1 00:00:03,960 --> 00:00:07,080 Speaker 1: We cause it that there is a whiteness pandemic behind 2 00:00:07,120 --> 00:00:11,840 Speaker 1: the racism pandemic, and that this begins in the family system, 3 00:00:11,880 --> 00:00:15,880 Speaker 1: where young children are socialized into the culture of whiteness 4 00:00:15,880 --> 00:00:16,960 Speaker 1: within white families. 5 00:00:17,880 --> 00:00:18,800 Speaker 2: It's so bad. 6 00:00:21,600 --> 00:00:26,800 Speaker 3: Far left programming University of Minnesota labels whiteness a pandemic 7 00:00:28,360 --> 00:00:32,520 Speaker 3: that you just That audio you just heard was from 8 00:00:32,520 --> 00:00:38,360 Speaker 3: the lab director. Doctor Gail Ferguson won an award for 9 00:00:38,479 --> 00:00:43,120 Speaker 3: her abstract for the paper from the Society of General Psychology, 10 00:00:43,200 --> 00:00:47,120 Speaker 3: Reading Family socialization into the centuries old The culture of 11 00:00:47,159 --> 00:00:52,280 Speaker 3: whiteness involving color blindness, passivity, and fragility perpetuates and perpetuates 12 00:00:52,400 --> 00:00:57,840 Speaker 3: US racism, reflecting an insidious whiteness pandemic. The study concluded 13 00:00:57,920 --> 00:01:03,040 Speaker 3: that parents' attitudes toward race correlated with their level of 14 00:01:03,200 --> 00:01:08,840 Speaker 3: racial identity developments, suggesting that silence on racial events like 15 00:01:08,920 --> 00:01:13,479 Speaker 3: George Floyd's death reflected lower progress in anti racism. 16 00:01:14,920 --> 00:01:20,480 Speaker 4: John have Jim from Oktale, Happy Thanksgiving to everyone. If 17 00:01:20,480 --> 00:01:22,520 Speaker 4: we're going to get rid of the whiteness culture, does 18 00:01:22,560 --> 00:01:26,039 Speaker 4: that mean I won't be picked last for my pickup 19 00:01:26,080 --> 00:01:26,839 Speaker 4: basketball game? 20 00:01:27,560 --> 00:01:30,440 Speaker 3: Just thinking I actually think you would be picked last 21 00:01:30,720 --> 00:01:33,520 Speaker 3: for you for your pickup basketball game. 22 00:01:33,520 --> 00:01:36,959 Speaker 5: I don't know this culture of whiteness does it? Does 23 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:41,039 Speaker 5: it involve being polite to your neighbors, respecting their boundaries, 24 00:01:41,680 --> 00:01:43,800 Speaker 5: not screaming and yelling at the drop of a hat 25 00:01:43,840 --> 00:01:47,040 Speaker 5: because your fiefees got hurt, Or maybe it's respectful rule 26 00:01:47,080 --> 00:01:47,480 Speaker 5: of law. 27 00:01:47,800 --> 00:01:51,760 Speaker 3: It's whatever they want on the left, and it's inherently 28 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:56,840 Speaker 3: anti Christian while you're at it, judging people based only 29 00:01:56,840 --> 00:01:59,320 Speaker 3: on their skin color they want to play. This game 30 00:01:59,360 --> 00:02:04,240 Speaker 3: of witeness refers to a culture, not biology. You don't 31 00:02:04,240 --> 00:02:06,520 Speaker 3: get to do that. You don't get to have white 32 00:02:06,560 --> 00:02:08,360 Speaker 3: in the title and then say, oh, but it's not 33 00:02:08,480 --> 00:02:11,320 Speaker 3: about color of her skin. No, that's exactly what you're 34 00:02:11,360 --> 00:02:14,960 Speaker 3: talking about. And ultimately, what are we talking about. We're 35 00:02:14,960 --> 00:02:19,280 Speaker 3: talking about sin that's in everybody. But because if you 36 00:02:19,320 --> 00:02:24,440 Speaker 3: want to attain money, power and influence, it's harder when 37 00:02:24,480 --> 00:02:27,640 Speaker 3: you're exercising personal responsibility and being rational when you actually 38 00:02:27,639 --> 00:02:29,960 Speaker 3: have to work for it. What we're seeing here from 39 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:31,680 Speaker 3: doctor Gail Ferguson, and what I'll. 40 00:02:31,480 --> 00:02:32,280 Speaker 2: Get into. 41 00:02:33,919 --> 00:02:37,880 Speaker 3: Is that this is the lazy approach coming from the 42 00:02:37,960 --> 00:02:42,239 Speaker 3: left because there's a major grift involved in all of this. 43 00:02:43,840 --> 00:02:47,000 Speaker 3: Critics argue that the framing is both unscientific and overtly 44 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:51,600 Speaker 3: accusatory because it is the study surveyed a highly specific demographic, 45 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:55,880 Speaker 3: predominantly liberal educated, upper middle class white mothers in Minnesota, 46 00:02:55,960 --> 00:03:01,480 Speaker 3: raising serious questions about the generalization of ability of the conclusions. 47 00:03:01,480 --> 00:03:05,799 Speaker 3: By defining an entire racist culture is inherently problematic, and 48 00:03:05,840 --> 00:03:09,720 Speaker 3: the framing of all white people's contributors to systemic racism 49 00:03:09,760 --> 00:03:14,280 Speaker 3: the university needs effectively assigning collective guilt based on skin color. 50 00:03:14,360 --> 00:03:17,000 Speaker 3: Let's look at this another way. If you went and 51 00:03:17,080 --> 00:03:19,880 Speaker 3: switched out whiteness for any other demographic, do you have 52 00:03:20,040 --> 00:03:22,560 Speaker 3: any idea the outrage and. 53 00:03:22,639 --> 00:03:24,040 Speaker 2: Chaos that would ensue. 54 00:03:26,960 --> 00:03:27,240 Speaker 6: I do. 55 00:03:29,919 --> 00:03:32,240 Speaker 2: Let's take, for example, the current issue relating to. 56 00:03:32,200 --> 00:03:38,800 Speaker 3: The fraud here in Minnesota perpetuated by specific demographics of individuals. 57 00:03:39,840 --> 00:03:43,800 Speaker 3: If you were to go and offer up skin color 58 00:03:44,200 --> 00:03:48,880 Speaker 3: in the commentary, talk about this being a pandemic that 59 00:03:48,960 --> 00:03:51,240 Speaker 3: you need to go through and buy all these courses 60 00:03:51,240 --> 00:03:55,680 Speaker 3: and watch all these videos to undo this pandemic relating 61 00:03:55,720 --> 00:03:59,400 Speaker 3: to a specific culture, when we're talking about the systemic 62 00:03:59,480 --> 00:04:05,240 Speaker 3: problem actually speaking of fraud. If I were to go 63 00:04:05,400 --> 00:04:11,160 Speaker 3: and proceed with commentary like that on the show, I mean, 64 00:04:11,160 --> 00:04:12,840 Speaker 3: I've be yanked off the air before I even had 65 00:04:12,840 --> 00:04:15,840 Speaker 3: a chance to close the segment, before I had a 66 00:04:15,920 --> 00:04:18,880 Speaker 3: chance to turn off my mic. It'd be turned off 67 00:04:18,920 --> 00:04:24,680 Speaker 3: for me for crying out loud. And yet individuals on 68 00:04:24,760 --> 00:04:29,760 Speaker 3: the left, you know, are receiving awards for this garbage. 69 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:33,920 Speaker 3: I mean, think about the Langstys. Country has gone to 70 00:04:33,920 --> 00:04:37,320 Speaker 3: to make sure that everybody here in America has an 71 00:04:37,360 --> 00:04:43,440 Speaker 3: equal shot promote equal rights anti discrimination laws that we have, 72 00:04:43,760 --> 00:04:51,120 Speaker 3: and yet these radicals pedal this discriminatory garbage. So I 73 00:04:51,160 --> 00:04:53,359 Speaker 3: went through I have all of the curriculum here. I 74 00:04:53,400 --> 00:04:55,080 Speaker 3: have to share some of these points with you. It's 75 00:04:55,200 --> 00:04:59,400 Speaker 3: it's it's as it's as it's as comical, as it 76 00:04:59,520 --> 00:05:03,160 Speaker 3: is racist, as it is ridiculous, and as it is dangerous. 77 00:05:03,160 --> 00:05:06,760 Speaker 3: It is all of those things. So the whiteness pandemic 78 00:05:06,839 --> 00:05:09,400 Speaker 3: you have, m let's run through some of this. We found, 79 00:05:09,560 --> 00:05:14,320 Speaker 3: according to the research right doctor Ferguson explaining Whiteness Pandemic 80 00:05:14,360 --> 00:05:18,080 Speaker 3: paper the public significant statement of the paper itself, we 81 00:05:18,160 --> 00:05:22,440 Speaker 3: found that most white Minneapolis mothers again displayed apathy or 82 00:05:22,480 --> 00:05:26,120 Speaker 3: were overwhelmed or fearful and avoided discussing George Floyd's murder 83 00:05:26,480 --> 00:05:30,320 Speaker 3: or systemic racism with their children. On the other hand, 84 00:05:30,360 --> 00:05:36,120 Speaker 3: mothers with more advanced white racial identity development. Only seventeen 85 00:05:36,160 --> 00:05:41,520 Speaker 3: percent of individuals who embraced multiculturalism more fully and felt 86 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:45,080 Speaker 3: less of a need to protect their own ethnic racial 87 00:05:45,120 --> 00:05:49,360 Speaker 3: group displayed grief, concern, and hope, and discussed to Floyd's 88 00:05:49,480 --> 00:05:52,920 Speaker 3: murder and black lives matter with their children using color 89 00:05:53,040 --> 00:05:56,359 Speaker 3: and power conscious parenting. So you mean to tell me 90 00:05:56,400 --> 00:06:00,680 Speaker 3: that parents had different views and opinions on how they 91 00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:03,080 Speaker 3: wanted to raise their children, because. 92 00:06:02,839 --> 00:06:03,560 Speaker 2: That's all this is. 93 00:06:04,600 --> 00:06:04,880 Speaker 7: Ah. 94 00:06:04,920 --> 00:06:08,120 Speaker 3: But you see, according to the peddlers of the white 95 00:06:08,400 --> 00:06:14,400 Speaker 3: pandemic narrative in mythology, only one view in opinion is appropriate. 96 00:06:14,920 --> 00:06:19,880 Speaker 3: Otherwise you are a bacteria or the virus contributing to 97 00:06:20,040 --> 00:06:25,200 Speaker 3: the whiteness pandemic. How do we halt and reverse the 98 00:06:25,200 --> 00:06:28,880 Speaker 3: whiteness pandemic? According to the curriculum, if you were born 99 00:06:28,960 --> 00:06:31,120 Speaker 3: or raised in the United States, you have grown up 100 00:06:31,120 --> 00:06:34,000 Speaker 3: in the whiteness pandemic and you can play a role 101 00:06:34,040 --> 00:06:38,080 Speaker 3: in halting and reversing this pandemic, especially if you are white, 102 00:06:38,680 --> 00:06:42,000 Speaker 3: because of the power and privilege you hold in this 103 00:06:42,200 --> 00:06:46,680 Speaker 3: racialized society. But isn't that interesting that they focus specifically 104 00:06:46,720 --> 00:06:52,160 Speaker 3: on white with the capital W in that wherein in 105 00:06:52,520 --> 00:06:57,360 Speaker 3: the previous part of the curriculum it says whiteness refers 106 00:06:57,400 --> 00:06:58,800 Speaker 3: to culture and not biology. 107 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:00,720 Speaker 2: And yet right there. 