WEBVTT - 10-23-25 Scott Sloan Show 0:00:00.080 --> 0:00:01.680 Don't want to be an American. 0:00:03.200 --> 0:00:05.720 Got a new angle on the violence downtown. So you 0:00:05.760 --> 0:00:08.200 go back to the brawl and lay chu lot. We 0:00:08.280 --> 0:00:11.480 had one person out of hundreds calling nine one one 0:00:11.720 --> 0:00:14.320 Fountain Square shootings. We just had again a little number 0:00:14.360 --> 0:00:16.160 of people calling nine one one inside of the business 0:00:16.160 --> 0:00:18.920 that was shot up, and it begs the question why. 0:00:19.640 --> 0:00:22.239 From the Brain Performance Center in Dallas, Lee Richardson is here. 0:00:22.320 --> 0:00:23.160 Welcome back to the show. 0:00:23.160 --> 0:00:25.800 How are you, good morning, Thanks for having me back. 0:00:25.840 --> 0:00:26.600 I'm doing well. 0:00:26.640 --> 0:00:28.320 Thank you. 0:00:28.320 --> 0:00:32.879 You've seen the video. It's been national international news and 0:00:32.920 --> 0:00:35.320 it's hard still kind of hard to watch too. And 0:00:35.520 --> 0:00:38.640 regardless of who said what and what transpired, the fact 0:00:38.680 --> 0:00:41.040 that only a couple of people, maybe one or two people, 0:00:41.440 --> 0:00:44.760 said hey, I better call the police is something I 0:00:44.800 --> 0:00:47.240 don't think we've ever seen. I mean, it's a newer trend, 0:00:47.280 --> 0:00:49.920 I suppose, but in our lifetimes, if you would have 0:00:49.920 --> 0:00:52.680 said maybe ten or fifteen years ago, maybe five years ago, 0:00:52.720 --> 0:00:54.760 that yeah, you'd have something like this and one personal 0:00:54.840 --> 0:00:56.760 call nine one one, which means in the future, I 0:00:56.800 --> 0:00:59.680 suppose maybe no one calls nine one. Maybe these things 0:00:59.680 --> 0:01:01.520 happen and then we never hear about it because no 0:01:01.560 --> 0:01:04.679 one thinks to call the police. The question for someone 0:01:04.720 --> 0:01:07.440 like yourself is why how much of that as social media. 0:01:07.240 --> 0:01:11.600 And COVID Well, I think that you know, anytime you've 0:01:11.640 --> 0:01:16.200 seen a really intense event that triggers adrenaline in their 0:01:16.240 --> 0:01:20.200 body and drenales, they start kicking out all that corsal 0:01:20.880 --> 0:01:25.280 and that gives you a psych physiological rush, and you 0:01:25.319 --> 0:01:29.160 get excited and you want to capture the moment. And 0:01:29.200 --> 0:01:33.120 I think many people, honestly social media plays into it 0:01:33.160 --> 0:01:37.360 because they think if they get the shocking footage, that's 0:01:37.400 --> 0:01:40.679 going to get them more likes, more shares, more comments 0:01:40.760 --> 0:01:44.000 on social media and the thought of being the one 0:01:44.040 --> 0:01:48.800 who got the video that activates the brand sopammine reward system. 0:01:49.080 --> 0:01:52.520 It's just like when you win at cambling. I think 0:01:52.600 --> 0:01:55.480 filming it can make you feel like you're doing something 0:01:56.080 --> 0:02:01.280 without risking any personal safety as well. I Diddeo Scott 0:02:01.760 --> 0:02:06.880 and I couldn't believe it appeared that people were cheering, 0:02:07.040 --> 0:02:10.920 almost cheering it on. You know, there was no space, 0:02:11.040 --> 0:02:16.400 everybody was crowding around and that certainly escalate the intensity 0:02:16.480 --> 0:02:20.760 of it. And people pull out a camera and cameras 0:02:20.800 --> 0:02:21.800 create an audience. 0:02:23.440 --> 0:02:25.720 Well, you maybe just think of this. Speaking of video. 0:02:26.280 --> 0:02:29.240 This summer on vacation, did a bucket list trip to Australia. 0:02:29.280 --> 0:02:31.720 It's beautiful. My wife wanted to do like a whale 0:02:31.720 --> 0:02:33.760 watching crew. So you get on this boat and you 0:02:33.800 --> 0:02:36.440 look for whales because whales go up and down the 0:02:37.120 --> 0:02:39.920 Aussie coast. It's called the Humpback Highway, and so this 0:02:39.960 --> 0:02:41.600 time of year especially get to see whales, which you 0:02:41.639 --> 0:02:43.280 want to do, like, all right, I'll go check some 0:02:43.320 --> 0:02:45.560 whales out, which sounds pretty good. And so we're on 0:02:45.560 --> 0:02:48.400 this bat and it's interesting because every single person for 0:02:48.480 --> 0:02:50.560 the entirety of the trip, as I look around, is 0:02:50.639 --> 0:02:52.920 recording every little thing, holding the phone up to their 0:02:52.960 --> 0:02:55.359 face and not actually looking at the whale. They're looking 0:02:55.440 --> 0:02:57.200 at through a monitor. And there are a couple of 0:02:57.240 --> 0:02:59.359 younger people who wanted nothing to do with well watching, 0:02:59.360 --> 0:03:01.440 who were dragged by their parents, as you typically have, 0:03:01.840 --> 0:03:04.919 and they were in the boat inside on their phones 0:03:04.960 --> 0:03:07.400 playing games in the middle of the ocean. So I 0:03:07.440 --> 0:03:09.120 look at that and go what And this is before 0:03:09.120 --> 0:03:11.720 all this happened too. I thought, it's very surreal that 0:03:11.800 --> 0:03:15.200 we experience life through a viewfinder, and I think, lee 0:03:15.520 --> 0:03:18.200 when you do that, it's not real if you're watching 0:03:18.280 --> 0:03:21.400 a device. So what you see on your your viewfinder, 0:03:21.440 --> 0:03:23.680 what you see on your camera or your phone is 0:03:23.760 --> 0:03:25.960 not real. It's a it's a show, it's streaming, it's 0:03:25.960 --> 0:03:28.359 a TV show. And so if you looked up in 0:03:28.400 --> 0:03:30.720 a Wow, this is really happening. It's a much different 0:03:30.720 --> 0:03:33.560 experience than looking through a little, you know, four inch 0:03:33.600 --> 0:03:34.600 by two inch you finder. 0:03:35.800 --> 0:03:38.040 I can make really good points. God, I mean when 0:03:38.120 --> 0:03:42.040 you're when you're in a spectator mindset and you're just 0:03:42.120 --> 0:03:46.120 watching something. If you were there and maybe you would 0:03:46.160 --> 0:03:49.120 have thought about being a help helper. No, you're just 0:03:49.200 --> 0:03:52.440 part of an audience, and that makes it much easier 0:03:52.640 --> 0:03:56.360 just to watch or filmed whatever it is, rather than 0:03:56.440 --> 0:03:57.200 act on it. 0:03:57.360 --> 0:03:59.320 That might explain why people are doing I think the 0:03:59.360 --> 0:04:02.080 other element too. Everyone wants to be Insta famous too 0:04:02.200 --> 0:04:04.960 and post these provocative videos. And the people who posted 0:04:05.120 --> 0:04:07.080 are the ones that caught on that we've all seen 0:04:07.120 --> 0:04:09.640 now are getting all sorts of clicks and views and 0:04:09.680 --> 0:04:12.480 subscribers maybe to their channel, even if that's nothing we're about. 0:04:13.240 --> 0:04:15.680 And so that also feeds this too as well. We're 0:04:15.680 --> 0:04:19.080 in the we're in the essentially the content creator phase. 0:04:19.160 --> 0:04:21.360 Everyone's a content creator. Now that's a problem. 0:04:22.240 --> 0:04:24.480 That is a problem, and you know we have to remember, 0:04:25.000 --> 0:04:27.640 especially at night, and when you add a little bit 0:04:27.640 --> 0:04:32.000 of alcohol, it makes us feel more anonymous. It we're 0:04:32.080 --> 0:04:37.159 with if we drop our inhidditions, and we also behave 0:04:37.240 --> 0:04:39.800 more impulsively and we lose empathy. 0:04:40.120 --> 0:04:42.760 Brain expert Lee Richardson on the Scotsland Show on seven 0:04:42.839 --> 0:04:46.080 hundred WLW, we had the brawl over the summer and 0:04:46.240 --> 0:04:49.200 one person out of hundreds called nine to one one. 0:04:49.279 --> 0:04:52.400 We saw, well police respond pretty quickly what happened and 0:04:52.440 --> 0:04:54.599 just happened on Fountain Square over the last couple of days, 0:04:54.640 --> 0:04:56.880 but again an another low level of nine one one 0:04:56.920 --> 0:05:00.000 calls because people are just rather recorded then do something 0:05:00.160 --> 0:05:03.360 about it. And it has to do with obviously being 0:05:03.360 --> 0:05:07.120 a content creator, but looking through your screen and not 0:05:07.200 --> 0:05:09.960 seeing things in real life, being a spectator and not 0:05:10.000 --> 0:05:12.960 someone who's engaged. How much do you think COVID has 0:05:13.040 --> 0:05:15.960 factor in this as well? Is this still like we're 0:05:15.960 --> 0:05:17.880 seeing more of the stuff because of COVID and how 0:05:17.880 --> 0:05:18.640 does that work if so? 0:05:19.600 --> 0:05:22.040 Well, I think we're still on the aftermath of COVID, 0:05:22.440 --> 0:05:25.560 and I think COVID left all of us with some 0:05:25.680 --> 0:05:31.039 emotional trauma and that impacts our judgment, particularly late at 0:05:31.120 --> 0:05:35.080 night with alcohol. But I think that we shut down 0:05:35.160 --> 0:05:39.040 during COVID, and for some people that has maybe become 0:05:39.080 --> 0:05:42.640 the default mode. They see something, it's intense, they're not 0:05:42.720 --> 0:05:46.920 sure how to overreact. Then they see everybody, you know, 0:05:47.040 --> 0:05:50.640 kind of encouraging it, and everybody pulls out their camera, 0:05:51.200 --> 0:05:54.359 so that becomes the social norm. Oh it's okay to 0:05:54.400 --> 0:05:57.440 film this, everybody else is. And I think that we 0:05:57.720 --> 0:06:01.359 just we go more into the free state after COVID 0:06:01.640 --> 0:06:02.560 than we did before. 0:06:02.720 --> 0:06:04.240 And of course now we have to talk about the 0:06:04.240 --> 0:06:07.560 algorithms that encourage us kind behavior to begin with, and 0:06:07.839 --> 0:06:10.599 how much worse is it going to get? You know, 0:06:10.800 --> 0:06:12.680 you want to think this has got to be bottomed, 0:06:12.680 --> 0:06:13.080 but it's not. 0:06:13.360 --> 0:06:15.440 Probably, no, it's not. 0:06:15.560 --> 0:06:18.360 I mean, if you look at loneliness, loneliness is and 0:06:18.440 --> 0:06:22.039 an all time high. And I think that that started 0:06:22.120 --> 0:06:25.680 with COVID. We were forced to isolate. We didn't go 0:06:25.720 --> 0:06:27.599 to school the same way, we didn't go to work, 0:06:27.640 --> 0:06:29.280 we didn't go to church, we didn't go to the 0:06:29.320 --> 0:06:32.160 gym the same way. And for a lot of people 0:06:32.200 --> 0:06:36.640 that had severe anxiety, it was very comforting but that 0:06:36.800 --> 0:06:39.239 I think for many people, that just pushed them deeper 0:06:39.360 --> 0:06:44.440 into their anxiety, and we've got to start to connect 0:06:45.200 --> 0:06:48.560 everybody wanted. I think resilient is the foundation that we 0:06:48.680 --> 0:06:52.159 all stand on. But that doesn't just mean cognitively that 0:06:52.240 --> 0:06:57.800 your brains biken. Emotionally you're you're able to control your 0:06:57.880 --> 0:07:02.279 emotions and socially you feel connected. And I think that's 0:07:02.320 --> 0:07:05.280 one thing that we're all we haven't really built back up. 0:07:05.320 --> 0:07:06.360 It's our resilience. 0:07:06.560 --> 0:07:08.320 How do you see this thing shaken out? I mean, 0:07:08.400 --> 0:07:10.480 it's part of our culture, it's part of our fabric. 0:07:10.520 --> 0:07:13.400 It's not going away. Do we just simply adapt? Do 0:07:13.480 --> 0:07:15.040 we learn to we be able to back off and 0:07:15.160 --> 0:07:19.240 understand that what the negative consequences of this lifestylence? 0:07:19.320 --> 0:07:23.040 Well, you know it's really complex. Holly that took the 0:07:23.080 --> 0:07:26.160 big punch in the face, someone started to go fundme 0:07:26.240 --> 0:07:32.360 page for her, So we see an extreme of non 0:07:32.440 --> 0:07:35.720 caring and then at the same time we see people 0:07:35.800 --> 0:07:39.280 do care. So I think that it all ties into 0:07:39.400 --> 0:07:43.440 emotional balance and that we're still in that aftermath coming 0:07:43.440 --> 0:07:47.320 out of COVID how to connect, how to react, and 0:07:47.360 --> 0:07:51.160 we're still riding the roller coaster that fights flight freeze, 0:07:51.600 --> 0:07:56.360 and I think until we can create more stabilization. And 0:07:56.400 --> 0:08:00.320 that's mentally as well as physically. It's one unit brain 0:08:00.360 --> 0:08:03.560 in the body. It's one ning. The body keeps score 0:08:03.600 --> 0:08:06.520 of everything going on the brain with the Once we 0:08:06.560 --> 0:08:09.240 can calm that brain down and we can all do that, 0:08:09.480 --> 0:08:12.560 we can work on that on our own. There's no meditation. 0:08:13.560 --> 0:08:17.040 Breathing and making sure you get a good night sleep, 0:08:17.640 --> 0:08:23.520 exercising the basics, eating healthy foods. I've heard a term 0:08:23.680 --> 0:08:28.080 the neuroprotective diet. What you eat can protect your brain. 0:08:29.840 --> 0:08:32.400 You know, we've also heard you mentioned meditation, all these 0:08:32.400 --> 0:08:34.600 things which are much harder to do because you know 0:08:34.640 --> 0:08:37.840 your dopamine receipponers are going nuts. Anytime you look at 0:08:37.880 --> 0:08:40.280 something online, you're being fed a steady dyet of that stuff, 0:08:40.320 --> 0:08:42.720 and you know it all sounds well and good. You 0:08:42.760 --> 0:08:45.080 have to be very very proactive and saying, hey, listen, 0:08:45.160 --> 0:08:48.480 I've got to balance out my digital lifestyle with real life. 0:08:49.000 --> 0:08:50.800 Very very few people are going to do that simply 0:08:50.800 --> 0:08:53.280 because you're not being rewarded as much as you are 0:08:53.880 --> 0:08:56.079 when the algorithms do what they do and you're getting 0:08:56.080 --> 0:08:57.480 that neural response. 0:08:58.240 --> 0:09:02.800 Absolutely and osttle neuron gendrit thin get really confused. You know, 0:09:02.840 --> 0:09:06.559 that brain starts kicking out that dopamine, and that confuses 0:09:06.600 --> 0:09:09.480 those neurons and gendrits. Instead of you know, I like this, 0:09:10.360 --> 0:09:15.280 it turns into I want this, and then it turns 0:09:15.320 --> 0:09:17.440 into I need this. 0:09:19.480 --> 0:09:23.360 It's interesting, I think also because you wonder how much 0:09:23.520 --> 0:09:26.760 it's a cyclical behavior, is that we watch what happened, 0:09:26.880 --> 0:09:29.400 people are all recording. No one's calling nine one one 0:09:29.480 --> 0:09:32.719 because they become spectators. It's become everything's a show. Now 0:09:32.760 --> 0:09:35.319 everything is going meant to be put online, and it's 0:09:35.360 --> 0:09:37.800 a performance in front of me. Despite the fact that 0:09:37.840 --> 0:09:40.440 we've lost any sense of empathy, that we saw people 0:09:40.559 --> 0:09:43.800 kicking folks when they're down, people normally don't act like that. 0:09:43.880 --> 0:09:45.760 And I wonder how many people who are caught up 0:09:45.760 --> 0:09:47.280 in this and who are going to be charged and 0:09:47.360 --> 0:09:51.040 prosecuted and sentenced may have regret for the actions, but 0:09:51.080 --> 0:09:52.640 look back and go, what the hell was I thinking? 0:09:52.679 --> 0:09:55.640 I got swept up in a moment in the zeitgeist, 0:09:55.679 --> 0:09:57.600 and now I'm paying a heavy prices. Well you should 0:09:57.600 --> 0:09:59.760 for that kind of behavior. I don't think that's going 0:09:59.800 --> 0:10:02.120 to cause anyone else to be interested back to go. 0:10:02.200 --> 0:10:02.400 Man. 0:10:02.480 --> 0:10:04.720 Maybe you know what I maybe it's social media. Maybe 0:10:04.720 --> 0:10:07.640 I need to quit recording everything and just live more life, 0:10:08.000 --> 0:10:11.200 life as it's meant to be, and not document every 0:10:11.200 --> 0:10:14.079 little mundane moment in life and live life in the moment. 0:10:14.160 --> 0:10:16.760 But very few people are going to think like that. 0:10:16.920 --> 0:10:19.040 I think that this has just encouraged more behavior. And 0:10:19.480 --> 0:10:22.960 that's what happens, right is that doesn't this lead to 0:10:23.080 --> 0:10:27.560 more impulsivity and normally public behaviors because you're hiding behind 0:10:27.600 --> 0:10:29.960 that screen name where you'll go and attack people. You'll 0:10:29.960 --> 0:10:32.520 get that dopamine spike and you'll have this heated argument 0:10:32.600 --> 0:10:35.080 online or attack or dock somebody and it makes you 0:10:35.120 --> 0:10:37.040 feel good, but you don't think that's a real person. 0:10:38.640 --> 0:10:41.000 Well, yeah, I think you make a good point. This 0:10:41.080 --> 0:10:44.800 has become a social norm there. Everybody pulls out their 0:10:44.840 --> 0:10:49.360 phone and if they're like taking selfies or are they're 0:10:49.920 --> 0:10:52.800 looking for something to see them. They're looking for something 0:10:52.840 --> 0:10:56.680 to catch. Everybody's watching and recording. So if everybody else 0:10:56.800 --> 0:11:00.440 is doing it, the actually doing it too. Once you 0:11:00.520 --> 0:11:03.760 create a social norm, it's going to be very hard 0:11:03.800 --> 0:11:04.520 to change. 0:11:05.040 --> 0:11:08.160 It's almost like life itself has become a video game. 0:11:09.679 --> 0:11:15.000 M you know, I mean, you share followers, you get points. Essentially, 0:11:15.000 --> 0:11:19.400 it don't turns social interaction into competitive game. And and 0:11:19.480 --> 0:11:21.480 people there are people out there doing stuff online, just 0:11:21.559 --> 0:11:25.160 ridiculously stupid stuff, dangerous stuff for that matter, at any 0:11:25.200 --> 0:11:28.800 cost and for shock value, and we manufacture outrage and 0:11:29.240 --> 0:11:32.760 uh that just encourages more attention seeking antisocial behavior. 0:11:33.120 --> 0:11:33.240 Uh. 0:11:33.320 --> 0:11:35.000 And it's a race to the bottom. And so it's 0:11:35.080 --> 0:11:37.240 literally I mean, if you get points, we're doing what 0:11:37.280 --> 0:11:38.840 you do what should be clicks? So what should be 0:11:39.000 --> 0:11:40.720 like isn't this a game? 0:11:42.320 --> 0:11:45.240 Sounds like it? I mean, and I think we're becoming 0:11:45.280 --> 0:11:49.160 these sensitized. I think we see so much of it 0:11:49.720 --> 0:11:53.000 that it's just like, uh, there's you know, here's another one. 0:11:53.120 --> 0:11:54.880 And I think that a lot of us are we're 0:11:54.960 --> 0:11:58.880 seeking stimulation and we're and for young adults are they're 0:11:58.880 --> 0:12:01.800 looking for pure a proof well, and putting it on 0:12:01.840 --> 0:12:04.440 social media is a quick way to get that. 0:12:04.800 --> 0:12:08.360 Yeah. Yeah, And it also effects I think socialization too. 0:12:08.400 --> 0:12:10.920 I see a number not all, of course, but there 0:12:10.960 --> 0:12:12.720 are a lot of young people now that you know, 0:12:12.720 --> 0:12:14.800 we'll talk in one hundred and forty characters or less 0:12:14.800 --> 0:12:16.760 and not make eye contact to you that's almost like 0:12:16.800 --> 0:12:19.719 you if you wouldn't know. They seem autistic in a way, 0:12:19.760 --> 0:12:22.080 But it's actually the fact that all their communication has 0:12:22.120 --> 0:12:25.200 done digitally. There's very little one on one, face to 0:12:25.240 --> 0:12:27.880 face communication. It feels like that's a dying art. 0:12:29.240 --> 0:12:32.640 Well, it does. And eye contact and just verbal I 0:12:32.640 --> 0:12:35.720 have many clients that say, I don't call anybody. I 0:12:35.760 --> 0:12:37.800 can't remember the last time I called somebody. 0:12:37.840 --> 0:12:39.040 Yeah, I just text him. 0:12:39.240 --> 0:12:41.880 I just text him. And you know, if you think 0:12:41.920 --> 0:12:45.440 about how we're using AI now, there are studies that 0:12:45.480 --> 0:12:49.959 have come out that the younger population they're turning to AI, 0:12:50.520 --> 0:12:53.080 and I think thirty five percent of one survey I 0:12:53.120 --> 0:12:55.680 said that's because it didn't have anybody else to talk to. 0:12:57.600 --> 0:12:59.640 Yeah, you hear that. And that's a very interesting point 0:12:59.640 --> 0:13:02.040 you just made, Lee Richardson. Is the fact that with 0:13:02.080 --> 0:13:05.360 all this technology gretting more and more isolated and therefore depressed. 