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Speaker 1: It's nice with Dan Ray ngoing Wheezy Boston's news radio.

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Speaker 2: All right, welcome back, everybody. There's a really ugly incident

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Speaker 2: that occurred in Boston on March eleventh, an individual who,

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Speaker 2: according to all accounts, committed to carjacking. I'm courting here

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Speaker 2: from the Boston Globe article written by Travis Anderson. Some

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Speaker 2: other reporters also contributed to the report of Leah Skeen

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Speaker 2: and Sean Sean Carter. Essentially, this is a Wednesday night,

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Speaker 2: around nine to March eleventh, in Boston's Mission Hill neighborhood.

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Speaker 2: The mother of a restaurant employee this is outside a

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Speaker 2: pizza restaurant who was parked outside, was approached by a

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Speaker 2: man who demanded the vehicle managers. To the Globe, about

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Speaker 2: fifteen minutes later, officers stopped the stolen car less than

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Speaker 2: a mile away at Linwood Square in Rocksby. Again. This

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Speaker 2: according to The Boston Globe, the driver ignored multiple verbal

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Speaker 2: commands as officers approached the car on foot, and then

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Speaker 2: tried to drive away. A nearby resident who witnessed the

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Speaker 2: shooting told the Globe the situation escalated extremely quickly at

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Speaker 2: the scene. Those the comments made by the police Commissioner

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Speaker 2: Michael Cox, was that the driver had ignored a quoted

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Speaker 2: in the Globe now multiple verbal commands as officers approached

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Speaker 2: the car on foot, and then tried to drive away.

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Speaker 2: According to a police report filed on Thursday, which would

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Speaker 2: have been the day after, King opened the car window

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Speaker 2: at the command of the police officers but did not

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Speaker 2: turn the vehicle off. Positioned outside the car the driver's

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Speaker 2: side window, Nicholas O'Malley, the Boston police officer, drew a

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Speaker 2: department issued paser and shouted, bro I'm going to blankety

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Speaker 2: blank shoot you. According to the police report, at that moment,

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Speaker 2: King backed into the cruiser behind him, then maneuvered the

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Speaker 2: vehicle forward and back in an attempt to escape the police.

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Speaker 2: According to the report, The story goes on to say

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Speaker 2: that as King started to drive forward again, O'Malley drew

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Speaker 2: his gun fired three shots to the driver's windows, striking King.

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Speaker 2: According to the report, King was taken to Boston hospital,

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Speaker 2: where he was pronounced dead immediately immediately after the shot.

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Speaker 2: The firing of the shot, O'Malley called over his radio

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Speaker 2: that officers were involved in his shooting, and the suspect

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Speaker 2: tried to run us over. That would be what's called

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Speaker 2: an excited utterance and probably would be admissible in any

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Speaker 2: sort of a case. He later told investigators he believed

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Speaker 2: the other officer was going to be qrushed by the

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Speaker 2: suspects vehicle, according to the report with me as Larry

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Speaker 2: called around. Larry is the president of the Boston Police

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Speaker 2: Patrolman's Association. I watched the officer O'Malley was arrested, and

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Speaker 2: there's no big there's no grand jury that considered the case. Arrested.

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Speaker 2: He was arraigned yesterday. He was charged with manslaughter, very

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Speaker 2: serious allegation, particularly against the police officer. Larry. I watched

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Speaker 2: you news confidence yesterday. I don't have a see I

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Speaker 2: don't think I've ever seen you as angry at a

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Speaker 2: news conference. You seem to be filled with what I

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Speaker 2: would characterize as righteous indignation. Is that an accurate characterization

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Speaker 2: of your demeanor yesterday?

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Speaker 3: That's pretty precise, Dan, And I'd like to tell you

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Speaker 3: that I've calmed down, but I don't think I really have.

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Speaker 3: As I visited the officer and his family today and

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Speaker 3: various role calls throughout the city to talk to the

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Speaker 3: men and women in uniform who they were all just depleted.

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Speaker 3: They're angry. They can't understand this case. Our in Boston

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Speaker 3: police commissioner was out there for a couple of days

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Speaker 3: saying how this thug that punched this woman in the

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Speaker 3: tubble let me stop or said, that is not what

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Speaker 3: the commissioner said. The commissioner said that our officer gave

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Speaker 3: verbal commands multiple times. The individual refused to listen. The

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Speaker 3: officer then he pulled his taser. Did state that he

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Speaker 3: was going to shoot the man with the taser. That

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Speaker 3: is a warning. That's to let him know in hopes

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Speaker 3: going to deploy a taser. That didn't work either. I

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Speaker 3: don't know if you caught the press conference, but the

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Speaker 3: individual only rolled the window down a tiny bit, but

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Speaker 3: continued to show his hands, not show his hands. Put

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Speaker 3: the police cruiser, all the time threatening the life of

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Speaker 3: the two officers who are continuing to give him verbal commands.

