Speaker 1: Don't want to be an American.
Speaker 2: Got a new angle on the violence downtown. So you
Speaker 2: go back to the brawl and lay chu lot. We
Speaker 2: had one person out of hundreds calling nine one one
Speaker 2: Fountain Square shootings. We just had again a little number
Speaker 2: of people calling nine one one inside of the business
Speaker 2: that was shot up, and it begs the question why.
Speaker 2: From the Brain Performance Center in Dallas, Lee Richardson is here.
Speaker 2: Welcome back to the show.
Speaker 3: How are you, good morning, Thanks for having me back.
Speaker 3: I'm doing well.
Speaker 1: Thank you.
Speaker 2: You've seen the video. It's been national international news and
Speaker 2: it's hard still kind of hard to watch too. And
Speaker 2: regardless of who said what and what transpired, the fact
Speaker 2: that only a couple of people, maybe one or two people,
Speaker 2: said hey, I better call the police is something I
Speaker 2: don't think we've ever seen. I mean, it's a newer trend,
Speaker 2: I suppose, but in our lifetimes, if you would have
Speaker 2: said maybe ten or fifteen years ago, maybe five years ago,
Speaker 2: that yeah, you'd have something like this and one personal
Speaker 2: call nine one one, which means in the future, I
Speaker 2: suppose maybe no one calls nine one. Maybe these things
Speaker 2: happen and then we never hear about it because no
Speaker 2: one thinks to call the police. The question for someone
Speaker 2: like yourself is why how much of that as social media.
Speaker 3: And COVID Well, I think that you know, anytime you've
Speaker 3: seen a really intense event that triggers adrenaline in their
Speaker 3: body and drenales, they start kicking out all that corsal
Speaker 3: and that gives you a psych physiological rush, and you
Speaker 3: get excited and you want to capture the moment. And
Speaker 3: I think many people, honestly social media plays into it
Speaker 3: because they think if they get the shocking footage, that's
Speaker 3: going to get them more likes, more shares, more comments
Speaker 3: on social media and the thought of being the one
Speaker 3: who got the video that activates the brand sopammine reward system.
Speaker 3: It's just like when you win at cambling. I think
Speaker 3: filming it can make you feel like you're doing something
Speaker 3: without risking any personal safety as well. I Diddeo Scott
Speaker 3: and I couldn't believe it appeared that people were cheering,
Speaker 3: almost cheering it on. You know, there was no space,
Speaker 3: everybody was crowding around and that certainly escalate the intensity
Speaker 3: of it. And people pull out a camera and cameras
Speaker 3: create an audience.
Speaker 2: Well, you maybe just think of this. Speaking of video.
Speaker 2: This summer on vacation, did a bucket list trip to Australia.
Speaker 2: It's beautiful. My wife wanted to do like a whale
Speaker 2: watching crew. So you get on this boat and you
Speaker 2: look for whales because whales go up and down the
Speaker 2: Aussie coast. It's called the Humpback Highway, and so this
Speaker 2: time of year especially get to see whales, which you
Speaker 2: want to do, like, all right, I'll go check some
Speaker 2: whales out, which sounds pretty good. And so we're on
Speaker 2: this bat and it's interesting because every single person for
Speaker 2: the entirety of the trip, as I look around, is
Speaker 2: recording every little thing, holding the phone up to their
Speaker 2: face and not actually looking at the whale. They're looking
Speaker 2: at through a monitor. And there are a couple of
Speaker 2: younger people who wanted nothing to do with well watching,
Speaker 2: who were dragged by their parents, as you typically have,
Speaker 2: and they were in the boat inside on their phones
Speaker 2: playing games in the middle of the ocean. So I
Speaker 2: look at that and go what And this is before
Speaker 2: all this happened too. I thought, it's very surreal that
Speaker 2: we experience life through a viewfinder, and I think, lee
Speaker 2: when you do that, it's not real if you're watching
Speaker 2: a device. So what you see on your your viewfinder,
Speaker 2: what you see on your camera or your phone is
Speaker 2: not real. It's a it's a show, it's streaming, it's
Speaker 2: a TV show. And so if you looked up in
Speaker 2: a Wow, this is really happening. It's a much different
Speaker 2: experience than looking through a little, you know, four inch
Speaker 2: by two inch you finder.
Speaker 3: I can make really good points. God, I mean when
Speaker 3: you're when you're in a spectator mindset and you're just
Speaker 3: watching something. If you were there and maybe you would
Speaker 3: have thought about being a help helper. No, you're just
Speaker 3: part of an audience, and that makes it much easier
Speaker 3: just to watch or filmed whatever it is, rather than
Speaker 3: act on it.
Speaker 2: That might explain why people are doing I think the
Speaker 2: other element too. Everyone wants to be Insta famous too
Speaker 2: and post these provocative videos. And the people who posted
Speaker 2: are the ones that caught on that we've all seen
Speaker 2: now are getting all sorts of clicks and views and
Speaker 2: subscribers maybe to their channel, even if that's nothing we're about.
Speaker 2: And so that also feeds this too as well. We're
Speaker 2: in the we're in the essentially the content creator phase.
Speaker 2: Everyone's a content creator. Now that's a problem.
Speaker 3: That is a problem, and you know we have to remember,
Speaker 3: especially at night, and when you add a little bit
Speaker 3: of alcohol, it makes us feel more anonymous. It we're
Speaker 3: with if we drop our inhidditions, and we also behave
Speaker 3: more impulsively and we lose empathy.
Speaker 2: Brain expert Lee Richardson on the Scotsland Show on seven
Speaker 2: hundred WLW, we had the brawl over the summer and
Speaker 2: one person out of hundreds called nine to one one.
Speaker 2: We saw, well police respond pretty quickly what happened and
Speaker 2: just happened on Fountain Square over the last couple of days,
Speaker 2: but again an another low level of nine one one
Speaker 2: calls because people are just rather recorded then do something
Speaker 2: about it. And it has to do with obviously being
Speaker 2: a content creator, but looking through your screen and not
Speaker 2: seeing things in real life, being a spectator and not
Speaker 2: someone who's engaged. How much do you think COVID has
Speaker 2: factor in this as well? Is this still like we're
Speaker 2: seeing more of the stuff because of COVID and how
Speaker 2: does that work if so?
Speaker 3: Well, I think we're still on the aftermath of COVID,
Speaker 3: and I think COVID left all of us with some
Speaker 3: emotional trauma and that impacts our judgment, particularly late at
Speaker 3: night with alcohol. But I think that we shut down
Speaker 3: during COVID, and for some people that has maybe become
Speaker 3: the default mode. They see something, it's intense, they're not
Speaker 3: sure how to overreact. Then they see everybody, you know,
Speaker 3: kind of encouraging it, and everybody pulls out their camera,
Speaker 3: so that becomes the social norm. Oh it's okay to
Speaker 3: film this, everybody else is. And I think that we
Speaker 3: just we go more into the free state after COVID
Speaker 3: than we did before.
Speaker 2: And of course now we have to talk about the
Speaker 2: algorithms that encourage us kind behavior to begin with, and
Speaker 2: how much worse is it going to get? You know,
Speaker 2: you want to think this has got to be bottomed,
Speaker 2: but it's not.
Speaker 1: Probably, no, it's not.
Speaker 3: I mean, if you look at loneliness, loneliness is and
Speaker 3: an all time high. And I think that that started
Speaker 3: with COVID. We were forced to isolate. We didn't go
Speaker 3: to school the same way, we didn't go to work,
Speaker 3: we didn't go to church, we didn't go to the
Speaker 3: gym the same way. And for a lot of people
Speaker 3: that had severe anxiety, it was very comforting but that
Speaker 3: I think for many people, that just pushed them deeper
Speaker 3: into their anxiety, and we've got to start to connect
Speaker 3: everybody wanted. I think resilient is the foundation that we
Speaker 3: all stand on. But that doesn't just mean cognitively that
Speaker 3: your brains biken. Emotionally you're you're able to control your
Speaker 3: emotions and socially you feel connected. And I think that's
Speaker 3: one thing that we're all we haven't really built back up.
Speaker 3: It's our resilience.
Speaker 2: How do you see this thing shaken out? I mean,
Speaker 2: it's part of our culture, it's part of our fabric.
Speaker 2: It's not going away. Do we just simply adapt? Do
Speaker 2: we learn to we be able to back off and
Speaker 2: understand that what the negative consequences of this lifestylence?
Speaker 3: Well, you know it's really complex. Holly that took the
Speaker 3: big punch in the face, someone started to go fundme
Speaker 3: page for her, So we see an extreme of non
Speaker 3: caring and then at the same time we see people
Speaker 3: do care. So I think that it all ties into
Speaker 3: emotional balance and that we're still in that aftermath coming
Speaker 3: out of COVID how to connect, how to react, and
Speaker 3: we're still riding the roller coaster that fights flight freeze,
Speaker 3: and I think until we can create more stabilization. And
Speaker 3: that's mentally as well as physically. It's one unit brain
Speaker 3: in the body. It's one ning. The body keeps score
Speaker 3: of everything going on the brain with the Once we
Speaker 3: can calm that brain down and we can all do that,
Speaker 3: we can work on that on our own. There's no meditation.
Speaker 3: Breathing and making sure you get a good night sleep,
Speaker 3: exercising the basics, eating healthy foods. I've heard a term
Speaker 3: the neuroprotective diet. What you eat can protect your brain.
Speaker 2: You know, we've also heard you mentioned meditation, all these
Speaker 2: things which are much harder to do because you know
Speaker 2: your dopamine receipponers are going nuts. Anytime you look at
Speaker 2: something online, you're being fed a steady dyet of that stuff,
Speaker 2: and you know it all sounds well and good. You
Speaker 2: have to be very very proactive and saying, hey, listen,
Speaker 2: I've got to balance out my digital lifestyle with real life.
Speaker 2: Very very few people are going to do that simply
Speaker 2: because you're not being rewarded as much as you are
Speaker 2: when the algorithms do what they do and you're getting
Speaker 2: that neural response.
Speaker 3: Absolutely and osttle neuron gendrit thin get really confused. You know,
Speaker 3: that brain starts kicking out that dopamine, and that confuses
Speaker 3: those neurons and gendrits. Instead of you know, I like this,
Speaker 3: it turns into I want this, and then it turns
Speaker 3: into I need this.
Speaker 2: It's interesting, I think also because you wonder how much
Speaker 2: it's a cyclical behavior, is that we watch what happened,
Speaker 2: people are all recording. No one's calling nine one one
Speaker 2: because they become spectators. It's become everything's a show. Now
Speaker 2: everything is going meant to be put online, and it's
Speaker 2: a performance in front of me. Despite the fact that
Speaker 2: we've lost any sense of empathy, that we saw people
Speaker 2: kicking folks when they're down, people normally don't act like that.
Speaker 2: And I wonder how many people who are caught up
Speaker 2: in this and who are going to be charged and
Speaker 2: prosecuted and sentenced may have regret for the actions, but
Speaker 2: look back and go, what the hell was I thinking?
Speaker 2: I got swept up in a moment in the zeitgeist,
Speaker 2: and now I'm paying a heavy prices. Well you should
Speaker 2: for that kind of behavior. I don't think that's going
Speaker 2: to cause anyone else to be interested back to go.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 2: Maybe you know what I maybe it's social media. Maybe
Speaker 2: I need to quit recording everything and just live more life,
Speaker 2: life as it's meant to be, and not document every
Speaker 2: little mundane moment in life and live life in the moment.
Speaker 2: But very few people are going to think like that.
Speaker 2: I think that this has just encouraged more behavior. And
Speaker 2: that's what happens, right is that doesn't this lead to
Speaker 2: more impulsivity and normally public behaviors because you're hiding behind
Speaker 2: that screen name where you'll go and attack people. You'll
Speaker 2: get that dopamine spike and you'll have this heated argument
Speaker 2: online or attack or dock somebody and it makes you
Speaker 2: feel good, but you don't think that's a real person.
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I think you make a good point. This
Speaker 3: has become a social norm there. Everybody pulls out their
Speaker 3: phone and if they're like taking selfies or are they're
Speaker 3: looking for something to see them. They're looking for something
Speaker 3: to catch. Everybody's watching and recording. So if everybody else
Speaker 3: is doing it, the actually doing it too. Once you
Speaker 3: create a social norm, it's going to be very hard
Speaker 3: to change.
Speaker 2: It's almost like life itself has become a video game.
Speaker 2: M you know, I mean, you share followers, you get points. Essentially,
Speaker 2: it don't turns social interaction into competitive game. And and
Speaker 2: people there are people out there doing stuff online, just
Speaker 2: ridiculously stupid stuff, dangerous stuff for that matter, at any
Speaker 2: cost and for shock value, and we manufacture outrage and
Speaker 2: uh that just encourages more attention seeking antisocial behavior.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 2: And it's a race to the bottom. And so it's
Speaker 2: literally I mean, if you get points, we're doing what
Speaker 2: you do what should be clicks? So what should be
Speaker 2: like isn't this a game?
Speaker 3: Sounds like it? I mean, and I think we're becoming
Speaker 3: these sensitized. I think we see so much of it
Speaker 3: that it's just like, uh, there's you know, here's another one.
Speaker 3: And I think that a lot of us are we're
Speaker 3: seeking stimulation and we're and for young adults are they're
Speaker 3: looking for pure a proof well, and putting it on
Speaker 3: social media is a quick way to get that.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, And it also effects I think socialization too.
Speaker 2: I see a number not all, of course, but there
Speaker 2: are a lot of young people now that you know,
Speaker 2: we'll talk in one hundred and forty characters or less
Speaker 2: and not make eye contact to you that's almost like
Speaker 2: you if you wouldn't know. They seem autistic in a way,
Speaker 2: But it's actually the fact that all their communication has
Speaker 2: done digitally. There's very little one on one, face to
Speaker 2: face communication. It feels like that's a dying art.
Speaker 3: Well, it does. And eye contact and just verbal I
Speaker 3: have many clients that say, I don't call anybody. I
Speaker 3: can't remember the last time I called somebody.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I just text him.
Speaker 3: I just text him. And you know, if you think
Speaker 3: about how we're using AI now, there are studies that
Speaker 3: have come out that the younger population they're turning to AI,
Speaker 3: and I think thirty five percent of one survey I
Speaker 3: said that's because it didn't have anybody else to talk to.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you hear that. And that's a very interesting point
Speaker 2: you just made, Lee Richardson. Is the fact that with
Speaker 2: all this technology gretting more and more isolated and therefore depressed.
Speaker 2: COVID exacerbated that, to be sure, But it doesn't feel
Speaker 2: like we've moved away from that. I mean, you know,
Speaker 2: when you are social distancing and you're working at home,
Speaker 2: and I know they're calling people back to the office
Speaker 2: and people reluctantly are doing that. But you're not interacting
Speaker 2: with anyone that is so dangerous to the human psyche
Speaker 2: because we're social creatures, are not built for.
Speaker 3: That, and I think we kind of forget how when
Speaker 3: you don't, when you don't use social skills, well thinks that.