108 00:07:01,080 --> 00:07:04,200 Speaker 3: Especially if you're white, because the power and privilege you 109 00:07:04,320 --> 00:07:09,200 Speaker 3: hold in this racialized society. So again, as I mentioned, 110 00:07:09,200 --> 00:07:13,280 Speaker 3: this is all about skin color. If you were socialized 111 00:07:13,320 --> 00:07:17,120 Speaker 3: into the culture also of whiteness during childhood, it's not 112 00:07:17,160 --> 00:07:17,560 Speaker 3: your fault. 113 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:18,640 Speaker 2: Oh, it's not your fault, guys. 114 00:07:20,040 --> 00:07:22,440 Speaker 3: But as an adult now, it's your responsibility to self 115 00:07:22,440 --> 00:07:25,040 Speaker 3: reflector re educate yourself and to act. If you are 116 00:07:25,080 --> 00:07:29,080 Speaker 3: a white adult, anti racist action involves the ongoing process 117 00:07:29,120 --> 00:07:34,320 Speaker 3: of self reflection in order to develop a healthy, positive 118 00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:41,280 Speaker 3: white identity while engaging in courageous anti racist parenting and caregiving. 119 00:07:41,760 --> 00:07:46,440 Speaker 2: Did you catch that? You see, you're unhealthy in your. 120 00:07:46,320 --> 00:07:50,679 Speaker 3: White identity if you don't adopt or in other terms, 121 00:07:51,120 --> 00:07:55,760 Speaker 3: by all of the various books and curriculum and University 122 00:07:55,760 --> 00:08:01,600 Speaker 3: of Minnesota courses and videos to make you an anti racist. 123 00:08:03,040 --> 00:08:05,440 Speaker 3: So you are unhealthy unless you do all the things. 124 00:08:05,440 --> 00:08:09,600 Speaker 3: But if you buy all that stuff and you bend 125 00:08:09,680 --> 00:08:13,280 Speaker 3: venan to the wokeness on the left, then maybe just 126 00:08:13,360 --> 00:08:17,120 Speaker 3: maybe you can be healthy. And if you're healthy, then 127 00:08:17,160 --> 00:08:19,800 Speaker 3: you're not, you know, contributing to the pandemic. 128 00:08:22,160 --> 00:08:23,000 Speaker 5: Good morning, John. 129 00:08:23,200 --> 00:08:26,040 Speaker 1: This whole whiteness pandemic thing is just nuts. 130 00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:31,200 Speaker 8: If it is, as she says, a cultural thing, who 131 00:08:31,200 --> 00:08:33,880 Speaker 8: are we to say which culture is better than another culture? 132 00:08:33,960 --> 00:08:38,240 Speaker 2: We're not, Yeah, we're not. We're not. 133 00:08:40,480 --> 00:08:43,920 Speaker 3: Practical resources for self reflection to develop a healthy white 134 00:08:43,960 --> 00:08:46,800 Speaker 3: to racial identity. As the next section in this piece, 135 00:08:47,960 --> 00:08:50,960 Speaker 3: talking to children about race, racism and anti racism is 136 00:08:51,040 --> 00:08:54,480 Speaker 3: only beneficial if you as a white parent. Again, I 137 00:08:54,480 --> 00:08:57,680 Speaker 3: thought this was supposed to be about not about biology culture, 138 00:08:57,679 --> 00:09:01,240 Speaker 3: But again they're pointing to the white parent, are personally 139 00:09:01,360 --> 00:09:05,160 Speaker 3: committed to growth in your own anti racism journey. Many 140 00:09:05,240 --> 00:09:07,880 Speaker 3: white parents are already on this journey by self reflecting 141 00:09:07,920 --> 00:09:11,160 Speaker 3: on and pursuing growth in their own white racial identity, 142 00:09:11,160 --> 00:09:14,560 Speaker 3: which actively listening to and amplifying the voices of black 143 00:09:14,559 --> 00:09:18,520 Speaker 3: individuals and other individuals of color. Here are some suggestions 144 00:09:18,559 --> 00:09:23,120 Speaker 3: for ways to further develop your own white racial identity. 145 00:09:23,880 --> 00:09:25,920 Speaker 2: Now, before we do that, though, I just have a question. 146 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:28,640 Speaker 3: What if I just say, hey, I don't care what 147 00:09:28,679 --> 00:09:29,520 Speaker 3: your skin color is. 148 00:09:30,480 --> 00:09:37,000 Speaker 2: Can I be excused. Can I go play dodgeball? Maybe 149 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:38,240 Speaker 2: not today, the weather's pretty bad. 150 00:09:40,320 --> 00:09:43,000 Speaker 3: Here's some of the suggestions though to deal with here 151 00:09:43,640 --> 00:09:47,520 Speaker 3: your unhealthy white racial identity. Showing up for Racial Justice 152 00:09:48,520 --> 00:09:51,600 Speaker 3: a national network with local chapters working to undermine white 153 00:09:51,679 --> 00:09:53,920 Speaker 3: supremacy and advance racial justice. 154 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:55,800 Speaker 2: So become an activist essentially. 155 00:09:55,920 --> 00:09:59,040 Speaker 3: Oh, support Black Lives Matter, the global organization working to 156 00:09:59,080 --> 00:10:03,719 Speaker 3: eradicate white supers. Listen to talk seriously and follow the 157 00:10:03,760 --> 00:10:08,760 Speaker 3: stories and recommendations of Black Lives Matter. Okay, so again, 158 00:10:08,880 --> 00:10:12,800 Speaker 3: be an activist. Or you can read the Me and 159 00:10:12,880 --> 00:10:17,440 Speaker 3: White Supremacy Workbook. The workbook is centered on self reflection 160 00:10:17,600 --> 00:10:22,960 Speaker 3: as the necessary personal work required for aligning values. Or 161 00:10:23,040 --> 00:10:25,880 Speaker 3: you could take advantage of the guide to Being a 162 00:10:25,920 --> 00:10:29,160 Speaker 3: White Person or Understanding the White Person in your Life 163 00:10:29,480 --> 00:10:33,960 Speaker 3: titled a Race is a Nice Thing to have. The 164 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:36,640 Speaker 3: short book, they say, is extremely accessible and packed with 165 00:10:36,720 --> 00:10:40,360 Speaker 3: practical exercises at the end of many of the chapters, 166 00:10:40,400 --> 00:10:42,520 Speaker 3: as well as space to journal at the end of 167 00:10:42,559 --> 00:10:45,160 Speaker 3: the book. Oh, that's where you can go and write 168 00:10:45,160 --> 00:10:49,280 Speaker 3: about how horrible a person you are. You can also 169 00:10:49,320 --> 00:10:51,720 Speaker 3: read the handout on racial healing called what does it 170 00:10:51,760 --> 00:10:54,880 Speaker 3: Mean to Be an Anti racist. That offers a concise 171 00:10:55,040 --> 00:10:58,240 Speaker 3: outline of what it means to become anti racist as 172 00:10:58,320 --> 00:11:02,960 Speaker 3: a white person. Oh, and then also what it means 173 00:11:02,960 --> 00:11:05,079 Speaker 3: to become anti racist as a person of color. 174 00:11:06,040 --> 00:11:09,160 Speaker 2: Do I get a badge with all of these? Is 175 00:11:09,200 --> 00:11:10,160 Speaker 2: it like the boy Scouts? 176 00:11:11,240 --> 00:11:13,160 Speaker 3: Do I get a vest and I can proudly show 177 00:11:13,160 --> 00:11:17,880 Speaker 3: off all of my anti racism achievements? Probably not, because 178 00:11:18,640 --> 00:11:22,600 Speaker 3: then I'm looking towards merit and there's nothing. There's nothing 179 00:11:22,640 --> 00:11:26,679 Speaker 3: merit based about what we're talking about about here. You're 180 00:11:26,679 --> 00:11:28,760 Speaker 3: not allowed to go and feel good about yourself if 181 00:11:28,800 --> 00:11:32,280 Speaker 3: you've been contributing to the white to the whiteness pandemic. 182 00:11:34,480 --> 00:11:36,040 Speaker 3: All right, there is a little bit more that we 183 00:11:36,120 --> 00:11:38,280 Speaker 3: need to get to regarding this, and we'll do that 184 00:11:38,320 --> 00:11:42,360 Speaker 3: coming up after we talk with Representative Tom emmer w 185 00:11:42,360 --> 00:11:45,560 Speaker 3: he'll give us his thoughts on the City journal Christopher 186 00:11:45,679 --> 00:11:50,880 Speaker 3: rufo bombshell story last week saying that the Minnesota taxpayer 187 00:11:50,960 --> 00:11:54,559 Speaker 3: is the largest funder of the Al Shabab terrorist network. 188 00:11:54,600 --> 00:11:56,360 Speaker 3: And we'll get back to more of your talk backs 189 00:11:56,360 --> 00:11:58,760 Speaker 3: as well from the iHeartRadio app. Those are brought to 190 00:11:58,800 --> 00:12:01,320 Speaker 3: you by Lyndall Realty here on Twin Cities News Talk 191 00:12:01,360 --> 00:12:04,240 Speaker 3: AM eleven thirty and one oh three five FM. 192 00:12:04,160 --> 00:12:07,480 Speaker 2: Twenty four hours a day, every day of the year. 193 00:12:07,880 --> 00:12:10,200 Speaker 2: We are here with the latest forecast of at top 194 00:12:10,240 --> 00:12:10,959 Speaker 2: and bottom of. 195 00:12:11,040 --> 00:12:15,719 Speaker 1: Every hour every hour three twin Cities News Talk AM eleven. 196 00:12:15,440 --> 00:12:20,520 Speaker 9: Thirty and one oh three point five FM. 197 00:12:20,800 --> 00:12:25,400 Speaker 3: Researchers at the University of Minnesota's Institute of Child Development 198 00:12:25,440 --> 00:12:29,760 Speaker 3: facing criticism after launching a website claiming that America is 199 00:12:29,800 --> 00:12:36,400 Speaker 3: suffering from a whiteness pandemic. I was encouraged to see 200 00:12:37,960 --> 00:12:41,200 Speaker 3: I believe the first So the first time I saw 201 00:12:41,240 --> 00:12:45,000 Speaker 3: this was I'm ninety percent sure that it was leftists 202 00:12:45,040 --> 00:12:49,840 Speaker 3: of MN is either a Leftist of MN on x 203 00:12:50,040 --> 00:12:52,000 Speaker 3: or it was libs of TikTok. That's the why I 204 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:55,960 Speaker 3: first saw this yesterday. Immediately went and posted a video 205 00:12:56,760 --> 00:13:00,120 Speaker 3: up on TikTok and the social media talking about it. 206 00:13:00,720 --> 00:13:03,480 Speaker 3: Within matter of a couple hours, while I was doing prep, 207 00:13:03,559 --> 00:13:06,040 Speaker 3: this story was everywhere everybody had it. I was working 208 00:13:06,040 --> 00:13:09,199 Speaker 3: off the version here. The website, created by the Institute's 209 00:13:09,200 --> 00:13:14,120 Speaker 3: Culture and Family Lab, titled Whiteness Pandemic Resources for Parents, Educators, 210 00:13:14,120 --> 00:13:18,000 Speaker 3: and other caregivers, states that racism is an epidemic that 211 00:13:18,040 --> 00:13:21,120 Speaker 3: can also be considered a pandemic given its large cross 212 00:13:21,280 --> 00:13:28,200 Speaker 3: national proportion and spread. I was encouraged to see that 213 00:13:28,240 --> 00:13:32,440 Speaker 3: this was now being talked about on almost all of 214 00:13:32,480 --> 00:13:34,040 Speaker 3: the various websites. 215 00:13:34,120 --> 00:13:36,000 Speaker 2: Not the local news. 216 00:13:37,559 --> 00:13:40,800 Speaker 3: Websites, mind you, but just my other conservative outlets and 217 00:13:41,280 --> 00:13:44,240 Speaker 3: other prominent commentators. We're all talking about this because it 218 00:13:44,280 --> 00:13:49,600 Speaker 3: really is just that ridiculous. This talkback makes an excellent point, 219 00:13:49,640 --> 00:13:51,840 Speaker 3: one that I hadn't gotten to, but I had planned to. 220 00:13:52,280 --> 00:13:54,000 Speaker 2: I'll let them go ahead and make the point for me, 221 00:13:54,720 --> 00:13:58,360 Speaker 2: so honestly, if they want racist, this is how they 222 00:13:58,400 --> 00:14:02,000 Speaker 2: make racists. It's just so stupid. 