WEBVTT - 10-22-25 Sloan with Seth Walsh 0:00:00.040 --> 0:00:01.640 Don't want to be an American. 0:00:03.000 --> 0:00:05.040 He's got flown back on seven hundred the pretty well 0:00:05.200 --> 0:00:07.120 would just jump right back into it. 0:00:07.120 --> 0:00:10.520 Man over the fence, over the wall, as they say. 0:00:10.600 --> 0:00:14.640 City council members are pretty tight lipped about taking sides 0:00:14.760 --> 0:00:18.320 regarding the city manager's decision AKA after Perevol's decision a 0:00:18.400 --> 0:00:21.640 place Chief terias A. Thiji on leave. We heard from 0:00:21.680 --> 0:00:26.200 Ken Kober immediately following yesterday's press conference with Steve im 0:00:26.640 --> 0:00:29.360 at the Finny Law fram who is representing Chief Thiji 0:00:29.440 --> 0:00:31.840 in this whole situation. He came on my show live 0:00:31.880 --> 0:00:35.000 on seven hundred Wow, and his immediate reaction to this 0:00:35.000 --> 0:00:37.800 thing was like, listen, there's many in the rank and 0:00:37.800 --> 0:00:41.320 file weren't necessarily Teresa Thigi fans, but guess what we 0:00:41.400 --> 0:00:43.159 all are now because of what happened to her, that 0:00:43.200 --> 0:00:46.440 she's being railroaded out of her job and being called 0:00:46.680 --> 0:00:49.640 this this is nothing but politics and she's a political scapegoat. 0:00:49.960 --> 0:00:52.680 And finding out on her thirty fifth anniversary of or 0:00:52.760 --> 0:00:55.320 hire as a new cop and now the chief of Cincinnati, 0:00:55.360 --> 0:00:57.920 the first woman to do that long history of service 0:00:57.920 --> 0:00:59.760 for her family as an insult to the badge and 0:01:00.080 --> 0:01:03.040 salt to the whole process. And what's interesting about this 0:01:03.120 --> 0:01:06.280 after the followed very very few and that's, by the way, 0:01:06.680 --> 0:01:09.440 I may say, not serving all of them, but the 0:01:09.480 --> 0:01:12.280 only one to voice an opinion on counsel and this 0:01:12.360 --> 0:01:15.520 whole thing joins me now and that is Seth Wall Seth, 0:01:15.560 --> 0:01:21.800 good morning. I'm doing well, but I'm also probably doing 0:01:21.800 --> 0:01:23.760 better than you right now. I can't imagine what you 0:01:23.800 --> 0:01:26.319 woke up this morning and went in the seconds where 0:01:26.360 --> 0:01:27.960 the cobwebs are there, they go away. The first thing 0:01:27.959 --> 0:01:30.160 you probably thought of is is this dumpster fire? 0:01:32.680 --> 0:01:35.440 It's been It's been quite a week of chaos and 0:01:35.680 --> 0:01:40.000 hectic and yeah, it's been. It's been a week, Scott, 0:01:40.040 --> 0:01:42.679 and not the best week that we've had in Entity council. 0:01:42.840 --> 0:01:44.960 Yeah, is Terry Thiji the problem? 0:01:47.400 --> 0:01:50.280 You know, I think the problem with that question, Scott 0:01:50.400 --> 0:01:53.720 is how do we know that they're not telling you anything, 0:01:53.720 --> 0:01:56.360 They're not telling me anything. None of us know why 0:01:56.480 --> 0:02:00.480 this decision is being made. So is she's the problem. 0:02:00.600 --> 0:02:03.480 I'm waiting for the evidence to be shown to us. 0:02:04.360 --> 0:02:06.560 But in people, so wow, this is you know, it's 0:02:06.560 --> 0:02:09.360 share a long because the way it works is the chiefs, 0:02:09.360 --> 0:02:12.400 the chiefs administrators they all report to city manager share along. 0:02:12.440 --> 0:02:16.120 So this is Cheryl's But again, she's just the executioner, right, 0:02:16.360 --> 0:02:18.639 This is the mayor. This is af tad pirrival. This 0:02:18.680 --> 0:02:22.200 isn't Sheryl Long. She is a subordinate and she's doing 0:02:22.240 --> 0:02:24.680 what she I don't know what she is commanded to do, 0:02:24.720 --> 0:02:25.720 I suppose. 0:02:25.480 --> 0:02:27.240 Or I don't know. Is Cherylong run the whole thing? 0:02:27.240 --> 0:02:30.320 Either way, it's a horrible look for the mayor, especially 0:02:30.360 --> 0:02:32.280 with an election coming up in a couple of weeks. 