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Speaker 3: It is outrageous that this officer was arrested in several days,

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Speaker 3: no grand jury, no thorough investigation. I've been on the

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Speaker 3: things in that time, but always, always, when something of

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Speaker 3: this magnitude happens, there is a lengthy, thorough investigation. Every

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Speaker 3: and then the DA usually goes to the grand jury

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Speaker 3: to present evidence to then get an indictment or not.

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Speaker 3: In this case, instead, we have a district attorney who's grandstanding,

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Speaker 3: who is not following usual process or procedure. And what

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Speaker 3: I think he's doing is he's prejudicing the grand jury.

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Speaker 3: It will come up later. You arrest an officer, you

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Speaker 3: heard any evidence. This whole thing stinks. It's an election year,

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Speaker 3: and we're disgusted by it.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think you have every reason to feel that way.

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Speaker 2: I've known you a long time. I certainly know how

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Speaker 2: proud you are of your membership and the and the

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Speaker 2: quality of Boston Police officers. Every year, I think the

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Speaker 2: force gets younger, gets more diverse, and and I think

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Speaker 2: becomes a better police force for this city. I don't

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Speaker 2: know the officer in question. But he apparently began as

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Speaker 2: about your department about five years ago, the Boston Police

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Speaker 2: Department of five years ago. I've read nothing about him

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Speaker 2: which would suggest that he's anything other than a model

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Speaker 2: police officer. What what what can you tell us about

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Speaker 2: him without you know, prejuicing prejudicing the case.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you hit it spot on. He's a former Boston

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Speaker 3: Medical Center enforcement officer. He is a Provident, former Providence

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Speaker 3: police officer. He's been with us with the BPD just

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Speaker 3: over five years, so he's he's not a workie when

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Speaker 3: it comes to law enforcement. He knows, uh what. I

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Speaker 3: still consider the use of force continuum, even though I

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Speaker 3: know the department has some other fancy words for it,

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Speaker 3: but it basically it's it's a use of force level

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Speaker 3: that goes from one level to the next, starting with

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Speaker 3: escalate a situation until he loses sight of his partner.

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Speaker 3: Because the thug drive in the car, continues to put

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Speaker 3: has no choice but to try and save a life

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Speaker 3: of his partner. And here we are within seven days,

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Speaker 3: he's arrested and we have this dog and pony show

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Speaker 3: out front. He is the model police officer of community

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Speaker 3: policing in the city of Boston. Is this really is

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Speaker 2: Okay? I assume that this decease individual was instructed to

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Speaker 2: the officer requested him to do. Didn't comply with that correct.

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Speaker 3: Correct, multiple multiple verbal commands to continue to show his hands,

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Speaker 3: what killed police officers. There what kill innocent bystanders. That's

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Speaker 3: This man adhere to nothing. There was zero compliance down.

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Speaker 2: So I'm assuming I've read a little bit about this,

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Speaker 2: but I'm assuming that the individual who now sadly is

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it ended up coming out yesterday at the arrayment

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Speaker 3: of course. You know. Yeah, maybe they want to pretend

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Speaker 3: this guy is an innocent church goer, but he's not.

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Speaker 3: And I know that I called him a thug, and

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Speaker 3: there's a reason why he's a career criminal. Come to

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Speaker 3: find out, he has several open cases for assault. It's

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Speaker 3: a salt and battery, sultant battery on a sixty five

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Speaker 3: a church going citizen, is This is a man that

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Speaker 3: And when they found this individual, and when he turned

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Speaker 3: the de escalation. I know I've talked to you about

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Speaker 3: this before, and I want to get it out. Police

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Speaker 3: officers have been utilizing discretion for more than the thirty

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Speaker 3: We need to de escalate situations. We always have we

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Speaker 3: needs to get out, help us, help you. When the

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Speaker 3: show your hands, shut the car off, stop driving, because

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Speaker 3: then compliance and de escalation work together and everyone safe.

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Speaker 3: If you're not going to comply, then it's very difficult

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Speaker 3: to maintain a safe situation. And it needs to be said, Dan,

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Speaker 4: Officials won't say it. Nobody wants to talk about compliance.

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Speaker 4: It's not the office's fault. The office is a practice

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Speaker 4: and de escalation. They're protecting a servant, but they have

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Speaker 4: every right to go home safe and healthy like they

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Speaker 4: came to work, just like the people we protect.

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Speaker 2: Larry, what I need to do is I need to

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Speaker 2: take a quick break. When I come back, I'm going

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Speaker 2: to ask you a question.

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Speaker 5: Uh.

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Speaker 2: There's a concept which is called pardon me for saying

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Speaker 2: it like this, but suicide by cop and essentially I'm

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Speaker 2: wondering if your sense and we will never know because

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Speaker 2: we'll never have an opportunity, at least in this life

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Speaker 2: to talk with the gentleman who lost his life last

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Speaker 2: Wednesday night. My name is Dan Ray. This is Nightside.