0:13:06.160 --> 0:13:09.680 COVID exacerbated that, to be sure, But it doesn't feel 0:13:09.679 --> 0:13:11.080 like we've moved away from that. I mean, you know, 0:13:11.120 --> 0:13:13.640 when you are social distancing and you're working at home, 0:13:13.720 --> 0:13:15.439 and I know they're calling people back to the office 0:13:15.480 --> 0:13:18.200 and people reluctantly are doing that. But you're not interacting 0:13:18.240 --> 0:13:21.400 with anyone that is so dangerous to the human psyche 0:13:21.440 --> 0:13:23.199 because we're social creatures, are not built for. 0:13:23.160 --> 0:13:26.920 That, and I think we kind of forget how when 0:13:26.960 --> 0:13:29.959 you don't, when you don't use social skills, well thinks that. 0:13:30.240 --> 0:13:32.760 You know, we've talked about COVID when people first started 0:13:32.760 --> 0:13:35.680 getting on the road again and driving as we came 0:13:35.720 --> 0:13:41.000 out of COVID, the road range was incredible. We forgot 0:13:41.200 --> 0:13:42.440 how to drive nice. 0:13:43.320 --> 0:13:45.439 I don't know if we ever knew how to drive nice, 0:13:45.120 --> 0:13:48.840 but it certainly got I agree with it got worse 0:13:48.880 --> 0:13:51.560 after COVID, simply because it all became about us. We 0:13:51.600 --> 0:13:54.920 are ready very self centered people with the advent of 0:13:54.960 --> 0:13:58.800 digital technology, because it became our bone individual brand, right, 0:13:58.840 --> 0:14:00.880 That's what it was about, you know, and you're told 0:14:00.880 --> 0:14:03.400 the steady diet. If you're the most important person, your snowflake, 0:14:03.440 --> 0:14:06.200 you know, your your fingerprint, you're you're different than everyone else, 0:14:06.240 --> 0:14:09.280 and you're special. And we started naming people, you know, 0:14:09.440 --> 0:14:11.920 people get names like princess and king and things like that, 0:14:12.000 --> 0:14:14.920 and queen and those titles go around. But then you 0:14:14.960 --> 0:14:17.600 add the isolation of COVID and social media in there, 0:14:17.640 --> 0:14:20.520 and we have a very self centered society now, and 0:14:20.560 --> 0:14:24.160 it's about me and my instant gratification and no one else. 0:14:24.160 --> 0:14:26.800 How we see that people getting getting shot at McDonald's 0:14:26.800 --> 0:14:29.720 behind the counter because you know, they got a cheeseburg 0:14:29.760 --> 0:14:32.080 instead of a hamburger. If we allow that, it's not 0:14:32.200 --> 0:14:33.840 much of a stretch to go, wow, hey, there's a 0:14:33.840 --> 0:14:36.000 guy that I got beef with sitting at Citybird on 0:14:36.080 --> 0:14:38.160 Fountain Square and Broad dala al, I'm a fire. Couple 0:14:38.200 --> 0:14:40.000 of rounds in the window. Or the guys that got 0:14:40.080 --> 0:14:43.280 in an argument and started shooting across traffic rush hour 0:14:43.360 --> 0:14:45.760 right a Fountain Square a couple of days ago, same thing? 0:14:46.040 --> 0:14:46.440 Wow? 0:14:46.960 --> 0:14:51.320 Right, yeah, I mean, and there's something that we have 0:14:51.400 --> 0:14:53.880 to do about it. If we just we just roll 0:14:54.040 --> 0:14:56.480 us and say, oh, that's just the way it is now, 0:14:56.760 --> 0:14:59.360 it will only get worse. And I think that that's 0:14:59.400 --> 0:15:03.480 something that we as we move forward with technology, we've 0:15:03.520 --> 0:15:08.480 got to redefine our relationship with technology. Your phone is 0:15:08.560 --> 0:15:11.520 not your best friend. Your phone does not need to 0:15:11.560 --> 0:15:15.920 sleep with you. And I have clients that when I 0:15:15.960 --> 0:15:18.360 say where's your phone's sleep form? You know I used 0:15:18.400 --> 0:15:21.800 to follow asleep with it in my hand. Really, is 0:15:21.840 --> 0:15:24.920 that where it needs to be. And I have clients 0:15:24.920 --> 0:15:28.280 that refer to AI as AL. Well, I'm going to 0:15:28.360 --> 0:15:30.760 go home. I'm going to go home and hang out 0:15:30.760 --> 0:15:35.120 with AL. Who's out? I ask my boyfriend, I don't 0:15:35.160 --> 0:15:38.240 know you had a boyfriend, Well AI, I call him out. 0:15:38.400 --> 0:15:41.160 Wow, And they to have conversations with AI. And I've 0:15:41.160 --> 0:15:43.520 done that kind of jet to see when the responses are. 0:15:43.880 --> 0:15:47.320 It's frightening, is what it is. And we're becoming Yeah, 0:15:47.360 --> 0:15:51.640 we're becoming more attracted to digital a digital person than 0:15:51.680 --> 0:15:54.160 a real person. That's that's frightening. And explain I think 0:15:54.200 --> 0:15:56.160 a lot of this, a lot of what's happened here 0:15:56.160 --> 0:15:57.440 now anyway, what we're gonna. 0:15:57.240 --> 0:15:59.840 Say, because they tell us what we want to hear. 0:16:00.600 --> 0:16:01.520 Of course we're gin it. 0:16:01.680 --> 0:16:02.280 We want that. 0:16:03.040 --> 0:16:05.240 I mean AI talks to you just like you talk 0:16:05.320 --> 0:16:07.400 to it, and it will tell you. And if you 0:16:07.560 --> 0:16:11.080 use it consistently, it picks up your algorithm. It will 0:16:11.160 --> 0:16:12.640 and it will learn to talk and it will tell 0:16:12.640 --> 0:16:14.680 you what you want to hear. So yeah, we all 0:16:14.680 --> 0:16:18.360 do like you, Hey, beautiful, you have a great day. 0:16:19.520 --> 0:16:21.320 And eventually we're gonna have a machine that does that 0:16:21.440 --> 0:16:24.000 in real life and there'll be no human interaction. I'll 0:16:24.000 --> 0:16:26.520 be dead and gone unhappy by then. But Cheeesilee Richardson 0:16:26.840 --> 0:16:30.440 at the Brain Performance Center in Texas, Lee all the best, 0:16:30.480 --> 0:16:33.440 thanks for the inside good stuff as always, Thank you 0:16:33.440 --> 0:16:36.760 so much. Take care, b Welly. So what we saw 0:16:36.880 --> 0:16:40.320 in July on the streets of Cincinnati, the international news 0:16:40.360 --> 0:16:43.080 to the most recent Fountain Square shootings, which has led 0:16:43.120 --> 0:16:46.360 to the dismissal essentially whatever you're calling it, administrative leave 0:16:46.360 --> 0:16:49.400 of Chief Terry Fiji. I'm guessing that that's what helped 0:16:49.440 --> 0:16:50.840 drive in this thing. And then you had the shooting 0:16:50.880 --> 0:16:52.800 in front of the in between Thursday on football. All 0:16:52.840 --> 0:16:56.040 these people around the city's lit up, and there's cops 0:16:56.040 --> 0:16:59.400 are around, cops are around Fountain Square, and these people 0:16:59.440 --> 0:17:02.160 they just simp, don't care. It's almost they lived in 0:17:02.200 --> 0:17:05.560 their own world, a video game as it were, or 0:17:06.119 --> 0:17:09.000 a world where I'm the central attraction. I'm the only 0:17:09.040 --> 0:17:12.920 thing that matters. I'm not going to discount criminality, predatory 0:17:12.920 --> 0:17:15.960 criminal behavior, and sociopaths that are engaging, there's no question, 0:17:16.000 --> 0:17:17.879 but I think there's a reflection there on all of 0:17:17.920 --> 0:17:21.000 us as societies where we're headed now with AI coming 0:17:21.040 --> 0:17:23.639 into fruition, which we still don't know what tomorrow is 0:17:23.640 --> 0:17:25.359 going to bring with that, but also the fact that 0:17:25.760 --> 0:17:27.399 you know, look at the few people calling nine to 0:17:27.400 --> 0:17:29.280 one one when something goes on, they'd rather record it 0:17:29.320 --> 0:17:32.000 post content on their page to get clicks and views, 0:17:32.040 --> 0:17:33.919 and that feeds even more of the stuff too. And 0:17:33.960 --> 0:17:36.080 I think in that regard we are all to blame 0:17:36.160 --> 0:17:39.359 to some degree because we're feeding that and then you 0:17:39.400 --> 0:17:41.320 put that in the hands of well street thugs and 0:17:41.359 --> 0:17:45.040 criminals and sociopaths, and this is what happens. Just something 0:17:45.040 --> 0:17:47.000 to think about and if that's true in any way, 0:17:47.040 --> 0:17:49.520 shape or form, is it really the fault of Terry 0:17:49.560 --> 0:17:51.920 Fiji or Adam Henny or whoever the chief is a 0:17:52.000 --> 0:17:55.800 city of Cincinnati, Probably not. Could you do better with 0:17:55.840 --> 0:17:59.160 the policies, absolutely, but that's above them. Scott'sland with News 0:17:59.160 --> 0:18:03.520 in four minutes your seven one hundred W the scott'sand 0:18:03.640 --> 0:18:06.600 here seven hundred w l W Welcome to the show. 0:18:08.720 --> 0:18:11.959 I just talked to Lee Richardson, and Lee is with 0:18:12.000 --> 0:18:14.760 the Brain Performance Center in Dallas, and we just had 0:18:14.800 --> 0:18:19.280 the you know what cost Terry Fiji her job? Essentially, 0:18:19.800 --> 0:18:22.240 that would be the violence downtown, the shootings at Fountain 0:18:22.240 --> 0:18:25.560 Square and also I would include there what happened at 0:18:25.560 --> 0:18:30.720 the end between two and you know, you talk about 0:18:30.760 --> 0:18:33.480 the impact social media has on people, and just let's look, 0:18:33.560 --> 0:18:35.959 let's look back at what happened in July when you 0:18:36.000 --> 0:18:38.200 had all these people that were fighting and getting curb 0:18:38.240 --> 0:18:41.439 stomped and everything else, and what one person, maybe two 0:18:41.480 --> 0:18:43.600 people called nine one one, and even the person who's 0:18:43.640 --> 0:18:49.280 gonna call nine one one was threatened and didn't you know, 0:18:49.359 --> 0:18:54.040 didn't feel comfortable in reaching out to police because they 0:18:54.040 --> 0:18:55.800 felt like, hey, you know what, we don't want to 0:18:55.920 --> 0:18:58.360 upset this. This is happening in our little ecosystem here, 0:18:58.400 --> 0:19:00.560 and we're gonna have race wars, but we don't want 0:19:00.560 --> 0:19:02.920 anyone responding. And you know there's people down bleeding, and 0:19:03.440 --> 0:19:09.040 you know, significant and serious injuries to two people, and 0:19:09.480 --> 0:19:12.480 you wonder why that exists. Well, she talked greatly about 0:19:12.720 --> 0:19:15.840 how the impact that social media has had on all 0:19:15.840 --> 0:19:18.479 of us, and even if you're not involved in your 0:19:18.480 --> 0:19:20.800 offended by that, we also are still to blame because 0:19:21.200 --> 0:19:26.120 we drive the content through the algorithms and that's why 0:19:26.160 --> 0:19:29.080 clickbait is created. I think it's interesting too just reading 0:19:29.080 --> 0:19:31.879 the story about social media. The social media make you dumber, 0:19:33.680 --> 0:19:36.120 And the answer is, well, yeah, I think we can. 0:19:36.640 --> 0:19:40.439 I think we can absolutely measure that. But think, okay, 0:19:40.440 --> 0:19:42.240 well how do we test that? How we got simply 0:19:42.359 --> 0:19:44.239 just you know, there's really no way to measure it, 0:19:45.640 --> 0:19:49.000 but there is. If you had a you know what 0:19:49.040 --> 0:19:51.240 they call in the research field. You know you've got 0:19:51.280 --> 0:19:53.320 a you've got a test, and a test better than 0:19:53.320 --> 0:19:56.119 a I'm not done blanking on the name of it, 0:19:56.119 --> 0:19:58.040 but you know I'm talking about anyway, long story short. 0:19:59.760 --> 0:20:01.720 If I think scrolling the Internet days making it dumber, 0:20:01.760 --> 0:20:04.000 what about AI? So what they did is fascinating researchers, 0:20:04.000 --> 0:20:06.080 I think Texas. And then they took junk data. They 0:20:06.080 --> 0:20:08.800 took the stuff that we look at, the clickbait, the 0:20:08.840 --> 0:20:11.199 millions and millions of short social media posts. They took 0:20:11.240 --> 0:20:14.400 stuff from Facebook and x and Instagram and all that, 0:20:15.040 --> 0:20:18.200 and they put a bunch of it into AIAI models. 0:20:19.320 --> 0:20:21.440 The stuff that has a lot of engagement, likes, reposts, 0:20:21.520 --> 0:20:26.400 longer content, that kind of stuff. It sensationalized presentations and 0:20:26.680 --> 0:20:30.440 really thin on actual information. Basically the same type of 0:20:30.480 --> 0:20:32.399 content that's rotting our own bridge or it feels like 0:20:32.440 --> 0:20:34.439 our writting own bridge. What did AI do with this 0:20:34.480 --> 0:20:39.639 stuff because it's a learning model. The AI models that 0:20:39.680 --> 0:20:44.080 they use saw significant drops in reasoning capabilities, understanding context, 0:20:44.680 --> 0:20:47.720 and being safe a sense of adherence to safety standards. 0:20:48.760 --> 0:20:53.040 So more than just getting dumber, they included the clickbait, 0:20:53.040 --> 0:20:57.680 they included the junk, and it also changed the model's 0:20:57.720 --> 0:21:02.800 personality because it's a learning model and so we'll learn 0:21:02.880 --> 0:21:07.359 and the responses when you read them, you tend to 0:21:07.480 --> 0:21:09.199 look at and go, Okay, it's not just data, but 0:21:09.200 --> 0:21:11.480 there's a little personality. Well that's that's a yeah. You know, 0:21:11.520 --> 0:21:13.560 you could say, hey, take the story and make it funny, 0:21:13.640 --> 0:21:16.480 and it would make it funny that there's a personality 0:21:16.480 --> 0:21:18.399 element to it. And I know it's a I know 0:21:18.440 --> 0:21:20.760 it's a computer and it's it's AI. But that's the 0:21:20.760 --> 0:21:22.520 scary part of the good part about it. I suppose. 0:21:22.520 --> 0:21:25.440 So they put this through I think metas one of 0:21:25.520 --> 0:21:29.280 Meta's AI bots, and it displayed significantly higher levels of 0:21:29.359 --> 0:21:32.760 narcissism and became less agreeable, and also went from displaying 0:21:32.760 --> 0:21:37.639 nearly no signs of psychopathy to extremely high rates of psychopathy. 0:21:38.240 --> 0:21:42.040 That's crazy, literally, it's making the computer crazy. So if 0:21:42.080 --> 0:21:45.840 that is AI, and we can measure baseline AI and go, okay, 0:21:45.880 --> 0:21:48.160 well this is before we feeded a bunch of junk. 0:21:49.760 --> 0:21:52.040 If that's rotting the brain of the computer, so to speak, 0:21:52.080 --> 0:21:56.160 what is that doing to me and you? And conversely, 0:21:56.200 --> 0:21:58.320 when you look at what happened at Fountain Square, when 0:21:58.359 --> 0:22:01.960 you look at what happened during the beat down in July, 0:22:03.560 --> 0:22:06.240 it wouldn't surprise one that no one is going to 0:22:06.240 --> 0:22:07.840 call the police. No one cares to call the police 0:22:07.920 --> 0:22:09.360 or reach out and say, hey, these are actually living 0:22:09.440 --> 0:22:11.639 human beings here because we're programmed to steady died of 0:22:11.680 --> 0:22:14.520 this donsense. And you know, if you spend all day 0:22:14.560 --> 0:22:16.639 looking at it, and I'm guilty of it too, you 0:22:16.760 --> 0:22:19.040 might be as well. I try to avoid it as 0:22:19.119 --> 0:22:21.520 much as possible because it just feels toxic to me. 0:22:21.560 --> 0:22:24.640 It really really does. So social media, when you take 0:22:24.680 --> 0:22:27.800 it and put it at AI, makes AI worse, dumber, 0:22:28.400 --> 0:22:32.600 more angry, just like us. We're in day twenty three 0:22:32.640 --> 0:22:36.000 the shutdown now and now officially the second longest funding 0:22:36.080 --> 0:22:38.800 lapse in modern history, eclipsing the one back in back 0:22:38.840 --> 0:22:42.440 to nineteen ninety five during the Clinton administration. Thirty five 0:22:42.520 --> 0:22:44.000 days would be the record. By the way, in case 0:22:44.000 --> 0:22:47.119 you're counting thirty five days. And healthcare, of course, as 0:22:47.160 --> 0:22:48.400 the hold up in this whole thing. We've been talking 0:22:48.400 --> 0:22:50.840 about that. I'll have a guest on at eleven oh 0:22:50.880 --> 0:22:53.760 six on that topic entirely too now, especially as we 0:22:53.840 --> 0:22:56.280 head into benefit season here. It's open enrollment coming up 0:22:56.320 --> 0:23:00.800 November first, and we're expecting the worst. We're expecting, you know, 0:23:01.440 --> 0:23:03.639 a lot less coverage and more cost and that's for 0:23:04.000 --> 0:23:06.520 all of us too. So we are now day twenty 0:23:06.520 --> 0:23:08.440 three of this thing yester. They tried to pass the 0:23:08.600 --> 0:23:11.080 I think the twelfth attempt to pass the bill and nothing, 0:23:11.160 --> 0:23:13.000 largely because no one's outrage yet. Now I know that 0:23:13.000 --> 0:23:15.879 they're going to start cutting SNAP and that does affect 0:23:15.920 --> 0:23:18.479 seniors as well as low income families. I wonder if 0:23:18.480 --> 0:23:20.479 that will get someone's attention or they'll just go what 0:23:20.520 --> 0:23:23.399 they usually do is just say, well, you know we 0:23:23.440 --> 0:23:26.480 can we we'll find some money for because you know, 0:23:27.040 --> 0:23:29.200 it's theater up until a point that someone gets hurt, 0:23:29.720 --> 0:23:32.359 no doubt about it. So we have that going on. 0:23:33.440 --> 0:23:36.520 This is in the medical area here too. I didn't 0:23:36.560 --> 0:23:38.680 know this last year they hadn't do a Nobel Prize 0:23:38.680 --> 0:23:41.560 and on the Nobil risory toxic and polarize these days. 0:23:41.560 --> 0:23:45.600 But the Nobel buying Physiology went to I guess said 0:23:45.640 --> 0:23:49.720 a scientist or scientists, I should say that studied animals, 0:23:50.400 --> 0:23:55.720 animals that can breathe through their anus. What So now 0:23:55.720 --> 0:23:57.840 they've taken their research and said, there's mammals that are 0:23:57.880 --> 0:24:00.919 capable of breeding through their butt. What do we do 0:24:00.960 --> 0:24:06.480 with that? Well for people who have disabilities or blocked 0:24:06.480 --> 0:24:09.560 airways or clogged lungs, THEPD for example. Maybe I don't know. 0:24:10.520 --> 0:24:14.840 They are now experimenting and getting promising results to bring 0:24:15.000 --> 0:24:19.000 rectal oxygen delivery one step closer to medical reality. I 0:24:19.040 --> 0:24:21.440 don't know if that's a foot pump. I'm not sure. 0:24:21.440 --> 0:24:24.199 If you, I don't know, you stop at UDF and 0:24:24.240 --> 0:24:27.119 you put quarters in. I have no idea how that 0:24:27.160 --> 0:24:31.720 would work, but guarantee this, if they get to that point, 0:24:31.800 --> 0:24:34.879 there will be some product that comes out. PNG is 0:24:34.880 --> 0:24:38.800 probably already working on something to make your anus smell better. 0:24:38.920 --> 0:24:41.040 So it's to have fresh breath from the mouth and 0:24:41.080 --> 0:24:43.720 the butt as well, a butt muffler or something. I 0:24:43.760 --> 0:24:45.159 don't know how they're going to do this. It's a 0:24:45.280 --> 0:24:48.040 I don't know if it's a stovepipe. I'm not going. Sure, 0:24:48.720 --> 0:24:50.160 you just think of I go, well, you now you've 0:24:50.160 --> 0:24:53.040 seriously if you can't breathe, that's problematic for the human 0:24:53.080 --> 0:24:56.960 condition generally. Not breathing is frowned upon in these parts, 0:24:57.760 --> 0:24:59.680 tends not to have good outcomes, as they say in 0:24:59.720 --> 0:25:02.840 the metal field. Now there's an option to actually be 0:25:02.920 --> 0:25:06.040 able to breathe through your butt, well, not an option yet, 0:25:06.080 --> 0:25:08.879 it's maybe they're working on this thing. What is that 0:25:08.960 --> 0:25:14.440 king to look like? Science is freaking amazing, absolutely amazing. 0:25:14.800 --> 0:25:17.199 That's good stuff right there, Scott's Sloan Show on this 0:25:17.480 --> 0:25:19.639 Thursday morning. So yeah, we're on the backside of this 0:25:19.680 --> 0:25:22.400 whole thing. Coming up at ten oh six dominic. Misser 0:25:22.440 --> 0:25:26.080 Indido's here. He's a retail expert. Okay, what nine months 0:25:26.080 --> 0:25:28.240 in roughly we're heading to the quarter four quarter four 0:25:28.320 --> 0:25:30.639 is here? How's this whole tariff thing working out? I 0:25:30.680 --> 0:25:34.960 was at the store yes two days ago and it 0:25:35.000 --> 0:25:37.359 was Costco. Of all places, which I love be some 0:25:37.440 --> 0:25:41.040 Costco because the prices are good, people are very friendly there, 0:25:42.720 --> 0:25:46.320 and everything's in quantity, which we like. I actually, for 0:25:46.359 --> 0:25:48.320 the first time a long time or since I can 0:25:48.359 --> 0:25:51.879 ever remember, said look to beef and went, yeah, it's 0:25:51.920 --> 0:25:55.760 too expensive. It didn't high like to eat right, being 0:25:55.840 --> 0:25:57.760 Italian and all that. And I look at it and go, wow, 0:25:58.600 --> 0:26:00.439 pick up a pack of steaks and they were just 0:26:00.440 --> 0:26:02.160 like I don't know, strip stakes or something like that. 0:26:02.240 --> 0:26:05.359 And it was one hundred dollars for it was a 0:26:05.359 --> 0:26:07.400 good It was a costco sized pack mine. It wasn't 0:26:07.440 --> 0:26:10.880 like tuesdaks. Even the hamburger was like, you know, six 0:26:10.920 --> 0:26:15.359 between six seven dollars a pound, Wow for hamburger. It 0:26:15.359 --> 0:26:17.639 looks at it when okay, it's a lot of hamburger freeze, 0:26:17.680 --> 0:26:19.280 like a lot of the stuff putting in the ceiler 0:26:19.320 --> 0:26:21.239 and bag it up. But yeah, you know what, I'm 0:26:21.280 --> 0:26:24.920 good chicka dizer, Like I got two forty nine pound, 0:26:24.960 --> 0:26:27.720 I'll go that. I'll do that, Like do I need no, No, 0:26:27.800 --> 0:26:31.400 we're good, We're good. I couldn't believe it. But then 0:26:31.400 --> 0:26:34.000 that's just me, and I'm sure you and in course 0:26:34.040 --> 0:26:36.840 countless other people. So many people feel the effect that 0:26:36.920 --> 0:26:38.439 every day. And you know, you look at it and go, 0:26:38.480 --> 0:26:40.119 can I actually afford to buy hamber It used to 0:26:40.160 --> 0:26:42.520 be steak, right or something nicer cut of meat. Now 0:26:42.560 --> 0:26:44.400 it's like I can't even I can iffer eggs, hamburger. 