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1013
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1014
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1015
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Speaker 3: an area rug I'm a big area rug guy. And

1016
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1017
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1018
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1019
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1020
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1021
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1022
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1023
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Speaker 5: And you're good.

1024
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Speaker 3: Or you can come to one of our live broadcasts

1025
00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:36,600
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1026
00:51:36,680 --> 00:51:38,640
Speaker 3: up to the QR code. I just show my mom

1027
00:51:38,680 --> 00:51:41,200
Speaker 3: over the weekend, had to do a QR code as

1028
00:51:41,239 --> 00:51:43,279
Speaker 3: in Salt Lake City. My mom lives pretty close to

1029
00:51:43,320 --> 00:51:45,520
Speaker 3: Salt Lake City. And we went to a restaurant where

1030
00:51:45,520 --> 00:51:48,080
Speaker 3: the menu was a QR code, no idea, So I

1031
00:51:48,080 --> 00:51:50,480
Speaker 3: had to show her So this would not maybe be

1032
00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:54,359
Speaker 3: ideal for my mom. Plus he's not eligible. But scan

1033
00:51:54,520 --> 00:51:56,600
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1034
00:51:56,600 --> 00:51:58,600
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1035
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1036
00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:05,160
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1037
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Speaker 3: beat that. And again, like think about it. You can

1038
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Speaker 3: redo like your entire living room or your basement, your

1039
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1040
00:52:13,239 --> 00:52:16,719
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1041
00:52:16,760 --> 00:52:19,400
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1042
00:52:19,520 --> 00:52:23,200
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1043
00:52:23,360 --> 00:52:26,360
Speaker 3: Furniture for hooking us up with the Ultimate fan Cave

1044
00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:30,719
Speaker 3: giveaway fourteen minutes after four o'clock. That was a painful

1045
00:52:30,760 --> 00:52:33,600
Speaker 3: twenty minutes, by the way, showing not even twenty maybe five,

1046
00:52:34,160 --> 00:52:39,440
Speaker 3: showing my mom how a QR code works, Like I mean,

1047
00:52:39,520 --> 00:52:41,719
Speaker 3: you know, she's asking, can I get a paper menu? Like, no,

1048
00:52:41,800 --> 00:52:44,000
Speaker 3: we don't have paper menus. It's on your phone. I

1049
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:47,200
Speaker 3: don't know how to do that, like you literally your camera,

1050
00:52:47,560 --> 00:52:52,840
Speaker 3: hold it click, you're there, just just a comical display

1051
00:52:52,840 --> 00:52:57,440
Speaker 3: of trying to think of the right word here age,

1052
00:52:57,680 --> 00:53:00,440
Speaker 3: we'll call it age. It is a quarter after four.

1053
00:53:00,600 --> 00:53:04,800
Speaker 3: NFL trade deadline is coming gone and unless there is

1054
00:53:04,840 --> 00:53:10,560
Speaker 3: something breaking late, Trey Hendrickson is a Bengal, and so

1055
00:53:10,680 --> 00:53:12,960
Speaker 3: or a whole lot of the other players not name

1056
00:53:13,040 --> 00:53:15,880
Speaker 3: Logan Wilson. Logan Wilson's been traded. Chances are you know

1057
00:53:15,960 --> 00:53:19,680
Speaker 3: that Trey hend Logan Wilson's been traded. Trey Hendrickson, to

1058
00:53:19,680 --> 00:53:22,000
Speaker 3: the best of our knowledge, has not. So status quo

1059
00:53:22,120 --> 00:53:25,160
Speaker 3: remains for everybody but Logan Wilson. Let's talk about the

1060
00:53:25,160 --> 00:53:26,960
Speaker 3: guy that we are probably not going to hear from

1061
00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:30,440
Speaker 3: this week, but we should. Next on ESPN fifteen.

1062
00:53:30,239 --> 00:53:36,040
Speaker 2: Thirty, since this is Football in the NATTI, brought to

1063
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Speaker 2: you by Modern Office Methods, on ESPN fifteen thirty, the

1064
00:53:41,360 --> 00:53:45,640
Speaker 2: official home of the Cincinnati Bengals.

1065
00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:48,000
Speaker 3: Twenty eight minutes after four o'clock. This is ESPN fifteen thirty,

1066
00:53:48,000 --> 00:53:52,360
Speaker 3: Am Bollwegger. We're broadcasting today from Oakley Greens which is awesome.

1067
00:53:52,719 --> 00:53:56,319
Speaker 3: It's awesome that we're here Oakley Greens is awesome. Bob

1068
00:53:56,360 --> 00:53:58,440
Speaker 3: from Bowling Green is awesome. We're gonna talk with him

1069
00:53:58,440 --> 00:54:01,880
Speaker 3: in just a second, just a quick again. The NFL

1070
00:54:01,960 --> 00:54:05,440
Speaker 3: trade deadline is coming gone. Logan Wilson traded this morning

1071
00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:07,200
Speaker 3: to the Dallas Cowboys, who played just.

1072
00:54:07,600 --> 00:54:09,120
Speaker 4: Last night on Monday Night Football.

1073
00:54:09,160 --> 00:54:12,319
Speaker 3: Sauce Gardner has been sent by the Jets to the

1074
00:54:12,320 --> 00:54:14,840
Speaker 3: Indianapolis Colts in exchange for a couple of first rounders,

1075
00:54:14,840 --> 00:54:17,239
Speaker 3: which is an interesting transaction.

1076
00:54:18,280 --> 00:54:19,280
Speaker 5: Then there's the story.

1077
00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:23,480
Speaker 3: Mike Florio said this on Pro Football Talk that there's

1078
00:54:23,560 --> 00:54:27,480
Speaker 3: bubbling around the Bengals that has him wondering if Duke

1079
00:54:27,520 --> 00:54:31,600
Speaker 3: Tobin is going to be employed much longer, and he

1080
00:54:31,680 --> 00:54:37,040
Speaker 3: says heads are going to roll in Cincinnati. I'm ready

1081
00:54:37,040 --> 00:54:40,200
Speaker 3: for a fresh start, and I speak, I'm a fan.

1082
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Speaker 3: I'm ready for a fresh start. I don't love using

1083
00:54:46,280 --> 00:54:49,120
Speaker 3: a public forum like this to talk about how people

1084
00:54:49,160 --> 00:54:52,600
Speaker 3: should lose their job. Among all the things in my job,

1085
00:54:52,640 --> 00:54:56,080
Speaker 3: which is the best, ever, the only thing I really

1086
00:54:56,120 --> 00:54:59,720
Speaker 3: don't like doing is saying that somebody should be fired

1087
00:54:59,719 --> 00:55:02,799
Speaker 3: because I would like it, and let's like that. But

1088
00:55:03,600 --> 00:55:05,759
Speaker 3: I'm just ready for a fresh start, and I think

1089
00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:09,840
Speaker 3: it's there are times in a in a franchisees evolution

1090
00:55:09,960 --> 00:55:13,719
Speaker 3: where it just it feels like it's best to hit

1091
00:55:13,760 --> 00:55:18,160
Speaker 3: the reset button and not do it to punish anybody,

1092
00:55:18,320 --> 00:55:22,200
Speaker 3: not do it for any vindictive reason, just because what

1093
00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:24,919
Speaker 3: you're doing isn't working and it just might be time

1094
00:55:24,960 --> 00:55:27,000
Speaker 3: for somebody else to give it a shot. My guess

1095
00:55:27,040 --> 00:55:29,120
Speaker 3: is Duke Tobin's going to be employed by the Bengals

1096
00:55:29,320 --> 00:55:31,200
Speaker 3: at the end of the season. We'll see what that

1097
00:55:31,280 --> 00:55:34,960
Speaker 3: might mean for Zach Taylor. But this, when it comes

1098
00:55:35,000 --> 00:55:41,879
Speaker 3: to player acquisition and roster construction isn't working. Does Duke

1099
00:55:41,920 --> 00:55:46,399
Speaker 3: Tobin have things that work against him because of how

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00:55:46,440 --> 00:55:49,560
Speaker 3: the Bengals just historically have done things, or how the

1101
00:55:49,560 --> 00:55:53,759
Speaker 3: franchise is structured, or how they maybe don't have the

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00:55:54,760 --> 00:55:58,600
Speaker 3: human resources so to speak, that other franchises have, of course,

1103
00:55:59,480 --> 00:56:03,440
Speaker 3: but much of that might not change. If you're Duke Tobin.

1104
00:56:03,520 --> 00:56:06,440
Speaker 3: You have a job with a certain responsibility to get

1105
00:56:06,520 --> 00:56:08,920
Speaker 3: the job done within those parameters, and if you can't,

1106
00:56:09,400 --> 00:56:11,000
Speaker 3: then I think you have to give somebody else. This

1107
00:56:11,040 --> 00:56:14,400
Speaker 3: isn't about punishing. I think sometimes in our business, and

1108
00:56:14,440 --> 00:56:18,120
Speaker 3: I think sometimes as fans, we just we want bloodlust,

1109
00:56:18,239 --> 00:56:21,680
Speaker 3: like somebody's got to pay for when something goes poorly.

1110
00:56:22,680 --> 00:56:26,560
Speaker 3: I am completely uninterested in that. I'm interested in the

1111
00:56:26,560 --> 00:56:30,400
Speaker 3: Cincinnati Bengals winning a championship while they still have a

1112
00:56:30,520 --> 00:56:34,440
Speaker 3: dude at the most important position. I'm interested in watching

1113
00:56:34,480 --> 00:56:39,640
Speaker 3: them not waste what they have. And I just I

1114
00:56:39,719 --> 00:56:42,320
Speaker 3: have zero faith in the person in charge of the

1115
00:56:42,400 --> 00:56:45,920
Speaker 3: roster being able to get that done. If he's the

1116
00:56:45,960 --> 00:56:48,920
Speaker 3: guy next offseason, I certainly hope he does a hell

1117
00:56:48,920 --> 00:56:51,759
Speaker 3: of a job with the draft, with free agency, with

1118
00:56:52,480 --> 00:56:55,920
Speaker 3: roster construction. I just don't know how you could look

1119
00:56:55,960 --> 00:56:57,720
Speaker 3: at the job that he has done in the draft

1120
00:56:58,120 --> 00:57:00,760
Speaker 3: and the way the team has performed with his roster

1121
00:57:00,840 --> 00:57:04,320
Speaker 3: over the last couple of years and legitimately feel good

1122
00:57:04,680 --> 00:57:07,359
Speaker 3: about the direction of the Bengals are going in. If

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00:57:07,640 --> 00:57:10,960
Speaker 3: status quo in the front office remains, that's it. Twenty

1124
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Speaker 3: three minutes after four o'clock. Uh five three, fifteen thirty

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Speaker 3: is our phone number. We are actually guest free until.

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Speaker 5: Five twenty today.

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Speaker 3: We got time drewby right now, Bob and Bowling Green,

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Speaker 3: thanks for hanging on. You're on ESPN fifteen thirty.

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Speaker 6: Hey Mom, how are you well?

1130
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Speaker 5: How about yourself?

1131
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Speaker 11: Doing good? Doing good?

1132
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Speaker 3: Hey?

