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Speaker 1: Not in the power field of mile high. Credit to

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Speaker 1: holy mackerel.

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Speaker 2: And says, holy mackerel. Where did the phrase holy mackerel

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Speaker 2: come from? That's a good question, holy mackerel. I mean,

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Speaker 3: It's a fish, so I had to come from someone

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Speaker 3: catching a fish, I think, So why don't we see

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Speaker 3: if we can find out where the phrase holy mackerel

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Speaker 3: came from and how in the hell it came out

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Speaker 3: of my pie hole?

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Speaker 2: But I didn't even remember saying that. So what a game?

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Speaker 2: A game? That's all you can say.

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Speaker 1: For a moment, as we're re listening to one quarter

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Speaker 4: Where the sound? What were you thinking?

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Speaker 2: Well? I was, honestly, I was thinking, like every other

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Speaker 2: the game or listening to the game, I was thinking,

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Speaker 2: what in the hell are they doing? You know, late

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Speaker 2: in the third quarter, I did, and the three of

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Speaker 2: us talked about this before he came on the air.

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Speaker 2: I did at some point. I can't rememb remember it

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Speaker 2: of a game that I that just popped into my

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Speaker 2: head because of the score right nineteen You know, you

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Speaker 2: don't normally get nineteen points at any time of an

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Speaker 2: NFL game. It's just unusual. So when it was nineteen nothing,

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Speaker 2: I thought, that score, Why does that score stick with me?

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Speaker 2: And I remembered forty two years ago, I remember the

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Speaker 2: game John Elway's rookie season. I'm playing with the Browns.

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Speaker 2: We are competing with the Broncos at that point for

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Speaker 2: a wild card spot, and we get word where we win.

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Speaker 2: I think that day, we get on the plane, we

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Speaker 2: get word the Colts are ahead of the Broncos nineteen nothing,

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Speaker 2: and we were like celebrating. We're like, okay, here we go.

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Speaker 2: And then by the time our flight landed. This is

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Speaker 2: before you know, social media, before cell phones, before all that.

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Speaker 2: It was back in the right brother days. We hear

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Speaker 2: And I think, to this day, I've never talked to

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Speaker 2: that was the game that put John Elway on the

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Speaker 2: be one of those guys to bring his team back.

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Speaker 2: I think Jered will Hye caught a pass late in

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Speaker 2: the game for a touchdown. But I just reminded people

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Speaker 2: it turned out the Broncos were able to come back

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Speaker 2: and score twenty one straight points. Now, I got to

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Speaker 2: be honest about it. I thought that could happen when

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Speaker 2: they scored made nineteen eight, I'm thinking, okay, but I

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Speaker 3: What was wild is watching the game back to know

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Speaker 3: that the Broncos were down twenty six eight. It was

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Speaker 3: only six minutes or less in the fourth quarter. And

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Speaker 3: for me, I went back to the Super Bowl when

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Speaker 3: the Patriots were playing against Atlanta Falcons, and no one

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Speaker 3: thought that Tom Brady and the Patriots would actually come back.

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Speaker 3: The only people who believed was the Patriots guy and

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Speaker 3: audio where he was telling Julio Jones, do you know

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Speaker 3: who that is on the opposite high So to watch

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Speaker 5: It's it's amazing.

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Speaker 3: What it says to me is that this team is

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Speaker 3: capable of so many ridiculous types of things, and it

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Speaker 3: shouldn't take a quarter like that, or playing poorly for

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Speaker 3: three quarters and then change everything in the fourth quarter. Now,

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Speaker 3: I've always said this that the Broncos have a tendency.

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Speaker 5: To start slow and not finish.

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Speaker 3: And earlier in the season they were not great in

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Speaker 5: This game they were.

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Speaker 3: And when you talk about cardiac kids, and I saw

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Speaker 5: Yes, I mean people keep me start filing out.

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Speaker 2: No, no, no, not the Tracy run. The deflection on

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Speaker 2: the touchdown into the south end by the backup touch

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Speaker 5: Okay, so that one, it was a thing of beauty.

