WEBVTT - 12-15-25 Willie with Steve Goodin

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<v Speaker 1>By Billy cunning into Great America. That's the story last

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<v Speaker 1>week that Irish Rolly what came out with me about

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<v Speaker 1>a month ago. And by the way, I do not

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<v Speaker 1>blame Iris ROLEI that the city wants to give you

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<v Speaker 1>six hundred thousand dollars plus plus plus, most Americans would

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<v Speaker 1>say thank you, Sir. May have another absolutely about her

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<v Speaker 1>getting that kind of money from the city having solved

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<v Speaker 1>criminal problems. And secondly, the cities also agreed to eight

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<v Speaker 1>point one million dollars to the misdemeanor criminals who committed

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<v Speaker 1>offenses of public trespassing. More that were given ten to

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<v Speaker 1>twenty thousand dollars each. And I'm gonna ask Steve good

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<v Speaker 1>In the attorney about whether citizens like him can object

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<v Speaker 1>to the city spending his money in this way. Is

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<v Speaker 1>Steve Gooden, Attorney, Welcome again to the Bill Cunningham Show.

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<v Speaker 1>And Steve, first of all, let's deal with Irish roly.

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<v Speaker 1>I watched this public affair situation over the weekend with

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<v Speaker 1>Curtis Fuller of Channel five. His guests were Adam Interim

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<v Speaker 1>Chief Adam Henny and Irish Rowley and some assistant city manager.

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<v Speaker 1>I tried to see what they were saying, but they

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<v Speaker 1>were words untethered to reality. I'm not sure what they

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<v Speaker 1>were saying, other than, man, we're working hard and the

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<v Speaker 1>city's so much safer than it's spend in a long time.

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<v Speaker 1>Life is good. And then I read about all the

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<v Speaker 1>shootings and things of that character. So give me your

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<v Speaker 1>sense of paying Iris rolly six hundred thousand dollars plus

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<v Speaker 1>and whether that's money well spent, well.

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<v Speaker 2>It's definitely not money well spent.

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<v Speaker 3>It's just this is how this city hall does patronage, right,

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, back in the old days, in the nineteen twenties,

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<v Speaker 3>the Boss Cock stage, you would hire your buddies to

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<v Speaker 3>jobs at the city.

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<v Speaker 2>Now you know that's been outlawed by.

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<v Speaker 3>The charter, so now you'd hire independent contractors and nonprofits.

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<v Speaker 3>And that's how you funnel your money to your political supporters.

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<v Speaker 2>Iris was the number one.

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<v Speaker 3>Political activist for the mayor over the last several years.

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<v Speaker 3>She personally went after his opponents, went after a city

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<v Speaker 3>council candidate she didn't like. She is exempt from all

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<v Speaker 3>the ethics laws because she's not an actual city employee.

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<v Speaker 3>So then two days after the election or three days

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<v Speaker 3>after the election, they give her six hundred thousand dollars

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<v Speaker 3>allegedly for our anti violence efforts. It looks to all

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<v Speaker 3>the world to me to be for her political advocacy.

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<v Speaker 3>And I'll tell you, as a guy who has an

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<v Speaker 3>office right by Government Square. Remember she was being paid

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<v Speaker 3>to clean up and reduce violence on Fountain Square and

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<v Speaker 3>Government Square, in part by passing out sandwiches and food

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<v Speaker 3>packets to the kids who hang around that bus stop.

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<v Speaker 2>It was a total failure.

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<v Speaker 3>The city still had to lean on Sorta and Metro

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<v Speaker 3>to move and re route half those bus lines.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the only thing that moved it.

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<v Speaker 3>We still ended up with two shootings either on or

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<v Speaker 3>near Fountain Square in business hours and still ended up

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<v Speaker 3>with SWAT teams to have to secure it. So whatever

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<v Speaker 3>she did there was a failure. But she's still getting paid.

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<v Speaker 3>And if you ask me, it's clearly because of all

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<v Speaker 3>the politics the stuff that she did during during this

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<v Speaker 3>time period. It's just patron It's plain and simple, but

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<v Speaker 3>it's kind of masked and looking like it's something else.

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<v Speaker 3>But you know, right now, the citizens, you know, there's

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<v Speaker 3>no one on there to complain, and the fact that

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<v Speaker 3>if it was so legitimate, why did they wait till

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<v Speaker 3>two days after the election.

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<v Speaker 2>To jam it through.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, of course, obviously, in the good old days, patronage

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<v Speaker 1>was you hire, like in the Sopranos, your buddies and

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<v Speaker 1>friends for no show jobs, making lots of money. So

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<v Speaker 1>you can't do that. She's coined as an independent contractor.