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00:57:32,600 --> 00:57:35,200
Speaker 11: I watched you thieve game last night, and speaking of

1134
00:57:35,320 --> 00:57:38,760
Speaker 11: roster construction, I really like what they've done. The The

1135
00:57:38,840 --> 00:57:41,520
Speaker 11: only thing that kind of messed me up last night,

1136
00:57:41,560 --> 00:57:45,560
Speaker 11: mo Is I was watching the game and there was

1137
00:57:45,560 --> 00:57:49,760
Speaker 11: a dada, a day day and a and a bapa,

1138
00:57:49,880 --> 00:57:52,960
Speaker 11: and I thought, why don't we get Jelly Jones and

1139
00:57:53,040 --> 00:57:56,320
Speaker 11: Tuffy Kennedy to show up and we could have a

1140
00:57:56,440 --> 00:57:58,320
Speaker 11: version of Sestameate Street or something.

1141
00:57:58,560 --> 00:57:58,720
Speaker 7: You know.

1142
00:57:58,800 --> 00:58:03,520
Speaker 3: It was at one point Dotta fouled Baba, and we

1143
00:58:03,600 --> 00:58:08,960
Speaker 3: pointed that out in the broadcast last night. Yes, very

1144
00:58:09,000 --> 00:58:13,000
Speaker 3: international flavor, very international flavor to the Bearcats. I thought

1145
00:58:13,000 --> 00:58:15,640
Speaker 3: the good outweighed the bad.

1146
00:58:15,720 --> 00:58:16,480
Speaker 5: I didn't love.

1147
00:58:16,840 --> 00:58:19,160
Speaker 3: I didn't love how Western Carolina held its own on

1148
00:58:19,200 --> 00:58:22,200
Speaker 3: the glass. I think they had fourteen offensive rebounds. You know,

1149
00:58:22,280 --> 00:58:25,160
Speaker 3: you recognize at the pace that Wes wants his team

1150
00:58:25,200 --> 00:58:27,680
Speaker 3: to play, you're gonna have to put up with some slop.

1151
00:58:27,720 --> 00:58:31,880
Speaker 3: But the fifteen turnovers I thought were a little bit

1152
00:58:31,960 --> 00:58:34,800
Speaker 3: much because it didn't feel like Western Carolina really forced

1153
00:58:34,840 --> 00:58:38,480
Speaker 3: many of those turnovers. But Sean Abayah was certainly impressive,

1154
00:58:38,760 --> 00:58:43,640
Speaker 3: Boba Miller was certainly impressive. At one point, Western Carolina

1155
00:58:43,720 --> 00:58:47,400
Speaker 3: was trying to initiate its offense, and they had Boba

1156
00:58:47,440 --> 00:58:51,560
Speaker 3: Miller at six foot eleven guarding the ball, and Western

1157
00:58:51,600 --> 00:58:53,960
Speaker 3: Carolina was trying to set a ball screen for him,

1158
00:58:53,960 --> 00:58:58,200
Speaker 3: and had they switched seven foot two, Mustafa Chom was

1159
00:58:58,280 --> 00:59:00,840
Speaker 3: going to pick up the ball handler. That's not the

1160
00:59:00,880 --> 00:59:03,480
Speaker 3: sort of scene, the sort of thing we've seen Bearcat

1161
00:59:03,520 --> 00:59:05,880
Speaker 3: Biggs be able to do in a very long time.

1162
00:59:07,040 --> 00:59:08,440
Speaker 6: Oh, that's for sure.

1163
00:59:08,640 --> 00:59:12,320
Speaker 11: And actually somebody who's able to take the ball five

1164
00:59:12,360 --> 00:59:14,240
Speaker 11: figs from the basket and score.

1165
00:59:15,480 --> 00:59:17,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, somebody who's been able to take the ball five

1166
00:59:17,480 --> 00:59:19,520
Speaker 3: feet from the basket. And I think the thing that

1167
00:59:19,600 --> 00:59:22,400
Speaker 3: was most impressive to me watching Bob Bob Miller especially

1168
00:59:22,600 --> 00:59:25,680
Speaker 3: was somebody because I thought I thought we'd see Dylan

1169
00:59:25,680 --> 00:59:28,480
Speaker 3: Mitchell do this last year. Somebody who could grab it

1170
00:59:28,520 --> 00:59:31,920
Speaker 3: off the glass on the defensive end and then handle

1171
00:59:31,920 --> 00:59:34,680
Speaker 3: it himself right and bring it up the floor and

1172
00:59:34,720 --> 00:59:37,120
Speaker 3: initiate the offense and not need a guard to come

1173
00:59:37,160 --> 00:59:40,040
Speaker 3: circle back to the basketball. They had a sequence also

1174
00:59:40,240 --> 00:59:43,640
Speaker 3: last night where there was a rebound, two passes without

1175
00:59:43,640 --> 00:59:46,320
Speaker 3: the ball hitting the floor and a current crease of three.

1176
00:59:46,480 --> 00:59:48,720
Speaker 3: Now he didn't make the shot. It felt like it

1177
00:59:48,760 --> 00:59:53,080
Speaker 3: was a little bit rushed, but all off season long,

1178
00:59:53,200 --> 00:59:55,200
Speaker 3: I think a lot of us have. You know, it's

1179
00:59:55,240 --> 00:59:57,560
Speaker 3: inevitable you compare what you're doing now to what happened

1180
00:59:57,600 --> 00:59:59,160
Speaker 3: the previous year. And I think you and I have

1181
00:59:59,200 --> 01:00:02,240
Speaker 3: talked about this. Last year, it felt like Wes Miller,

1182
01:00:03,160 --> 01:00:06,360
Speaker 3: they just let's acquire dudes, and we'll figure out who

1183
01:00:06,360 --> 01:00:07,919
Speaker 3: can do what once they get here.

1184
01:00:08,040 --> 01:00:09,440
Speaker 5: It feels like this year.

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01:00:09,920 --> 01:00:13,080
Speaker 3: They really went out to build a roster where the

1186
01:00:13,120 --> 01:00:15,640
Speaker 3: pieces fit and where roles could be a little bit

1187
01:00:15,640 --> 01:00:18,840
Speaker 3: more clearly defined. And while maybe there's not the kind

1188
01:00:18,840 --> 01:00:21,640
Speaker 3: of you know, role definition in November that there should

1189
01:00:21,680 --> 01:00:24,920
Speaker 3: be in January, I do feel like watching last night

1190
01:00:25,000 --> 01:00:27,080
Speaker 3: you got a sense of who is supposed to do what.

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01:00:28,680 --> 01:00:32,640
Speaker 11: Well, that's true, Mo, and I think more importantly, and

1192
01:00:32,680 --> 01:00:36,200
Speaker 11: I know we've talked about this. I think at least

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01:00:36,240 --> 01:00:40,040
Speaker 11: with Buck Harris and probably Creasa and maybe some other

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01:00:40,080 --> 01:00:42,440
Speaker 11: guys as well. You got some guys in there that

1195
01:00:42,520 --> 01:00:45,040
Speaker 11: I think we'll fight a little bit. And I don't

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01:00:45,040 --> 01:00:49,120
Speaker 11: mean physically fight, but yeah, some tough guys.

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01:00:49,520 --> 01:00:49,680
Speaker 4: You know.

1198
01:00:49,760 --> 01:00:52,520
Speaker 3: We talked about that in the broadcast last night. Kirkriesa

1199
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Speaker 3: when he was playing at Arizona, I was lucky enough

1200
01:00:56,160 --> 01:00:59,160
Speaker 3: to fill in for Dan when they played Arizona in

1201
01:00:59,200 --> 01:01:04,960
Speaker 3: the Maui Invitation, and the Arizona broadcasters told me, by

1202
01:01:05,000 --> 01:01:07,520
Speaker 3: the end of the night, you're going to hate kerk Crisa,

1203
01:01:07,840 --> 01:01:09,720
Speaker 3: and they were wrong because it only took about five

1204
01:01:09,760 --> 01:01:11,000
Speaker 3: minutes before I hated him.

1205
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Speaker 5: It has been years, It has been years.

1206
01:01:14,560 --> 01:01:17,840
Speaker 3: Since you see has had that type of player that

1207
01:01:18,400 --> 01:01:22,360
Speaker 3: the other teams fans love to hate because he gets

1208
01:01:22,400 --> 01:01:25,040
Speaker 3: under your skin. And I think with Buck Harris, and

1209
01:01:25,080 --> 01:01:27,680
Speaker 3: I am worried about his wrist because you know, he

1210
01:01:27,760 --> 01:01:30,120
Speaker 3: came out of the game last night and there was

1211
01:01:30,200 --> 01:01:32,840
Speaker 3: no real answer as to the severity of it, but

1212
01:01:32,880 --> 01:01:35,160
Speaker 3: there was a there was a level of competitiveness. I

1213
01:01:35,200 --> 01:01:37,560
Speaker 3: watched him play at West Virginia and then what we

1214
01:01:37,600 --> 01:01:40,720
Speaker 3: saw last night, there is a level of competitiveness and

1215
01:01:40,880 --> 01:01:44,880
Speaker 3: tenacity on top of just how good he is guarding

1216
01:01:44,880 --> 01:01:49,560
Speaker 3: the basketball that they haven't had from an individual player

1217
01:01:49,680 --> 01:01:52,320
Speaker 3: in quite a while, that they badly could have used

1218
01:01:52,400 --> 01:01:54,400
Speaker 3: last season, and we saw a little bit of that

1219
01:01:54,520 --> 01:01:55,000
Speaker 3: last night.

1220
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Speaker 11: So there's no no word on Harris yet.

1221
01:01:59,560 --> 01:02:03,640
Speaker 3: No, it was interesting he was holding it. Then he

1222
01:02:04,040 --> 01:02:06,720
Speaker 3: got fouled on the play where he hurt his wrist.

1223
01:02:07,400 --> 01:02:09,320
Speaker 3: He shot a free throw and it was an ugly

1224
01:02:09,360 --> 01:02:11,919
Speaker 3: looking free throw. He then came out of the game,

1225
01:02:12,040 --> 01:02:14,520
Speaker 3: went to the locker room, came back and sat on

1226
01:02:14,560 --> 01:02:16,840
Speaker 3: the bench, went back into the locker room. And the

1227
01:02:16,840 --> 01:02:19,600
Speaker 3: only thing that Wes would really say is, man, I

1228
01:02:19,680 --> 01:02:22,320
Speaker 3: really hope he's okay, because I think he realizes how

1229
01:02:22,360 --> 01:02:24,480
Speaker 3: important he could be to the team. And then from

1230
01:02:24,520 --> 01:02:27,160
Speaker 3: my perspective, you just go, okay. You had an injury

1231
01:02:27,200 --> 01:02:30,080
Speaker 3: during the preseason with Jalen Haynes, and then an injury

1232
01:02:30,120 --> 01:02:31,760
Speaker 3: in the first game of the season. If that ends

1233
01:02:31,840 --> 01:02:33,520
Speaker 3: up being the sort of thing that lasts a while,

1234
01:02:33,560 --> 01:02:35,440
Speaker 3: it's like, you know, we're a game of the year

1235
01:02:35,440 --> 01:02:38,000
Speaker 3: and you're already down two guys. That's not a good omen.