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Speaker 3: And I say, wait a minute, is God watching this

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Speaker 5: That's the first thing got down man.

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Speaker 3: Because Troy Fraklin had one off the deflection and then

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Speaker 2: I was like, what is going on here?

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Speaker 3: And I'm like, am I the only person in the stadium.

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Speaker 3: Who's thinking this right now? But luckily, you know, the

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Speaker 3: Broncos won the game, and you know that's that.

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Speaker 4: Here's that THEO Johnson touchdown.

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Speaker 2: Just dark throws the ball into and out of the

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Speaker 4: You could hear the era of the stadium just suck.

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Speaker 2: That's why I said, you gotta be kid mixed.

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Speaker 3: That would have would have been a great place to

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Speaker 3: insert holy mackerel.

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Speaker 4: No, I like it.

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Speaker 2: I like use holy holy Mackerel's like when something good happens.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you gotta do it. It's a good thing.

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Speaker 2: That wouldn't good unless you're a Giants whatever.

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Speaker 5: People use it in a negative way too as well.

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Speaker 2: That that moment was a holy.

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Speaker 4: Holy Here's here's here's the real holy mackerel moment.

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Speaker 2: Nicks on a design quarterback run bose the can bow.

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Speaker 6: I said to five toush that dead.

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Speaker 2: Bar holy mackerel Rocos are an extra point away from

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Speaker 2: NFL teams, I still want to find out where it

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Speaker 4: It's it's incredible. Yeah, we'll have to do some research

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Speaker 2: Oh no, no, no, that thing stuck in my mind. Okay,

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Speaker 2: fifty years ago. Probably I was going to give you

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Speaker 1: NFL teams won one thy six hundred and two consecutive

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Speaker 2: In the fourth clad. I got it even a better one, Okay,

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Speaker 2: NFL teams would have had by eighteen or more with

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Speaker 2: thirty six hundred and seven. Just saying that's why, that's

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Speaker 4: That's why it's a problem.

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Speaker 3: So Giants fans should be upset with the way that

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Speaker 5: Yes, I think all.

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Speaker 2: Of it, all the above. Here's what I would say

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Speaker 2: if there was one play. I thought the Giants defense

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Speaker 2: that the play that changed the game was the interception.

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Speaker 4: No doubt about that.

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Speaker 2: Denver will bring the house guarded, the shotgun, snap steps

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Speaker 2: down at the eighteen second interception of the season for

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Speaker 2: This being the fourth and oh my four forty seven left,

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Speaker 2: out left and the two of them at warning. Dave,

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Speaker 2: you were in your bag yesterday. Man, we're forty four.

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Speaker 2: Here's the deal. You're up ten. The Broncos have one

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Speaker 2: and I don't want to hear. Hey, we were trying

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Speaker 2: to win the game. You're ten points ahead. It's simple.

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Speaker 2: You run the ball. They either use their last time

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Speaker 2: at that point has given up sixteen points the entire game.

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Speaker 2: You play shell coverage, you make never patiently move down

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Speaker 2: you know, I mean, good for the Broncos. I'm certainly

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Speaker 2: what that was, right?

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Speaker 5: That was basically it's greed.

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Speaker 3: One of the most corrupting things for all of us

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Speaker 5: On the road to the Denver Broncos.

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Speaker 4: I actually, you're right about that.

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Speaker 5: Because just saw how pissed he was after they lost

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Speaker 3: Because there's a moment and go to at Nick Ferguson

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Speaker 3: There was a moment where Jackson Dart had a dilmma.

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Speaker 5: See, they were trying to actually pat stats.

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Speaker 3: They wanted to actually show up Sean Payton and the

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I was I was talking to Rob Dawson

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Speaker 2: No, we're laughing, laughing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but he would saying that he was listening to

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Speaker 4: Media talking about this game.

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Speaker 2: Oh my gosh.

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Speaker 1: Their perception on it was Ryan Daball trusted his young

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Speaker 4: With the game on the line. Yeah, So that's what

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Speaker 4: that's what they're talking to themselves.

