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Speaker 1: By Billy cunning into Great America. That's the story last

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Speaker 1: week that Irish Rolly what came out with me about

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Speaker 1: a month ago. And by the way, I do not

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Speaker 1: blame Iris ROLEI that the city wants to give you

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Speaker 1: six hundred thousand dollars plus plus plus, most Americans would

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Speaker 1: say thank you, Sir. May have another absolutely about her

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Speaker 1: getting that kind of money from the city having solved

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Speaker 1: criminal problems. And secondly, the cities also agreed to eight

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Speaker 1: point one million dollars to the misdemeanor criminals who committed

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Speaker 1: offenses of public trespassing. More that were given ten to

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Speaker 1: twenty thousand dollars each. And I'm gonna ask Steve good

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Speaker 1: In the attorney about whether citizens like him can object

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Speaker 1: to the city spending his money in this way. Is

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Speaker 1: Steve Gooden, Attorney, Welcome again to the Bill Cunningham Show.

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Speaker 1: And Steve, first of all, let's deal with Irish roly.

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Speaker 1: I watched this public affair situation over the weekend with

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Speaker 1: Curtis Fuller of Channel five. His guests were Adam Interim

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Speaker 1: Chief Adam Henny and Irish Rowley and some assistant city manager.

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Speaker 1: I tried to see what they were saying, but they

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Speaker 1: were words untethered to reality. I'm not sure what they

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Speaker 1: city's so much safer than it's spend in a long time.

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Speaker 1: Life is good. And then I read about all the

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Speaker 1: shootings and things of that character. So give me your

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Speaker 1: sense of paying Iris rolly six hundred thousand dollars plus

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Speaker 1: and whether that's money well spent, well.

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Speaker 2: It's definitely not money well spent.

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Speaker 3: It's just this is how this city hall does patronage, right,

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Speaker 3: I mean, back in the old days, in the nineteen twenties,

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Speaker 3: the Boss Cock stage, you would hire your buddies to

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Speaker 2: Now you know that's been outlawed by.

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Speaker 3: The charter, so now you'd hire independent contractors and nonprofits.

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Speaker 3: And that's how you funnel your money to your political supporters.

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Speaker 2: Iris was the number one.

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Speaker 3: Political activist for the mayor over the last several years.

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Speaker 3: She personally went after his opponents, went after a city

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Speaker 3: council candidate she didn't like. She is exempt from all

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Speaker 3: So then two days after the election or three days

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Speaker 3: after the election, they give her six hundred thousand dollars

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Speaker 3: allegedly for our anti violence efforts. It looks to all

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Speaker 3: And I'll tell you, as a guy who has an

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Speaker 3: to clean up and reduce violence on Fountain Square and

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Speaker 2: It was a total failure.

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Speaker 3: The city still had to lean on Sorta and Metro

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Speaker 3: to move and re route half those bus lines.

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Speaker 2: That's the only thing that moved it.

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Speaker 3: We still ended up with two shootings either on or

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Speaker 3: she did there was a failure. But she's still getting paid.

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Speaker 3: And if you ask me, it's clearly because of all

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Speaker 3: the politics the stuff that she did during during this

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Speaker 3: time period. It's just patron It's plain and simple, but

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Speaker 3: it's kind of masked and looking like it's something else.

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Speaker 3: But you know, right now, the citizens, you know, there's

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Speaker 3: no one on there to complain, and the fact that

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Speaker 3: if it was so legitimate, why did they wait till

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Speaker 3: two days after the election.

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Speaker 2: To jam it through.

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Speaker 1: Well, of course, obviously, in the good old days, patronage

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Speaker 1: you can't do that. She's coined as an independent contractor.

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Speaker 1: In reality, she's an employee. But if you're an employee,

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Speaker 1: you can't our friends and family members on no show jobs.

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Speaker 1: So what you do then is make her an independent

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Speaker 1: talking serious money here, six hundred thousand. Is there an

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Speaker 3: At that for some time, and that was really one

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Speaker 2: City council could stop this with a single vote.

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Speaker 3: I mean they could just basically say, hey, our contractors

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Speaker 3: They could shut it down in a heartbeat. Breaking a

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Speaker 3: lawsuit's going to be tough. We have looked at that.

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Speaker 3: We've particularly been looking at this issue with this eight

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Speaker 2: You know, it's a tough thing.

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Speaker 3: I mean, a taxpayer lawsuit you know, could be brought

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Speaker 3: where it goes in our local courts is very tough

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Speaker 3: five city council members could shut this down for all

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Speaker 2: Of course, not of course.

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Speaker 4: Not because in ours rolling once. I can't blame her.

