1 00:00:01,360 --> 00:00:05,680 Speaker 1: It's Nightside with Dan Ray on w b Z, Boston's 2 00:00:05,720 --> 00:00:06,320 Speaker 1: news radio. 3 00:00:07,440 --> 00:00:12,559 Speaker 2: This is the Nightside College Admissions Panel, number nineteen. We've 4 00:00:12,600 --> 00:00:15,920 Speaker 2: done one of these every year since the fall of 5 00:00:15,960 --> 00:00:18,439 Speaker 2: two thousand and seven, when Nightside first went on the 6 00:00:18,480 --> 00:00:21,720 Speaker 2: air with us tonight for the nineteenth year in a 7 00:00:21,800 --> 00:00:26,720 Speaker 2: row is the Dean of Admission and of Admissions and 8 00:00:26,840 --> 00:00:31,160 Speaker 2: Financial Aid at Harvard University, Bill Fitzimmons, and also with 9 00:00:31,320 --> 00:00:35,360 Speaker 2: US as Grant Costling, same title. I think the effect 10 00:00:35,520 --> 00:00:38,840 Speaker 2: the press release you have been involved in the admissions 11 00:00:38,880 --> 00:00:44,960 Speaker 2: process Grant at Boston College for several years, but I 12 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:48,040 Speaker 2: believe that today you assume the title of Dean of 13 00:00:48,159 --> 00:00:51,520 Speaker 2: Admissions and Financial Aid at Boston College. And again i'd 14 00:00:51,520 --> 00:00:55,800 Speaker 2: like to congratulate you on achieving that that position. So 15 00:00:56,160 --> 00:00:59,200 Speaker 2: I thank both of you for being here. And again 16 00:00:59,240 --> 00:01:01,480 Speaker 2: I encourage folks if they would like to call and 17 00:01:01,520 --> 00:01:04,479 Speaker 2: ask a question. I think we've intimidated people tonight, which 18 00:01:04,560 --> 00:01:10,480 Speaker 2: is very uncharacteristic. But look, if you have no questions, 19 00:01:12,319 --> 00:01:15,320 Speaker 2: I think you're you're not playing along with us here 20 00:01:15,360 --> 00:01:20,839 Speaker 2: because there's so many questions. Let's talk just briefly. There's 21 00:01:20,840 --> 00:01:24,399 Speaker 2: a there's a program called Naviance which has been around 22 00:01:24,400 --> 00:01:26,840 Speaker 2: for a while, and I suspect that that is a 23 00:01:26,880 --> 00:01:31,920 Speaker 2: program that most high school guidance counselors have access to. 24 00:01:32,959 --> 00:01:34,920 Speaker 2: I'm going to ask you, Grint, if you'd like to 25 00:01:34,959 --> 00:01:40,080 Speaker 2: start it off this hour, explain exactly what Naviance does. 26 00:01:41,160 --> 00:01:46,920 Speaker 2: I believe that it tracks students from this a school 27 00:01:47,120 --> 00:01:51,640 Speaker 2: and how how they have done in applying to colleges, 28 00:01:52,200 --> 00:01:57,400 Speaker 2: and it does I think have some some value when 29 00:01:58,280 --> 00:02:01,240 Speaker 2: when a family or a student are sitting down and 30 00:02:01,280 --> 00:02:04,560 Speaker 2: thinking about where they might like to go. Can you 31 00:02:04,600 --> 00:02:06,320 Speaker 2: take that to start, Grant, please. 32 00:02:06,720 --> 00:02:07,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'd be happy to. So. 33 00:02:07,880 --> 00:02:11,720 Speaker 4: Naviance was established about twenty five years ago, so it's 34 00:02:11,720 --> 00:02:14,400 Speaker 4: been on the market for a long time. And really 35 00:02:14,440 --> 00:02:19,640 Speaker 4: it's a tool that high schools use to manage their students. 36 00:02:20,360 --> 00:02:23,320 Speaker 4: So it really begins with a course scheduling module that 37 00:02:23,440 --> 00:02:27,040 Speaker 4: helps students beginning in ninth grade select their courses and 38 00:02:27,120 --> 00:02:28,160 Speaker 4: see their schedules. 39 00:02:28,240 --> 00:02:29,320 Speaker 3: It allows the. 40 00:02:29,320 --> 00:02:33,840 Speaker 4: School counselors and teachers to communicate with students, and then 41 00:02:33,919 --> 00:02:37,840 Speaker 4: it does have a functionality associated with the college application 42 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:41,720 Speaker 4: process that allows students to create lists and share with 43 00:02:41,800 --> 00:02:46,359 Speaker 4: their college counselors, their high school counselors where they intend 44 00:02:46,440 --> 00:02:50,239 Speaker 4: to apply and begin that dialogue. It allows the high 45 00:02:50,280 --> 00:02:53,840 Speaker 4: schools themselves to send it documents to colleges so that 46 00:02:54,160 --> 00:02:58,160 Speaker 4: transcripts and recommendations can be sent securely. So it really 47 00:02:58,240 --> 00:03:02,200 Speaker 4: is this all encompassing plat form that supports high school 48 00:03:02,200 --> 00:03:05,480 Speaker 4: students as they move through their four years at the 49 00:03:05,480 --> 00:03:08,840 Speaker 4: secondary level. About thirty five percent of high schools around 50 00:03:08,840 --> 00:03:12,440 Speaker 4: the country use Naveance and it has its own competitors 51 00:03:12,520 --> 00:03:16,840 Speaker 4: maya learning score. Many other systems like it. But one 52 00:03:16,880 --> 00:03:19,920 Speaker 4: of the tools that you just reference does allow students 53 00:03:19,919 --> 00:03:24,799 Speaker 4: to go and look at past applicants. It is does 54 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:27,800 Speaker 4: not identify these applicants, but it will give them a 55 00:03:27,800 --> 00:03:30,840 Speaker 4: bit of a scattergram and allow them to look at 56 00:03:31,160 --> 00:03:34,400 Speaker 4: the success or lack thereof, of applicants in the past 57 00:03:34,480 --> 00:03:38,640 Speaker 4: from that school to a variety of colleges and universities. 58 00:03:38,960 --> 00:03:42,640 Speaker 4: It allows them to look and see you on that 59 00:03:42,720 --> 00:03:47,000 Speaker 4: scattergram what that student's GPA was or their SAT scores, 60 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:51,040 Speaker 4: and allows students again to get some context in terms 61 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:55,640 Speaker 4: of history from that particular high school. Now students have 62 00:03:55,720 --> 00:03:58,480 Speaker 4: to take that with a grain of salt. They don't 63 00:03:58,520 --> 00:04:02,480 Speaker 4: know those students don't know their backgrounds, why those students 64 00:04:02,520 --> 00:04:06,200 Speaker 4: may have been successful. There may have been different elements 65 00:04:06,200 --> 00:04:10,600 Speaker 4: of their application that can't a scattered gram chart can't show, 66 00:04:11,240 --> 00:04:14,280 Speaker 4: but it does give them a general sense. If they're 67 00:04:14,520 --> 00:04:17,760 Speaker 4: looking at an institution and nobody from that high school 68 00:04:17,800 --> 00:04:20,760 Speaker 4: has earned admission with less than a three point six GPA, 69 00:04:21,279 --> 00:04:23,440 Speaker 4: and that student has a two point eight gpa, they 70 00:04:23,440 --> 00:04:27,240 Speaker 4: have to have some honest conversations about whether that might 71 00:04:27,320 --> 00:04:30,240 Speaker 4: be a wise choice to add to their list, but 72 00:04:30,320 --> 00:04:31,800 Speaker 4: it does give them that context. 73 00:04:32,080 --> 00:04:35,359 Speaker 2: Bill Fitzsimmons quick comment. In terms of Harvard, obviously in 74 00:04:35,400 --> 00:04:39,719 Speaker 2: Boston College are two very selective schools, both of you handle. 75 00:04:40,560 --> 00:04:45,239 Speaker 2: I think the number of applications is upwards of thirty 76 00:04:45,360 --> 00:04:50,039 Speaker 2: or more thirty or more thousand per year. For I 77 00:04:50,080 --> 00:04:54,000 Speaker 2: think the number at Harvard is is it still sixteen hundred, 78 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:55,320 Speaker 2: Bill fit Simmons. 79 00:04:55,760 --> 00:04:58,720 Speaker 5: Sixteen hundred and fifty space is right, And we had 80 00:04:58,720 --> 00:05:04,680 Speaker 5: about forty eight thousand applicants last year. So it is 81 00:05:04,720 --> 00:05:07,520 Speaker 5: one of those things though, and I think Grant really 82 00:05:07,560 --> 00:05:11,680 Speaker 5: touched on it. You're looking at these profiles, even on 83 00:05:11,760 --> 00:05:15,279 Speaker 5: something as good as navviants, it doesn't really give you 84 00:05:15,320 --> 00:05:19,839 Speaker 5: a definitive answer. You know, it's a good place to start. 85 00:05:21,240 --> 00:05:24,640 Speaker 5: But who knows. You may have something special. You know 86 00:05:24,720 --> 00:05:27,680 Speaker 5: that some of the others from your high school didn't have, 87 00:05:28,040 --> 00:05:30,920 Speaker 5: you know, when you when they were going through the process. 