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Speaker 2: If you'd like to join the conversation, I think you

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Speaker 2: hear it in Larry's voice, and I think he will

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Speaker 2: talk a little bit about what the morale is within

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Speaker 2: the department at this point. Six one, seven, two, five, four,

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Speaker 2: Those of the phone numbers feel free to join us.

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Speaker 2: Will be right back on nights Side.

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Speaker 1: It's Night Side with Dan Ray on Boston's news radio.

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Speaker 2: My guest is Larry called the rowan president of the

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Speaker 2: Boston Police Patrolman's Association, represents the rank and file about

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Speaker 2: fifteen sixteen hundred Boston Police officers. Dozens of them were

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Speaker 2: in court yesterday when the charges were filed against Boston

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Speaker 2: Police officer Nicholas O'Malley. Larry, I raised the issue with you,

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Speaker 2: and we only have a few minutes here before the

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Speaker 2: nine thirty news, and I'm going to take phone callers

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Speaker 2: right after the nine thirty news. But I have some familiarity,

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Speaker 2: having you know, worked with police over the years as

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Speaker 2: a television reporter the danger of the job. Having had relatives,

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Speaker 2: including a brother who was a sworn police officer, my

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Speaker 2: question is this begins to make me think that this

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Speaker 2: guy who sadly and tragically lost his life just realized

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Speaker 2: these outnumbers. And there's this concept called suicide by cop

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Speaker 2: where some people think there's some glory going out that way.

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Speaker 2: Does this Has that thought passed your mind in the

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Speaker 2: last twenty four to forty eight hours.

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Speaker 3: It has, And there's been some rumors out there, and

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Speaker 3: I don't want to be the one to spread them,

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Speaker 3: but you know, I understand there was a hospital gown

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Speaker 3: that by the DA statements that he did show his hands,

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Speaker 3: then he didn't show his hands, and then he put

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Speaker 3: don't know, it's possible it could be that situation, which

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Speaker 3: is why I was really strongly stressing compliance, please comply

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Speaker 3: suicide by cop. Unfortunately, if there's mental illness involved, which

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Speaker 3: we know that many times there is, it's a sad

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Speaker 3: situation and this is a tragedy I know I was

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Speaker 3: aggressive in my tone, and yeah I'm angry, but it's

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Speaker 3: justified anger. Damn. You know the rank and file, they're

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Speaker 3: depleted and they feel absolutely alone here as this is

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Speaker 3: the cold and mistreated. This this jump in decision by

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Speaker 3: the DAH, the ADA, with his so called perception and

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Speaker 3: investigation within a couple of quick days into how the

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Speaker 3: around an awful long time. No investigation happens this quickly,

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Speaker 3: and I really don't care what the ADA thinks. Sitting

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Speaker 3: The body camera does not see what the police officers

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Speaker 3: the human emotion that's going on, doesn't take into consideration

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Speaker 3: the totality of the circumstances at stand. Yeah, shows a video.

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Speaker 3: But to have an assistant District Attorney who's supposed to

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Speaker 3: Monday morning, trying to say that he knows how that

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Speaker 3: That's an embarrassment. That's an embarrassment to him into the

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Speaker 2: Well, I also think that you have to take into

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Speaker 2: consideration the context of the stop. This is not a

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Speaker 2: situation where some kid is in a stolen car. If

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Speaker 2: some fifteen year old kid is in a stolen car

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Speaker 2: at him, he's going by, there's nobody in danger there.

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Speaker 2: You could argue that potentially other drivers might be in danger.

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Speaker 2: But this is a situation where this guy is confronted

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Speaker 2: by police officers after having assaulted and a woman who

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Speaker 2: had did nothing to deserve that. Where's the empathy. Where's

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Speaker 2: the district attorney's empathy for the citizens of Boston, As

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Speaker 2: he said, a mother trying to pick up her sixteen

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Speaker 2: at a pizza parlor on a school night, it's everyone's priority.

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Speaker 2: It seems to me is totally backwards here. I mean,

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Speaker 2: the district protect protect the citizens of Boston, The Larabody

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Speaker 2: that he died, and I have no idea did they

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Speaker 2: do toxology on this guy. I would hope they did

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Speaker 2: of that, but that's one thing that you've got to

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Speaker 2: his behavior alone is insane. He's off his rocker there,

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Speaker 2: and to use a two thousand pound vehicle as a

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Speaker 2: potential threat against police officers, what do you expect the

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Speaker 2: get out of your wave so you don't have difficulty

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Speaker 2: exiting from this area. We're sorry to have bothered you,

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Speaker 2: and would you please return the car maybe when you know,

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Speaker 2: when the gas runs down? What the world do we

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Speaker 3: Larry, It's really begutten to a point that it's insanity.