223 00:14:02,520 --> 00:14:10,079 Speaker 3: The whole anti racism grift is racist. I would love 224 00:14:10,120 --> 00:14:13,559 Speaker 3: to have just a quick conversation with doctor Gail Ferguson. 225 00:14:13,600 --> 00:14:16,080 Speaker 2: This was the audio we have been sharing this morning, Todd. 226 00:14:16,160 --> 00:14:19,560 Speaker 3: This is from the course Practical Resources of Self Reflection 227 00:14:19,640 --> 00:14:23,520 Speaker 3: to Develop a Healthy White racial Identity. And it's also hypocritical, 228 00:14:23,560 --> 00:14:26,240 Speaker 3: as we've been talking about at the very beginning, it 229 00:14:26,320 --> 00:14:30,360 Speaker 3: says that this is not about biology, whiteness is a culture, 230 00:14:30,400 --> 00:14:33,680 Speaker 3: and yet throughout all of the curriculum it talks about 231 00:14:33,880 --> 00:14:38,320 Speaker 3: white parents, white children. And if you think that still 232 00:14:38,400 --> 00:14:42,680 Speaker 3: is referring to a culture, not biology. In the same 233 00:14:42,920 --> 00:14:46,600 Speaker 3: sentences it talks about persons of color, so they are 234 00:14:46,680 --> 00:14:50,880 Speaker 3: absolutely separating the two out. They toss that, oh, it's 235 00:14:50,920 --> 00:14:55,080 Speaker 3: not about biology, it's about culture, because it's almost an 236 00:14:55,120 --> 00:15:00,720 Speaker 3: acknowledgment from them of how divisive and racist the curriculum 237 00:15:00,800 --> 00:15:01,720 Speaker 3: in and of itself is. 238 00:15:01,920 --> 00:15:05,000 Speaker 1: We pause it that there is a whiteness pandemic behind 239 00:15:05,040 --> 00:15:09,760 Speaker 1: the racism pandemic, and that this begins in the family system, 240 00:15:09,800 --> 00:15:13,800 Speaker 1: where young children are socialized into the culture of whiteness 241 00:15:13,840 --> 00:15:17,280 Speaker 1: within white families. Our first recommendation is to remember that 242 00:15:17,320 --> 00:15:19,280 Speaker 1: the whiteness pandemic is a pandemic. 243 00:15:20,080 --> 00:15:23,320 Speaker 3: If you're further in this piece, by the way, and 244 00:15:23,320 --> 00:15:25,160 Speaker 3: I haven't gotten to it yet, but it says race 245 00:15:25,200 --> 00:15:28,040 Speaker 3: matters in the United States because racism still exists and 246 00:15:28,080 --> 00:15:32,080 Speaker 3: it's going to exist long after this curriculum is deployed. 247 00:15:32,480 --> 00:15:35,479 Speaker 2: And to the other talkbackers point, if. 248 00:15:35,320 --> 00:15:39,200 Speaker 3: A lot of people actually buy in to this mythology 249 00:15:39,280 --> 00:15:41,840 Speaker 3: that's been created on the left, there will be much 250 00:15:41,880 --> 00:15:44,800 Speaker 3: more racism here in America than there would have been 251 00:15:44,840 --> 00:15:46,840 Speaker 3: without it. And that's what I would love to go 252 00:15:46,880 --> 00:15:50,040 Speaker 3: and talk to. Doctor Gail Ferguson about first off, is. 253 00:15:50,240 --> 00:15:57,880 Speaker 2: She without sin? Does she have no bias at all? 254 00:15:58,040 --> 00:16:02,560 Speaker 3: You worked through what she's written in this and she's 255 00:16:02,640 --> 00:16:07,880 Speaker 3: doing exactly the thing that she wrote the paper about 256 00:16:09,600 --> 00:16:12,800 Speaker 3: the whiteness pandemic, all of the criticism that she is 257 00:16:12,840 --> 00:16:20,560 Speaker 3: putting on one demographic of individuals, she's perpetuating the same 258 00:16:20,640 --> 00:16:24,640 Speaker 3: belief in mentality. Critical race theory in and of itself 259 00:16:24,760 --> 00:16:29,520 Speaker 3: is racist. And Ibram x Kendy, who's one of the 260 00:16:29,640 --> 00:16:33,160 Speaker 3: architects of critical race theory, the Marxist ideology that this 261 00:16:33,280 --> 00:16:37,600 Speaker 3: mythology was born from, has said straight up, this is 262 00:16:37,680 --> 00:16:41,960 Speaker 3: countering racism with racism. 263 00:16:42,120 --> 00:16:45,560 Speaker 9: John listening to all this professor with doing that thing 264 00:16:45,560 --> 00:16:48,120 Speaker 9: with my finger is just trying to break down the 265 00:16:48,200 --> 00:16:52,640 Speaker 9: nuclear family and destroy what's going on right now. 266 00:16:52,840 --> 00:16:59,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, because again this is a lot more lucrative getting power, 267 00:16:59,200 --> 00:17:02,600 Speaker 3: money and gain influence. This is the lazy way to 268 00:17:02,640 --> 00:17:03,920 Speaker 3: do it, and it's a heck of a lot more 269 00:17:04,000 --> 00:17:07,439 Speaker 3: lucrative to do it this way than it is to 270 00:17:07,480 --> 00:17:08,919 Speaker 3: have it be merit based. 271 00:17:09,720 --> 00:17:13,760 Speaker 2: Oh my god, just listening to this, Martin Luther King 272 00:17:13,800 --> 00:17:15,800 Speaker 2: would be rolling in his grave. 273 00:17:17,600 --> 00:17:22,040 Speaker 10: More than everybody. It's Chad from Delano so, hey, white people, 274 00:17:22,200 --> 00:17:24,960 Speaker 10: you're racist if you don't teach your kids to hate 275 00:17:24,960 --> 00:17:28,560 Speaker 10: yourselves and you don't buy all our stuff and you 276 00:17:28,600 --> 00:17:32,639 Speaker 10: don't follow the narrative. It's kind of a fun little 277 00:17:33,440 --> 00:17:37,440 Speaker 10: thing that started up when Obama became president. He ran 278 00:17:37,520 --> 00:17:40,280 Speaker 10: on that kind of stuff, and then everyone voted for 279 00:17:40,359 --> 00:17:42,320 Speaker 10: him because they could say, hey, I voted for him, 280 00:17:42,320 --> 00:17:46,480 Speaker 10: See I'm not racist. Anyways, have a great da. 281 00:17:48,320 --> 00:17:48,679 Speaker 1: John. 282 00:17:49,720 --> 00:17:54,119 Speaker 9: The most maddening part of all this is that we've 283 00:17:54,160 --> 00:17:56,040 Speaker 9: got to pay for that crap. 284 00:17:58,280 --> 00:18:00,639 Speaker 3: My apologies. By the way, I got my mixed up 285 00:18:00,680 --> 00:18:02,560 Speaker 3: on Representative Tom Memory. He's going to be joining us 286 00:18:02,560 --> 00:18:04,399 Speaker 3: at eight o'clock this morning. That was one hundred percent 287 00:18:04,480 --> 00:18:07,080 Speaker 3: on me. Let's get back to more of this. So 288 00:18:07,119 --> 00:18:08,639 Speaker 3: this works out, though, because I want to wrap up 289 00:18:08,680 --> 00:18:11,520 Speaker 3: this material. I spent the time going through it so 290 00:18:11,560 --> 00:18:15,560 Speaker 3: you didn't have to Acknowledging race and racism with your 291 00:18:15,640 --> 00:18:18,600 Speaker 3: children will not make them racist, says the Practical Resource 292 00:18:18,680 --> 00:18:24,000 Speaker 3: and Courageous Parenting, teaching and Caregiving portion of the Whiteness 293 00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:28,840 Speaker 3: Pandemic Curriculum. In fact, they say, having explicit conversations with 294 00:18:28,880 --> 00:18:32,520 Speaker 3: your children about race and racism is essentially is essential 295 00:18:32,560 --> 00:18:35,879 Speaker 3: to making them anti racist, I E able to detect 296 00:18:35,920 --> 00:18:43,080 Speaker 3: and confront racial bias in themselves and around them. They 297 00:18:43,160 --> 00:18:46,880 Speaker 3: want to They want to destroy the ability of children 298 00:18:46,960 --> 00:18:54,160 Speaker 3: just to be children. They want to speed up the 299 00:18:54,200 --> 00:18:58,840 Speaker 3: innocence lost portion of our young people. They want them radicalized. 300 00:18:59,040 --> 00:19:02,199 Speaker 3: The Marxists do. I don't care what your skin color is. 301 00:19:02,800 --> 00:19:06,879 Speaker 3: The Marxists do. People have all demographics pedal this garbage, 302 00:19:08,200 --> 00:19:10,959 Speaker 3: but this is what they want, the nuclear family being destroyed. 303 00:19:10,960 --> 00:19:11,920 Speaker 2: You're absolutely right. 304 00:19:12,600 --> 00:19:14,640 Speaker 3: If you have the nuclear family destroyed, it's a heck 305 00:19:14,640 --> 00:19:16,439 Speaker 3: of a lot easier to go and influence people so 306 00:19:16,480 --> 00:19:21,720 Speaker 3: that you can gain power, money and influence. But it's 307 00:19:21,760 --> 00:19:24,880 Speaker 3: incredibly nefarious. And this is not just about this when 308 00:19:24,920 --> 00:19:27,239 Speaker 3: it comes to our people, but just the way in 309 00:19:27,400 --> 00:19:32,120 Speaker 3: which the leftists want to go and utilize our most 310 00:19:32,280 --> 00:19:39,320 Speaker 3: vulnerable in this country are children minors, to make them 311 00:19:39,400 --> 00:19:42,640 Speaker 3: dutiful democrat voting activists in the future. 312 00:19:42,680 --> 00:19:44,040 Speaker 2: It's incredibly nefarious. 313 00:19:47,960 --> 00:19:50,840 Speaker 3: If you are new to conversations around race, it goes 314 00:19:50,880 --> 00:19:54,640 Speaker 3: on to say racism and white privilege or anti racism, 315 00:19:54,840 --> 00:19:56,480 Speaker 3: it may help to plan ahead on how to start 316 00:19:56,520 --> 00:19:57,680 Speaker 3: a brief conversation. 317 00:19:57,320 --> 00:19:59,560 Speaker 2: With your children. Let's just stop there. 318 00:19:59,600 --> 00:20:01,159 Speaker 3: Why would you talk to your children, those that are 319 00:20:01,240 --> 00:20:04,159 Speaker 3: under the age of eighteen. Maybe a should get closer 320 00:20:04,200 --> 00:20:08,200 Speaker 3: to eighteen. But they're talking about young kids here. They're 321 00:20:08,200 --> 00:20:12,159 Speaker 3: not developed enough to go and deal with us. But 322 00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:16,320 Speaker 3: we're talking about a party that already doesn't respect actual biology, 323 00:20:16,359 --> 00:20:21,280 Speaker 3: doesn't respect actual science relating to our children. When here 324 00:20:21,480 --> 00:20:24,199 Speaker 3: in Minnesota, of under Governor Tim Walls, and signed by 325 00:20:24,200 --> 00:20:26,320 Speaker 3: Governor Tim Walls, a child can go and make a 326 00:20:26,359 --> 00:20:32,440 Speaker 3: decision that will alter their body forever, permanently, permanently, forever 327 00:20:33,040 --> 00:20:36,480 Speaker 3: over their parents. The adults wishes at an age when 328 00:20:36,480 --> 00:20:41,160 Speaker 3: their brains aren't fully developed, so they don't care. I mean, 329 00:20:41,160 --> 00:20:44,080 Speaker 3: this is almost incredibly less harmful than the other ways 330 00:20:44,080 --> 00:20:46,639 Speaker 3: in which Walls has gone and taken advantage of our 331 00:20:46,640 --> 00:20:51,080 Speaker 3: young people. It goes on to write, like other parenting discussions, 332 00:20:51,119 --> 00:20:54,399 Speaker 3: one single long speech may not be the most beneficial 333 00:20:54,440 --> 00:20:59,000 Speaker 3: to your child's understanding. Rather, short, frequent conversations, especially at 334 00:20:59,119 --> 00:21:09,879 Speaker 3: key nature teachable moments are best. What to read, watch 335 00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:13,159 Speaker 3: to prepare to talk with children about race, racism and 336 00:21:13,160 --> 00:21:18,240 Speaker 3: white privilege and anti racism for white parents, caregivers, parents caregivers, 337 00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:21,120 Speaker 3: and white children. It's a list of fifteen different items 338 00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:23,560 Speaker 3: and this is all just things that you're supposed to go. 339 00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:26,639 Speaker 3: Places you're supposed to go, money you're supposed to spend. 