Speaker 3: You know, we've talked about COVID when people first started
Speaker 3: getting on the road again and driving as we came
Speaker 3: out of COVID, the road range was incredible. We forgot
Speaker 3: how to drive nice.
Speaker 2: I don't know if we ever knew how to drive nice,
Speaker 2: but it certainly got I agree with it got worse
Speaker 2: after COVID, simply because it all became about us. We
Speaker 2: are ready very self centered people with the advent of
Speaker 2: digital technology, because it became our bone individual brand, right,
Speaker 2: That's what it was about, you know, and you're told
Speaker 2: the steady diet. If you're the most important person, your snowflake,
Speaker 2: you know, your your fingerprint, you're you're different than everyone else,
Speaker 2: and you're special. And we started naming people, you know,
Speaker 2: people get names like princess and king and things like that,
Speaker 2: and queen and those titles go around. But then you
Speaker 2: add the isolation of COVID and social media in there,
Speaker 2: and we have a very self centered society now, and
Speaker 2: it's about me and my instant gratification and no one else.
Speaker 2: How we see that people getting getting shot at McDonald's
Speaker 2: behind the counter because you know, they got a cheeseburg
Speaker 2: instead of a hamburger. If we allow that, it's not
Speaker 2: much of a stretch to go, wow, hey, there's a
Speaker 2: guy that I got beef with sitting at Citybird on
Speaker 2: Fountain Square and Broad dala al, I'm a fire. Couple
Speaker 2: of rounds in the window. Or the guys that got
Speaker 2: in an argument and started shooting across traffic rush hour
Speaker 2: right a Fountain Square a couple of days ago, same thing?
Speaker 4: Wow?
Speaker 3: Right, yeah, I mean, and there's something that we have
Speaker 3: to do about it. If we just we just roll
Speaker 3: us and say, oh, that's just the way it is now,
Speaker 3: it will only get worse. And I think that that's
Speaker 3: something that we as we move forward with technology, we've
Speaker 3: got to redefine our relationship with technology. Your phone is
Speaker 3: not your best friend. Your phone does not need to
Speaker 3: sleep with you. And I have clients that when I
Speaker 3: say where's your phone's sleep form? You know I used
Speaker 3: to follow asleep with it in my hand. Really, is
Speaker 3: that where it needs to be. And I have clients
Speaker 3: that refer to AI as AL. Well, I'm going to
Speaker 3: go home. I'm going to go home and hang out
Speaker 3: with AL. Who's out? I ask my boyfriend, I don't
Speaker 3: know you had a boyfriend, Well AI, I call him out.
Speaker 2: Wow, And they to have conversations with AI. And I've
Speaker 2: done that kind of jet to see when the responses are.
Speaker 2: It's frightening, is what it is. And we're becoming Yeah,
Speaker 2: we're becoming more attracted to digital a digital person than
Speaker 2: a real person. That's that's frightening. And explain I think
Speaker 2: a lot of this, a lot of what's happened here
Speaker 2: now anyway, what we're gonna.
Speaker 3: Say, because they tell us what we want to hear.
Speaker 1: Of course we're gin it.
Speaker 4: We want that.
Speaker 3: I mean AI talks to you just like you talk
Speaker 3: to it, and it will tell you. And if you
Speaker 3: use it consistently, it picks up your algorithm. It will
Speaker 3: and it will learn to talk and it will tell
Speaker 3: you what you want to hear. So yeah, we all
Speaker 3: do like you, Hey, beautiful, you have a great day.
Speaker 2: And eventually we're gonna have a machine that does that
Speaker 2: in real life and there'll be no human interaction. I'll
Speaker 2: be dead and gone unhappy by then. But Cheeesilee Richardson
Speaker 2: at the Brain Performance Center in Texas, Lee all the best,
Speaker 2: thanks for the inside good stuff as always, Thank you
Speaker 2: so much. Take care, b Welly. So what we saw
Speaker 2: in July on the streets of Cincinnati, the international news
Speaker 2: to the most recent Fountain Square shootings, which has led
Speaker 2: to the dismissal essentially whatever you're calling it, administrative leave
Speaker 2: of Chief Terry Fiji. I'm guessing that that's what helped
Speaker 2: drive in this thing. And then you had the shooting
Speaker 2: in front of the in between Thursday on football. All
Speaker 2: these people around the city's lit up, and there's cops
Speaker 2: are around, cops are around Fountain Square, and these people
Speaker 2: they just simp, don't care. It's almost they lived in
Speaker 2: their own world, a video game as it were, or
Speaker 2: a world where I'm the central attraction. I'm the only
Speaker 2: thing that matters. I'm not going to discount criminality, predatory
Speaker 2: criminal behavior, and sociopaths that are engaging, there's no question,
Speaker 2: but I think there's a reflection there on all of
Speaker 2: us as societies where we're headed now with AI coming
Speaker 2: into fruition, which we still don't know what tomorrow is
Speaker 2: going to bring with that, but also the fact that
Speaker 2: you know, look at the few people calling nine to
Speaker 2: one one when something goes on, they'd rather record it
Speaker 2: post content on their page to get clicks and views,
Speaker 2: and that feeds even more of the stuff too. And
Speaker 2: I think in that regard we are all to blame
Speaker 2: to some degree because we're feeding that and then you
Speaker 2: put that in the hands of well street thugs and
Speaker 2: criminals and sociopaths, and this is what happens. Just something
Speaker 2: to think about and if that's true in any way,
Speaker 2: shape or form, is it really the fault of Terry
Speaker 2: Fiji or Adam Henny or whoever the chief is a
Speaker 2: city of Cincinnati, Probably not. Could you do better with
Speaker 2: the policies, absolutely, but that's above them. Scott'sland with News
Speaker 2: in four minutes your seven one hundred W the scott'sand
Speaker 2: here seven hundred w l W Welcome to the show.
Speaker 2: I just talked to Lee Richardson, and Lee is with
Speaker 2: the Brain Performance Center in Dallas, and we just had
Speaker 2: the you know what cost Terry Fiji her job? Essentially,
Speaker 2: that would be the violence downtown, the shootings at Fountain
Speaker 2: Square and also I would include there what happened at
Speaker 2: the end between two and you know, you talk about
Speaker 2: the impact social media has on people, and just let's look,
Speaker 2: let's look back at what happened in July when you
Speaker 2: had all these people that were fighting and getting curb
Speaker 2: stomped and everything else, and what one person, maybe two
Speaker 2: people called nine one one, and even the person who's
Speaker 2: gonna call nine one one was threatened and didn't you know,
Speaker 2: didn't feel comfortable in reaching out to police because they
Speaker 2: felt like, hey, you know what, we don't want to
Speaker 2: upset this. This is happening in our little ecosystem here,
Speaker 2: and we're gonna have race wars, but we don't want
Speaker 2: anyone responding. And you know there's people down bleeding, and
Speaker 2: you know, significant and serious injuries to two people, and
Speaker 2: you wonder why that exists. Well, she talked greatly about
Speaker 2: how the impact that social media has had on all
Speaker 2: of us, and even if you're not involved in your
Speaker 2: offended by that, we also are still to blame because
Speaker 2: we drive the content through the algorithms and that's why
Speaker 2: clickbait is created. I think it's interesting too just reading
Speaker 2: the story about social media. The social media make you dumber,
Speaker 2: And the answer is, well, yeah, I think we can.
Speaker 2: I think we can absolutely measure that. But think, okay,
Speaker 2: well how do we test that? How we got simply
Speaker 2: just you know, there's really no way to measure it,
Speaker 2: but there is. If you had a you know what
Speaker 2: they call in the research field. You know you've got
Speaker 2: a you've got a test, and a test better than
Speaker 2: a I'm not done blanking on the name of it,
Speaker 2: but you know I'm talking about anyway, long story short.
Speaker 2: If I think scrolling the Internet days making it dumber,
Speaker 2: what about AI? So what they did is fascinating researchers,
Speaker 2: I think Texas. And then they took junk data. They
Speaker 2: took the stuff that we look at, the clickbait, the
Speaker 2: millions and millions of short social media posts. They took
Speaker 2: stuff from Facebook and x and Instagram and all that,
Speaker 2: and they put a bunch of it into AIAI models.
Speaker 2: The stuff that has a lot of engagement, likes, reposts,
Speaker 2: longer content, that kind of stuff. It sensationalized presentations and
Speaker 2: really thin on actual information. Basically the same type of
Speaker 2: content that's rotting our own bridge or it feels like
Speaker 2: our writting own bridge. What did AI do with this
Speaker 2: stuff because it's a learning model. The AI models that
Speaker 2: they use saw significant drops in reasoning capabilities, understanding context,
Speaker 2: and being safe a sense of adherence to safety standards.
Speaker 2: So more than just getting dumber, they included the clickbait,
Speaker 2: they included the junk, and it also changed the model's
Speaker 2: personality because it's a learning model and so we'll learn
Speaker 2: and the responses when you read them, you tend to
Speaker 2: look at and go, Okay, it's not just data, but
Speaker 2: there's a little personality. Well that's that's a yeah. You know,
Speaker 2: you could say, hey, take the story and make it funny,
Speaker 2: and it would make it funny that there's a personality
Speaker 2: element to it. And I know it's a I know
Speaker 2: it's a computer and it's it's AI. But that's the
Speaker 2: scary part of the good part about it. I suppose.
Speaker 2: So they put this through I think metas one of
Speaker 2: Meta's AI bots, and it displayed significantly higher levels of
Speaker 2: narcissism and became less agreeable, and also went from displaying
Speaker 2: nearly no signs of psychopathy to extremely high rates of psychopathy.
Speaker 2: That's crazy, literally, it's making the computer crazy. So if
Speaker 2: that is AI, and we can measure baseline AI and go, okay,
Speaker 2: well this is before we feeded a bunch of junk.
Speaker 2: If that's rotting the brain of the computer, so to speak,
Speaker 2: what is that doing to me and you? And conversely,
Speaker 2: when you look at what happened at Fountain Square, when
Speaker 2: you look at what happened during the beat down in July,
Speaker 2: it wouldn't surprise one that no one is going to
Speaker 2: call the police. No one cares to call the police
Speaker 2: or reach out and say, hey, these are actually living
Speaker 2: human beings here because we're programmed to steady died of
Speaker 2: this donsense. And you know, if you spend all day
Speaker 2: looking at it, and I'm guilty of it too, you
Speaker 2: might be as well. I try to avoid it as
Speaker 2: much as possible because it just feels toxic to me.
Speaker 2: It really really does. So social media, when you take
Speaker 2: it and put it at AI, makes AI worse, dumber,
Speaker 2: more angry, just like us. We're in day twenty three
Speaker 2: the shutdown now and now officially the second longest funding
Speaker 2: lapse in modern history, eclipsing the one back in back
Speaker 2: to nineteen ninety five during the Clinton administration. Thirty five
Speaker 2: days would be the record. By the way, in case
Speaker 2: you're counting thirty five days. And healthcare, of course, as
Speaker 2: the hold up in this whole thing. We've been talking
Speaker 2: about that. I'll have a guest on at eleven oh
Speaker 2: six on that topic entirely too now, especially as we
Speaker 2: head into benefit season here. It's open enrollment coming up
Speaker 2: November first, and we're expecting the worst. We're expecting, you know,
Speaker 2: a lot less coverage and more cost and that's for
Speaker 2: all of us too. So we are now day twenty
Speaker 2: three of this thing yester. They tried to pass the
Speaker 2: I think the twelfth attempt to pass the bill and nothing,
Speaker 2: largely because no one's outrage yet. Now I know that
Speaker 2: they're going to start cutting SNAP and that does affect
Speaker 2: seniors as well as low income families. I wonder if
Speaker 2: that will get someone's attention or they'll just go what
Speaker 2: they usually do is just say, well, you know we
Speaker 2: can we we'll find some money for because you know,
Speaker 2: it's theater up until a point that someone gets hurt,
Speaker 2: no doubt about it. So we have that going on.
Speaker 2: This is in the medical area here too. I didn't
Speaker 2: know this last year they hadn't do a Nobel Prize
Speaker 2: and on the Nobil risory toxic and polarize these days.
Speaker 2: But the Nobel buying Physiology went to I guess said
Speaker 2: a scientist or scientists, I should say that studied animals,
Speaker 2: animals that can breathe through their anus. What So now
Speaker 2: they've taken their research and said, there's mammals that are
Speaker 2: capable of breeding through their butt. What do we do
Speaker 2: with that? Well for people who have disabilities or blocked
Speaker 2: airways or clogged lungs, THEPD for example. Maybe I don't know.
Speaker 2: They are now experimenting and getting promising results to bring
Speaker 2: rectal oxygen delivery one step closer to medical reality. I
Speaker 2: don't know if that's a foot pump. I'm not sure.
Speaker 2: If you, I don't know, you stop at UDF and
Speaker 2: you put quarters in. I have no idea how that
Speaker 2: would work, but guarantee this, if they get to that point,
Speaker 2: there will be some product that comes out. PNG is
Speaker 2: probably already working on something to make your anus smell better.
Speaker 2: So it's to have fresh breath from the mouth and
Speaker 2: the butt as well, a butt muffler or something. I
Speaker 2: don't know how they're going to do this. It's a
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's a stovepipe. I'm not going. Sure,
Speaker 2: you just think of I go, well, you now you've
Speaker 2: seriously if you can't breathe, that's problematic for the human
Speaker 2: condition generally. Not breathing is frowned upon in these parts,
Speaker 2: tends not to have good outcomes, as they say in
Speaker 2: the metal field. Now there's an option to actually be
Speaker 2: able to breathe through your butt, well, not an option yet,
Speaker 2: it's maybe they're working on this thing. What is that
Speaker 2: king to look like? Science is freaking amazing, absolutely amazing.
Speaker 2: That's good stuff right there, Scott's Sloan Show on this
Speaker 2: Thursday morning. So yeah, we're on the backside of this
Speaker 2: whole thing. Coming up at ten oh six dominic. Misser
Speaker 2: Indido's here. He's a retail expert. Okay, what nine months
Speaker 2: in roughly we're heading to the quarter four quarter four
Speaker 2: is here? How's this whole tariff thing working out? I
Speaker 2: was at the store yes two days ago and it
Speaker 2: was Costco. Of all places, which I love be some
Speaker 2: Costco because the prices are good, people are very friendly there,
Speaker 2: and everything's in quantity, which we like. I actually, for
Speaker 2: the first time a long time or since I can
Speaker 2: ever remember, said look to beef and went, yeah, it's
Speaker 2: too expensive. It didn't high like to eat right, being
Speaker 2: Italian and all that. And I look at it and go, wow,
Speaker 2: pick up a pack of steaks and they were just
Speaker 2: like I don't know, strip stakes or something like that.