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Speaker 2: That's why Mike frances is sitting behind him Mic, you know,

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Speaker 2: Show host but again I get it. I get his point. Yes, yes,

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Speaker 4: And even in completion, it still stops the clock.

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Speaker 2: Run the clock. Make them use that last time out,

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Speaker 2: A qualifier to the Lway comment, I think the moment

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Speaker 3: See, the key thing I'm finding what you're saying is control.

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Speaker 5: Mcglitchy tells you right there, get.

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Speaker 3: This kid in tempo, in the rhythm, because now you're talking.

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Speaker 5: About quick decision making.

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Speaker 3: That's what Brian Dabele did with Jackson dark to keep

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Speaker 5: Of well the hey coach, actually do it.

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Speaker 2: I don't disagree with with anything Nick said. I think

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Speaker 2: Bo has his own set of skill. And but I

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Speaker 2: think Sean, how do I say, I think Sean believes

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Speaker 2: I'll just say it. I think Sean believes in Shawn,

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Speaker 5: Yeah, but you have to believe in the guy you have, understand.

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Speaker 5: I love how you call it.

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Speaker 3: See I disagree with that because as the defensive player,

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Speaker 3: Well, the whole idea is that you said, Well, tell

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Speaker 3: We've seen several players in this league. We've seen Patrick Mahomes,

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Speaker 2: I mean Mahomes does. But both of those guys win

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Speaker 3: Well, once again, you can have both of those things

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Speaker 5: This gay this game is playing on a perimeter.

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Speaker 2: Now, there's not a coach in the league currently that

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Speaker 1: Looking forward to it, this our chance when one thousand

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Speaker 4: Ian Roperboard joins us.

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Speaker 2: Next Sunday, the Broncos won the improbable.

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Speaker 4: Denver in most improbable fashion.

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Speaker 2: Maybe just a giant comebat down nineteen nothing, or maybe

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Speaker 2: it was bigger than that.

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Speaker 5: Maybe DT has a little something to.

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Speaker 6: Do with that.

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Speaker 1: Broncos have won four straits, including a marvelous swin last

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Speaker 4: Ian good afternoons or how are you?

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Speaker 5: What's going on?

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Speaker 6: How are you?

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Speaker 2: We're We're doing good? Ian appreciate the time. I mean,

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Speaker 2: everybody in Denver is excited about what took place at

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Speaker 2: But from an outside perspective, as you peaked into the

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Speaker 6: Prominently, Well, I mean, I'm so I live in New York,

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Speaker 7: I mean, the game was over, honestly, and and you know,

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Speaker 6: The ball off, they give the ball back to the

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Speaker 5: That had to go.

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Speaker 6: Right, and the Broncos had to do a lot right

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Speaker 6: the late game, situational football. It resolved to kind of

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Speaker 5: And with all that.

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Speaker 3: Being said, what was to say about Brian Dabel and

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Speaker 6: Yeah, So that's one interesting thing about this is from

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Speaker 6: a Giants perspective, is like it obviously everyone's upset with

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Speaker 6: the loss, but there was so much positive about the

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Speaker 6: quarterback position that it's almost like it tempered the loss

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Speaker 6: a little bit because everyone's like, well, yeah, but like

445
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Speaker 6: they got a guy, you know. I mean, I think

446
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Speaker 6: the Broncos went to the same thing last year when

447
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Speaker 6: everyone realized that like Phoenix was going to be like

448
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Speaker 6: a real viable starting quarterback or kind of like all right,

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Speaker 6: like hope to win and hope to make the playoffs.

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Speaker 6: Like you know, obviously you want to play as long

451
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Speaker 6: as you can, but you got a guy and that

452
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Speaker 6: sort of sets you forward and really changes everything. So

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Speaker 6: you're not perfect, you know. There's definitely some comprosy makes

454
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Speaker 6: or decisions that are sort of ill advised, but just

455
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Speaker 6: knowing that they have a real legitimate starting quarterback finally

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Speaker 6: for the first time in a while, is you know,

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Speaker 6: that's a pretty cool thing, I think for the Giants,

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Speaker 6: even though that was a mind numbing loss yesterday.