88 00:05:30,960 --> 00:05:33,960 Speaker 5: So it's not just a numbers process, but I think 89 00:05:33,960 --> 00:05:36,960 Speaker 5: it's a It is indeed a good place to start. 90 00:05:37,480 --> 00:05:41,760 Speaker 2: Okay, and grant, I assume that the number of applications 91 00:05:41,839 --> 00:05:46,159 Speaker 2: to BC is probably similar and certainly continues to grow 92 00:05:46,200 --> 00:05:50,400 Speaker 2: every year. Its profile is even greater now than it 93 00:05:50,600 --> 00:05:53,080 Speaker 2: was twenty or twenty five years ago. 94 00:05:53,480 --> 00:05:56,000 Speaker 3: Nationally it is. Yeah, it continues to evolve. 95 00:05:56,440 --> 00:05:59,720 Speaker 4: We seek a class of about twenty three hundred students 96 00:05:59,720 --> 00:06:04,640 Speaker 4: and just around forty thousand applications last year, so similar 97 00:06:04,720 --> 00:06:08,760 Speaker 4: numbers to what Harvard has experienced as well. 98 00:06:08,880 --> 00:06:11,520 Speaker 2: Let's let me get a phone call or two in 99 00:06:11,560 --> 00:06:14,120 Speaker 2: here if we can start off, because I think that's 100 00:06:14,160 --> 00:06:16,560 Speaker 2: important that some other areas I want to talk about. 101 00:06:16,920 --> 00:06:19,880 Speaker 2: We go next to Brian in Worcester. Brian and Woroster, 102 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:23,440 Speaker 2: you are next, this our first this hour and nightside. 103 00:06:23,440 --> 00:06:23,800 Speaker 3: Welcome. 104 00:06:24,839 --> 00:06:28,080 Speaker 6: Hey, Dan, it's up. Brian Shortsleeves Colin I am running 105 00:06:28,160 --> 00:06:30,760 Speaker 6: for governor. And Dean Fitzimmons, You've always been a great 106 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:34,320 Speaker 6: support of ROTC at Harvard. I attended Harvard on a 107 00:06:34,360 --> 00:06:37,960 Speaker 6: Marine Corps Rotzi scholarship, and I'm just a curious sort 108 00:06:37,960 --> 00:06:40,240 Speaker 6: of at Harvard and BC the status of the ROXY 109 00:06:40,360 --> 00:06:43,040 Speaker 6: programs and how you're sort of working with high school 110 00:06:43,080 --> 00:06:45,600 Speaker 6: students that might want to serve in the military to 111 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:48,000 Speaker 6: bring those scholarships to Harvard or BC. 112 00:06:48,480 --> 00:06:51,640 Speaker 2: It's a great question. It's one that I had not anticipated, Brian, 113 00:06:51,680 --> 00:06:53,040 Speaker 2: but that is a great question. 114 00:06:53,520 --> 00:06:56,479 Speaker 6: Wow at Harvard and Rozzi scholarship. For me, it's personal 115 00:06:56,480 --> 00:06:58,880 Speaker 6: and Dean sit Simmons, You've always been great, great with 116 00:06:58,960 --> 00:07:00,919 Speaker 6: the military, great with so thank. 117 00:07:00,760 --> 00:07:03,920 Speaker 5: You, no, thank you, and thank you for bringing it up, 118 00:07:03,960 --> 00:07:05,839 Speaker 5: because I think a lot of times people may not 119 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:09,320 Speaker 5: be as aware as they might be about what's going on. 120 00:07:09,720 --> 00:07:13,880 Speaker 5: So in recent years we've been getting anywhere from say 121 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:17,680 Speaker 5: forty to this year this you know, first year class 122 00:07:17,680 --> 00:07:22,640 Speaker 5: sixty seven people who were admitted either they had either 123 00:07:22,680 --> 00:07:25,480 Speaker 5: as we would say, the Rozzi letter, or they're intended 124 00:07:25,520 --> 00:07:28,600 Speaker 5: to major, you know, to take part in ROTZI. So 125 00:07:28,720 --> 00:07:33,280 Speaker 5: that's a good number. So it's been going up. Actually 126 00:07:33,280 --> 00:07:38,800 Speaker 5: in recent years, veterans has been a real growth area 127 00:07:38,920 --> 00:07:42,360 Speaker 5: for US. This year we have sixteen veterans in the 128 00:07:42,400 --> 00:07:45,720 Speaker 5: first year class, and in recent years we've had between 129 00:07:45,840 --> 00:07:51,000 Speaker 5: fifteen and twenty veterans and they're incredible people, you know people, 130 00:07:51,040 --> 00:07:55,000 Speaker 5: and they're different ages obviously because they've been out for 131 00:07:55,040 --> 00:07:58,240 Speaker 5: a bit. Some of them come in in their thirties, 132 00:07:58,280 --> 00:08:02,040 Speaker 5: and it does remind me a little bit. Harvard has 133 00:08:02,840 --> 00:08:06,080 Speaker 5: a great history with the military, and you know, a 134 00:08:06,080 --> 00:08:10,640 Speaker 5: lot of the people who came in after World War Two, 135 00:08:10,880 --> 00:08:16,560 Speaker 5: huge numbers of veterans actually changed Harvard in very fundamental 136 00:08:16,600 --> 00:08:20,000 Speaker 5: ways and convinced the faculty that having people from a 137 00:08:20,080 --> 00:08:22,800 Speaker 5: much wider variety of backgrounds than they've had in the 138 00:08:22,840 --> 00:08:26,280 Speaker 5: past makes sense. And the veterans certainly brought in all 139 00:08:26,360 --> 00:08:31,840 Speaker 5: kinds of different levels of expertise and different social class 140 00:08:31,920 --> 00:08:36,199 Speaker 5: backgrounds and so on. So we're very excited, as I say, 141 00:08:36,240 --> 00:08:40,000 Speaker 5: we've made great progress over the past five, six, seven, 142 00:08:40,040 --> 00:08:43,079 Speaker 5: eight years, and we're looking for more progress. So if 143 00:08:43,120 --> 00:08:46,360 Speaker 5: you are a veteran or if you're a person interested 144 00:08:46,400 --> 00:08:49,080 Speaker 5: in our PC, we're a great to look at. 145 00:08:49,679 --> 00:08:55,160 Speaker 2: And ROTC refers to Reserve Office of Training SCREPS. Does 146 00:08:55,200 --> 00:09:00,800 Speaker 2: that mean defit? Simmons thatad if somebody completes their degree 147 00:09:00,880 --> 00:09:05,319 Speaker 2: at Harvard and is a member of ROTC at Harvard 148 00:09:05,600 --> 00:09:10,800 Speaker 2: that when they graduate, they also commissioned as a military officer. 149 00:09:11,520 --> 00:09:14,559 Speaker 5: Absolutely, and they go on to do all kinds of 150 00:09:14,640 --> 00:09:18,520 Speaker 5: interesting things. I just heard from a terrific young woman 151 00:09:19,400 --> 00:09:22,920 Speaker 5: who is just completed this is her first year out 152 00:09:23,040 --> 00:09:28,199 Speaker 5: and she was in ROTZI and she is just completed 153 00:09:28,240 --> 00:09:32,440 Speaker 5: her pilot training for a solo and so she intends 154 00:09:32,480 --> 00:09:36,920 Speaker 5: to be a military pilot and then perhaps like her father, 155 00:09:38,120 --> 00:09:42,040 Speaker 5: become a commercial airline pilot. But so we'll see. But 156 00:09:42,320 --> 00:09:45,840 Speaker 5: it's really exciting. But I had a roommate who was 157 00:09:45,880 --> 00:09:48,920 Speaker 5: in Navy ROZI and he ended up going into the 158 00:09:49,320 --> 00:09:54,640 Speaker 5: brick Over Nuclear Power program for submarines and did amazing 159 00:09:54,720 --> 00:09:56,920 Speaker 5: things there and then with the rest of his life. 160 00:09:58,480 --> 00:10:01,960 Speaker 5: So that you know, can lead you in many, many 161 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:03,640 Speaker 5: different directions. 162 00:10:03,160 --> 00:10:06,520 Speaker 2: And to keep it bipartisan. Brian, I know that you're 163 00:10:06,679 --> 00:10:11,200 Speaker 2: running for Governor's Republican Seth Moulton is a graduate of 164 00:10:11,280 --> 00:10:15,839 Speaker 2: Harvard University and also went through the ROTC program. I 165 00:10:15,880 --> 00:10:18,720 Speaker 2: believe it's an undergraduate. If I'm wrong on that, someone 166 00:10:18,760 --> 00:10:20,360 Speaker 2: correct me, but I believe I'm correct. 167 00:10:21,440 --> 00:10:23,920 Speaker 6: Yeah, as well as Jake Alcincloss. A lot of Harvard 168 00:10:23,920 --> 00:10:24,680 Speaker 6: Marines out there. 169 00:10:24,840 --> 00:10:27,319 Speaker 2: Yes, right, I should have mentioned Congressman Oic and class 170 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:29,600 Speaker 2: as well. Brian, thank you for bringing it up. That's 171 00:10:29,600 --> 00:10:31,800 Speaker 2: a great question and it's something that people should be 172 00:10:31,840 --> 00:10:36,200 Speaker 2: aware of. And as Bill Fitzimmons said, there are a 173 00:10:36,320 --> 00:10:41,079 Speaker 2: lot of military people who and we will talk about this. 174 00:10:42,559 --> 00:10:46,480 Speaker 2: You'll come back after their their service time and they 175 00:10:46,520 --> 00:10:50,680 Speaker 2: either reply as an undergraduate or depending upon their situation. 