0:26:44.400 --> 0:26:47.439 It's all going through the roof inflation and tariffs and 0:26:47.480 --> 0:26:49.360 of course you know with beef too. There's a lot 0:26:49.359 --> 0:26:52.159 of other factors in there as well, with droughts and sicknesses. 0:26:52.160 --> 0:26:53.800 But we'll get into that with the dominant coming up 0:26:53.800 --> 0:26:55.880 at twelve I'm sorry, twelve or six, I said, coming 0:26:55.960 --> 0:26:57.480 up at t ten oh seven this morning here on 0:26:57.480 --> 0:27:01.159 the Scott Sloan Show on seven hundred WW News on 0:27:01.200 --> 0:27:03.760 the way about six minutes here, seven hundred W WELW 0:27:03.920 --> 0:27:07.320 Scott's Loan Show. Keeping on top of everything. The latest 0:27:07.320 --> 0:27:10.840 Thigi news kind of light today, But yesterday I think 0:27:10.880 --> 0:27:15.400 it was WCPO nine at a interview with aftab Purevall 0:27:15.480 --> 0:27:17.800 and he said, no, this investigation is going to take 0:27:18.000 --> 0:27:21.320 months to figure out what she did wrong so we 0:27:21.359 --> 0:27:26.880 can fire her. And you know, typically you go, well, maybe, okay, yeah, 0:27:26.960 --> 0:27:29.560 you know, maybe Thigi was did something that's going to 0:27:29.680 --> 0:27:33.359 cause her to be suspended and paid leave and what 0:27:33.880 --> 0:27:36.240 what has she got summoned back from the conference in 0:27:36.359 --> 0:27:40.480 Denver and we thought it was crime related and they're 0:27:40.520 --> 0:27:44.159 investigating her and now she's paid leave. What's going on? 0:27:44.240 --> 0:27:46.720 What kind of high level stuff is going on. Ask 0:27:46.800 --> 0:27:50.040 yourself a question, and that may be true, but ask 0:27:50.080 --> 0:27:53.600 yourself a question. How many times has that actually happened 0:27:53.640 --> 0:27:56.920 where someone is said, hey, we've suspended a person. Now 0:27:56.960 --> 0:27:59.520 we're going to wait two or three months and then 0:27:59.640 --> 0:28:02.200 tell you what it is we think they did wrong. 0:28:04.320 --> 0:28:07.200 Doesn't that Isn't that completely counter to the criminal justice system, 0:28:07.600 --> 0:28:11.240 even did the basics of due process And ironically, she's 0:28:11.280 --> 0:28:16.200 the chief of police. Due processes. Okay, here's what we're 0:28:16.280 --> 0:28:20.520 charging you with. Here are the accusations against you. Defend yourself. 0:28:21.920 --> 0:28:25.800 Instead they're going, okay, we're going to suspend you. Now 0:28:25.800 --> 0:28:27.720 we're going to look for the stuff we suspended you. 0:28:28.080 --> 0:28:30.280 It's it's part and parcel for what's going on in 0:28:30.359 --> 0:28:34.000 city hall. It really is something else. I'm not saying 0:28:34.040 --> 0:28:37.440 she's cla I don't know. I knowing Terry and her 0:28:37.480 --> 0:28:40.440 family and what they've done, hard to believe that she'd 0:28:40.440 --> 0:28:42.160 be up to something that would cost her her job, 0:28:43.360 --> 0:28:45.400 and you start to the mind wanders of things you 0:28:45.440 --> 0:28:47.479 could do as a chief that would cause you to 0:28:47.520 --> 0:28:51.000 be forced out. But we've never heard a rumor about that. 0:28:51.240 --> 0:28:53.719 Talk to people at other news organizations, they haven't heard 0:28:53.760 --> 0:28:56.960 anything like that. With Terry Thiji. It doesn't pass a 0:28:57.000 --> 0:28:59.640 sniff test. But again, no, normally how you do, like 0:28:59.680 --> 0:29:04.080 PG sitting and felt for example, okay, we heard rumors 0:29:04.120 --> 0:29:06.720 and then okay we had the FBI and the sting 0:29:06.760 --> 0:29:11.000 and all that. That information came out and he of 0:29:11.000 --> 0:29:14.080 course denied it all and then went to prison and 0:29:14.120 --> 0:29:18.040 then got out of prison because it was overturned. I 0:29:18.120 --> 0:29:21.240 get that. That's usually how it works. I don't see 0:29:21.280 --> 0:29:25.400 too often, if ever, we hat somethe go, we're suspending 0:29:25.440 --> 0:29:28.200 them and there's no inkling as to what they They 0:29:28.200 --> 0:29:32.360 don't know what they did. So I'll reach out to 0:29:32.360 --> 0:29:35.160 Steve vm over at Finny lawfer maybe he wants to 0:29:35.200 --> 0:29:37.600 come on and address this. We'll probably do that next 0:29:37.640 --> 0:29:39.640 week because hey, you know what, Thursday, Friday, you're thinking 0:29:39.640 --> 0:29:41.440 about the weekend, and so am I. So it feels 0:29:41.440 --> 0:29:43.280 like a good Monday topic. And who the hell knows 0:29:43.320 --> 0:29:45.520 what's going to happen between now and then? You got me? 0:29:45.720 --> 0:29:48.320 You got me? Speaking of crime and punishment, the Louver 0:29:48.680 --> 0:29:52.440 The louverra reopened yesterday, first time since Steve's stold eight 0:29:52.480 --> 0:29:55.440 of France's crown jewels and the value on that by 0:29:55.440 --> 0:29:58.520 the Way Street value of over one hundred million dollars 0:29:58.720 --> 0:30:01.920 for eight jewels, and they're still in the hunt obviously 0:30:01.920 --> 0:30:05.240 for the four thieves that did this during daylight hours. 0:30:05.680 --> 0:30:08.240 And what it incredibly they are addressed is construction workers. 0:30:08.800 --> 0:30:11.160 They get in and out of the louver in less 0:30:11.160 --> 0:30:13.960 than what seven minutes while the museum was opening to 0:30:14.000 --> 0:30:17.120 the public, and they also set off two alarms and 0:30:17.160 --> 0:30:20.040 were confronted by security personnel and somehow talked their way 0:30:20.040 --> 0:30:22.920 out of it and then hopped on some motorcycles and 0:30:23.040 --> 0:30:26.120 took off, which is pretty smart when you think about it. 0:30:26.120 --> 0:30:28.160 I mean, Paris, there are a life you've never been. 0:30:28.240 --> 0:30:31.840 But it's an incredible number of motorcycles they have in Europe, 0:30:31.880 --> 0:30:35.360 but particularly in France and in Paris obviously because so 0:30:35.440 --> 0:30:37.800 many people in the streets are so narrow, but you 0:30:37.840 --> 0:30:40.480 can get around on them pretty quickly. The idea that 0:30:40.520 --> 0:30:42.000 you're going to know all the things it gets you know, 0:30:42.080 --> 0:30:45.640 if you I stole a painting, be much harder to 0:30:45.680 --> 0:30:48.640 get away on a motorcycle. But he's still jewels, which 0:30:48.680 --> 0:30:51.040 is probably part of the target. It's like, okay, well 0:30:51.040 --> 0:30:52.480 I can throw them in my pocket, get them on 0:30:52.520 --> 0:30:55.200 bike and roll and then they had that image of 0:30:55.200 --> 0:30:57.640 the electric ladder that was extended the second floor window. 0:30:57.720 --> 0:31:01.040 But the louver is undergoing extens remodeling, as you may 0:31:01.120 --> 0:31:03.240 or may not know, and that's a pretty common sight. 0:31:03.320 --> 0:31:05.160 That's how you get things to the top floors. If 0:31:05.160 --> 0:31:07.800 you've you know, we see it occasionally in Cincinnati and 0:31:07.840 --> 0:31:10.080 are the most densest urban area. But if you go 0:31:10.160 --> 0:31:13.360 to I don't like Chicago or New York for example, 0:31:13.400 --> 0:31:15.160 and you watch them work on a building, I mean 0:31:15.200 --> 0:31:18.600 to hoist drywall up is a feat of engineering. We're 0:31:18.640 --> 0:31:20.200 literally got to blow all the windows out and just 0:31:20.280 --> 0:31:22.120 hoist it up on a giant lift and get the 0:31:22.120 --> 0:31:24.680 sheets of drywall up to the thirtieth floor whatever it 0:31:24.760 --> 0:31:28.840 is you're going. That's a whole different operation there. So 0:31:29.600 --> 0:31:31.480 it all it all kind of fit together. The fascinating 0:31:31.520 --> 0:31:36.040 part about this to me is how the alarms want 0:31:36.040 --> 0:31:38.600 they know the alarms would go off in security to respond, 0:31:38.640 --> 0:31:41.400 and how they are still able to get away in 0:31:41.520 --> 0:31:44.160 talking their way out of this thing dress as construction workers. 0:31:44.320 --> 0:31:46.400 I cannot wait to hear that element of it. That's 0:31:46.400 --> 0:31:48.520 the most fascinating part of this to me. And also 0:31:48.960 --> 0:31:51.640 it makes you think, well they had some insight knowledge 0:31:51.640 --> 0:31:53.960 of how things are going to work, because I did 0:31:54.000 --> 0:31:56.920 read that there are cameras in the second story. We're 0:31:56.920 --> 0:31:59.200 facing in the wrong direction. And you know, if you're 0:31:59.240 --> 0:32:01.560 working in construc diduction on a floor a couple of floors, 0:32:01.880 --> 0:32:06.400 moving stuff around is commonplace, and so you wonder if 0:32:08.120 --> 0:32:10.400 that was maybe how they got in, but you also 0:32:10.480 --> 0:32:12.400 think you'd have to have people inside the loop helping 0:32:12.440 --> 0:32:16.000 you too, and pretty precise the fact that they got 0:32:16.040 --> 0:32:18.520 in they got specifically what they wanted because there I 0:32:18.560 --> 0:32:20.720 know there's I don't know the total number of Crown jewels, 0:32:20.760 --> 0:32:23.480 but there's a number. They got eight of them, very 0:32:23.520 --> 0:32:26.080 specific items. But doesn't that make you think, okay, if 0:32:26.160 --> 0:32:30.560 specifically they got these things, was this like a did 0:32:30.600 --> 0:32:32.320 they already have the fence set up? And it was 0:32:32.360 --> 0:32:34.680 that someoney who said, hey, listen, we'll pay you this 0:32:34.680 --> 0:32:37.080 amount of money if you can get these jewels, go 0:32:37.120 --> 0:32:38.440 in and get them. And they did that. It was 0:32:38.480 --> 0:32:43.200 like a basically they placed an order and the thieves 0:32:43.200 --> 0:32:45.480 went and got this stuff. And just the number of 0:32:45.520 --> 0:32:47.640 people it took too, I think to pull this off 0:32:47.720 --> 0:32:51.120 is fascinating to me. So and it's just like the 0:32:51.160 --> 0:32:54.680 Italian job or Snatch or I mentioned Inspectorcluso in Pink 0:32:54.720 --> 0:32:57.560 Panther or Ocean's eleven. Yeah, it's just a good fevery 0:32:57.640 --> 0:32:59.000 story and you look at it, go this is gonna 0:32:59.000 --> 0:33:00.680 be Give me some pop because this it's gonna be 0:33:00.680 --> 0:33:03.320 great on Netflix when they finally solve this whole thing. 0:33:03.360 --> 0:33:04.440 By the way, uh. 0:33:04.400 --> 0:33:06.560 Scotts Tholone coming up next to the show Don Mizarndinos. 0:33:06.560 --> 0:33:10.000 Here is retail experts, the terraffs feeling that we're feeling 0:33:10.040 --> 0:33:12.760 the squeeze the consumer end. And I think that is 0:33:12.800 --> 0:33:15.360 indeed the problem here because when it's I don't know, 0:33:15.400 --> 0:33:18.720 cattle ranchers are getting money, Venezuela is getting money. We 0:33:18.840 --> 0:33:20.480 got money coming in from the terrace, but it's not 0:33:20.520 --> 0:33:23.000 trickling down to me and you. And if so, how 0:33:23.000 --> 0:33:24.720 long can we stand this pain with the terraffs. That's 0:33:24.760 --> 0:33:26.840 just ahead on the Home of the Best Bengals coverage 0:33:26.840 --> 0:33:28.440 seven hundred ww Cincinnati. 0:33:28.760 --> 0:33:30.920 Do you want to be an Americanio? 0:33:31.680 --> 0:33:34.960 He's got flown back on seven hundred WWT So, my 0:33:35.000 --> 0:33:36.680 wife and I work Costco the other day. Love me 0:33:36.760 --> 0:33:38.760 some Costco even though it's just two of us for 0:33:38.800 --> 0:33:42.280 summer speaking chop at Costco. Do I really need Do 0:33:42.360 --> 0:33:44.960 I really need a fifty five gallon drum a mayonnaise? No, 0:33:45.040 --> 0:33:47.640 but damn it, look at that price on that. Unfortunately, 0:33:47.680 --> 0:33:50.200 I'm looking around it for the first time since I 0:33:50.200 --> 0:33:52.479 don't know when I looked at a package of beef 0:33:53.680 --> 0:33:55.120 and I think it was like, you know, a pack 0:33:55.120 --> 0:33:56.920 of steaks or something you freeze on me to cut, 0:33:57.120 --> 0:33:59.000 and it was over one hundred dollars may like a 0:33:59.080 --> 0:34:02.200 package of ground beef. Now granted it's the Costco size package, 0:34:02.240 --> 0:34:05.040 but it was like forty to fifty bucks. And I 0:34:05.080 --> 0:34:08.680 looked at it and went, nope. So where are you 0:34:09.280 --> 0:34:11.360 on tariffs, because that's part of this too. Beef is 0:34:11.360 --> 0:34:13.400 a I think maybe a little bit different. But you know, 0:34:13.480 --> 0:34:15.239 we have that we have inflation driving the cost of 0:34:15.280 --> 0:34:18.120 goods or consumers the stuff that is widely important in 0:34:18.120 --> 0:34:21.280 the US, in particular furniture, car parts, electronics. I mentioned 0:34:21.280 --> 0:34:23.800 beef getting hit some of the big ones companies that 0:34:23.920 --> 0:34:26.680 passed on roughly two thirds of those costs to us 0:34:26.719 --> 0:34:29.319 to meet and you and we're waiting for all this 0:34:29.400 --> 0:34:32.120 to come back to us. The question is if and 0:34:32.200 --> 0:34:34.560 when and on that is dominic mister Indino is a 0:34:34.880 --> 0:34:39.640 CEO at retail tech Media Nexus Rtmnexus dot com Dominic. 0:34:39.680 --> 0:34:40.600 Welcome back, How you doing. 0:34:40.480 --> 0:34:43.759 Brother, Thrilled to be back. Thrilled to be back and 0:34:43.840 --> 0:34:46.880 cover some light and airy issues the economy. 0:34:48.120 --> 0:34:50.839 I was cringing at the price of beef and walk 0:34:50.880 --> 0:34:53.839 in and went now And I don't ever remember doing 0:34:53.880 --> 0:34:57.040 that because I like beef, I like chicken, I like 0:34:57.120 --> 0:35:01.439 you know this, My body type is beef. So when 0:35:01.440 --> 0:35:04.320 we look at the tariffs themselves and what's happening or 0:35:04.320 --> 0:35:07.800 President Trump just told cattle ranchers, I think yesterday, the 0:35:07.880 --> 0:35:10.239 only reason they're doing so well is because tariffs on 0:35:10.280 --> 0:35:13.080 cattle come in the United States are causing their prices 0:35:13.120 --> 0:35:15.040 and they're causing make a more profit. And that includes 0:35:15.080 --> 0:35:18.520 a fifty percent tear from Brazil. But now we want 0:35:18.560 --> 0:35:22.080 to import beef from Argentina because we want we want 0:35:22.080 --> 0:35:24.680 to help their economy, and then cattle ranchers here will 0:35:24.680 --> 0:35:27.880 get three billion dollars in assistance to those who have 0:35:27.920 --> 0:35:30.520 been hurt with the trade dispute with countries like China. 0:35:30.600 --> 0:35:34.399 So it's like just a malgam. It's a casse role 0:35:34.560 --> 0:35:37.600 of subsidy and giveaway and tariffs and then we're taking 0:35:37.600 --> 0:35:40.160 the money and giving it to farmers, and it feels 0:35:40.160 --> 0:35:43.480 like everyone's getting money of foreign countries and farmers, but 0:35:43.920 --> 0:35:45.160 they ain't doing anything for me and you. 0:35:46.600 --> 0:35:49.360 Well, and I think started the basics of the equation, 0:35:50.120 --> 0:35:52.160 and I go back to the basics, mean, what is 0:35:52.200 --> 0:35:56.640 a tar of the tariff is attacks essentially passed on 0:35:56.840 --> 0:36:00.439 to the consumer unimported goods, which means and you're gon't 0:36:00.440 --> 0:36:02.880 have to buy beef right now. Your choice is American 0:36:02.920 --> 0:36:06.279 beef at the price, and everything else has a paraffon it, 0:36:06.320 --> 0:36:08.799 there by making it more expensive, making the American beef 0:36:08.840 --> 0:36:12.759 price grows up. If the American consumer is good with that, 0:36:12.840 --> 0:36:17.000 paying higher prices, then hooray on Paris. Now the challenge 0:36:17.040 --> 0:36:19.560 is the American consumer, such as yourself, knock on the door, 0:36:19.560 --> 0:36:22.360 say one hundred dollars for feet. What's going on, dude? 0:36:23.360 --> 0:36:26.360 And cause there's one cycle. In the addition, you have 0:36:26.400 --> 0:36:28.799 this other issue, this whole Argentina thing. And then the 0:36:28.840 --> 0:36:32.000 farmers themselves saying, wait a minute, I thought we were 0:36:32.040 --> 0:36:35.160 winning in this equation. By stopping all external beef, you're 0:36:35.880 --> 0:36:38.759 helping Argentina. So I think you have almost like two 0:36:38.840 --> 0:36:42.359 stories hitting each other like the cars driving into each 0:36:42.400 --> 0:36:45.319 other middle the highway. And to be honest, the only 0:36:45.360 --> 0:36:47.240 one to lose is the guy who has a paycheck 0:36:47.280 --> 0:36:51.200 who says, are these parents necessarily getting me where I 0:36:51.239 --> 0:36:51.600 want to be? 0:36:52.239 --> 0:36:54.239 I think it's a fair assessment because you look at 0:36:54.239 --> 0:36:57.759 the Brazil and the tariffs and women to Argentine, Well Argentina, okay, 0:36:57.760 --> 0:36:59.759 Well need to help their economy. So we're gonna we're 0:36:59.800 --> 0:37:01.480 with the tariffs. I don't know what the impact is 0:37:01.560 --> 0:37:03.719 Argentina tariffs, but we only left their economents. They're gonna 0:37:03.719 --> 0:37:07.760 give them subsidy. We're gonna Venezuela in another one. Cattle ranchers 0:37:07.760 --> 0:37:10.080 here get three billion dollars because they're not selling stake 0:37:10.120 --> 0:37:12.160 because somebody like me walks in goes. I ain't paying 0:37:12.160 --> 0:37:14.960 that for a stake. You know, it'll be special came 0:37:15.000 --> 0:37:17.960 back to special occasion or grand beef or whatever it is. Okay, 0:37:17.960 --> 0:37:20.719 So they're getting money through you know, tariffs and sub 0:37:20.760 --> 0:37:23.359 said it, we don't get anything as the consumers. Now 0:37:23.560 --> 0:37:25.960 we're waiting. We're told back in January and up to 0:37:26.000 --> 0:37:27.600 that that hey, we're gonna hit the tariffs, and guess 0:37:27.640 --> 0:37:29.800 what we're gonna start getting jobs back, it's going to 0:37:29.840 --> 0:37:31.840 start just cost everyone's going to be rich. And we 0:37:31.960 --> 0:37:34.239 keep waiting for that, and I think, you know, here 0:37:34.280 --> 0:37:37.640 we are and and the Q four right now, we're 0:37:37.640 --> 0:37:40.400 not seeing that, and that really is the problem right here, 0:37:40.440 --> 0:37:42.480 we're not getting the relief we were told we're going 0:37:42.560 --> 0:37:42.759 to get. 0:37:43.920 --> 0:37:46.560 I think the critical part of that is the when, 0:37:47.080 --> 0:37:53.399 meaning tariffs add to the American overall budget to put 0:37:53.400 --> 0:37:56.120 them in supplicitic we get the money we're collecting. Everyone 0:37:56.160 --> 0:37:57.920 has to pay more for their beads, and they put 0:37:57.920 --> 0:38:00.799 sending money right to the US government. All right, theoretically 0:38:00.840 --> 0:38:04.120 paying down debt, but the when kicks in, so you're 0:38:04.120 --> 0:38:06.759 paying one hundred bucks x percentage of it goes to 0:38:06.840 --> 0:38:10.240 tariffs if it's not US based, goes right to the 0:38:10.360 --> 0:38:13.960 US budget, and thereby you're paying down the budget. Now 0:38:14.000 --> 0:38:16.960 your next question of when, well, most estimates are ten 0:38:17.080 --> 0:38:20.919 years plus, right, So the average consumer has to think 0:38:20.960 --> 0:38:24.960 the when timeline is a little bit off. You know, 0:38:25.000 --> 0:38:27.280 we're not going to see necessarily you're paying a hundred 0:38:27.280 --> 0:38:31.160 bucks and the next week prices magically dropped. Yep. And 0:38:31.239 --> 0:38:34.120 I think the American, the average person you know, can 0:38:36.239 --> 0:38:39.879 can live with this three months, six months, nine months, 0:38:39.920 --> 0:38:42.880 and now we're coming down to nine months of the presidency. 0:38:43.640 --> 0:38:46.640 It's a doubt. See how people look at saying, why 0:38:46.680 --> 0:38:47.840 am I paying this much? Wealthy? 0:38:47.920 --> 0:38:50.080 I get it right, We're not in the town. We've 0:38:50.080 --> 0:38:52.040 seen this before, like the wars and stuff. We just 0:38:52.480 --> 0:38:54.360 you fight America, just go. We'll just hang on for 0:38:54.400 --> 0:38:56.719 a lot longer because we have the attention span of 0:38:56.760 --> 0:38:59.200 a moth, which is pretty much non existing, and we 0:38:59.280 --> 0:39:01.480 just okay, well, look at the midterms and we'll punish 0:39:01.480 --> 0:39:04.239 Republicans because it's not going fast enough, and then a 0:39:04.280 --> 0:39:05.960 Democrat will come in and undo all this stuff and 0:39:06.000 --> 0:39:07.799 start their own policies, and that won't work, and then 0:39:07.840 --> 0:39:10.480 we're back to a Republican and meanwhile, the cost of 0:39:10.520 --> 0:39:13.280 everything is going through the roof. I think in particulars, 0:39:13.280 --> 0:39:15.799 you know Dominic with beef, there are some outliers there 0:39:15.760 --> 0:39:17.720 an addition to tariffs and not just fair to say tarraffs. 