340 00:21:27,680 --> 00:21:30,480 Speaker 3: How to explain white privilege in terms simple enough for 341 00:21:30,520 --> 00:21:34,919 Speaker 3: a child. How white parents can use social media to 342 00:21:35,040 --> 00:21:40,159 Speaker 3: raise anti racist kids. Anti racist Parenting podcast, How to 343 00:21:40,200 --> 00:21:44,800 Speaker 3: talk to your toddler about race, Keeping with It. 344 00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:46,720 Speaker 2: They have What to Read and watch. 345 00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:49,720 Speaker 3: With children as part of a discussion about race, racism, 346 00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:53,840 Speaker 3: white privilege. A book about whiteness called not My Idea, 347 00:21:54,560 --> 00:21:59,560 Speaker 3: Anti Racist Baby and good Night Racism from Ebram Xe Kendy. 348 00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:04,280 Speaker 3: You get towards the end of the curriculum, and it 349 00:22:04,359 --> 00:22:08,080 Speaker 3: says we do suggest that you reader watch these resources 350 00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:11,760 Speaker 3: on your own first, as an opportunity to self reflect 351 00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:14,879 Speaker 3: and process your own reactions before introducing the ideas to 352 00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:22,320 Speaker 3: your own children. Talking to your children about race. There's 353 00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:24,439 Speaker 3: a PBS special you want They want your kids to 354 00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:27,560 Speaker 3: watch the Power of We Sesame Street and PBS Kids 355 00:22:27,560 --> 00:22:30,560 Speaker 3: Special two. Doctor Ferguson says that she watched this with 356 00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:33,280 Speaker 3: her seven year old and her two year old, followed 357 00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:35,040 Speaker 3: by a brief discussion afterwards. 358 00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:37,640 Speaker 2: After watching the PBS special. 359 00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:41,520 Speaker 3: Talking to young children about race and racism Ferguson says 360 00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:43,639 Speaker 3: that she watched this also with her seven and two 361 00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:46,600 Speaker 3: year old, had a brief discussion and they gave this 362 00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:48,000 Speaker 3: six thumbs up. 363 00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:51,240 Speaker 2: Six thumbs up. It's a lot of films. 364 00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:58,000 Speaker 3: Doctor Ferguson strongly vouches for the Sesame Street and PBS 365 00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:02,800 Speaker 3: especials because they focus on the simple but powerful anti 366 00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:07,119 Speaker 3: racist action children can use to be upstandards who stand 367 00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:12,880 Speaker 3: up to racism. They use dialogue songs and catching jingles too. 368 00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:15,439 Speaker 2: Oh which side are you on? 369 00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:19,520 Speaker 3: Which side are you on? 370 00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:19,919 Speaker 9: Me? 371 00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:25,119 Speaker 2: Which side are you on? Which side are you on? 372 00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:29,280 Speaker 11: Hey, good morning guys. Being smart enough to be a 373 00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:34,159 Speaker 11: university professor and then publicly stating that there's a whiteness 374 00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:38,199 Speaker 11: pandemic is the stupidest. Saying there's a green eye pandemic. 375 00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:42,040 Speaker 11: This thing called genetics that we have absolutely no control 376 00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:47,160 Speaker 11: over whatsoever, does not make a pandemic. There's an attitude pandemic, 377 00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:50,960 Speaker 11: for sure. Hers is trash. And if you're a parent 378 00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:54,080 Speaker 11: out they're paying your kids tuition at U of M, 379 00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:55,600 Speaker 11: you should stop immediately. 380 00:23:57,600 --> 00:24:01,160 Speaker 9: If whiteness is a pandemic, chick to social distancing. 381 00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:05,560 Speaker 5: But I'm not asking them, Oh no, I walk outside 382 00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:09,679 Speaker 5: this morning. Get all I saw was white. It's a pandemic. Wait, 383 00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:12,320 Speaker 5: oh it's no, that's right, Okay, it's okay. 384 00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:12,840 Speaker 2: Don't forget. 385 00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:15,399 Speaker 3: There's a lot of ice out there too, A lot 386 00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:20,359 Speaker 3: of ice coming up. More mythology coming from the left. 387 00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:24,280 Speaker 3: Saint Paul Mayor police chief defend officers after protesters clash 388 00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:28,280 Speaker 3: with ice agents during raid. Witnesses reported seeing a handful 389 00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:32,520 Speaker 3: of arrests. Protesters were sprayed with chemical irritants and rubber bullets. 390 00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:34,960 Speaker 3: You know there's a way to avoid doing that. Just 391 00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:44,199 Speaker 3: don't get in the way of law enforcement. Thank you 392 00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:48,720 Speaker 3: for being with the show this morning and for joining 393 00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:51,800 Speaker 3: us every morning here on Twin Cities News Talk or 394 00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:53,640 Speaker 3: listening to the podcast if you're. 395 00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:57,000 Speaker 2: Doing that, as you hear my voice. 396 00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:01,399 Speaker 3: Tune talkbacks from the iHeartRadio, brought to you by Lyndall Realty, 397 00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:03,359 Speaker 3: I want to play as we wrap up the conversation 398 00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:09,680 Speaker 3: regarding this University of Minnesota whiteness is a pandemic development 399 00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:12,720 Speaker 3: course for children that's available right now. 400 00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:13,600 Speaker 2: Let's go here. 401 00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:21,960 Speaker 12: Hey John say, seeing pictures, looks like breeder got eight 402 00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:29,160 Speaker 12: inches of whiteness last That's a lot, Hey John, great 403 00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:33,280 Speaker 12: wing Plumber here. So the problem in this country is 404 00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:37,399 Speaker 12: supply and demand. There is more demand for racism than 405 00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:39,640 Speaker 12: there is supply of it. Yep, they have to make 406 00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:42,960 Speaker 12: it up so they can still be a victim. 407 00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:47,919 Speaker 3: Great Joe, thanks, and again it's all storytelling. It's all mythology. 408 00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:51,359 Speaker 3: It's the stuff of fantasy novels. It's a lot more 409 00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:55,280 Speaker 3: dangerous than that, obviously, in the attempts of what programs 410 00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:58,240 Speaker 3: like this want to do. The propaganda that gets pushed, 411 00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:04,200 Speaker 3: racism that gets spread, it's way more nefarious. But it's 412 00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:09,840 Speaker 3: simple as forms. It is just storytelling, just made up garbage. 413 00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:12,720 Speaker 3: You could take this whole whiteness as a pandemic, and 414 00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:16,080 Speaker 3: you could apply this to all kinds of different facets 415 00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:17,960 Speaker 3: of light within pop culture. 416 00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:20,000 Speaker 2: People that don't like a particular. 