0:02:33.320 --> 0:02:35.120 Well, I think it's a bad look for the city 0:02:35.200 --> 0:02:38.560 as a whole. You know, from everything that I've been told, 0:02:38.600 --> 0:02:40.320 which is pretty much what you see in the media. 0:02:40.360 --> 0:02:42.080 I mean, this seems to be a decision made by 0:02:42.120 --> 0:02:44.639 Cheryl Long, and I think that leads to a lot 0:02:44.639 --> 0:02:48.200 of questions about the fact that the police chief, at 0:02:48.200 --> 0:02:50.640 the end of the day, is a very important decision, 0:02:50.840 --> 0:02:53.120 especially when we are trying to get crime under control 0:02:53.200 --> 0:02:56.120 in our downtown or over the Rhine and in these 0:02:56.160 --> 0:02:58.280 neighborhoods were seeing spice and crime in It is a 0:02:58.400 --> 0:03:02.000 very very important decision to change the police chief, no 0:03:02.040 --> 0:03:04.000 matter when you're changing the police chief, but to change 0:03:04.040 --> 0:03:07.640 it in such a chaotic tactic fashion with no clear plan, 0:03:08.000 --> 0:03:10.840 no clear evidence about why the decision is being made. 0:03:11.520 --> 0:03:14.200 That is a massive problem, and it is I think 0:03:14.240 --> 0:03:16.880 it's I think Ken was spot on. I imagine this 0:03:16.919 --> 0:03:19.359 is terrible from hero out for the police department, because 0:03:19.800 --> 0:03:23.600 you know, even if it's not a situation of a scapegoat, 0:03:24.160 --> 0:03:27.520 it sure feels that way. And it's a situation that 0:03:27.600 --> 0:03:29.919 we need to be providing stability right now. We need 0:03:29.960 --> 0:03:31.760 to be showing leadership and we need to put our 0:03:31.800 --> 0:03:34.200 plan for because the most important thing is public safety, 0:03:34.560 --> 0:03:35.880 not personality conflicts. 0:03:36.440 --> 0:03:39.920 Seth Walsha immediately following the press conference yesterday with Steve Vam, 0:03:39.920 --> 0:03:42.840 who did a great job, by the way, I spoke 0:03:42.920 --> 0:03:45.440 to Ken Cobra, President the FFP live on the show, 0:03:45.800 --> 0:03:48.080 and that was one of the questions I had to him. 0:03:48.120 --> 0:03:50.120 It's like, we just spent what kramerting four and a 0:03:50.120 --> 0:03:54.800 half million dollars with Kramating, Jefferies, yourself and others voting 0:03:54.840 --> 0:03:56.800 to fund the police department. We got to get more 0:03:56.800 --> 0:03:59.000 bodies and we got to recruit. We're down one hundred 0:03:59.000 --> 0:04:01.440 and thirty one hundred and fifty officers. Can't have that. 0:04:01.440 --> 0:04:03.680 We've got have lateral recruiting class. We're going to pull 0:04:04.000 --> 0:04:07.200 officers from other jurisdictions and make an appeal to them 0:04:07.200 --> 0:04:10.240 with money and the job at hand, to come to 0:04:10.320 --> 0:04:14.040 Cincinnati and work here, and work for a district and 0:04:14.080 --> 0:04:16.160 make a difference in crime, make some money yourself and 0:04:16.200 --> 0:04:16.440 all that. 0:04:16.440 --> 0:04:17.080 That's all well and good. 0:04:17.080 --> 0:04:19.400 Four and a half million dollars does in this whole 0:04:19.440 --> 0:04:22.600 move undermine that, because if I'm a officer, if I'm 0:04:22.640 --> 0:04:24.320 a beat cup, and let's say I don't know I 0:04:24.440 --> 0:04:27.760 work in a jurisdiction, I'm maybe considering making the move 0:04:27.760 --> 0:04:28.520 over to Cincinnati. 0:04:28.520 --> 0:04:28.840 Go ahole. 