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Speaker 1: Welcome to Get Connected with Nina del Rio, a weekly

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Speaker 1: conversation about fitness, health and happenings in our community on

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Speaker 1: one oh six point seven light FM.

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Speaker 2: Good morning and thanks for listening to Get Connected. What

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Speaker 2: if genius isn't something you're born with, it's something you

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Speaker 2: build everyday. Genius, the book by six time USA Memory

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Speaker 2: Champion Nelson Dellis, is a book to upgrade your brain

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Speaker 2: using practical skills, whether it's memorizing names and faces, doing

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Speaker 2: lightning fast mental math, honing decision, intuition, and beyond. Nelson Dellis,

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Speaker 2: thank you for being on Get Connected.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you so much for having me a pleasure

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Speaker 3: to be here.

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Speaker 2: Nelson Dellis is a competitive memorizer with a number of

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Speaker 2: US memory records. He's the founder and CEO of Climb

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Speaker 2: for Memory as well, a nonprofit charity that aims to

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Speaker 2: raise awareness and funds for Alzheimer's disease research through mountain

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Speaker 2: climbs all around the world. So, being born genius, I've

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Speaker 2: never really been a fan of that description because it

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Speaker 2: suggests there are just some things we can't achieve if

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Speaker 2: we were not born genius. Is what would you say

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Speaker 2: about genius Nelson.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree. You know, I think that largely intellect

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Speaker 3: and genius is first of all, I think part of

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Speaker 3: genius is subjective, so it's in the eye of the

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Speaker 3: beholder claiming this person is genius or not or has

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Speaker 3: a level of genius. And I think there's a lot

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Speaker 3: you can do to be perceived as genius that isn't

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Speaker 3: necessarily born with. And you know, my memory skills is

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Speaker 3: really why I wrote this book, because I got that

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Speaker 3: experience firsthand. I never had a good memory, and then

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Speaker 3: when I trained it and became a memory champion over

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Speaker 3: the years, a lot of people would say that about me,

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Speaker 3: that I was a genius, and I hated that because

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Speaker 3: I felt like a lie. I'm like, I'm not a genius.

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Speaker 3: I don't feel like I'm a genius at all. I

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Speaker 3: do some stupid things from time to time. But you know,

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Speaker 3: it just showed me that people will tie certain mental

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Speaker 3: abilities to this concept of genius and that it might

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Speaker 3: be trainable, and that's a lot of more people can

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Speaker 3: attain that genius level thinking with just a bit of

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Speaker 3: practice and guidance.

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Speaker 2: There's so much interesting stuff in this book. I only

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Speaker 2: got about halfway through because I really got absorbed in it.

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Speaker 2: So I want to preface that as we start talking,

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Speaker 2: but I also want to note you point out that

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Speaker 2: you're going to be better at memorizing, at decision making,

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Speaker 2: all these things if you understand your why. So why

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Speaker 2: did you want to study memory in the first place?

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Speaker 3: So my why started because of my grandmother, who she

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Speaker 3: was a sweet old lady on my dad's side, the

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Speaker 3: only grandmother I knew, and French lady from the Champagne

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Speaker 3: region of France, and she was really great at storytelling

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Speaker 3: and giving me funny stories about my dad. And you know,

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Speaker 3: in the early two thousands, she started to develop Alzheimer's

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Speaker 3: and watching her turn into this other person that couldn't

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Speaker 3: was really really hard to watch. And I was just

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Speaker 3: honestly terrified that the same thing would happen to me

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Speaker 3: as I got older. So it inspired me to look

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Speaker 3: into memory. I read a ton of books about it,

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Speaker 3: and I kept reading about this memory championship and ancient

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Speaker 3: memory techniques that they would use to do these phenomenal

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Speaker 3: feats of memory. And I first didn't think I could

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Speaker 3: do any of that because I had an average memory.

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Speaker 3: I never had a memory worth writing home to anybody about,

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Speaker 3: and I tried some of the techniques they worked. I

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Speaker 3: was hooked, felt like I was unlocking the superpower that

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Speaker 3: we all have within us, and in a short time

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Speaker 3: History goes from.