417 00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:24,000 Speaker 3: Movie or a franchise, and somebody that decides that because 418 00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:27,159 Speaker 3: you don't, therefore you're a problem and you need to 419 00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:29,080 Speaker 3: work that out, and I'm going to help you work 420 00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:33,280 Speaker 3: it out. I mean, it's just all buffoonery, made up, 421 00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:38,760 Speaker 3: irrational with all the different elements necessary to continue to 422 00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:43,320 Speaker 3: perpetuate it. None of it is rooted in any sort 423 00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:47,240 Speaker 3: of rational common sense. The whole idea that They kicked 424 00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:50,320 Speaker 3: the program off with a this is not about biology, 425 00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:52,800 Speaker 3: this is about culture, while spending the rest of the 426 00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:56,159 Speaker 3: time going through and talking specifically about the color of 427 00:26:56,240 --> 00:27:02,760 Speaker 3: individual skin. This talk back here makes a really good 428 00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:03,359 Speaker 3: point as well. 429 00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:04,320 Speaker 2: Good morning, John. 430 00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:10,160 Speaker 6: So I'm mixed. I'm French, French, Canadian, Dutch, Swedish, finn 431 00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:13,760 Speaker 6: nor age, and my mom's white and my dad's black. 432 00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:18,119 Speaker 6: So fifty seven years old, we've been dealing with this 433 00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:23,680 Speaker 6: stupid race BS for over forty some years. These are 434 00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:27,320 Speaker 6: just stupid people that can't get over themselves with the 435 00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:30,040 Speaker 6: race card and don't have anything else better to do. 436 00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:32,520 Speaker 6: Have a good Thanksgiving and talk to you soon. 437 00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:36,520 Speaker 3: In the curriculum, doctor Gail Ferguson, the lead author of 438 00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:40,199 Speaker 3: all this garbage, was talking about her children and giving 439 00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:44,560 Speaker 3: six of thumbs up to the PBS anti racism program 440 00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:47,080 Speaker 3: that she indoctrinated her children into. 441 00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:51,320 Speaker 6: The kids gave it six thumbs up. 442 00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:53,920 Speaker 2: I gave my niece and that's. 443 00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:56,640 Speaker 4: Youw ice cream and skittles for dinner the other day and. 444 00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:59,000 Speaker 2: I got four thumbs up. So I mean the ice 445 00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:00,879 Speaker 2: cream and skills great for dinner. 446 00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:02,720 Speaker 8: Oh hell yeah. 447 00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:06,439 Speaker 3: Speaking of storytelling, Saint Paul may or police chief defend 448 00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:11,080 Speaker 3: officers after protesters clash with ICE agents during a raid. 449 00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:16,920 Speaker 3: Keeping with the theme, this is also to storytelling. Democrats 450 00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:21,560 Speaker 3: leftists have gone and created this mythology that ICE is 451 00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:26,440 Speaker 3: the Gestapo. This continues to be mentality and labeling perpetuated 452 00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:27,360 Speaker 3: by leftists. 453 00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:28,960 Speaker 2: You had Governor Tim Wall saying it. 454 00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:35,240 Speaker 3: You had representatively thinking he recently reiterated this. They've convinced 455 00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:38,480 Speaker 3: these activists who also power, money and influence, this is 456 00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:39,080 Speaker 3: why they're. 457 00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:39,320 Speaker 2: In the game. 458 00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:44,120 Speaker 3: They've convinced them that ICE is akin to modern day Nazis, 459 00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:49,720 Speaker 3: and therefore, whenever ICE shows up to conduct their job 460 00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:55,560 Speaker 3: enforcing the law, you have protesters that show up to 461 00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:56,960 Speaker 3: perpetuate the storytelling. 462 00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:00,360 Speaker 2: They're costplaying. It's performed. 463 00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:05,080 Speaker 3: When they go and take these actions, and then when 464 00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:07,800 Speaker 3: they get held accountable, they cry the victim and say, 465 00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:11,640 Speaker 3: oh listen and substantiates our claims that ICE is like 466 00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:12,880 Speaker 3: the modern day Nazis. 467 00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:16,000 Speaker 2: They are the Gestapo. You even have. 468 00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:22,160 Speaker 3: Elected representatives. Dustin Gregie pointed this out. I grabbed the 469 00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:28,920 Speaker 3: audio from Fox nine Representative Athena Hollins spotted interfering with 470 00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:34,640 Speaker 3: the federal ICE raid, yelling blank you pigs shame. Of course, 471 00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:37,920 Speaker 3: she's proudly endorsed by the Democrat Socialists of America. Here's 472 00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:40,960 Speaker 3: a reporter from Fox nine talking about their first hand 473 00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:43,920 Speaker 3: experience of what they were witnessing during this raid in 474 00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:44,880 Speaker 3: Saint Paul yesterday. 475 00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:47,440 Speaker 8: And I can tell you though, there were two state 476 00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:52,280 Speaker 8: representatives aug here, representative of Fina Hollins and Les Kaslowski, 477 00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:57,120 Speaker 8: who both got pepper sprayed. They say that was Saint 478 00:29:57,160 --> 00:30:01,600 Speaker 8: Paul police doing crowd control and that somebody like stepped 479 00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:05,000 Speaker 8: over a line just slightly and instead of asking them 480 00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:07,640 Speaker 8: to back up, they just tear gassed a number of people. 481 00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:12,440 Speaker 8: So it's fairly chaotic out here, but things are starting 482 00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:15,760 Speaker 8: to kind of clear out. But yeah, that's that's essentially 483 00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:19,120 Speaker 8: what we understand right now. I'm looking at a representative 484 00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:22,880 Speaker 8: Atina Hollins right here. He was one of the state 485 00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:26,520 Speaker 8: representatives who was pepper spray. 486 00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:29,880 Speaker 2: All I know is this story is going to make 487 00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:35,040 Speaker 2: Thanksgiving so much fun for me, considering my entire family 488 00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:36,280 Speaker 2: is crazy. 489 00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:39,920 Speaker 3: A federal rate at a Saint Paul Holmes said, awful 490 00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:43,880 Speaker 3: volatile standoff between the protesters and law enforcement, drawing sharper 491 00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:47,000 Speaker 3: criticism goes to the Star Tribune version from state and 492 00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:49,880 Speaker 3: local leaders, even as the city's mayor and police chief 493 00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:54,400 Speaker 3: defendant officers stressed that they were not carrying out immigration enforcement. 494 00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:58,560 Speaker 3: Federal agents took one person into custody during the operation. Again, 495 00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:01,760 Speaker 3: a part of the storytelling is that they're going out 496 00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:03,440 Speaker 3: of their way to mention. Hey, guys, I know Saint 497 00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:05,840 Speaker 3: Paul police was there, but we have an ordinance that 498 00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:08,760 Speaker 3: says they cannot enforce anything immigration related, and that's not 499 00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:12,320 Speaker 3: what they were doing. So don't don't you hurl your 500 00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:15,720 Speaker 3: rocks and sticks at us. Don't you sing your songs 501 00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:17,280 Speaker 3: in our direction? 502 00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:27,360 Speaker 2: So we shall not be moved. Sound we sound? 