176 00:10:50,840 --> 00:10:52,920 Speaker 2: You have the Harvard Extension School, you have the wood 177 00:10:53,120 --> 00:10:56,439 Speaker 2: Woods College of Advancing Studies at Boston College. There are 178 00:10:56,480 --> 00:10:59,960 Speaker 2: many different avenues and we're going to talk about the 179 00:11:00,200 --> 00:11:03,120 Speaker 2: as well. Brian, thank you very much. I very much 180 00:11:03,120 --> 00:11:05,319 Speaker 2: appreciate you asking that question tonight. 181 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:08,240 Speaker 5: Thanks Brian, thank you, Thank you Dad. 182 00:11:08,400 --> 00:11:11,240 Speaker 6: Thank these Pacimics for your leadership always on Ross. You've 183 00:11:11,240 --> 00:11:12,440 Speaker 6: been a great friend of the program. 184 00:11:12,559 --> 00:11:14,640 Speaker 2: And let me get while you're here real quickly, let 185 00:11:14,720 --> 00:11:18,680 Speaker 2: me get Dean Goslin in on our ROTC at Boston College. 186 00:11:18,720 --> 00:11:21,319 Speaker 2: I assume it exists there as well, Dean gossp it. 187 00:11:21,280 --> 00:11:22,760 Speaker 3: Does, Dan, Yeah, I appreciate that. 188 00:11:22,840 --> 00:11:22,959 Speaker 6: You know. 189 00:11:23,040 --> 00:11:29,080 Speaker 4: So, Boston College offers RTC programs in US Army, Air Force, Navy. 190 00:11:30,160 --> 00:11:35,920 Speaker 4: We're proud members as Yellow Ribbon partners that provides scholarships 191 00:11:35,920 --> 00:11:39,560 Speaker 4: that help fund tuition not covered by the post GI bill, 192 00:11:39,640 --> 00:11:42,200 Speaker 4: the Post nine to eleven GI bill, and so it 193 00:11:42,280 --> 00:11:47,679 Speaker 4: really does provide a great opportunity for students that again 194 00:11:47,800 --> 00:11:52,719 Speaker 4: are not only interested in RTC, but our veterans themselves. 195 00:11:53,440 --> 00:11:56,520 Speaker 4: We have about one hundred and eighty veterans studying at 196 00:11:56,520 --> 00:11:59,440 Speaker 4: Boston College, either at the undergraduate or graduate levels, and 197 00:11:59,480 --> 00:12:03,400 Speaker 4: so does provide again a lot of good resources for 198 00:12:03,559 --> 00:12:08,000 Speaker 4: students that are thinking about that, either as undergraduates or 199 00:12:08,600 --> 00:12:09,800 Speaker 4: in their graduate degrees. 200 00:12:10,360 --> 00:12:12,920 Speaker 2: Great appreciate very much again, Brian, Thank you, sir. We've 201 00:12:12,920 --> 00:12:14,120 Speaker 2: talked soon. Thank you, my. 202 00:12:14,080 --> 00:12:15,080 Speaker 6: Friend, thank you. 203 00:12:15,480 --> 00:12:17,520 Speaker 2: All right, we're going to take quick break. We're going 204 00:12:17,600 --> 00:12:20,080 Speaker 2: to come back again. That's that's a great question. That 205 00:12:20,240 --> 00:12:24,400 Speaker 2: opens up an area of conversation which I might have 206 00:12:24,480 --> 00:12:27,439 Speaker 2: not gotten to. So again, your calls are very important. 207 00:12:27,480 --> 00:12:30,440 Speaker 2: Six one, seven, two, five, four ten thirty six one seven, 208 00:12:30,520 --> 00:12:33,240 Speaker 2: nine three one ten thirty. We'll be back with more 209 00:12:33,280 --> 00:12:37,400 Speaker 2: phone calls and more conversations with the deans. The deans 210 00:12:37,480 --> 00:12:41,600 Speaker 2: plural of admission and financial aid at both Harvard University. 211 00:12:41,640 --> 00:12:44,520 Speaker 2: Bill fitz Simmons is with us for his nineteenth year 212 00:12:44,880 --> 00:12:48,840 Speaker 2: and grant Goslin, who represents Boston College. He's represented that 213 00:12:48,880 --> 00:12:53,240 Speaker 2: school so effectively for the last five or six years. 214 00:12:53,280 --> 00:12:56,840 Speaker 2: Before him, John Mahoney was with us for about I 215 00:12:56,880 --> 00:13:00,160 Speaker 2: would say a dozen or so years. We're sped. We've 216 00:13:00,200 --> 00:13:03,680 Speaker 2: had two representatives from BC and one from Harvard, and 217 00:13:03,800 --> 00:13:06,200 Speaker 2: I like it that way because there is continuity, and 218 00:13:06,320 --> 00:13:07,920 Speaker 2: I will like it even more when some of you 219 00:13:07,960 --> 00:13:11,160 Speaker 2: pick up the phone and give us a call. Six one, seven, two, five, four, 220 00:13:11,240 --> 00:13:13,920 Speaker 2: ten thirty and love to hear from some students. We 221 00:13:14,120 --> 00:13:17,920 Speaker 2: always hear from students late in the program, and we 222 00:13:17,960 --> 00:13:21,440 Speaker 2: are going to be wrapping this up within this hour. 223 00:13:21,559 --> 00:13:23,720 Speaker 2: So please, if you're out there as a student and 224 00:13:23,840 --> 00:13:28,440 Speaker 2: you have a question, and don't be intimidated. These These 225 00:13:28,480 --> 00:13:33,120 Speaker 2: are two gentlemen who enjoy talking to students. Six one seven, two, five, 226 00:13:33,160 --> 00:13:35,839 Speaker 2: four ten thirty six one seven nine three one ten thirty. 227 00:13:35,840 --> 00:13:37,600 Speaker 2: B Right back on Nightside. 228 00:13:38,120 --> 00:13:42,800 Speaker 1: It's Nightside with Dan Ray on Boston's news radio. 229 00:13:43,600 --> 00:13:46,000 Speaker 2: By the way, gentlemen joined the break. I just took 230 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:52,360 Speaker 2: a moment and I googled ROTC programs, where they are 231 00:13:52,400 --> 00:13:55,240 Speaker 2: and how they work. There's a great piece in USA 232 00:13:55,960 --> 00:13:59,320 Speaker 2: rather a US and News and World Report, which came 233 00:13:59,360 --> 00:14:03,640 Speaker 2: out on Halloween, so it's about a week old, and 234 00:14:03,760 --> 00:14:08,600 Speaker 2: you can just google anyone who's interested in ROTC. It's 235 00:14:08,679 --> 00:14:14,160 Speaker 2: part of the best Colleges US news rankings, What rot filgram, 236 00:14:14,280 --> 00:14:18,880 Speaker 2: what rot ROTC programs are, and how they work. R 237 00:14:18,920 --> 00:14:22,320 Speaker 2: ROTC programs help fund college and prepare students for military 238 00:14:22,400 --> 00:14:26,680 Speaker 2: service after they graduate. Gentlemen, let's go back to the phones. 239 00:14:26,760 --> 00:14:29,400 Speaker 2: Let me go to Bill on Cape card. Bill, you 240 00:14:29,440 --> 00:14:32,760 Speaker 2: are next on Night Side with Dean Bill Fitzsimmons of 241 00:14:32,800 --> 00:14:35,040 Speaker 2: Harvard and Dean Grant Goslin of Boston College. 242 00:14:35,080 --> 00:14:40,600 Speaker 7: Go right ahead, Bill, Hello, Dan, and Dean's My daughters 243 00:14:40,640 --> 00:14:44,320 Speaker 7: are already through God. So I'm reflecting back if I 244 00:14:44,400 --> 00:14:47,800 Speaker 7: listened to you, and I guess the topic is sort 245 00:14:47,800 --> 00:14:55,040 Speaker 7: of rankings, rankings of school districts. And I'm remembering way 246 00:14:55,040 --> 00:14:59,120 Speaker 7: back when seeing other parents whip open a Boston magazine 247 00:14:59,160 --> 00:15:03,400 Speaker 7: and decide, you know, and look where their school district 248 00:15:03,440 --> 00:15:07,000 Speaker 7: fell in those rankings of high schools, and you know, 249 00:15:07,080 --> 00:15:11,000 Speaker 7: basing decisions about where to live, and you know the 250 00:15:11,080 --> 00:15:15,640 Speaker 7: value of homes on those real quick. I guess the 251 00:15:15,680 --> 00:15:18,240 Speaker 7: story that I also think of is in my school 252 00:15:18,240 --> 00:15:21,200 Speaker 7: district where my daughters went they didn't offer that many 253 00:15:21,280 --> 00:15:24,520 Speaker 7: AP classes, and there's always this big debate when the 254 00:15:24,600 --> 00:15:26,920 Speaker 7: rankings come out, Oh we need to do that. But 255 00:15:27,120 --> 00:15:31,400 Speaker 7: in the college process, admissions process, I recall once being 256 00:15:31,400 --> 00:15:35,040 Speaker 7: on campus. This is the last thing I'll say. And 257 00:15:35,080 --> 00:15:38,440 Speaker 7: my daughter just casually mentioned what high school he was 258 00:15:38,440 --> 00:15:41,440 Speaker 7: from in one of these tours, and the admissions counselor 259 00:15:42,960 --> 00:15:46,840 Speaker 7: very like knew our school very well. And so I 260 00:15:46,840 --> 00:15:52,240 Speaker 7: guess what I'm curious about is how your universities and 261 00:15:52,280 --> 00:15:57,480 Speaker 7: colleges track the outcomes of the students from various high 262 00:15:57,480 --> 00:16:04,480 Speaker 7: schools at your universities of colleges to determine whether that's 263 00:16:04,520 --> 00:16:07,840 Speaker 7: a school that you want to look closely at for 264 00:16:07,920 --> 00:16:08,920 Speaker 7: admitting more students. 