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Speaker 3: It's accepted insanity to think that we're just supposed to

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Speaker 3: let every flea and felling go this Like you say,

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Speaker 3: he punched a mother in the face picking up her

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Speaker 3: sixteen year old daughter. Police officers already at a heightened alert.

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Speaker 3: If you are going to assault a woman, steal her,

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Speaker 3: cop beat her, or throw her down, you would think

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Speaker 3: nothing of hurting somebody else. So of course officers are

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Speaker 3: they still had the wherewithal to you, their verbal commands

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Speaker 3: de escalate with no help of compliance. And then I

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Speaker 3: just don't understand the district attorney, who's supposed to be

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Speaker 3: absolutely ridiculous to think that they've come to this conclusion

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Speaker 3: thirty years, it takes months to get to a conclusion.

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Speaker 3: Just to go to the grand jury.

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Speaker 2: Has an example area and I got to go to

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Speaker 2: break here. But the bus driver that ran over the

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Speaker 2: little boy Lynz Joseph last April twenty seventh, as the

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Speaker 2: He had allowed his certificate to expire. And the biggest

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Speaker 2: thing they come up with was, you know, again, involuntary manslaughter.

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Speaker 2: The kid got off the bus and within five seconds

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Speaker 2: the kid was dead in front of the bus. Ten

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Speaker 2: what happened in this case.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and that is an awful situation, Dan, But you know,

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Speaker 3: the point is very well taken by everybody. Ten months

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Speaker 3: to six days. This dog and pony show he's putting

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Speaker 3: on as the election gets close, all it's doing is

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Speaker 2: Well, I'll tell you what. We're going to take a

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Speaker 2: quick break. We got news break. I got plenty of

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Speaker 2: phone calls that love some more. Six. The only line

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Speaker 2: if you're not outraged by the speed with which these

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Speaker 2: this charge has been brought. This officer, even though he's

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Speaker 2: We will keep going here on Night Side. This is

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Speaker 2: a this is a case what we will continue to

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Speaker 2: talk on, and we'll finish this hour with Larry. We'll

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Speaker 2: change topics at ten o'clock. But if you want to

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Speaker 1: It's Night Side with Dan Ray on w Boston's news radio.

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Speaker 2: I guess is Larry called ther own, president of the

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Speaker 2: Boston Police Patrolman's Association. We're talking about the arrest of

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Speaker 2: Boston Police officer Nicholas O'Malley for the alleged manslaughter of

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Speaker 2: an individual a week ago on March eleventh. I want

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Speaker 2: to bring first up a fellow police officer whose name

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Speaker 2: is Kathy. Kathy, welcome to Night'side. Thank you for calling

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Speaker 2: in as a police officer. I want to put you

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Speaker 6: Hi, thanks for taking my call. I just wanted to ask,

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Speaker 7: I mean, look at what happened today at.

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Speaker 2: have easily been Boston police officers who add to this

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Speaker 7: Correct.

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Speaker 6: It just it feels like there's been a huge, a

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Speaker 6: I just I feel like there's been nothing to be addressed,

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Speaker 2: Well, that's that's that's a secondary your primary consideration. Are

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Speaker 5: I am, are.

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Speaker 2: You more apprehensive uh in the situations that you might

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Speaker 2: find yourself in? Because it seems to me it's a

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Speaker 7: And if you I lost you there for a second.

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Speaker 8: I am you what?

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Speaker 6: I lost you there for just a minute.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So no one I was asking you was do

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Speaker 5: Uh?

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Speaker 2: And that your hesitations could put you in greater danger

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Speaker 2: hesitations could put fellow officers and and might embolden the

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Speaker 2: the bad guys who you have to confront out there

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Speaker 2: on behalf of the citizenry.

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Speaker 8: Absolutely, Jasy, thank you.

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Speaker 2: For what you do. Please stay safe and tell your

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Speaker 9: I appreciate that.

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Speaker 2: Thanks, Kathy Larry. I guess that you've heard similar stories

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I sympathize in my hetsbroke and listening

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Speaker 3: And she's a police officer and she's telling you how

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Speaker 3: a police officer involved shooting in Weymouth the other night.

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Speaker 3: We had I mean, what happened with that butcher knife

436
00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:59,280
Speaker 3: at the tea today and ended up being a fight.

437
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Speaker 3: I don't know if it's out there yet, but there's

438
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Speaker 3: accusations that the officer's gun went off because of a

439
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Speaker 3: struggle and that the guy with the knife tried to

440
00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:10,440
Speaker 3: pull the officer's firearm, and that it's just a total

441
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Speaker 3: lack of respectful law enforcement on the street in general,

442
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Speaker 3: and our elected officials that are out there pedal in

443
00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:22,679
Speaker 3: that puke. They are not helping. They're making Boston in

444
00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:27,000
Speaker 3: any area they represent, less safe. It is not okay

445
00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:31,520
Speaker 3: to ignore and not comply police officers commands, lawful commands.