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<v Speaker 1>In reality, she's an employee. But if you're an employee,

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<v Speaker 1>you can't our friends and family members on no show jobs.

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<v Speaker 1>So what you do then is make her an independent

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<v Speaker 1>contractor and she gets paid, she submits time sheets. We're

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<v Speaker 1>talking serious money here, six hundred thousand. Is there an

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<v Speaker 1>effort by you and others to maybe sue on that

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<v Speaker 1>behalf saying the misuse of city funds is she's not

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<v Speaker 1>an independent contractor, she's an employee, and maybe you're saying

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<v Speaker 1>you can't do that. Is that possible?

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<v Speaker 2>You know, we've been looking.

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<v Speaker 3>At that for some time, and that was really one

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<v Speaker 3>of the big things we were out talking about during

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<v Speaker 3>the election, you know, with the Charter Committee, and I

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<v Speaker 3>know some of the Republican candidates were talking about it too.

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<v Speaker 2>City council could stop this with a single vote.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean they could just basically say, hey, our contractors

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<v Speaker 3>are now subject to the state ethics laws which ban

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<v Speaker 3>all this stuff, and also the separate laws and requirements

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<v Speaker 3>we have in ordinances we have here in the city.

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<v Speaker 3>They could shut it down in a heartbeat. Breaking a

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<v Speaker 3>lawsuit's going to be tough. We have looked at that.

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<v Speaker 3>We've particularly been looking at this issue with this eight

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<v Speaker 3>point one million dollars and then we're going to talk

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<v Speaker 3>about in the moment. But it is really really hard

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<v Speaker 3>to kind of legislate through litigation on these sorts of things.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, it's a tough thing.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, a taxpayer lawsuit you know, could be brought

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<v Speaker 3>where it goes in our local courts is very tough

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<v Speaker 3>because we're dealing with individual contracts. I would these you know,

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<v Speaker 3>five city council members could shut this down for all

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<v Speaker 3>time by simply saying we're going to apply to state

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<v Speaker 3>laws and the other laws that exists to our in

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<v Speaker 3>the country, then we'll do well.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course, not of course.

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<v Speaker 4>Not because in ours rolling once. I can't blame her.

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<v Speaker 1>If somebody said to you, I'm gonna give you six

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<v Speaker 1>hundred thousand dollars on a note show up job to

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<v Speaker 1>act as if handout sandwiches on Fountain Square, I think

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<v Speaker 1>most people would say, hey, yea, all take it. But

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<v Speaker 1>she also attacked the mayor's political opponents. Now on the mayor,

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<v Speaker 1>of course, he didn't make his car payments. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a note you have to pay the note you

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<v Speaker 1>got to It's a notes I gotta be paid. Uh

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<v Speaker 1>Tamay Dinard got in trouble for this. She didn't put

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<v Speaker 1>on our financial forms, the fact that she had a

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<v Speaker 1>car repossessed and had a deficiency. Is anyone looking at

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<v Speaker 1>the financial forms, and by the way, that's a crime.

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<v Speaker 1>Is anyone looking to have to have peer of all

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<v Speaker 1>his financial forms. Whether he put down the numerous car repossessions,

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<v Speaker 1>he said.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes.

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<v Speaker 3>Actually, one of my fellow board members over at the Turnita,

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<v Speaker 3>Queen todd Sendsers, who's a former Inspector General up at

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<v Speaker 3>the Department of Transportation, is all over this, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>multiple public records requests. Then we're trying to to get

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<v Speaker 3>to the bottom of all that.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, for me, the big issue it's.

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<v Speaker 3>Not thought whether or not the mayor had financial problems.

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<v Speaker 3>I guess people have issues, it's part of life. But

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<v Speaker 3>the story he told makes zero sense. And if there's

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<v Speaker 3>a problem with disclosure there. I mean, you're absolutely right,

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<v Speaker 3>that's something that has to be fleshed out. He's compromised.

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<v Speaker 3>We know how things ended with council Member Dinard. I

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<v Speaker 3>mean she was compromised because of financial issues and it

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<v Speaker 3>ended up soliciting a bribe and pleading guilty to it.

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<v Speaker 3>I know she kind of wants to take the plea back,

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<v Speaker 3>I understand from her public statements, but she ended up

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<v Speaker 3>doing I think eleven months in federal prison for it. So,

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<v Speaker 3>and this was one that she solicited. This was not

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<v Speaker 3>part of the sit and felled sting operation. She actually

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<v Speaker 3>went out and solicited that from a developer's lawyer who

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<v Speaker 3>was involved with the banks, mister Gableman. So really a

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<v Speaker 3>bad thing, and it looks bad on city Hall, and

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<v Speaker 3>it compromises these people and it makes them subject to

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<v Speaker 3>improper influence, and it's something that we are very much

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<v Speaker 3>still fleshing out.