265 00:16:08,960 --> 00:16:11,600 Speaker 2: So they try to correlate the success of the students 266 00:16:11,600 --> 00:16:15,080 Speaker 2: that have already admitted as a factor in whether or 267 00:16:15,160 --> 00:16:18,600 Speaker 2: not future students have a bit of an edge or 268 00:16:19,320 --> 00:16:24,600 Speaker 2: lack thereof. Is what your question is? I think, Yeah, Okay, 269 00:16:24,720 --> 00:16:27,280 Speaker 2: let's see, let's get it. Let's grahat would you take 270 00:16:27,280 --> 00:16:27,720 Speaker 2: that first? 271 00:16:29,080 --> 00:16:30,960 Speaker 3: Into Bill? Thanks so much for your question. 272 00:16:31,520 --> 00:16:34,320 Speaker 4: You know, I think we spend a lot of time 273 00:16:34,400 --> 00:16:38,760 Speaker 4: as an admission staff learning about the high schools, both 274 00:16:38,800 --> 00:16:43,360 Speaker 4: locally and nationally and around the world. We can't possibly 275 00:16:43,400 --> 00:16:46,400 Speaker 4: know every high school, but whenever a student applies to 276 00:16:46,880 --> 00:16:49,600 Speaker 4: a college, they will submit their high school will submit 277 00:16:49,640 --> 00:16:52,920 Speaker 4: what's known as a high school profile, which will tell 278 00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:55,640 Speaker 4: us a bit about that school system, about the courses 279 00:16:55,680 --> 00:16:59,240 Speaker 4: that are offered in that school, about the success of 280 00:16:59,280 --> 00:17:02,040 Speaker 4: their graduates, how many of them have gone off to college, 281 00:17:02,040 --> 00:17:06,400 Speaker 4: what types of colleges perhaps they've explored. And I think 282 00:17:06,400 --> 00:17:10,600 Speaker 4: it's our job as admission professionals to be realistic about 283 00:17:10,640 --> 00:17:16,080 Speaker 4: what an individual applicant has available to them, And in 284 00:17:16,119 --> 00:17:19,919 Speaker 4: your daughter's experience, if there weren't as many AP's offered 285 00:17:19,960 --> 00:17:23,520 Speaker 4: at that school, we can't expect them to be taking 286 00:17:23,560 --> 00:17:26,280 Speaker 4: the same number of AP courses as a student at 287 00:17:26,280 --> 00:17:29,800 Speaker 4: a school in the next town over. So we're really 288 00:17:29,800 --> 00:17:34,119 Speaker 4: looking at each student individually as candidates. We're looking at 289 00:17:34,119 --> 00:17:37,720 Speaker 4: them in context of their high schools and what's available 290 00:17:37,760 --> 00:17:41,840 Speaker 4: to them at selective institutions. We're going to expect that 291 00:17:41,960 --> 00:17:46,240 Speaker 4: the best students have taken advantage of the courses available 292 00:17:46,240 --> 00:17:50,320 Speaker 4: to them at the extent to the extent possible. In 293 00:17:50,400 --> 00:17:52,720 Speaker 4: terms of tracking outcomes, we do have the ability to 294 00:17:52,720 --> 00:17:56,960 Speaker 4: look at students' success. We have reports that will give 295 00:17:57,040 --> 00:18:01,520 Speaker 4: us indicators of how students are bearing at Boston College 296 00:18:01,520 --> 00:18:05,159 Speaker 4: once they enroll and can look back at the performance 297 00:18:05,200 --> 00:18:07,120 Speaker 4: that they had in high school, the courses that they 298 00:18:07,160 --> 00:18:10,600 Speaker 4: took as a measuring stick to make sure that future 299 00:18:10,600 --> 00:18:15,639 Speaker 4: students are being appropriately evaluated and that we're setting students 300 00:18:15,720 --> 00:18:18,840 Speaker 4: up for success by admitting those that were confident and 301 00:18:19,040 --> 00:18:21,520 Speaker 4: can really thrive when they arrive on our campus. 302 00:18:21,960 --> 00:18:26,400 Speaker 2: Bill Fitzimmons, quick comment from your perspective across the river 303 00:18:26,480 --> 00:18:28,159 Speaker 2: in Cambridge right now. 304 00:18:28,240 --> 00:18:30,119 Speaker 5: I think Grant covered a lot of it, but I 305 00:18:30,119 --> 00:18:33,480 Speaker 5: would say just a couple of thanks. You remember, we're 306 00:18:33,520 --> 00:18:38,560 Speaker 5: admitting students, not schools, and one of the things that 307 00:18:39,080 --> 00:18:42,080 Speaker 5: we're always looking at, we know, you know that life 308 00:18:42,359 --> 00:18:45,840 Speaker 5: is very unfair and lots of respects because you know, 309 00:18:46,160 --> 00:18:49,119 Speaker 5: students are lucky enough to grow up in towns with 310 00:18:49,600 --> 00:18:55,200 Speaker 5: huge you know, the large amounts of resources of all kinds, 311 00:18:55,400 --> 00:18:58,600 Speaker 5: and you know it's just you know, an education rich 312 00:18:58,880 --> 00:19:04,240 Speaker 5: environment and students who go to school and places like that, 313 00:19:04,720 --> 00:19:08,760 Speaker 5: no question, I think are very lucky. But there are 314 00:19:08,800 --> 00:19:13,000 Speaker 5: others that really haven't had the opportunity to go to 315 00:19:13,040 --> 00:19:15,480 Speaker 5: a place. As Grant said, you know, maybe there aren't 316 00:19:15,560 --> 00:19:21,879 Speaker 5: any or very few ap opportunities, or one of the 317 00:19:21,920 --> 00:19:25,920 Speaker 5: things we see now is that there aren't the same 318 00:19:26,040 --> 00:19:30,600 Speaker 5: kind of even athletic opportunities or extracurricular opportunities at many 319 00:19:30,600 --> 00:19:34,160 Speaker 5: of the high schools with fewer resources. So when we're 320 00:19:34,160 --> 00:19:36,879 Speaker 5: looking at students, I guess the way I think about 321 00:19:36,920 --> 00:19:39,800 Speaker 5: it is we say, okay, here's a student who has 322 00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:44,200 Speaker 5: come from you know, this family background, living in this neighborhood, 323 00:19:44,320 --> 00:19:49,640 Speaker 5: living in this community, with these opportunities. What advantage has 324 00:19:49,680 --> 00:19:54,879 Speaker 5: this student taken of these opportunities, and we kind of 325 00:19:54,920 --> 00:19:58,520 Speaker 5: go from there. Sometimes you say, well, we've had some 326 00:19:58,640 --> 00:20:00,919 Speaker 5: very good students from the school before, so we can 327 00:20:00,960 --> 00:20:03,840 Speaker 5: feel confident about it. Another way to look at it 328 00:20:03,920 --> 00:20:07,440 Speaker 5: and say, see, we've never had anybody from the school before, 329 00:20:07,840 --> 00:20:11,160 Speaker 5: and this student has done really well given the opportunities 330 00:20:11,160 --> 00:20:15,160 Speaker 5: the students had, and maybe if we admit this student 331 00:20:15,280 --> 00:20:17,560 Speaker 5: and a student comes in has a good experience, that 332 00:20:17,640 --> 00:20:20,439 Speaker 5: will open up a whole new school for us. So, 333 00:20:21,040 --> 00:20:25,520 Speaker 5: you know, it's it's complicated, I guess, but build up 334 00:20:25,640 --> 00:20:28,439 Speaker 5: that that really is a great question because you know, 335 00:20:28,560 --> 00:20:35,879 Speaker 5: given the socioeconomic segregation in America, that's that's the key question. 336 00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:40,680 Speaker 5: And I worry a lot that there are talented students 337 00:20:40,680 --> 00:20:44,640 Speaker 5: who don't get the same opportunities as others, and that's 338 00:20:44,680 --> 00:20:48,560 Speaker 5: a huge waste for our country. So, you know, I 339 00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:51,760 Speaker 5: guess it's one of one of the things we've seen 340 00:20:51,880 --> 00:20:56,320 Speaker 5: sometimes with some of our veterans who maybe didn't focus 341 00:20:56,359 --> 00:20:59,800 Speaker 5: as much, sort as as I didn't focus as much 342 00:20:59,840 --> 00:21:02,240 Speaker 5: in my first ninth grade. But they go off to 343 00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:07,119 Speaker 5: great things in the service and then they apply to us, uh, 344 00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:11,359 Speaker 5: and you know, they do great things. So it's a 345 00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:15,320 Speaker 5: complicated and interesting question, Bill, and it's one of the 346 00:21:15,359 --> 00:21:19,040 Speaker 5: things every community has to ask itself. Are you doing 347 00:21:19,119 --> 00:21:21,520 Speaker 5: everything you can to help the great young people in 348 00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:22,440 Speaker 5: your community? 349 00:21:23,080 --> 00:21:27,800 Speaker 2: Sounds like it's calculus not mathematics, Bill, great questions. 