503 00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:32,000 Speaker 3: Don't say to us no, no or no. The concern 504 00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:36,200 Speaker 3: evolved in this. We're just protecting the peace. No, no, 505 00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:39,200 Speaker 3: don't pro no, no protest songs over here, standing up. No, 506 00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:42,160 Speaker 3: there's an ordinance. They can't get involved in immigration rates. 507 00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:48,800 Speaker 3: The song doesn't apply to us. No, it's it's the 508 00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:52,840 Speaker 3: Gestapo over there, those massive guys with ice go. 509 00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:55,560 Speaker 2: Say go take that way. They're over there. 510 00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:03,120 Speaker 3: They Can'tiotic scene erupted as a crowd rushed to the 511 00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:05,520 Speaker 3: operation at the home and the six hundred block of 512 00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:08,560 Speaker 3: Rose Avenue. This will now be forever known as the 513 00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:11,760 Speaker 3: Rose Avenue incident. I'm sure where law enforcements prayed the 514 00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:15,200 Speaker 3: protesters with chemical irritants and targeted them with smoke canisters 515 00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:19,680 Speaker 3: and less lethal ammunitions, as if the only reason why 516 00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:22,560 Speaker 3: the ICE agents showed up was to do that. That's 517 00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:24,600 Speaker 3: the way this article is written. That's the way all 518 00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:26,720 Speaker 3: of these articles that I've seen this morning are written. 519 00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:29,000 Speaker 2: They're all written from the standpoint of man. 520 00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:31,720 Speaker 3: ICE just showed up and they just started pepper spray 521 00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:33,200 Speaker 3: and shooting rubber bullets at people. 522 00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:36,400 Speaker 2: This is crazy as chaos. They showed up and chaos 523 00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:39,440 Speaker 2: just broke out, as. 524 00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:41,560 Speaker 3: If a group of ICE agents could get in a vehicle, 525 00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:46,120 Speaker 3: drive to a specific location, hop out, and then mayhem 526 00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:54,400 Speaker 3: and chaos would just ensue immediately. Police Chief Axel Henry 527 00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:57,160 Speaker 3: said his department had reports of rocks and sticks being 528 00:32:57,160 --> 00:33:00,080 Speaker 3: thrown at agents. At least one protester was seen hurling 529 00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:03,440 Speaker 3: a rock into the smoke filled air. At a Tuesday 530 00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:06,720 Speaker 3: evening news conference, Mayor Melvin Carter confirmed that Homeland Security 531 00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:12,400 Speaker 3: Investigations and ICE contacted Saint Paul police for assistance because 532 00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:16,000 Speaker 3: they had attempted to execute a warrant against an individual 533 00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:19,120 Speaker 3: who they were targeting and seeking to detain, and that 534 00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:21,880 Speaker 3: person fled from them and somehow ended up at the 535 00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:27,480 Speaker 3: address on Rose Avenue. A grassroots to immigrant to rights 536 00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:31,240 Speaker 3: organizations said that it got the word out about Tuesday's raid, 537 00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:34,320 Speaker 3: an alert that it said led to roughly two hundred 538 00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:39,640 Speaker 3: people showing up at the scene. Again, storytelling, all of 539 00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:41,680 Speaker 3: what I'm mentioning to you right now is one hundred 540 00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:45,520 Speaker 3: percent avoidable. I'm going to play you the audio from 541 00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:47,960 Speaker 3: Mayor Melvin Carter here in a moment because he continues 542 00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:51,880 Speaker 3: with the mythology and the storytelling surrounding the events that 543 00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:56,080 Speaker 3: played out. You have law enforcement officers all the time 544 00:33:56,160 --> 00:34:00,520 Speaker 3: go and conduct searches, execute search warrants. You don't even 545 00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:04,160 Speaker 3: know about it, nobody. There's no chilling effect in the neighborhood. 546 00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:06,960 Speaker 3: There's no traumas they want to go and label it. 547 00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:09,920 Speaker 3: It's just law enforcement going and doing what law enforcement 548 00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:16,399 Speaker 3: does in this instance and example, catching bad guys. This 549 00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:18,239 Speaker 3: person here had a search warrant. We don't even know 550 00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:20,040 Speaker 3: what this person did. They could be a. 551 00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:22,120 Speaker 2: Child rapist for all that we know. 552 00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:25,480 Speaker 3: But it doesn't matter to the activists to the Saint 553 00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:30,240 Speaker 3: Ball based Immigration Defense Network in a statement, said federal 554 00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:34,240 Speaker 3: authorities ultimately took one individual into custody, and the Immigration 555 00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:37,720 Speaker 3: Defense Network partners are now working closely with the family 556 00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:42,479 Speaker 3: to support them through the trauma. Putting this in pop 557 00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:46,000 Speaker 3: culture terms, in the mythology, you could relabel like the 558 00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:49,560 Speaker 3: Immigration Defense and Network as the Rebel Alliance in this case. 559 00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:51,799 Speaker 2: This is how they view themselves. 560 00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:56,520 Speaker 3: So it would be, you know, the Rebel Alliance said 561 00:34:56,560 --> 00:35:00,360 Speaker 3: in a statement Tuesday afternoon that the Empire's storm trueroopers 562 00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:05,319 Speaker 3: ultimately took an individual into custody. We rebels are now 563 00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:08,439 Speaker 3: working closely with the family to support them through their 564 00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:18,400 Speaker 3: trauma perpetuated by Emperor Palpatine and his stormtroopers. A video 565 00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:21,400 Speaker 3: statement released by Saint Paul Police a few hours after 566 00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:25,120 Speaker 3: the raid, the police chief said the Department of Homeland 567 00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:28,400 Speaker 3: Security reported the incident during an attempted arrest when at 568 00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:31,240 Speaker 3: least one vehicle, possibly occupied by an agent, was truck. 569 00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:33,640 Speaker 3: Henry said they went to the scene, adding that there 570 00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:36,680 Speaker 3: are also reports people were starting to arm themselves with 571 00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:40,080 Speaker 3: rocks and sticks. The chief maintained the department did not 572 00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:45,240 Speaker 3: violate the city Separation Ordinance just unbelievable, which says police 573 00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:49,760 Speaker 3: may cooperate with federal authorities but cannot enforce immigration laws, 574 00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:52,560 Speaker 3: can't ignore those illegal orders. 575 00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:56,839 Speaker 2: Huh. 576 00:35:57,160 --> 00:36:00,720 Speaker 3: Henry said he understands our public is greatly frustrated these issues, 577 00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:03,839 Speaker 3: but let's be clear, Saint Paul police officers are not 578 00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:07,080 Speaker 3: doing immigration enforcement, but we do have a responsibility to 579 00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:14,000 Speaker 3: make sure that laws aren't broken in our city. By 580 00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:16,360 Speaker 3: the way, the public is greatly frustrated what these handful 581 00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:18,879 Speaker 3: of activists has showed up. Did you take a poll 582 00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:20,719 Speaker 3: of everybody in Saint Paul to find out how they 583 00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:24,160 Speaker 3: all feel? Do they all feel this way? Or are 584 00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:29,200 Speaker 3: you just simply catering to the leftist rebel alliance in 585 00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:39,520 Speaker 3: this case. Carter also acknowledged concerns about the officer's actions, 586 00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:42,840 Speaker 3: while emphasizing that he stood by the police department. I 587 00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:45,680 Speaker 3: want to get to audio of him in just a moment. 