0:04:28.880 --> 0:04:31.040 On second look, they look how dirty they just did 0:04:31.080 --> 0:04:34.720 the chief, and that's a chief. I'm nobody. What chance 0:04:34.760 --> 0:04:37.599 do I have? So did we just shoot ourselves in 0:04:37.640 --> 0:04:39.600 the foot? We opened the coffers up to four and 0:04:39.640 --> 0:04:42.039 a half mill but at the same time send the 0:04:42.080 --> 0:04:44.560 message out that we don't know what we're doing over here, 0:04:44.760 --> 0:04:47.640 and we'll make you escapegoat politically if we have to. 0:04:49.240 --> 0:04:52.240 Well, that's where my concern comes in in terms of 0:04:52.760 --> 0:04:55.599 there's a lot of concern I have here. But yes, 0:04:55.680 --> 0:04:58.920 when we're talking about our law enforcement members, not only 0:04:59.279 --> 0:05:02.600 the morale of existing police rale of those we're trying 0:05:02.600 --> 0:05:05.600 to hire, But is that plan even heading forward the 0:05:05.920 --> 0:05:08.040 five and a half five point four million dollars we 0:05:08.160 --> 0:05:10.480 just allocated, Like, what is the plan for that now? 0:05:10.560 --> 0:05:13.520 Because it was moving forward under the last police chief 0:05:13.680 --> 0:05:17.680 who's currently on administrative lease. It's not That's what That's 0:05:17.720 --> 0:05:21.080 my frustration. Where I'm most upset right now is we 0:05:21.120 --> 0:05:23.360 are trying to get crime under control in the city 0:05:23.400 --> 0:05:26.200 of Cincinnati. It is not clear the stability in the 0:05:26.240 --> 0:05:28.520 past for that, because nothing's been laid out to us 0:05:28.560 --> 0:05:30.960 other than this hectic process that we've all watched play 0:05:30.960 --> 0:05:33.680 out of the media. We've named an interim police chief 0:05:33.720 --> 0:05:36.599 who by all accounts is an amazing individual and going 0:05:36.640 --> 0:05:38.800 to be a great leader for the department. But it's 0:05:38.839 --> 0:05:41.240 not clear what the transition is and what's carrying on 0:05:41.279 --> 0:05:42.960 and what the problem even was in the first place. 0:05:42.960 --> 0:05:45.159 But let's just change. So how can you and I 0:05:45.200 --> 0:05:47.880 even confidently say we know what's happening next? You know, 0:05:48.040 --> 0:05:49.480 is all the plans we've done for the last two 0:05:49.480 --> 0:05:51.680 months drown out the window and we're starting fresh or 0:05:51.760 --> 0:05:53.680 are we continuing it? And if we're continuing it, how 0:05:53.680 --> 0:05:55.720 are we going to provide the confidence people that that's 0:05:55.720 --> 0:05:58.280 what's happening. I don't know, and that is not an 0:05:58.279 --> 0:06:00.960 acceptable answer for somebody who's city on Tony Caln Famili 0:06:01.040 --> 0:06:03.359 give you, And it's not an acceptable answer for the 0:06:03.360 --> 0:06:06.240 city manager to give us that as the solution right 0:06:06.240 --> 0:06:07.880 now is that we don't have enough information to even 0:06:07.920 --> 0:06:10.479 answer that question. So yeah, I'm very worried about that. 0:06:10.600 --> 0:06:12.599 Yeah, and as I understand, I don't know any but 0:06:12.640 --> 0:06:14.800 I understand from the rank and file many they respect him. 0:06:14.839 --> 0:06:15.320 They love the guy. 0:06:15.320 --> 0:06:17.440 I mean, he's the guy that wrote that citation a 0:06:17.480 --> 0:06:20.440 month later or charged anyway, the white guy in the brawl, 0:06:21.240 --> 0:06:24.560 because that was at the behest of the rabid reverence 0:06:24.600 --> 0:06:27.040 out there who demanded a flash demanded of Whitey be 0:06:27.200 --> 0:06:29.520 charged because he got black guys who were an assault 0:06:29.560 --> 0:06:32.000 and no officer on the scene would write it because 0:06:32.080 --> 0:06:34.040 they didn't think a crime was committed. But he took 0:06:34.320 --> 0:06:37.240 essentially the political bullet and said, okay, final, I'll be 0:06:37.279 --> 0:06:39.839 the one that puts my name to this, this thing 0:06:40.400 --> 0:06:42.000 that got that ball rolling. And that was all the 0:06:42.040 --> 0:06:44.920 behest of the mayor's office. So that's greasy and dirty 0:06:44.920 --> 0:06:47.840 as well, because that is a potential civil rights violation. 