0:39:17.719 --> 0:39:20.279 But we had a multi year drought that caused cattle 0:39:20.320 --> 0:39:22.360 herts to shrink. We know that farmers are hit with that, 0:39:22.480 --> 0:39:24.799 and production expenses went up and I think we're down 0:39:24.840 --> 0:39:28.040 by like seven to ten percent. Fewer ranches in America 0:39:28.120 --> 0:39:31.600 number of cattle producing farms, and America's gone down over 0:39:31.640 --> 0:39:34.720 the past several years. We had to stop importing cattle 0:39:34.760 --> 0:39:36.920 from Mexico because of the screw worm, which is a 0:39:36.960 --> 0:39:40.640 parasitic flesh eating maggot, I guess, And so we all 0:39:40.680 --> 0:39:42.560 these factors in addition to the tariff that. 0:39:42.560 --> 0:39:48.000 Doesn't help well, you know the other factor to me economically, 0:39:48.200 --> 0:39:51.520 I am very much the type of thinking. More competition 0:39:51.719 --> 0:39:54.080 gives us more choices. Isn't it great when you go 0:39:54.120 --> 0:39:56.600 when you could say I want to buy Argentinian beef, 0:39:56.680 --> 0:39:58.959 I want to buy a New Zealand lamb or whatever 0:39:58.960 --> 0:40:01.960 you want. The problem with the tariffs is actually we're 0:40:02.040 --> 0:40:06.120 eliminating to other choices For the average consumer. You go 0:40:06.160 --> 0:40:08.280 there and you have to buy whatever is the cheapest 0:40:08.320 --> 0:40:10.760 because you're just trying to make a paycheck at this point. 0:40:11.600 --> 0:40:15.360 That doesn't necessarily help any lucky. But the competition does 0:40:15.480 --> 0:40:19.040 reduce the prices and cause people to say, say, you know, 0:40:19.200 --> 0:40:22.400 let me make the choice and maybe it's equal, and 0:40:22.440 --> 0:40:26.600 you choose Americans, and that's great, right as an argument about. 0:40:26.360 --> 0:40:27.960 That, right, Yeah? And I think the thing is we 0:40:28.480 --> 0:40:31.360 heard that, I guess because of the tariffs America has made, 0:40:31.600 --> 0:40:33.120 I guess, and the taxes and the import tax it 0:40:33.120 --> 0:40:35.879 would be some two hundred million. I forget with the numbers. 0:40:35.920 --> 0:40:38.560 It's a lot of money, but that's not getting sent 0:40:38.600 --> 0:40:40.520 back to the tax for the consumers. It's going to 0:40:40.600 --> 0:40:43.400 you know, the ranchers to not to make offsets and 0:40:43.680 --> 0:40:46.160 other manufacturers get subs to the other countries are getting 0:40:46.160 --> 0:40:48.800 that money back. It's not time to go ar Argentina, 0:40:49.000 --> 0:40:51.279 right right, And none of us coming back to the 0:40:51.280 --> 0:40:55.520 American consumer. Although some good news India. I guess the 0:40:55.600 --> 0:40:57.640 US were close to coming up with a trade deal 0:40:57.680 --> 0:41:00.400 that could cut things from fifty percent down to like 0:41:00.400 --> 0:41:03.000 fifteen percent, which would be huge. How big a dent 0:41:03.120 --> 0:41:05.279 does that make to the consumer? Do we see that? 0:41:07.040 --> 0:41:10.120 I don't think we will because the other other factor 0:41:10.160 --> 0:41:12.560 in all, if you're running a company in America and 0:41:12.640 --> 0:41:15.840 let's say you're not affected by terrffs, but all the 0:41:15.960 --> 0:41:18.759 other prices and now going up by fifty percent, you're 0:41:18.760 --> 0:41:21.040 going to raise your price. I mean, I've spoken to 0:41:21.120 --> 0:41:26.120 many retailers who said, we are American based, and while 0:41:26.160 --> 0:41:29.080 the theory was the tariff, you know, I guess raises 0:41:29.120 --> 0:41:31.720 everyone else's prices and the American is there by cheaper 0:41:31.719 --> 0:41:34.000 and reason up because why am I going to charge 0:41:34.000 --> 0:41:36.759 five bucks when everything else at ten? Because I'm just 0:41:36.760 --> 0:41:38.760 making five bucks more now at this point. I'm raising 0:41:38.760 --> 0:41:40.759 my price from five to ten at that point, and 0:41:40.880 --> 0:41:43.399 the American consumer will take it because all the other 0:41:43.400 --> 0:41:44.600 prices are now right. 0:41:45.520 --> 0:41:47.520 Well at some point of me, you know, we heard 0:41:47.560 --> 0:41:49.439 about the cost Well, we're going to eat the costs. 0:41:49.480 --> 0:41:51.839 Eat the costs. Well, we know now that manufactures because 0:41:51.880 --> 0:41:55.040 the data's out there that said they're passing two thirds 0:41:55.160 --> 0:41:58.600 of stuff out of the consumer. So, but how do 0:41:58.719 --> 0:42:01.000 retail how did they do? You're in the retail business dominic, mistery, 0:42:01.120 --> 0:42:04.040 you know, how do they decide which tariff costs to absorb, 0:42:04.040 --> 0:42:05.360 which wants to pass on the consumers? 0:42:05.480 --> 0:42:05.600 What? 0:42:05.600 --> 0:42:05.880 What? 0:42:05.880 --> 0:42:06.879 What factors in on that? 0:42:07.960 --> 0:42:11.359 I mean, I'm actually not only see r TM next 0:42:11.440 --> 0:42:14.960 is the must board for Engaged three, a pricing company, 0:42:15.360 --> 0:42:18.600 And we have these conversations all the time. It's what 0:42:18.680 --> 0:42:22.200 the consumer wants in the sense that right now you're 0:42:22.200 --> 0:42:27.640 buying all are you going jump to one fifty tomorrow? Probably? 0:42:27.640 --> 0:42:30.960 Now you might switch to vegetables. However, one hundred dollars 0:42:31.000 --> 0:42:33.799 beef for the next six months. Your mindset starts to 0:42:33.800 --> 0:42:37.040 switch and you say, this is normal now and right now. 0:42:37.080 --> 0:42:39.160 If you think we had this mantra of the price 0:42:39.200 --> 0:42:41.160 of eggs, the price of eggs, the price of eggs, 0:42:41.680 --> 0:42:44.719 it's not like the price of eggs is less when 0:42:44.840 --> 0:42:46.960 Trump came to office. Now, I'm not saying that in 0:42:47.000 --> 0:42:51.040 a political sense. I'm saying in a psychological sense. We 0:42:51.040 --> 0:42:54.640 we set as a as a society, we all go, 0:42:55.600 --> 0:43:00.880 this must be normal, there's nothing wrong about it's whatsoever? 0:43:01.400 --> 0:43:05.440 And in fact, well, it isn't down. You know, it's 0:43:05.560 --> 0:43:08.600 roughly where we were a year or two ago. Is that? 0:43:08.800 --> 0:43:12.080 Yeah? And I think that's true, especially in Dominican gas prices. 0:43:12.160 --> 0:43:15.480 Right when when the gas has been low recently, but 0:43:15.600 --> 0:43:17.520 you know, hey, gas is up near for well, hits 0:43:17.520 --> 0:43:20.000 that magic. You know even number four dollars, three fifty 0:43:20.000 --> 0:43:23.200 four dollars gas four dollars agains. This is outrageous. But 0:43:23.239 --> 0:43:25.640 if it drops down to three seventy five, three fifty, 0:43:25.640 --> 0:43:27.480 you're like, oh, okay, gas prices down, but a year 0:43:27.480 --> 0:43:30.359 ago gas was three dollars. Callum, we forget. 0:43:31.320 --> 0:43:34.080 We absolutely do. I mean I'm looking right now, live 0:43:34.160 --> 0:43:36.400 at the price of gas. It has been roughly the 0:43:36.560 --> 0:43:40.919 same and high since twenty twenty when it dipped when 0:43:40.920 --> 0:43:45.040 no one was using gas anyway during COVID. So we 0:43:45.239 --> 0:43:49.160 do say, hooray went from four to three. Horay beef 0:43:49.239 --> 0:43:51.600 is now one hundred, it goes down to ninety. And 0:43:51.680 --> 0:43:54.160 I think we have to almost look and the data 0:43:54.200 --> 0:43:57.000 is there. You can go Google. Everyone on this listening 0:43:57.160 --> 0:43:59.279 now can go immediately Google, look at the price and 0:43:59.440 --> 0:44:04.840 historically states and decide for themselves as voters, is this 0:44:05.080 --> 0:44:07.760 the policies they want and how long? And the answer 0:44:07.800 --> 0:44:11.080 could be yes in certain circumstances. Now to me, I 0:44:11.080 --> 0:44:13.680 will say, in my opinion, I think certain times don't 0:44:13.680 --> 0:44:15.920 make any sense to me in a sense like calling 0:44:16.960 --> 0:44:19.400 the premise being you're going to raise that American industry, 0:44:19.880 --> 0:44:24.279 but there's only one state that makes coffee. Yeah, it's light, right, 0:44:24.400 --> 0:44:29.560 so why stock all others? Gasoline is a good example. 0:44:29.600 --> 0:44:33.719 I don't think we should be limiting resources, and there's 0:44:33.800 --> 0:44:36.759 very few resources. I think as a consumer makes sense 0:44:36.800 --> 0:44:39.640 to limit because it's if limits my choices. I enjoy 0:44:39.719 --> 0:44:42.439 going supermarket and having something different to try today. 0:44:42.520 --> 0:44:44.560 Yeah, well, when by shut down a Keystone pipeline we 0:44:44.600 --> 0:44:46.560 need more of that in the interim. I mean, you know, 0:44:46.640 --> 0:44:48.879 clean energy is great, it's a great goal to have, 0:44:49.040 --> 0:44:50.920 but for the least next hundred years, we're going to 0:44:51.000 --> 0:44:53.399 dependent on fossil fuels. There's just no way around it 0:44:53.680 --> 0:44:56.439 because it's in everything we consume, not just your car, 0:44:56.560 --> 0:44:59.439 but your clothes, your house, your your your coffee cup, 0:44:59.520 --> 0:45:01.759 all this. If it's insane to think that we can 0:45:01.800 --> 0:45:04.239 just slip a switch and make everything green. Dominic miss 0:45:04.239 --> 0:45:07.560 Redino's the CEO of Retail Tech Media and Nexus RTM 0:45:07.560 --> 0:45:11.600 mediaext dot com and uh he is a expert when 0:45:11.600 --> 0:45:14.640 it comes to why stuff costs what it costs in 0:45:14.680 --> 0:45:18.480 the retail environment, and specifically it's starting to I think 0:45:18.480 --> 0:45:20.799 we're starting to see at the checkout timing, what is 0:45:20.800 --> 0:45:23.400 the impact on like Kroger for example, Cincinnati bas Kroger. 0:45:25.480 --> 0:45:28.520 You know, all this comes down back to the consumer 0:45:28.800 --> 0:45:32.040 in the sense that yes, is a question of passing 0:45:32.080 --> 0:45:35.200 it on. But when you're limiting choices, what does the 0:45:35.239 --> 0:45:38.960 consumer say? Generally, the consumer, when the price hit it, 0:45:39.080 --> 0:45:42.360 we'll go into survival mode. So maybe you're not buying 0:45:42.360 --> 0:45:45.040 the organic beats you want to buy. You know, maybe 0:45:45.040 --> 0:45:50.120 you're not buying this specialty localized and they're buying survival. 0:45:50.640 --> 0:45:53.400 So I think the mindset switches to what the consumer needs. 0:45:53.680 --> 0:45:57.960 M what about independent retailers though? What about the little guy. 0:45:59.000 --> 0:46:04.040 That theor to me, if you're the average consumer listening 0:46:04.040 --> 0:46:06.560 on this broadcast and you're thinking yourself, where am I 0:46:06.600 --> 0:46:09.640 going shopping? It's one hundred bucks people have When they 0:46:09.760 --> 0:46:12.719 said that out loud, they're everything once can costco see it, oh, 0:46:12.760 --> 0:46:16.960 buying that. They're not necessarily saying themselves, I'm going to 0:46:17.040 --> 0:46:21.200 go downtown to that specialty butcher to buy that's specialty 0:46:21.640 --> 0:46:25.960 localized XYZ. Not because they don't want to, because the 0:46:26.000 --> 0:46:29.920 price is it's survival of that, you know, for the 0:46:29.960 --> 0:46:31.200 family pay the bill. Yeah. 0:46:31.320 --> 0:46:35.120 Yeah, We've got the holidays coming up. So then there's 0:46:35.120 --> 0:46:37.960 a factor of seasonal planning and holiday inventory. Are we 0:46:38.000 --> 0:46:40.360 going to notice a difference and how much stuff in 0:46:40.400 --> 0:46:42.880 stock is on shelves because you don't want to overbuy, 0:46:43.560 --> 0:46:46.879 you know, on underbuy. And it's a season starting earlier 0:46:46.920 --> 0:46:49.320 and earlier because well, they're going to get their inventory 0:46:49.360 --> 0:46:50.319 and when it's gone, it's gone. 0:46:51.400 --> 0:46:54.120 I tell people the times start earlier for the holiday season. 0:46:54.800 --> 0:46:57.080 I'm already starting to see it. I'm talking to retail thing. 0:46:57.200 --> 0:47:00.399 Our inventory is shifting, we're running out of star more 0:47:00.440 --> 0:47:04.480 often than not, we're hitting those delays. I don't think 0:47:04.520 --> 0:47:06.840 it's necessarily panic as much, and I don't think kients 0:47:06.840 --> 0:47:09.040 ever the right answer. It is planning. It's always planning 0:47:09.040 --> 0:47:10.160 over panic, right. 0:47:12.080 --> 0:47:15.600 Dominic as far as the big picture here, and you 0:47:15.640 --> 0:47:17.759 know the way, Well, we're doing these teriffs because we're 0:47:17.760 --> 0:47:21.560 going to repatriate American jobs. And I mean, are your suppliers, 0:47:21.600 --> 0:47:25.240 are your the companies you represent, are they specifically seeking 0:47:25.360 --> 0:47:29.840 American manufacturers and American trades people to supply them with 0:47:29.880 --> 0:47:34.160 the goods that they need to stock their shelves. 0:47:33.000 --> 0:47:36.360 To be fair, I think the answer, of course is 0:47:36.400 --> 0:47:42.560 it depends chip manufacturers, chemicals dirty that Americans don't want. 0:47:42.840 --> 0:47:45.759 They're not coming back, and nor maybe do we even 0:47:45.840 --> 0:47:47.799 want them to come back. We don't necessarily want our 0:47:47.880 --> 0:47:52.120 kids going into minds, right if we can avoid it. 0:47:53.320 --> 0:47:56.920 That said, if it's something that can be repatriated, but 0:47:57.000 --> 0:47:59.759 you know, you're not getting coffee coming to America anytime soon. 0:48:00.000 --> 0:48:04.120 I'm not building a chick factory for ten years anytime soon. 0:48:04.800 --> 0:48:09.319 Those things are definitely getting limited. So I think, uh, 0:48:09.360 --> 0:48:12.360 you know. One example, I just spoke to an eyeglass company. 0:48:12.719 --> 0:48:16.360 She's like, the only people can make these glasses, specialty, 0:48:16.440 --> 0:48:21.239 high end glasses are in Italy. She's like, I can't 0:48:21.239 --> 0:48:23.520 get a factory. She's like, if I get them to 0:48:23.600 --> 0:48:26.320 even even if I could immigrate them over, which is 0:48:26.320 --> 0:48:30.520 another immigration question. How do I get the specialtiest specialty 0:48:30.560 --> 0:48:32.319 guy who's been doing this for fifty years to come 0:48:32.320 --> 0:48:37.800 to Ohio and train the people on that craft craft 0:48:38.160 --> 0:48:42.600 and artisanship and factories take a there are some that 0:48:42.760 --> 0:48:46.680 might not woodworking, you know, we have there find things 0:48:46.760 --> 0:48:49.960 we do have in America we don't. But when it 0:48:50.000 --> 0:48:54.280 comes to industries that need to be recreated from scratch, 0:48:55.200 --> 0:49:00.560 you hear these factories overseas. We're not going to get 0:49:00.600 --> 0:49:03.520 American workers going in at four dollars an hour anytime soon, 0:49:04.400 --> 0:49:07.600 just not the economics. But they have that instead. 0:49:08.760 --> 0:49:11.960 Yeah, nobody knows where this ends, is the thing and 0:49:12.480 --> 0:49:14.439 what happens over the next year or two years, because 0:49:14.480 --> 0:49:16.600 belts are tightening and I think you know, your your 0:49:16.640 --> 0:49:18.719 retailer see that at the counter, what people are buying 0:49:18.840 --> 0:49:21.640 or not buying. You know, we look at the layoffs 0:49:21.680 --> 0:49:24.120 of companies like P and G, for example here in Cincinnati, 0:49:24.480 --> 0:49:27.319 because they're forward looking, right, they're looking quarters ahead, going, well, 0:49:27.440 --> 0:49:29.480 you know what, people are buying cheaper laundry decrision, or 0:49:29.480 --> 0:49:31.600 they're doing fewer loads of laundry. They'll still buying tide, 0:49:31.640 --> 0:49:34.680 but they're doing fewer loads or trying to cram more 0:49:34.719 --> 0:49:37.560 in their laundry. And so now we have to offset 0:49:37.600 --> 0:49:40.239 that by well, we got to tighten our belts as well. 0:49:40.360 --> 0:49:42.960 So it's it seems like it's slow moving, but it's not, 0:49:43.120 --> 0:49:44.960 and the tariffs are coming on roofs, and longer it 0:49:45.000 --> 0:49:47.279 goes on, we got to start seeing some payoffs at 0:49:47.320 --> 0:49:50.320 some point, otherwise it's just going to be held to 0:49:50.360 --> 0:49:52.800 pay here. I don't know how you can afford ground 0:49:52.840 --> 0:49:55.000 beef at this point for the typical American family. I mean, 0:49:55.000 --> 0:49:57.680 it's my wife and I We do fairly well, but 0:49:58.600 --> 0:50:01.600 family members, our kids are example like, yeah, we can't 0:50:01.600 --> 0:50:04.200 buy we can't afford that anymore. And you start to 0:50:04.280 --> 0:50:06.520 wonder the effect if this how much longer this can 0:50:06.560 --> 0:50:09.840 go on? He's Dominic Misterndino, CEO at Retail Tech Media 0:50:09.840 --> 0:50:14.239 and Nexus Rtmnexus dot com. Dominic always appreciate the insight. 0:50:14.239 --> 0:50:15.439 Thanks again, brother, I appreciate it. 0:50:15.760 --> 0:50:17.080 Thank you very much. We'll talk soon. 0:50:17.160 --> 0:50:20.040 Take care. News on the way in just about four minutes, 0:50:20.080 --> 0:50:21.680 five minutes from now here in the Big one, seven 0:50:21.760 --> 0:50:26.160 hundred WLW back half the week is here at least. Yeah, 0:50:26.239 --> 0:50:28.600 steak is now. It feel like a luxury man. And 0:50:28.640 --> 0:50:30.720 you know, if you go to Jeff Ruby's or Tony's 0:50:30.880 --> 0:50:33.520 or any one of the fine steakhouses in the city 0:50:33.520 --> 0:50:35.000 that were blessed to have, you know, you look at 0:50:35.000 --> 0:50:37.600 some of these prices, you go, wow, that went up like, 0:50:37.680 --> 0:50:40.480 you know, twenty bucks since I last remembered it. Yeah, 0:50:40.520 --> 0:50:42.480 there's a lot of sticker shot going and it's squeezing those 0:50:42.480 --> 0:50:45.239 guys too. So you want to see the worm turn here, 0:50:45.280 --> 0:50:46.879 and you wonder if it ever is going to turn 0:50:46.920 --> 0:50:48.400 at this point. I know nine months is not a 0:50:48.400 --> 0:50:50.640 long time, but for Americans, nine months is a long time. 0:50:51.120 --> 0:50:55.759 Just how it is. Seven hundred WLW. All right, here 0:50:55.760 --> 0:50:59.080 we go with drama in the Natural Basketball Association. 0:51:00.120 --> 0:51:00.360 Re MA. 0:51:00.360 --> 0:51:04.960 Mafia families have ties to some figures NBA players. You've 0:51:04.920 --> 0:51:08.640 got Chauncey Billups, a coach, you got players. It's incredible. 0:51:08.680 --> 0:51:11.799 It's like Tony soprano James Gandelfini has come back to 0:51:11.840 --> 0:51:16.080 life with Polly Walnuts and and the rest of the 0:51:16.120 --> 0:51:20.040 crew from the Sopranos, and like Jersey is representing today 0:51:20.040 --> 0:51:22.759 in the National Basketball Association, that's a huge developing store. 0:51:22.800 --> 0:51:24.080 We're gonna have more in that coming up on the 0:51:24.080 --> 0:51:26.200 show on seven hundred w WIT because I got feeling 0:51:26.480 --> 0:51:29.000 I gonna be wrong about this, but somebody's gonna get whacked. 0:51:29.360 --> 0:51:33.520 Somebody is gonna get whacked. And when whackings breakout, we 0:51:33.600 --> 0:51:38.040 break in here on seven hundred WW slowly and this morning. 0:51:39.040 --> 0:51:40.560 And this affects all of us too. By the way, 0:51:40.560 --> 0:51:42.520 I just tell you a story about the social media 0:51:42.560 --> 0:51:45.320 and how they fed all the clickbait and all this 0:51:45.560 --> 0:51:48.360 nonsense you read on social media into AI chatbots, and 0:51:48.400 --> 0:51:52.040 it actually made aichat Ai dummer and more angry, which 0:51:52.080 --> 0:51:55.040 is it's measurable, and that's computer imagement's doing us. And 0:51:55.640 --> 0:51:57.400 of all the things that keep you awakened, that may 0:51:57.400 --> 0:52:00.160 be one thing. Some sixty to seventy million Americans have 0:52:00.200 --> 0:52:03.920 chronic sleep deprivation. Twenty two of us have sleep apnea. 0:52:03.960 --> 0:52:06.879 Twenty two million people have sleep apnea. Insomnia effects about 0:52:06.880 --> 0:52:08.400 a third of the population. A third of adults in 0:52:08.440 --> 0:52:10.960 four and ten say they often feel or fall asleep 0:52:11.000 --> 0:52:14.840 at work. And if you're a truck driver, that's really concerning. 0:52:15.120 --> 0:52:17.239 Some jobs you probably can get away with. There are 0:52:17.280 --> 0:52:19.799 times where I've admittedly fall asleep during the show and 0:52:19.800 --> 0:52:22.640 no one noticed. But truck drivers that is bad. You're 0:52:22.640 --> 0:52:27.160 flying an airplane. Bad. You're probably in somebody's heart doing surgery. Bad. 0:52:27.640 --> 0:52:32.319 Talk show, not so much. Sonjay Shaiva Crimani's on the 0:52:32.320 --> 0:52:35.000 show this morning is in the air physician at doctor 0:52:35.000 --> 0:52:38.080 Sonja Sinsey with a y or. He intersects the worlds 0:52:38.080 --> 0:52:41.000 of food and health and fitness and jumps in the 0:52:41.000 --> 0:52:42.800 show this morning in studio this morning, how are you 0:52:42.840 --> 0:52:45.279 a coach? How you doing doing well? Thanks for having 0:52:45.280 --> 0:52:48.040 me doing good? Thanks for coming in this morning. Okay, 0:52:48.040 --> 0:52:50.600 so you're an your air physician in Cincinnati, but you're 0:52:50.600 --> 0:52:54.000 also you're in the fitness realm as well. You hear 0:52:54.040 --> 0:52:55.440 the story and you probably see it a lot of 0:52:55.440 --> 0:52:57.520 sleep apnea presents, and we know that you can get 0:52:57.520 --> 0:52:59.960 some very serious illness. You can die from sleep apnia. 