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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Big Outdoors News Radio seven hundred WLW,

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Speaker 1: Cincinnati Home and the Cincinnati Read Chip Hark with you

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Speaker 1: this morning as I am every single morning. Not a

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Speaker 1: bum like Tom Cross. You know, he just shows up

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Speaker 1: what he wants to it. He expects me to buy

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Speaker 1: him lunch. Okay, Tom Cross, you know the Adams County

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Speaker 1: muckgrad King.

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Speaker 2: Reporter store in Adams County.

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Speaker 1: Well, I think, uh what afromancer pasted him? Okay you

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Speaker 1: got in the last week or so, yes, exactly, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he's gotten a lot more famous.

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Speaker 2: And uh, you know Tom's in the tourism business.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so that's great for tourism in Adams County along

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Speaker 1: with us, along with data centers and a whole bunch

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Speaker 1: of other crap. So anyway, moving on, lots of turkey

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Speaker 1: hunting coming up. And uh, I'm at this following hillsbro

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Speaker 1: at the ag Pro John Deere dealership and bought me

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Speaker 1: a tractor from him, and kind of like the kid,

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Speaker 1: and uh, you know did me He did me a

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Speaker 1: good turn and and uh and.

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Speaker 2: You know, but that's not why I grabbed him.

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Speaker 1: It's because he loves turkey hunting and he loves making

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Speaker 1: calls and that's Dogwood Custom Calls in Hillsboro, Ohio. Dustin Willie,

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Speaker 1: how in the world are you this morning?

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Speaker 2: I'm doing great, ship, how are you well?

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Speaker 1: I am fantastic, fantastic. I'm trying to buy a tractor,

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Speaker 1: you know, and you're trying to talk to me about

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Speaker 1: how you have this love for making turkey calls and

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Speaker 1: all that. So what what? And I'm going, hey, can

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Speaker 1: we just get this deal done? Okay, I gotta get

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Speaker 1: on the road, but you wouldn't let me go. But anyway, Uh,

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Speaker 1: you know what prompted you to get into it. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's a crowded field out there. Let's let's you know,

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Speaker 1: be honest, but you had a passion.

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Speaker 2: Sure, yeah, one d percent.

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Speaker 3: And I didn't recognize how crowded that field was until

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Speaker 3: I got into it. It's, uh, it's a huge thing,

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Speaker 3: the custom call industry, you know, and comparing that to

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Speaker 3: even commercial grade calls or commercial maid calls, you're big

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Speaker 3: call makers. But I was prompted. It was about six

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Speaker 3: or seven years ago. I have a little brother, his

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Speaker 3: into turkey hunting and took him out one year with

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Speaker 3: my father in law, and uh, I didn't really know

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Speaker 3: what to expect with him, you know, practice a little

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Speaker 3: bit shooting, but thetend had never been exposed to hunting

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Speaker 3: at all other than being around me. So we were

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Speaker 3: we were successful that year.

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Speaker 3: He killed his own own turkey with some help from uh,

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Speaker 3: from myself and I do a little taxidermy on just

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Speaker 3: you know, basic fan tail mounts and spurs and beers

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Speaker 3: and stuff. And I thought, you know, I can make

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Speaker 3: his turkey mount for him this year, and uh from

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Speaker 3: his bird, and something that he can hang on his

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Speaker 3: a trophy.

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Speaker 2: Sure.

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Speaker 3: And then I got to thinking, there's got to be

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Speaker 3: something more I can do a little more personal, and

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Speaker 3: I get to google it around a little bit, looked

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Speaker 3: on atsy. I found a call maker that was offering

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Speaker 3: these picture calls, and my idea was to put a

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Speaker 3: picture of myself and and my brother in there with

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Speaker 3: his turkey, just as a as a keepsake for him.

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Speaker 3: It was eighty five dollars, and I was like, sure,

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Speaker 3: that seems seems a little pricey. So I thought, well,

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Speaker 3: I could probably just make that and I went out to.

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Speaker 2: To Harbert Pray.

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Speaker 3: I bought a cheap laid bought some terrible high speed

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Speaker 3: steel tools, and got some some junk wood. Had no

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Speaker 3: clue what I was doing, but I was successful to

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Speaker 3: make him what I thought was a turkey call with

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Speaker 3: I don't think he knows that really.