588 00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:52,400 Speaker 3: Governor Tim Walls posted online we are monitoring the situation 589 00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:55,000 Speaker 3: in Saint Paul and working to understand what folded. We 590 00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:58,040 Speaker 3: received no heads up from federal authorities on this operation. 591 00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:01,920 Speaker 3: While we are always willing to work together on public safety, 592 00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:05,520 Speaker 3: that is clearly not what this chaotic situation was about. 593 00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:08,600 Speaker 3: The situation would have never been chaotic if nobody had 594 00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:11,640 Speaker 3: showed up. ICE would have been able to go and 595 00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:15,400 Speaker 3: conduct their business lawfully, which they still did, and there 596 00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:16,960 Speaker 3: wouldn't have been any of this chaos. 597 00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:19,160 Speaker 2: And Governor Tim Walls, how stupid do you think we are? 598 00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:26,680 Speaker 3: You've separated cities, have separated ordinances, have been passed, your 599 00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:31,120 Speaker 3: own sanctuary state esque policies say you don't want local 600 00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:34,480 Speaker 3: law enforcement working with federal officials. So why on God's 601 00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:36,520 Speaker 3: green Earth would they give you a heads up when 602 00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:46,400 Speaker 3: they are coming in to conduct their lawful warrants. So 603 00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:48,319 Speaker 3: let's work through some of this audio. This is Mayor 604 00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:55,000 Speaker 3: Melvin Carter being interviewed by Fox nine. I want to 605 00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:56,799 Speaker 3: do a start and stop on what he had to 606 00:37:56,800 --> 00:38:00,000 Speaker 3: say here and again, this is all just fictional storytelling. 607 00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:07,719 Speaker 3: This is it's completely unnecessary. It's all to create chaos, discord, 608 00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:14,239 Speaker 3: and the false narrative of ICE being this authoritarian military 609 00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:15,960 Speaker 3: arm of President Donald Trump. 610 00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:17,040 Speaker 2: We're trying to figure. 611 00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:21,200 Speaker 7: Out, what are you know, the ICE agents showed up 612 00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:25,000 Speaker 7: with Saint Paul the way they have before otheries and 613 00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:28,200 Speaker 7: things like that, and you know, we're we're we're trying 614 00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:30,520 Speaker 7: to get onsreut kind of what ended up happening after. 615 00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:32,960 Speaker 3: That, right, what about the community reaction if you got 616 00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:33,880 Speaker 3: any handle on that. 617 00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:40,359 Speaker 7: Community members are frustrated, and you know, this is what 618 00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:42,719 Speaker 7: we see ICE agents doing all over the country is 619 00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:45,719 Speaker 7: showing up, creating how to creating chaos and leaving and 620 00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:48,160 Speaker 7: leaving us with, you know, leaving local communities trying to 621 00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:50,480 Speaker 7: figure out how to kind of navigate the trauma. 622 00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:50,800 Speaker 10: That they create. 623 00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:55,240 Speaker 3: And that's the storytelling right there. This is what ICE does. 624 00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:57,840 Speaker 3: You know, They just they show up in the community, 625 00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:01,759 Speaker 3: chaos ensues, they do their business, and then they leave 626 00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:05,880 Speaker 3: and we have to deal with all this trauma. You know, Melvin, 627 00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:08,719 Speaker 3: there wouldn't be any trauma if the activists didn't get 628 00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:11,160 Speaker 3: involved and didn't get in the way of law enforcement, 629 00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:13,680 Speaker 3: if they didn't impede law enforcement. 630 00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:15,319 Speaker 2: Walter Hudson commented on this. 631 00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:19,960 Speaker 3: Very video, and he was spot on, blocking vehicles in 632 00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:24,120 Speaker 3: the street is not protest. You deserve to be tear 633 00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:27,520 Speaker 3: gassed if that's what you're doing. The First Amendment isn't 634 00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:31,120 Speaker 3: a license to commit crimes. But this is a mere 635 00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:34,120 Speaker 3: extension of that First Amendment issue that we have in 636 00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:36,719 Speaker 3: this country. Where individuals want to cry First Amendment, but 637 00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:38,960 Speaker 3: they do not want to be held accountable for any 638 00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:41,400 Speaker 3: of their actions whatsoever. There was a time in this 639 00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:44,200 Speaker 3: country when we had a better crop of activists. 640 00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:48,680 Speaker 2: I may not have believed. 641 00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:50,440 Speaker 3: In what they were standing for, but I could at 642 00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:52,840 Speaker 3: least respect the fact that when they showed up to 643 00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:55,080 Speaker 3: protest and got in the way a law enforcement, they 644 00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:56,880 Speaker 3: were more than willing to go to jail for it. 645 00:39:57,400 --> 00:40:01,840 Speaker 3: But now we're in this world of just lazy propaganda 646 00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:06,560 Speaker 3: narratives perpetuated by the leftists, whether it's this idea of 647 00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:10,759 Speaker 3: a whiteness pandemic, or whether it's in this case, when 648 00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:14,719 Speaker 3: the activists show up getting law enforcement's way impeded in 649 00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:18,200 Speaker 3: law enforcement efforts, is they conduct their lawful. 650 00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:20,720 Speaker 2: Search warrants. 651 00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:23,799 Speaker 3: And then they go and cry foul when they get 652 00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:26,760 Speaker 3: pepper spray, when they get hitler rubber bullets. 653 00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:30,319 Speaker 7: And that's part of the troubling crowd, because that they're 654 00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:31,080 Speaker 7: that they're creating. 655 00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:33,839 Speaker 2: I will say that we just. 656 00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:38,480 Speaker 7: Saw uh, chemical munitions and things like that that we're used, 657 00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:41,120 Speaker 7: and I you know, one of the things I share 658 00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:43,800 Speaker 7: with the crowd is I have questions same as everybody 659 00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:46,799 Speaker 7: else does. About what precipitated that and why I'm not 660 00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:49,040 Speaker 7: going to try to, you know, explain every single thing 661 00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:51,160 Speaker 7: or I'm not going to try to justify every single thing. 662 00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:53,960 Speaker 7: That's why we have investigative processes, That's why we have 663 00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:57,279 Speaker 7: bodycam footage, That's why we have the use of course 664 00:40:57,320 --> 00:40:58,479 Speaker 7: policies that we put in place. 665 00:40:59,040 --> 00:40:59,880 Speaker 5: And you know, I. 666 00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:05,520 Speaker 7: Believe that our police department is good at holding ourselves 667 00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:08,560 Speaker 7: accountable for actions, making sure that our actions kind of 668 00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:11,960 Speaker 7: pull within kind of our our use of course policies. 