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Speaker 1: Well, and again I understand from that perspective, and we've

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Speaker 1: been having sort of discussion online whether it was more

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Speaker 1: the Giants collapse or the Broncos win, and I guess

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Speaker 1: it can be a little bit of both. I want

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Speaker 1: to know from your perspective though the Broncos now have

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Speaker 1: three of those comeback wins here in the fourth quarter.

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Speaker 1: They have a little bit of that clutch gene as

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Speaker 1: a team, So in force perspective on them, do you

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Speaker 1: hear more about the follies of the first three quarters

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Speaker 1: often times, or more about their ability to close games?

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Speaker 6: Ability to close games, like you know, they didn't play

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Speaker 6: good in the first three quarters, know that, or even

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Speaker 6: for the first fifty minutes or so, but it doesn't matter.

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Speaker 6: And you know, there's so many interesting things talking about

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Speaker 6: the clutch jeens. It's like, you know, all the Giants

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Speaker 6: really had to do was make an extra point or two,

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Speaker 6: as it happened, and just you know, you make two

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Speaker 6: of those easy, they're layups, and you know Denver doesn't

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Speaker 6: have a chance to win the game. Well the Giants

478
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Speaker 6: didn't and Denver did. Like that's pretty clutch, you know,

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Speaker 6: the ability to do what you have to do to

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Speaker 6: do your job, the regular thing, even with all the

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Speaker 6: pressure in the world, just to make the kick, Just

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Speaker 6: make the kick. And so you know those sort of things,

483
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Speaker 6: acting normal, being normal, playing normal when there's a lot

484
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Speaker 6: of pressure and trying to come back and it has

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Speaker 6: to be perfect, Like that's a skill. And you know,

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Speaker 6: I think there's a reason that something thought this was

487
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Speaker 6: a Broncos team that was, you know, going to do

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Speaker 6: really really good. Things kind of look like it now,

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Speaker 6: especially with the game on the line.

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Speaker 2: We're talking to you, Rapaport or Info Insider Ian a

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Speaker 2: final question. Next game coming up. It's always a big game,

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Speaker 2: I think when anybody plays the Cowboys. But it sure

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Speaker 2: looks like in Colleen the Broncos games. I haven't seen

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Speaker 2: the Cowboys games much to the last three games, but

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Speaker 2: it sure seems like they have figured things out. On offense,

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Speaker 2: Dak has been unbelievable. There's scoring a bunch of points.

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Speaker 2: He's had three touchdown passes in all the games in

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Speaker 2: the streak. I mean you've seen them. What are your

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Speaker 2: trip what's going on in your mind to the excellence

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Speaker 2: that they're just playing on offense?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, first of all, offensive line's playing really well.

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Speaker 6: I'm gonna even have all their starters out there, but

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Speaker 6: offensive line's playing really well.

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 6: The addition of George Pickens I think has given them

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Speaker 6: a sort of big play electric big playability that they

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Speaker 6: had some last year. But it extends that Ceedee Lamb

508
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Speaker 6: gets back in the mix. They can run the ball.

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Speaker 6: I mean Javonti Williams is later on the second leading

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Speaker 6: rusher in the NFL, which is crazy. It is a

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Speaker 6: great offense. I mean they're really it is a great offense.

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Speaker 6: You know, Mike McCarthy leaves and you're sort of like,

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Speaker 6: what's it going to be? So basically what it is

514
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Speaker 6: is the similar offense what Mike McCarthy was running with

515
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Speaker 6: the injection of some life and energy. They're good now.

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Speaker 6: The defense, you know, not as good other end of

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Speaker 6: the spectrum, but.

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Speaker 7: They've been in shootouts before.

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Speaker 6: They seem to thrive in them. They're kind of fun

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Speaker 6: and exciting I mean, this is a you know, maybe

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Speaker 6: as intriguing a Cowboys team as they've seen in some years,

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Speaker 6: and that's a pretty cool thing.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, I know, coming into the game, the Broncos

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Speaker 3: were kind of leading and some statistical categories as far

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Speaker 3: as third down and red zone operation, But overall, what

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Speaker 3: do you think about this defense after that fourth quarter performance?