0:06:48.160 --> 0:06:50.480 Which you know, again, when you're fighting to keep your 0:06:50.480 --> 0:06:53.400 nose above water like aftap Purivalis and keep his political 0:06:53.440 --> 0:06:56.039 career going, that seems like a pretty big misstep to me. 0:06:56.400 --> 0:06:59.080 You open yourself up for a civil rights case. But 0:06:59.400 --> 0:07:01.480 I don't know, does they only care about this election 0:07:01.600 --> 0:07:03.680 coming up and damn the torpedoes. 0:07:03.680 --> 0:07:04.800 We'll see what happens after that. 0:07:07.480 --> 0:07:10.080 You know, again, I don't know. From everything I've heard, 0:07:10.440 --> 0:07:13.200 it doesn't sound like this was the mayor's decision, which 0:07:13.240 --> 0:07:16.400 I know is you know, we think the way the 0:07:16.400 --> 0:07:18.440 city government works, that this would be the mayor's decision. 0:07:18.520 --> 0:07:21.280 This is legally and technically the city manager's decision. And 0:07:21.720 --> 0:07:23.800 everything that I've heard behind the scenes, which again it's 0:07:23.840 --> 0:07:25.960 not much more than what you've heard, does not sound 0:07:26.000 --> 0:07:27.920 like the mayor's the one who made the decision on this. 0:07:28.000 --> 0:07:30.400 It sounds like the mayor may have been aware of 0:07:30.400 --> 0:07:34.760 conversations transpiring behind the scenes which led to comments last week, 0:07:34.800 --> 0:07:38.520 But beyond that, I don't have anything to indicate that 0:07:38.560 --> 0:07:40.040 a have to have was the one who made the decision. 0:07:40.120 --> 0:07:42.480 Ultimately, well, there was a political component to this, There's 0:07:42.480 --> 0:07:47.120 no question about it. This wasn't a criminal charge. This 0:07:47.160 --> 0:07:48.360 was a political charge. 0:07:49.160 --> 0:07:51.560 Yeah, I mean I think that that's one of the 0:07:51.600 --> 0:07:54.040 big questions. Why does this decision made? Right now? What 0:07:54.200 --> 0:07:56.880 was the urgency that required this decision to be made 0:07:57.280 --> 0:08:00.000 so quickly that the police chief had a flyback from Colorada? 0:08:00.200 --> 0:08:02.440 And I've asked that question. I don't have a satisfactory 0:08:02.480 --> 0:08:07.480 answer to it, right, And it seems like there was again, 0:08:07.560 --> 0:08:09.800 I mean, it's chaos, and it seems like chaos reigned 0:08:09.880 --> 0:08:13.080 for thirty six hours at city Hall and bad decisions 0:08:13.120 --> 0:08:15.480 were made and that's not okay and that's not acceptable, 0:08:16.120 --> 0:08:18.840 and that's the big problem here. Some people need to 0:08:18.840 --> 0:08:20.560 come out and say what actually happened and led to 0:08:20.560 --> 0:08:22.840 this and why this decision was made. You know, this 0:08:22.920 --> 0:08:25.880 is a really big decision and the absence of information 0:08:26.040 --> 0:08:28.920 leads to rampant speculation that is not good for anybody. 0:08:29.120 --> 0:08:31.560 And I don't understand why people are so gun try 0:08:31.600 --> 0:08:33.280 to come out and just say what happened and what 0:08:33.360 --> 0:08:35.280 led to this decision. It's not like we don't know 0:08:35.280 --> 0:08:37.439 what's happening. You know. Last Wednesday, I think they put 0:08:37.440 --> 0:08:39.920 out like three press releases saying that she was still employed, 0:08:40.720 --> 0:08:42.439 which is you know, you know that Scott you're in 0:08:42.480 --> 0:08:43.880 the media is like, that's the kiss of death. 0:08:44.160 --> 0:08:46.400 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't I don't understand you. 0:08:46.760 --> 0:08:49.320 We're good at reducing force around here, so we know this, 0:08:49.400 --> 0:08:51.560 but I don't heard when somebody get called back from 0:08:51.840 --> 0:08:53.679 a conference in Denver and going, hey, you got to 0:08:53.679 --> 0:08:55.480 get back here right away because you've got a we've 0:08:55.520 --> 0:08:59.240 got a violence emergency. Well, you know, the emergency would 0:08:59.240 --> 0:09:01.640 have happened immediately. What happened to Mountain Square, this was, 0:09:01.800 --> 0:09:05.080 this was after that. There's nothing newsworthy going on, and 0:09:05.160 --> 0:09:06.800 just out of the blue, she's in Denver and now 0:09:06.840 --> 0:09:08.400 we got to pull the plug on or doesn't make 0:09:08.400 --> 0:09:11.000 any sense. And I brought up A. Henny's name earlier, 0:09:11.040 --> 0:09:13.520 and he seems like a great guy, be a great chief. 