Speaker 2: And it was one hundred dollars for it was a
Speaker 2: good It was a costco sized pack mine. It wasn't
Speaker 2: like tuesdaks. Even the hamburger was like, you know, six
Speaker 2: between six seven dollars a pound, Wow for hamburger. It
Speaker 2: looks at it when okay, it's a lot of hamburger freeze,
Speaker 2: like a lot of the stuff putting in the ceiler
Speaker 2: and bag it up. But yeah, you know what, I'm
Speaker 2: good chicka dizer, Like I got two forty nine pound,
Speaker 2: I'll go that. I'll do that, Like do I need no, No,
Speaker 2: we're good, We're good. I couldn't believe it. But then
Speaker 2: that's just me, and I'm sure you and in course
Speaker 2: countless other people. So many people feel the effect that
Speaker 2: every day. And you know, you look at it and go,
Speaker 2: can I actually afford to buy hamber It used to
Speaker 2: be steak, right or something nicer cut of meat. Now
Speaker 2: it's like I can't even I can iffer eggs, hamburger.
Speaker 2: It's all going through the roof inflation and tariffs and
Speaker 2: of course you know with beef too. There's a lot
Speaker 2: of other factors in there as well, with droughts and sicknesses.
Speaker 2: But we'll get into that with the dominant coming up
Speaker 2: at twelve I'm sorry, twelve or six, I said, coming
Speaker 2: up at t ten oh seven this morning here on
Speaker 2: the Scott Sloan Show on seven hundred WW News on
Speaker 2: the way about six minutes here, seven hundred W WELW
Speaker 2: Scott's Loan Show. Keeping on top of everything. The latest
Speaker 2: Thigi news kind of light today, But yesterday I think
Speaker 2: it was WCPO nine at a interview with aftab Purevall
Speaker 2: and he said, no, this investigation is going to take
Speaker 2: months to figure out what she did wrong so we
Speaker 2: can fire her. And you know, typically you go, well, maybe, okay, yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, maybe Thigi was did something that's going to
Speaker 2: cause her to be suspended and paid leave and what
Speaker 2: what has she got summoned back from the conference in
Speaker 2: Denver and we thought it was crime related and they're
Speaker 2: investigating her and now she's paid leave. What's going on?
Speaker 2: What kind of high level stuff is going on. Ask
Speaker 2: yourself a question, and that may be true, but ask
Speaker 2: yourself a question. How many times has that actually happened
Speaker 2: where someone is said, hey, we've suspended a person. Now
Speaker 2: we're going to wait two or three months and then
Speaker 2: tell you what it is we think they did wrong.
Speaker 2: Doesn't that Isn't that completely counter to the criminal justice system,
Speaker 2: even did the basics of due process And ironically, she's
Speaker 2: the chief of police. Due processes. Okay, here's what we're
Speaker 2: charging you with. Here are the accusations against you. Defend yourself.
Speaker 2: Instead they're going, okay, we're going to suspend you. Now
Speaker 2: we're going to look for the stuff we suspended you.
Speaker 2: It's it's part and parcel for what's going on in
Speaker 2: city hall. It really is something else. I'm not saying
Speaker 2: she's cla I don't know. I knowing Terry and her
Speaker 2: family and what they've done, hard to believe that she'd
Speaker 2: be up to something that would cost her her job,
Speaker 2: and you start to the mind wanders of things you
Speaker 2: could do as a chief that would cause you to
Speaker 2: be forced out. But we've never heard a rumor about that.
Speaker 2: Talk to people at other news organizations, they haven't heard
Speaker 2: anything like that. With Terry Thiji. It doesn't pass a
Speaker 2: sniff test. But again, no, normally how you do, like
Speaker 2: PG sitting and felt for example, okay, we heard rumors
Speaker 2: and then okay we had the FBI and the sting
Speaker 2: and all that. That information came out and he of
Speaker 2: course denied it all and then went to prison and
Speaker 2: then got out of prison because it was overturned. I
Speaker 2: get that. That's usually how it works. I don't see
Speaker 2: too often, if ever, we hat somethe go, we're suspending
Speaker 2: them and there's no inkling as to what they They
Speaker 2: don't know what they did. So I'll reach out to
Speaker 2: Steve vm over at Finny lawfer maybe he wants to
Speaker 2: come on and address this. We'll probably do that next
Speaker 2: week because hey, you know what, Thursday, Friday, you're thinking
Speaker 2: about the weekend, and so am I. So it feels
Speaker 2: like a good Monday topic. And who the hell knows
Speaker 2: what's going to happen between now and then? You got me?
Speaker 2: You got me? Speaking of crime and punishment, the Louver
Speaker 2: The louverra reopened yesterday, first time since Steve's stold eight
Speaker 2: of France's crown jewels and the value on that by
Speaker 2: the Way Street value of over one hundred million dollars
Speaker 2: for eight jewels, and they're still in the hunt obviously
Speaker 2: for the four thieves that did this during daylight hours.
Speaker 2: And what it incredibly they are addressed is construction workers.
Speaker 2: They get in and out of the louver in less
Speaker 2: than what seven minutes while the museum was opening to
Speaker 2: the public, and they also set off two alarms and
Speaker 2: were confronted by security personnel and somehow talked their way
Speaker 2: out of it and then hopped on some motorcycles and
Speaker 2: took off, which is pretty smart when you think about it.
Speaker 2: I mean, Paris, there are a life you've never been.
Speaker 2: But it's an incredible number of motorcycles they have in Europe,
Speaker 2: but particularly in France and in Paris obviously because so
Speaker 2: many people in the streets are so narrow, but you
Speaker 2: can get around on them pretty quickly. The idea that
Speaker 2: you're going to know all the things it gets you know,
Speaker 2: if you I stole a painting, be much harder to
Speaker 2: get away on a motorcycle. But he's still jewels, which
Speaker 2: is probably part of the target. It's like, okay, well
Speaker 2: I can throw them in my pocket, get them on
Speaker 2: bike and roll and then they had that image of
Speaker 2: the electric ladder that was extended the second floor window.
Speaker 2: But the louver is undergoing extens remodeling, as you may
Speaker 2: or may not know, and that's a pretty common sight.
Speaker 2: That's how you get things to the top floors. If
Speaker 2: you've you know, we see it occasionally in Cincinnati and
Speaker 2: are the most densest urban area. But if you go
Speaker 2: to I don't like Chicago or New York for example,
Speaker 2: and you watch them work on a building, I mean
Speaker 2: to hoist drywall up is a feat of engineering. We're
Speaker 2: literally got to blow all the windows out and just
Speaker 2: hoist it up on a giant lift and get the
Speaker 2: sheets of drywall up to the thirtieth floor whatever it
Speaker 2: is you're going. That's a whole different operation there. So
Speaker 2: it all it all kind of fit together. The fascinating
Speaker 2: part about this to me is how the alarms want
Speaker 2: they know the alarms would go off in security to respond,
Speaker 2: and how they are still able to get away in
Speaker 2: talking their way out of this thing dress as construction workers.
Speaker 2: I cannot wait to hear that element of it. That's
Speaker 2: the most fascinating part of this to me. And also
Speaker 2: it makes you think, well they had some insight knowledge
Speaker 2: of how things are going to work, because I did
Speaker 2: read that there are cameras in the second story. We're
Speaker 2: facing in the wrong direction. And you know, if you're
Speaker 2: working in construc diduction on a floor a couple of floors,
Speaker 2: moving stuff around is commonplace, and so you wonder if
Speaker 2: that was maybe how they got in, but you also
Speaker 2: think you'd have to have people inside the loop helping
Speaker 2: you too, and pretty precise the fact that they got
Speaker 2: in they got specifically what they wanted because there I
Speaker 2: know there's I don't know the total number of Crown jewels,
Speaker 2: but there's a number. They got eight of them, very
Speaker 2: specific items. But doesn't that make you think, okay, if
Speaker 2: specifically they got these things, was this like a did
Speaker 2: they already have the fence set up? And it was
Speaker 2: that someoney who said, hey, listen, we'll pay you this
Speaker 2: amount of money if you can get these jewels, go
Speaker 2: in and get them. And they did that. It was
Speaker 2: like a basically they placed an order and the thieves
Speaker 2: went and got this stuff. And just the number of
Speaker 2: people it took too, I think to pull this off
Speaker 2: is fascinating to me. So and it's just like the
Speaker 2: Italian job or Snatch or I mentioned Inspectorcluso in Pink
Speaker 2: Panther or Ocean's eleven. Yeah, it's just a good fevery
Speaker 2: story and you look at it, go this is gonna
Speaker 2: be Give me some pop because this it's gonna be
Speaker 2: great on Netflix when they finally solve this whole thing.
Speaker 1: By the way, uh.
Speaker 2: Scotts Tholone coming up next to the show Don Mizarndinos.
Speaker 2: Here is retail experts, the terraffs feeling that we're feeling
Speaker 2: the squeeze the consumer end. And I think that is
Speaker 2: indeed the problem here because when it's I don't know,
Speaker 2: cattle ranchers are getting money, Venezuela is getting money. We
Speaker 2: got money coming in from the terrace, but it's not
Speaker 2: trickling down to me and you. And if so, how
Speaker 2: long can we stand this pain with the terraffs. That's
Speaker 2: just ahead on the Home of the Best Bengals coverage
Speaker 2: seven hundred ww Cincinnati.
Speaker 5: Do you want to be an Americanio?
Speaker 2: He's got flown back on seven hundred WWT So, my
Speaker 2: wife and I work Costco the other day. Love me
Speaker 2: some Costco even though it's just two of us for
Speaker 2: summer speaking chop at Costco. Do I really need Do
Speaker 2: I really need a fifty five gallon drum a mayonnaise? No,
Speaker 2: but damn it, look at that price on that. Unfortunately,
Speaker 2: I'm looking around it for the first time since I
Speaker 2: don't know when I looked at a package of beef
Speaker 2: and I think it was like, you know, a pack
Speaker 2: of steaks or something you freeze on me to cut,
Speaker 2: and it was over one hundred dollars may like a
Speaker 2: package of ground beef. Now granted it's the Costco size package,
Speaker 2: but it was like forty to fifty bucks. And I
Speaker 2: looked at it and went, nope. So where are you
Speaker 2: on tariffs, because that's part of this too. Beef is
Speaker 2: a I think maybe a little bit different. But you know,
Speaker 2: we have that we have inflation driving the cost of
Speaker 2: goods or consumers the stuff that is widely important in
Speaker 2: the US, in particular furniture, car parts, electronics. I mentioned
Speaker 2: beef getting hit some of the big ones companies that
Speaker 2: passed on roughly two thirds of those costs to us
Speaker 2: to meet and you and we're waiting for all this
Speaker 2: to come back to us. The question is if and
Speaker 2: when and on that is dominic mister Indino is a
Speaker 2: CEO at retail tech Media Nexus Rtmnexus dot com Dominic.
Speaker 2: Welcome back, How you doing.
Speaker 4: Brother, Thrilled to be back. Thrilled to be back and
Speaker 4: cover some light and airy issues the economy.
Speaker 2: I was cringing at the price of beef and walk
Speaker 2: in and went now And I don't ever remember doing
Speaker 2: that because I like beef, I like chicken, I like
Speaker 2: you know this, My body type is beef. So when
Speaker 2: we look at the tariffs themselves and what's happening or
Speaker 2: President Trump just told cattle ranchers, I think yesterday, the
Speaker 2: only reason they're doing so well is because tariffs on
Speaker 2: cattle come in the United States are causing their prices
Speaker 2: and they're causing make a more profit. And that includes
Speaker 2: a fifty percent tear from Brazil. But now we want
Speaker 2: to import beef from Argentina because we want we want
Speaker 2: to help their economy, and then cattle ranchers here will
Speaker 2: get three billion dollars in assistance to those who have
Speaker 2: been hurt with the trade dispute with countries like China.
Speaker 2: So it's like just a malgam. It's a casse role
Speaker 2: of subsidy and giveaway and tariffs and then we're taking
Speaker 2: the money and giving it to farmers, and it feels
Speaker 2: like everyone's getting money of foreign countries and farmers, but
Speaker 2: they ain't doing anything for me and you.
Speaker 4: Well, and I think started the basics of the equation,
Speaker 4: and I go back to the basics, mean, what is
Speaker 4: a tar of the tariff is attacks essentially passed on
Speaker 4: to the consumer unimported goods, which means and you're gon't
Speaker 4: have to buy beef right now. Your choice is American
Speaker 4: beef at the price, and everything else has a paraffon it,
Speaker 4: there by making it more expensive, making the American beef
Speaker 4: price grows up. If the American consumer is good with that,
Speaker 4: paying higher prices, then hooray on Paris. Now the challenge
Speaker 4: is the American consumer, such as yourself, knock on the door,
Speaker 4: say one hundred dollars for feet. What's going on, dude?
Speaker 4: And cause there's one cycle. In the addition, you have
Speaker 4: this other issue, this whole Argentina thing. And then the
Speaker 4: farmers themselves saying, wait a minute, I thought we were
Speaker 4: winning in this equation. By stopping all external beef, you're
Speaker 4: helping Argentina. So I think you have almost like two
Speaker 4: stories hitting each other like the cars driving into each
Speaker 4: other middle the highway. And to be honest, the only
Speaker 4: one to lose is the guy who has a paycheck
Speaker 4: who says, are these parents necessarily getting me where I
Speaker 4: want to be?
Speaker 2: I think it's a fair assessment because you look at
Speaker 2: the Brazil and the tariffs and women to Argentine, Well Argentina, okay,
Speaker 2: Well need to help their economy. So we're gonna we're
Speaker 2: with the tariffs. I don't know what the impact is
Speaker 2: Argentina tariffs, but we only left their economents. They're gonna
Speaker 2: give them subsidy. We're gonna Venezuela in another one. Cattle ranchers
Speaker 2: here get three billion dollars because they're not selling stake
Speaker 2: because somebody like me walks in goes. I ain't paying
Speaker 2: that for a stake. You know, it'll be special came
Speaker 2: back to special occasion or grand beef or whatever it is. Okay,
Speaker 2: So they're getting money through you know, tariffs and sub
Speaker 2: said it, we don't get anything as the consumers. Now
Speaker 2: we're waiting. We're told back in January and up to
Speaker 2: that that hey, we're gonna hit the tariffs, and guess
Speaker 2: what we're gonna start getting jobs back, it's going to
Speaker 2: start just cost everyone's going to be rich. And we
Speaker 2: keep waiting for that, and I think, you know, here
Speaker 2: we are and and the Q four right now, we're
Speaker 2: not seeing that, and that really is the problem right here,
Speaker 2: we're not getting the relief we were told we're going
Speaker 2: to get.
Speaker 4: I think the critical part of that is the when,
Speaker 4: meaning tariffs add to the American overall budget to put
Speaker 4: them in supplicitic we get the money we're collecting. Everyone
Speaker 4: has to pay more for their beads, and they put
Speaker 4: sending money right to the US government. All right, theoretically
Speaker 4: paying down debt, but the when kicks in, so you're
Speaker 4: paying one hundred bucks x percentage of it goes to
Speaker 4: tariffs if it's not US based, goes right to the
Speaker 4: US budget, and thereby you're paying down the budget. Now
Speaker 4: your next question of when, well, most estimates are ten
Speaker 4: years plus, right, So the average consumer has to think
Speaker 4: the when timeline is a little bit off. You know,
Speaker 4: we're not going to see necessarily you're paying a hundred
Speaker 4: bucks and the next week prices magically dropped. Yep. And
Speaker 4: I think the American, the average person you know, can
Speaker 4: can live with this three months, six months, nine months,
Speaker 4: and now we're coming down to nine months of the presidency.