0:53:00.480 --> 0:53:03.040 How much how many undiagnosed the twenty two million, how 0:53:03.040 --> 0:53:04.719 many of those you think are undiagnosed, like the bulk 0:53:04.760 --> 0:53:05.120 of them. 0:53:05.280 --> 0:53:07.680 I think it's probably the bulk. So I mean, to 0:53:07.800 --> 0:53:10.800 have the diagnosis, you kind of have to see a doctor, 0:53:10.880 --> 0:53:13.440 have the studies done right right. And some people, you know, 0:53:13.520 --> 0:53:15.239 are just getting slapped in the middle of the night 0:53:15.320 --> 0:53:18.239 by their partner in bed, being like you're snoring, when 0:53:18.280 --> 0:53:21.480 it's actually it's something more serious than that, specifically sleep apnan. 0:53:21.480 --> 0:53:23.760 Or you just go into another bedroom of the couch exactly. 0:53:23.760 --> 0:53:24.319 You can't stand it. 0:53:24.400 --> 0:53:26.399 That's a new thing. It's sleep divorce. Yeah, you've heard 0:53:26.400 --> 0:53:28.520 of this thing. Yeah, yeah, that's a big deal. Yeah, 0:53:28.560 --> 0:53:30.200 so people are starting to do that. But it's not 0:53:30.239 --> 0:53:33.160 like divorcing because of sleep. It's just sleeping in separate areas. 0:53:33.200 --> 0:53:35.759 But that might actually be your clue that maybe there's 0:53:35.800 --> 0:53:38.279 something else going on other than you just can't sleep 0:53:38.360 --> 0:53:40.520 well without the person or you can't stand your partner 0:53:40.640 --> 0:53:41.560 like it could be something worse. 0:53:41.560 --> 0:53:43.359 Well, let's get how much how much of these sleep 0:53:43.400 --> 0:53:45.319 problems that we have in America and affects most all 0:53:45.360 --> 0:53:48.080 of us. I mean, they say get between eight you know, 0:53:48.120 --> 0:53:50.680 eight hours of sleep? Is that an actual goal? Is 0:53:50.680 --> 0:53:52.880 that a hard fast number? Is it different for different people. 0:53:52.880 --> 0:53:55.040 So it's a pretty solid number. So seven to eight 0:53:55.080 --> 0:53:57.880 hours is what we're shooting for. Something less than seven 0:53:58.000 --> 0:54:01.760 does start adding up. In fact, your performance in general 0:54:01.880 --> 0:54:04.600 kind of decreases over time. So I actually went to 0:54:04.640 --> 0:54:08.000 this Ted talk several years ago and the guy said, 0:54:08.040 --> 0:54:10.200 you know, the first four hours of sleep is just 0:54:10.239 --> 0:54:11.240 to restore your body. 0:54:11.400 --> 0:54:13.520 That's all you're doing. You're repairing your body. But the 0:54:13.560 --> 0:54:16.360 next four hours is where your brain regenerates. So like 0:54:16.400 --> 0:54:19.080 all that emotional stuff that you need to face your day, 0:54:19.680 --> 0:54:22.799 you need to face the struggles of your day, the challenges, like, 0:54:22.880 --> 0:54:24.640 that's what you get in the next four hours, and 0:54:24.680 --> 0:54:27.120 you need those next four hours, all of it to 0:54:27.760 --> 0:54:30.279 be your best in those emotional situations. So yeah, we 0:54:30.320 --> 0:54:32.920 can survive, but we are not the best versions of 0:54:32.960 --> 0:54:35.759 ourselves while we're just surviving. If we're getting four to 0:54:35.800 --> 0:54:38.120 six hours of sleep, it's ours seven and eight where 0:54:38.239 --> 0:54:40.200 we really get like the maximum benefit. 0:54:40.320 --> 0:54:42.040 Can you make that up in the weekend when some 0:54:42.080 --> 0:54:44.120 people go working really hard and then I mean, you 0:54:44.200 --> 0:54:46.319 know you're an ear doc, so you were crazy. Do 0:54:46.360 --> 0:54:49.120 you sleep for like twelve hours? Is that? Can you? 0:54:49.200 --> 0:54:51.680 That would be a healthy right? Yeah? Excuse the pun. 0:54:52.080 --> 0:54:54.239 If you could do that like a college. 0:54:54.440 --> 0:54:57.279 So the whole idea of like banking sleep and getting it, 0:54:57.480 --> 0:54:59.600 there's there's a little bit of benefit there, but it's 0:54:59.680 --> 0:55:01.440 not as much as we think. It's the it's the 0:55:01.560 --> 0:55:03.799 daily kind of thing we need to get and this 0:55:03.840 --> 0:55:05.920 is one of those Yeah, you just nailed it. Like 0:55:05.960 --> 0:55:09.120 as an er doc, my my schedule is crazy. It's days, 0:55:09.160 --> 0:55:11.680 it's nights, it's weekends, it's all over the place. And 0:55:11.719 --> 0:55:15.160 so that's why I hold sleep such in such importance 0:55:15.200 --> 0:55:17.920 in my life because it's it's not good, but it 0:55:18.000 --> 0:55:21.520 is literally the foundation of my well being and everything else. 0:55:21.600 --> 0:55:23.879 It is the number one thing. And you can ask 0:55:23.920 --> 0:55:27.759 my fiance. I'm almost obsessive about my sleep, but I 0:55:27.880 --> 0:55:30.640 need to be because it's thrown off so often that 0:55:30.680 --> 0:55:32.799 I have to do whatever I can to maximize it 0:55:32.840 --> 0:55:34.520 so I can be my best in every. 0:55:34.360 --> 0:55:35.879 Realm in my life. And it's more like a shift 0:55:35.920 --> 0:55:37.520 work because you're you know, you're not, hey, I'm not 0:55:37.680 --> 0:55:39.680 nine to five er doc. No, it's where they need 0:55:39.719 --> 0:55:42.160 you in different times and for twelve hours of a time, 0:55:42.239 --> 0:55:44.680 right or maybe longer in some cases. But that's true 0:55:44.719 --> 0:55:46.520 for a lot of people who work second third shift, 0:55:46.520 --> 0:55:48.080 they wrotetate cops do that, right. 0:55:48.000 --> 0:55:50.120 Yeah, And and it affects you over time. A lot 0:55:50.120 --> 0:55:52.680 of people love working nights for for good reason. It's 0:55:52.760 --> 0:55:56.400 usually a cooler vibe, right, But turning around or sleeping 0:55:56.440 --> 0:55:58.080 during the day, it's just not what our bodies were 0:55:58.120 --> 0:56:00.319 built to do. And over time that where on us. 0:56:00.320 --> 0:56:02.040 I mean, there's studies out there that you know, if 0:56:02.080 --> 0:56:04.319 you're if you're a night shift worker, you literally die 0:56:04.360 --> 0:56:07.000 earlier than people who work dacious, right. And I've known 0:56:07.040 --> 0:56:09.160 this my entire career, and I'm just like, oh, I 0:56:09.239 --> 0:56:11.520 just accept it, and now I'm doing what i can 0:56:11.640 --> 0:56:13.680 to like die a little later, I guess. 0:56:13.680 --> 0:56:15.960 But it's yeah, well you know what I mean. Look, 0:56:15.960 --> 0:56:17.200 we're going to at a time a year now, son 0:56:17.280 --> 0:56:19.080 Jay where you don't see the sun, and if you 0:56:19.120 --> 0:56:22.120 work thirds, like I did that for a while, you 0:56:22.200 --> 0:56:24.759 literally you don't see the sun at all ever. Yeah, 0:56:24.880 --> 0:56:26.440 and we know that has a big, big effect on 0:56:26.560 --> 0:56:27.800 the sleep cycle or Katie. 0:56:27.600 --> 0:56:30.520 Rhythms exactly, so like when when you wake up. So 0:56:30.560 --> 0:56:33.080 the whole thing is people oftentimes say watch your blue 0:56:33.120 --> 0:56:35.000 light at night before you go to bed, and that's 0:56:35.000 --> 0:56:37.040 a that's a whole thing, or being exposed to light 0:56:37.120 --> 0:56:39.160 in the last couple hours before you go to bed, 0:56:39.400 --> 0:56:42.680 but they're actually finding Also the morning time daylight is 0:56:42.719 --> 0:56:44.920 really important, so like within an hour, getting ten to 0:56:44.920 --> 0:56:47.520 fifteen minutes of light exposure in that hour. But if 0:56:47.560 --> 0:56:50.759 it's dark outside, if you got one of the Cincinnati winters, 0:56:51.040 --> 0:56:53.359 you're not going to see this the sun necessarily if 0:56:53.360 --> 0:56:56.600 you're sleeping all day. And so it does affect the 0:56:56.680 --> 0:56:59.319 night shift workers over time, and it initially you may 0:56:59.320 --> 0:57:01.480 not feel it if you're young, but as we get older, 0:57:01.480 --> 0:57:02.680 it really starts adding up. 0:57:02.760 --> 0:57:04.400 What about one of those happy lights. I've got one 0:57:04.400 --> 0:57:06.719 of those, I don't know. In the winter, sometimes I'll 0:57:06.719 --> 0:57:08.640 plug it in at my desk or whatever and it 0:57:08.680 --> 0:57:10.600 throws out simulates the sun. Does that work? Does that 0:57:10.600 --> 0:57:11.040 do anything? 0:57:11.080 --> 0:57:13.520 It's something. It does a little something. It's not as 0:57:13.560 --> 0:57:16.160 great as being out in nature being exposed to the 0:57:16.520 --> 0:57:18.240 to the elements, but at the same time, you'd be 0:57:18.240 --> 0:57:20.920 exposing yourself to the elements. And so it's like fifteen 0:57:20.960 --> 0:57:23.680 degrees outside. Hell yeah, go right, go hit the light. 0:57:24.040 --> 0:57:25.520 Why do we do this? I mean you just hit 0:57:25.600 --> 0:57:28.120 on two things. You want that sunlight, that natural sunlight 0:57:28.120 --> 0:57:30.200 early in the morning. Why not make an alarm clock 0:57:30.200 --> 0:57:31.440 that has a light hooked up to it and it 0:57:31.480 --> 0:57:33.840 gradually comes on and lights up the room? What about that? 0:57:34.080 --> 0:57:37.040 It's got your billion dollar idea has already been invented 0:57:37.280 --> 0:57:38.200 over and over again. 0:57:38.320 --> 0:57:42.440 But I had something again, But no, it exists. 0:57:42.480 --> 0:57:44.560 I forget the brand names for it, but they definitely exist, 0:57:44.640 --> 0:57:47.080 and they slowly come on, slowly wake you up, and 0:57:47.120 --> 0:57:50.560 I'll tell you, the smallest shred of light will have 0:57:50.720 --> 0:57:53.439 me up and eyes open. So like, it's not great 0:57:53.480 --> 0:57:55.200 for me, but it works for some people. 0:57:55.600 --> 0:57:57.560 Sanjay Shave of Krimani's on the show. He's in our 0:57:57.600 --> 0:58:02.400 physician at Doctor Sanjay's and an expert in fitness and 0:58:02.440 --> 0:58:04.480 food and health and fit. We're talking about sleep this morning, 0:58:05.000 --> 0:58:06.680 which is a big deal. Most of us don't get 0:58:06.680 --> 0:58:09.080 the necessary seven to eight hours if you're getting sad. 0:58:09.120 --> 0:58:11.400 I'm like a seven guy myself, so I think I'm okay. 0:58:11.400 --> 0:58:13.360 But I noticed too, the older you get, you wake 0:58:13.440 --> 0:58:14.560 up in the middle of the night and you're up 0:58:14.600 --> 0:58:16.080 for like two or three hour it feels like you're 0:58:16.120 --> 0:58:18.480 up for hours, right, yeah, what is that? Why has 0:58:18.520 --> 0:58:18.960 that happened? 0:58:19.120 --> 0:58:23.360 So the brain starts getting I mean you're just getting old, Sloan, 0:58:23.480 --> 0:58:25.800 that's what it is. So your your brain starts. 0:58:25.480 --> 0:58:27.640 Telling me about it because I'm limping around the studio 0:58:27.680 --> 0:58:29.800 just getting off crutches. Yeah, no, kidd and thanks. You 0:58:29.840 --> 0:58:32.360 and me both are broken aples shop jel. It's fine. 0:58:33.120 --> 0:58:36.120 But overtime, so when we're young, our brain knows what 0:58:36.160 --> 0:58:38.840 to do, and over time our brain kind of forgets 0:58:38.840 --> 0:58:40.760 what to do and how to sync with the cycle 0:58:40.880 --> 0:58:42.880 of life. That's what That's what the current thought is. 0:58:42.960 --> 0:58:45.640 So as we get older, our brain's like, oh, it's 0:58:45.760 --> 0:58:47.520 the middle of the night, maybe I'm supposed to be 0:58:47.600 --> 0:58:49.720 awake right now, as opposed to our younger brain that 0:58:49.920 --> 0:58:51.960 is smarter. So yeah, we're just getting dark. It's dumb, 0:58:52.040 --> 0:58:52.560 and here we are. 0:58:52.680 --> 0:58:54.560 I thought it was something to it, like I'm so 0:58:54.600 --> 0:58:56.520 efficient at sleep. I only need four or five hours 0:58:56.560 --> 0:58:58.360 and I wake up and I awake for two or three. 0:58:58.840 --> 0:59:01.800 But I remember seeing something sign Jay years ago, a 0:59:01.840 --> 0:59:05.200 fascinating story about the history of sleep in how screwed 0:59:05.280 --> 0:59:08.240 up we got when electricity came on and you know, 0:59:08.320 --> 0:59:09.960 candlelight things like because it used to be hey, you 0:59:10.000 --> 0:59:11.440 and sun goes down the fire go to bed at 0:59:11.480 --> 0:59:13.760 five o'clock and then get up in the but people 0:59:13.760 --> 0:59:17.040 would sleep for four hours, get up, they'd make babies, 0:59:17.120 --> 0:59:19.360 they get the stuff ready to eat the next day, 0:59:20.240 --> 0:59:22.760 get some firewood going, and then they go to bed. 0:59:22.800 --> 0:59:23.800 They'd be up for a few hours and then go 0:59:23.840 --> 0:59:27.800 to bed for So because human history is a relatively 0:59:27.840 --> 0:59:30.560 small sliver of our existence, so modern history we're talking 0:59:30.560 --> 0:59:33.720 about here, we're like genetically wire to wake up in 0:59:33.800 --> 0:59:37.520 the middle of the night to some degree somewhat. 0:59:37.560 --> 0:59:39.640 I mean, we don't have a lot of evidence of 0:59:39.680 --> 0:59:41.800 all that stuff, but I'll tell you that. Like, what 0:59:41.840 --> 0:59:45.120 we've also found is different cultures need different amount of sleep. 0:59:45.160 --> 0:59:48.120 So like we say we need seven eight hours as humans, 0:59:48.360 --> 0:59:50.160 but it's actually kind of an American state. I don't 0:59:50.160 --> 0:59:52.800 know what other countries there are, but some countries actually 0:59:52.840 --> 0:59:57.280 require less sleep and you're okay, you're actually thriving at sex. 0:59:57.960 --> 0:59:58.760 So it's kind of weird. 0:59:58.800 --> 1:00:00.760 So maybe that was a different culture back then too, 1:00:00.800 --> 1:00:03.080 where you needed less sleep or needed to sleep in 1:00:03.080 --> 1:00:05.200 the middle of the day. But you know, like European 1:00:05.240 --> 1:00:09.320 culture with the siesta and everything that also works for them, 1:00:09.560 --> 1:00:13.440 and so it depends. But the kind of cumulative amount 1:00:13.520 --> 1:00:16.040 you need is seven or eight in today's world for 1:00:16.080 --> 1:00:19.000 the most part, now that we're all becoming semi one 1:00:19.000 --> 1:00:21.240 culture because we're all plugged into the same stuff. 1:00:21.040 --> 1:00:22.960 Right right, Okay, now that makes a lot of sense. 1:00:24.040 --> 1:00:26.320 So we're also told, hey, you know you need a 1:00:26.320 --> 1:00:29.280 ten thousand dollars mattress that cools and heats you unless 1:00:29.280 --> 1:00:31.040 you up and down all that stuff to get the 1:00:31.040 --> 1:00:32.120 best nice sleep in your life? 1:00:32.240 --> 1:00:33.800 Is that just marketing? Is are some truth in that? 1:00:34.040 --> 1:00:36.840 There's definitely truth to it. I think you know, you 1:00:36.960 --> 1:00:40.520 got mattresses, you got supplements, you got all the other 1:00:40.600 --> 1:00:44.520 things out there. Mattress is important. I mean I definitely 1:00:44.560 --> 1:00:47.640 invested in a good mattress and a good pillow. But 1:00:47.640 --> 1:00:50.760 there's other things you can do, and specifically, you know, 1:00:50.880 --> 1:00:53.680 temperature of your room, which a lot of people don't 1:00:53.720 --> 1:00:56.800 key in on. It's the light that we just talked about. 1:00:56.880 --> 1:00:59.520 And then it's consistency of sleep schedule, which coming from me, 1:01:00.120 --> 1:01:01.880 I mean, do as I say, not as I do 1:01:01.920 --> 1:01:05.280 on that one, because I literally can't. But the the 1:01:05.360 --> 1:01:08.520 mattress quality is important. I mean, if you're if you're 1:01:08.800 --> 1:01:11.560 sleeping on a bed of rocks and that's something new 1:01:11.600 --> 1:01:13.640 to you, it's not gonna it's not gonna turn out well. 1:01:13.640 --> 1:01:16.520 If you toss and turn son, Jay, is that indicating 1:01:16.520 --> 1:01:18.480 indicating you a bad night's sleep or is it just 1:01:18.520 --> 1:01:20.240 your toster return because I'm a toster turn. 1:01:20.280 --> 1:01:22.280 So are you a tosser and turner all night or 1:01:22.320 --> 1:01:24.160 is it a tosser and turner intermittently? 1:01:24.240 --> 1:01:26.640 I have no idea. I'm sleeping. Yeah, what I know. 1:01:27.640 --> 1:01:31.520 You're the doctor and tell me I asked a really 1:01:31.560 --> 1:01:34.479 good questions. Yeah, you definitely, you're flipping all over the place. 1:01:34.640 --> 1:01:37.360 So, so you know, our body goes through the cycles 1:01:37.400 --> 1:01:39.280 of sleep, and you know, we're light sleep, then we're 1:01:39.320 --> 1:01:41.880 deep sleep, and then there's the REM cycle where our 1:01:42.400 --> 1:01:44.840 brain goes a little wild. That's when our dreams happen. 1:01:45.200 --> 1:01:47.720 And as we go on further in the night, typically 1:01:47.760 --> 1:01:50.280 if we're if we're healthy, we'll have more and more 1:01:50.280 --> 1:01:53.160 REM cycles as the night goes on. And so it's 1:01:53.160 --> 1:01:55.640 not atypical for you to be tossing and turning, especially 1:01:55.680 --> 1:01:57.880 like between if you're sleeping from eleven to seven, from 1:01:57.880 --> 1:01:59.560 three to seven, you're probably going to be tossing more 1:01:59.600 --> 1:02:01.880 because you toss more with your dreams because your brain's 1:02:01.920 --> 1:02:04.560 a little restless. And doing all the rem things that 1:02:04.560 --> 1:02:06.320 it needs to do and having all the dreams. 1:02:06.360 --> 1:02:07.680 Yeah, it seems I wake up, it'll be like a 1:02:07.720 --> 1:02:09.320 solid four hours and you wake up and then you 1:02:09.440 --> 1:02:10.880 go to the bathroom or whatever. And that's the other 1:02:10.920 --> 1:02:12.400 thing too, is you get older, you tend to go 1:02:12.440 --> 1:02:13.160 to the bathroom more. 1:02:13.320 --> 1:02:16.040 Yeah, it's it's all you know, you and I, I 1:02:16.040 --> 1:02:18.280 mean for the whole my part where we're definitely the 1:02:18.280 --> 1:02:21.320 four hour wake up guys now and it doesn't matter 1:02:21.360 --> 1:02:23.520 what I do. And and now are their ankle bros. 1:02:23.560 --> 1:02:25.680 You know, with with those injuries. I have a little 1:02:25.720 --> 1:02:27.520 more swelling in my ankle now than I used to. 1:02:27.880 --> 1:02:30.080 And so that just that's what goes in the middle 1:02:30.080 --> 1:02:30.479 of the night. 1:02:30.400 --> 1:02:32.080 Wake up and go Should you just get up? If 1:02:32.120 --> 1:02:34.040 it's like, Okay, I'm wide awake, I feel good, Should 1:02:34.040 --> 1:02:35.560 I just go up and do something and then come 1:02:35.600 --> 1:02:37.480 back to bed later. So it's a great point you 1:02:37.560 --> 1:02:37.880 makes it on. 1:02:38.080 --> 1:02:39.640 So a lot of people are like, oh, I'm just 1:02:39.640 --> 1:02:41.320 gonna stay in bed, I'm gonna I'm gonna sleep, I'm 1:02:41.320 --> 1:02:43.320 gonna sleep, I'm gonna sleep, I'm gonna get back to sleep. 1:02:43.680 --> 1:02:45.520 But one of the best things you can do sometimes 1:02:45.560 --> 1:02:48.680 is get up and move around and change your environment 1:02:48.800 --> 1:02:50.360 just for a little bit and come back to bed. 1:02:50.440 --> 1:02:53.439 You don't want to necessarily like play a video game 1:02:53.520 --> 1:02:56.200 or look at a screen or maybe even even look 1:02:56.200 --> 1:02:57.960 at an eeater. You just kind of want to move 1:02:58.000 --> 1:03:00.320 your environment a little bit, don't eat, don't drink a thing, 1:03:00.640 --> 1:03:02.600 but just move a little bit, come back to bed 1:03:02.640 --> 1:03:05.040 and try again as opposed to just willing it to 1:03:05.080 --> 1:03:08.200 be just lying in bed, because when we force something 1:03:08.280 --> 1:03:09.840 like that, it just never turns out good. 1:03:10.000 --> 1:03:13.480 Yeah, Sonja Shava Karani is on his e our physician, 1:03:13.680 --> 1:03:16.520 and we're talking about health and fitness and well and sleep. 1:03:16.560 --> 1:03:19.000 It is a big thing. Especially we're going to have 1:03:19.440 --> 1:03:21.720 the time change here in a little bit. That always 1:03:21.720 --> 1:03:22.560 screws people up. 1:03:22.800 --> 1:03:23.000 Yep. 1:03:23.480 --> 1:03:25.480 You know, our gain, our lost whatever. But at the 1:03:25.560 --> 1:03:27.200 end of the day, your body still has to adjust 1:03:27.200 --> 1:03:29.240 to these whole things. And you may be getting up 1:03:29.240 --> 1:03:30.840 in the middle of the night and you're tossing and turning. 1:03:30.840 --> 1:03:32.400 What does that mean to I need a better mattress. 