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Speaker 1: Don't want to be an American.

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Speaker 2: He's got flown back on seven hundred the pretty well

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Speaker 1: Man over the fence, over the wall, as they say.

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Speaker 2: City council members are pretty tight lipped about taking sides

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Speaker 2: place Chief terias A. Thiji on leave. We heard from

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Speaker 2: at the Finny Law fram who is representing Chief Thiji

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Speaker 2: in this whole situation. He came on my show live

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Speaker 2: on seven hundred Wow, and his immediate reaction to this

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Speaker 2: thing was like, listen, there's many in the rank and

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Speaker 2: file weren't necessarily Teresa Thigi fans, but guess what we

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Speaker 2: all are now because of what happened to her, that

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Speaker 2: she's being railroaded out of her job and being called

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Speaker 2: this this is nothing but politics and she's a political scapegoat.

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Speaker 2: And finding out on her thirty fifth anniversary of or

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Speaker 2: hire as a new cop and now the chief of Cincinnati,

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Speaker 2: the first woman to do that long history of service

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Speaker 2: for her family as an insult to the badge and

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Speaker 2: salt to the whole process. And what's interesting about this

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Speaker 2: after the followed very very few and that's, by the way,

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Speaker 2: I may say, not serving all of them, but the

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Speaker 2: only one to voice an opinion on counsel and this

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Speaker 2: whole thing joins me now and that is Seth Wall Seth,

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Speaker 2: good morning. I'm doing well, but I'm also probably doing

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Speaker 2: better than you right now. I can't imagine what you

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Speaker 2: the cobwebs are there, they go away. The first thing

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Speaker 2: you probably thought of is is this dumpster fire?

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Speaker 3: It's been It's been quite a week of chaos and

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Speaker 3: hectic and yeah, it's been. It's been a week, Scott,

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Speaker 3: and not the best week that we've had in Entity council.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, is Terry Thiji the problem?

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Speaker 3: You know, I think the problem with that question, Scott

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Speaker 3: is how do we know that they're not telling you anything,

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Speaker 3: They're not telling me anything. None of us know why

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Speaker 3: I'm waiting for the evidence to be shown to us.

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Speaker 2: But in people, so wow, this is you know, it's

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Speaker 2: share a long because the way it works is the chiefs,

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Speaker 2: the chiefs administrators they all report to city manager share along.

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Speaker 2: So this is Cheryl's But again, she's just the executioner, right,

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Speaker 2: This is the mayor. This is af tad pirrival. This

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Speaker 2: isn't Sheryl Long. She is a subordinate and she's doing

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Speaker 1: Or I don't know. Is Cherylong run the whole thing?

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Speaker 2: Either way, it's a horrible look for the mayor, especially

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Speaker 2: with an election coming up in a couple of weeks.

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Speaker 3: Well, I think it's a bad look for the city

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Speaker 3: of questions about the fact that the police chief, at

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Speaker 3: the end of the day, is a very important decision,

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Speaker 3: especially when we are trying to get crime under control

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Speaker 3: very very important decision to change the police chief, no

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Speaker 3: matter when you're changing the police chief, but to change

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Speaker 3: it in such a chaotic tactic fashion with no clear plan,

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Speaker 3: That is a massive problem, and it is I think

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Speaker 3: you know, even if it's not a situation of a scapegoat,

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Speaker 3: not personality conflicts.

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Speaker 2: Seth Walsha immediately following the press conference yesterday with Steve Vam,

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Speaker 2: to Ken Cobra, President the FFP live on the show,

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Speaker 2: It's like, we just spent what kramerting four and a

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Speaker 2: We've got have lateral recruiting class. We're going to pull

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Speaker 1: That's all well and good.

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Speaker 3: Go ahole.

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Speaker 2: On second look, they look how dirty they just did

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Speaker 3: Well, that's where my concern comes in in terms of

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Speaker 3: there's a lot of concern I have here. But yes,

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Speaker 3: Because it was moving forward under the last police chief

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Speaker 3: my frustration. Where I'm most upset right now is we

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Speaker 3: other than this hectic process that we've all watched play

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Speaker 3: But let's just change. So how can you and I

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and as I understand, I don't know any but

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Speaker 1: They love the guy.

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Speaker 2: I mean, he's the guy that wrote that citation a

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Speaker 2: behest of the mayor's office. So that's greasy and dirty

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Speaker 2: as well, because that is a potential civil rights violation.

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Speaker 2: Which you know, again, when you're fighting to keep your

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Speaker 2: You open yourself up for a civil rights case. But

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Speaker 1: We'll see what happens after that.

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Speaker 3: You know, again, I don't know. From everything I've heard,

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Speaker 3: it doesn't sound like this was the mayor's decision, which

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Speaker 3: This is legally and technically the city manager's decision. And

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Speaker 3: It sounds like the mayor may have been aware of

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Speaker 3: But beyond that, I don't have anything to indicate that

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Speaker 2: Ultimately, well, there was a political component to this, There's

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I think that that's one of the

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Speaker 3: And I've asked that question. I don't have a satisfactory

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's chaos, and it seems like chaos reigned

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Speaker 3: the media is like, that's the kiss of death.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't I don't understand you.

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Speaker 2: We're good at reducing force around here, so we know this,

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Speaker 2: but I don't heard when somebody get called back from

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Speaker 2: got a violence emergency. Well, you know, the emergency would

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Speaker 2: But I guess the question is, wasn't that Terry the

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Speaker 2: We don't know why Terry Thigi got fired in the

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Speaker 2: first place. There's no reason around this. And technically she's

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Speaker 2: level of confusion. What are you getting with Henny that

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Speaker 2: you didn't have with Thiji. Nobody knows.

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Speaker 3: Right, and you know, again, a hard number one priority

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Speaker 3: And right now, I don't think that we need that.

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Speaker 3: Obviously that the vote there is important for people to

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Speaker 3: that you know, you should be expecting us to be

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Speaker 3: This is one way to do it. Let's make it

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Speaker 2: All right, voters most likely will choose AFTAB over Corey Bowman.

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Speaker 3: Like anybody running for any office should be scared when

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Speaker 3: how you and not to become I would say we're

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Speaker 3: We can all be the same party. We can all

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Speaker 1: I can't say all Seth Walsh.

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Speaker 2: I can't say all members of council beside yourself, but

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Speaker 1: Why is that? Why do you think that is that

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Speaker 3: I don't know, Scott, and I will prefer to you

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean, it's not I don't understand. It seems

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Speaker 2: Like if I'm a Democrat, I'm not allowed to criticize

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Speaker 1: Yeah you can. You're supposed to. That's how the system

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Speaker 2: I mean, I got I get in fights when I

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree, and I try to lead by sample,

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Speaker 3: Scott and say, I don't know his opening question is

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Speaker 1: Oh that's two of us.

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Speaker 3: Yeah right, so we're always surprised. It's always a fun time.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, I hope others get the confidence and the

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, all right, I know you got to get going, Seth.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate it. Hopefully you can brave through this. Council member,

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Speaker 3: Thanks Scott, take care.

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Speaker 2: You know, we just had the no King's protest down people.

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Speaker 2: Donald Trump is as it's chaos. He's making rast's decisions,

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Speaker 2: No accountability, investigations by law enforcement that are politically compromised,

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