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<v Speaker 2>Well.

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<v Speaker 1>One of the elements of one of the cars repossessed

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<v Speaker 1>from after pureval is a co signer. Doesn't that if

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<v Speaker 1>you have a mayor that needs a co signer in

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<v Speaker 1>order to get a car, that's kind of a compromising,

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<v Speaker 1>bad situation. But areween titled to know who co signed,

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<v Speaker 1>so you could have a car that was repossessed.

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<v Speaker 3>I believe under the ethics flaws, we are entitled to

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<v Speaker 3>know that.

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<v Speaker 2>And I mean, look, if he was, if.

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<v Speaker 3>It was a co signer, was something the co signer

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<v Speaker 3>with someone who has business before the city, or could

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<v Speaker 3>have business before the city, or is affiliated with the

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<v Speaker 3>company that has business before the city. That is absolutely

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<v Speaker 3>something that we need to know and should know. I

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<v Speaker 3>mean again, that person, you know, he is beholden to

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<v Speaker 3>whoever the co signer is in one way or another.

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<v Speaker 3>And absolutely we're trying to get to the bottom of

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<v Speaker 3>all that.

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<v Speaker 1>Imagine this, Steve Go. We have a mayor doesn't make

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<v Speaker 1>car payments repossessions. We have a city manager who's filed

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<v Speaker 1>bankruptcy with tax lienes, the president of council and according

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<v Speaker 1>to media, outs at a one million dollar tax line

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<v Speaker 1>against her and her husband. And those are the leaders

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<v Speaker 1>financially of the city. You must master yourself before you

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<v Speaker 1>seek to master others. So the city is run by

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<v Speaker 1>individuals who've had profound financial difficulties and can't manage their

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<v Speaker 1>own money. One might ask, why should they manage our money?

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<v Speaker 1>Speaking of that, city council voted unanimously eight point one

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<v Speaker 1>million dollars to Alfonsko Hartstein and Louis Serkin, etc. Because

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<v Speaker 1>of what happened on the George Floyd protest. There were

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<v Speaker 1>fifteen or twenty times the city passed the law on

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<v Speaker 1>a curfew, which we have an effect for some people

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<v Speaker 1>right now. You have to get off the streets. You

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<v Speaker 1>have to quit breaking into cars and fire bombing storefronts.

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<v Speaker 1>You have to quit doing that. And they passed a

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<v Speaker 1>curfew violation, and that the police notified the so called

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<v Speaker 1>individuals marching around city streets, which is a crime, by

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<v Speaker 1>the way, breaking curfew a dozen or so times.

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<v Speaker 4>Get off, we're going to rest you. Get off.

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<v Speaker 1>They wanted to get arrested, hoping to sue down the road.

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<v Speaker 1>Here we are five years later and it's happened. Number one,

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<v Speaker 1>did it appear on the surface, These four hundred and

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<v Speaker 1>seventy nine individuals are going to get all this money

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<v Speaker 1>that they were breaking the law by walking around public

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<v Speaker 1>streets shutting down things. Not the ones who are fire

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<v Speaker 1>bombing the stores and breaking into cars. That's a different category.

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<v Speaker 1>But the four seventy nine were just individuals who were arrested,

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<v Speaker 1>was zip tized because they wouldn't pay attention to what

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<v Speaker 1>they're told to do. Repeatedly, the last thing the cops

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<v Speaker 1>want to do is arrest somebody takes them off the street.

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<v Speaker 1>But how valid is this eight point one million dollars

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<v Speaker 1>from the city to the criminals.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, this to me is one of the most, if

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<v Speaker 3>not the most disgusting thing to come out of this

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<v Speaker 3>administration so far. Again, note that they waited till after

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<v Speaker 3>the election to we're in this sort of dead period

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<v Speaker 3>in the holidays to try to do it and hopefully

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<v Speaker 3>hopefully no one would notice.