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Speaker 6: I mean, I thought the Broncos defense was good anyway.

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Speaker 6: And that's what was so interesting for me watching the

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Speaker 6: Giants yesterday was like, you know, there's Jackson Dart and

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Speaker 6: there's Cam Scattabelle and they're moving up and down the

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Speaker 6: field with you know, against one of the NFL's best defense,

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Speaker 6: and you're like, oh, that's crazy, look at them go.

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Speaker 6: But you know, when it comes down to it and

534
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Speaker 6: you got to have it, how good is your defense then?

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Speaker 6: And I think, you know, I can safely say the

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Speaker 6: bench Joseph is one of the best defensive coordinators in

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Speaker 6: the NFL. I feel very I feel very confident saying that.

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Speaker 6: And when you need to make a play, and they

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Speaker 6: did several times yesterday, you know, you know you can,

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Speaker 6: you know you can rely on it, and you know

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Speaker 6: that is a it is a challenge for everyone who

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Speaker 6: comes and plays in knowing on defense they're gonna absolutely

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Speaker 6: bring it.

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Speaker 1: Last one for me, always appreciates Timey and a couple

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Speaker 1: of quarterbacks. I'm just curious about J. J. McCarthy. Uh

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Speaker 1: is he going to get his job back there in Minnesota?

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Speaker 1: To a tongue about low, it sounds like they're staying

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Speaker 1: with him for a little while. What's the status of

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Speaker 1: those two quarterbacks? Uh?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, those two specifically, So Tua is going to take

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Speaker 6: all the first team reps in me the start of

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Speaker 6: this week's and they'll change there. We'll see who the

553
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Speaker 6: backup quarterback is because Quinn yours was a backup place

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Speaker 6: from yesterday as well, which is it's really interesting. As

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Speaker 6: far as Minnesota, I would expect Carson Wentz to get

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Speaker 6: another start. They play Thursday night, so usually you know,

557
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Speaker 6: if a guy hasn't played, it's not a great time

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Speaker 6: to throw someone in there. And then we'll see. You know,

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Speaker 6: I haven't heard definitively that JJ McCarthy will get his

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Speaker 6: job back, like It's never been told to me like that.

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Speaker 6: It's been more like, we'll make the decision, we'll meet

562
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Speaker 6: when it comes to us. So you know, once goes

563
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Speaker 6: out and plays really well, they get to win. We'll

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Speaker 6: see what they end up doing. Because he's had some

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Speaker 6: good moments and JJ McCarthy's had one great moment and

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Speaker 6: a bunch not as good. Kind of an intriguing, multi

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Speaker 6: layered decision there for Minnesota.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, no doubt. Do you think Lamar plays this week?

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Speaker 5: You know, I thought so the whole time.

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Speaker 6: He wasn't out there this week with his Ravens teammates

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Speaker 6: and kind of the bonus practice. So I think he plays.

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Speaker 6: But we'll see what happened on Wednesday if he's able

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Speaker 6: to get out there.

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Speaker 1: All right, it sounds good. Enjoyed the double header tonight, man,

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Speaker 1: Thank you?

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Speaker 6: All right, you guys do take care.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate the inn wrapper for our NFL Network insider.

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Speaker 1: We'll get that interview up a Kwacolorado dot Com a

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Speaker 1: little bit of a New York were lean on that

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Speaker 1: take Wow, the giants who just would have done this

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Speaker 1: and then would have done that, and I mean, I

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Speaker 1: guess the Broncos were there to capitalize. I've been in

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Speaker 1: so many arguments today on social media and I can

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Speaker 1: already hear Dave roll in his eyes. But I've been

585
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Speaker 1: in so many arguments today on did the Giants collapse

586
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Speaker 1: or did the Broncos win the game? And it was both,

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Speaker 1: Like what would be the lean though, And I think

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Speaker 1: that teams in any given game un once you're the

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Speaker 1: elite of the elite, but even those teams will make mistakes.