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Speaker 1: If somebody said to you, I'm gonna give you six

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Speaker 1: act as if handout sandwiches on Fountain Square, I think

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Speaker 1: most people would say, hey, yea, all take it. But

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Speaker 1: she also attacked the mayor's political opponents. Now on the mayor,

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Speaker 1: of course, he didn't make his car payments. You know,

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Speaker 1: Tamay Dinard got in trouble for this. She didn't put

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Speaker 1: the financial forms, and by the way, that's a crime.

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Speaker 3: Actually, one of my fellow board members over at the Turnita,

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Speaker 2: And you know, for me, the big issue it's.

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Speaker 3: Not thought whether or not the mayor had financial problems.

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Speaker 3: I guess people have issues, it's part of life. But

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Speaker 3: We know how things ended with council Member Dinard. I

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Speaker 3: and this was one that she solicited. This was not

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Speaker 3: bad thing, and it looks bad on city Hall, and

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Speaker 3: it compromises these people and it makes them subject to

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Speaker 3: still fleshing out.

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Speaker 2: Well.

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Speaker 1: One of the elements of one of the cars repossessed

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Speaker 1: bad situation. But areween titled to know who co signed,

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Speaker 3: I believe under the ethics flaws, we are entitled to

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Speaker 2: And I mean, look, if he was, if.

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Speaker 3: It was a co signer, was something the co signer

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Speaker 3: And absolutely we're trying to get to the bottom of

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Speaker 1: Imagine this, Steve Go. We have a mayor doesn't make

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Speaker 1: car payments repossessions. We have a city manager who's filed

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Speaker 1: Speaking of that, city council voted unanimously eight point one

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Speaker 1: of what happened on the George Floyd protest. There were

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Speaker 1: You have to quit doing that. And they passed a

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Speaker 4: Get off, we're going to rest you. Get off.

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Speaker 1: They wanted to get arrested, hoping to sue down the road.

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Speaker 1: Here we are five years later and it's happened. Number one,

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Speaker 1: did it appear on the surface, These four hundred and

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Speaker 1: that they were breaking the law by walking around public

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Speaker 1: bombing the stores and breaking into cars. That's a different category.

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Speaker 1: But the four seventy nine were just individuals who were arrested,

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Speaker 1: But how valid is this eight point one million dollars

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Speaker 3: Well, this to me is one of the most, if

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Speaker 3: not the most disgusting thing to come out of this

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Speaker 3: administration so far. Again, note that they waited till after

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Speaker 2: But this is the worst of the worst.

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Speaker 3: I mean, most of these folks are going to get

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Speaker 3: would have happily gone over for ten grand cash, non

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Speaker 3: It's a total joke. I mean, look, Mayor Cranley was

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Speaker 3: People forget that there were gun for these peaceful protesters.

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Speaker 3: Some of them were armed, throwing rocks, harassing police officers.

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Speaker 3: It is absolutely constitutional to put what they call time,

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Speaker 2: Other people's properties. Et. No matter howard.

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Speaker 3: Grieved someone is or how bad they felt about George

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Speaker 2: To life over in Minneapolis. It was just insane.

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Speaker 3: And those property owners have rights, and the people who

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Speaker 3: a total rewrite of history. It was a total waste

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Speaker 1: The other issue is this, I heard the assistant city

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Speaker 1: higher than that if we go to trial. Well, sometimes

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Speaker 3: I would love to try this case. I mean, they're

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Speaker 3: I mean, I mean this, the curfew was perfectly legal

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Speaker 2: Go to it normally. Anyway, Probably a lot of them.

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Speaker 3: I think there were a fair number of quote unquote

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Speaker 2: Down there shipped in. So it's really disgusting. It is.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you take this hold of it, and they want

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Speaker 4: I don't live in the.

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Speaker 1: Pirival may not have paid his hoa fees. He's got

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Speaker 4: It's got as sick in a city resident.

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Speaker 2: Correct, it's really it's just disgusting.

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Speaker 3: I mean, meanwhile, you know, we're sitting here in a

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Speaker 2: So we already know we're.

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Speaker 3: It's just a it's a mess. But yet we don't

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Speaker 3: Five years ago. But we have money for them that

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Speaker 3: I think Chief the G they're gonna end up having

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Speaker 3: I mean, they got rid of THEG because I thought

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Speaker 3: So I mean, you know, she became a sacrificial lamb,

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Speaker 1: Well, Steve Gooden tell the mayor it's no joke. You

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Speaker 1: got to pay your note. So let's see what happens

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Speaker 4: It's no joke. You got to pay your note. We

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Speaker 1: Well, Steve, we got to run, but thanks for laying

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Speaker 1: it out. We've become like many other liberal cities, in

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Speaker 1: money to buy a snowshovel. That's another issue. But Steve Gooden,

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Speaker 1: you're a great American. And thanks for coming on the

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Speaker 1: Bill Cunningham Show.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Steve, you two, thank you any timeless Let's continue.

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Speaker 1: The truth will set you free. It's no joke. You

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Speaker 1: got to pay your note. On news Radio seven hundreds

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