446
00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:34,399
Speaker 3: It is not okay to drive away from a scene

447
00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:36,480
Speaker 3: after punching a woman in a face and assault and

448
00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:39,040
Speaker 3: her kid and stealing her car. It is not okay

449
00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:41,240
Speaker 3: to fight a police officer and try to get their

450
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Speaker 3: weapon ultimately to shoot them. We need people to start

451
00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:49,119
Speaker 3: to start thinking and speaking with common sense and go

452
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Speaker 3: back to what we used to learn as children. Police

453
00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:55,840
Speaker 3: officers in uniform are your friends. They're the person you

454
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Speaker 3: seek out when you're lost on the street or you

455
00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:01,000
Speaker 3: need help. They are not the one that you just

456
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Speaker 3: decide to give the finger or drive away or not.

457
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Speaker 2: But if you're if you're if you're a career criminal

458
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Speaker 2: or a frequent flyer as I refer to them, and

459
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Speaker 2: you've had nothing but bad involvement, and if you're looking

460
00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:18,359
Speaker 2: at maybe some complications on trime, i'd like to see

461
00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:22,119
Speaker 2: a full report on this guy. Who was he? Was

462
00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:25,560
Speaker 2: he out on parole? Was he look? Was he was

463
00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:29,200
Speaker 2: he perhaps in jeopardy of being pulled back into the system. Larry,

464
00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:30,600
Speaker 2: I got full line, so I'm trying to get.

465
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Speaker 3: His Yeah, take one, Let's take one.

466
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Speaker 2: Let's take one. Let's go Ronnie and Rosendale. Ronnie next

467
00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:36,920
Speaker 2: on light on night Side with Larry called her own

468
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Speaker 2: president of the Boston Police Patrolman's Association. Go ahead, Ronnie, Hi, Dan.

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Speaker 5: Hi, Larry. First off, I have to say I am

470
00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:47,440
Speaker 5: so sorry for Nick O'Malley and his family. It makes

471
00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:50,959
Speaker 5: my blood boil to think what that poor family is

472
00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:54,400
Speaker 5: going through. But tonight, Dan, I have to take issue

473
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Speaker 5: with the district attorney calling this incident a tragedy. Forgive me,

474
00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:02,400
Speaker 5: but the last time I checked, when misfortune or injury

475
00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:07,320
Speaker 5: befalls an innocent bystander, that's tragic. But the suspect in

476
00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:10,480
Speaker 5: this case, and Larry, you said it far from innocent,

477
00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:15,879
Speaker 5: caused and created the dangerous circumstances that led to his death.

478
00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:19,800
Speaker 5: At one point, Larry and Dan, that's a suspect in

479
00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:24,480
Speaker 5: this case. There's some semblance of blame and responsibility for

480
00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:28,920
Speaker 5: as you said, Larry, his refusal to comply. I'm angry.

481
00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:33,160
Speaker 5: I appreciate our police and death. District Attorney Hayden should

482
00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:34,320
Speaker 5: resign tomorrow.

483
00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:37,200
Speaker 2: There may be a lot of people in the city

484
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Speaker 2: of Boston who feel that way. And if this does

485
00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:42,440
Speaker 2: turn out to be some sort of a political gambit

486
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Speaker 2: by the district attorney, who is not accessible, I'd like

487
00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:49,360
Speaker 2: to get him on and talk about it. But of

488
00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:54,160
Speaker 2: course he will hide behind the claim that, well, this

489
00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:57,920
Speaker 2: is an ongoing investigation. Well it's not much of an investigation.

490
00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:01,960
Speaker 2: It took him ten months to to indict for involuntary

491
00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:05,600
Speaker 2: manslaughter the school bus driver who was driving without his

492
00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:09,360
Speaker 2: certificate and who ran over a five year old little

493
00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:14,560
Speaker 2: boy in Hyde Park, Lenz Joseph, who had gotten off

494
00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:18,600
Speaker 2: his bus five seconds before, and what actually was on

495
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:21,040
Speaker 2: the wrong side of the street, because this bus driver

496
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:23,120
Speaker 2: had no idea where the boy was supposed to be

497
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:25,480
Speaker 2: dropped off, which was safely on the other side of

498
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Speaker 2: the street.

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Speaker 3: It's amazing again, Dan, I want to jump in there

500
00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:34,200
Speaker 3: to Ronnie. Thank you. I appreciate the passion, and I

501
00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:35,440
Speaker 3: appreciate your standing up.

502
00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:37,400
Speaker 5: Thank you and all your officers.

503
00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:41,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I have one back for you, the district

504
00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:45,560
Speaker 3: attorney a DA that rushes into an investigation like this.