350 00:21:27,880 --> 00:21:31,800 Speaker 7: Those both excellent answers. Thank you. You know, I get 351 00:21:31,840 --> 00:21:35,280 Speaker 7: to get to how university's problem and net of you 352 00:21:35,320 --> 00:21:38,119 Speaker 7: know what schools uh they open up. 353 00:21:38,320 --> 00:21:40,399 Speaker 2: We're gonna we're gonna get to that right after this 354 00:21:40,520 --> 00:21:44,560 Speaker 2: break built. That's the next on the agenda. These these gentlemen, 355 00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:46,719 Speaker 2: Bill travel quite a bit. We'll talk a little bit 356 00:21:46,760 --> 00:21:49,640 Speaker 2: about that as well. Appreciate your call, Bill, Thanks so much. 357 00:21:49,840 --> 00:21:53,240 Speaker 2: Hope your daughters have had great success. Thank you very much. 358 00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:55,800 Speaker 2: We'll take a very quick break. Got some lines open 359 00:21:55,880 --> 00:22:00,359 Speaker 2: six one seven, two thirty, six, one seven, nine, tenth thirty. 360 00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:03,359 Speaker 2: Still look over that first student or two that may 361 00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:05,920 Speaker 2: have the courage to call. Takes a little bit of 362 00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:08,080 Speaker 2: a courage, but you know you can summon that. Back 363 00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:09,960 Speaker 2: on Nightside, we got a news break coming up, and 364 00:22:10,119 --> 00:22:13,159 Speaker 2: we will have about twenty more minutes, so if you 365 00:22:13,240 --> 00:22:15,680 Speaker 2: want to get in, now is the time to dial. 366 00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:18,680 Speaker 2: Back on Night Side with Bill Fitzsimmons, the Dean of 367 00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:22,560 Speaker 2: Admission and Financial Aid at Harvard and also Grant Gostlin, 368 00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:26,760 Speaker 2: the named it today officially, but he's been there for 369 00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:29,120 Speaker 2: many years. But now he is the Dean of Admission 370 00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:34,040 Speaker 2: and Financial Aid at Boston College. So it's very very day, 371 00:22:34,560 --> 00:22:36,480 Speaker 2: a day in which I think all of us are 372 00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:38,800 Speaker 2: very proud of Grant Gostlin, and we've always proud of 373 00:22:39,040 --> 00:22:41,640 Speaker 2: Bill fitz Simmons, who's been with us for every year, 374 00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:44,760 Speaker 2: for every nineteen one of these programs we've done, and 375 00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:47,120 Speaker 2: I think they're so important. Back on Nightside after. 376 00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:53,359 Speaker 1: This, it's Nightside with Dan Ray on Boston's news radio. 377 00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:57,159 Speaker 2: I have a few topics that I've never raised in 378 00:22:57,400 --> 00:22:59,959 Speaker 2: all of the nineteen years to the best of my knowledge, 379 00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:03,520 Speaker 2: and I'd like to get through them as well as 380 00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:08,200 Speaker 2: incorporate some other callers. There was a reference there to geography. 381 00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:15,080 Speaker 2: I would suspect that Harvard University and Boston College have 382 00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:20,200 Speaker 2: a wide variety of students in many respects, but one 383 00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:23,680 Speaker 2: of them. I suspect you probably have students from, if 384 00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:27,760 Speaker 2: not all, most of the fifty states. Starting off with you, 385 00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:31,600 Speaker 2: Bill Fitzimmons. At Harvard, you have sixteen hundred and fifty 386 00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:34,960 Speaker 2: students to admit. How many states do end up covering. 387 00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:38,840 Speaker 5: Yeah, it's typically fifty, and I think one of the 388 00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:43,120 Speaker 5: surprises might be that very different, say compared to twenty 389 00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:46,760 Speaker 5: or thirty years ago. California can often be our number 390 00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:51,720 Speaker 5: one producer, viz. With Massachusetts and New York, but Texas 391 00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:56,160 Speaker 5: is the number four producer at this point, and Florida 392 00:23:56,359 --> 00:24:00,600 Speaker 5: is the number seven producer. And your second question will 393 00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:01,320 Speaker 5: be countries. 394 00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:02,600 Speaker 1: So I think we had. 395 00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:09,159 Speaker 5: The admitted group, and some of them weren't allowed to 396 00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:14,000 Speaker 5: come because they were at countries where the federal government 397 00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:16,480 Speaker 5: did not allow students to come to the United States, 398 00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:19,000 Speaker 5: and so we had I think it turned out to 399 00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:22,960 Speaker 5: be about ninety two in people who actually showed up 400 00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:26,800 Speaker 5: in the first year class this August, so two. 401 00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:30,440 Speaker 2: From countries around the world. And I'm assuming that they're 402 00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:34,200 Speaker 2: not all like England and France and Germany and Ireland. 403 00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:38,840 Speaker 2: This must spand literally span the globe, It truly does. 404 00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:40,920 Speaker 5: I mean, one of the things we're all doing now 405 00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:44,359 Speaker 5: is where of course we buy names from the act 406 00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:48,760 Speaker 5: and sat and write to people and send them emails 407 00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:52,640 Speaker 5: and so on, but we also travel when we can 408 00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:55,879 Speaker 5: in person. And then the other thing we're doing a 409 00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:59,800 Speaker 5: lot of these days is zoom recruiting. So we'll do 410 00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:07,600 Speaker 5: events for families and students obviously, and we also do 411 00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:11,439 Speaker 5: events for secondary school councilors around the country and around 412 00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:15,600 Speaker 5: the world, so we're getting the word out. And as 413 00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:20,160 Speaker 5: I mentioned before, our website, because you know, most students 414 00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:22,520 Speaker 5: actually don't have the money to visit. As it turns 415 00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:27,200 Speaker 5: out a lot too, so we invested pretty heavily on 416 00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:31,520 Speaker 5: our virtual tour and other resources on the website so 417 00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:33,480 Speaker 5: that we could level the playing field. 418 00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:36,200 Speaker 2: So then Harvard will actually reach out to try to 419 00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:40,240 Speaker 2: find students who might come from a far away place. 