0:09:13.600 --> 0:09:17.040 But I guess the question is, wasn't that Terry the 0:09:17.280 --> 0:09:19.000 We don't know why Terry Thigi got fired in the 0:09:19.000 --> 0:09:22.719 first place. There's no reason around this. And technically she's 0:09:22.760 --> 0:09:25.080 not fired, she's still on administrative leave. So there's that 0:09:25.200 --> 0:09:27.320 level of confusion. What are you getting with Henny that 0:09:27.360 --> 0:09:29.280 you didn't have with Thiji. Nobody knows. 0:09:31.080 --> 0:09:33.240 Right, and you know, again, a hard number one priority 0:09:33.280 --> 0:09:36.960 has to be public safety. So you know, I I 0:09:36.960 --> 0:09:39.160 think Henny is going to do a great job. But 0:09:39.280 --> 0:09:40.880 at the end of the day, you know, things I've 0:09:40.880 --> 0:09:43.520 heard from police officers are are we being held accountable 0:09:43.559 --> 0:09:46.800 for the fact that crime is happening? And I can't 0:09:46.840 --> 0:09:48.640 imagine what the morale is and I have it. It's 0:09:48.640 --> 0:09:50.440 a very difficult question for me to answer right now 0:09:50.480 --> 0:09:52.560 because I don't know what we're holding her accountable for. 0:09:52.960 --> 0:09:55.760 There may ver will be a good reason, Scott that 0:09:55.800 --> 0:09:57.360 you and I would agree with and say, yeah, that's 0:09:57.400 --> 0:09:59.520 the right decision, and you know, it had to happen urgently, 0:09:59.559 --> 0:10:03.000 but we absent of information, we don't know that, and 0:10:03.040 --> 0:10:06.880 so the perception is chaos, and uh, you know, we're 0:10:06.880 --> 0:10:10.120 reacting to crime, but we're reacting now to it as 0:10:10.160 --> 0:10:12.360 opposed to over the summer, where you and I've had 0:10:12.400 --> 0:10:15.520 multiple conversations about it, and this is just it doesn't 0:10:15.559 --> 0:10:18.200 make sense. And I think the clarity is so badly 0:10:18.280 --> 0:10:20.920 needed because it is going to have a negative impact 0:10:21.000 --> 0:10:22.640 on our police, it's going to have a negative impact 0:10:22.640 --> 0:10:24.320 on our citizen morale, it's going to have a negative 0:10:24.320 --> 0:10:26.040 impact on what we are trying to do as a city. 0:10:26.280 --> 0:10:28.280 And right now, I don't think that we need that. 0:10:29.280 --> 0:10:31.880 Forget the election. Think about Cincinnati and what we are 0:10:31.920 --> 0:10:33.680 trying to achieve. You and I talk about economic development 0:10:33.679 --> 0:10:34.920 all the time. You know, right now is when we 0:10:34.960 --> 0:10:37.360 need the inspiring confidence that we've got this under control, 0:10:37.400 --> 0:10:39.960 because we want people coming downtown, we want people coming 0:10:40.000 --> 0:10:42.440 to over the run. This is not a good time 0:10:42.480 --> 0:10:44.959 to indicate in any way that we you know, we're not. 0:10:45.120 --> 0:10:47.320 We don't have a plan for how we're handling public safety. 0:10:47.679 --> 0:10:49.760 And again there may very well be a plan. They 0:10:49.800 --> 0:10:51.840 come out and tell it to us, show us what 0:10:51.960 --> 0:10:52.480 the plan is. 0:10:53.320 --> 0:10:55.400 I don't have a censor as a plan, Council Member 0:10:55.480 --> 0:10:57.200 sas Walsh, I really really don't. 0:10:57.800 --> 0:10:57.880 Uh. 0:10:58.000 --> 0:11:00.400 Here's the issue, though, you're out now campaigning as all 0:11:00.400 --> 0:11:02.400 members of council are, when election coming up in just 0:11:02.440 --> 0:11:05.400 a few short days, you're almost down to the wire 0:11:05.480 --> 0:11:07.760 