Speaker 4: It's a doubt. See how people look at saying, why
Speaker 4: am I paying this much? Wealthy?
Speaker 2: I get it right, We're not in the town. We've
Speaker 2: seen this before, like the wars and stuff. We just
Speaker 2: you fight America, just go. We'll just hang on for
Speaker 2: a lot longer because we have the attention span of
Speaker 2: a moth, which is pretty much non existing, and we
Speaker 2: just okay, well, look at the midterms and we'll punish
Speaker 2: Republicans because it's not going fast enough, and then a
Speaker 2: Democrat will come in and undo all this stuff and
Speaker 2: start their own policies, and that won't work, and then
Speaker 2: we're back to a Republican and meanwhile, the cost of
Speaker 2: everything is going through the roof. I think in particulars,
Speaker 2: you know Dominic with beef, there are some outliers there
Speaker 2: an addition to tariffs and not just fair to say tarraffs.
Speaker 2: But we had a multi year drought that caused cattle
Speaker 2: herts to shrink. We know that farmers are hit with that,
Speaker 2: and production expenses went up and I think we're down
Speaker 2: by like seven to ten percent. Fewer ranches in America
Speaker 2: number of cattle producing farms, and America's gone down over
Speaker 2: the past several years. We had to stop importing cattle
Speaker 2: from Mexico because of the screw worm, which is a
Speaker 2: parasitic flesh eating maggot, I guess, And so we all
Speaker 2: these factors in addition to the tariff that.
Speaker 4: Doesn't help well, you know the other factor to me economically,
Speaker 4: I am very much the type of thinking. More competition
Speaker 4: gives us more choices. Isn't it great when you go
Speaker 4: when you could say I want to buy Argentinian beef,
Speaker 4: I want to buy a New Zealand lamb or whatever
Speaker 4: you want. The problem with the tariffs is actually we're
Speaker 4: eliminating to other choices For the average consumer. You go
Speaker 4: there and you have to buy whatever is the cheapest
Speaker 4: because you're just trying to make a paycheck at this point.
Speaker 4: That doesn't necessarily help any lucky. But the competition does
Speaker 4: reduce the prices and cause people to say, say, you know,
Speaker 4: let me make the choice and maybe it's equal, and
Speaker 4: you choose Americans, and that's great, right as an argument about.
Speaker 2: That, right, Yeah? And I think the thing is we
Speaker 2: heard that, I guess because of the tariffs America has made,
Speaker 2: I guess, and the taxes and the import tax it
Speaker 2: would be some two hundred million. I forget with the numbers.
Speaker 2: It's a lot of money, but that's not getting sent
Speaker 2: back to the tax for the consumers. It's going to
Speaker 2: you know, the ranchers to not to make offsets and
Speaker 2: other manufacturers get subs to the other countries are getting
Speaker 2: that money back. It's not time to go ar Argentina,
Speaker 2: right right, And none of us coming back to the
Speaker 2: American consumer. Although some good news India. I guess the
Speaker 2: US were close to coming up with a trade deal
Speaker 2: that could cut things from fifty percent down to like
Speaker 2: fifteen percent, which would be huge. How big a dent
Speaker 2: does that make to the consumer? Do we see that?
Speaker 4: I don't think we will because the other other factor
Speaker 4: in all, if you're running a company in America and
Speaker 4: let's say you're not affected by terrffs, but all the
Speaker 4: other prices and now going up by fifty percent, you're
Speaker 4: going to raise your price. I mean, I've spoken to
Speaker 4: many retailers who said, we are American based, and while
Speaker 4: the theory was the tariff, you know, I guess raises
Speaker 4: everyone else's prices and the American is there by cheaper
Speaker 4: and reason up because why am I going to charge
Speaker 4: five bucks when everything else at ten? Because I'm just
Speaker 4: making five bucks more now at this point. I'm raising
Speaker 4: my price from five to ten at that point, and
Speaker 4: the American consumer will take it because all the other
Speaker 4: prices are now right.
Speaker 2: Well at some point of me, you know, we heard
Speaker 2: about the cost Well, we're going to eat the costs.
Speaker 2: Eat the costs. Well, we know now that manufactures because
Speaker 2: the data's out there that said they're passing two thirds
Speaker 2: of stuff out of the consumer. So, but how do
Speaker 2: retail how did they do? You're in the retail business dominic, mistery,
Speaker 2: you know, how do they decide which tariff costs to absorb,
Speaker 2: which wants to pass on the consumers?
Speaker 5: What?
Speaker 1: What?
Speaker 2: What factors in on that?
Speaker 4: I mean, I'm actually not only see r TM next
Speaker 4: is the must board for Engaged three, a pricing company,
Speaker 4: And we have these conversations all the time. It's what
Speaker 4: the consumer wants in the sense that right now you're
Speaker 4: buying all are you going jump to one fifty tomorrow? Probably?
Speaker 4: Now you might switch to vegetables. However, one hundred dollars
Speaker 4: beef for the next six months. Your mindset starts to
Speaker 4: switch and you say, this is normal now and right now.
Speaker 4: If you think we had this mantra of the price
Speaker 4: of eggs, the price of eggs, the price of eggs,
Speaker 4: it's not like the price of eggs is less when
Speaker 4: Trump came to office. Now, I'm not saying that in
Speaker 4: a political sense. I'm saying in a psychological sense. We
Speaker 4: we set as a as a society, we all go,
Speaker 4: this must be normal, there's nothing wrong about it's whatsoever?
Speaker 4: And in fact, well, it isn't down. You know, it's
Speaker 4: roughly where we were a year or two ago. Is that?
Speaker 2: Yeah? And I think that's true, especially in Dominican gas prices.
Speaker 2: Right when when the gas has been low recently, but
Speaker 2: you know, hey, gas is up near for well, hits
Speaker 2: that magic. You know even number four dollars, three fifty
Speaker 2: four dollars gas four dollars agains. This is outrageous. But
Speaker 2: if it drops down to three seventy five, three fifty,
Speaker 2: you're like, oh, okay, gas prices down, but a year
Speaker 2: ago gas was three dollars. Callum, we forget.
Speaker 4: We absolutely do. I mean I'm looking right now, live
Speaker 4: at the price of gas. It has been roughly the
Speaker 4: same and high since twenty twenty when it dipped when
Speaker 4: no one was using gas anyway during COVID. So we
Speaker 4: do say, hooray went from four to three. Horay beef
Speaker 4: is now one hundred, it goes down to ninety. And
Speaker 4: I think we have to almost look and the data
Speaker 4: is there. You can go Google. Everyone on this listening
Speaker 4: now can go immediately Google, look at the price and
Speaker 4: historically states and decide for themselves as voters, is this
Speaker 4: the policies they want and how long? And the answer
Speaker 4: could be yes in certain circumstances. Now to me, I
Speaker 4: will say, in my opinion, I think certain times don't
Speaker 4: make any sense to me in a sense like calling
Speaker 4: the premise being you're going to raise that American industry,
Speaker 4: but there's only one state that makes coffee. Yeah, it's light, right,
Speaker 4: so why stock all others? Gasoline is a good example.
Speaker 4: I don't think we should be limiting resources, and there's
Speaker 4: very few resources. I think as a consumer makes sense
Speaker 4: to limit because it's if limits my choices. I enjoy
Speaker 4: going supermarket and having something different to try today.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, when by shut down a Keystone pipeline we
Speaker 2: need more of that in the interim. I mean, you know,
Speaker 2: clean energy is great, it's a great goal to have,
Speaker 2: but for the least next hundred years, we're going to
Speaker 2: dependent on fossil fuels. There's just no way around it
Speaker 2: because it's in everything we consume, not just your car,
Speaker 2: but your clothes, your house, your your your coffee cup,
Speaker 2: all this. If it's insane to think that we can
Speaker 2: just slip a switch and make everything green. Dominic miss
Speaker 2: Redino's the CEO of Retail Tech Media and Nexus RTM
Speaker 2: mediaext dot com and uh he is a expert when
Speaker 2: it comes to why stuff costs what it costs in
Speaker 2: the retail environment, and specifically it's starting to I think
Speaker 2: we're starting to see at the checkout timing, what is
Speaker 2: the impact on like Kroger for example, Cincinnati bas Kroger.
Speaker 4: You know, all this comes down back to the consumer
Speaker 4: in the sense that yes, is a question of passing
Speaker 4: it on. But when you're limiting choices, what does the
Speaker 4: consumer say? Generally, the consumer, when the price hit it,
Speaker 4: we'll go into survival mode. So maybe you're not buying
Speaker 4: the organic beats you want to buy. You know, maybe
Speaker 4: you're not buying this specialty localized and they're buying survival.
Speaker 4: So I think the mindset switches to what the consumer needs.
Speaker 2: M what about independent retailers though? What about the little guy.
Speaker 4: That theor to me, if you're the average consumer listening
Speaker 4: on this broadcast and you're thinking yourself, where am I
Speaker 4: going shopping? It's one hundred bucks people have When they
Speaker 4: said that out loud, they're everything once can costco see it, oh,
Speaker 4: buying that. They're not necessarily saying themselves, I'm going to
Speaker 4: go downtown to that specialty butcher to buy that's specialty
Speaker 4: localized XYZ. Not because they don't want to, because the
Speaker 4: price is it's survival of that, you know, for the
Speaker 4: family pay the bill. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, We've got the holidays coming up. So then there's
Speaker 2: a factor of seasonal planning and holiday inventory. Are we
Speaker 2: going to notice a difference and how much stuff in
Speaker 2: stock is on shelves because you don't want to overbuy,
Speaker 2: you know, on underbuy. And it's a season starting earlier
Speaker 2: and earlier because well, they're going to get their inventory
Speaker 2: and when it's gone, it's gone.
Speaker 4: I tell people the times start earlier for the holiday season.
Speaker 4: I'm already starting to see it. I'm talking to retail thing.
Speaker 4: Our inventory is shifting, we're running out of star more
Speaker 4: often than not, we're hitting those delays. I don't think
Speaker 4: it's necessarily panic as much, and I don't think kients
Speaker 4: ever the right answer. It is planning. It's always planning
Speaker 4: over panic, right.
Speaker 2: Dominic as far as the big picture here, and you
Speaker 2: know the way, Well, we're doing these teriffs because we're
Speaker 2: going to repatriate American jobs. And I mean, are your suppliers,
Speaker 2: are your the companies you represent, are they specifically seeking
Speaker 2: American manufacturers and American trades people to supply them with
Speaker 2: the goods that they need to stock their shelves.
Speaker 4: To be fair, I think the answer, of course is
Speaker 4: it depends chip manufacturers, chemicals dirty that Americans don't want.
Speaker 4: They're not coming back, and nor maybe do we even
Speaker 4: want them to come back. We don't necessarily want our
Speaker 4: kids going into minds, right if we can avoid it.
Speaker 4: That said, if it's something that can be repatriated, but
Speaker 4: you know, you're not getting coffee coming to America anytime soon.
Speaker 4: I'm not building a chick factory for ten years anytime soon.
Speaker 4: Those things are definitely getting limited. So I think, uh,
Speaker 4: you know. One example, I just spoke to an eyeglass company.
Speaker 4: She's like, the only people can make these glasses, specialty,
Speaker 4: high end glasses are in Italy. She's like, I can't
Speaker 4: get a factory. She's like, if I get them to
Speaker 4: even even if I could immigrate them over, which is
Speaker 4: another immigration question. How do I get the specialtiest specialty
Speaker 4: guy who's been doing this for fifty years to come
Speaker 4: to Ohio and train the people on that craft craft
Speaker 4: and artisanship and factories take a there are some that
Speaker 4: might not woodworking, you know, we have there find things
Speaker 4: we do have in America we don't. But when it
Speaker 4: comes to industries that need to be recreated from scratch,
Speaker 4: you hear these factories overseas. We're not going to get
Speaker 4: American workers going in at four dollars an hour anytime soon,
Speaker 4: just not the economics. But they have that instead.
Speaker 2: Yeah, nobody knows where this ends, is the thing and
Speaker 2: what happens over the next year or two years, because
Speaker 2: belts are tightening and I think you know, your your
Speaker 2: retailer see that at the counter, what people are buying
Speaker 2: or not buying. You know, we look at the layoffs
Speaker 2: of companies like P and G, for example here in Cincinnati,
Speaker 2: because they're forward looking, right, they're looking quarters ahead, going, well,
Speaker 2: you know what, people are buying cheaper laundry decrision, or
Speaker 2: they're doing fewer loads of laundry. They'll still buying tide,
Speaker 2: but they're doing fewer loads or trying to cram more
Speaker 2: in their laundry. And so now we have to offset
Speaker 2: that by well, we got to tighten our belts as well.
Speaker 2: So it's it seems like it's slow moving, but it's not,
Speaker 2: and the tariffs are coming on roofs, and longer it
Speaker 2: goes on, we got to start seeing some payoffs at
Speaker 2: some point, otherwise it's just going to be held to
Speaker 2: pay here. I don't know how you can afford ground
Speaker 2: beef at this point for the typical American family. I mean,
Speaker 2: it's my wife and I We do fairly well, but
Speaker 2: family members, our kids are example like, yeah, we can't
Speaker 2: buy we can't afford that anymore. And you start to
Speaker 2: wonder the effect if this how much longer this can
Speaker 2: go on? He's Dominic Misterndino, CEO at Retail Tech Media
Speaker 2: and Nexus Rtmnexus dot com. Dominic always appreciate the insight.
Speaker 2: Thanks again, brother, I appreciate it.
Speaker 4: Thank you very much. We'll talk soon.
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Speaker 2: break in here on seven hundred WW slowly and this morning.
Speaker 2: And this affects all of us too. By the way,
Speaker 2: I just tell you a story about the social media
Speaker 2: and how they fed all the clickbait and all this
Speaker 2: nonsense you read on social media into AI chatbots, and
Speaker 2: it actually made aichat Ai dummer and more angry, which
Speaker 2: is it's measurable, and that's computer imagement's doing us. And
Speaker 2: of all the things that keep you awakened, that may
Speaker 2: be one thing. Some sixty to seventy million Americans have
Speaker 2: chronic sleep deprivation. Twenty two of us have sleep apnea.
Speaker 2: Twenty two million people have sleep apnea. Insomnia effects about
Speaker 2: a third of the population. A third of adults in
Speaker 2: four and ten say they often feel or fall asleep
Speaker 2: at work. And if you're a truck driver, that's really concerning.
Speaker 2: Some jobs you probably can get away with. There are
Speaker 2: times where I've admittedly fall asleep during the show and
Speaker 2: no one noticed. But truck drivers that is bad. You're
Speaker 2: flying an airplane. Bad. You're probably in somebody's heart doing surgery. Bad.