1236
01:02:39,040 --> 01:02:41,600
Speaker 11: Hey, well, I'll tell you one thing. The big men

1237
01:02:41,640 --> 01:02:45,320
Speaker 11: they have coming off the bench, McKinley and the guy

1238
01:02:45,360 --> 01:02:50,480
Speaker 11: from France last year, they both have.

1239
01:02:49,480 --> 01:02:51,200
Speaker 6: Been McKinley's case, I didn't.

1240
01:02:51,200 --> 01:02:53,560
Speaker 11: Know if he had improved, but he's a good ballplayer,

1241
01:02:53,600 --> 01:02:56,120
Speaker 11: I think, and the other kid has improved a lot.

1242
01:02:56,560 --> 01:03:00,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, Tyler McKinley's first college basketball game last night. Local

1243
01:03:00,480 --> 01:03:03,480
Speaker 3: guy who got hurt didn't play last year. By the

1244
01:03:03,520 --> 01:03:05,720
Speaker 3: end of the season. He was doing full scale workouts,

1245
01:03:06,880 --> 01:03:09,560
Speaker 3: looked like he knew where to be right, you know,

1246
01:03:09,920 --> 01:03:12,720
Speaker 3: look like and frankly, that's what you're looking for from

1247
01:03:12,760 --> 01:03:14,800
Speaker 3: a young big who's going to come off the bench, Right,

1248
01:03:15,200 --> 01:03:17,080
Speaker 3: does he look like he knows where to be?

1249
01:03:18,000 --> 01:03:18,520
Speaker 5: And he did.

1250
01:03:18,920 --> 01:03:23,480
Speaker 3: I thought, by and large, that was a good first game.

1251
01:03:23,560 --> 01:03:26,440
Speaker 3: I've watched a lot of season openers where it looks disjointed,

1252
01:03:26,760 --> 01:03:29,080
Speaker 3: and that's you know, during the era where teams brought

1253
01:03:29,120 --> 01:03:32,480
Speaker 3: back all their players pretty much all new guys except

1254
01:03:32,520 --> 01:03:34,440
Speaker 3: for two, and it didn't look disjointed.

1255
01:03:34,520 --> 01:03:36,880
Speaker 4: Last night did not look bad.

1256
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Speaker 11: Hey Moe, thanks again for your uh for the ability

1257
01:03:40,840 --> 01:03:41,680
Speaker 11: to speak with you.

1258
01:03:41,720 --> 01:03:42,360
Speaker 4: I appreciate it.

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01:03:42,400 --> 01:03:44,800
Speaker 5: Bobb. It's always a pleasure to hear from you. Thanks

1260
01:03:44,840 --> 01:03:45,200
Speaker 5: so much.

1261
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Speaker 3: Four thirty, ESPN fifteen thirty U see wins last night.

1262
01:03:49,480 --> 01:03:53,840
Speaker 3: The Bearcats played Georgia's State on Friday, Xavier. It was

1263
01:03:54,600 --> 01:03:57,560
Speaker 3: a struggle. Richard Patino after the game said he you know,

1264
01:03:57,600 --> 01:04:00,480
Speaker 3: he wants blowouts. He also talked with us last week

1265
01:04:01,200 --> 01:04:05,800
Speaker 3: about his how aware he was of the fact that

1266
01:04:05,840 --> 01:04:10,400
Speaker 3: you couldn't take a victory over Marist For granted, I

1267
01:04:10,400 --> 01:04:12,280
Speaker 3: think it's gonna be a tough year on Victory Parkway.

1268
01:04:12,440 --> 01:04:15,280
Speaker 3: And I'm not the first or only person to say that.

1269
01:04:15,400 --> 01:04:18,600
Speaker 3: Rick Brooring was with us last week and it just

1270
01:04:19,600 --> 01:04:23,640
Speaker 3: it's year one, which is tough. It's it's a roster

1271
01:04:23,920 --> 01:04:26,840
Speaker 3: that I look at it and I'm not sure who

1272
01:04:26,840 --> 01:04:29,080
Speaker 3: the best players are supposed to be. They got out

1273
01:04:29,080 --> 01:04:31,600
Speaker 3: of there with a win last night. Lemoyne coming up

1274
01:04:31,680 --> 01:04:35,640
Speaker 3: on Thursday. We will see and like I'll say that,

1275
01:04:35,720 --> 01:04:37,880
Speaker 3: and I'm the UC guy, so to be thrown back

1276
01:04:37,880 --> 01:04:40,240
Speaker 3: in my face as we get closer to the Skyline

1277
01:04:40,320 --> 01:04:41,560
Speaker 3: Chili Crosstown shootout.

1278
01:04:41,600 --> 01:04:44,120
Speaker 5: But the consensus is it's going.

1279
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Speaker 3: To be a tough year for Xavier basketball. I'm not

1280
01:04:46,720 --> 01:04:50,160
Speaker 3: sure anything last night, anything was done last night to

1281
01:04:50,240 --> 01:04:54,120
Speaker 3: kind of dissuade anybody from going along with the consensus.

1282
01:04:54,160 --> 01:04:58,200
Speaker 3: Twenty nine from five o'clock, I want Duke Tobin to

1283
01:04:58,240 --> 01:05:00,480
Speaker 3: do with a what a former boss of mine once did.

1284
01:05:00,520 --> 01:05:02,800
Speaker 3: I'll explain next on ESPN fifteen thirty.

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Speaker 2: You've been listening to football in the NATI on ESPN

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01:05:08,520 --> 01:05:16,960
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Speaker 2: This report is.

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Speaker 7: Cincinnati's sports station ESPN fifteen thirty headline.

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Speaker 3: yours for life kelseyshev dot com. Logan Wilson traded by

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Speaker 3: the Bengals to the Dallas Cowboys. That means there's only

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Speaker 3: one Logan Wilson remaining playing football in Cincinnati. He plays

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Speaker 3: for the Bearcats. Logan Zach Taylor says, quote, I appreciate

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Speaker 3: everything he's done as a player and as a person

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Speaker 3: during his time in Cincinnati. He has been a central

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Speaker 3: part of our defense over the past six years and

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Speaker 3: He'll be remembered as a leader in our locker room.

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Speaker 3: I wish him the best moving forward. Good luck to

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Speaker 3: Logan Wilson in Dallas. Cincinnati gets a seventh round draft

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Speaker 3: choice in next year's draft. The Colts have acquired former

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Speaker 3: UC star Sauce Gardner from the New York Jets in

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Speaker 3: exchange for a couple of first round picks. New York

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Speaker 3: also sending Quinn Williams to Dallas.

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Speaker 5: What else do we have? College basketball? Tonight?

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Speaker 3: Kentucky battles at Nickel State, tip off at seven pm.

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Speaker 3: Pregame coverage at five thirty on ESPN fifteen thirty. Year

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Speaker 3: or two of the Mark Pope era underway. The Wildcats

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Speaker 3: lost their second exhibition game to Georgetown last week, twenty

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Speaker 3: away from five o'clock. I got folks waiting on hold.

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Speaker 3: Should we talk to those folks or should I give

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Speaker 3: another Innan Duke Tobin take. I teased the Duke Tobin take,

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Speaker 3: but instead I'll talk with Matt. Matt, you're on ESPN

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Speaker 3: fifteen thirty. Matt, good afternoon.

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Speaker 9: How are you kid yourself?

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Speaker 3: Mam?

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Speaker 5: I've never been better? What's going on?

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Speaker 4: So?

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Speaker 6: I have a question for you?

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Speaker 12: As a big Cincinnati fan and a lifelong follower. What

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Speaker 12: job do you think is harder to do or would

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Speaker 12: be harder being a Reds GM and Nick Krawl and

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Speaker 12: always having his hands tied financially as he said today

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Speaker 12: the payroll will be the same next year as it

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Speaker 12: was this year, Or a guy like Duke Tobin, where

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Speaker 12: we want to get better but we refuse to get better.

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Speaker 5: Which job do I think is more difficult?

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Speaker 3: I think the job of baseball general manager is inherently

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Speaker 3: more difficult than football general manager for the simple reason

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Speaker 3: that if you're a football general manager, you're you're drafting

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Speaker 3: guys that I think it's a little bit easier to

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Speaker 3: tell whether or not. Now again, take this with a

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01:08:28,640 --> 01:08:31,320
Speaker 3: grain of salt, because Duke Tobin recently has failed, but

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Speaker 3: you're drafting guys for them to help you right now.

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Speaker 3: Baseball general managers, you know, players come through minor league

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01:08:39,640 --> 01:08:43,080
Speaker 3: systems faster than ever before, but you're still really relying

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Speaker 3: on in many respects on whether an eighteen or nineteen

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Speaker 3: year old kid is going to end up being a

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Speaker 3: good mature adult at twenty five.

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Speaker 5: Does that make sense?

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Speaker 3: So I just think, like inherently, I think inherently that

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Speaker 3: job is more difficult now Duke Tobin has Joe Burrow

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Speaker 3: to build around, and part of what makes like all

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Speaker 3: the criticism aimed at him, I think very very valid,

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Speaker 3: is like, Dude, the most significant thing in sports you

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Speaker 3: have solved. I was talking before the game on Sunday

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Speaker 3: with a Chicago Bears fan cause I was we were

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Speaker 3: doing the show from the Holy Ground. We were talking

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Speaker 3: about Caleb Williams, and I'm like, in my adult life,

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Speaker 3: you've never had like a legit franchise quarterback. Jay Cutler

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Speaker 3: filled that role for a while and they went to

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Speaker 3: a super Bowl with Rex Grossman. But from the time

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Speaker 3: that Jim McMahon got done in Chicago to now, it's

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Speaker 3: been a revolving door of okay quarterbacks, pretty good quarterbacks,

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Speaker 3: quarterbacks you thought were maybe gonna be the guy. There's

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Speaker 3: no uncertainty here. Duke Tobin has that, dude, And so

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Speaker 3: the hardest thing to get, the hardest mystery to solve,

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Speaker 3: is solved for Duke Tobin. And so I don't know

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Speaker 3: that such a thing exists in baseball. I don't know

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Speaker 3: that Nick Krawl has that.

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Speaker 4: So I.

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Speaker 3: Think Nick's John job is a little bit more difficult

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Speaker 3: because of the inherent just nature of the job. There

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Speaker 3: are financial inequities that are in place that you don't

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Speaker 3: necessarily have to the same degree in the NFL. And

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Speaker 3: if you have quarterbacks solved as an NFL GM, then

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Speaker 3: I think half the job is done for you. I

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Speaker 3: don't think such a thing applies to Nick or any

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Speaker 3: of his fellow baseball gms.

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Speaker 12: So as in Duke Jovin's position, why not get rid

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Speaker 12: of Trey Hendrickson for some draft picks. Instead, you're going

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Speaker 12: to not pay him next year because you're unlikely to

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Speaker 12: franchise tag M or could they franchise tag.