right now. When you talk to your constituents, When you 0:11:07.760 --> 0:11:10.960 talk to the good people of Cincinnati, not only the citizens, 0:11:10.960 --> 0:11:13.320 but also the people who operate and own businesses in 0:11:13.360 --> 0:11:15.719 in downtown, just to maybe travelers too as well, who 0:11:15.720 --> 0:11:18.040 the hell knows you make contact with. What is the 0:11:18.080 --> 0:11:19.800 consensus among the constituents in this. 0:11:21.640 --> 0:11:24.480 I mean I'm hearing. I imagine this is what you're 0:11:24.520 --> 0:11:26.960 hearing and what people are feeling who are listening to this. 0:11:27.160 --> 0:11:32.520 You know, Opinions about the police chief varied, but opinions 0:11:32.559 --> 0:11:35.040 about how this has been handled are pretty unified, which 0:11:35.080 --> 0:11:37.360 is that she didn't deserve to be treated this way 0:11:37.400 --> 0:11:40.680 so publicly. It's not clear why it happened, and so 0:11:40.960 --> 0:11:44.959 the opinions on the entire process is that it is 0:11:45.160 --> 0:11:48.520 it's been atrocious and that nobody deserves to go through this, 0:11:49.000 --> 0:11:51.400 least of all for not a clear reason about why. 0:11:51.679 --> 0:11:53.960 And people are pretty offended by it, and I think 0:11:54.080 --> 0:11:57.280 rightfully so, and I think again, absence of information, it 0:11:57.320 --> 0:11:58.840 looks bad. It looks really bad. 0:11:59.040 --> 0:12:01.400 Oh, the FOP should have voted no confidence on the 0:12:01.400 --> 0:12:03.840 mayor's conduct here in an indirect way that with Thigi 0:12:03.920 --> 0:12:06.480 and now they're standing behind Fiji going listen. There are 0:12:06.559 --> 0:12:08.800 numbers who had issues with Terry and how she ran 0:12:08.840 --> 0:12:10.840 the shop, as you will with any boss for that matter. 0:12:10.920 --> 0:12:14.640 But at the same time everyone is coalesced. I guess 0:12:14.640 --> 0:12:17.120 on the thin blue line to say this is outrageous 0:12:17.320 --> 0:12:20.400 and there's no plan going the way I look at 0:12:20.440 --> 0:12:23.000 it politically, Seth is what's the strategy here. I mean 0:12:23.040 --> 0:12:25.840 you have turmoil with an interim chief, which implies you 0:12:25.920 --> 0:12:28.560 have no control over crime and that it's all Terry 0:12:28.559 --> 0:12:31.000 Thigi's fault. You mean, Kenny the chief. It's a fresh start. 0:12:31.360 --> 0:12:34.480 Then you get to the election. Were the repercussions here? 0:12:34.520 --> 0:12:37.000 Because I'll be honest with you, even with this nonsense 0:12:37.000 --> 0:12:39.200 and this mess that's going on right now in this 0:12:39.360 --> 0:12:42.760 S show and the way this has been handled, I 0:12:42.800 --> 0:12:44.959 don't know how Aftab loses the election. 0:12:45.040 --> 0:12:45.880 I really don't. 0:12:46.120 --> 0:12:48.680 I mean he can, I suppose, but I don't see 0:12:48.679 --> 0:12:51.680 this huge ground swell for Corey Bowman, who's a political 0:12:51.760 --> 0:12:54.320 no name upcomer, and Jad Vans's brother dad has baggage. 0:12:54.360 --> 0:12:54.920 You know what I'm saying. 0:12:55.800 --> 0:13:00.360 Well, I mean I saw a great faith and of 0:13:00.400 --> 0:13:02.960 the Cincinnati and I do think that his election results 0:13:03.000 --> 0:13:05.600 will be very positive for him. But I think it's 0:13:05.640 --> 0:13:09.080 important to remind you, know, your listeners, that Cincinnati is 0:13:09.080 --> 0:13:11.640 three branches of government. You know, it's the mayor, it's 0:13:11.640 --> 0:13:13.839 the city Council and this administration, and all three are 0:13:13.920 --> 0:13:17.800 are theoretically equal. So you know, the mayor, I think 0:13:17.880 --> 0:13:20.320 you're right, he's going to get re elected city Council. 