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Speaker 1: Rich Tomorrow. It is Tuesday.

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Speaker 2: Every morning, Instagram at rich on Tech website, Richontech dot TV,

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Speaker 2: and Happy Tuesday, Rich, Good.

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Speaker 3: Morning, Happy Tuesday too. I'm surprised you didn't say Taco Tuesday.

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Speaker 2: I generally do say Taco Tuesday. By the way, I

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Speaker 2: just missed out. Yeah today, It's only eighty percent of

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Speaker 2: the time that I've been saying Taco Tuesday. So I

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Speaker 2: humbly apologize that I didn't say it. Starting with this segment, Okay,

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Speaker 2: we got a lot of stuff to cover, and hope

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Speaker 2: we get to as many of them as we can.

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Speaker 2: Let's start the most controversial gadget you have ever tested.

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Speaker 3: This one's wild. This is called b It's a fifty

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Speaker 3: dollars wristband, and it basically listens to your day and

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Speaker 3: captures that audio, transcribes it, and uses AI to come

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Speaker 3: up with insights, to come up with patterns, to come

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Speaker 3: up with facts about you, to do lists, I mean,

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Speaker 3: all kinds of stuff. It's kind of like a if

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Speaker 3: you had a personal assistant that walked around with you

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Speaker 3: all day and just took notes and to the app,

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Speaker 3: but it's all there, yeah, analyzes, so it's wow. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So if you so, if you're you get religion during

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Speaker 2: the day in the evening and you're screaming oh God,

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Speaker 2: oh God at the top of your lungs. Uh, that

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Speaker 2: will be analyzed, correct.

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Speaker 3: Yes, it will be. Yeah, you should maybe take this

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Speaker 3: thing off if if you're you're practicing your religion. It's

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Speaker 3: called b by the way, and this is a company.

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Speaker 3: It was a startup. Amazon bought them shortly after they

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Speaker 3: were created, so now it's owned by Amazon. They call

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Speaker 3: it an ambient AI computing band, so, uh, it looks

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Speaker 3: like a fitbit basically, it's really small. I wore it

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Speaker 3: for a couple of weeks and uh, you know it's

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Speaker 3: kind of and you're the lawyer here, but you know

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Speaker 3: it's listening. So a lot of people have emailed me said, Rich,

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Speaker 3: this is legal in California. You can't it's a two

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Speaker 3: party consent state. Amazon says that this is actually not recording,

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Speaker 3: it's it's capturing whatever that like, the audio is not saved,

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Speaker 3: so it's I just found it really fascinating. I don't

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Speaker 3: know if I want to wear this thing long term

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Speaker 3: because it does capture everything.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that is an interesting legal issue.

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Speaker 1: I love that. Is it for sale now? Is it

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's for sales. Fifty bucks the battery last two week.

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Speaker 2: Right, you have said that's I mean, that's not very

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Speaker 2: much money. Okay, let's let's keep on going. There's a

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Speaker 2: trial and we talked about this before, but it's going

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Speaker 2: on right now in Los Angeles. And this is huge.

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Speaker 2: I mean it's not being covered enough. And that is

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Speaker 2: the addiction trial where all the major platforms basically are

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Speaker 2: being sued because kids are addicted and they're planning it,

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Speaker 2: I meaning their platforms.

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Speaker 1: So what's going on with that.

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Speaker 3: Right Well, that's the question they're trying to figure out

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Speaker 3: in the court of law here in Los Angeles. So

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Speaker 3: the defendants right now are Meta, which owns Facebook and Instagram,

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Speaker 3: and then Google's YouTube which a lot of kids watch

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Speaker 3: what's called YouTube shorts, that's their version of TikTok. TikTok.

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Speaker 3: And Snap actually already settled right before the trial started,

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Speaker 3: so we don't know what they settled for, how much

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Speaker 3: they settle. But the plaintiff here is a twenty year

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Speaker 3: old woman who says she became addicted to these platforms

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Speaker 3: as a teenager, she developed anxiety depression, body dysmorphia, and

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Speaker 3: her lawyers say that it was all because these apps

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Speaker 3: never let it go. Meanwhile, YouTube and Meta deny all

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Speaker 3: of this, of course, as they would as they are

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Speaker 3: big companies. They say that no, it's not their apps

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Speaker 3: that caused all these things for her, it's her family

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Speaker 3: trauma that caused it all. And so now this is

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Speaker 3: the first big test case. And if if this woman

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Speaker 3: open the floodgates for thousands of other similar cases across

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Speaker 2: I can't imagine that it would be a class action lawsuit.

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Speaker 2: It couldn't even begin to think that it would not be.

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Speaker 2: And the as you said, the settlement of those two

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Speaker 1: It has to be in the billions and billions of

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Speaker 2: It almost reminds me of the big tobacco That settlement

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Speaker 2: pharma industry with fall with the Purdue leading the leading

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Speaker 2: the list of defendants, and that went for set I

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Speaker 1: It went for one hundreds something billion dollars. I mean,

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Speaker 2: And the number of planets as astronomical as you said,

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Speaker 2: this is going to just explode in terms of these

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Speaker 2: lawsuits to the point where these companies are going to take.