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Speaker 3: Am They could franchise tag them. I don't know at

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Speaker 3: this stage why you would. I think they set an

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Speaker 3: asking price that nobody wanted to meet. Like, I don't

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Speaker 3: know if this was we're not trading trade no matter what,

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Speaker 3: although if we found out that that came from ownership,

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Speaker 3: it would be unsurprising. I think they set the asking

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Speaker 3: price too high. I do think it's interesting that we

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Speaker 3: saw first round picks get moved today. Indy sent two

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Speaker 3: to New York. I think there would have been teams

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Speaker 3: they were engaging with teams. I mean, I haven't talked

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Speaker 3: to anybody who has who has said that the Bengals

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Speaker 3: just wouldn't talk to teams about Trey Hendrickson. I think

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Speaker 3: they've been talking with teams about Trey Hendrickson for a while,

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Speaker 3: but there's been an unwillingness to come down from their

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Speaker 3: asking price. I think you or I would have said, Okay,

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Speaker 3: we're not getting a one for a guy who's gonna

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Speaker 3: play half a season and has spent time not playing

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Speaker 3: because of a hip injury. I would have taken almost

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Speaker 3: anything for Trey Hendrickson. Duke Tobin and perhaps the people

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Speaker 3: that he works for obviously do not agree.

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Speaker 12: First round pick outside of Joe and Jamar that have

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Speaker 12: actually been worth a thing. I mean I would have

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Speaker 12: been happy with a couple of twos or threes.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I went draft Capital.

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Speaker 3: I'd have taken Day three picks for him now, I think,

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Speaker 3: and Paul was talking about this with us before. The

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Speaker 3: Bengals have always shown an unwillingness. Like in twenty nineteen,

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Speaker 3: they were at the trade deadline. They had Andy Dalton,

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Speaker 3: who clearly was not going to be the quarterback moving forward.

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Speaker 3: They had already benched him. They had Aj Green, who

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Speaker 3: could play, but really was refusing to They still had

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Speaker 3: Geno Atkins, they still had Carlos dung Laft, They had

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Speaker 3: a bunch of players that were not going to be

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Speaker 3: a part of the team. By the next time the

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Speaker 3: Bengals were good and at Ozho to eight, they didn't

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Speaker 3: trade any of them. So to me, it's unsurprising that

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Speaker 3: at three and six the lens they view this through says,

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Speaker 3: we still have a shot, and as long as we

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Speaker 3: have a shot, we're not trading players that we think

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Speaker 3: can help us win. I think you and I would say, dude,

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Speaker 3: watch the team. They can't stop anybody. The defense is

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Speaker 3: maybe the worst ever. Your schedule is incredibly tough. Over

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Speaker 3: the next couple of weeks, you're gonna have to finish

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01:12:42,680 --> 01:12:45,559
Speaker 3: six and two just to get to nine wins, and

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01:12:45,600 --> 01:12:49,599
Speaker 3: that certainly doesn't seem possible. But the Bengals historically, much

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Speaker 3: to my frustration and I'm sure yours, have never viewed

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Speaker 3: things that way. The Duke Tobin has said famously it's

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Speaker 3: not my job to help other teams, and while there's

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Speaker 3: certainly some truth to that, I do think it's your

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01:13:01,040 --> 01:13:04,080
Speaker 3: job to be realistic and get a jumpstart on a

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Speaker 3: future that has to be brighter than your present, which

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01:13:07,400 --> 01:13:10,120
Speaker 3: you're not winning right now. Why not get a jumpstart

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01:13:10,120 --> 01:13:13,559
Speaker 3: on what's next by accumulating as much as much draft

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Speaker 3: capital as possible.

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Speaker 12: You know, my twelve year old and me watched the game,

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Speaker 12: and he was so excited the other day when they

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Speaker 12: hit forty two. I looked right dead in his eyes,

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Speaker 12: and I said, I looked at Joe Space when they

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Speaker 12: showed him on the sidelines that he's telling you forty

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Speaker 12: two is not enough.

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Speaker 5: Uh huh.

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Speaker 12: And I said, he's looking at him, he goes, forty

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Speaker 12: two is not enough, And I'm telling you forty two

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Speaker 12: isn't enough. And I said, when when do you look

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Speaker 12: at somebody and say, how is forty two not enough?

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Speaker 4: Uh huh?

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Speaker 5: A week after?

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Speaker 12: Who does that fall more on ownership or does that

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01:13:51,040 --> 01:13:53,679
Speaker 12: fall on the leadership of Duke Cobin and Dat Taylor.

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Speaker 12: I mean, I don't know whose hands are more to

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Speaker 12: blame here, and I think everybody's kind of had all that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And so you know, to me, I'm less interested

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01:14:05,400 --> 01:14:09,639
Speaker 3: in blame than I am. What's next. Ownership's not gonna

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01:14:09,680 --> 01:14:12,519
Speaker 3: change right to not selling the team. They're probably not

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01:14:12,560 --> 01:14:16,040
Speaker 3: gonna suddenly shift their their philosophies. Although they have done

1459
01:14:16,040 --> 01:14:18,760
Speaker 3: some things in recent years that historically don't associate them

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01:14:18,800 --> 01:14:22,559
Speaker 3: with Ownership's not gonna change. Duke Tobin is the person

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Speaker 3: in charge of the roster. Duke Duke Tobin is the

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Speaker 3: person in charge of player acquisition, trades, the draft. There

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01:14:29,000 --> 01:14:31,599
Speaker 3: are people who work underneath him, and you could certainly

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Speaker 3: make the argument that Duke would be better equipped if

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01:14:34,120 --> 01:14:36,200
Speaker 3: he had more people working for him, But at the

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Speaker 3: end of the day, he is in charge of the roster.

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Speaker 5: I'd come back to the offseason.

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Speaker 3: They had a terrible defense last year, a defense that

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01:14:44,560 --> 01:14:47,840
Speaker 3: cost them four games where they scored thirty points and

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01:14:48,000 --> 01:14:52,599
Speaker 3: still lost, and they didn't do enough to it. They

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Speaker 3: haven't drafted players who can make an immediate impact. They

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Speaker 3: were not that active in free agency.

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Speaker 5: They they.

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Speaker 3: Kept a lot of players who I think we looked

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Speaker 3: at last season and said, not sure if I can

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01:15:06,120 --> 01:15:09,240
Speaker 3: count on that guy. They didn't add a safety, that

1477
01:15:09,320 --> 01:15:12,599
Speaker 3: position stunk last year. They didn't add a corner. That

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01:15:12,640 --> 01:15:15,559
Speaker 3: position wasn't very good last year. And Duke Tobin, you

1479
01:15:15,560 --> 01:15:18,200
Speaker 3: talked about the draft. If you look at this decade,

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01:15:18,760 --> 01:15:21,160
Speaker 3: he's it's not like they haven't drafted any good players.

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01:15:21,160 --> 01:15:23,280
Speaker 3: Te Higgins is a good player, Jamar Chase is a

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01:15:23,320 --> 01:15:26,400
Speaker 3: good player. Evan McPherson's a good player, Chase Brown's a

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01:15:26,439 --> 01:15:29,000
Speaker 3: good player. None of those dudes played defense. It's been

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01:15:29,040 --> 01:15:32,719
Speaker 3: a whole bunch of Miles Murphy's and Cam Taylor Britz

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01:15:32,960 --> 01:15:37,000
Speaker 3: and Joseph Osie and Dax Hills. Like we're still talking

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01:15:37,000 --> 01:15:39,360
Speaker 3: about guys they drafted years ago waiting to see what

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Speaker 3: they could do. So now moving forward, Okay, Duke, we're

1488
01:15:43,120 --> 01:15:45,240
Speaker 3: gonna have to lean heavy into the draft to fix

1489
01:15:45,280 --> 01:15:47,799
Speaker 3: the defense. He hasn't been able to do that yet.

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01:15:47,960 --> 01:15:50,280
Speaker 3: Why should I count on him to do it moving forward?

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Speaker 12: Is he would be the classic person that I would

1492
01:15:54,600 --> 01:15:58,240
Speaker 12: say is a definition of insanity doing the same thing

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01:15:58,400 --> 01:16:02,480
Speaker 12: over and over and hoping and get any the same results.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and look I will Duke Tobin was the Executive

1495
01:16:06,400 --> 01:16:08,320
Speaker 3: of the Year a number of years ago and deserved

1496
01:16:08,360 --> 01:16:12,400
Speaker 3: it because he built that defense that in twenty twenty

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01:16:12,439 --> 01:16:14,400
Speaker 3: one got the team to the Super Bowl. But how

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01:16:14,439 --> 01:16:17,080
Speaker 3: he built that defense was throw money at it.

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Speaker 6: You know.

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Speaker 3: People said they overpaid for DJ Reider, and my take

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01:16:20,640 --> 01:16:22,120
Speaker 3: on it was they had to.

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Speaker 4: They had to.

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01:16:22,960 --> 01:16:25,200
Speaker 3: Overpay to get good players to play here, and Duke

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01:16:25,439 --> 01:16:28,720
Speaker 3: was able to throw money and give Chadobie Woozier and

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01:16:28,800 --> 01:16:32,280
Speaker 3: Von Bell and Mike Hilton and Trey Hendrickson greatest free

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01:16:32,280 --> 01:16:33,439
Speaker 3: agent acquisition ever.

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Speaker 5: Duke was responsible for that.

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Speaker 3: If this coming offseason he said, you know what, they're

1509
01:16:38,040 --> 01:16:40,040
Speaker 3: gonna be able to just throw money at the defense,

1510
01:16:40,120 --> 01:16:41,640
Speaker 3: I'd say go ahead and let him do it.

1511
01:16:41,840 --> 01:16:44,679
Speaker 5: But they can't. Now, Joe Burrow's not on a rookie

1512
01:16:44,760 --> 01:16:45,880
Speaker 5: contract five years ago.

1513
01:16:45,920 --> 01:16:46,240
Speaker 4: He was.

1514
01:16:46,439 --> 01:16:49,080
Speaker 3: Jamar Chase is not under a rookie contract five years ago.

1515
01:16:49,120 --> 01:16:51,920
Speaker 3: He was, same with t Higgins. So the way they

1516
01:16:52,000 --> 01:16:55,120
Speaker 3: have to build the defense moving forward is the same

1517
01:16:55,479 --> 01:16:57,920
Speaker 3: way that Duke Tobin has tried to build the defense

1518
01:16:57,960 --> 01:17:00,599
Speaker 3: over the last couple of years and has failed. Why

1519
01:17:00,600 --> 01:17:04,120
Speaker 3: would I give somebody repeated opportunities to do something that

1520
01:17:04,160 --> 01:17:05,559
Speaker 3: they have proven they're not good at.

1521
01:17:07,160 --> 01:17:10,200
Speaker 12: So, in a fantasy world, one more thing before I

1522
01:17:10,240 --> 01:17:13,040
Speaker 12: get off, I'm sure you gotta get going. In a

1523
01:17:13,120 --> 01:17:15,679
Speaker 12: fantasy world. Let's say the Bengals do the right thing.

1524
01:17:16,760 --> 01:17:19,960
Speaker 12: That is, in a fantasy world, getting rid of Duke

1525
01:17:20,000 --> 01:17:24,400
Speaker 12: Tobin and getting rid of Zach Taylor. Who would you

1526
01:17:24,560 --> 01:17:28,720
Speaker 12: look at as a replacement for the two. Do you

1527
01:17:28,760 --> 01:17:33,439
Speaker 12: look outside the organization for both? Do you look at

1528
01:17:33,479 --> 01:17:34,320
Speaker 12: former players?

1529
01:17:34,960 --> 01:17:35,040
Speaker 4: No?