0:13:20.360 --> 0:13:22.720 Obviously that the vote there is important for people to 0:13:22.720 --> 0:13:25.880 show up and make their voices heard, but also equally 0:13:25.920 --> 0:13:28.680 so you know, even if you know all eight incumbents 0:13:28.679 --> 0:13:31.360 are re elected and you know we get the ninth member, 0:13:31.400 --> 0:13:34.600 Bryan James elected on the Democratic slate there, people may 0:13:34.600 --> 0:13:37.839 feel frustrated, but the administration is still equal on here 0:13:38.120 --> 0:13:39.840 that you know, you should be expecting us to be 0:13:39.840 --> 0:13:42.240 asking these hard questions of You should be asking us 0:13:42.280 --> 0:13:44.360 and expecting us to be challenging them to come up 0:13:44.400 --> 0:13:46.080 with the answers and tell us what is going on 0:13:46.400 --> 0:13:48.840 in a public setting, not behind closed doors, not in 0:13:48.880 --> 0:13:51.280 a way that you know it's not clear, because this 0:13:51.360 --> 0:13:53.280 is too big and too important of an issue not 0:13:53.320 --> 0:13:55.760 to have clear answers off for the public. And I 0:13:55.760 --> 0:13:58.720 think that's really important people understand. You know, the mayor 0:13:58.760 --> 0:14:01.319 and city council are your voices near representatives the way 0:14:01.520 --> 0:14:03.480 our government is set up, as the administration's in charge, 0:14:03.520 --> 0:14:05.160 and if we are not getting clear answers, we need 0:14:05.240 --> 0:14:07.040 to be pushing them to get the clear answers. And 0:14:07.080 --> 0:14:09.160 we can't just rest on our laurels and say like, 0:14:09.200 --> 0:14:11.480 well that's their decision. We need answers we need to. 0:14:11.480 --> 0:14:12.679 Hold them agaut and we do. 0:14:13.080 --> 0:14:14.480 This is one way to do it. Let's make it 0:14:14.520 --> 0:14:15.520 clear where we're frustrated. 0:14:15.559 --> 0:14:19.800 All right, voters most likely will choose AFTAB over Corey Bowman. 0:14:20.640 --> 0:14:22.400 But at the same time, does this have an effect 0:14:22.480 --> 0:14:25.440 down ticket? Should you be concerned as well? Should the 0:14:25.440 --> 0:14:27.320 other members of council because so many people that are 0:14:27.360 --> 0:14:30.080 running because of the way this was mishandled. We've got 0:14:30.120 --> 0:14:32.360 so many hats in the ring right now. Anything can happen. 0:14:33.160 --> 0:14:35.200 You say you support AFT to add pureval, but what 0:14:35.240 --> 0:14:36.320 if you cost you your seat? 0:14:38.680 --> 0:14:41.560 Like anybody running for any office should be scared when 0:14:41.600 --> 0:14:43.040 they have to go out there. They have to earn 0:14:43.280 --> 0:14:46.640 votes every single day. It's one of the reasons that 0:14:46.680 --> 0:14:49.080 I'm trying to be vocal about this. I think the 0:14:49.200 --> 0:14:51.720 people's for people need to feel their frustration is being 0:14:51.800 --> 0:14:55.720 vocalized at an elucts of leadership capacity. I think anybody 0:14:55.840 --> 0:14:57.800 running right now should be worried and should be willing 0:14:57.800 --> 0:15:00.280 to take a stance on this issue, and they have 0:15:00.280 --> 0:15:03.200 their opinions known on this issue because this is an 0:15:03.240 --> 0:15:06.440 important issue that determines kind of how the next administration 0:15:06.600 --> 0:15:09.440 operates in terms of you know, whoever gets elected this cycle. 0:15:09.800 --> 0:15:12.840 And if you're not willing to speak out, if you're 0:15:12.840 --> 0:15:15.120 not willing to challenge and the hold people accountable. You know, 0:15:15.160 --> 0:15:16.920 that's the role of a city council member is to 0:15:16.960 --> 0:15:19.360 hold the administration accountable, to ask the hard questions. It's 0:15:19.360 --> 0:15:21.080 how you and not to become I would say we're 0:15:21.080 --> 0:15:23.560 friends now, Scott, but you know, we started having these 0:15:23.720 --> 0:15:26.320 conversations about a bridge fire where they thought that three 0:15:26.400 --> 0:15:28.880 years was acceptable to take to get it fixed, and 0:15:28.920 --> 0:15:30.920 I've said, no way, and we got