Speaker 2: Talk show, not so much. Sonjay Shaiva Crimani's on the
Speaker 2: show this morning is in the air physician at doctor
Speaker 2: Sonja Sinsey with a y or. He intersects the worlds
Speaker 2: of food and health and fitness and jumps in the
Speaker 2: show this morning in studio this morning, how are you
Speaker 2: a coach? How you doing doing well? Thanks for having
Speaker 2: me doing good? Thanks for coming in this morning. Okay,
Speaker 2: so you're an your air physician in Cincinnati, but you're
Speaker 2: also you're in the fitness realm as well. You hear
Speaker 2: the story and you probably see it a lot of
Speaker 2: sleep apnea presents, and we know that you can get
Speaker 2: some very serious illness. You can die from sleep apnia.
Speaker 2: How much how many undiagnosed the twenty two million, how
Speaker 2: many of those you think are undiagnosed, like the bulk
Speaker 2: of them.
Speaker 6: I think it's probably the bulk. So I mean, to
Speaker 6: have the diagnosis, you kind of have to see a doctor,
Speaker 6: have the studies done right right. And some people, you know,
Speaker 6: are just getting slapped in the middle of the night
Speaker 6: by their partner in bed, being like you're snoring, when
Speaker 6: it's actually it's something more serious than that, specifically sleep apnan.
Speaker 2: Or you just go into another bedroom of the couch exactly.
Speaker 2: You can't stand it.
Speaker 6: That's a new thing. It's sleep divorce. Yeah, you've heard
Speaker 6: of this thing. Yeah, yeah, that's a big deal. Yeah,
Speaker 6: so people are starting to do that. But it's not
Speaker 6: like divorcing because of sleep. It's just sleeping in separate areas.
Speaker 6: But that might actually be your clue that maybe there's
Speaker 6: something else going on other than you just can't sleep
Speaker 6: well without the person or you can't stand your partner
Speaker 6: like it could be something worse.
Speaker 2: Well, let's get how much how much of these sleep
Speaker 2: problems that we have in America and affects most all
Speaker 2: of us. I mean, they say get between eight you know,
Speaker 2: eight hours of sleep? Is that an actual goal? Is
Speaker 2: that a hard fast number? Is it different for different people.
Speaker 2: So it's a pretty solid number. So seven to eight
Speaker 2: hours is what we're shooting for. Something less than seven
Speaker 2: does start adding up. In fact, your performance in general
Speaker 2: kind of decreases over time. So I actually went to
Speaker 2: this Ted talk several years ago and the guy said,
Speaker 2: you know, the first four hours of sleep is just
Speaker 2: to restore your body.
Speaker 6: That's all you're doing. You're repairing your body. But the
Speaker 6: next four hours is where your brain regenerates. So like
Speaker 6: all that emotional stuff that you need to face your day,
Speaker 6: you need to face the struggles of your day, the challenges, like,
Speaker 6: that's what you get in the next four hours, and
Speaker 6: you need those next four hours, all of it to
Speaker 6: be your best in those emotional situations. So yeah, we
Speaker 6: can survive, but we are not the best versions of
Speaker 6: ourselves while we're just surviving. If we're getting four to
Speaker 6: six hours of sleep, it's ours seven and eight where
Speaker 6: we really get like the maximum benefit.
Speaker 2: Can you make that up in the weekend when some
Speaker 2: people go working really hard and then I mean, you
Speaker 2: know you're an ear doc, so you were crazy. Do
Speaker 2: you sleep for like twelve hours? Is that? Can you?
Speaker 2: That would be a healthy right? Yeah? Excuse the pun.
Speaker 2: If you could do that like a college.
Speaker 6: So the whole idea of like banking sleep and getting it,
Speaker 6: there's there's a little bit of benefit there, but it's
Speaker 6: not as much as we think. It's the it's the
Speaker 6: daily kind of thing we need to get and this
Speaker 6: is one of those Yeah, you just nailed it. Like
Speaker 6: as an er doc, my my schedule is crazy. It's days,
Speaker 6: it's nights, it's weekends, it's all over the place. And
Speaker 6: so that's why I hold sleep such in such importance
Speaker 6: in my life because it's it's not good, but it
Speaker 6: is literally the foundation of my well being and everything else.
Speaker 6: It is the number one thing. And you can ask
Speaker 6: my fiance. I'm almost obsessive about my sleep, but I
Speaker 6: need to be because it's thrown off so often that
Speaker 6: I have to do whatever I can to maximize it
Speaker 6: so I can be my best in every.
Speaker 2: Realm in my life. And it's more like a shift
Speaker 2: work because you're you know, you're not, hey, I'm not
Speaker 2: nine to five er doc. No, it's where they need
Speaker 2: you in different times and for twelve hours of a time,
Speaker 2: right or maybe longer in some cases. But that's true
Speaker 2: for a lot of people who work second third shift,
Speaker 2: they wrotetate cops do that, right.
Speaker 6: Yeah, And and it affects you over time. A lot
Speaker 6: of people love working nights for for good reason. It's
Speaker 6: usually a cooler vibe, right, But turning around or sleeping
Speaker 6: during the day, it's just not what our bodies were
Speaker 6: built to do. And over time that where on us.
Speaker 6: I mean, there's studies out there that you know, if
Speaker 6: you're if you're a night shift worker, you literally die
Speaker 6: earlier than people who work dacious, right. And I've known
Speaker 6: this my entire career, and I'm just like, oh, I
Speaker 6: just accept it, and now I'm doing what i can
Speaker 6: to like die a little later, I guess.
Speaker 2: But it's yeah, well you know what I mean. Look,
Speaker 2: we're going to at a time a year now, son
Speaker 2: Jay where you don't see the sun, and if you
Speaker 2: work thirds, like I did that for a while, you
Speaker 2: literally you don't see the sun at all ever. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and we know that has a big, big effect on
Speaker 2: the sleep cycle or Katie.
Speaker 6: Rhythms exactly, so like when when you wake up. So
Speaker 6: the whole thing is people oftentimes say watch your blue
Speaker 6: light at night before you go to bed, and that's
Speaker 6: a that's a whole thing, or being exposed to light
Speaker 6: in the last couple hours before you go to bed,
Speaker 6: but they're actually finding Also the morning time daylight is
Speaker 6: really important, so like within an hour, getting ten to
Speaker 6: fifteen minutes of light exposure in that hour. But if
Speaker 6: it's dark outside, if you got one of the Cincinnati winters,
Speaker 6: you're not going to see this the sun necessarily if
Speaker 6: you're sleeping all day. And so it does affect the
Speaker 6: night shift workers over time, and it initially you may
Speaker 6: not feel it if you're young, but as we get older,
Speaker 6: it really starts adding up.
Speaker 2: What about one of those happy lights. I've got one
Speaker 2: of those, I don't know. In the winter, sometimes I'll
Speaker 2: plug it in at my desk or whatever and it
Speaker 2: throws out simulates the sun. Does that work? Does that
Speaker 2: do anything?
Speaker 6: It's something. It does a little something. It's not as
Speaker 6: great as being out in nature being exposed to the
Speaker 6: to the elements, but at the same time, you'd be
Speaker 6: exposing yourself to the elements. And so it's like fifteen
Speaker 6: degrees outside. Hell yeah, go right, go hit the light.
Speaker 2: Why do we do this? I mean you just hit
Speaker 2: on two things. You want that sunlight, that natural sunlight
Speaker 2: early in the morning. Why not make an alarm clock
Speaker 2: that has a light hooked up to it and it
Speaker 2: gradually comes on and lights up the room? What about that?
Speaker 6: It's got your billion dollar idea has already been invented
Speaker 6: over and over again.
Speaker 2: But I had something again, But no, it exists.
Speaker 6: I forget the brand names for it, but they definitely exist,
Speaker 6: and they slowly come on, slowly wake you up, and
Speaker 6: I'll tell you, the smallest shred of light will have
Speaker 6: me up and eyes open. So like, it's not great
Speaker 6: for me, but it works for some people.
Speaker 2: Sanjay Shave of Krimani's on the show. He's in our
Speaker 2: physician at Doctor Sanjay's and an expert in fitness and
Speaker 2: food and health and fit. We're talking about sleep this morning,
Speaker 2: which is a big deal. Most of us don't get
Speaker 2: the necessary seven to eight hours if you're getting sad.
Speaker 2: I'm like a seven guy myself, so I think I'm okay.
Speaker 2: But I noticed too, the older you get, you wake
Speaker 2: up in the middle of the night and you're up
Speaker 2: for like two or three hour it feels like you're
Speaker 2: up for hours, right, yeah, what is that? Why has
Speaker 2: that happened?
Speaker 6: So the brain starts getting I mean you're just getting old, Sloan,
Speaker 6: that's what it is. So your your brain starts.
Speaker 2: Telling me about it because I'm limping around the studio
Speaker 2: just getting off crutches. Yeah, no, kidd and thanks. You
Speaker 2: and me both are broken aples shop jel. It's fine.
Speaker 6: But overtime, so when we're young, our brain knows what
Speaker 6: to do, and over time our brain kind of forgets
Speaker 6: what to do and how to sync with the cycle
Speaker 6: of life. That's what That's what the current thought is.
Speaker 6: So as we get older, our brain's like, oh, it's
Speaker 6: the middle of the night, maybe I'm supposed to be
Speaker 6: awake right now, as opposed to our younger brain that
Speaker 6: is smarter. So yeah, we're just getting dark. It's dumb,
Speaker 6: and here we are.
Speaker 2: I thought it was something to it, like I'm so
Speaker 2: efficient at sleep. I only need four or five hours
Speaker 2: and I wake up and I awake for two or three.
Speaker 2: But I remember seeing something sign Jay years ago, a
Speaker 2: fascinating story about the history of sleep in how screwed
Speaker 2: up we got when electricity came on and you know,
Speaker 2: candlelight things like because it used to be hey, you
Speaker 2: and sun goes down the fire go to bed at
Speaker 2: five o'clock and then get up in the but people
Speaker 2: would sleep for four hours, get up, they'd make babies,
Speaker 2: they get the stuff ready to eat the next day,
Speaker 2: get some firewood going, and then they go to bed.
Speaker 2: They'd be up for a few hours and then go
Speaker 2: to bed for So because human history is a relatively
Speaker 2: small sliver of our existence, so modern history we're talking
Speaker 2: about here, we're like genetically wire to wake up in
Speaker 2: the middle of the night to some degree somewhat.
Speaker 6: I mean, we don't have a lot of evidence of
Speaker 6: all that stuff, but I'll tell you that. Like, what
Speaker 6: we've also found is different cultures need different amount of sleep.
Speaker 6: So like we say we need seven eight hours as humans,
Speaker 6: but it's actually kind of an American state. I don't
Speaker 6: know what other countries there are, but some countries actually
Speaker 6: require less sleep and you're okay, you're actually thriving at sex.
Speaker 2: So it's kind of weird.
Speaker 6: So maybe that was a different culture back then too,
Speaker 6: where you needed less sleep or needed to sleep in
Speaker 6: the middle of the day. But you know, like European
Speaker 6: culture with the siesta and everything that also works for them,
Speaker 6: and so it depends. But the kind of cumulative amount
Speaker 6: you need is seven or eight in today's world for
Speaker 6: the most part, now that we're all becoming semi one
Speaker 6: culture because we're all plugged into the same stuff.
Speaker 2: Right right, Okay, now that makes a lot of sense.
Speaker 2: So we're also told, hey, you know you need a
Speaker 2: ten thousand dollars mattress that cools and heats you unless
Speaker 2: you up and down all that stuff to get the
Speaker 2: best nice sleep in your life?
Speaker 6: Is that just marketing? Is are some truth in that?
Speaker 6: There's definitely truth to it. I think you know, you
Speaker 6: got mattresses, you got supplements, you got all the other
Speaker 6: things out there. Mattress is important. I mean I definitely
Speaker 6: invested in a good mattress and a good pillow. But
Speaker 6: there's other things you can do, and specifically, you know,
Speaker 6: temperature of your room, which a lot of people don't
Speaker 6: key in on. It's the light that we just talked about.
Speaker 6: And then it's consistency of sleep schedule, which coming from me,
Speaker 6: I mean, do as I say, not as I do
Speaker 6: on that one, because I literally can't. But the the
Speaker 6: mattress quality is important. I mean, if you're if you're
Speaker 6: sleeping on a bed of rocks and that's something new
Speaker 6: to you, it's not gonna it's not gonna turn out well.
Speaker 2: If you toss and turn son, Jay, is that indicating
Speaker 2: indicating you a bad night's sleep or is it just
Speaker 2: your toster return because I'm a toster turn.
Speaker 6: So are you a tosser and turner all night or
Speaker 6: is it a tosser and turner intermittently?
Speaker 2: I have no idea. I'm sleeping. Yeah, what I know.
Speaker 2: You're the doctor and tell me I asked a really
Speaker 2: good questions. Yeah, you definitely, you're flipping all over the place.
Speaker 6: So, so you know, our body goes through the cycles
Speaker 6: of sleep, and you know, we're light sleep, then we're
Speaker 6: deep sleep, and then there's the REM cycle where our
Speaker 6: brain goes a little wild. That's when our dreams happen.
Speaker 6: And as we go on further in the night, typically
Speaker 6: if we're if we're healthy, we'll have more and more
Speaker 6: REM cycles as the night goes on. And so it's
Speaker 6: not atypical for you to be tossing and turning, especially
Speaker 6: like between if you're sleeping from eleven to seven, from
Speaker 6: three to seven, you're probably going to be tossing more
Speaker 6: because you toss more with your dreams because your brain's
Speaker 6: a little restless. And doing all the rem things that
Speaker 6: it needs to do and having all the dreams.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it seems I wake up, it'll be like a
Speaker 2: solid four hours and you wake up and then you
Speaker 2: go to the bathroom or whatever. And that's the other
Speaker 2: thing too, is you get older, you tend to go
Speaker 2: to the bathroom more.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's it's all you know, you and I, I
Speaker 6: mean for the whole my part where we're definitely the
Speaker 6: four hour wake up guys now and it doesn't matter
Speaker 6: what I do. And and now are their ankle bros.
Speaker 6: You know, with with those injuries. I have a little
Speaker 6: more swelling in my ankle now than I used to.
Speaker 6: And so that just that's what goes in the middle
Speaker 6: of the night.
Speaker 2: Wake up and go Should you just get up? If
Speaker 2: it's like, Okay, I'm wide awake, I feel good, Should
Speaker 2: I just go up and do something and then come
Speaker 2: back to bed later. So it's a great point you
Speaker 2: makes it on.
Speaker 6: So a lot of people are like, oh, I'm just
Speaker 6: gonna stay in bed, I'm gonna I'm gonna sleep, I'm
Speaker 6: gonna sleep, I'm gonna sleep, I'm gonna get back to sleep.
Speaker 6: But one of the best things you can do sometimes
Speaker 6: is get up and move around and change your environment
Speaker 6: just for a little bit and come back to bed.