1530
01:17:35,640 --> 01:17:38,120
Speaker 3: What I want to do is I want to mine

1531
01:17:38,439 --> 01:17:42,120
Speaker 3: the most well run and consistent franchises in the sport

1532
01:17:42,240 --> 01:17:43,520
Speaker 3: and interview people.

1533
01:17:43,240 --> 01:17:44,840
Speaker 5: Who work for them.

1534
01:17:45,240 --> 01:17:48,960
Speaker 3: Like the Baltimore Ravens are always good. They always have

1535
01:17:49,040 --> 01:17:52,639
Speaker 3: good rosters. Now they have years where they're not very good,

1536
01:17:52,960 --> 01:17:55,360
Speaker 3: but the cycle doesn't seem to trap them in these

1537
01:17:55,400 --> 01:17:56,960
Speaker 3: long stretches where they're awful.

1538
01:17:57,439 --> 01:17:58,639
Speaker 5: The Kansas City Chiefs.

1539
01:17:58,720 --> 01:18:01,639
Speaker 3: The Kansas City Chiefs didn't suddenly get good when Patrick

1540
01:18:01,640 --> 01:18:04,200
Speaker 3: Mahomes took the field. They were a playoff team every

1541
01:18:04,280 --> 01:18:08,040
Speaker 3: single year starting in two thousand and thirteen when Andy

1542
01:18:08,080 --> 01:18:11,800
Speaker 3: Reid became the head coach. What about that franchise has

1543
01:18:11,920 --> 01:18:16,880
Speaker 3: allowed them to fix defficiencies, stay relevant, win championships. What

1544
01:18:16,960 --> 01:18:20,160
Speaker 3: about what they're doing in Detroit where two teams have

1545
01:18:20,280 --> 01:18:22,840
Speaker 3: hired coaches from that organization, They seem to have a

1546
01:18:22,960 --> 01:18:27,680
Speaker 3: terrific roster. I would look, and it's not guaranteed to

1547
01:18:27,680 --> 01:18:30,360
Speaker 3: work right because for years people try to hire folks

1548
01:18:30,360 --> 01:18:32,400
Speaker 3: who are with the Patriots and hey, we're going to

1549
01:18:32,439 --> 01:18:35,920
Speaker 3: be like New England. But to me, in any if

1550
01:18:35,960 --> 01:18:38,640
Speaker 3: you're ever hiring right, and you're looking for people to

1551
01:18:39,280 --> 01:18:42,439
Speaker 3: I don't know, lift your franchise or lift your company to.

1552
01:18:43,960 --> 01:18:44,719
Speaker 4: Higher heights.

1553
01:18:45,160 --> 01:18:47,439
Speaker 3: I'm looking for folks who are getting it done or

1554
01:18:47,479 --> 01:18:51,160
Speaker 3: helping get it done in elsewhere for you know, places

1555
01:18:51,160 --> 01:18:53,720
Speaker 3: that are what I want my company or my organization

1556
01:18:53,800 --> 01:18:54,000
Speaker 3: to be.

1557
01:18:55,160 --> 01:18:56,840
Speaker 12: And I think you've hit the nail on the head

1558
01:18:56,880 --> 01:18:59,680
Speaker 12: when it comes to that. You need a GM and

1559
01:18:59,720 --> 01:19:02,599
Speaker 12: a co coach that are on the same page. And

1560
01:19:02,680 --> 01:19:06,520
Speaker 12: I don't think that that is the case in Cincinnati.

1561
01:19:07,600 --> 01:19:08,599
Speaker 5: It doesn't feel like it.

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01:19:08,840 --> 01:19:10,840
Speaker 3: I think what would be fascinating, and Matt, thank you

1563
01:19:10,920 --> 01:19:12,559
Speaker 3: very much for the phone call. I think what would

1564
01:19:12,560 --> 01:19:14,680
Speaker 3: be what would thank you? I think what would have

1565
01:19:14,680 --> 01:19:17,679
Speaker 3: been really interesting would be if if you could somehow

1566
01:19:17,720 --> 01:19:22,800
Speaker 3: get Zach Taylor to speak truthfully about how about how

1567
01:19:22,840 --> 01:19:25,360
Speaker 3: he has felt about a number of decisions the Bengals

1568
01:19:25,400 --> 01:19:29,920
Speaker 3: have made in relation to the roster. I also, quite frankly,

1569
01:19:29,960 --> 01:19:32,200
Speaker 3: think it would be fascinating to see what this past

1570
01:19:32,240 --> 01:19:35,479
Speaker 3: offseason would have looked like had they stuck to their

1571
01:19:35,520 --> 01:19:37,160
Speaker 3: original plan as it relates.

1572
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Speaker 5: To t Higgins.

1573
01:19:38,840 --> 01:19:40,800
Speaker 3: But yes, and I think one of the more interesting things,

1574
01:19:40,840 --> 01:19:44,160
Speaker 3: like if you want to remove Duke Tobin, which I'm

1575
01:19:44,280 --> 01:19:49,519
Speaker 3: certainly not opposed to. The new guy is probably gonna

1576
01:19:49,520 --> 01:19:52,559
Speaker 3: want some say into who is head coaches. You know,

1577
01:19:52,600 --> 01:19:55,519
Speaker 3: remember when Zach Taylor got hired, the Bengals made a

1578
01:19:55,520 --> 01:19:58,000
Speaker 3: big deal about how this was Duke Tobin's call. Now,

1579
01:19:58,120 --> 01:19:59,960
Speaker 3: I do not believe for a second it was one

1580
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:04,120
Speaker 3: one hundred percent Duke Tobin's call. But if you're going

1581
01:20:04,200 --> 01:20:07,280
Speaker 3: to hire somebody to be Duke Tobin two point zero,

1582
01:20:08,040 --> 01:20:09,960
Speaker 3: that person, I'm sure is going to want to hire

1583
01:20:10,360 --> 01:20:13,160
Speaker 3: his or her own head coach. Seve it away from

1584
01:20:13,320 --> 01:20:16,000
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Speaker 3: do want to spend a few more minutes on Duke

1588
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Speaker 3: Tobin and why I wish he was like a former

1589
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1642
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Speaker 3: We'll grab another phone call or two here in just

1643
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Speaker 3: a second. Bengals have traded Logan Wilson to the Cowboys.

1644
01:23:20,360 --> 01:23:23,479
Speaker 3: They did not trade anybody else. This is the bye week.

1645
01:23:23,520 --> 01:23:27,000
Speaker 3: There's no game this week, and many will go, well,

1646
01:23:27,040 --> 01:23:29,120
Speaker 3: you know, this is a good opportunity for Duke Tobin

1647
01:23:29,160 --> 01:23:33,040
Speaker 3: to speak. And I don't know that Duke Tobin is

1648
01:23:33,080 --> 01:23:37,920
Speaker 3: gonna say anything that makes any one of us feel better.

1649
01:23:38,680 --> 01:23:41,120
Speaker 3: I don't know that he could offer an explanation that

1650
01:23:41,200 --> 01:23:43,800
Speaker 3: is legitimately gonna make any one of us feel like,

1651
01:23:43,880 --> 01:23:47,519
Speaker 3: you know what, things are fine, We're okay here, Trust Duke.

1652
01:23:47,920 --> 01:23:50,639
Speaker 3: Let him pick the players next year. I don't think

1653
01:23:50,680 --> 01:23:55,800
Speaker 3: that's gonna happen. But if I were him and Duke

1654
01:23:55,880 --> 01:24:01,559
Speaker 3: Tobin is made available at the combine, I know some

1655
01:24:01,640 --> 01:24:04,240
Speaker 3: of the folks who cover the team have have done

1656
01:24:04,360 --> 01:24:05,559
Speaker 3: one on ones with him.

1657
01:24:05,400 --> 01:24:06,439
Speaker 5: At the Senior Bowl.

1658
01:24:07,400 --> 01:24:10,280
Speaker 3: I think he's made available during that mock turtle soup

1659
01:24:10,320 --> 01:24:10,880
Speaker 3: thing they.

1660
01:24:10,720 --> 01:24:11,400
Speaker 5: Do every July.

1661
01:24:11,479 --> 01:24:15,320
Speaker 3: And then that's like it. And you know, for the

1662
01:24:15,360 --> 01:24:18,880
Speaker 3: most part, I have no issue with that doesn't matter

1663
01:24:18,920 --> 01:24:20,880
Speaker 3: to me. It's not like Duke Tobin when he talks

1664
01:24:21,280 --> 01:24:25,920
Speaker 3: is some like magical content machine. But on a human level,

1665
01:24:26,880 --> 01:24:30,000
Speaker 3: if I was Duke Tobin, I would watch my head

1666
01:24:30,040 --> 01:24:33,280
Speaker 3: coach have to answer questions about the team that I

1667
01:24:33,360 --> 01:24:37,880
Speaker 3: put together. Three times a week during the season. Zach

1668
01:24:37,920 --> 01:24:40,519
Speaker 3: Taylor has to talk after the game on Sunday, it's

1669
01:24:40,560 --> 01:24:41,920
Speaker 3: got to talk again on Monday.

1670
01:24:42,240 --> 01:24:42,720
Speaker 5: He's got to.

1671
01:24:42,680 --> 01:24:43,920
Speaker 4: Talk again on Wednesday.

1672
01:24:45,000 --> 01:24:47,519
Speaker 3: He's got to answer questions, and he's gotta answer questions

1673
01:24:47,560 --> 01:24:49,400
Speaker 3: that he should have to answer, you know, his own

1674
01:24:49,439 --> 01:24:52,559
Speaker 3: coaching and play calling and personnel decisions during the game

1675
01:24:52,800 --> 01:24:54,719
Speaker 3: and all that sort of stuff. An NFL head coach

1676
01:24:54,880 --> 01:24:59,840
Speaker 3: is essentially the spokesperson for a particular franchise. If I

1677
01:25:00,200 --> 01:25:02,439
Speaker 3: Duke Tobin, I go, you know what, this dude every

1678
01:25:02,439 --> 01:25:05,320
Speaker 3: week has to answer questions for a roster that I

1679
01:25:05,400 --> 01:25:08,519
Speaker 3: put together, for a roster that is underperforming. And then

1680
01:25:08,640 --> 01:25:11,320
Speaker 3: you know, to a lesser degree, Al Golden's made available

1681
01:25:11,320 --> 01:25:13,040
Speaker 3: and say what you want about Al, but he has

1682
01:25:13,120 --> 01:25:16,839
Speaker 3: made available, and Al is complicit. He's the defensive coordinator.

1683
01:25:16,880 --> 01:25:19,280
Speaker 3: It's arguably the worst defense of all time. And so

1684
01:25:19,520 --> 01:25:22,200
Speaker 3: you know, should he be held accountable? Of course he should.

1685
01:25:23,000 --> 01:25:25,800
Speaker 3: But and I'm watching players. I'm watching Jamar Chase and

1686
01:25:25,880 --> 01:25:29,519
Speaker 3: Chase Brown have to answer questions about a defense that

1687
01:25:29,720 --> 01:25:32,120
Speaker 3: I put together. If I was Duke Tobin, I go,

1688
01:25:32,200 --> 01:25:35,000
Speaker 3: you know what, nobody else should have to answer for

1689
01:25:35,080 --> 01:25:36,640
Speaker 3: this team that I put together, at least for this

1690
01:25:36,720 --> 01:25:37,840
Speaker 3: defense that I put together.