669 00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:15,600 Speaker 3: It's just a word slid nonsense. There is no substance 670 00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:17,200 Speaker 3: to what Melvin is sharing here. 671 00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:20,520 Speaker 2: He's just running over. 672 00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:23,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, people got injured, and we'll have to look into that. 673 00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:25,680 Speaker 3: And you know, we have to look and reflect on 674 00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:27,799 Speaker 3: ourselves and law enforcements efforts and. 675 00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:31,400 Speaker 2: Because none of this is rational. 676 00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:36,160 Speaker 3: Unless you're an activist and you're again power, money and influence. 677 00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:40,080 Speaker 7: I'm not suggesting that they don't, but I'm suggesting that 678 00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:42,160 Speaker 7: what's important to me, what I've said from the beginning, 679 00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:45,200 Speaker 7: is transparency and so that we can fully understand what 680 00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:46,360 Speaker 7: happens and why. 681 00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:49,880 Speaker 8: We may have already covered this, but to stay reps 682 00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:52,000 Speaker 8: at the Hollands and least because last week told me 683 00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:55,600 Speaker 8: that Saint Paul police are the ones who pepper sprayed them. 684 00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:57,920 Speaker 8: So does that raise your level of concern? 685 00:41:58,000 --> 00:41:58,160 Speaker 3: Here? 686 00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:02,680 Speaker 7: My level of concern started out a ten, So I 687 00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:04,760 Speaker 7: don't know that my level concern could be raised. 688 00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:09,279 Speaker 3: Let me stop this here again, the storytelling, the mythology 689 00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:12,560 Speaker 3: that's being laid out. They passed an ordinance that says 690 00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:16,520 Speaker 3: local law enforcement can't impede in do or can't enforce 691 00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:17,960 Speaker 3: anything immigration related. 692 00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:20,000 Speaker 2: According to their ordinance. 693 00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:23,200 Speaker 3: Basically keeping law enforcements from doing their job of enforcing 694 00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:25,840 Speaker 3: the law. If it's related to immigration, they're not allowed 695 00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:27,560 Speaker 3: doing nothing with my fingers. 696 00:42:27,719 --> 00:42:29,680 Speaker 2: So then you have these two members of the. 697 00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:33,600 Speaker 3: Legislatures show up, They impede in law enforcement efforts, law 698 00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:37,160 Speaker 3: enforcement steps in to hold them accountable, and now they 699 00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:41,720 Speaker 3: cry foul because they were under the impression that local 700 00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:44,839 Speaker 3: law enforcement could not get involved in any of this. 701 00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:49,000 Speaker 2: I mean, what's the alternative here? By the way, if. 702 00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:51,640 Speaker 3: Athena Hollins or the other representative you know, grabs rocks 703 00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:54,680 Speaker 3: and sticks, is Saint Paul police just supposed to stand 704 00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:58,160 Speaker 3: there and just take the beating. I'm all right, I'll 705 00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:03,000 Speaker 3: just cuff myself just you know, hit away because I 706 00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:06,319 Speaker 3: just throw your rocks. There's an ordinance. I can't do 707 00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:11,200 Speaker 3: anything about it. Oh oh it hurts, but hit me again. 708 00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:14,960 Speaker 3: I'm helpless because I can't. You know, I might be 709 00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:17,960 Speaker 3: subjected to claims that I'm enforcing immigration law. 710 00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:18,640 Speaker 2: Can have that. 711 00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:22,560 Speaker 7: It certainly gives us some action items to follow up on, 712 00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:26,240 Speaker 7: to understand what exactly precipitated that, and to understand exactly 713 00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:29,759 Speaker 7: why and how that happened. And like I said, I 714 00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:32,480 Speaker 7: don't have the ability to speak on that one way 715 00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:32,799 Speaker 7: or the other. 716 00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:36,640 Speaker 3: Melvin, it happened because you had individuals I don't care 717 00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:39,400 Speaker 3: who they are, that were impeding in law enforcement efforts, 718 00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:41,840 Speaker 3: and law enforcement felt threatened and had to go and 719 00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:43,000 Speaker 3: defend themselves. 720 00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:45,960 Speaker 2: That's a mayor for crying out loud. People voted for 721 00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:46,479 Speaker 2: that guy. 722 00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:50,680 Speaker 7: I imagine our police department will be We'll be sharing 723 00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:53,000 Speaker 7: something about kind of what precipitated that. But that's one 724 00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:54,719 Speaker 7: of the questions that will happen. 725 00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:57,719 Speaker 8: If you guys weren't coordinating with the federal agents to 726 00:43:57,760 --> 00:44:00,200 Speaker 8: begin with where you were or work St. 727 00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:04,000 Speaker 7: Paul Police, they don't, they don't, they don't coordinate with us. 728 00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:06,600 Speaker 7: They don't give us information in advance. Uh, they sort 729 00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:09,360 Speaker 7: of what they do nationwide right now is sort of 730 00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:12,440 Speaker 7: just pop up on a scene and create chaos that 731 00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:15,080 Speaker 7: local community and then and then leave. And look. 732 00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:19,440 Speaker 3: Again, I know I'm being redundant, but just needs to 733 00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:23,640 Speaker 3: be pointed out. He's decrying that ICE isn't informing them. 734 00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:27,000 Speaker 3: They're the ones that passed an ordinance saying they're not 735 00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:28,840 Speaker 3: going to enforce immigration laws. 736 00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:35,600 Speaker 2: Why would ICE reach out to you? And ICE also knows. 737 00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:38,120 Speaker 3: That if they do, they're gonna have even more protesters 738 00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:44,560 Speaker 3: showing up. Representative Betty McCollum posted this on X Today, 739 00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:48,640 Speaker 3: Masked federal agents were involved as she perpetuates the mythology 740 00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:52,279 Speaker 3: in another enforcement activity in Saint Paul, this time at 741 00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:58,080 Speaker 3: a residential address in the pain of fallen neighborhood. And 742 00:44:58,120 --> 00:44:59,840 Speaker 3: again we don't know what the actions, what the warrant 743 00:44:59,880 --> 00:45:03,600 Speaker 3: was for this individual. My office continues to seek answers 744 00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:07,120 Speaker 3: about the circumstances surrounding these actions. Let me be abundantly clear, 745 00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:11,280 Speaker 3: I strongly oppose the Trump administration's actions to stoke conflict 746 00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:14,799 Speaker 3: and division in our community. Well, that's good that you 747 00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:20,239 Speaker 3: oppose that, but that's not even happening. People have a 748 00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:24,440 Speaker 3: right to express their First Amendment freedoms, including protesting actions 749 00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:27,400 Speaker 3: by their government, but they have a solemn obligation to 750 00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:28,680 Speaker 3: do it peacefully. 751 00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:30,040 Speaker 2: But they're not doing it peacefully. 752 00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:33,320 Speaker 3: And again what Walter Hudson said, blocking the street, throwing 753 00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:39,279 Speaker 3: rocks and swing and sticks, it's not a protest. First 754 00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:44,960 Speaker 3: Amendment isn't a license to commit these crimes. Your comments 755 00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:47,359 Speaker 3: coming up from the iHeartRadio app. Those talkbacks are brought 756 00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:49,399 Speaker 3: to you by Lyndahl Realty. As we get into hour 757 00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:51,239 Speaker 3: three here on Twinsday's News Talk