done one hundred days. 0:15:31.200 --> 0:15:33.680 That's why we start talking about snowclouds, because we didn't 0:15:33.680 --> 0:15:35.520 plow six hundred streets and we had to hold people 0:15:35.560 --> 0:15:38.840 accountable and ultimately the DPS director retired because of that, 0:15:39.080 --> 0:15:40.920 and we got somebody in there that is going to 0:15:40.920 --> 0:15:42.920 get our streets cloud this year. And that is the 0:15:43.000 --> 0:15:45.080 job of the city council member. And if you're not 0:15:45.120 --> 0:15:47.280 willing to speak out the whole the administration accountable, I 0:15:47.280 --> 0:15:49.760 don't know why you should be elected to it. And 0:15:49.800 --> 0:15:51.760 I think that you guys should be holding people accountable 0:15:51.880 --> 0:15:54.440 and challenging us to speak out and say these things. 0:15:54.680 --> 0:15:56.240 We can all be the same party. We can all 0:15:56.240 --> 0:15:58.080 be friends, but our job is accountability. 0:15:58.640 --> 0:16:00.960 I can't say all Seth Walsh. 0:16:00.960 --> 0:16:03.760 I can't say all members of council beside yourself, but 0:16:04.040 --> 0:16:07.280 most members of council and maybe y'all. No one wants 0:16:07.320 --> 0:16:09.760 to come out publicly and chastise the mayor and call 0:16:09.840 --> 0:16:11.320 them out as you just did on the show. 0:16:11.840 --> 0:16:13.720 Why is that? Why do you think that is that 0:16:13.760 --> 0:16:15.200 you're the only one willing to do it. 0:16:17.120 --> 0:16:20.120 I don't know, Scott, and I will prefer to you 0:16:20.160 --> 0:16:21.760 to figure that one out for me. I don't have 0:16:21.880 --> 0:16:23.840 enough money to go to therapy to get that answer. 0:16:25.480 --> 0:16:28.880 Well, I mean, it's not I don't understand. It seems 0:16:28.880 --> 0:16:30.760 to me maybe we're just trying to protect the brand. 0:16:30.800 --> 0:16:33.120 Like if I'm a Democrat, I'm not allowed to criticize 0:16:33.120 --> 0:16:35.800 another Democrat. You just did that, and I think you're 0:16:35.800 --> 0:16:38.200 going to be fine. It's okay. We need to get 0:16:38.240 --> 0:16:40.640 back to it. Whether it's same with the Republicans. Republicans, Hey, 0:16:40.680 --> 0:16:41.880 you can't criticize Trump. 0:16:42.080 --> 0:16:44.120 Yeah you can. You're supposed to. That's how the system 0:16:44.160 --> 0:16:44.640 works up. 0:16:45.240 --> 0:16:47.440 I mean, I got I get in fights when I 0:16:47.480 --> 0:16:49.600 was younger, all the time with my two brothers. I 0:16:49.640 --> 0:16:51.400 still love them. I take a bullet for either one 0:16:51.440 --> 0:16:54.280 or both of them. But you're allowed to disagree with people. 0:16:55.960 --> 0:17:00.320 Yeah, I agree, and I try to lead by sample, 0:17:00.360 --> 0:17:03.720 and I hope you know it is scary sometimes to 0:17:04.000 --> 0:17:05.520 step on the ledge and take the phone call with you, 0:17:05.560 --> 0:17:07.480 Scott and say, I don't know his opening question is 0:17:07.520 --> 0:17:08.840 going to be today, but we'll find out. 0:17:09.200 --> 0:17:10.440 Oh that's two of us. 0:17:11.320 --> 0:17:13.880 Yeah right, so we're always surprised. It's always a fun time. 0:17:13.920 --> 0:17:17.520 But yeah, I hope others get the confidence and the 0:17:17.560 --> 0:17:19.359 courage to be speak out too, because I think on 0:17:19.440 --> 0:17:21.520 issues like this it's too important to stay silent. 0:17:21.840 --> 0:17:24.640 Yeah, yeah, all right, I know you got to get going, Seth. 0:17:24.640 --> 0:17:27.360 I appreciate it. Hopefully you can brave through this. Council member, 0:17:27.400 --> 0:17:31.520 Seth walshould appreciate your vote. I'm sure very thoughtful as always, 0:17:31.560 --> 0:17:33.720 and we'll see where this goes. But I even think 0:17:33.720 --> 0:17:36.360 the people who know I don't know where it's going 0:17:36.400 --> 0:17:38.080 at this point, and that's a scary part. All the best, 0:17:38.160 --> 0:17:38.760