1691
01:25:38,000 --> 01:25:38,880
Speaker 4: So you know what I'm gonna do.

1692
01:25:39,160 --> 01:25:43,519
Speaker 3: It's the bye week here, I am ask away, and

1693
01:25:43,560 --> 01:25:46,360
Speaker 3: at least for a day, I'm the guy having to

1694
01:25:46,400 --> 01:25:50,920
Speaker 3: answer questions about the defense that I put together years ago.

1695
01:25:52,640 --> 01:25:55,000
Speaker 3: And I'm not gonna dive into the deep particulars of this.

1696
01:25:55,280 --> 01:26:01,560
Speaker 3: Years ago, at the radio station, a popular air personality

1697
01:26:01,680 --> 01:26:06,519
Speaker 3: was taken off the air, and as is usually the

1698
01:26:06,560 --> 01:26:11,280
Speaker 3: case when that happens, no executive has to go in

1699
01:26:11,280 --> 01:26:15,800
Speaker 3: front of a microphone. Right, it's usually us, like the

1700
01:26:16,120 --> 01:26:19,880
Speaker 3: other on air personalities, who have to explain why this

1701
01:26:19,960 --> 01:26:22,919
Speaker 3: person's no longer there and then hear from angry listeners.

1702
01:26:23,400 --> 01:26:25,200
Speaker 5: I've had to do it, many of us have. It's

1703
01:26:25,320 --> 01:26:26,280
Speaker 5: kind of part of the gig.

1704
01:26:27,080 --> 01:26:31,000
Speaker 3: But this one particular time, this is many, many years ago,

1705
01:26:31,400 --> 01:26:37,000
Speaker 3: popular on air personality was let go and in the

1706
01:26:37,120 --> 01:26:42,639
Speaker 3: vacated seat that day, the boss took over and did

1707
01:26:42,680 --> 01:26:47,599
Speaker 3: the show that day and answered questions from angry listeners

1708
01:26:48,240 --> 01:26:50,320
Speaker 3: and then you know, trying to conduct a normal show,

1709
01:26:50,400 --> 01:26:54,439
Speaker 3: but at least didn't make anybody else answer questions for

1710
01:26:54,520 --> 01:26:59,000
Speaker 3: something that they weren't responsible for. And I gained a

1711
01:26:59,080 --> 01:27:01,640
Speaker 3: whole different level love respect for this guy. I'm like,

1712
01:27:01,720 --> 01:27:03,720
Speaker 3: you know what, that's cool. I don't know if it

1713
01:27:03,720 --> 01:27:06,599
Speaker 3: was the greatest radio show ever, but it's like, all right,

1714
01:27:06,640 --> 01:27:09,400
Speaker 3: this decision was made, the people you're putting on the

1715
01:27:09,400 --> 01:27:11,000
Speaker 3: air are not responsible for it.

1716
01:27:11,479 --> 01:27:13,000
Speaker 5: Why should they have to answer to it?

1717
01:27:13,800 --> 01:27:16,439
Speaker 3: And I thought that was cool as hell, and I

1718
01:27:16,479 --> 01:27:18,519
Speaker 3: gained a level of respect for him doing something that

1719
01:27:18,560 --> 01:27:20,840
Speaker 3: wasn't necessary. He wasn't told he had to do it,

1720
01:27:20,880 --> 01:27:25,280
Speaker 3: wasn't really in his job description. I would think it

1721
01:27:25,360 --> 01:27:28,080
Speaker 3: would be cool as hell if Duke Tobin would do

1722
01:27:28,120 --> 01:27:30,920
Speaker 3: something similar. Might not make me think that he should

1723
01:27:30,920 --> 01:27:33,880
Speaker 3: be the guy moving forward, but you know what, all right,

1724
01:27:34,240 --> 01:27:37,920
Speaker 3: I built this roster. This roster is underperforming the part

1725
01:27:37,960 --> 01:27:40,080
Speaker 3: of the roster that I was supposed to spend the

1726
01:27:40,120 --> 01:27:43,280
Speaker 3: off season fixing. Not only have I not fixed it,

1727
01:27:43,280 --> 01:27:47,040
Speaker 3: it's worse. This isn't on my coach, This isn't on

1728
01:27:47,080 --> 01:27:50,760
Speaker 3: my new defensive coordinator. It's on the players. And the

1729
01:27:50,800 --> 01:27:53,280
Speaker 3: players are in the locker room with reporters coming in

1730
01:27:53,360 --> 01:27:54,360
Speaker 3: multiple times a week.

1731
01:27:54,560 --> 01:27:55,400
Speaker 4: You know what I'm gonna do.

1732
01:27:56,520 --> 01:27:58,840
Speaker 3: I'm gonna walk down to that interview room, make it

1733
01:27:58,920 --> 01:28:03,679
Speaker 3: known Thursday at one o'clock, ask away, and at least

1734
01:28:03,680 --> 01:28:07,559
Speaker 3: for a day, the arrow is pointed at me, and

1735
01:28:07,600 --> 01:28:10,320
Speaker 3: the tough questions are pointed at me, And then maybe

1736
01:28:10,360 --> 01:28:13,200
Speaker 3: I'm not really gonna say anything, but there's a level

1737
01:28:13,240 --> 01:28:17,519
Speaker 3: of accountability there where I'm answering questions about something I

1738
01:28:17,520 --> 01:28:20,040
Speaker 3: am responsible for, not somebody else.

1739
01:28:20,600 --> 01:28:22,120
Speaker 5: Do I expect Duke Tobin to do that?

1740
01:28:23,080 --> 01:28:23,160
Speaker 7: No?

1741
01:28:23,960 --> 01:28:26,000
Speaker 3: Is there a world where Duke Tobin is told he's

1742
01:28:26,040 --> 01:28:29,679
Speaker 3: not allowed to do that? I suppose Do I think

1743
01:28:29,680 --> 01:28:32,160
Speaker 3: it would be respectable of him to do that?

1744
01:28:33,080 --> 01:28:33,680
Speaker 5: Absolutely?

1745
01:28:35,280 --> 01:28:37,760
Speaker 3: Twelve minutes after five o'clock, Sean said, is gonna join

1746
01:28:37,880 --> 01:28:41,160
Speaker 3: us in just a few minutes. I cannot believe that

1747
01:28:41,280 --> 01:28:44,240
Speaker 3: Mike from LA hasn't been on hold since Saturday night,

1748
01:28:44,640 --> 01:28:49,200
Speaker 3: still basking in the glory, still perhaps drunk, after celebrating

1749
01:28:49,240 --> 01:28:52,000
Speaker 3: the Dodgers winning a second consecutive World Series in a

1750
01:28:52,080 --> 01:28:55,600
Speaker 3: remarkable classic Game seven, Mike, congratulations, how are you?

1751
01:28:58,280 --> 01:28:58,479
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1752
01:28:58,520 --> 01:28:59,040
Speaker 13: It was.

1753
01:29:00,479 --> 01:29:04,000
Speaker 6: Thanks mom. It was a tree for everyone to enjoy

1754
01:29:04,120 --> 01:29:08,240
Speaker 6: this World series. You had the first highest payroll versus

1755
01:29:08,280 --> 01:29:12,400
Speaker 6: the fourth highest payroll, and it played out to be

1756
01:29:12,720 --> 01:29:14,960
Speaker 6: a It's the best one I can remember a moment

1757
01:29:15,000 --> 01:29:17,240
Speaker 6: at least the last twenty years. Come out.

1758
01:29:17,320 --> 01:29:21,920
Speaker 3: You know, here's one of the reasons that I love sports.

1759
01:29:22,360 --> 01:29:26,040
Speaker 3: So all I was rooting for was a good series, right.

1760
01:29:26,200 --> 01:29:28,080
Speaker 3: I wanted a good world so we got a really

1761
01:29:28,080 --> 01:29:31,000
Speaker 3: good world series. Game three was a classic, Game six

1762
01:29:31,120 --> 01:29:34,280
Speaker 3: was interesting. Game seven is one of the all time best.

1763
01:29:34,439 --> 01:29:36,679
Speaker 3: But one of the reasons why I love sports, right

1764
01:29:36,960 --> 01:29:41,280
Speaker 3: is when you think of the Dodgers, it's Otani, Mookie Bets,

1765
01:29:42,080 --> 01:29:46,120
Speaker 3: Yoshi Yamamoto, Freddie Freeman, all of these stars.

1766
01:29:46,280 --> 01:29:47,760
Speaker 4: Right, But who won it?

1767
01:29:47,920 --> 01:29:48,320
Speaker 6: Tell them?

1768
01:29:48,320 --> 01:29:48,400
Speaker 11: Mo?

1769
01:29:48,640 --> 01:29:49,320
Speaker 4: Who won it?

1770
01:29:49,400 --> 01:29:52,599
Speaker 6: The guys that aren't making billions, tell them, MO, tell them.

1771
01:29:53,040 --> 01:29:57,599
Speaker 3: Miguel Rojas, a thirty six year old second Baseman hits

1772
01:29:57,640 --> 01:30:00,680
Speaker 3: the game tying home run in the ninth inning and

1773
01:30:00,720 --> 01:30:03,000
Speaker 3: then makes the play where if I'm a Blue Jays fan,

1774
01:30:03,240 --> 01:30:05,120
Speaker 3: I'm not going to sleep all winter thinking about the

1775
01:30:05,160 --> 01:30:07,200
Speaker 3: bang bang play to play now. Will Smith is a

1776
01:30:07,200 --> 01:30:09,280
Speaker 3: good player hit the game winning home run. But one

1777
01:30:09,280 --> 01:30:11,240
Speaker 3: of the reasons I love sports, and I think this

1778
01:30:11,320 --> 01:30:15,519
Speaker 3: presents itself in baseball more than the others, is the

1779
01:30:15,600 --> 01:30:19,200
Speaker 3: unlikely hero right where the Dodgers don't win the World

1780
01:30:19,240 --> 01:30:22,000
Speaker 3: Series if Mcguel Rojas doesn't hit a home run of

1781
01:30:22,000 --> 01:30:24,920
Speaker 3: the ninth inning and so yes, it's big pay roll

1782
01:30:25,040 --> 01:30:27,200
Speaker 3: and all that go ahead.

1783
01:30:27,240 --> 01:30:30,680
Speaker 6: Andy jumps over the top of Kek to pick that

1784
01:30:30,840 --> 01:30:32,639
Speaker 6: ball off to a left field fence.

1785
01:30:33,080 --> 01:30:37,040
Speaker 3: Unbelievable, And I thought Dave Roberts big.

1786
01:30:37,000 --> 01:30:40,040
Speaker 6: Money guys for the Dodgers, So quit talking about that

1787
01:30:40,160 --> 01:30:40,840
Speaker 6: all the time.

1788
01:30:41,160 --> 01:30:43,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I thought, I thought Dave Roberts managed a

1789
01:30:43,680 --> 01:30:47,560
Speaker 3: great game seven. His gut told him to use Miguel Rojas.

1790
01:30:48,240 --> 01:30:50,519
Speaker 3: He puts paw Hez in the game in the middle

1791
01:30:50,680 --> 01:30:53,160
Speaker 3: of the inning to have him go and make that catch.