505
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:49,160
Speaker 3: What my officers are asking is you have to wonder

506
00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:53,240
Speaker 3: how many other investigations and decisions based on such quick,

507
00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:57,000
Speaker 3: shoddy investigatory work. What other cases has he brought in

508
00:29:57,000 --> 00:30:00,320
Speaker 3: in six days? Has he arrested others in six days

509
00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:03,800
Speaker 3: before going to a grand jury. It's very interesting questions

510
00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:05,600
Speaker 3: to ask the DA if we can ever get to

511
00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:06,000
Speaker 3: him now?

512
00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:10,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think, And again we call up, for example,

513
00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:13,680
Speaker 2: the DASPR people all the time, and all of these folks. Well,

514
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:16,840
Speaker 2: he's not available tonight, Oh, thank you very much. What

515
00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:19,240
Speaker 2: about tomorrow night? Oh I don't think you'll be available

516
00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:22,400
Speaker 2: tomorrow night either. What about next week? Any nights next week?

517
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:25,920
Speaker 3: I mean busy investigating, He's be be investigating.

518
00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:32,680
Speaker 8: Guy, Yes, you got it all rights.

519
00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:32,960
Speaker 2: All right? Thanks Ronnie. I'm sure that that heartens them.

520
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:36,760
Speaker 2: And you're a citizen in Boston, so I hope they

521
00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:38,600
Speaker 2: put you on the grand jury. Thanks Ronnie.

522
00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:40,080
Speaker 5: Thanks you guys.

523
00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:43,560
Speaker 2: We take a quick break. Larry be back right with

524
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Speaker 2: some more phone calls six one seven, two, five, four

525
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Speaker 2: ten thirty one line there, and there's one line at

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Speaker 2: six one seven nine three, one, ten thirty. Well, the

527
00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:54,080
Speaker 2: two five four just filled up. The lines are are

528
00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:56,960
Speaker 2: are smoking right now, Larry, we'll be back on night side.

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Speaker 1: You're on night side with Dan Ray. I'm telling you

530
00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:02,560
Speaker 1: bas Boston's news.

531
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:07,600
Speaker 2: Radio back with Larry called her own Boston Police Patrolman's Association.

532
00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:11,560
Speaker 2: Let's get back to calls here. The lines are just packed.

533
00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:15,160
Speaker 2: Let me go to Mary Beth in Boston. Mary Beth,

534
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:23,240
Speaker 2: you're next on nightside. Welcome Mary Bethie there. We'll put

535
00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:24,959
Speaker 2: Mary Beth on hold and we'll get back to her

536
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:26,680
Speaker 2: in a moment. Please put her on hold, if you'd

537
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:30,080
Speaker 2: be so kind. Troy. Okay, let me go to Lee

538
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:37,000
Speaker 2: and Quincy. Lee, you're next on nightside. Okay. If Lee's

539
00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:40,040
Speaker 2: not there, we'll put Lee on hold. Good thing, we

540
00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:43,440
Speaker 2: have full lines. Let me go to let's see if

541
00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:46,200
Speaker 2: Mary Beth is back. Is Mary Beth there, Let's give

542
00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:50,440
Speaker 2: it a second shot. Mary Beth, I'm here, Okay, go

543
00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:52,400
Speaker 2: right ahead. You're wrong with Larry called he wrong? Go ahead,

544
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:52,880
Speaker 2: Mary Beth.

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00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:55,960
Speaker 7: I would like to know how are we supposed to

546
00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:58,480
Speaker 7: feel safe in the city If the police officers in

547
00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:01,360
Speaker 7: the city of Boston or any able to do their job.

548
00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:04,200
Speaker 7: If they're going to be arrested every time they do

549
00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:08,120
Speaker 7: the correct action, well.

550
00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:11,160
Speaker 2: Larry, you take that shot. Suffice to say, I certainly

551
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:15,640
Speaker 2: would hope that there would be a close investigation. And

552
00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:19,400
Speaker 2: I'm not making a judgment. I'm just putting the facts

553
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:21,800
Speaker 2: out there as we know then that this police officer

554
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:24,400
Speaker 2: has a good record as a police officer, a young

555
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:28,160
Speaker 2: guy invested in the city, and the fellow who sadly

556
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:30,880
Speaker 2: lost his life apparently was not his first interaction with

557
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:33,840
Speaker 2: law enforcement. Larry go right ahead, answered Mary Beth's question.