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<v Speaker 2>But this is the worst of the worst.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, most of these folks are going to get

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<v Speaker 3>ten thousand dollars each for basically waiting around for a

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<v Speaker 3>few hours and the early morning hours to in the

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<v Speaker 3>sally Port over outside the Justice Center to try to

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<v Speaker 3>get them themselves processed and released on our bonds. I

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<v Speaker 3>would have happily gone over for ten grand cash, non

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<v Speaker 3>taxable and stood around at the Justice Center for a

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<v Speaker 3>few hours. I do it all the time for free

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<v Speaker 3>at my job, so I would have happily done this.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a total joke. I mean, look, Mayor Cranley was

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<v Speaker 3>right to impose the curfew. I lived downtown during this

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<v Speaker 3>time period, and I'm very tired of people rewriting history.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm telling you I heard the windows break. I knew

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<v Speaker 3>one of the officers who was shot at during this.

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<v Speaker 3>People forget that there were gun for these peaceful protesters.

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<v Speaker 3>Some of them were armed, throwing rocks, harassing police officers.

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<v Speaker 3>It is absolutely constitutional to put what they call time,

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<v Speaker 3>place and manner restrictions on protests. All the mayor said was, look,

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<v Speaker 3>if you guys are going to protest, protest, but you

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<v Speaker 3>got to break it up by eleven o'clock and you

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<v Speaker 3>can't go breaking into breaking windows and damaging.

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<v Speaker 2>Other people's properties. Et. No matter howard.

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<v Speaker 3>Grieved someone is or how bad they felt about George

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<v Speaker 3>Floyd going and smashing out windows here and in Cincinnati, Ohio,

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<v Speaker 3>wasn't going to bring anyone back.

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<v Speaker 2>To life over in Minneapolis. It was just insane.

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<v Speaker 3>And those property owners have rights, and the people who

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<v Speaker 3>lived downtown and were trying to conduct a business downtown

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<v Speaker 3>had rights too. And it was a disgusting time. There's

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<v Speaker 3>a total rewrite of history. It was a total waste

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<v Speaker 3>of taxpayer dollars. And we have no idea even how

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<v Speaker 3>these damages were arrived at, so it's ten grand each

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<v Speaker 3>for most of them. There's about eleven of them that

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<v Speaker 3>claimed that they had special damages who were going to

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<v Speaker 3>get more. So there's like a three hundred thousand dollars

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<v Speaker 3>pot for the eleven named plaintiffs, and then the lawyers,

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<v Speaker 3>of course get two million. It's sick. It's sick, and

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<v Speaker 3>it's our dollars. I mean, I live in the city.

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<v Speaker 3>It's our money, and it's just insane. And those who

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<v Speaker 3>are people who don't live in the city but pay

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<v Speaker 3>income tax issue because they work here and have their

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<v Speaker 3>jobs or have their offices or other jobs here, you

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<v Speaker 3>know they're paying for it as well. The whole region's

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<v Speaker 3>paying for it, and people should be very very upset.

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<v Speaker 1>The other issue is this, I heard the assistant city

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<v Speaker 1>manager say, well, we're going to pay the eight point

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<v Speaker 1>one million dollars, so that it could be a lot

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<v Speaker 1>higher than that if we go to trial. Well, sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>in life you go to trial. I've tried cases in

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<v Speaker 1>federal court with jurys with Judge Ruben and Judge Porter,

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<v Speaker 1>and one should know that the jurors in federal court

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<v Speaker 1>in the Southern District are not only drawn from Hamilton County.

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<v Speaker 1>In fact, the majority of jurors come from the other

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<v Speaker 1>sixty counties south of Columbus who have a different view

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<v Speaker 1>about these criminal protests. And maybe somebody living in the

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<v Speaker 1>city of Cincinnati is a liberal Democrat and so sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>in life you got to tee it up. These jurors

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<v Speaker 1>would have come from Claremont County, Warren County, Brown County,

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<v Speaker 1>Adams County, Highland County. How would they have viewed with

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<v Speaker 1>all the video of these protesters and what they did.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you think they would have handed out tens of

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<v Speaker 1>millions of dollars of these protesters.

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<v Speaker 3>I would love to try this case. I mean, they're

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<v Speaker 3>going back. I mean, look, you know all. I would

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<v Speaker 3>love to get a good juror from Ironton, Ohio on

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<v Speaker 3>there looking at the at the video of this and

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<v Speaker 3>hearing how these police officers were being treated, and to

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<v Speaker 3>hear from some of the shop owners who had their

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<v Speaker 3>windows smashed out and who had items stolen from their stores.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, I mean this, the curfew was perfectly legal

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<v Speaker 3>and constitutional. This is a political settlement. I have no

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<v Speaker 3>idea and nor has it ever been explained how they

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<v Speaker 3>came up with this ten thousand dollars per person figure

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<v Speaker 3>he felt like they were missing work or anything. I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>it's not you two in the morning when they got

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<v Speaker 3>picked up, nor did they you know or is there

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<v Speaker 3>any indication that these folks would have had, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>jobs to.