1792
01:30:55,000 --> 01:30:58,080
Speaker 3: He knew exactly when to bring in Yamamoto new to

1793
01:30:58,120 --> 01:31:02,080
Speaker 3: stay with him like it was an extraordinarily entertaining World Series.

1794
01:31:02,840 --> 01:31:07,240
Speaker 3: I could understand the agony Toronto fans are dealing with.

1795
01:31:07,360 --> 01:31:09,600
Speaker 3: You have a three to nothing lead, you had the

1796
01:31:09,680 --> 01:31:11,960
Speaker 3: wedge ball in the ninth inning of Game six, you

1797
01:31:12,000 --> 01:31:15,000
Speaker 3: had all those opportunities to win Game three. Your team

1798
01:31:15,040 --> 01:31:18,080
Speaker 3: bounces back, there's a bang bang play to play. There's

1799
01:31:18,080 --> 01:31:20,519
Speaker 3: a silly bunt that your manager called that never should

1800
01:31:20,520 --> 01:31:23,880
Speaker 3: have happened. I mean it was I we've all experienced

1801
01:31:23,880 --> 01:31:26,400
Speaker 3: our team losing. That is a level of losing the

1802
01:31:26,439 --> 01:31:29,479
Speaker 3: Toronto fans are dealing with right now that I hope

1803
01:31:29,479 --> 01:31:32,639
Speaker 3: I never again have to relate to. But the Dodgers,

1804
01:31:32,640 --> 01:31:35,800
Speaker 3: with the story Game seven was awesome. I'm happy for you.

1805
01:31:36,880 --> 01:31:38,599
Speaker 6: I feel sorry for the Toronto fans.

1806
01:31:38,640 --> 01:31:39,720
Speaker 4: I really truly do.

1807
01:31:39,880 --> 01:31:42,320
Speaker 6: Even the players. I feel real sorry for them, guys,

1808
01:31:42,640 --> 01:31:45,479
Speaker 6: There's no question about it. But I just wanted the

1809
01:31:46,680 --> 01:31:50,320
Speaker 6: nonsense to be put to bed because Snookie did nothing.

1810
01:31:51,040 --> 01:31:53,640
Speaker 6: I mean, so you can pay guys, different guys a

1811
01:31:53,680 --> 01:31:56,400
Speaker 6: lot of money. That doesn't mean you're going to perform.

1812
01:31:56,600 --> 01:32:00,240
Speaker 6: It doesn't mean it at all. So just click quick

1813
01:32:00,280 --> 01:32:02,960
Speaker 6: picking up on my guys, because oh they got to

1814
01:32:03,000 --> 01:32:05,479
Speaker 6: the highest payroll, not by much. If you look at

1815
01:32:05,479 --> 01:32:08,080
Speaker 6: the Phillies and the Yankees and the Mets right and

1816
01:32:08,160 --> 01:32:12,400
Speaker 6: even Toronto. So anyway, thanks for recognizing that. Wonderful women.

1817
01:32:12,479 --> 01:32:14,599
Speaker 6: I wanted to talk about football, but you don't have time.

1818
01:32:15,439 --> 01:32:16,920
Speaker 5: I got like one minute, go ahead.

1819
01:32:18,920 --> 01:32:24,320
Speaker 6: I think the search for players should be secondary to

1820
01:32:24,479 --> 01:32:27,639
Speaker 6: the search for a general manager for the Bengals. Someone

1821
01:32:27,880 --> 01:32:31,599
Speaker 6: of the Roseman ilk, someone of the less snead ilk

1822
01:32:31,680 --> 01:32:34,800
Speaker 6: from the Rams, someone of the todd light ilk from

1823
01:32:34,840 --> 01:32:37,920
Speaker 6: the from the Bucks, that you know are going to

1824
01:32:38,040 --> 01:32:42,519
Speaker 6: perform well in the third, fourth, fifth, sixth, seventh rounds

1825
01:32:42,520 --> 01:32:43,320
Speaker 6: in the draft.

1826
01:32:44,840 --> 01:32:48,400
Speaker 3: Couldn't agree more? Thought, Yes, No, I could not agree more.

1827
01:32:48,520 --> 01:32:52,280
Speaker 3: They need new players. I don't know that anybody can

1828
01:32:52,320 --> 01:32:55,280
Speaker 3: trust Duke Tobin to identify who those new players are.

1829
01:32:55,720 --> 01:32:57,080
Speaker 3: And all you have to do is look at what

1830
01:32:57,120 --> 01:32:59,320
Speaker 3: you just talked about. I mean, the most glaring example

1831
01:32:59,400 --> 01:33:03,240
Speaker 3: for me is you have two third round picks in

1832
01:33:03,320 --> 01:33:06,519
Speaker 3: twenty twenty four that have done literally nothing for you

1833
01:33:06,600 --> 01:33:11,080
Speaker 3: this year, that never play, that never dress. I don't

1834
01:33:11,160 --> 01:33:14,000
Speaker 3: know how if you're if you run a football team

1835
01:33:14,080 --> 01:33:17,000
Speaker 3: and you have a general manager who did that, who's

1836
01:33:17,080 --> 01:33:20,080
Speaker 3: responsible for that? On top of all of these other

1837
01:33:20,240 --> 01:33:23,040
Speaker 3: draft whiffs. I don't know how he could sit in

1838
01:33:23,080 --> 01:33:25,680
Speaker 3: front of you and in a way that saves his

1839
01:33:25,880 --> 01:33:27,000
Speaker 3: job explain that.

1840
01:33:27,520 --> 01:33:28,160
Speaker 5: I don't get it.

1841
01:33:28,400 --> 01:33:32,920
Speaker 3: So I couldn't agree more, Mike, you need somebody as

1842
01:33:32,960 --> 01:33:35,040
Speaker 3: long as they have the money thrown at the players

1843
01:33:35,080 --> 01:33:37,439
Speaker 3: who are earning the dough. The way they try to

1844
01:33:37,439 --> 01:33:39,400
Speaker 3: build this defense is going to be the same way

1845
01:33:39,439 --> 01:33:41,519
Speaker 3: they've tried to build the defense, the same way that

1846
01:33:41,720 --> 01:33:44,040
Speaker 3: Duke Tobin has had a crack at it and has failed.

1847
01:33:44,320 --> 01:33:47,160
Speaker 3: When somebody has failed repeatedly as something, do you give

1848
01:33:47,200 --> 01:33:49,400
Speaker 3: them unlimited cracks at it?

1849
01:33:49,479 --> 01:33:51,720
Speaker 5: For me? And I think for you, might answer is.

1850
01:33:51,680 --> 01:33:55,639
Speaker 6: No, Well, I don't even know what you would start

1851
01:33:55,760 --> 01:33:59,080
Speaker 6: to do in a search for a general incredible general manager,

1852
01:33:59,160 --> 01:34:00,719
Speaker 6: do you.

1853
01:34:01,840 --> 01:34:04,000
Speaker 5: Well? It's interesting.

1854
01:34:04,040 --> 01:34:06,000
Speaker 3: I mean I would, I would mind the the better

1855
01:34:06,080 --> 01:34:09,920
Speaker 3: run franchises in the NFL. I would certainly talk to

1856
01:34:09,960 --> 01:34:12,200
Speaker 3: Troy Brown, who has worked in the in the front

1857
01:34:12,200 --> 01:34:14,639
Speaker 3: office now for a while here. But I think it's

1858
01:34:14,680 --> 01:34:17,360
Speaker 3: what makes it fascinating. I asked Danner this in the

1859
01:34:17,360 --> 01:34:20,200
Speaker 3: first hour. We have no idea what a de facto

1860
01:34:20,320 --> 01:34:22,439
Speaker 3: general manager search would look for, Mike. I got a

1861
01:34:22,520 --> 01:34:25,919
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1862
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Speaker 3: a woman by the name of Mary from Mount Washington.

1875
01:35:12,439 --> 01:35:16,960
Speaker 3: I think she's top candidate. If the Bengals removed to Tobin,

1876
01:35:17,080 --> 01:35:21,160
Speaker 3: I would interview her first. Mary from Mount Washington A

1877
01:35:21,160 --> 01:35:24,960
Speaker 3: lot of work. Mary, and I have your hands full.

1878
01:35:25,000 --> 01:35:27,880
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1879
01:35:27,920 --> 01:35:29,760
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1880
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1881
01:35:33,360 --> 01:35:37,479
Speaker 3: us every single Tuesday to ride the Hamster wheel that

1882
01:35:37,600 --> 01:35:40,960
Speaker 3: is talking about the Bengals defense and schemes and how

1883
01:35:41,000 --> 01:35:42,640
Speaker 3: they fix it and Sean, it's good to have you

1884
01:35:42,640 --> 01:35:43,040
Speaker 3: as always.

1885
01:35:43,040 --> 01:35:44,719
Speaker 5: How are you.

1886
01:35:44,720 --> 01:35:45,759
Speaker 4: Oh, it's great.

1887
01:35:46,560 --> 01:35:48,640
Speaker 13: Every week, you know, it feels like the Bengals come

1888
01:35:48,720 --> 01:35:53,280
Speaker 13: up with something new. It's not always positive, but yeah,

1889
01:35:53,479 --> 01:35:55,000
Speaker 13: I do want to start with saying I like watching

1890
01:35:55,040 --> 01:35:57,360
Speaker 13: DJ Turner play football, so I want to make sure

1891
01:35:57,400 --> 01:36:00,000
Speaker 13: I said something positive on the radio by this time.

1892
01:36:00,479 --> 01:36:03,160
Speaker 3: You know what, But put DJ Turner on film for me.

1893
01:36:03,200 --> 01:36:05,280
Speaker 3: Tell me what you like about him.

1894
01:36:05,439 --> 01:36:05,639
Speaker 11: Yeah.

1895
01:36:05,640 --> 01:36:07,879
Speaker 13: I think he's a he's a good corner. He's competitive

1896
01:36:07,920 --> 01:36:09,800
Speaker 13: at the catch point. I think you can put him

1897
01:36:09,840 --> 01:36:12,760
Speaker 13: in multiple schemes, whether you're playing that deeper cover three,

1898
01:36:12,800 --> 01:36:15,040
Speaker 13: while you're playing that kind of in the cornerback space

1899
01:36:15,600 --> 01:36:16,240
Speaker 13: sort of cover.

1900
01:36:16,160 --> 01:36:18,680
Speaker 10: Two type look and look. He's improved, I think in

1901
01:36:18,760 --> 01:36:21,559
Speaker 10: his years in the league so far. So it's nice

1902
01:36:21,600 --> 01:36:23,120
Speaker 10: to see. You know, you can take.

1903
01:36:23,000 --> 01:36:25,559
Speaker 13: Something positive away when I look at all the grades,

1904
01:36:25,600 --> 01:36:26,800
Speaker 13: and then when I go at the film, it's like,

1905
01:36:26,800 --> 01:36:28,400
Speaker 13: all right, well, you can remember early in the game

1906
01:36:28,439 --> 01:36:31,600
Speaker 13: against the Bears, you have that nice pass deflection on

1907
01:36:31,680 --> 01:36:34,080
Speaker 13: a throat to Caleb Williams's left, so look at us,

1908
01:36:34,160 --> 01:36:37,080
Speaker 13: just feeling good and fine on this Tuesday.