1:03:32.440 --> 1:03:34.880 Is the room comfortable? These things? And I'll come full 1:03:34.920 --> 1:03:36.960 circle on this because we were talking about how social 1:03:37.000 --> 1:03:39.440 media pollutes the brain, and they tested with AI and 1:03:39.480 --> 1:03:42.120 it it's making AI dumber. If they feeded a steady 1:03:42.200 --> 1:03:45.240 dyet a clickbait, what does that say about me and you? 1:03:45.760 --> 1:03:47.680 I think that's the other thing is do most people 1:03:47.720 --> 1:03:50.080 who is you know, we talked about sleep apnean, We've 1:03:50.120 --> 1:03:52.040 talked about other reasons why people don't get a good 1:03:52.120 --> 1:03:54.360 night's sleep, But how much of this is by you know, 1:03:54.440 --> 1:03:57.840 just life baggage? You know, we're consuming news, we're online 1:03:57.880 --> 1:03:59.400 and reading all this stuff, and then you wake up 1:03:59.440 --> 1:04:01.120 and you start thinking about it, and then you have 1:04:01.200 --> 1:04:04.600 this fear and you start getting this cycle, this mental cycle, 1:04:04.800 --> 1:04:06.440 and now all of a sudden, that's where the I 1:04:06.480 --> 1:04:08.280 would say, you know, nighttime, that's when the demons come 1:04:08.320 --> 1:04:10.160 out in your head when it's quiet and you start 1:04:10.200 --> 1:04:12.880 thinking fatalist things and horrible things. And how do you 1:04:12.880 --> 1:04:14.960 break that cycle? And how much does that contribute to 1:04:14.960 --> 1:04:15.560 what we're talking about? 1:04:15.560 --> 1:04:18.480 It is a great question because the two things that 1:04:18.520 --> 1:04:20.640 we're keying in on here is one the use of 1:04:20.680 --> 1:04:23.240 the phone in general. So you have blue light, you know, 1:04:23.280 --> 1:04:25.880 shooting into your eyeballs and it's waking up your brain 1:04:26.400 --> 1:04:28.560 while you're using it, and so we really want to 1:04:28.840 --> 1:04:32.080 turn that off literally at least one hour before bed 1:04:32.680 --> 1:04:36.320 with any like any device, tablets, phones, et cetera, to 1:04:36.520 --> 1:04:38.400 allow our brains to rest a little bit. And then 1:04:38.400 --> 1:04:40.240 you have the issue of well, the content of that 1:04:40.520 --> 1:04:42.520 and what it's doing to you and adding to your 1:04:42.520 --> 1:04:45.560 stress and anxiety, especially taking in world events, et cetera, 1:04:45.640 --> 1:04:48.360 but maybe even your own personal stuff. Right, your brain's 1:04:48.400 --> 1:04:50.400 just going and it is hard to calm down. And 1:04:50.440 --> 1:04:52.240 a lot of people say, you know, I got to 1:04:52.320 --> 1:04:54.200 read before I go to bed, or I got to 1:04:54.200 --> 1:04:55.600 get my news in before I go to bed, and 1:04:55.640 --> 1:04:58.840 it's actually working for me. You've probably conditioned your brain, 1:04:59.040 --> 1:05:01.480 like watching TV before bed, which a lot of people do. 1:05:01.560 --> 1:05:04.080 I'm my best friend falls asleep watching TV every night. 1:05:04.720 --> 1:05:06.800 You probably condition your brain to say, oh, that's the TV. 1:05:06.880 --> 1:05:08.480 I'm going to go to sleep now, okay, right, but 1:05:08.560 --> 1:05:10.600 you're not going to get good sleep, so your brain's 1:05:10.640 --> 1:05:13.160 going to be kind of still going with all of 1:05:13.200 --> 1:05:16.320 that stuff, still processing it, and then you know, you'll 1:05:16.320 --> 1:05:18.080 have one of those middle of the night wake ups, 1:05:18.080 --> 1:05:20.760 like you're talking about everything's quiet, and that's the time 1:05:20.800 --> 1:05:23.280 when your brain shows up and has a party, and 1:05:23.320 --> 1:05:25.640 so it's really hard to fall asleep when there's stuff. 1:05:25.720 --> 1:05:27.880 You know, when you're taking in stuff right before you 1:05:27.880 --> 1:05:28.280 go to bed. 1:05:28.360 --> 1:05:30.360 You should tell my wife this because she'll sit there 1:05:30.360 --> 1:05:32.760 and scroll TikTok for like an hour, yeah, and then 1:05:32.840 --> 1:05:35.680 go put it down, and she's sleeping in thirty seconds 1:05:35.720 --> 1:05:37.040 and sleeps with straight eight hours. 1:05:37.240 --> 1:05:40.439 I mean, there's superhumans among us. They're superhumans out there, 1:05:40.520 --> 1:05:42.200 and I am definitely not one of them. 1:05:42.640 --> 1:05:44.720 I can't, I can't. I get my iPad. But I'm 1:05:44.760 --> 1:05:47.400 reading a book, yeah, you know, and something that's like history, 1:05:47.480 --> 1:05:49.920 or I'm reading a book about George Remis from Cincinnati 1:05:49.960 --> 1:05:52.040 here of all things. And yeah, it takes you know, 1:05:52.080 --> 1:05:53.800 for me, I read like a half a chapter and 1:05:53.840 --> 1:05:56.400 fall asleep. So I try to find boring topics and 1:05:56.720 --> 1:05:58.120 things like that and not to get all worked up 1:05:58.120 --> 1:05:58.800 and just you know, falls. 1:05:59.120 --> 1:06:01.280 There's two ways of as far as content goes. So 1:06:01.360 --> 1:06:04.800 my fiance was reading this boring book and literally she 1:06:04.880 --> 1:06:07.880 read two lines every night and she out and it was, 1:06:08.040 --> 1:06:12.560 you know, it was this like really scientific book. And 1:06:14.280 --> 1:06:17.240 but I I prefer actually reading fiction on a on 1:06:17.360 --> 1:06:19.439 like a Kindle e reader, so you get a little 1:06:19.520 --> 1:06:21.840 less blue light coming out, but there's still some lights 1:06:21.880 --> 1:06:24.200 are out. And I read fiction because it just sends 1:06:24.240 --> 1:06:25.680 me into like fantasy. 1:06:25.240 --> 1:06:28.280 World and I'm in a dream zone. Now. 1:06:28.440 --> 1:06:30.800 Some people will say that e readers do admit, well, 1:06:30.840 --> 1:06:33.480 they do. They emit some light, so you're kind of 1:06:33.560 --> 1:06:36.040 affecting yourself a little bit. So, but you know what's 1:06:36.080 --> 1:06:37.320 the other way you're going to do it is have 1:06:37.360 --> 1:06:39.360 a light above your head right, and that's hitting them 1:06:39.400 --> 1:06:41.080 book and now it's hitting your eyebo. 1:06:41.200 --> 1:06:43.080 Like the dark background with the light white light right 1:06:43.160 --> 1:06:44.960 is exactly like that's that mode or whatever. 1:06:45.080 --> 1:06:46.960 You definitely want nightmode if you're using like one of 1:06:46.960 --> 1:06:50.000 those fancy tablets e readers as opposed to like the kindle. 1:06:50.280 --> 1:06:51.800 You know, where are you on melatonin? 1:06:53.080 --> 1:06:56.720 I So I think we're using too much melotone? So 1:06:56.760 --> 1:07:00.280 the effective dose is like this zero point three zero 1:07:00.360 --> 1:07:04.040 point five literally and people are dropping like twenty milligrams 1:07:04.040 --> 1:07:06.480 a night, and you know it's okay. There you get 1:07:06.520 --> 1:07:09.640 to a plateau point where it's just not as effective. 1:07:09.720 --> 1:07:12.960 So what melatonin does for us is it says it's nighttime, 1:07:13.280 --> 1:07:15.240 and that's all it does. It doesn't say I'm going 1:07:15.320 --> 1:07:17.200 to keep you asleep or anything like that. It just 1:07:17.240 --> 1:07:20.160 sets your clock and says it's nighttime. Great for like 1:07:20.520 --> 1:07:23.320 if you've been working nights or if your sleep's been 1:07:23.360 --> 1:07:25.760 off a little bit, just to use sparingly every now 1:07:25.840 --> 1:07:29.040 and then. Now I use melotone in kind of a 1:07:29.120 --> 1:07:34.280 combination with a couple other things a couple of times, 1:07:34.320 --> 1:07:37.080 maybe one or two times a week, but it's usually 1:07:37.120 --> 1:07:39.320 when I'm flipping or I haven't had a good sleep 1:07:39.360 --> 1:07:41.200 and my body's just thrown off for a wheit. 1:07:41.280 --> 1:07:41.560 It's fine. 1:07:41.560 --> 1:07:43.680 I'm more frequent than that. I probably should back it up, 1:07:43.680 --> 1:07:45.160 but I but again, I've noticed so I take like 1:07:45.280 --> 1:07:47.560 it's like a three milligram trouble that was too much 1:07:47.560 --> 1:07:50.000 for me. I would I like take a third of that? Yeah? 1:07:50.080 --> 1:07:52.440 And where'd you feel it was too much? What time 1:07:52.480 --> 1:07:53.800 of the day? Like I don't know, Like I didn't 1:07:53.800 --> 1:07:56.760 want to wake up, Like I don't feel rested, Like 1:07:56.840 --> 1:07:58.400 maybe it's too much of this stuff. Yeah. 1:07:58.480 --> 1:08:01.960 I so I've about a twelve hour period that I 1:08:02.000 --> 1:08:04.800 have to give myself where I'm going to be awake again. Yeah, 1:08:04.840 --> 1:08:06.520 because I'm going to be groggy as hell if I 1:08:06.600 --> 1:08:08.680 take something even one and a half milligrams, I'm going 1:08:08.720 --> 1:08:10.200 to be groggy afterwards. So you kind of want to 1:08:10.200 --> 1:08:12.280 take it a little bit earlier. Now the packaging will 1:08:12.320 --> 1:08:15.000 say twenty to thirty minutes before you sleep. I give 1:08:15.000 --> 1:08:16.559 myself a little more time if I'm only going to 1:08:16.560 --> 1:08:17.439 be sleeping eight hours. 1:08:17.520 --> 1:08:19.320 Yeah, yeah, now you really want to sleep? You know 1:08:19.520 --> 1:08:22.280 some some Nike will four or five of those talamol 1:08:22.360 --> 1:08:25.080 pms and a half a like a fifth of Jim Beaman. 1:08:25.120 --> 1:08:28.120 You're good. You sleep like not doctor baby, like a baby. 1:08:28.160 --> 1:08:32.479 That's just all right, doctor Sonjay. He's our physician health 1:08:32.520 --> 1:08:35.599 food fitness at doctor Sanjay Sinci with why two wis 1:08:35.640 --> 1:08:37.920 and there and thanks for coming in to this man, 1:08:37.960 --> 1:08:40.200 It's great to talk to you. I the I love 1:08:40.200 --> 1:08:42.960 the intersection of medicine and health and just common sense 1:08:43.040 --> 1:08:45.200 kind of stuff there. Yeah, I appreciate the timesloan. 1:08:45.320 --> 1:08:47.680 It's just it is all one to me, and it 1:08:47.760 --> 1:08:50.200 all kind of feeds into each other back and forth. 1:08:50.280 --> 1:08:53.240 You know, having a better life while you're awake will 1:08:53.360 --> 1:08:56.799 make you sleep better versus. Yeah, so it's all health. 1:08:56.600 --> 1:08:57.960 To me, all right. Goodness, So whether that's not the 1:08:57.960 --> 1:09:00.360 regular I think anyway, Doctor Sanjay, thanks again. We got 1:09:00.360 --> 1:09:02.479 to get to a news update. The NBA has apparently 1:09:02.520 --> 1:09:06.000 falling apart. We have the mobsters, my people, Lakos on Ostra, 1:09:06.320 --> 1:09:09.360 Tony Soprano, all those guys involved in the NBA. What 1:09:09.840 --> 1:09:12.720 details seconds away here seven hundred ww Cincinnati. 1:09:12.760 --> 1:09:14.000 You want to be an. 1:09:13.800 --> 1:09:17.439 Americano, I'm flowing in with you this morning got seven 1:09:17.479 --> 1:09:20.080 hundred WUWT. Somebody asked the question, I don't know who 1:09:20.120 --> 1:09:24.120 it was. Why has the price of hospital services gone 1:09:24.160 --> 1:09:28.080 up two hundred and twenty percent? I said two hundred 1:09:28.120 --> 1:09:31.360 and twenty percent since two thousand and that is roughly 1:09:31.520 --> 1:09:35.040 what four times faster than inflation. There's a group called 1:09:35.080 --> 1:09:37.759 Hospital Facts at Org. They launched an initiative to figure 1:09:37.800 --> 1:09:40.360 out why. And they think it's waste, its fraud, its 1:09:40.400 --> 1:09:44.040 abuse at at hospital. Jerry Rogers is here. Jerry's with 1:09:44.160 --> 1:09:47.000 a Real Clear Health, part of the Real Clear system. Jerry, 1:09:47.000 --> 1:09:47.960 welcome to the show. How are you. 1:09:48.960 --> 1:09:51.160 I I'm blessed, I'm good. 1:09:51.320 --> 1:09:54.040 You know, it's it's not just waste, fraud and abuse 1:09:54.120 --> 1:09:58.560 with the hospitals. It's it's bad policy, it's bad business, 1:09:58.800 --> 1:10:04.639 it's ban health. It's at science because hospitals aren't part 1:10:04.720 --> 1:10:07.840 of the discussion. In terms of the healthcare system. We 1:10:07.920 --> 1:10:12.000 hear much about big big band pharmo. We hear about 1:10:12.360 --> 1:10:15.200 the insurance companies and all the rest of it, but 1:10:15.439 --> 1:10:20.719 the hospital costs are breaking the budget. Americans spend well 1:10:20.760 --> 1:10:24.400 over a trillion dollars on hospital costs and the reasons 1:10:24.479 --> 1:10:27.040 besides the fact that no one ever discusses them in 1:10:27.120 --> 1:10:30.679 terms of Medicaid cuts, the healthcare systems, all the rest. 1:10:31.000 --> 1:10:34.840 But it's also because of hospital consolidation, because there's no 1:10:34.960 --> 1:10:38.519 transparency in pricing, the list of pricing when you go 1:10:38.600 --> 1:10:42.120 imagine going to the grocery store and nothing, no price 1:10:42.240 --> 1:10:42.679 is listed. 1:10:43.920 --> 1:10:45.559 This is what we have in our hospital system. 1:10:45.560 --> 1:10:48.479 And of course also you know, we have this it's 1:10:48.479 --> 1:10:53.400 called site neutral payment reform, which would fix the fact 1:10:53.640 --> 1:10:56.000 that if you go to a hospital for a Medicare. 1:10:57.080 --> 1:10:58.960 Procedure, get a shot. 1:10:58.720 --> 1:11:01.800 Whatever it might be, costs more in the hospital than 1:11:01.840 --> 1:11:05.200 it does the doctor's office because hospitals are fee for service, 1:11:05.520 --> 1:11:10.640 so it's in their best economic interest to uh just 1:11:11.880 --> 1:11:16.040 make the charges skyrocket for individual tests and therapies. 1:11:16.240 --> 1:11:16.400 Yeah. 1:11:16.439 --> 1:11:18.160 I think that's a good point because in the past 1:11:18.160 --> 1:11:21.080 I've talked about, you know, pharmaceutical companies which certainly deserve 1:11:21.160 --> 1:11:23.000 to get their investment back on R and D, and 1:11:23.040 --> 1:11:26.320 I have you know, I look at big pharma pharmaceutical companies, go, 1:11:26.439 --> 1:11:29.400 I get how the model is because they invest in 1:11:29.400 --> 1:11:31.760 a tremendous amount of stuff ahead of before they can 1:11:31.760 --> 1:11:33.599 start to take a profit off, and not not every 1:11:33.640 --> 1:11:34.439 drug is profitable. 1:11:34.479 --> 1:11:38.880 I understand that three billion dollars. It's three billion dollars. 1:11:40.120 --> 1:11:45.160 Everyone thinks about the blockbuster of blockbusters, blockbuster drugs. But 1:11:45.200 --> 1:11:48.080 the tact of the matter is is that most big 1:11:48.120 --> 1:11:52.120 medicines fail and so you know, and it's a it's 1:11:52.160 --> 1:11:53.600 a it's a fracture. 1:11:53.160 --> 1:11:54.040 Of the healthcare dollars. 1:11:54.560 --> 1:11:59.960 The major costs in our healthcare system are hospitals, not medicines. Fact, 1:12:00.080 --> 1:12:01.959 medicines keep us out of the hospital. 1:12:03.080 --> 1:12:05.479 Yeah, that makes sense. The pharmacy benefit manager's got an 1:12:05.479 --> 1:12:08.280 issue with them and insurance companies, but no one really 1:12:08.439 --> 1:12:11.200 talks about, as you mentioned though, the hospitals themselves. When 1:12:11.200 --> 1:12:14.520 you talk about hospital services, is that beyond or including 1:12:14.840 --> 1:12:17.680 the actual physical treatment you get from a practitioner. 1:12:18.600 --> 1:12:21.479 Well, here's the thing in terms of I mean, yes, 1:12:21.680 --> 1:12:24.240 so God forbid, you have to be in the hospital, 1:12:24.600 --> 1:12:27.639 and once you're there, they want to load you up 1:12:27.760 --> 1:12:30.240 with various tests, whether you need. 1:12:30.080 --> 1:12:30.479 Them or not. 1:12:30.720 --> 1:12:35.719 Now, listen, if there was a menu of prices. Hey, sir, ma'am, 1:12:35.720 --> 1:12:39.240 you're in the hospital, we might as well check for this. Okay, 1:12:39.520 --> 1:12:42.439 what does it cost? No one can answer that question, 1:12:42.720 --> 1:12:46.040 the technicians, the nurses, and there's practitions, the doctors, the 1:12:46.080 --> 1:12:49.000 folks coming in and out. Even the business the business 1:12:49.040 --> 1:12:52.000 associates of hospitals that you know, have you sign the paperwork, 1:12:52.080 --> 1:12:54.840 can't tell you what things cost. So I'm not saying 1:12:54.880 --> 1:13:00.000 that tests or therapies or items of the hospital does 1:13:00.080 --> 1:13:02.880 us for you while you're there are bad. No, but 1:13:02.920 --> 1:13:06.759 we don't know what they cost. And again, we could 1:13:06.840 --> 1:13:10.640 fix this. Yet Washington is very good at not fixing problems. 1:13:10.800 --> 1:13:14.320 They complain, they cry, they whine, but this is a 1:13:14.360 --> 1:13:18.960 pretty easy fix. And you know, again, demand and enforce 1:13:19.240 --> 1:13:22.040 price transparency. In other words, when I'm at the hospital, 1:13:22.080 --> 1:13:27.080 I know what things cost. Second is we should allow 1:13:27.240 --> 1:13:31.920 for a senior specifically, or any patient to go to 1:13:31.960 --> 1:13:37.040 their doctor's office for certain tests or interventions because it 1:13:37.120 --> 1:13:39.360 costs less. So this is why you see the hospital 1:13:39.640 --> 1:13:44.840 consolidation because they want to charge more. Medicare ironically will 1:13:45.000 --> 1:13:48.680 charge more or allow for a higher payment for a 1:13:48.800 --> 1:13:51.280 test done in the hospital. So our hospital is doing 1:13:51.439 --> 1:13:54.480 they're going around and they are buying up medical practices. 1:13:54.760 --> 1:13:56.680 So therefore, when you go to. 1:13:56.640 --> 1:13:59.040 Your doctor, you're really at the hospital and you're paying 1:13:59.040 --> 1:13:59.800 the hospital. 1:14:00.040 --> 1:14:02.360 As a network. So you see all these physicians groups 1:14:02.360 --> 1:14:04.920 that pop up and it's by ex hospital. Well, that's 1:14:05.000 --> 1:14:07.479 exactly why it's because it's more money for them and 1:14:07.520 --> 1:14:09.640 consolidation all that. I don't know if it leads to 1:14:09.680 --> 1:14:12.120 better health outcomes, but based on the metrics that we 1:14:12.160 --> 1:14:14.800 have now, Jerry Rodgers, the answer would be no, We're 1:14:14.840 --> 1:14:18.080 getting sicker despite spending more and more on healthcare costs 1:14:18.360 --> 1:14:20.680 in the United States of America and on that too. 1:14:20.800 --> 1:14:22.639 Could I just back up a second, Go all right, 1:14:23.000 --> 1:14:25.120 at first plus you go on, okay, to what two 1:14:25.200 --> 1:14:27.720 hundred and twenty percent cost increase is two thousand for 1:14:27.760 --> 1:14:30.920 healthcare or I guess hospital services anyway goes up two 1:14:30.960 --> 1:14:33.000 hundred twenty percent, four times faster than inflesh. 1:14:33.080 --> 1:14:33.280 Right? 1:14:34.400 --> 1:14:36.719 Could I blame that on COVID? And then the increased 1:14:36.800 --> 1:14:39.400 labor costs in the shrinking job market, so you've got 1:14:39.439 --> 1:14:41.360 to pay labor more to get people. And then of 1:14:41.400 --> 1:14:45.320 course baby boomers getting old or ancient in some cases. 1:14:45.320 --> 1:14:47.120 Doesn't that all add up to so why. 1:14:47.760 --> 1:14:48.920 Well, yes and no. 1:14:49.160 --> 1:14:52.240 Right, COVID put a strain on the system, but again 1:14:52.720 --> 1:14:56.920 because you made bad political choices in it. During COVID, 1:14:57.280 --> 1:15:01.519 we actually drove medical practices into bankruptcy during COVID, we 1:15:01.640 --> 1:15:04.960 closed them down. We did it more difficult for nurses 1:15:05.040 --> 1:15:09.160 and physicians and technicians to serve during COVID because we. 1:15:09.120 --> 1:15:10.680 Had vaccine mandates. 1:15:11.160 --> 1:15:14.360 During COVID, when we followed the science, things went well. 1:15:14.560 --> 1:15:18.080 When we followed the politics, everything went sideways. And so, yeah, 1:15:18.120 --> 1:15:20.639 you're right, there's after effects of COVID, but those were 1:15:20.680 --> 1:15:23.519 political choices, not not health choices. 1:15:23.600 --> 1:15:25.840 Number one. But remember this too. 1:15:26.560 --> 1:15:29.720 We have a shrinking position base because it's more it's 1:15:29.840 --> 1:15:32.639 impossible to become a doctor in this country, the costs, 1:15:32.760 --> 1:15:38.439 the liability, and also we're importing jobs for physicians and 1:15:38.520 --> 1:15:40.800 nurses when we should be looking for homegrown talent. We're 1:15:40.800 --> 1:15:42.840 not doing that. But here's here's the kicker. 1:15:42.880 --> 1:15:43.080 Though. 1:15:44.720 --> 1:15:48.400 It's not just we're we have too few doctors or nurses. 1:15:48.600 --> 1:15:50.840 The fact is that we have too many administrators, too 1:15:50.880 --> 1:15:51.519 many executives. 1:15:51.560 --> 1:15:52.280 I'll give you an example. 1:15:52.320 --> 1:15:57.000 The Cleveland Clinic pays a million and a nonprofit hospital, 1:15:57.080 --> 1:16:01.720 but Cleveland clinic pays a million dollars to twenty two executives. 