Speaker 6: You don't want to necessarily like play a video game
Speaker 6: or look at a screen or maybe even even look
Speaker 6: at an eeater. You just kind of want to move
Speaker 6: your environment a little bit, don't eat, don't drink a thing,
Speaker 6: but just move a little bit, come back to bed
Speaker 6: and try again as opposed to just willing it to
Speaker 6: be just lying in bed, because when we force something
Speaker 6: like that, it just never turns out good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Sonja Shava Karani is on his e our physician,
Speaker 2: and we're talking about health and fitness and well and sleep.
Speaker 2: It is a big thing. Especially we're going to have
Speaker 2: the time change here in a little bit. That always
Speaker 2: screws people up.
Speaker 4: Yep.
Speaker 2: You know, our gain, our lost whatever. But at the
Speaker 2: end of the day, your body still has to adjust
Speaker 2: to these whole things. And you may be getting up
Speaker 2: in the middle of the night and you're tossing and turning.
Speaker 2: What does that mean to I need a better mattress.
Speaker 2: Is the room comfortable? These things? And I'll come full
Speaker 2: circle on this because we were talking about how social
Speaker 2: media pollutes the brain, and they tested with AI and
Speaker 2: it it's making AI dumber. If they feeded a steady
Speaker 2: dyet a clickbait, what does that say about me and you?
Speaker 2: I think that's the other thing is do most people
Speaker 2: who is you know, we talked about sleep apnean, We've
Speaker 2: talked about other reasons why people don't get a good
Speaker 2: night's sleep, But how much of this is by you know,
Speaker 2: just life baggage? You know, we're consuming news, we're online
Speaker 2: and reading all this stuff, and then you wake up
Speaker 2: and you start thinking about it, and then you have
Speaker 2: this fear and you start getting this cycle, this mental cycle,
Speaker 2: and now all of a sudden, that's where the I
Speaker 2: would say, you know, nighttime, that's when the demons come
Speaker 2: out in your head when it's quiet and you start
Speaker 2: thinking fatalist things and horrible things. And how do you
Speaker 2: break that cycle? And how much does that contribute to
Speaker 2: what we're talking about?
Speaker 6: It is a great question because the two things that
Speaker 6: we're keying in on here is one the use of
Speaker 6: the phone in general. So you have blue light, you know,
Speaker 6: shooting into your eyeballs and it's waking up your brain
Speaker 6: while you're using it, and so we really want to
Speaker 6: turn that off literally at least one hour before bed
Speaker 6: with any like any device, tablets, phones, et cetera, to
Speaker 6: allow our brains to rest a little bit. And then
Speaker 6: you have the issue of well, the content of that
Speaker 6: and what it's doing to you and adding to your
Speaker 6: stress and anxiety, especially taking in world events, et cetera,
Speaker 6: but maybe even your own personal stuff. Right, your brain's
Speaker 6: just going and it is hard to calm down. And
Speaker 6: a lot of people say, you know, I got to
Speaker 6: read before I go to bed, or I got to
Speaker 6: get my news in before I go to bed, and
Speaker 6: it's actually working for me. You've probably conditioned your brain,
Speaker 6: like watching TV before bed, which a lot of people do.
Speaker 6: I'm my best friend falls asleep watching TV every night.
Speaker 6: You probably condition your brain to say, oh, that's the TV.
Speaker 6: I'm going to go to sleep now, okay, right, but
Speaker 6: you're not going to get good sleep, so your brain's
Speaker 6: going to be kind of still going with all of
Speaker 6: that stuff, still processing it, and then you know, you'll
Speaker 6: have one of those middle of the night wake ups,
Speaker 6: like you're talking about everything's quiet, and that's the time
Speaker 6: when your brain shows up and has a party, and
Speaker 6: so it's really hard to fall asleep when there's stuff.
Speaker 6: You know, when you're taking in stuff right before you
Speaker 6: go to bed.
Speaker 2: You should tell my wife this because she'll sit there
Speaker 2: and scroll TikTok for like an hour, yeah, and then
Speaker 2: go put it down, and she's sleeping in thirty seconds
Speaker 2: and sleeps with straight eight hours.
Speaker 6: I mean, there's superhumans among us. They're superhumans out there,
Speaker 6: and I am definitely not one of them.
Speaker 2: I can't, I can't. I get my iPad. But I'm
Speaker 2: reading a book, yeah, you know, and something that's like history,
Speaker 2: or I'm reading a book about George Remis from Cincinnati
Speaker 2: here of all things. And yeah, it takes you know,
Speaker 2: for me, I read like a half a chapter and
Speaker 2: fall asleep. So I try to find boring topics and
Speaker 2: things like that and not to get all worked up
Speaker 2: and just you know, falls.
Speaker 6: There's two ways of as far as content goes. So
Speaker 6: my fiance was reading this boring book and literally she
Speaker 6: read two lines every night and she out and it was,
Speaker 6: you know, it was this like really scientific book. And
Speaker 6: but I I prefer actually reading fiction on a on
Speaker 6: like a Kindle e reader, so you get a little
Speaker 6: less blue light coming out, but there's still some lights
Speaker 6: are out. And I read fiction because it just sends
Speaker 6: me into like fantasy.
Speaker 2: World and I'm in a dream zone. Now.
Speaker 6: Some people will say that e readers do admit, well,
Speaker 6: they do. They emit some light, so you're kind of
Speaker 6: affecting yourself a little bit. So, but you know what's
Speaker 6: the other way you're going to do it is have
Speaker 6: a light above your head right, and that's hitting them
Speaker 6: book and now it's hitting your eyebo.
Speaker 2: Like the dark background with the light white light right
Speaker 2: is exactly like that's that mode or whatever.
Speaker 6: You definitely want nightmode if you're using like one of
Speaker 6: those fancy tablets e readers as opposed to like the kindle.
Speaker 2: You know, where are you on melatonin?
Speaker 6: I So I think we're using too much melotone? So
Speaker 6: the effective dose is like this zero point three zero
Speaker 6: point five literally and people are dropping like twenty milligrams
Speaker 6: a night, and you know it's okay. There you get
Speaker 6: to a plateau point where it's just not as effective.
Speaker 6: So what melatonin does for us is it says it's nighttime,
Speaker 6: and that's all it does. It doesn't say I'm going
Speaker 6: to keep you asleep or anything like that. It just
Speaker 6: sets your clock and says it's nighttime. Great for like
Speaker 6: if you've been working nights or if your sleep's been
Speaker 6: off a little bit, just to use sparingly every now
Speaker 6: and then. Now I use melotone in kind of a
Speaker 6: combination with a couple other things a couple of times,
Speaker 6: maybe one or two times a week, but it's usually
Speaker 6: when I'm flipping or I haven't had a good sleep
Speaker 6: and my body's just thrown off for a wheit.
Speaker 4: It's fine.
Speaker 2: I'm more frequent than that. I probably should back it up,
Speaker 2: but I but again, I've noticed so I take like
Speaker 2: it's like a three milligram trouble that was too much
Speaker 2: for me. I would I like take a third of that? Yeah?
Speaker 2: And where'd you feel it was too much? What time
Speaker 2: of the day? Like I don't know, Like I didn't
Speaker 2: want to wake up, Like I don't feel rested, Like
Speaker 2: maybe it's too much of this stuff. Yeah.
Speaker 6: I so I've about a twelve hour period that I
Speaker 6: have to give myself where I'm going to be awake again. Yeah,
Speaker 6: because I'm going to be groggy as hell if I
Speaker 6: take something even one and a half milligrams, I'm going
Speaker 6: to be groggy afterwards. So you kind of want to
Speaker 6: take it a little bit earlier. Now the packaging will
Speaker 6: say twenty to thirty minutes before you sleep. I give
Speaker 6: myself a little more time if I'm only going to
Speaker 6: be sleeping eight hours.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, now you really want to sleep? You know
Speaker 2: some some Nike will four or five of those talamol
Speaker 2: pms and a half a like a fifth of Jim Beaman.
Speaker 2: You're good. You sleep like not doctor baby, like a baby.
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Speaker 2: It's great to talk to you. I the I love
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Speaker 2: kind of stuff there. Yeah, I appreciate the timesloan.
Speaker 6: It's just it is all one to me, and it
Speaker 6: all kind of feeds into each other back and forth.
Speaker 6: You know, having a better life while you're awake will
Speaker 6: make you sleep better versus. Yeah, so it's all health.
Speaker 2: To me, all right. Goodness, So whether that's not the
Speaker 2: regular I think anyway, Doctor Sanjay, thanks again. We got
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Speaker 1: You want to be an.
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Speaker 2: hundred WUWT. Somebody asked the question, I don't know who
Speaker 2: it was. Why has the price of hospital services gone
Speaker 2: up two hundred and twenty percent? I said two hundred
Speaker 2: and twenty percent since two thousand and that is roughly
Speaker 2: what four times faster than inflation. There's a group called
Speaker 2: Hospital Facts at Org. They launched an initiative to figure
Speaker 2: out why. And they think it's waste, its fraud, its
Speaker 2: abuse at at hospital. Jerry Rogers is here. Jerry's with
Speaker 2: a Real Clear Health, part of the Real Clear system. Jerry,
Speaker 2: welcome to the show. How are you.
Speaker 4: I I'm blessed, I'm good.
Speaker 7: You know, it's it's not just waste, fraud and abuse
Speaker 7: with the hospitals. It's it's bad policy, it's bad business,
Speaker 7: it's ban health. It's at science because hospitals aren't part
Speaker 7: of the discussion. In terms of the healthcare system. We
Speaker 7: hear much about big big band pharmo. We hear about
Speaker 7: the insurance companies and all the rest of it, but
Speaker 7: the hospital costs are breaking the budget. Americans spend well
Speaker 7: over a trillion dollars on hospital costs and the reasons
Speaker 7: besides the fact that no one ever discusses them in
Speaker 7: terms of Medicaid cuts, the healthcare systems, all the rest.
Speaker 7: But it's also because of hospital consolidation, because there's no
Speaker 7: transparency in pricing, the list of pricing when you go
Speaker 7: imagine going to the grocery store and nothing, no price
Speaker 7: is listed.
Speaker 4: This is what we have in our hospital system.
Speaker 7: And of course also you know, we have this it's
Speaker 7: called site neutral payment reform, which would fix the fact
Speaker 7: that if you go to a hospital for a Medicare.
Speaker 4: Procedure, get a shot.
Speaker 7: Whatever it might be, costs more in the hospital than
Speaker 7: it does the doctor's office because hospitals are fee for service,
Speaker 7: so it's in their best economic interest to uh just
Speaker 7: make the charges skyrocket for individual tests and therapies.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think that's a good point because in the past
Speaker 2: I've talked about, you know, pharmaceutical companies which certainly deserve
Speaker 2: to get their investment back on R and D, and
Speaker 2: I have you know, I look at big pharma pharmaceutical companies, go,
Speaker 2: I get how the model is because they invest in
Speaker 2: a tremendous amount of stuff ahead of before they can
Speaker 2: start to take a profit off, and not not every
Speaker 2: drug is profitable.
Speaker 4: I understand that three billion dollars. It's three billion dollars.
Speaker 7: Everyone thinks about the blockbuster of blockbusters, blockbuster drugs. But
Speaker 7: the tact of the matter is is that most big
Speaker 7: medicines fail and so you know, and it's a it's
Speaker 7: a it's a fracture.
Speaker 4: Of the healthcare dollars.
Speaker 7: The major costs in our healthcare system are hospitals, not medicines. Fact,
Speaker 7: medicines keep us out of the hospital.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that makes sense. The pharmacy benefit manager's got an
Speaker 2: issue with them and insurance companies, but no one really
Speaker 2: talks about, as you mentioned though, the hospitals themselves. When
Speaker 2: you talk about hospital services, is that beyond or including
Speaker 2: the actual physical treatment you get from a practitioner.
Speaker 7: Well, here's the thing in terms of I mean, yes,
Speaker 7: so God forbid, you have to be in the hospital,
Speaker 7: and once you're there, they want to load you up
Speaker 7: with various tests, whether you need.
Speaker 4: Them or not.
Speaker 7: Now, listen, if there was a menu of prices. Hey, sir, ma'am,
Speaker 7: you're in the hospital, we might as well check for this. Okay,
Speaker 7: what does it cost? No one can answer that question,
Speaker 7: the technicians, the nurses, and there's practitions, the doctors, the
Speaker 7: folks coming in and out. Even the business the business
Speaker 7: associates of hospitals that you know, have you sign the paperwork,
Speaker 7: can't tell you what things cost. So I'm not saying
Speaker 7: that tests or therapies or items of the hospital does
Speaker 7: us for you while you're there are bad. No, but
Speaker 7: we don't know what they cost. And again, we could
Speaker 7: fix this. Yet Washington is very good at not fixing problems.
Speaker 7: They complain, they cry, they whine, but this is a
Speaker 7: pretty easy fix. And you know, again, demand and enforce
Speaker 7: price transparency. In other words, when I'm at the hospital,
Speaker 7: I know what things cost. Second is we should allow
Speaker 7: for a senior specifically, or any patient to go to
Speaker 7: their doctor's office for certain tests or interventions because it
Speaker 7: costs less. So this is why you see the hospital
Speaker 7: consolidation because they want to charge more. Medicare ironically will
Speaker 7: charge more or allow for a higher payment for a
Speaker 7: test done in the hospital. So our hospital is doing
Speaker 7: they're going around and they are buying up medical practices.
Speaker 4: So therefore, when you go to.
Speaker 7: Your doctor, you're really at the hospital and you're paying
Speaker 7: the hospital.
Speaker 2: As a network. So you see all these physicians groups
Speaker 2: that pop up and it's by ex hospital. Well, that's
Speaker 2: exactly why it's because it's more money for them and
Speaker 2: consolidation all that. I don't know if it leads to
Speaker 2: better health outcomes, but based on the metrics that we
Speaker 2: have now, Jerry Rodgers, the answer would be no, We're
Speaker 2: getting sicker despite spending more and more on healthcare costs
Speaker 2: in the United States of America and on that too.
Speaker 2: Could I just back up a second, Go all right,
Speaker 2: at first plus you go on, okay, to what two
Speaker 2: hundred and twenty percent cost increase is two thousand for
Speaker 2: healthcare or I guess hospital services anyway goes up two
Speaker 2: hundred twenty percent, four times faster than inflesh.
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 2: Could I blame that on COVID? And then the increased
Speaker 2: labor costs in the shrinking job market, so you've got
Speaker 2: to pay labor more to get people. And then of
Speaker 2: course baby boomers getting old or ancient in some cases.
Speaker 2: Doesn't that all add up to so why.
Speaker 4: Well, yes and no.
Speaker 7: Right, COVID put a strain on the system, but again
Speaker 7: because you made bad political choices in it. During COVID,
Speaker 7: we actually drove medical practices into bankruptcy during COVID, we
Speaker 7: closed them down. We did it more difficult for nurses
Speaker 7: and physicians and technicians to serve during COVID because we.