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<v Speaker 2>Go to it normally. Anyway, Probably a lot of them.

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<v Speaker 3>I think there were a fair number of quote unquote

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<v Speaker 3>professional protesters.

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<v Speaker 2>Down there shipped in. So it's really disgusting. It is.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you take this hold of it, and they want

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<v Speaker 1>to pay the money, and I can only imagine it,

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<v Speaker 1>by the way, the other shoe to drop with Elwood Jones,

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<v Speaker 1>the other shoe. Here we come with a lawsuit for

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<v Speaker 1>millions of dollar against Hamley County for locking him up

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<v Speaker 1>for about thirty years for a murder he committed. And

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<v Speaker 1>that's coming also. And then you also have the settlement

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<v Speaker 1>of Chief Thiji her hands out for about a million bucks,

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<v Speaker 1>and then Chief Washington, the fire chief, his hands out

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<v Speaker 1>for an assistant chief. The city's going to settle all

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<v Speaker 1>these cases from millions of dollars with your money.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't live in the.

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<v Speaker 1>City, but you do, and you live where f Ted

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<v Speaker 1>Pirival may not have paid his hoa fees. He's got

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<v Speaker 1>serious financial problems and had the city handled this money

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<v Speaker 1>as if it's justified.

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<v Speaker 4>It's got as sick in a city resident.

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<v Speaker 2>Correct, it's really it's just disgusting.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, meanwhile, you know, we're sitting here in a

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<v Speaker 3>deep freeze, which means we're going to have a really

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<v Speaker 3>bad pothole season. You know, most bottles are caused by

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<v Speaker 3>early freezes that get into cracks and then blow up

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<v Speaker 3>into potholes.

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<v Speaker 2>So we already know we're.

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<v Speaker 3>Going to have a rough time on the streets, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>and we know that they're always behind on street repair,

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<v Speaker 3>so the city has already begin to, you know, into

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<v Speaker 3>a situation where it looks dilapidated and the roads are terrible,

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<v Speaker 3>and it feels like, I say, you're you know, like

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<v Speaker 3>a lunar landing sometimes just driving around the city streets.

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<v Speaker 3>It's just a it's a mess. But yet we don't

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<v Speaker 3>have money to fix the streets. But we got eight

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<v Speaker 3>point one million for some people who felt aggrieved and

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<v Speaker 3>had their cell phones taken. I guess that's part of

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<v Speaker 3>the damages. I was just I just saw, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>for for protesting in the in the middle of the night.

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<v Speaker 3>Five years ago. But we have money for them that

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<v Speaker 3>not for this, and they're making these horrific financial or

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<v Speaker 3>personnel decisions which are going to cost him. I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>like Chief Washington, I'm very familiar with that case, and

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<v Speaker 3>they've talked to him many times. He's getting money. Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>like in my judgment, my legal judgment, putting all politics aside,

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<v Speaker 3>they owe him. Okay, he's got a fantastic case. And

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<v Speaker 3>I think Chief the G they're gonna end up having

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<v Speaker 3>to pay her too, as you've talked about. I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>these are millions of dollars and just these you know,

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<v Speaker 3>efeckless personnel decisions that are purely politically driven and are

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, they got rid of THEG because I thought

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<v Speaker 3>it was going to help the mayor and city council

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<v Speaker 3>before the city, before the election, and it probably it.

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<v Speaker 3>So I mean, you know, she became a sacrificial lamb,

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<v Speaker 3>no matter what you think of her performance. So this

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<v Speaker 3>is politics, but people like me end up paying.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, Steve Gooden tell the mayor it's no joke. You

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<v Speaker 1>got to pay your note. So let's see what happens

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<v Speaker 1>down the road.

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<v Speaker 4>It's no joke. You got to pay your note. We

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<v Speaker 4>got a mayor. That's fine.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, Steve, we got to run, but thanks for laying

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<v Speaker 1>it out. We've become like many other liberal cities, in

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<v Speaker 1>which case they're poorly run, very expensive to be in,

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<v Speaker 1>and of course the Bengal ownership kind of doesn't have

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<v Speaker 1>money to buy a snowshovel. That's another issue. But Steve Gooden,

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<v Speaker 1>you're a great American. And thanks for coming on the

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<v Speaker 1>Bill Cunningham Show.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you, Steve, you two, thank you any timeless Let's continue.

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<v Speaker 1>The truth will set you free. It's no joke. You

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<v Speaker 1>got to pay your note. On news Radio seven hundreds

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<v Speaker 1>WLW