558
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:36,640
Speaker 3: Please yet, Mary Beth, thank you for Colin, thank you

559
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:39,520
Speaker 3: for holding on too. We can get a minute. And

560
00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:44,400
Speaker 3: the words, the words of worry are fully understandable. How

561
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:47,360
Speaker 3: can you feel safe when you have a district attorney

562
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:52,000
Speaker 3: who takes months to thoroughly investigate most cases, and then,

563
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:54,760
Speaker 3: I don't know, six seven months before an election and an

564
00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:58,480
Speaker 3: election year, decides that he's going to solve this case

565
00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:02,360
Speaker 3: in six days, arrest officer, forget the grand jury, and

566
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:07,080
Speaker 3: rush forward with the press conference. I think that left caller,

567
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:09,600
Speaker 3: one of the callers might have said it great. Maybe

568
00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:12,200
Speaker 3: the d A. Hayden must resign, Maybe he should resign

569
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:16,240
Speaker 3: maybe he's rushing the judgment, and how can how can

570
00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:19,480
Speaker 3: you feel safe, Mary Beth? If if police officers can't

571
00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:22,320
Speaker 3: do their job and keep the general public safe and

572
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:26,680
Speaker 3: can't have expectations of the district attorney to at least

573
00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:32,440
Speaker 3: perform a thorough and lengthy investigation before changing his process

574
00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:35,320
Speaker 3: and jump into conclusions, I don't know how any police

575
00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:37,480
Speaker 3: officer feels that they can do their job. And what

576
00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:40,480
Speaker 3: that means is them not doing their job as well

577
00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:44,200
Speaker 3: as they should and could means it's less safe out

578
00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:46,160
Speaker 3: there for the people that are walking the street. So

579
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:51,080
Speaker 3: I really hope that our officers are not second guessing

580
00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:55,520
Speaker 3: themselves on the street, that are not gonna second guess

581
00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:57,880
Speaker 3: the way they respond to citizens for help. I mean,

582
00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:00,840
Speaker 3: I don't hear any outrage at all from any elected

583
00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:04,080
Speaker 3: officials or anybody about this mother that was punched in

584
00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:06,520
Speaker 3: the face or her sixteen year old daughter that she's

585
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:09,480
Speaker 3: picking up on a school night. Where is the outrage

586
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:13,000
Speaker 3: for the victim? Why is the district attorney not talking

587
00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:15,720
Speaker 3: about the victim in this matter? Yeah, it's a tragedy.

588
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:20,279
Speaker 3: Somebody lost their life, but Ronnie's right compliance show us

589
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:25,200
Speaker 3: your hands, listen, lawful orders help police officers help you, which,

590
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:29,120
Speaker 3: in turn, Mary Beeth, keep the citizenry safe. I truly

591
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:31,279
Speaker 3: wish you the best, and thank you for calling.

592
00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:33,520
Speaker 2: Be Thank you very much for the call. Thank you

593
00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:35,320
Speaker 2: so much for the call. I got a bunch of lines,

594
00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:38,160
Speaker 2: so I want to get everybody if possible. I'm going

595
00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:40,480
Speaker 2: to try Lee and Quincy. Lee was not there before.

596
00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:41,640
Speaker 2: I hope is there now.

597
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:42,319
Speaker 8: I'm here now.

598
00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:44,120
Speaker 2: I've got to be quick for me. Lee, you gotta

599
00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:44,920
Speaker 2: be quick, go ahead.

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Speaker 8: No, I'm just really upset with Maya Woo. She said

601
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:51,680
Speaker 8: that she was grateful, instead of saying, oh, let's do

602
00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:57,480
Speaker 8: an investigation. It's a sad story. You could see what

603
00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:00,800
Speaker 8: police have to go through every day. She said, she's grateful.

604
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:04,960
Speaker 8: She is a vicious, repulsive little woman, is what she is.

605
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:07,640
Speaker 8: And she's a disgrace to Boston.

606
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:11,480
Speaker 2: All right, you got that outly, I'm going to keep

607
00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:14,560
Speaker 2: rolling here. Thank you very much for your calling, your expression.

608
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:19,400
Speaker 2: You know, if the district attorney is using his office

609
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:24,080
Speaker 2: for political purpose, that is an abusive power. That's also

610
00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:27,280
Speaker 2: illegal as well. So I hope that is not the case.

611
00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:29,279
Speaker 2: Let me go to fill in Boston. Phil got to

612
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:31,000
Speaker 2: be quick for me. We're getting tight on time.

613
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:33,560
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think, I know. I just want one know

614
00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:37,279
Speaker 5: why that he's in the term DA. They never use

615
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:38,000
Speaker 5: the guy's name.

616
00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:39,000
Speaker 8: I don't know who he was.

617
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:41,120
Speaker 5: And is this an elected position?

618
00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:41,839
Speaker 2: Yes?

619
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Speaker 5: It is?

620
00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:45,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, six year, six years in office if you get

621
00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:45,879
Speaker 2: elected to a.

622
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:47,840
Speaker 5: Full term in Suffolk County.

623
00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:52,000
Speaker 2: In Suffolk County, that's right. So is his name is

624
00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:54,680
Speaker 2: Hayden is the district attorney. You'll have a chance to

625
00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:57,440
Speaker 2: vote for him or if someone chooses to run against him,

626
00:35:57,719 --> 00:36:00,000
Speaker 2: we'll see. It's been, it's been in office. That is

627
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:06,240
Speaker 2: had some interesting characters recently. Rachel Rollins was his predecessor. Uh,

628
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:12,760
Speaker 2: and I haven't had uh, you know, Boston native since

629
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:14,480
Speaker 2: Dan Connelly was in office.