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Speaker 2: There talk us through the process of memorizing anything, which,

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Speaker 2: as you put it, is actually pretty simple. It's visualization, storage,

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Speaker 2: and review. I get the visualization part storage. Why is

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so you know the visualization component. I think most

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Speaker 3: people and understand because you remember things better if you

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Speaker 3: the time. And there's a subtle difference there, right, But

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Speaker 3: if you had a better organizational structure to the information

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Speaker 3: You know, it's just like this mind space of monkey brain, right,

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Speaker 3: But thousands of years ago, this is what the ancients

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Speaker 3: right that they wanted to pass down traditions. And one

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Speaker 3: of the main ways to do it is to use

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Speaker 3: what's called a memory palace, where you can think of

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Speaker 3: not something you have to memorize, And what you can

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Speaker 3: do is imagine the associations or the pictures you have

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Speaker 2: So using that technique when you're trying to remember something

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Speaker 2: but native speakers talk at you really fast, and by

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Speaker 2: the time you know what they've said, they're ten sentences

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Speaker 3: Right, And so that's that last step, the review. You

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Speaker 3: know this the first two steps visualization and organization that

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Speaker 3: especially if somebody's throwing words at you in a foreign language. Right.

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Speaker 3: You don't want to be like, excuse me, let me

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Speaker 3: access my mental memory palace. No, you want to be

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Speaker 3: able to fluidly interact, right, And that's where review comes in.

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Speaker 3: The more we interact with information in our mind, the

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Speaker 3: a natural happening of our minds. Our brains are designed

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Speaker 3: that there's this forgetting curve that all humans experience, and

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Speaker 3: it just shows that, you know, when you memorize some

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Speaker 3: The more you periodically review information, it stays in your

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Speaker 3: long term memory. More of it stays in your long

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Speaker 3: term memory. And that shouldn't be too unfamiliar to a

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Speaker 3: lot of us. We recognize that from our studying days

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Speaker 2: My guest is six time USA Memory Champion Nelson Dallas.

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Speaker 2: His book is Everyday Genius, a book to upgrade your

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Speaker 2: brain using practical skills. You're listening to get connected on

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Speaker 2: one six point seven light FM. I'm Mina del Rio.

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Speaker 2: A few times in the book, Nelson, you talk about

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Speaker 2: how location helps with memory when studying for book comprehension,

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Speaker 2: you know, going to a specific place or using different places.

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Speaker 2: What does locations have to do with retention?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So in one of the chapters, I talk about

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Speaker 3: to switch locations when you're reading or studying, or doing

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Speaker 3: anything that you want to remember, because it's an event.

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Speaker 3: Right when you are studying or reading or whatever it is,

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Speaker 3: and there's context behind all of that as well, which

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Speaker 3: hard for you to remember what you remember. What if

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Speaker 3: where and when you read those chapters, and they'll have

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Speaker 2: Mental math. There are many techniques of how to do

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think people grow up with a different sense

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Speaker 2: Numbers. Also, I think sometimes they just fall out of

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Speaker 2: a great sentence in the book. Most people think they

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Speaker 2: have a motivation problem when they actually have a focus problem.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, And I think it's such an important thing

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Speaker 3: think first is identifying what are the distractions in your life,

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Speaker 3: may be, whether it's to read in piece of quiet

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Speaker 3: Yeah? So I have a chapter on the problem solving

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Speaker 3: when trying to narrow in on what's important in your

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Speaker 3: life is this five twenty five rule. And it's very simple.

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Speaker 3: You know, you get out a piece of paper and

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Speaker 3: other twenty that you did not circle are the enemy, right,

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Speaker 3: because those are distractions in disguise. You know, they'll make

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Speaker 3: you feel productive if you're kind of working on them,

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Speaker 3: I guess, but it's taking away from those five top

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Speaker 3: goal with this exercises to recognize those five that are

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Speaker 3: non negotiables and to ruthlessly cut out the other twenty

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Speaker 2: Nelson Dallas's book is Everyday Genius. I'm going to finish

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Speaker 2: at Nelson and it's such a pleasure to speak with you.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for being on Get Connected.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you so much.

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