1:16:02.040 --> 1:16:06.720 In the same system the Cleveland clinic, thirty individuals, executives 1:16:07.280 --> 1:16:12.120 administrators get five hundred thousand dollars a piece. These are 1:16:12.320 --> 1:16:15.639 huge salaries. This is not money going to your health, 1:16:15.680 --> 1:16:18.360 not money going to doctors. Are more nurses, money going 1:16:18.400 --> 1:16:22.639 to essentially pencil pushers. And that's part of the problem too. 1:16:23.360 --> 1:16:26.240 Jerry Rogers here from real clear health and cost of 1:16:26.360 --> 1:16:28.559 hospital services has gone U two hundred and twenty percent 1:16:28.600 --> 1:16:31.519 since two thousand, about four times Fastian inflation. And it's 1:16:31.520 --> 1:16:34.160 fair to look at that and go why when it's 1:16:34.160 --> 1:16:37.320 put in the context of well pharmaceutical companies gouging us 1:16:37.320 --> 1:16:42.640 with pharmacy benefit managers insurance costs. But the hospitals themselves 1:16:43.080 --> 1:16:45.120 are making some money here. Yet at the same time, though, 1:16:45.120 --> 1:16:47.680 and here's the paradox, we have so many rural and 1:16:47.960 --> 1:16:50.280 other hospitals closing right now. How do we explain that. 1:16:51.320 --> 1:16:57.400 Well, again, it's because of three forty B you mentioned PBM, 1:16:57.520 --> 1:17:02.240 So three forty B pricing is a mechanism for rural areas, 1:17:02.320 --> 1:17:06.960 rural hospitals, the very poor, the folks who need care. 1:17:06.800 --> 1:17:10.960 There's a there's a rebate or a discount that hospitals 1:17:11.000 --> 1:17:14.080 are given. But what's happening instead is because of consolidation, 1:17:14.760 --> 1:17:18.400 hospital systems are purchasing rural hospitals. They're getting the three 1:17:18.560 --> 1:17:22.920 forty B benefit, and they're not using it to service 1:17:23.000 --> 1:17:23.639 the poor. 1:17:23.520 --> 1:17:24.600 Or the rural community. 1:17:25.120 --> 1:17:29.920 Rather, they're using it to attract other consumers, not you know, 1:17:30.280 --> 1:17:34.519 they look at patients as consumers. And what's happening because 1:17:34.680 --> 1:17:37.840 the very poor communities aren't being served, the facilities aren't 1:17:37.880 --> 1:17:42.520 being served, the facilities closed. So and you mentioned PVMs, 1:17:42.840 --> 1:17:47.880 the pharmacy benefit benefit managers, So your listeners understand these 1:17:47.880 --> 1:17:52.879 are middlemen who are profits servants who literally take profits 1:17:52.920 --> 1:17:56.600 I'm sorry, who take rebase and discounts away from patients 1:17:57.120 --> 1:18:00.000 and they keep them in pocket them themselves. Again, maybe 1:18:00.200 --> 1:18:02.559 thirty years ago we needed the PBM system, I have 1:18:02.640 --> 1:18:03.160 no idea. 1:18:03.360 --> 1:18:05.160 We certainly don't need it today. 1:18:05.400 --> 1:18:08.280 But part of the reason why rural hospitals are closing 1:18:08.560 --> 1:18:13.160 and seeing a massive problems is because of these middle men, 1:18:13.240 --> 1:18:17.160 because of three forty B abusion of the three forty 1:18:17.160 --> 1:18:21.200 B program. And there's lots of reasons. And again these 1:18:21.200 --> 1:18:25.080 are all physical right now, before Congress. There are reforms 1:18:25.200 --> 1:18:28.080 for both three forty B and the PBM crisis. Let's 1:18:28.080 --> 1:18:29.080 see what Congress does. 1:18:29.280 --> 1:18:32.759 Yeah, I'm not old, b Yeah exactly. And we elect 1:18:32.800 --> 1:18:34.720 these clowns. Why why are we We're sending them there 1:18:34.760 --> 1:18:36.800 and they wind up doing this to us and then 1:18:36.840 --> 1:18:39.560 they scream like their hairs on fire. It seems like, 1:18:39.600 --> 1:18:41.640 you know, we got a real we did a new 1:18:41.680 --> 1:18:45.280 bunch of elected officials. It sounds like Jerry again. 1:18:45.520 --> 1:18:49.160 I know, throw throw, throw them out. But there are 1:18:50.400 --> 1:18:52.840 The problem again, is is that, well, we need to 1:18:52.880 --> 1:18:55.719 fix the whole system. No, I'm old enough to remember 1:18:55.720 --> 1:18:58.320 when Nuke Dindrich became Speaker of the House and he said, look, 1:18:58.360 --> 1:19:00.479 we're not going to reform everything all one. 1:19:00.800 --> 1:19:02.439 We have to get to hold over of bread. Let's 1:19:02.439 --> 1:19:04.320 get slice here, sliced there. 1:19:04.520 --> 1:19:07.080 And I think the same is true on healthcare costs, 1:19:07.080 --> 1:19:09.240 on hospital costs, and that is we can do, we 1:19:09.280 --> 1:19:11.960 can do. We can do slices of reform, for instance, 1:19:12.760 --> 1:19:18.120 price transparency. Have hospitals lift and be transparent about their prices. 1:19:18.200 --> 1:19:20.400 How thought we heard that? Didn't we didn't? Didn't they say, oh, yeah, 1:19:20.400 --> 1:19:22.680 we've got choice. Well, we enacted a law and a 1:19:22.800 --> 1:19:24.120 role that we don't enforce. 1:19:25.200 --> 1:19:28.360 Thank you very much. And imagine if we enforce the 1:19:28.439 --> 1:19:29.439 reforms already. 1:19:29.760 --> 1:19:30.360 But that's a. 1:19:30.439 --> 1:19:35.200 Choice, right, I mean, accountability, responsibility, These are choices, and 1:19:35.280 --> 1:19:39.120 perhaps the laws doesn't have the proper teeth, or there 1:19:39.160 --> 1:19:42.679 is enough conversation about it. Look how many people today 1:19:42.720 --> 1:19:44.360 waking up. There's so much going on in the world, 1:19:44.680 --> 1:19:47.640 you know this, right, the world's on fire, and so 1:19:48.240 --> 1:19:50.280 we don't care about hospital costs or you can healthcare 1:19:50.280 --> 1:19:53.040 costs until we live the doctor, and so it's not 1:19:53.080 --> 1:19:55.280 a sustained conversation. This is the problem with the twenty 1:19:55.280 --> 1:19:58.160 first seven news cycle. We're always going to the next bit, oh, 1:19:58.360 --> 1:20:00.840 to the next big news story, and the problems that 1:20:00.920 --> 1:20:04.120 impact us every single day we forget about until it 1:20:04.120 --> 1:20:08.160 becomes an urgent matter. So we need to focus on 1:20:08.200 --> 1:20:11.360 the importance, so the important never becomes the urgent. Once 1:20:11.360 --> 1:20:13.320 it's urgent, then it's like, oh my goodness, what do 1:20:13.400 --> 1:20:14.960 we do? And we quit and we and we just 1:20:15.000 --> 1:20:16.880 got talking about it, and we just we just you 1:20:16.920 --> 1:20:19.599 know what, I'll just pay the pay the bill. Well, 1:20:19.680 --> 1:20:20.800 it shouldn't have to be that way. 1:20:21.240 --> 1:20:23.400 Yeah, we can only remember three things at a time. 1:20:23.439 --> 1:20:26.000 Maybe two as we get older, and one if you're lucky. 1:20:26.080 --> 1:20:30.479 So in my cage that half a thing. I know 1:20:30.560 --> 1:20:33.240 that I joke with my kids, you know, what's the diet? 1:20:33.280 --> 1:20:36.880 What's the diet? Sandwich is the half of you know, 1:20:36.920 --> 1:20:38.400 I can remember half a thing. 1:20:38.439 --> 1:20:40.200 But you know what I do think we have to 1:20:40.200 --> 1:20:43.479 have a focused, sustained conversation here. And looks a lot 1:20:43.479 --> 1:20:45.840 of healthcare reforms happening on a state level, and so 1:20:46.040 --> 1:20:49.720 folks and your your listeners should be talking to their 1:20:49.880 --> 1:20:53.720 state legislators because you put pressure on them to have 1:20:53.800 --> 1:20:57.960 reforms in the states. Remember, uh, you know, federalism, states 1:20:58.000 --> 1:21:01.519 can do things that prove would be a model for 1:21:01.720 --> 1:21:05.160 what Washington count do. I would encourage your listeners to 1:21:05.200 --> 1:21:08.160 go out and contact your state legislators. Get involved, whether 1:21:08.160 --> 1:21:11.360 it's healthcare issues or or or if it's policing, or 1:21:11.400 --> 1:21:14.160 it's criminal justice or whatever it might be. Go and 1:21:14.200 --> 1:21:17.280 pressure your state legislators to do the right thing. Because 1:21:17.240 --> 1:21:19.439 I used to work for a state rep in New 1:21:19.520 --> 1:21:22.400 Jersey years ago, and I'm telling you, every single day 1:21:23.320 --> 1:21:27.320 dozens of constituents would drop in and we listened to them. 1:21:27.360 --> 1:21:29.479 We had to. They were they were, they were present 1:21:29.920 --> 1:21:32.960 and These were good conversations that moved my boss to 1:21:33.040 --> 1:21:35.800 do things in the state capitol so there we could 1:21:35.840 --> 1:21:39.800 get good outcomes. You know, people, an old friend of mine, 1:21:39.960 --> 1:21:43.000 my mentor at the Competive Enterprises, Tode Fred Smith, used 1:21:43.040 --> 1:21:45.400 to say that people in politics are stupid because they're smart. 1:21:45.520 --> 1:21:48.320 In other words, they're paying attention to They're paying attention 1:21:48.400 --> 1:21:50.920 to the to the things that matter most of them, Uh, 1:21:50.960 --> 1:21:54.479 their tuitions, their their kids, baseball practice, you know, putting 1:21:54.479 --> 1:21:55.280 dinner on the table. 1:21:55.640 --> 1:21:55.720 Uh. 1:21:55.760 --> 1:21:58.080 And they don't think about the larger political things until 1:21:58.240 --> 1:22:00.960 unfortunately it's too late. I would just get encouraged folks 1:22:00.960 --> 1:22:03.200 to pay attention to these political things. But it does 1:22:03.320 --> 1:22:04.559 matter to your personal life. 1:22:04.400 --> 1:22:06.160 It really does. And that's the thing. It's not the 1:22:06.240 --> 1:22:08.240 party politics. And I've got to be on one side 1:22:08.320 --> 1:22:10.599 or the other. And even if my guy or girl 1:22:10.640 --> 1:22:12.720 does something stupid, I can never call them out. No, 1:22:12.800 --> 1:22:15.200 we were supposed to do that. We've got to distrust 1:22:15.200 --> 1:22:18.800 government more, especially the at the more federal levels of that. 1:22:18.840 --> 1:22:21.120 And on that point too. You know you brought something earlier, Jerry, 1:22:21.880 --> 1:22:25.439 about hospitals or hospitalists anyway, or doctors and ordering all 1:22:25.479 --> 1:22:27.400 these tests and driving the constant. But that's also part 1:22:27.400 --> 1:22:30.120 of the problem, right, It's because you have hospital administrators, 1:22:30.400 --> 1:22:33.160 you have lawyers that they have that they're afraid of. 1:22:33.439 --> 1:22:35.680 You had the federal and state governments all looking over 1:22:35.720 --> 1:22:37.800 your shoulder before you even treat a patient, And so 1:22:37.840 --> 1:22:39.600 why wouldn't you order a whole bunch of tests it 1:22:39.600 --> 1:22:42.080 may or may not be needed, simply to cover your own. 1:22:42.040 --> 1:22:44.040 Ass, exactly right. 1:22:44.360 --> 1:22:49.120 And what makes that problem worse, if that's possible, is 1:22:49.280 --> 1:22:54.680 that insurance companies pay a fee for service. So there's 1:22:54.760 --> 1:23:00.280 there is a liability, legal, regulatory pressure to test test, 1:23:00.640 --> 1:23:04.559 but there's also a fantial incentive to test. Test test. 1:23:04.640 --> 1:23:09.240 But here's the thing. You know, you know, informed voters 1:23:09.439 --> 1:23:13.360 make good choices. Informed patients can make good choices. So 1:23:13.640 --> 1:23:16.719 you know, if I understood, you're giving me this pill, 1:23:16.720 --> 1:23:17.360 you're giving. 1:23:17.160 --> 1:23:17.679 Me this shot. 1:23:17.720 --> 1:23:20.960 You want to do an echo cardiogram even though I'm 1:23:21.240 --> 1:23:24.479 even though I'm here for my foot, explain to me the. 1:23:24.400 --> 1:23:27.280 Costs, because maybe if the cost is. 1:23:28.000 --> 1:23:31.519 Right, I might get the echo cardiogram because I won't 1:23:31.520 --> 1:23:33.240 be back at the hospital anytime soon. 1:23:33.400 --> 1:23:35.000 So there's a problem to figure it out. 1:23:35.160 --> 1:23:39.760 Well, you can't give the consumer, the patient uh, the 1:23:39.800 --> 1:23:42.240 menu with the private Again, imagine going to a restaurant 1:23:42.800 --> 1:23:45.400 and sitting down to eat dinner with your family and 1:23:45.439 --> 1:23:47.240 the waiter says, what do you want? 1:23:47.400 --> 1:23:50.080 But there's no prices to the to the menu items. 1:23:50.360 --> 1:23:52.720 I walk out of that restaurant. 1:23:52.560 --> 1:23:56.639 But with hospitals, unfortunately, because we're sick, we're almost captured. 1:23:56.920 --> 1:24:00.479 I was in a hot I had a help. 1:24:00.000 --> 1:24:03.040 Make your leg, Or you have cancer and aggressive, what 1:24:03.280 --> 1:24:04.880 do you do your shop around? You could take six 1:24:04.920 --> 1:24:06.840 months to get the best price going on price line 1:24:06.920 --> 1:24:09.120 or you know consumer reports. What are we doing here? 1:24:09.120 --> 1:24:09.639 But right? 1:24:09.800 --> 1:24:13.760 But that's again an excellent, excellent point. But the thing is, 1:24:14.800 --> 1:24:19.360 once hospitals UH are held accountable for prices and this 1:24:19.560 --> 1:24:23.720 price transparency, You're right, when I'm sick in the emergency room, 1:24:23.800 --> 1:24:26.439 I can't shop around. But if the but if the 1:24:26.479 --> 1:24:29.920 ethos is created that hospitals are posting, then when I 1:24:30.080 --> 1:24:32.439 when I do go in for something elective, when I 1:24:32.479 --> 1:24:34.760 do go, UH bring my have you know my kid 1:24:35.000 --> 1:24:38.360 needs stitches and there are three hospitals within driving distance, 1:24:38.640 --> 1:24:43.280 I can then make choices and that will UH discipline 1:24:43.600 --> 1:24:47.920 the entire system because competition will be introduced. Imagine price 1:24:48.000 --> 1:24:49.200 competition again. 1:24:49.240 --> 1:24:49.880 I get it. 1:24:50.120 --> 1:24:53.559 Emergency room, but even emergency room cost prices will come 1:24:53.640 --> 1:24:56.480 down if hospitals are forced to compete on prices. 1:24:56.760 --> 1:25:00.519 Makes sense. He's Jerry Rogers. Jerry h is with real 1:25:00.600 --> 1:25:05.120 clear health and talking about why hospital services, just hospital 1:25:05.160 --> 1:25:07.200 calls have gone up over two hundred and twenty percent 1:25:07.600 --> 1:25:09.800 in the last twenty twenty five years, four times faster 1:25:09.840 --> 1:25:13.080 than inflation. We talk about pharmacy benefit managers, big farm 1:25:13.160 --> 1:25:14.920 insurance companies, but we got a factor of this and 1:25:14.960 --> 1:25:17.160 as well. Jerry, all the best, Thanks for jumping in. 1:25:17.200 --> 1:25:21.200 Appreciate it all right, bye. Appreciate the info news on 1:25:21.240 --> 1:25:23.360 the way four or five minutes from now, and the 1:25:23.520 --> 1:25:26.360 very latest on what's going on with Chief Watch in 1:25:26.400 --> 1:25:30.280 the city of Cincinnati. Our partners at WCPO nine broke 1:25:30.320 --> 1:25:33.800 the story yesterday that aftaed Peerval this investigation into the 1:25:33.920 --> 1:25:39.919 chief and her suspension, her paid administrative leave anticipating her firing. 1:25:40.720 --> 1:25:44.479 The investigation is going to take months because, as you know, 1:25:44.560 --> 1:25:49.160 during investigations, you will always suspend someone and then you 1:25:49.200 --> 1:25:52.960 announced for doing the investigation. I don't know, I don't 1:25:52.960 --> 1:25:55.200 know what crime show. Maybe he's watching crime shows backwards 1:25:55.240 --> 1:25:57.000 Normally it's like, hey, we have all these things and 1:25:57.120 --> 1:26:00.360 we have information, and then we make the charge because 1:26:00.360 --> 1:26:02.920 we have all these details not not here. It can 1:26:03.000 --> 1:26:05.920 take months to like basically well after the election, then 1:26:05.920 --> 1:26:08.840 we'll sort all this stuff out. God almighty, every day 1:26:09.000 --> 1:26:12.679 something new. The Buffoonery Scott Sloan seven hundred penn station 1:26:12.840 --> 1:26:13.719 is turning up the heat. 1:26:13.840 --> 1:26:17.200 The Ghost Pepper Cheese, Steak, Premium Steak, Provolona and Fiery 1:26:17.240 --> 1:26:19.559 Ghost Pepper Cheese only here through November. 1:26:19.680 --> 1:26:23.160 Get it before take a look at your watch. It's 1:26:23.320 --> 1:26:28.120 Real Estate Time with Michelle Sloan, Remax time agent extraordinaire 1:26:28.160 --> 1:26:33.280 from Sloan sellshomes dot com. Now pay attention and take notes. 1:26:33.479 --> 1:26:36.400 There might be a pop quiz at the end on 1:26:36.640 --> 1:26:38.280 seven hundred WLW. 1:26:38.520 --> 1:26:39.840 No, I'll get a catch up with my wife on 1:26:39.840 --> 1:26:41.639 a Thursday Morrow. All the time. We talk all week. 1:26:42.320 --> 1:26:49.120 What's going on? Are you there? Oh my god, she's 1:26:49.120 --> 1:26:51.000 got Michelle Sloane come in. 1:26:51.520 --> 1:26:53.080 Hold on again. 1:26:54.400 --> 1:26:56.760 This is the problem that you bring your dog to work. 1:26:56.760 --> 1:26:58.840 How much work do you actually get done? That's the question. 1:26:59.479 --> 1:27:00.400 Hi, I'm back. 1:27:00.479 --> 1:27:01.959 Does it bring your dog to workday? 1:27:02.400 --> 1:27:04.599 It is bringing your dog to work day and there's 1:27:04.640 --> 1:27:07.439 a dog next door to the office. I just tried 1:27:07.439 --> 1:27:10.599 to open the door. He's still scratching. I'm just gonna 1:27:10.600 --> 1:27:11.080 have to let it. 1:27:12.520 --> 1:27:14.439 A good boy, that's it. So he's got there's a 1:27:14.439 --> 1:27:16.320 dog next door, and he's got to go get that dog. 1:27:17.000 --> 1:27:19.040 Well, he also wants to come in because I locked 1:27:19.120 --> 1:27:23.160 him out of the studio that I'm in in my office. 1:27:23.640 --> 1:27:26.280 And this is a new environment because we just made 1:27:26.280 --> 1:27:28.519 it a little bit of a change. There's so much 1:27:28.680 --> 1:27:29.400 change happening. 1:27:29.640 --> 1:27:34.080 Change, change, change, But that dog is not to be deterred. No, 1:27:34.880 --> 1:27:36.439 I'm trying to go. They have the bring your dog 1:27:36.479 --> 1:27:38.439 to work. How much work actually gets done? 1:27:39.120 --> 1:27:40.680 Actually, everybody. 1:27:41.880 --> 1:27:42.479 A lot of work. 1:27:42.840 --> 1:27:43.639 Well in bandit. 1:27:44.000 --> 1:27:48.240 If the garbage cans aren't put on desks, he's going 1:27:48.280 --> 1:27:50.439 to rummage through them to find it, to see if 1:27:50.479 --> 1:27:52.160 there's any crumb available. 1:27:52.160 --> 1:27:53.799 Got you, because he's a wee fat bastard. 1:27:56.880 --> 1:28:01.240 He's a good boy. Have we started? Are we on 1:28:01.320 --> 1:28:01.679 the air? 1:28:02.960 --> 1:28:04.639 Well, I'm just sitting here waiting for you to get 1:28:04.680 --> 1:28:06.720 your act together. You got dogs, you got I don't 1:28:06.760 --> 1:28:11.360 know what's going on over there, but this is live radio. 1:28:11.439 --> 1:28:16.640 So yeah, three two, Yeah. My wife Michelle Sloan in 1:28:16.640 --> 1:28:19.680 case you haven't notices here with with Bandit, who, by 1:28:19.720 --> 1:28:24.000 the way, is our our lovely dog. That is a distraction. Nonetheless, 1:28:24.200 --> 1:28:27.240 what are we talking about besides dogs dog dog problems? 1:28:27.640 --> 1:28:29.840 Well, we're talking about changes in the weather. You know, 1:28:29.960 --> 1:28:33.720 something happened last night when you were snoring? Yeah, do 1:28:33.800 --> 1:28:38.240 you know what it was? You were snoring louder? No, okay, no, 1:28:38.479 --> 1:28:39.479 the heat turns on. 1:28:40.320 --> 1:28:42.720 Oh you know what. I woke up, so yeah, we 1:28:43.400 --> 1:28:46.040 knew her house, so I woke up and I smelt 1:28:46.080 --> 1:28:48.519 something burning, Like immediately your radar goes off, like oh, 1:28:48.840 --> 1:28:52.160 and then my you know, my, my construction brain kicked 1:28:52.200 --> 1:28:54.400 and went. But the heat kicked on. It's the dust 1:28:54.439 --> 1:28:59.920 gets on the essentially the dust of collects in yeah yeah, yeah, 1:29:00.040 --> 1:29:03.000 the heat exchanger, and once it kicks on for the season, 1:29:03.040 --> 1:29:05.160 it burns off. So what you're smelling is basically just 1:29:05.520 --> 1:29:08.679 dead skin and dust mites and all that nasty stuff, 1:29:08.680 --> 1:29:11.040 and it burns up. So you're smelling that. But in 1:29:11.040 --> 1:29:13.120 the middle of the night when it kicks on, you're like, crap, 1:29:13.160 --> 1:29:15.599 what the I'm waiting for the smoke detectors to go off, 1:29:15.640 --> 1:29:18.080 and you know, I was on alert for a second 1:29:18.120 --> 1:29:19.880 and I realized, oh, yeah, it's kicking on because the 1:29:20.280 --> 1:29:21.840 cross warning, and I went back to sleep. 1:29:22.240 --> 1:29:23.799 Oh I know, I can't believe. 1:29:24.080 --> 1:29:26.880 So this was that was the first heat turned on 1:29:27.000 --> 1:29:29.760 because you had it on, you had the you had 1:29:29.760 --> 1:29:32.760 our thermostat set to both. 1:29:32.760 --> 1:29:34.080 Cool and heat. 1:29:34.160 --> 1:29:35.920 Yeah, it turned that on auto. This time of year, 1:29:35.960 --> 1:29:38.240 you never know in Cincinnati what you're going to get. 1:29:38.200 --> 1:29:41.480 Right, So that way, if it gets above a certain temperature, 1:29:42.439 --> 1:29:44.360 the air will come on. If it gets below a 1:29:44.400 --> 1:29:47.800 certain temperature, the heat will come on. So we don't 1:29:47.880 --> 1:29:51.120 know what it will be from hour to hour. 1:29:52.320 --> 1:29:54.360 We could have heat overnight. 1:29:54.880 --> 1:29:56.679 In the exactly I don't know. You don't know because 1:29:56.680 --> 1:29:58.880 it's Cincinnati. I will say this now this time of year, 1:29:59.720 --> 1:30:01.240 you don't have to do this, but I like to 1:30:01.280 --> 1:30:06.280 set the fan on on in the winter to kind 1:30:06.280 --> 1:30:08.439 of bounced out because you have some cold spots maybe 1:30:08.439 --> 1:30:10.920 and it'll you know, circulate the heat a little bit 1:30:10.920 --> 1:30:11.840 better throughout the whole house. 