420 00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:44,200 Speaker 2: If somehow you hear about that student, even it isn't 421 00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:48,679 Speaker 2: necessarily an applicant initiated effort by the student. It can 422 00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:52,000 Speaker 2: be a reach out by Harvard to say, hey, have 423 00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:55,680 Speaker 2: you ever thought about applying to our university. You have 424 00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:59,720 Speaker 2: some grades and some act or SAT scores which we 425 00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:00,680 Speaker 2: would be interested in. 426 00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:06,159 Speaker 5: We absolutely right, and you know, I think it's you 427 00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:10,920 Speaker 5: have to understand that about seventy percent of students in 428 00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:14,480 Speaker 5: the United States will go to college within fifty miles 429 00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:17,600 Speaker 5: of their homes. And it's up to us, frankly, to 430 00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:21,000 Speaker 5: suggest the people from around the country because we want 431 00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:24,679 Speaker 5: to get people from all different kinds of states, Blue states, 432 00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:28,600 Speaker 5: red states, purple states, you know whatever, because that's what 433 00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:32,680 Speaker 5: a lot of the education is all about. So you know, 434 00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:37,760 Speaker 5: it's we're not necessarily in grant mentioned before. Look at 435 00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:42,000 Speaker 5: there is something like forty five colleges universities in the 436 00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:46,000 Speaker 5: greater Boston Cambridge you know area. There are two hundred 437 00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:49,720 Speaker 5: thousand college students. I mean I had you know, my 438 00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:54,560 Speaker 5: niece ended up going to Providence, my nephew to Saint Anselm's, 439 00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:58,119 Speaker 5: and my siblings my brothers went to stone Hill, Yale 440 00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:03,359 Speaker 5: and BC go Eagles. You know that's you know, there 441 00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:06,360 Speaker 5: are so many great places to go to, even nearby. 442 00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:08,920 Speaker 2: Okay, real quick question, if I can and they go, 443 00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:11,680 Speaker 2: we got some other calls I do. I will get 444 00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:15,720 Speaker 2: to these other calls as well. What about homeschoolers that 445 00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:19,479 Speaker 2: is a trend that is expanding in the country. Are 446 00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:23,960 Speaker 2: they meeting any success in applying to schools like Harvard 447 00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:25,879 Speaker 2: and b C. Let me start with Grant on that, 448 00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:28,920 Speaker 2: and we'll also talk about geography and BC. Grant. 449 00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:34,080 Speaker 4: Yeah, for sure, you know, homeschool students certainly have you know, 450 00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:37,440 Speaker 4: success in our process. We have staff members that spend 451 00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:40,880 Speaker 4: a lot of time looking at those students in their 452 00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:46,440 Speaker 4: own context. Most homeschooled students are following curriculums in their 453 00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:51,080 Speaker 4: local jurisdiction. They're following guidelines based on their regional high 454 00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:55,399 Speaker 4: schools or local vicinity. We're looking at the things that 455 00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:58,520 Speaker 4: they're doing. Many of the homeschool students are actively involved 456 00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:01,520 Speaker 4: in their communities. They might be joining some of the 457 00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:06,200 Speaker 4: clubs or athletic teams at some of the local schools 458 00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:10,960 Speaker 4: or club programs. So definitely, you know, we really welcome 459 00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:16,320 Speaker 4: students from a wide range of backgrounds geographically, much like Harvard. 460 00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:18,639 Speaker 4: You know, we spend a lot of time traveling the 461 00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:22,840 Speaker 4: country and around the world. We'll visit a given year 462 00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:26,480 Speaker 4: about thirty five states and probably thirty countries around the world. 463 00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:32,040 Speaker 4: New England is actually no longer our largest region. The 464 00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:35,639 Speaker 4: mid Atlantic actually is the largest region, followed by New 465 00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:38,680 Speaker 4: England and then the West and the South. So here 466 00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:41,320 Speaker 4: in the United States, we're seeing students from a wide 467 00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:46,000 Speaker 4: range of places. We have students at BC from all 468 00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:49,200 Speaker 4: fifty states, from over eighty countries around the world. And 469 00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:52,600 Speaker 4: we've also, much like Harvard, done a lot of work 470 00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:57,280 Speaker 4: in terms of outreach, and many of that outreach focuses 471 00:28:57,360 --> 00:29:00,360 Speaker 4: in on partnerships that we have with various organizations, and 472 00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:03,800 Speaker 4: for the last five years, Boston College has been a 473 00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:09,160 Speaker 4: member of the quest Bridge organization, which offers full financial 474 00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:12,720 Speaker 4: need without loans to high achievement low income students that 475 00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:16,080 Speaker 4: come from anywhere throughout the country and even around the world, 476 00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:19,080 Speaker 4: and that has helped us reach into some more rural 477 00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:23,320 Speaker 4: regions that might not be on our recruitment paths. We 478 00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:27,200 Speaker 4: have students from in this class from the Northern Mariana Islands, 479 00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:31,920 Speaker 4: a territory, and the West Pacific Ocean right so places 480 00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:35,360 Speaker 4: well off the beaten path that we might not otherwise 481 00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:38,760 Speaker 4: find if not for the strategic work that we do 482 00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:40,680 Speaker 4: in terms of that outreach. 483 00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:42,680 Speaker 2: Those students probably had never heard of Doug Flutie. As 484 00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:43,680 Speaker 2: a matter of fact, I'm. 485 00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:47,360 Speaker 4: Assuming you know, probably not, you know, probably none of 486 00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:49,360 Speaker 4: not many of our high school students do either. 487 00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:52,200 Speaker 2: I guess well, I will hope they'll see the statue. 488 00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:55,120 Speaker 2: Bill Fitzimmons. Homeschoolers at Harvard still possible. 