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Speaker 1: A really good hit, a big hit, and then they

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Speaker 3: Just a hit, but yeah, they got to they got

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Speaker 3: to think about, you know, their actions in the future.

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Speaker 3: But you know how they design these apps? How you know,

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Speaker 3: are they addictive? Do they are they a little mini

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Speaker 3: slot machine in your pocket? You know? Are they are

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Speaker 3: they targeting kids? And I think Bill, you can comment

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Speaker 3: the jury here is is there I assume there's a

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Speaker 3: if anyone has kids and they've seen the effect that

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Speaker 3: grandkids or any kids or their teacher. They know that

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Speaker 3: they do hook kids in and these kids cannot escape it.

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Speaker 3: Some adults can't escape it. So I think that that

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Speaker 3: is the big question here is you know who in

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Speaker 3: the world is going to say that these apps are

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Speaker 3: not designed to keep you going forever until your eyeballs

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Speaker 1: Like I say, by the way, just.

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Speaker 2: A personal note, And I don't know if you can

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Speaker 2: you believe that those those apps are designed to grab kids?

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Speaker 3: There's not even a doubt in my mind. Now is

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Speaker 3: Zuckerberg and you know his staff saying hey make this

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Speaker 3: more addictive? Probably not. But if you don't think that

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Speaker 3: it's just there's no number one from a business standpoint,

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Speaker 3: that's what you want. They're not sitting here saying how

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Speaker 2: Right Rich chat GPT where you go to is now,

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Speaker 2: well you may start seeing ads.

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Speaker 1: And here is the question.

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Speaker 2: Normally, don't they make enough money simply by data mining

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Speaker 3: Uh, everything has to go to ads because chatchybt at

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Speaker 3: this point is not data mining. They're not selling the

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Speaker 3: information they gather so far. They primarily make their money

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Speaker 3: So they need to turn a profit, and the way

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Speaker 3: for free at this point, you may start to see

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Speaker 3: guess it's just your your answers on chat GBT. So

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Speaker 3: you're also going to pay or you're also going to

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Speaker 3: see ads. So bottom line, you're going to start to

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Speaker 3: see ads. Chattypt is doing it in a way bill

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Speaker 3: where they say it's going to be private. They're not

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Speaker 3: sharing your data with the advertisers, they're not sharing your

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Speaker 3: chats with the advertisers, and they're keeping everything in a

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Speaker 2: At what time or in your opinion, do you think

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Speaker 1: I hit all three of them.

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Speaker 3: I mean yeah, I mean here, here's the deal. We

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Speaker 3: There is a treasure trove of information about trends, what

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Speaker 3: very careful. And right now they're still building their business,

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Speaker 2: The last one, Waimo is admitting that humans sometimes take over.

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Speaker 2: You go, wait a minute, those Weimo cars, there's nobody

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Speaker 1: How does that work?

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Speaker 3: Okay, this I thought was wild because we know that

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Speaker 3: Weaimo says their software, they call it the most experienced

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Speaker 3: that some of its robotaxis actually phone a friend when

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Speaker 3: These are workers that are not necessarily driving the cars,

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Speaker 3: of interesting because we always thought that Weymo's were fully autonomous.

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Speaker 3: I don't know what they're doing. But the reality is

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Speaker 3: they can be operating from remote of a distance that long.

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Speaker 3: By the way, there is a car service in Las

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Speaker 3: make no bones about it. They're driving their cars remotely.

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Speaker 3: And so Bill, instead of getting an uber you would,

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Speaker 3: let's say you need a rental car or a ride somewhere. Okay,

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Speaker 3: they will drive this car autonomously to your house, pick

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Speaker 3: that's driving this car is remotely driving. So imagine your

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Speaker 3: Uber driver is sitting in an office building with a

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Speaker 3: of them.

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Speaker 1: Okay, and that's the company called Oivy. Do I have

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Speaker 1: that right?

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Speaker 3: I think it's just Vey, but I think fired by

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Speaker 3: So I understood you might be saying that when you're

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Speaker 3: in the car though.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, rich Well we'll talk again next Tuesday.

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Speaker 2: This weekend eleven am to two pm rich On Tech,

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Speaker 2: the segment KTLA every morning Instagram at rich on Tech website,

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Speaker 2: richon Tech dot tv. And we'll catch you next week.

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Speaker 3: Thanks Bill.

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Speaker 1: All right, wame o.

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Speaker 2: Drivers Remote drivers in the Philippines.

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Speaker 1: Boy, that's news to me. And I'll bet you that

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Speaker 1: they sing.

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Speaker 2: Peelings, nothing more than peelings.

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Speaker 1: Okay, we're done, guys,