1909
01:36:37,520 --> 01:36:37,680
Speaker 4: Right.

1910
01:36:37,760 --> 01:36:39,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, so there's a building block. There's a building block.

1911
01:36:39,960 --> 01:36:43,839
Speaker 3: The problem is it's it's building blocks singular and not plural.

1912
01:36:44,080 --> 01:36:48,000
Speaker 3: They traded Logan Wilson, they didn't trade anybody else. We're

1913
01:36:48,000 --> 01:36:50,280
Speaker 3: not surprised because this is sort of how the Bengals

1914
01:36:50,280 --> 01:36:53,680
Speaker 3: do things. But put a GM head on reasonably, what

1915
01:36:53,680 --> 01:36:55,679
Speaker 3: would you have given the Bengals for Trey Hendrickson.

1916
01:36:57,560 --> 01:37:00,639
Speaker 10: Well, it's probably good. It's gonna be a shorter thing.

1917
01:37:00,680 --> 01:37:04,280
Speaker 13: I think you you you start the call at a three. Uh,

1918
01:37:04,320 --> 01:37:07,160
Speaker 13: and then the obviously the Bengals say absolutely not that.

1919
01:37:07,360 --> 01:37:10,200
Speaker 10: Give me a one. No, I would I would get

1920
01:37:10,120 --> 01:37:12,160
Speaker 10: say maybe a two. You could talk me into throwing

1921
01:37:12,280 --> 01:37:13,160
Speaker 10: a second round pick.

1922
01:37:13,240 --> 01:37:13,639
Speaker 4: You're away.

1923
01:37:13,680 --> 01:37:15,920
Speaker 10: But I have to assume there.

1924
01:37:15,720 --> 01:37:18,160
Speaker 13: Were conversations about it. I think just giving them the

1925
01:37:18,160 --> 01:37:20,920
Speaker 13: benefit of the doubt there. But yeah, it did feel like,

1926
01:37:20,960 --> 01:37:23,160
Speaker 13: all right, well, you're at a point in your season

1927
01:37:23,280 --> 01:37:25,400
Speaker 13: where I don't ever want to be like, oh, you know,

1928
01:37:25,439 --> 01:37:27,760
Speaker 13: you're tanking the season, it's all over. But you have

1929
01:37:27,840 --> 01:37:30,360
Speaker 13: a resource that you can get a bunch of draft

1930
01:37:30,400 --> 01:37:33,240
Speaker 13: capital for. You know, what kind of move can you make?

1931
01:37:33,360 --> 01:37:35,799
Speaker 13: So you look at the Jalen Phillips trade, for example,

1932
01:37:36,320 --> 01:37:38,679
Speaker 13: with the Eagles, where that pulls a third round pick,

1933
01:37:38,680 --> 01:37:40,479
Speaker 13: and I think that's like the absolute worst that you

1934
01:37:40,520 --> 01:37:42,200
Speaker 13: do in that situation. I think you should look at

1935
01:37:42,240 --> 01:37:45,800
Speaker 13: Hendrickson as a full step of from Philip. So you know,

1936
01:37:45,960 --> 01:37:47,679
Speaker 13: I had to feel like at least a second round pick.

1937
01:37:47,720 --> 01:37:49,640
Speaker 13: I think a first round pick would have been unreasonable,

1938
01:37:49,760 --> 01:37:51,280
Speaker 13: even though obviously that would have loved for that to

1939
01:37:51,320 --> 01:37:52,280
Speaker 13: happen for the Bengals.

1940
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Speaker 3: You could be honest on this show, Sean, It's it's over.

1941
01:37:56,479 --> 01:37:58,120
Speaker 3: You could you could say it here, We're not gonna

1942
01:37:58,160 --> 01:38:01,160
Speaker 3: give it's it's three and six. They couldn't stop you

1943
01:38:01,200 --> 01:38:02,160
Speaker 3: and ten of your buddies.

1944
01:38:02,200 --> 01:38:02,639
Speaker 4: It's over.

1945
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Speaker 13: It's like, it's funny because you look at it, and

1946
01:38:06,720 --> 01:38:08,680
Speaker 13: when I watch the defensive film, it's like, all right, well,

1947
01:38:08,720 --> 01:38:10,400
Speaker 13: I could criticize and be like, all right, well this

1948
01:38:10,439 --> 01:38:12,040
Speaker 13: scheme is kind of simple overall.

1949
01:38:13,000 --> 01:38:15,080
Speaker 10: Damn football is the game of blocking and tackling. It

1950
01:38:15,160 --> 01:38:15,840
Speaker 10: really really is.

1951
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Speaker 13: That is what it is, and it is a game

1952
01:38:18,160 --> 01:38:20,160
Speaker 13: where the Bengals have not been great at tackling. I

1953
01:38:20,160 --> 01:38:22,680
Speaker 13: think they missed like fifteen tackles and then there was

1954
01:38:22,760 --> 01:38:24,639
Speaker 13: like over one hundred yards that the Bears were able

1955
01:38:24,680 --> 01:38:26,960
Speaker 13: to have after those mistackles.

1956
01:38:27,000 --> 01:38:30,360
Speaker 10: So you drop whatever you want on a whiteboard, Mel.

1957
01:38:30,520 --> 01:38:32,320
Speaker 13: If you're not able to tackle in the NFL, it's

1958
01:38:32,400 --> 01:38:34,800
Speaker 13: unfortunately going to be a pretty long day.

1959
01:38:34,840 --> 01:38:38,679
Speaker 3: Exactly Like I've talked about this this week. The problem

1960
01:38:38,800 --> 01:38:42,599
Speaker 3: is there's no nuance to it, right, Like I'd love

1961
01:38:42,680 --> 01:38:45,640
Speaker 3: to explore things that Al Golden can do with his

1962
01:38:45,760 --> 01:38:49,040
Speaker 3: personnel that can amplify the pass rush or help them

1963
01:38:49,040 --> 01:38:51,800
Speaker 3: in coverage right, or bring out some area of their

1964
01:38:51,800 --> 01:38:55,320
Speaker 3: defense make them better against the run. They're bad at everything, right,

1965
01:38:55,360 --> 01:38:57,879
Speaker 3: and they're bad at the basics. They're bad at tackling.

1966
01:38:58,360 --> 01:39:02,080
Speaker 3: And so when there's there's only one building block and

1967
01:39:02,360 --> 01:39:05,639
Speaker 3: every unit has deficiencies, and they're not good at anything

1968
01:39:05,680 --> 01:39:08,559
Speaker 3: and they can't master the basics like bringing the ball

1969
01:39:08,600 --> 01:39:11,679
Speaker 3: carrier to the ground. I bring you on to talk schemes,

1970
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Speaker 3: I it's.

1971
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Speaker 4: I don't know.

1972
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Speaker 5: I don't know where you start.

1973
01:39:14,800 --> 01:39:17,040
Speaker 3: And that's that to me is the frust I like

1974
01:39:17,120 --> 01:39:20,360
Speaker 3: talking about strategies and personnel and the nuance of football.

1975
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Speaker 5: There is no nuance to this.

1976
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Speaker 13: Yeah, no, But other than that, other than all of them,

1977
01:39:28,040 --> 01:39:30,559
Speaker 13: I look forward to say, you know, like the rest

1978
01:39:30,560 --> 01:39:32,599
Speaker 13: of the season, like, well, what are your building blocks?

1979
01:39:32,640 --> 01:39:35,519
Speaker 10: Like Turner? I feel good about where Turner is.

1980
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Speaker 13: Now, let's look at the younger guys, like what are

1981
01:39:37,160 --> 01:39:40,120
Speaker 13: you getting from Osai, from Stewart, from Hill? Just as

1982
01:39:40,160 --> 01:39:41,960
Speaker 13: you go through the rest of the way, Like, you know,

1983
01:39:42,000 --> 01:39:44,840
Speaker 13: you have to decide are your young linebackers? But these

1984
01:39:44,880 --> 01:39:46,600
Speaker 13: the guys you're gonna go forward with? Or is it

1985
01:39:46,640 --> 01:39:48,479
Speaker 13: you know next year we're gonna kind of be in

1986
01:39:48,520 --> 01:39:51,640
Speaker 13: the spot again because you know, the clock's ticking a

1987
01:39:51,640 --> 01:39:55,800
Speaker 13: little bit on this whole entire organization. It feels like

1988
01:39:55,840 --> 01:39:57,960
Speaker 13: I hate the idea that I got to sit and

1989
01:39:57,960 --> 01:39:59,920
Speaker 13: watch that awesome Joe Burrow Super.

1990
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Speaker 10: Bowl on and say, this is awesome. This is a wildcard.

1991
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Speaker 13: I think it was a wildcard team right that made

1992
01:40:04,640 --> 01:40:06,599
Speaker 13: that Like are they going to be able to get back?

1993
01:40:06,640 --> 01:40:08,240
Speaker 13: And if the answer is no, that I mean it's

1994
01:40:08,240 --> 01:40:10,479
Speaker 13: gonna be heartbreaking, like it really is when you consider

1995
01:40:10,560 --> 01:40:12,840
Speaker 13: all the talent on this team. Obviously, Now do I

1996
01:40:12,880 --> 01:40:14,600
Speaker 13: think this is a situation where hey, go be the

1997
01:40:14,680 --> 01:40:17,360
Speaker 13: Jets and literally sell every single thing you have and

1998
01:40:17,439 --> 01:40:19,840
Speaker 13: just stop pile picks and really run this kind of

1999
01:40:19,920 --> 01:40:22,080
Speaker 13: experiment to the end. No, it's obviously not like that, right,

2000
01:40:22,120 --> 01:40:23,880
Speaker 13: like there is light at the end of the tunnel.

2001
01:40:23,880 --> 01:40:26,599
Speaker 13: But I'm sure you know everyone is getting a little

2002
01:40:26,600 --> 01:40:29,000
Speaker 13: bit tired of saying, oh well next year, oh well

2003
01:40:29,040 --> 01:40:31,240
Speaker 13: next time. Oh if this guy stays healthy, maybe things

2004
01:40:31,240 --> 01:40:32,200
Speaker 13: will be a little bit different.

2005
01:40:32,439 --> 01:40:35,519
Speaker 3: Yeah, music says the clock is ticking on us. Sean.

2006
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Speaker 3: I'll send folks to the Stats and Scheme newsletters. Subscribe

2007
01:40:38,640 --> 01:40:43,439
Speaker 3: at suomer sports dot com sumer and maybe sumer Brain

2008
01:40:43,520 --> 01:40:45,560
Speaker 3: has a solution to what ails this franchise.

2009
01:40:45,600 --> 01:40:46,000
Speaker 4: I don't know.

2010
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Speaker 3: It's awesome to have you as always. I'm sorry to

2011
01:40:47,760 --> 01:40:50,400
Speaker 3: cut our time short, but well, well I'll have something

2012
01:40:50,439 --> 01:40:52,599
Speaker 3: to complain about next there's no game. Maybe we'll talk

2013
01:40:52,640 --> 01:40:54,719
Speaker 3: about good teams since good teams played this weekend.

2014
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Speaker 10: That would be fun. Appreciated bull talk soon.

2015
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Speaker 3: All right, that's our guy, Sean say its Stats and

2016
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2017
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2018
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