489 00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:59,720 Speaker 5: It is, and there are some very interesting home schoolers. 490 00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:04,880 Speaker 5: Often they're a variety of things. You know, they might 491 00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:07,000 Speaker 5: be homeschooled for some things. 492 00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:07,640 Speaker 2: They may be. 493 00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:12,280 Speaker 5: Taking college courses, in some cases high school courses as well. 494 00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:17,160 Speaker 5: Some of them are doing extracurricer activities, either in the 495 00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:21,200 Speaker 5: community or with various teams, or maybe in some cases 496 00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:23,840 Speaker 5: with a high school, so they in Some of them 497 00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:27,280 Speaker 5: are rural, some of them are urban. They're an interesting group. 498 00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:32,160 Speaker 5: At least one of our staff members was homeschooled and 499 00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:35,880 Speaker 5: went to Harvard. We have a pretty good sense of 500 00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:38,520 Speaker 5: the range and the variety they bring. 501 00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:42,960 Speaker 2: Quick break, we'll be back the final segment with Bill 502 00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:47,080 Speaker 2: Fitzimmons of Harvard and Grant Gostling of Boston College. I 503 00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:51,920 Speaker 2: think it's been one of our better programs. On this 504 00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:56,280 Speaker 2: we have covered a lot. Would have preferred to hear 505 00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:59,400 Speaker 2: more questions from the audience, but that's the audience choice. 506 00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:01,520 Speaker 2: By the way, the way, both of these hours will 507 00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:06,280 Speaker 2: be posted on Nightside on demand our podcast site. They 508 00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:08,960 Speaker 2: will get up there probably sometime around two or three 509 00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:11,760 Speaker 2: o'clock this morning. If you happen to have missed all 510 00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:13,840 Speaker 2: a part of either of these hours back with a 511 00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:16,360 Speaker 2: concluding segment, we can still get a call or two, 512 00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:18,000 Speaker 2: and if you'd like, we had a caller who just 513 00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:21,840 Speaker 2: dropped off. Unfortunately, again, gotta have a little patience coming 514 00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:22,720 Speaker 2: back on night Side. 515 00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:27,240 Speaker 1: Right after this, you're on night Side with Dan Ray 516 00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:30,200 Speaker 1: on w b Z, Boston's news radio. 517 00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:34,000 Speaker 2: We have a question or comment from a Harvard Law 518 00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:37,920 Speaker 2: school graduate, my good friend, Harvey Silverglade. Harvey Silverglade, you're 519 00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:41,240 Speaker 2: on Bill Fitzsimmons and Grant Goslin. What's your comment of question? 520 00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:41,800 Speaker 2: My friend? 521 00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:45,520 Speaker 8: Here's my question, and I hope you haven't covered at 522 00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:49,600 Speaker 8: too there about ten minutes after you started. That's okay, 523 00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:53,400 Speaker 8: this this segment go right ahead, buddy. How is the 524 00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:58,080 Speaker 8: Supreme Court Affirmative Action decision made your job harder or 525 00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:03,240 Speaker 8: are you able to substitute sectors that produce the same 526 00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:07,760 Speaker 8: percentages of the diversity in the class? 527 00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:13,480 Speaker 2: Harvey, I'm generally I'm kind of protect Bill Fitzimmons from 528 00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:16,120 Speaker 2: these sorts of comments because of the litigation, which, of 529 00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:18,960 Speaker 2: course you would understand. Bill Fitzimmons, if you want to 530 00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:22,200 Speaker 2: respond to that, feel free, if you want to respond briefly, 531 00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:27,720 Speaker 2: even feel more free. I wasn't sure that that we 532 00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:31,040 Speaker 2: wasn't my intention to go there on that subject at all. 533 00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:35,160 Speaker 5: Bill, Well, there is ongoing litigation, as you know, but 534 00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:41,920 Speaker 5: there there the way we have seen things develop, you know, 535 00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:47,520 Speaker 5: since the decision is that there have been somewhat more 536 00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:52,400 Speaker 5: Asian Americans in the class. As it turns out, there 537 00:32:52,520 --> 00:33:01,760 Speaker 5: are fewer African American students, fewer Latinos, and slightly fewer 538 00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:08,000 Speaker 5: Native American, Pacific Islander and Native Hawaiians. Uh, we do 539 00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:12,120 Speaker 5: not know if we go through the process, we students 540 00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:15,960 Speaker 5: applying to Harvard these days do not Uh, we do 541 00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:20,200 Speaker 5: not have the information that they provide to the common 542 00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:25,960 Speaker 5: app about their ethnicity. So the that is no longer 543 00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:29,200 Speaker 5: a part of our application, and uh, you know, we 544 00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:34,720 Speaker 5: we continue to seek the best students regardless of their backgrounds, 545 00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:41,920 Speaker 5: and we still value diversity of all kinds, but we also, 546 00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:47,520 Speaker 5: uh certainly strictly follow the law that has been set 547 00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:49,800 Speaker 5: down to the Supreme Court. 548 00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:52,600 Speaker 2: Harvey, I've got to just wrap it up here, so 549 00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:56,800 Speaker 2: I appreciate the question. I always know that you'll ask 550 00:33:56,880 --> 00:33:59,400 Speaker 2: a question that I don't anticipate, But thanks for the 551 00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:05,000 Speaker 2: call on the Okay, thanks Harvey. Quick question, gentlemen, for 552 00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:10,680 Speaker 2: those students who would like to learn at Harvard, there's 553 00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:13,960 Speaker 2: a couple of additional ways we have the Harvard Extension School. 