1:30:13.080 --> 1:30:14.800 Okay, so on you like that? 1:30:15.040 --> 1:30:16.920 On? Who doesn't like it? 1:30:17.000 --> 1:30:17.040 On? 1:30:17.280 --> 1:30:19.320 On and on? But you know, I mean you could 1:30:19.320 --> 1:30:21.000 set it on auto. I supposed to if you want. 1:30:21.040 --> 1:30:23.120 It depends on you know how old your windows are, 1:30:23.160 --> 1:30:24.160 how draft your walls are. 1:30:24.200 --> 1:30:27.040 I mean, there's a lot of considerations exactly, And now's 1:30:27.040 --> 1:30:28.840 also a good time if you want to get a 1:30:28.840 --> 1:30:33.160 new thermostat. Honestly, sometimes if the thermostat isn't working, We've 1:30:33.160 --> 1:30:35.200 noticed this with our rentals and that sort of thing. 1:30:36.120 --> 1:30:39.880 The whole system gets wonky if that thermostatus has gone bad. 1:30:40.439 --> 1:30:43.720 Yep, yeah, yeah. We got a thermostat that like it 1:30:43.760 --> 1:30:45.679 was like a carrier furnace or something, and they don't 1:30:45.680 --> 1:30:48.080 support it anymore. So I actually ordered a smart the 1:30:48.080 --> 1:30:51.160 thermostat to put in. And I'm in the process of, 1:30:51.680 --> 1:30:53.559 as you know, moving a new place, Like okay, well 1:30:53.560 --> 1:30:55.479 you got to change your locks and stuff, so I 1:30:55.800 --> 1:30:57.639 kind of did I want the smart route on our house, 1:30:57.720 --> 1:31:00.640 and having some integrated locks and things like that just 1:31:00.640 --> 1:31:03.919 make it easier because we tend to sometimes be forgetful 1:31:04.000 --> 1:31:05.880 about locking doors and such. And you can look at 1:31:05.880 --> 1:31:07.599 it going, oh yeah, the doors like garage doors down 1:31:07.680 --> 1:31:08.280 that kind of stuff. 1:31:08.439 --> 1:31:09.559 That's just an age thing. 1:31:10.439 --> 1:31:14.679 But programmable thermostats can also be very energy efficient, which 1:31:14.720 --> 1:31:18.080 I feel like is something that we all need because 1:31:18.120 --> 1:31:21.439 the cost of everything is through the roof. So there 1:31:21.479 --> 1:31:25.520 was another change that happened in our life. You actually 1:31:25.920 --> 1:31:31.240 have graduated from the scooter to a real shoe. 1:31:31.840 --> 1:31:36.200 I yeah, we saw my doctor, my pediatrist, doctor Samantha 1:31:36.240 --> 1:31:38.679 Baker at christ who's wonderful. Their staff is amazing. 1:31:39.640 --> 1:31:42.400 That a good sense of humor, too, up with your crap. 1:31:43.680 --> 1:31:45.559 So yeah, I did it in like less than six weeks, 1:31:45.560 --> 1:31:48.679 which I think is pretty good. Went from the surgery 1:31:48.720 --> 1:31:51.599 to being able to walk around limp around a little bit. 1:31:51.680 --> 1:31:53.559 It's weird because my caf is like a little sore, 1:31:53.640 --> 1:31:55.840 but man, not having crutches. I talked about crutches the 1:31:55.880 --> 1:31:59.320 other day, Michelle that with all the medical inventions we have, 1:31:59.360 --> 1:32:01.000 I mean, you could take a pig valve and put 1:32:01.040 --> 1:32:03.120 it in someone's heart, and we have all these ais 1:32:03.200 --> 1:32:05.519 running your body, and you've got this thing right, all 1:32:05.560 --> 1:32:08.240 this huge technology, the drugs, the pharmaceuticals, R and D. 1:32:08.320 --> 1:32:11.000 It's incredible, and yet we are still walking around with 1:32:11.080 --> 1:32:12.960 the device it was. I mean it goes back to 1:32:13.000 --> 1:32:15.280 before the Civil War, the crutches. That it is the 1:32:15.280 --> 1:32:17.599 worst invention ever. They tear up your forearms, your arm 1:32:17.640 --> 1:32:20.719 pitt or sore. You think we'd come up with anything better. 1:32:22.240 --> 1:32:24.360 That's my point is you think someone would be on 1:32:24.400 --> 1:32:26.960 top of that though, and there's isn't there a better crutch, 1:32:27.000 --> 1:32:29.599 a better way to design a crutch? I mean, okay, 1:32:29.600 --> 1:32:31.280 I have the knee scoot. You put your good knee 1:32:31.320 --> 1:32:32.680 on it or your bad knee on it, I guess, 1:32:32.720 --> 1:32:35.000 and rolled around. But that's kind of clunky. It's hard 1:32:35.040 --> 1:32:36.760 to get in another car. When I was dress started 1:32:36.840 --> 1:32:39.760 driving myself to work, I just take crutches because can't 1:32:39.760 --> 1:32:43.360 get it in and out. So, yeah, you think of something. 1:32:43.320 --> 1:32:44.960 I was like, there's there's gotta be something in the 1:32:45.000 --> 1:32:47.720 crutch realm that they're looking at, going we're going to 1:32:47.760 --> 1:32:50.040 come up with a new crutch, right, you know what? 1:32:50.080 --> 1:32:52.400 Maybe you should do that and then we can retire. 1:32:54.560 --> 1:32:59.720 Let's do a medical invention that has never been imagined 1:32:59.760 --> 1:33:00.160 to be for. 1:33:03.320 --> 1:33:03.960 I really would have. 1:33:05.680 --> 1:33:08.080 Yeah, I don't know what it would that would look like, Like, 1:33:08.439 --> 1:33:10.000 I'm not sure. There's got to be some way to 1:33:10.000 --> 1:33:11.960 do that. A robotic type of foot thing. I don't know. 1:33:12.200 --> 1:33:12.559 I don't know. 1:33:12.600 --> 1:33:16.200 I don't Outside of the reason why I talk about 1:33:16.240 --> 1:33:19.479 this change, so you're you're you're standing on two feet again, 1:33:20.120 --> 1:33:22.280 So that honeydew list baby is back. 1:33:22.760 --> 1:33:24.320 I know, wear ut my other foot. 1:33:24.360 --> 1:33:28.080 Now, no, we're not going to do that, but we 1:33:28.280 --> 1:33:30.200 you know, and it is that time of year when 1:33:30.240 --> 1:33:32.880 we get when it gets cold, we have to think about, okay, 1:33:33.240 --> 1:33:37.600 cold weather, getting our home prepped for the winter months. 1:33:37.920 --> 1:33:39.920 We don't want to hear about it, but we have to. 1:33:40.240 --> 1:33:42.679 You have to think about it. And now's the time. 1:33:43.240 --> 1:33:45.720 We talked a little bit about your HVAC system. Your 1:33:45.840 --> 1:33:49.080 HVAC the heating and cooling systems. So you're going to 1:33:49.160 --> 1:33:52.160 be there's really nothing to do right to turn off 1:33:52.240 --> 1:33:55.719 the AC or to winterize your AC unit. 1:33:55.840 --> 1:33:59.360 Is there No, Some people do put like I'll see 1:33:59.360 --> 1:34:01.720 people cover their outdoor unit. You don't want to do 1:34:01.800 --> 1:34:06.000 that because it traps chat traps moisture in there, which 1:34:06.040 --> 1:34:09.120 is bad for obviously you don't need to people. I've 1:34:09.120 --> 1:34:10.920 seen people do that before. So yeah, I got to 1:34:10.920 --> 1:34:13.360 put a tarp on top of my outdoor. You know 1:34:13.360 --> 1:34:15.880 the big fan, the big box that the condenser it's called. 1:34:16.400 --> 1:34:18.360 You want to leave that, leave that exposuing, like I said, 1:34:18.360 --> 1:34:20.960 you know in the winter. You know, you could set 1:34:21.000 --> 1:34:22.519 auto in the winter. A lot of people do that, 1:34:22.600 --> 1:34:24.720 but I said, leave it on. But I would have 1:34:24.800 --> 1:34:26.519 to qualify that by saying, if you have a whole 1:34:26.520 --> 1:34:29.240 house humidifier that works a little bit better. If you 1:34:29.240 --> 1:34:31.040 have immification system, you want to leave it on because 1:34:31.040 --> 1:34:33.760 you're humidifying the air, which is what you want, and 1:34:33.760 --> 1:34:35.720 it might reduce some cold spots and things like that. 1:34:35.760 --> 1:34:37.559 But typically most people just leave it to auto when 1:34:37.560 --> 1:34:38.080 they're fine. 1:34:38.479 --> 1:34:41.000 And the basic, basic, most basic thing that you can 1:34:41.040 --> 1:34:43.679 do is replace your furnace filter. 1:34:43.840 --> 1:34:46.360 Correct, you should be doing that. Checking that filter. You 1:34:46.360 --> 1:34:48.200 hold it up to like the light down in the basement, 1:34:48.240 --> 1:34:50.080 and if you can see through it it looks dirty. 1:34:50.080 --> 1:34:52.120 You're gonna replace it, that's all. If you can. If 1:34:52.160 --> 1:34:54.160 you can't see through it, you got real problems. You 1:34:54.160 --> 1:34:56.080 don't want that thing breaking down because it strains the 1:34:56.120 --> 1:34:59.080 motor and then in this expensive repair calum we're trying 1:34:59.120 --> 1:35:00.559 to save you money there, So don't do that. 1:35:01.080 --> 1:35:02.360 Absolutely, Okay. 1:35:02.400 --> 1:35:04.280 So the next thing I want to talk about, I 1:35:04.320 --> 1:35:07.439 want to go actually outside of your home because now 1:35:07.439 --> 1:35:10.720 we have the temperatures are nice enough during the day 1:35:10.760 --> 1:35:13.759 to do some outside work, so now's a perfect time 1:35:14.400 --> 1:35:18.200 to you know, clean up your yard and trim the 1:35:18.280 --> 1:35:21.559 trees and bushes around your house. You should never have 1:35:21.720 --> 1:35:27.040 vegetation touching your home, because it can lead to bugs 1:35:27.080 --> 1:35:30.360 coming in, animals coming in climb up the things. So 1:35:30.680 --> 1:35:34.360 you want at least a foot to two feet away 1:35:34.479 --> 1:35:37.920 from vegetation and your house. And so a lot of 1:35:37.920 --> 1:35:40.679 people they have their bushes and they're right up against 1:35:40.680 --> 1:35:42.920 the house. They're touching the house. They have trees with 1:35:43.040 --> 1:35:47.400 limbs that are overhanging onto your roof. When those big 1:35:47.439 --> 1:35:50.639 winds come like we had last week, we had some 1:35:50.840 --> 1:35:54.880 serious winds, and any of those branches that are a 1:35:54.960 --> 1:35:58.200 little bit brittle, they're going to fall on your roof. 1:35:58.360 --> 1:36:01.439 They could cause damage to your roof. So now is 1:36:01.479 --> 1:36:03.800 a perfect time if you have to hire somebody to 1:36:03.880 --> 1:36:09.360 help you make sure that the vegetation, any trees, shrubs, whatever, 1:36:09.920 --> 1:36:13.120 are at least I'm gonna say, at least two feet 1:36:13.240 --> 1:36:16.200 away from your home. The other thing is if you 1:36:16.360 --> 1:36:20.480 have that growing ivy that has gotten out of control 1:36:20.920 --> 1:36:24.960 and it is climbing up your the side of your house, 1:36:25.920 --> 1:36:28.800 and it is the one of the worst things. I've 1:36:28.840 --> 1:36:33.120 talked to people who are brick layers who if you're 1:36:33.160 --> 1:36:36.000 gonna if it's gonna be coming up siding, it's gonna 1:36:36.000 --> 1:36:39.400 go into and under the siding and into your walls 1:36:39.439 --> 1:36:43.360 and into your home. I've seen it crawl into gaps 1:36:43.479 --> 1:36:47.559 in people's windows, window wells. 1:36:48.479 --> 1:36:50.719 So I will destroy the brick. 1:36:51.120 --> 1:36:51.719 It will. 1:36:51.880 --> 1:36:55.880 It takes away the mortar, and it's it's bad. 1:36:56.080 --> 1:36:56.760 It's just bad. 1:36:56.760 --> 1:36:59.320 And when I see there's a couple of our new 1:36:59.320 --> 1:37:03.360 neighbors have ivy climbing up the front of their house actually, 1:37:03.880 --> 1:37:06.280 and some people think it looks really cool in old 1:37:06.320 --> 1:37:10.679 school and whatever. No, just say no to ivy. That's 1:37:10.720 --> 1:37:13.759 what that's my that's my tip for today. Well, eventually 1:37:13.840 --> 1:37:15.599 it's going to keep growing and grond. I wonder, does 1:37:15.720 --> 1:37:17.360 I've never seen it get to the point where gutters 1:37:17.360 --> 1:37:20.320 are I mean no, no, they've gone into attics before. 1:37:20.400 --> 1:37:23.240 I've seen actually, i've seen it crawl into attics. I've 1:37:23.280 --> 1:37:26.679 seen it actually crawl through walls, through cracks and walls 1:37:27.200 --> 1:37:30.040 and on some of the really older homes in Cincinnati, 1:37:30.439 --> 1:37:33.800 and I've seen it crawl through. And then it's then 1:37:33.840 --> 1:37:38.320 they leave these little suckers behind the little their little tentacles. 1:37:38.400 --> 1:37:41.800 And it's a mess. So now's a good time. 1:37:42.320 --> 1:37:44.479 You know, you're going to have to make sure that 1:37:44.520 --> 1:37:46.240 you're cutting it off at the base. But then you 1:37:46.320 --> 1:37:49.080 have to remove it. It may need some power washing. 1:37:49.240 --> 1:37:52.880 It's not an easy task to get rid of because 1:37:52.880 --> 1:37:56.960 it's pretty invasive. But it is so bad for your house. 1:37:57.120 --> 1:38:00.280 And so today's to my message today and I'm going 1:38:00.320 --> 1:38:02.400 to be talking about this on my podcast. 1:38:02.920 --> 1:38:04.080 Just say no to ivy. 1:38:04.760 --> 1:38:07.240 Yeah, people see like you know, old homes in the 1:38:07.280 --> 1:38:10.439 Northeast at Wrigley Field. But keep in mind, you know 1:38:10.560 --> 1:38:13.479 that that that ivy wall is it's by design. It 1:38:13.479 --> 1:38:15.240 takes a lot of people to maintain. They maintain that 1:38:15.240 --> 1:38:17.280 all the time. It's built for that house. 1:38:17.479 --> 1:38:18.719 Wall for the ivy. 1:38:18.760 --> 1:38:21.640 Ther house is venear brick, so it's a whole different yeah. Yeah, 1:38:21.760 --> 1:38:23.840 and the English, the Boston ivy is terrible for your 1:38:23.880 --> 1:38:26.400 house too. And the other thing too is it also 1:38:26.520 --> 1:38:29.639 will trap moisture against sighting, so you're looking at mold 1:38:29.680 --> 1:38:32.960 and rot and things like that as well termites. That's 1:38:33.000 --> 1:38:35.439 the whole air for disaster. You don't want to do it. 1:38:36.040 --> 1:38:39.280 No, Yes, So there you go if you if you 1:38:39.320 --> 1:38:42.720 want to tune in for me, just you have you 1:38:42.800 --> 1:38:46.960 have a hot against green bean castro all I have 1:38:47.000 --> 1:38:50.920 one against ivy. I hate I hate the climbing ivy. 1:38:50.960 --> 1:38:52.400 You can cut it down and kill it and let 1:38:52.439 --> 1:38:54.559 it die and then kind of you know, fall and 1:38:54.840 --> 1:38:56.960 but the but the like the stickers remain behind the 1:38:57.160 --> 1:38:58.160 little suckers. 1:38:57.840 --> 1:39:00.479 Will remain for quite a while. And that's why. And 1:39:00.560 --> 1:39:01.960 it looks bad too, I. 1:39:01.960 --> 1:39:03.760 Mean it just know some people, you know, you look 1:39:03.760 --> 1:39:05.679 at it, go with ivy wall, that's kind of stately 1:39:05.720 --> 1:39:09.000 and stuff. But it's it's a lot worse then. You know, 1:39:09.080 --> 1:39:12.120 the offset of the aesthetic is far worse. 1:39:12.800 --> 1:39:14.920 So if it's a garden wall, you know, if you 1:39:15.000 --> 1:39:16.719 have a moat around your. 1:39:16.560 --> 1:39:19.479 House, well, now, if you really want to do it, 1:39:19.520 --> 1:39:21.600 you can attach a trellis and stand it off the 1:39:21.640 --> 1:39:22.320 side of the house. 1:39:22.840 --> 1:39:24.640 But again, is it going to be at least a 1:39:24.640 --> 1:39:27.800 foot away from the house, because it's gonna climb, and 1:39:27.840 --> 1:39:30.200 it's gonna climb across your trellis and it's going to 1:39:30.280 --> 1:39:34.040 climb into your home and it's gonna no, just just 1:39:34.080 --> 1:39:34.479 say no. 1:39:34.560 --> 1:39:36.280 Well, and they're like, well, why did that even start 1:39:36.320 --> 1:39:38.639 in the first place. I didn't look at the history 1:39:38.640 --> 1:39:40.360 of it, but I would guess it's because back in 1:39:40.400 --> 1:39:42.360 the day people were also lazy. 1:39:42.400 --> 1:39:47.760 It's as well, absolutely well, if you put ivy in 1:39:47.800 --> 1:39:51.719 your in your landscaping beds and it looks cool because 1:39:51.760 --> 1:39:53.200 it's just it climbs. 1:39:53.080 --> 1:39:57.519 It grows, and it spreads and it's not too tall. 1:39:57.640 --> 1:40:00.000 You're also spending We spent five minutes talking about something 1:40:00.080 --> 1:40:03.160 that maybe seven people have. So that's about IV anymore. 1:40:03.160 --> 1:40:03.920 Do you see that much? 1:40:04.520 --> 1:40:05.200 I see it. 1:40:05.479 --> 1:40:07.880 I'm telling you, okay, in your dreams, you see it? Anyway? 1:40:07.960 --> 1:40:10.120 What else you got? Cold weather home maintenance? Get rid 1:40:10.160 --> 1:40:12.519 of it. By the way, let me remind you at 1:40:12.560 --> 1:40:14.360 some other point, because it's still I mean, it's still 1:40:14.400 --> 1:40:17.360 very early. Make sure you take off the faucets on 1:40:17.360 --> 1:40:18.599 the outside of your house. If you've got a hose 1:40:18.640 --> 1:40:21.880 attached to outdoor faucet, the hose bib, you got to 1:40:21.920 --> 1:40:24.879 take that off. Even if it's a frost free silcock. 1:40:26.360 --> 1:40:28.040 You got to unscrew that, take the hose off, and 1:40:28.040 --> 1:40:29.960 then take the hose and put it like in the garage, 1:40:30.040 --> 1:40:31.639 or make sure you drain it all the way too, 1:40:31.680 --> 1:40:33.840 because you know, you drag that in the garage or 1:40:33.840 --> 1:40:35.439 you put it wherever. It's still got water and it's 1:40:35.439 --> 1:40:38.000 all nasty. So let the hoses drain out and then 1:40:38.080 --> 1:40:39.479 you know, put it down the driveway for a minute. 1:40:39.520 --> 1:40:41.200 Let's let gravity do its job well. 1:40:41.080 --> 1:40:43.360 And if you wait until it's frozen, it's harder to 1:40:43.400 --> 1:40:44.080 get that off. 1:40:44.120 --> 1:40:46.400 You say you're not gonna Well, what happens is even 1:40:46.400 --> 1:40:49.360 though frost So what happens that the freezes inside the 1:40:49.400 --> 1:40:53.800 hose itself and then because cold water ice expands, it 1:40:53.840 --> 1:40:56.760 pushes itself back up the line into the house. And 1:40:57.240 --> 1:41:00.639 you don't want that it creates that that the freeze 1:41:00.640 --> 1:41:02.679 it could wind up breaking a pipe on the inside 1:41:02.680 --> 1:41:04.280 of the house. So you know, even if you have 1:41:04.360 --> 1:41:06.320 a frost free one of these things most houses do, 1:41:06.479 --> 1:41:08.000 and you may not if you have an older house. 1:41:08.560 --> 1:41:09.760 You just got to be aware of that and make 1:41:09.800 --> 1:41:11.519 sure you know, take the hostes off. It's the best 1:41:11.520 --> 1:41:12.000 thing you can. 1:41:11.920 --> 1:41:14.559 Do, right exactly. Okay, how much time we have left? 1:41:14.560 --> 1:41:16.599 Because I do have like three or four more things. 1:41:16.720 --> 1:41:18.400 You talked about ivy way too long. So this is 1:41:18.400 --> 1:41:20.320 on you again. It's poor planning in your part. It's 1:41:20.320 --> 1:41:21.519 like you, you, but. 1:41:21.520 --> 1:41:22.920 I think it's pretty interesting. 1:41:22.960 --> 1:41:24.639 We got to get to the airport, Michelle ohing cawn, 1:41:24.640 --> 1:41:27.640 but I'm out of gas stops. 1:41:27.800 --> 1:41:29.400 That isn't anything to do with the house. 1:41:29.920 --> 1:41:31.680 Poor planning in your part. You spent way too much 1:41:31.680 --> 1:41:32.719 time talking about IVY. 1:41:33.680 --> 1:41:35.120 It's fine, it's fine. 1:41:35.240 --> 1:41:39.360 Get you get your carbon monoxide right, get your smoke detective. 1:41:40.280 --> 1:41:41.080 Windows and doors. 1:41:41.880 --> 1:41:43.759 When you save the time, we should save the carbon 1:41:43.800 --> 1:41:46.280 monoxide the smoke detectives for next week, when or when 1:41:46.280 --> 1:41:48.080 the time change happens, like a week or two. 1:41:49.160 --> 1:41:52.240 Okay, all right, probably we're out of time. 1:41:52.320 --> 1:41:55.080 Yeah, because your dog. Your dog is probably crapping in 1:41:55.080 --> 1:41:55.760 the corner right now. 1:41:55.840 --> 1:41:58.160 Oh no, he scratched up the door at the office. 1:41:58.920 --> 1:41:59.080 Job. 1:42:00.200 --> 1:42:02.120 Here is something else you're gonna have to fix her. 1:42:02.160 --> 1:42:04.240 I'm just gonna have the rent here forever. 1:42:04.320 --> 1:42:07.200 Who fixes the stuff at your office? This guy? Great? Awesome? 1:42:07.240 --> 1:42:08.200 You can't control your doctor. 1:42:08.240 --> 1:42:10.559 All glad you're feeling better and you have two legs. 1:42:10.560 --> 1:42:13.479 Now now crawl you're asked to work. My wife, who 1:42:13.520 --> 1:42:17.080 I love dearly, is Michelle Sloansloan Salesholmes dot Com, Open 1:42:17.120 --> 1:42:19.559 the House Show and Remax Time in Mainville. You can 1:42:19.600 --> 1:42:21.880 catch the podcast for the iHeartRadio app and of course 1:42:21.920 --> 1:42:24.000 the show on the YouTube as well. There's fascinating guests 1:42:24.040 --> 1:42:26.559 and stuff too. She does hours and upon hours talking 1:42:26.560 --> 1:42:29.000 about IVY. All right, I gotta get going. I'll see 1:42:29.000 --> 1:42:30.719 you later. I love you. Gotta go, Gotta go because 1:42:30.800 --> 1:42:33.120 I've got Cunningham Show on the way right after news 1:42:34.120 --> 1:42:35.760 that's all coming up here on the Home of the 1:42:35.760 --> 1:42:38.280 best Bengals coverage. Got to the J. E. T. S Jets, 1:42:38.360 --> 1:42:41.679 Jets Jets on Sunday on seven hundred. W everbody Cincinnat