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Speaker 1: KRCD Talk station, a twenty eight to fifty five KRSCD

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Speaker 1: talk station. Happy Tuesday always made extra special with the

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Speaker 1: return of retired Lieutenant Colonel Daniel Davis doing what we

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Speaker 1: all call the Daniel Davis Deep Dive. You can find

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Speaker 1: his podcast or you get your podcast, because I'm not

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Speaker 1: the only one who talks about throughout the week, but

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Speaker 1: I'm glad we get the opportunity to chat. Welcome back

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Speaker 1: to the fifty five krc Morning Show, my friend Daniel Davis.

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Speaker 2: Always a pleasure to be here.

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Speaker 1: Brian, Well, see if you can work this out for

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Speaker 1: me and apparently everybody else. What's going on now? On Saturday,

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Speaker 1: Trump said the US military would start launching strikes on

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Speaker 1: the country's energy infrastructure if no progress was made within

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Speaker 1: forty eight hours. Regarding reopening the straight of Horror moves

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Speaker 1: now yesterday he said, well, hold on, I'm pausing those

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Speaker 1: attacks for five days because I've had productive of talks

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Speaker 1: with Iran. Now depending upon this is the danger of

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Speaker 1: reading headlines, Daniel Davis. On one headline, you'll say Donald

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Speaker 1: Trump has successful or you know, positive talks with Iran.

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Speaker 1: Then the next headline iron says nobody's talking to us, Well,

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Speaker 1: it depends on who you're talking to. Things are in

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Speaker 1: a state of surrey in the Iran with the Iranian

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Speaker 1: regime leaders being knocked off. We had that initial missile

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Speaker 1: strike which wiped out a big chunk of the higher

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Speaker 1: echelon Iranian leaders. They had the naming of a new

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Speaker 1: Supreme leader, this Mojaba Khamani guy, which many people are

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Speaker 1: So his faction, the Iranian state media, is saying nobody's

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Speaker 1: talking with Kamani, he's never talked with him. But Donald

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Speaker 1: Trump says, no, We're dealing with a man who I

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Speaker 1: believe is the most respected and the leader. So Trump

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Speaker 1: and his people apparently talking with someone with the Iranian regime,

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Speaker 1: but not the Supreme leader who's in control and who

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Speaker 1: is capable of even sitting down and discussing with US

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Speaker 1: or Israeli or anybody else settlement or peace or opening

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Speaker 1: up the straight Daniel Davis, do you have any ideas

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Speaker 1: on that one.

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Speaker 2: Well, listen, a lot of the confusion comes from reading

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Speaker 2: Western press. There's no confusion coming out of any of

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Speaker 2: the Iranian side here. In fact, I spoke yesterday with

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Speaker 2: a professor at the University of Tehran. I also spoke

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Speaker 2: with Jeremy Scahill of drop site News, who had been

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Speaker 2: in extensive conversations with a number of Iranian leaders and

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Speaker 2: then they had put out on their own social media

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Speaker 2: they have one side there, and they said that there

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Speaker 2: are no negotiations, there are no talks, and what indirect

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Speaker 2: talks they are, which they acknowledged through intermedias or Egypt

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Speaker 2: and Qatar have some pretty harsh terms of their own.

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Speaker 2: It seems to be the US side that's confusing what

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Speaker 2: it is, and we're claiming, oh, it's not Mosted, but

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Speaker 2: it's actually somebody else. President Trump said it's some senior

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Speaker 2: person that I'm not going to name. But the Iranian

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Speaker 2: sense says, no, there's just one guy in charge here,

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Speaker 2: and there's many officials, just like there are in the

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Speaker 2: United States State Department, Department, Defense, the White House, etc.

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Speaker 2: So I think that we're making more of this in

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Speaker 2: the Western media than is the case, because the issue

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Speaker 2: really isn't who's talking to who so much as it

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Speaker 2: is what are the sides saying, Regardless of who on

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Speaker 2: the Uranian side, you're talking to what are they saying

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Speaker 2: and what is the US said, And we still have

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Speaker 2: a situation with radically different ideas about what a negotiated

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Speaker 2: settlement even looks like. Ironically, and perversely, if I could

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Speaker 2: two days before this thing blew up, and now then

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Speaker 2: the idea that we want to go back to something

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Speaker 2: like that, it just seems pretty unlikely to me, because

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Speaker 2: right now Iran has leverageovers that they didn't have before.