630
00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:16,200
Speaker 3: So yeah, it was good these table.

631
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:22,200
Speaker 5: It's literally the companies, the country's unraveling.

632
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:25,560
Speaker 2: No one can Okay, let's let's let's stay focused on this.

633
00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:27,440
Speaker 2: Phill is always I appreciate it. But I got to

634
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:28,520
Speaker 2: get a couple.

635
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:28,879
Speaker 6: Of wear in here.

636
00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:33,240
Speaker 2: About that, No problem, No problem. Tom is in Revere.

637
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:35,200
Speaker 2: That's part of Suffolk County as well. Tom next on

638
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:36,000
Speaker 2: NIGHTSAGA right.

639
00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:42,800
Speaker 3: Ahead, called around, Yes, sir, what I have? If I

640
00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:44,120
Speaker 3: might go off topic, A little bit.

641
00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:45,640
Speaker 9: What have happened to mister ne.

642
00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:49,480
Speaker 2: You know that is off topic. We're trying to talk

643
00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:52,240
Speaker 2: about the O'Malley case. Okay, So I have no idea

644
00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:53,680
Speaker 2: and I don't want to spend time. I want to

645
00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:55,960
Speaker 2: focus on what we're talking about tonight. Thank you. Let

646
00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:58,360
Speaker 2: me go to Ann in San Antonio, Texas, and you

647
00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:00,279
Speaker 2: may be the last caller of night.

648
00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:06,520
Speaker 9: Go ahead, good evening, gentlemen. I'm so sorry for mister

649
00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:08,240
Speaker 9: I'm sorry.

650
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:11,560
Speaker 2: Who's the name of the officer who's been charged?

651
00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:17,480
Speaker 9: Yes, go ahead, you come on this district attorney. People

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Speaker 9: need to know that you need we need our police.

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Speaker 9: My niece is a policeman down here in San Antonio

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Speaker 9: and to her second year we back are blue. We

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Speaker 9: did have a DA recently who's been voted out of

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Speaker 9: office that tried soft on crime policies and they booted

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Speaker 9: them out. The police union made such a and the

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Speaker 9: police made such a stint, thankfully and derelicting his duty.

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Speaker 2: All right, thank you. I appreciate again trying to get

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Speaker 2: back on topic here tonight. Thank you so much for

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Speaker 2: your call. I appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: Larry.

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Speaker 2: We have run out of time. There's callers in the

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Speaker 2: line who unfortunately we weren't able to get to. We

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Speaker 2: are going to change topics, but we're going to stay

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Speaker 2: on top of this. Larry. I appreciate your what seems

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Speaker 2: to me, I heard righteous indignation tonight from you, and

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Speaker 2: and under the circumstances, I know, let's let the facts

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Speaker 2: come out, let's see what happens here. But but we

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Speaker 2: got to make sure that there's fairness and due process

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Speaker 2: for everybody involved. And I do wish that the gentleman

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Speaker 2: who has was who's died. I do wish that he

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Speaker 2: had had the common sense and the wherewithal in the

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Speaker 2: presence of mind to have cooperated with the police officers

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Speaker 2: and we wouldn't be talking about this so well.

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Speaker 3: Dan, I'm going to say thanks for having me on.

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Speaker 3: As always, I heard your indignation again, but I'm going

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Speaker 3: to go with justified anger. It is justified anger. Members.

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Speaker 3: Our members are upset, our members feel left out. This

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Speaker 3: guy is very unjustly being put on this pedestal for

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Speaker 3: whatever political nonsense RUSS to judgment reason this is. But

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Speaker 3: it is that the loss of life is a tragedy.

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Speaker 3: But what they're doing to this officer and to the

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Speaker 3: men and women that keep Boston safe. If not the

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Speaker 3: safest city in America, I mean, I don't know how

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Speaker 3: long we'll be the safest city in America if this

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Speaker 3: is the District attorney's idea of protecting police officers. So

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Speaker 3: I appreciate the time on your show as always, and

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Speaker 3: you please be safe, and don't forget Nina Giannino, who's

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Speaker 3: a staunch listener and supporter of not only you, but

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Speaker 3: all the men and women that I support here too.

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Speaker 2: All right, Larry, we will keep in touch on this

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Speaker 2: that I promise you. Thank you very much, have a

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Speaker 2: good night. When we get back, we're going to talk

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Speaker 2: about dangerous roadways. There was an interesting survey done recently,

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Speaker 2: and we're going to sort of lighten it up a

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Speaker 2: little bit as we head into the ten o'clock hour

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Speaker 2: and the twentieth hour, we're going to talk about spring

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Speaker 2: is the best time of year. What is your favorite

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Speaker 2: part of spring? Coming back on Night's Side after the

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Speaker 2: ten