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Speaker 1: Things will happen in the course of a game where

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Speaker 1: there will be a window for you to take advantage

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Speaker 1: of that moment. And I'm not trying to spit bars

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Speaker 1: like eight mile here. I'm just saying that you have

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Speaker 1: one shot and the Broncos took it. So the Giants

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00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:01,479
Speaker 1: gave them that window, but the bron still they had

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Speaker 1: to complete it, right, they still had to complete the comeback.

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Speaker 1: It just drove me crazy. All these people and again

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Speaker 1: sort of an East Coast bias mindset. I get it,

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Speaker 1: and I think he's wonderful, but there's just this mindset

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Speaker 1: where now the Giants absolutely collapse, the Broncos did nothing

601
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Speaker 1: but just be there to collect the collapse.

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Speaker 4: And I hate that.

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Speaker 5: I know how much you hate it.

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Speaker 3: And it's not an East Coast bias, but two things

605
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Speaker 3: gonna be true at the same time, because if you

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Speaker 3: ask yourself Okay, well, what did we really see?

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Speaker 5: What we saw what the Giants lose the game.

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Speaker 3: We saw the Giants lose the game, but the Broncos

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Speaker 3: capitalized off to the mistakes that the Giants made. Right,

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Speaker 3: so everyone could be happy, Adam Schefter, Ian Rapefoy, you

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Speaker 3: you know, everyone could be happy about that whole concept because.

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Speaker 5: Brian Dabo and the Giants offense did.

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Speaker 3: They did something that the Broncos did not do, something

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Speaker 3: that I hope that the Broncos did do. See, they

615
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Speaker 3: came up playing with a little more rhythm, rhythm and

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Speaker 3: a little tempo. And then also, well, whereas the Broncos

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Speaker 3: started the game passing no no, no, no, no, that's not

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Speaker 3: what Dabo did. We're gonna start the game running the ball,

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Speaker 3: which opened up all the crossros for the theo Johnson's and.

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Speaker 5: Ann Also, yes, because they set that up.

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Speaker 3: They set it up, so I mean, yes, epic collapse

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Speaker 3: by by the Giants throwing that interception that changed the

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Speaker 3: momentum because if you looked at the body language of

624
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Speaker 3: the fans, you looked at the body language of the players. Hell,

625
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Speaker 3: if you looked at the body language of the alumni.

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Speaker 3: I was standing around, let alone heard the words they

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Speaker 3: were saying, Yeah, I want to get to that.

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Speaker 5: I mean, that's a whole different level.

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Speaker 1: But you know, the Broncos had to complete both those

630
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Speaker 1: two point conversions, right of course, this first time since

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Speaker 1: nineteen n eighty seven that they've done that.

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Speaker 4: Like, they needed both of those, right, they needed all

633
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Speaker 4: these things.

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Speaker 1: But the Giants didn't just let them complete those, did they.

635
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:12,000
Speaker 4: No, of course not.

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Speaker 1: They didn't just let bo Nicks get two passing touchdowns

637
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Speaker 1: and two rushing touchdowns in a quarter, first time in

638
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Speaker 1: NFL history that that's happened.

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Speaker 4: He had to go make that happen, of course.

640
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Speaker 3: And that means that was a breakdown offensively by the

641
00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:28,360
Speaker 3: Giants because there were some batted balls on both sides.

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00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:30,840
Speaker 3: I mean in the first half and the first three quarters,

643
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Speaker 3: it was Bo who was victimized by the badd ball.

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00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:35,160
Speaker 4: Was like seven in this game.

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Speaker 3: In the fourth quarter it ended up being Jackson Dart

646
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Speaker 3: who was now victimized. So once again, each team made

647
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:45,000
Speaker 3: the plays that they needed to to well, in the

648
00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:47,720
Speaker 3: case of the Giants, to get them started. The Broncos

649
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Speaker 3: made the plays that they needed to in the fourth

650
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Speaker 3: quarter to finish the game. So when you look at

651
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Speaker 3: this Giants team. This team is going to be a

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Speaker 3: force to reckon with. They building a great defense, They

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Speaker 3: got two young players. They are missing malignate members. Once

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Speaker 3: they started to get healthy, you're gonna have to worry

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Speaker 3: about these Giants,