554 00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:16,440 Speaker 2: I'd love to give you an opportunity Bill to make 555 00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:19,359 Speaker 2: a reference to that. And I'd also like to get 556 00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:23,040 Speaker 2: great to talk about the Woods College of Advancing Studies, 557 00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:26,960 Speaker 2: and maybe we could start with you grant on that 558 00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:30,960 Speaker 2: that is actually a path that people who have gone 559 00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:38,400 Speaker 2: on and had careers other than academic can actually pursue 560 00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:42,800 Speaker 2: an actual BC degree through the Woods College of Advancing Studies. 561 00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:44,480 Speaker 4: They can. 562 00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:44,879 Speaker 3: Yeah. 563 00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:47,359 Speaker 4: So the Woods College was founded almost one hundred years 564 00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:51,880 Speaker 4: ago and has been an opportunity for working professionals to 565 00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:57,560 Speaker 4: earn their college degrees, largely through evening and weekend classes. 566 00:34:58,040 --> 00:34:59,799 Speaker 3: It has evolved over the years. 567 00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:03,480 Speaker 4: Of course, and added both not only in person coursework 568 00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:07,759 Speaker 4: but also online coursework and really trying to meet professionals 569 00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:10,600 Speaker 4: where they are. And it can be a great opportunity 570 00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:15,360 Speaker 4: for those that perhaps didn't originally go to college, or 571 00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:18,719 Speaker 4: perhaps started a degree and didn't finish and are looking 572 00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:23,040 Speaker 4: to acquire the additional credits that allow them to do that. 573 00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:26,320 Speaker 3: And yeah, okay, there. 574 00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:27,279 Speaker 2: Well, thank you, thank you. 575 00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:27,520 Speaker 5: Thanks. 576 00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:29,440 Speaker 2: So I'm going to try to give up, Bill Fasimas 577 00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:30,960 Speaker 2: I know that you have done some teaching at the 578 00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:33,319 Speaker 2: Harvard Extension School. You've told me over the years, tell 579 00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:37,960 Speaker 2: us about that wonderful educational opportunity that does exist. 580 00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:42,320 Speaker 5: Well, I will, and just to mention it, I actually 581 00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:46,960 Speaker 5: knew Father Woods quite well, and I taught at the 582 00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:52,439 Speaker 5: Boston College like many years. But yes, I did teach 583 00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:56,400 Speaker 5: you to Harvard Extension. It's an amazing place. You can 584 00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:59,520 Speaker 5: get an undergraduate degree, you can get a master's degree. 585 00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:03,160 Speaker 5: We have all kinds of flexible programs, I will tell you, 586 00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:07,000 Speaker 5: at both institutions. It was amazing to be able to 587 00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:10,719 Speaker 5: teach in the same classroom people who are eighteen and 588 00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:14,960 Speaker 5: people who are eighty eight, people with a lot of experience, 589 00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:17,160 Speaker 5: people with a lot of life left in front of them. 590 00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:24,880 Speaker 5: It's they're just great resources that very very large numbers 591 00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:28,000 Speaker 5: that people take advantage of. They're simply great. 592 00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:32,279 Speaker 2: Well, both of you, gentlemen, have been great tonight. We've 593 00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:34,759 Speaker 2: covered a lot of ground, and I hope that people 594 00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:38,160 Speaker 2: take advantage of listening to the podcasts which will be 595 00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:42,600 Speaker 2: posted sometime early this morning by our producer Rob Brooks 596 00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:45,960 Speaker 2: at Nights Out on Demand. Grant Goslin again, congratulations and 597 00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:50,040 Speaker 2: your promotion being made official today. And Bill fitz Himmons, 598 00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:54,080 Speaker 2: thank you so much. If I'm here a year from now, 599 00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:57,760 Speaker 2: I hope I can get an early commitment to annual 600 00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:02,359 Speaker 2: college admissions panel Neuber twenty. I never thought would get 601 00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:07,480 Speaker 2: to nineteen, but market on your calendar at least tentatively. Okay, gentlemen, 602 00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:09,279 Speaker 2: I would really appreciate taking to it. 603 00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:12,440 Speaker 5: Dan, you have the bad fit and your value, the 604 00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:16,280 Speaker 5: value placed on higher education is just a great example 605 00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:18,800 Speaker 5: for all of us. So thank you very much, and 606 00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:23,800 Speaker 5: obviously we will both commit right now. That's it, you 607 00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:24,960 Speaker 5: commit as well. 608 00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:29,880 Speaker 2: If I'm If I'm here, believe me, I will be 609 00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:33,440 Speaker 2: extending that invitation again. When you get to my age, 610 00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:36,600 Speaker 2: you get you gotta be say extra prayers that you'll 611 00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:39,200 Speaker 2: wake up in the morning if you get my drift. Gentlemen, 612 00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:42,400 Speaker 2: thank you so much. You're both amazing people and great friends. 613 00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:44,680 Speaker 2: And I can't tell you much. I appreciate your time 614 00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:47,520 Speaker 2: tonight and then tomorrow back to work. This is your 615 00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:50,279 Speaker 2: toughest time of the year. Thank you, thank you, Thank 616 00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:51,200 Speaker 2: you both so much. 617 00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:52,800 Speaker 5: Thank you. 618 00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:56,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, well that is it. When we get back, we're 619 00:37:56,400 --> 00:38:00,200 Speaker 2: going to talk about the shutdown being shut down, and 620 00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:02,000 Speaker 2: I guess the question is going to be what took 621 00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:04,520 Speaker 2: so long? And where do we go from here? We'll 622 00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:07,640 Speaker 2: change topics. I want to again thank Bill Fitzsimmons and 623 00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:13,719 Speaker 2: Grant Gostling. They were just wonderful tonight, and thank you 624 00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:16,040 Speaker 2: both very much. We'll be back right after the ten 625 00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:17,640 Speaker 2: o'clock news on Nightside