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Speaker 2: So it seems pretty unlikely that they're going to just

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Speaker 2: give in because they get bombed for you know, three

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Speaker 2: weeks or whatever it's been up to this point. Iran

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Speaker 2: has shown they can suffer a long time. They suffer

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Speaker 2: through eight years of the Iran Iraq War, they suffer

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Speaker 2: I don't think we understand the nature of our adversary well.

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Speaker 1: And I've drawn the parallel the analogy that it's you know,

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Speaker 2: Right well, I mean it depends on how you define

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Speaker 2: which is why we've released sanctions on Russia while we

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Speaker 2: shows you the real name and how concerned we are

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Speaker 1: Out and recognizing Iron's got this stranglehold of the Strait

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Speaker 1: to sink those ships. Clearly it's shut it down. That's

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Speaker 1: world suffering mightily because of it. But to that point,

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Speaker 1: not mine. But that's another country that would benefit from

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Speaker 1: opening the Straight of Horror moves. Now, as much as

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Speaker 2: What I don't, and I don't think we can also

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Speaker 2: As much as people like to say there was an

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Speaker 2: But here's the thing, there is no military solution to

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Speaker 2: in there with the navy. There's a reason why our

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Speaker 2: All it's going to do is create more targets for

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Speaker 2: the Iranian capabilities to shoot at here. And that's why

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Speaker 2: no one has done it to include us. That shows

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Speaker 1: Solve well, and recognizing the rate of inflation going in

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Speaker 1: don't know how they can rebound from something like this. Well,

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you though, Brian, here's the problem. If that

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Speaker 2: It's regime change. It's the destruction of the regime is

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Speaker 2: what we're going for, and so we have made it

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Speaker 2: actually so far they have been getting more out. It's

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Speaker 2: very strange. It's like four hundred thousand barrels a day

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Speaker 2: So make that make sense. But the bottom line is,

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Speaker 2: the regime would fall. So now that they as your

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Speaker 1: Well interesting up at piece by Gerard Baker that I

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Speaker 1: asymmetric war. Yes, our military might overwhelms the Iranian military might,

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Speaker 1: but they they will decline. Winning for the Iranians would

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Speaker 2: Important point the military balance of power. When you look

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Speaker 2: there's no question about it. And you add in Israel

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Speaker 2: set a very very high bar, which in my view

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Speaker 2: have enormous advantages territorially and geographically. And so we have

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Speaker 2: going to get rid of the nuclear capabilities, and then

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Speaker 2: we're going to get rid of their long range missiles

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Speaker 2: and their proxy forces. Those are targets that we have

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Speaker 2: set the militarily. Those are just nearly impossible to gain,

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Speaker 2: at least in any kind of a short term. Meanwhile,

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Speaker 2: They have to survive politically to remain viable, and then

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Speaker 2: they have to have a viable military sustained rate of

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Speaker 2: fire with missiles and with their drones. They don't have

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Speaker 2: Israel or anything else. They just got to stay vible

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Speaker 2: and just keep on shooting and keep on hitting targets,

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Speaker 2: which they're doing. Then they will eventually politically win, just

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Speaker 2: like the Taliban outlasted US, just like Vietnam. Vietnam outlasted

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Speaker 1: Well, that seems been sort of the kind of ad

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this is not something new to Trump administration. Now

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Speaker 1: Guess what's inside of that.

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Speaker 2: But it's one of those where the chickens come home

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Speaker 1: I suppose turnabout's fair play. We do that all the

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Speaker 1: time with foreign conflicts, don't we, Daniel Davis? So what

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Speaker 1: the CIA's for, right, Daniel Davis well, Daniel Davis, Deeve Di,

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Speaker 2: it's untrue, and because we said ardy it is true.

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Speaker 2: And that's exactly what I see. And if you're just

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Speaker 2: air defense systems, the straight remains closed. Our navy hasn't

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Speaker 2: gone in. So if you're looking at what the reality is, you.

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Speaker 1: Can make your own definitions. That boils it down quite nicely.

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Speaker 1: And I appreciate your addressing that. Daniel Davis. We'll do

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Speaker 1: this again next Tuesday, Daniel Davis, Deep Dive, wherever you

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