Speaker 4: Had vaccine mandates.
Speaker 7: During COVID, when we followed the science, things went well.
Speaker 7: When we followed the politics, everything went sideways. And so, yeah,
Speaker 7: you're right, there's after effects of COVID, but those were
Speaker 7: political choices, not not health choices.
Speaker 4: Number one. But remember this too.
Speaker 7: We have a shrinking position base because it's more it's
Speaker 7: impossible to become a doctor in this country, the costs,
Speaker 7: the liability, and also we're importing jobs for physicians and
Speaker 7: nurses when we should be looking for homegrown talent. We're
Speaker 7: not doing that. But here's here's the kicker.
Speaker 4: Though.
Speaker 7: It's not just we're we have too few doctors or nurses.
Speaker 7: The fact is that we have too many administrators, too
Speaker 7: many executives.
Speaker 4: I'll give you an example.
Speaker 7: The Cleveland Clinic pays a million and a nonprofit hospital,
Speaker 7: but Cleveland clinic pays a million dollars to twenty two executives.
Speaker 7: In the same system the Cleveland clinic, thirty individuals, executives
Speaker 7: administrators get five hundred thousand dollars a piece. These are
Speaker 7: huge salaries. This is not money going to your health,
Speaker 7: not money going to doctors. Are more nurses, money going
Speaker 7: to essentially pencil pushers. And that's part of the problem too.
Speaker 2: Jerry Rogers here from real clear health and cost of
Speaker 2: hospital services has gone U two hundred and twenty percent
Speaker 2: since two thousand, about four times Fastian inflation. And it's
Speaker 2: fair to look at that and go why when it's
Speaker 2: put in the context of well pharmaceutical companies gouging us
Speaker 2: with pharmacy benefit managers insurance costs. But the hospitals themselves
Speaker 2: are making some money here. Yet at the same time, though,
Speaker 2: and here's the paradox, we have so many rural and
Speaker 2: other hospitals closing right now. How do we explain that.
Speaker 7: Well, again, it's because of three forty B you mentioned PBM,
Speaker 7: So three forty B pricing is a mechanism for rural areas,
Speaker 7: rural hospitals, the very poor, the folks who need care.
Speaker 7: There's a there's a rebate or a discount that hospitals
Speaker 7: are given. But what's happening instead is because of consolidation,
Speaker 7: hospital systems are purchasing rural hospitals. They're getting the three
Speaker 7: forty B benefit, and they're not using it to service
Speaker 7: the poor.
Speaker 4: Or the rural community.
Speaker 7: Rather, they're using it to attract other consumers, not you know,
Speaker 7: they look at patients as consumers. And what's happening because
Speaker 7: the very poor communities aren't being served, the facilities aren't
Speaker 7: being served, the facilities closed. So and you mentioned PVMs,
Speaker 7: the pharmacy benefit benefit managers, So your listeners understand these
Speaker 7: are middlemen who are profits servants who literally take profits
Speaker 7: I'm sorry, who take rebase and discounts away from patients
Speaker 7: and they keep them in pocket them themselves. Again, maybe
Speaker 7: thirty years ago we needed the PBM system, I have
Speaker 7: no idea.
Speaker 4: We certainly don't need it today.
Speaker 7: But part of the reason why rural hospitals are closing
Speaker 7: and seeing a massive problems is because of these middle men,
Speaker 7: because of three forty B abusion of the three forty
Speaker 7: B program. And there's lots of reasons. And again these
Speaker 7: are all physical right now, before Congress. There are reforms
Speaker 7: for both three forty B and the PBM crisis. Let's
Speaker 7: see what Congress does.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not old, b Yeah exactly. And we elect
Speaker 2: these clowns. Why why are we We're sending them there
Speaker 2: and they wind up doing this to us and then
Speaker 2: they scream like their hairs on fire. It seems like,
Speaker 2: you know, we got a real we did a new
Speaker 2: bunch of elected officials. It sounds like Jerry again.
Speaker 7: I know, throw throw, throw them out. But there are
Speaker 7: The problem again, is is that, well, we need to
Speaker 7: fix the whole system. No, I'm old enough to remember
Speaker 7: when Nuke Dindrich became Speaker of the House and he said, look,
Speaker 7: we're not going to reform everything all one.
Speaker 4: We have to get to hold over of bread. Let's
Speaker 4: get slice here, sliced there.
Speaker 7: And I think the same is true on healthcare costs,
Speaker 7: on hospital costs, and that is we can do, we
Speaker 7: can do. We can do slices of reform, for instance,
Speaker 7: price transparency. Have hospitals lift and be transparent about their prices.
Speaker 2: How thought we heard that? Didn't we didn't? Didn't they say, oh, yeah,
Speaker 2: we've got choice. Well, we enacted a law and a
Speaker 2: role that we don't enforce.
Speaker 7: Thank you very much. And imagine if we enforce the
Speaker 7: reforms already.
Speaker 4: But that's a.
Speaker 7: Choice, right, I mean, accountability, responsibility, These are choices, and
Speaker 7: perhaps the laws doesn't have the proper teeth, or there
Speaker 7: is enough conversation about it. Look how many people today
Speaker 7: waking up. There's so much going on in the world,
Speaker 7: you know this, right, the world's on fire, and so
Speaker 7: we don't care about hospital costs or you can healthcare
Speaker 7: costs until we live the doctor, and so it's not
Speaker 7: a sustained conversation. This is the problem with the twenty
Speaker 7: first seven news cycle. We're always going to the next bit, oh,
Speaker 7: to the next big news story, and the problems that
Speaker 7: impact us every single day we forget about until it
Speaker 7: becomes an urgent matter. So we need to focus on
Speaker 7: the importance, so the important never becomes the urgent. Once
Speaker 7: it's urgent, then it's like, oh my goodness, what do
Speaker 7: we do? And we quit and we and we just
Speaker 7: got talking about it, and we just we just you
Speaker 7: know what, I'll just pay the pay the bill. Well,
Speaker 7: it shouldn't have to be that way.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we can only remember three things at a time.
Speaker 2: Maybe two as we get older, and one if you're lucky.
Speaker 4: So in my cage that half a thing. I know
Speaker 4: that I joke with my kids, you know, what's the diet?
Speaker 4: What's the diet? Sandwich is the half of you know,
Speaker 4: I can remember half a thing.
Speaker 7: But you know what I do think we have to
Speaker 7: have a focused, sustained conversation here. And looks a lot
Speaker 7: of healthcare reforms happening on a state level, and so
Speaker 7: folks and your your listeners should be talking to their
Speaker 7: state legislators because you put pressure on them to have
Speaker 7: reforms in the states. Remember, uh, you know, federalism, states
Speaker 7: can do things that prove would be a model for
Speaker 7: what Washington count do. I would encourage your listeners to
Speaker 7: go out and contact your state legislators. Get involved, whether
Speaker 7: it's healthcare issues or or or if it's policing, or
Speaker 7: it's criminal justice or whatever it might be. Go and
Speaker 7: pressure your state legislators to do the right thing. Because
Speaker 7: I used to work for a state rep in New
Speaker 7: Jersey years ago, and I'm telling you, every single day
Speaker 7: dozens of constituents would drop in and we listened to them.
Speaker 7: We had to. They were they were, they were present
Speaker 7: and These were good conversations that moved my boss to
Speaker 7: do things in the state capitol so there we could
Speaker 7: get good outcomes. You know, people, an old friend of mine,
Speaker 7: my mentor at the Competive Enterprises, Tode Fred Smith, used
Speaker 7: to say that people in politics are stupid because they're smart.
Speaker 7: In other words, they're paying attention to They're paying attention
Speaker 7: to the to the things that matter most of them, Uh,
Speaker 7: their tuitions, their their kids, baseball practice, you know, putting
Speaker 7: dinner on the table.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 7: And they don't think about the larger political things until
Speaker 7: unfortunately it's too late. I would just get encouraged folks
Speaker 7: to pay attention to these political things. But it does
Speaker 7: matter to your personal life.
Speaker 2: It really does. And that's the thing. It's not the
Speaker 2: party politics. And I've got to be on one side
Speaker 2: or the other. And even if my guy or girl
Speaker 2: does something stupid, I can never call them out. No,
Speaker 2: we were supposed to do that. We've got to distrust
Speaker 2: government more, especially the at the more federal levels of that.
Speaker 2: And on that point too. You know you brought something earlier, Jerry,
Speaker 2: about hospitals or hospitalists anyway, or doctors and ordering all
Speaker 2: these tests and driving the constant. But that's also part
Speaker 2: of the problem, right, It's because you have hospital administrators,
Speaker 2: you have lawyers that they have that they're afraid of.
Speaker 2: You had the federal and state governments all looking over
Speaker 2: your shoulder before you even treat a patient, And so
Speaker 2: why wouldn't you order a whole bunch of tests it
Speaker 2: may or may not be needed, simply to cover your own.
Speaker 4: Ass, exactly right.
Speaker 7: And what makes that problem worse, if that's possible, is
Speaker 7: that insurance companies pay a fee for service. So there's
Speaker 7: there is a liability, legal, regulatory pressure to test test,
Speaker 7: but there's also a fantial incentive to test. Test test.
Speaker 7: But here's the thing. You know, you know, informed voters
Speaker 7: make good choices. Informed patients can make good choices. So
Speaker 7: you know, if I understood, you're giving me this pill,
Speaker 7: you're giving.
Speaker 4: Me this shot.
Speaker 7: You want to do an echo cardiogram even though I'm
Speaker 7: even though I'm here for my foot, explain to me the.
Speaker 4: Costs, because maybe if the cost is.
Speaker 7: Right, I might get the echo cardiogram because I won't
Speaker 7: be back at the hospital anytime soon.
Speaker 4: So there's a problem to figure it out.
Speaker 7: Well, you can't give the consumer, the patient uh, the
Speaker 7: menu with the private Again, imagine going to a restaurant
Speaker 7: and sitting down to eat dinner with your family and
Speaker 7: the waiter says, what do you want?
Speaker 4: But there's no prices to the to the menu items.
Speaker 4: I walk out of that restaurant.
Speaker 7: But with hospitals, unfortunately, because we're sick, we're almost captured.
Speaker 4: I was in a hot I had a help.
Speaker 2: Make your leg, Or you have cancer and aggressive, what
Speaker 2: do you do your shop around? You could take six
Speaker 2: months to get the best price going on price line
Speaker 2: or you know consumer reports. What are we doing here?
Speaker 5: But right?
Speaker 7: But that's again an excellent, excellent point. But the thing is,
Speaker 7: once hospitals UH are held accountable for prices and this
Speaker 7: price transparency, You're right, when I'm sick in the emergency room,
Speaker 7: I can't shop around. But if the but if the
Speaker 7: ethos is created that hospitals are posting, then when I
Speaker 7: when I do go in for something elective, when I
Speaker 7: do go, UH bring my have you know my kid
Speaker 7: needs stitches and there are three hospitals within driving distance,
Speaker 7: I can then make choices and that will UH discipline
Speaker 7: the entire system because competition will be introduced. Imagine price
Speaker 7: competition again.
Speaker 4: I get it.
Speaker 7: Emergency room, but even emergency room cost prices will come
Speaker 7: down if hospitals are forced to compete on prices.
Speaker 2: Makes sense. He's Jerry Rogers. Jerry h is with real
Speaker 2: clear health and talking about why hospital services, just hospital
Speaker 2: calls have gone up over two hundred and twenty percent
Speaker 2: in the last twenty twenty five years, four times faster
Speaker 2: than inflation. We talk about pharmacy benefit managers, big farm
Speaker 2: insurance companies, but we got a factor of this and
Speaker 2: as well. Jerry, all the best, Thanks for jumping in.
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Speaker 2: I'm trying to go. They have the bring your dog
Speaker 2: to work. How much work actually gets done?
Speaker 1: Actually, everybody.
Speaker 2: A lot of work.
Speaker 1: Well in bandit.
Speaker 8: If the garbage cans aren't put on desks, he's going
Speaker 8: to rummage through them to find it, to see if
Speaker 8: there's any crumb available.
Speaker 2: Got you, because he's a wee fat bastard.
Speaker 1: He's a good boy. Have we started? Are we on
Speaker 1: the air?
Speaker 2: Well, I'm just sitting here waiting for you to get
Speaker 2: your act together. You got dogs, you got I don't
Speaker 2: know what's going on over there, but this is live radio.
Speaker 2: So yeah, three two, Yeah. My wife Michelle Sloan in
Speaker 2: case you haven't notices here with with Bandit, who, by
Speaker 2: the way, is our our lovely dog. That is a distraction. Nonetheless,
Speaker 2: what are we talking about besides dogs dog dog problems?
Speaker 8: Well, we're talking about changes in the weather. You know,
Speaker 8: something happened last night when you were snoring? Yeah, do
Speaker 8: you know what it was? You were snoring louder? No, okay, no,
Speaker 8: the heat turns on.
Speaker 2: Oh you know what. I woke up, so yeah, we
Speaker 2: knew her house, so I woke up and I smelt
Speaker 2: something burning, Like immediately your radar goes off, like oh,
Speaker 2: and then my you know, my, my construction brain kicked
Speaker 2: and went. But the heat kicked on. It's the dust
Speaker 2: gets on the essentially the dust of collects in yeah yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: the heat exchanger, and once it kicks on for the season,
Speaker 2: it burns off. So what you're smelling is basically just
Speaker 2: dead skin and dust mites and all that nasty stuff,
Speaker 2: and it burns up. So you're smelling that. But in
Speaker 2: the middle of the night when it kicks on, you're like, crap,
Speaker 2: what the I'm waiting for the smoke detectors to go off,
Speaker 2: and you know, I was on alert for a second
Speaker 2: and I realized, oh, yeah, it's kicking on because the
Speaker 2: cross warning, and I went back to sleep.
Speaker 1: Oh I know, I can't believe.
Speaker 8: So this was that was the first heat turned on
Speaker 8: because you had it on, you had the you had
Speaker 8: our thermostat set to both.
Speaker 1: Cool and heat.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it turned that on auto. This time of year,
Speaker 2: you never know in Cincinnati what you're going to get.
Speaker 8: Right, So that way, if it gets above a certain temperature,
Speaker 8: the air will come on. If it gets below a
Speaker 8: certain temperature, the heat will come on. So we don't
Speaker 8: know what it will be from hour to hour.
Speaker 1: We could have heat overnight.
Speaker 2: In the exactly I don't know. You don't know because
Speaker 2: it's Cincinnati. I will say this now this time of year,
Speaker 2: you don't have to do this, but I like to
Speaker 2: set the fan on on in the winter to kind
Speaker 2: of bounced out because you have some cold spots maybe
Speaker 2: and it'll you know, circulate the heat a little bit
Speaker 2: better throughout the whole house.
Speaker 1: Okay, so on you like that?
Speaker 2: On? Who doesn't like it?
Speaker 4: On?
Speaker 2: On and on? But you know, I mean you could
Speaker 2: set it on auto. I supposed to if you want.
