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Speaker 1: Welcome back. As we roll along a Thursday afternoon sinteen

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Speaker 1: three to sixty ESBN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station, Let's

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Speaker 1: give ourselves an opportunity to talk to our good friend

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Speaker 1: Bob Manjean right now from the University of Cincinnati and

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Speaker 1: Nova Care a little March Madness theme to our conversation today. Bob,

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Speaker 1: what's going on?

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Speaker 2: How are you tony? Just? You know, basketball season's over,

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Speaker 2: so you know now you've got to do all the

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Speaker 2: clean up work, get kids healthy and get ready for

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Speaker 2: you know, summer conditioning and summer practices, this cooling period,

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Speaker 2: things like that.

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Speaker 1: Before I dive into the NCAA tournament and the quick turnarounds.

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Speaker 1: What does this time of the year look like now

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Speaker 1: for the basketball teams that didn't make the Dance, that

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Speaker 1: aren't playing in any type of postseason For the Cincinnati Bearcats,

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Speaker 1: because it's now a very different world. I'm sure there's

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Speaker 1: guys that we're playing with injuries that have to get avaluated,

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Speaker 1: those guys that are going to be looking into the

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Speaker 1: transfert portal. There are players that are going to be

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Speaker 1: looking to be brought in. What does this time now

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Speaker 1: look like for you? Once the season wraps.

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Speaker 2: Up and somewhere between the Wild Wild West and you know,

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Speaker 2: you know, the Indy five hundred. You've got to get

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Speaker 2: You've got to get them healthy. So you're working on,

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Speaker 2: you know, developing plans, conservative management plans or surgical plans

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Speaker 2: athletes that are graduating, so you know, you're working with

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Speaker 2: NBA teams potentially to you know, give them their histories,

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Speaker 2: what we've been doing with them, how they you know,

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Speaker 2: how they handle injury. And then you've got guys who

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Speaker 2: are going to graduate and move on in their life

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Speaker 2: and you know, become real employee or employees, and so

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Speaker 2: you're trying to make sure when they exit that they're

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Speaker 2: to be successful. And then you've got guys that are

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Speaker 2: like I said, it's the wild Wild West in terms

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Speaker 2: So there's a lot of work to be done over

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Speaker 2: which point then you know, everybody starts to go in

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Speaker 1: We saw this a little bit when we talked about

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Speaker 1: on your shoulders of conversations of you know, with guys

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Speaker 2: Well, ninety five percent of cases are going to be

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Speaker 2: You'll be able to come back and be ready to play,

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Speaker 1: This time of the year. For those participating in the

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Speaker 1: Right if there's a team playing today and they win,

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Speaker 2: What you're looking at is how fast can you get

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Speaker 2: And that really takes a concerted effort between the strength coach,

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Speaker 1: I also think there's a conversation and we've seen this

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Speaker 1: And who is involved in those types of decisions?

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Speaker 2: Well, it's a team effort. You know, our team position, myself,

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Speaker 2: So you know, Nickick, our ethics drive the comment of

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Speaker 2: But again, you have to weigh the risk reward. You

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Speaker 2: the student athlete has the number one say, as far

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Speaker 2: And you know, it's happened to us a couple of

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Speaker 2: what do you think where you at? Are you at

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Speaker 2: And we've had kids pull themselves after warm up. That's just,

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Speaker 1: It comes down to obviously the will to want to play,

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Speaker 1: sure they're families as well, which everything goes into those decisions. Bob,

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Speaker 1: thanks so much for your time. Enjoy the start of

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Speaker 1: the NCAA tournament. More importantly, enjoy some rest for yourself.

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Speaker 1: Rest and recovery after the season is just as important

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Speaker 1: for you as it is for the student athletes.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Tony. Especially as you get older, the rest

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Speaker 1: To be longer. That's it, Bob, thanks so much.

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