Speaker 2: It depends on you know how old your windows are,
Speaker 2: how draft your walls are.
Speaker 8: I mean, there's a lot of considerations exactly, And now's
Speaker 8: also a good time if you want to get a
Speaker 8: new thermostat. Honestly, sometimes if the thermostat isn't working, We've
Speaker 8: noticed this with our rentals and that sort of thing.
Speaker 8: The whole system gets wonky if that thermostatus has gone bad.
Speaker 2: Yep, yeah, yeah. We got a thermostat that like it
Speaker 2: was like a carrier furnace or something, and they don't
Speaker 2: support it anymore. So I actually ordered a smart the
Speaker 2: thermostat to put in. And I'm in the process of,
Speaker 2: as you know, moving a new place, Like okay, well
Speaker 2: you got to change your locks and stuff, so I
Speaker 2: kind of did I want the smart route on our house,
Speaker 2: and having some integrated locks and things like that just
Speaker 2: make it easier because we tend to sometimes be forgetful
Speaker 2: about locking doors and such. And you can look at
Speaker 2: it going, oh yeah, the doors like garage doors down
Speaker 2: that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1: That's just an age thing.
Speaker 8: But programmable thermostats can also be very energy efficient, which
Speaker 8: I feel like is something that we all need because
Speaker 8: the cost of everything is through the roof. So there
Speaker 8: was another change that happened in our life. You actually
Speaker 8: have graduated from the scooter to a real shoe.
Speaker 2: I yeah, we saw my doctor, my pediatrist, doctor Samantha
Speaker 2: Baker at christ who's wonderful. Their staff is amazing.
Speaker 1: That a good sense of humor, too, up with your crap.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I did it in like less than six weeks,
Speaker 2: which I think is pretty good. Went from the surgery
Speaker 2: to being able to walk around limp around a little bit.
Speaker 2: It's weird because my caf is like a little sore,
Speaker 2: but man, not having crutches. I talked about crutches the
Speaker 2: other day, Michelle that with all the medical inventions we have,
Speaker 2: I mean, you could take a pig valve and put
Speaker 2: it in someone's heart, and we have all these ais
Speaker 2: running your body, and you've got this thing right, all
Speaker 2: this huge technology, the drugs, the pharmaceuticals, R and D.
Speaker 2: It's incredible, and yet we are still walking around with
Speaker 2: the device it was. I mean it goes back to
Speaker 2: before the Civil War, the crutches. That it is the
Speaker 2: worst invention ever. They tear up your forearms, your arm
Speaker 2: pitt or sore. You think we'd come up with anything better.
Speaker 2: That's my point is you think someone would be on
Speaker 2: top of that though, and there's isn't there a better crutch,
Speaker 2: a better way to design a crutch? I mean, okay,
Speaker 2: I have the knee scoot. You put your good knee
Speaker 2: on it or your bad knee on it, I guess,
Speaker 2: and rolled around. But that's kind of clunky. It's hard
Speaker 2: to get in another car. When I was dress started
Speaker 2: driving myself to work, I just take crutches because can't
Speaker 2: get it in and out. So, yeah, you think of something.
Speaker 2: I was like, there's there's gotta be something in the
Speaker 2: crutch realm that they're looking at, going we're going to
Speaker 2: come up with a new crutch, right, you know what?
Speaker 1: Maybe you should do that and then we can retire.
Speaker 8: Let's do a medical invention that has never been imagined
Speaker 8: to be for.
Speaker 1: I really would have.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know what it would that would look like, Like,
Speaker 2: I'm not sure. There's got to be some way to
Speaker 2: do that. A robotic type of foot thing. I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 8: I don't Outside of the reason why I talk about
Speaker 8: this change, so you're you're you're standing on two feet again,
Speaker 8: So that honeydew list baby is back.
Speaker 2: I know, wear ut my other foot.
Speaker 8: Now, no, we're not going to do that, but we
Speaker 8: you know, and it is that time of year when
Speaker 8: we get when it gets cold, we have to think about, okay,
Speaker 8: cold weather, getting our home prepped for the winter months.
Speaker 8: We don't want to hear about it, but we have to.
Speaker 8: You have to think about it. And now's the time.
Speaker 8: We talked a little bit about your HVAC system. Your
Speaker 8: HVAC the heating and cooling systems. So you're going to
Speaker 8: be there's really nothing to do right to turn off
Speaker 8: the AC or to winterize your AC unit.
Speaker 2: Is there No, Some people do put like I'll see
Speaker 2: people cover their outdoor unit. You don't want to do
Speaker 2: that because it traps chat traps moisture in there, which
Speaker 2: is bad for obviously you don't need to people. I've
Speaker 2: seen people do that before. So yeah, I got to
Speaker 2: put a tarp on top of my outdoor. You know
Speaker 2: the big fan, the big box that the condenser it's called.
Speaker 2: You want to leave that, leave that exposuing, like I said,
Speaker 2: you know in the winter. You know, you could set
Speaker 2: auto in the winter. A lot of people do that,
Speaker 2: but I said, leave it on. But I would have
Speaker 2: to qualify that by saying, if you have a whole
Speaker 2: house humidifier that works a little bit better. If you
Speaker 2: have immification system, you want to leave it on because
Speaker 2: you're humidifying the air, which is what you want, and
Speaker 2: it might reduce some cold spots and things like that.
Speaker 2: But typically most people just leave it to auto when
Speaker 2: they're fine.
Speaker 8: And the basic, basic, most basic thing that you can
Speaker 8: do is replace your furnace filter.
Speaker 2: Correct, you should be doing that. Checking that filter. You
Speaker 2: hold it up to like the light down in the basement,
Speaker 2: and if you can see through it it looks dirty.
Speaker 2: You're gonna replace it, that's all. If you can. If
Speaker 2: you can't see through it, you got real problems. You
Speaker 2: don't want that thing breaking down because it strains the
Speaker 2: motor and then in this expensive repair calum we're trying
Speaker 2: to save you money there, So don't do that.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, Okay.
Speaker 8: So the next thing I want to talk about, I
Speaker 8: want to go actually outside of your home because now
Speaker 8: we have the temperatures are nice enough during the day
Speaker 8: to do some outside work, so now's a perfect time
Speaker 8: to you know, clean up your yard and trim the
Speaker 8: trees and bushes around your house. You should never have
Speaker 8: vegetation touching your home, because it can lead to bugs
Speaker 8: coming in, animals coming in climb up the things. So
Speaker 8: you want at least a foot to two feet away
Speaker 8: from vegetation and your house. And so a lot of
Speaker 8: people they have their bushes and they're right up against
Speaker 8: the house. They're touching the house. They have trees with
Speaker 8: limbs that are overhanging onto your roof. When those big
Speaker 8: winds come like we had last week, we had some
Speaker 8: serious winds, and any of those branches that are a
Speaker 8: little bit brittle, they're going to fall on your roof.
Speaker 8: They could cause damage to your roof. So now is
Speaker 8: a perfect time if you have to hire somebody to
Speaker 8: help you make sure that the vegetation, any trees, shrubs, whatever,
Speaker 8: are at least I'm gonna say, at least two feet
Speaker 8: away from your home. The other thing is if you
Speaker 8: have that growing ivy that has gotten out of control
Speaker 8: and it is climbing up your the side of your house,
Speaker 8: and it is the one of the worst things. I've
Speaker 8: talked to people who are brick layers who if you're
Speaker 8: gonna if it's gonna be coming up siding, it's gonna
Speaker 8: go into and under the siding and into your walls
Speaker 8: and into your home. I've seen it crawl into gaps
Speaker 8: in people's windows, window wells.
Speaker 2: So I will destroy the brick.
Speaker 1: It will.
Speaker 8: It takes away the mortar, and it's it's bad.
Speaker 1: It's just bad.
Speaker 8: And when I see there's a couple of our new
Speaker 8: neighbors have ivy climbing up the front of their house actually,
Speaker 8: and some people think it looks really cool in old
Speaker 8: school and whatever. No, just say no to ivy. That's
Speaker 8: what that's my that's my tip for today. Well, eventually
Speaker 8: it's going to keep growing and grond. I wonder, does
Speaker 8: I've never seen it get to the point where gutters
Speaker 8: are I mean no, no, they've gone into attics before.
Speaker 8: I've seen actually, i've seen it crawl into attics. I've
Speaker 8: seen it actually crawl through walls, through cracks and walls
Speaker 8: and on some of the really older homes in Cincinnati,
Speaker 8: and I've seen it crawl through. And then it's then
Speaker 8: they leave these little suckers behind the little their little tentacles.
Speaker 1: And it's a mess. So now's a good time.
Speaker 8: You know, you're going to have to make sure that
Speaker 8: you're cutting it off at the base. But then you
Speaker 8: have to remove it. It may need some power washing.
Speaker 8: It's not an easy task to get rid of because
Speaker 8: it's pretty invasive. But it is so bad for your house.
Speaker 8: And so today's to my message today and I'm going
Speaker 8: to be talking about this on my podcast.
Speaker 1: Just say no to ivy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, people see like you know, old homes in the
Speaker 2: Northeast at Wrigley Field. But keep in mind, you know
Speaker 2: that that that ivy wall is it's by design. It
Speaker 2: takes a lot of people to maintain. They maintain that
Speaker 2: all the time. It's built for that house.
Speaker 1: Wall for the ivy.
Speaker 2: Ther house is venear brick, so it's a whole different yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and the English, the Boston ivy is terrible for your
Speaker 2: house too. And the other thing too is it also
Speaker 2: will trap moisture against sighting, so you're looking at mold
Speaker 2: and rot and things like that as well termites. That's
Speaker 2: the whole air for disaster. You don't want to do it.
Speaker 8: No, Yes, So there you go if you if you
Speaker 8: want to tune in for me, just you have you
Speaker 8: have a hot against green bean castro all I have
Speaker 8: one against ivy. I hate I hate the climbing ivy.
Speaker 2: You can cut it down and kill it and let
Speaker 2: it die and then kind of you know, fall and
Speaker 2: but the but the like the stickers remain behind the
Speaker 2: little suckers.
Speaker 8: Will remain for quite a while. And that's why. And
Speaker 8: it looks bad too, I.
Speaker 2: Mean it just know some people, you know, you look
Speaker 2: at it, go with ivy wall, that's kind of stately
Speaker 2: and stuff. But it's it's a lot worse then. You know,
Speaker 2: the offset of the aesthetic is far worse.
Speaker 8: So if it's a garden wall, you know, if you
Speaker 8: have a moat around your.
Speaker 2: House, well, now, if you really want to do it,
Speaker 2: you can attach a trellis and stand it off the
Speaker 2: side of the house.
Speaker 8: But again, is it going to be at least a
Speaker 8: foot away from the house, because it's gonna climb, and
Speaker 8: it's gonna climb across your trellis and it's going to
Speaker 8: climb into your home and it's gonna no, just just
Speaker 8: say no.
Speaker 2: Well, and they're like, well, why did that even start
Speaker 2: in the first place. I didn't look at the history
Speaker 2: of it, but I would guess it's because back in
Speaker 2: the day people were also lazy.
Speaker 9: It's as well, absolutely well, if you put ivy in
Speaker 9: your in your landscaping beds and it looks cool because
Speaker 9: it's just it climbs.
Speaker 8: It grows, and it spreads and it's not too tall.
Speaker 2: You're also spending We spent five minutes talking about something
Speaker 2: that maybe seven people have. So that's about IV anymore.
Speaker 2: Do you see that much?
Speaker 1: I see it.
Speaker 2: I'm telling you, okay, in your dreams, you see it? Anyway?
Speaker 2: What else you got? Cold weather home maintenance? Get rid
Speaker 2: of it. By the way, let me remind you at
Speaker 2: some other point, because it's still I mean, it's still
Speaker 2: very early. Make sure you take off the faucets on
Speaker 2: the outside of your house. If you've got a hose
Speaker 2: attached to outdoor faucet, the hose bib, you got to
Speaker 2: take that off. Even if it's a frost free silcock.
Speaker 2: You got to unscrew that, take the hose off, and
Speaker 2: then take the hose and put it like in the garage,
Speaker 2: or make sure you drain it all the way too,
Speaker 2: because you know, you drag that in the garage or
Speaker 2: you put it wherever. It's still got water and it's
Speaker 2: all nasty. So let the hoses drain out and then
Speaker 2: you know, put it down the driveway for a minute.
Speaker 2: Let's let gravity do its job well.
Speaker 8: And if you wait until it's frozen, it's harder to
Speaker 8: get that off.
Speaker 2: You say you're not gonna Well, what happens is even
Speaker 2: though frost So what happens that the freezes inside the
Speaker 2: hose itself and then because cold water ice expands, it
Speaker 2: pushes itself back up the line into the house. And
Speaker 2: you don't want that it creates that that the freeze
Speaker 2: it could wind up breaking a pipe on the inside
Speaker 2: of the house. So you know, even if you have
Speaker 2: a frost free one of these things most houses do,
Speaker 2: and you may not if you have an older house.
Speaker 2: You just got to be aware of that and make
Speaker 2: sure you know, take the hostes off. It's the best
Speaker 2: thing you can.
Speaker 8: Do, right exactly. Okay, how much time we have left?
Speaker 8: Because I do have like three or four more things.
Speaker 2: You talked about ivy way too long. So this is
Speaker 2: on you again. It's poor planning in your part. It's
Speaker 2: like you, you, but.
Speaker 1: I think it's pretty interesting.
Speaker 2: We got to get to the airport, Michelle ohing cawn,
Speaker 2: but I'm out of gas stops.
Speaker 1: That isn't anything to do with the house.
Speaker 2: Poor planning in your part. You spent way too much
Speaker 2: time talking about IVY.
Speaker 1: It's fine, it's fine.
Speaker 2: Get you get your carbon monoxide right, get your smoke detective.
Speaker 1: Windows and doors.
Speaker 2: When you save the time, we should save the carbon
Speaker 2: monoxide the smoke detectives for next week, when or when
Speaker 2: the time change happens, like a week or two.
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, probably we're out of time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because your dog. Your dog is probably crapping in
Speaker 2: the corner right now.
Speaker 1: Oh no, he scratched up the door at the office.
Speaker 2: Job.
Speaker 8: Here is something else you're gonna have to fix her.
Speaker 8: I'm just gonna have the rent here forever.
Speaker 2: Who fixes the stuff at your office? This guy? Great? Awesome?
Speaker 2: You can't control your doctor.
Speaker 1: All glad you're feeling better and you have two legs.
Speaker 2: Now now crawl you're asked to work. My wife, who
Speaker 2: I love dearly, is Michelle Sloansloan Salesholmes dot Com, Open
Speaker 2: the House Show and Remax Time in Mainville. You can
Speaker 2: catch the podcast for the iHeartRadio app and of course
Speaker 2: the show on the YouTube as well. There's fascinating guests
Speaker 2: and stuff too. She does hours and upon hours talking
Speaker 2: about IVY. All right, I gotta get going. I'll see
Speaker 2: you later. I love you. Gotta go, Gotta go because
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