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Speaker 2: But old is he?

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Speaker 2: He just turned eight? Okay, so he was he was

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Speaker 1: So what what what kind of call were you using

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Speaker 3: So that whenever I was turkey hunt, I was just

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Speaker 3: using just store about pot calls or trying to find

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Speaker 3: a good quality turkey call, mainly friction pot calls, and

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Speaker 3: that's kind of what made my fascination with it. And

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Speaker 3: then mixing it with that picture, you know, I could

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Speaker 3: get some sort of keepsafe for him, and that's what

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Speaker 1: So and he's and he's hooked right, So now fast fast,

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Speaker 1: not like a six year old kid. That's a turkey

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Speaker 1: killing the turkey ways as much as the kid does. Okay, yeah,

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Speaker 1: so uh we're gonna hit a break here in a minute.

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Speaker 1: But the Dogwood custom calls, you've been at that.

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Speaker 2: For how long? Now it's been about seven years.

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Speaker 1: Okay, great, well, we'll dig into it a little bit.

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Speaker 1: It's storytelling time on the Big Outdoors. So there you

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Speaker 1: have it. We're going to hit a quick great pay

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Speaker 1: a baill or two and be right back with Dustin

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Speaker 1: Willie Dogwood Custom Calls the Big out Doors News Radio

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Speaker 1: seven hundred WLW, Cincinnati. And we're back the Big out

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Speaker 1: Doors News Radios seven hundred WLW since Nat Chipard.

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Speaker 2: My guest is Dustin Willie.

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Speaker 1: And he ails from the Hillsboro, Ohio area and has

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Speaker 1: a company where he makes custom calls. It's Dogwood Custom Calls.

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Speaker 1: I believe he sells direct if you're interested. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: and of course we've got our season coming up and

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Speaker 1: it's four weeks long, and you know, our youth first.

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Speaker 1: But you know, we'll get the info out there on

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Speaker 1: how to reach him. And you do have a Facebook page,

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Speaker 1: So okay, Dustin, so fast forward. You you make a

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Speaker 1: slate call, which is better known as a friction call.

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Speaker 2: Correct, Okay, I you know I've.

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Speaker 1: Always found turkeys to usually respond to the worst damn

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Speaker 1: perst caller in the world. Okay, no matter how good

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Speaker 1: You know, they hang up out there, they just hang

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Speaker 1: they're just being cautious or just being ornery. And so

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Speaker 1: that's me And basically, you know, a nutshell, I'm the

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Speaker 1: crappiest caller in the world. Okay, I can call for

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Speaker 1: my kids, I can, but I can't call one for myself. Okay,

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Speaker 1: So so uh so you make a friction call?

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Speaker 2: How what? Uh? What kind of get people an idea

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So it's like I said, it started with that

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Speaker 3: that first call. No no care about the sound of it,

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Speaker 2: And it just developed from there.

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Speaker 3: I've I listened to a lot of sound clips of

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Speaker 3: actual turkeys in the woods. I get a lot of

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Speaker 3: What can we change? New ideas? And just developed from there.

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Speaker 3: So I start with wood that's typically our majority cut

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Speaker 3: pick them and then turned down my calls on on

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Speaker 3: Have an idea of what I think that turkey sounds

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Speaker 3: like to me, and that may be completely different to

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Speaker 2: And that's that's the nice thing of.

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Speaker 3: Where I think I've developed to now in my stage

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Speaker 3: this is what this guy wants, I can I can

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Speaker 3: adjust certain dimensions of my call, the internal components to

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Speaker 3: make what that guy would want. Uh. That's probably the

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Speaker 3: biggest thing is taking the pride and the customization of

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Speaker 3: we're going to bast Pro. You know, I'm gonna buy

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Speaker 3: this call. I don't know what it sounds like, but

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Speaker 3: not saying if you don't respond, Yeah, I'm not saying

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Speaker 3: turkeys don't respond to that. You I mean, there's been

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Speaker 3: it's the woods being sourced out of Highland County put

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Speaker 2: To hunt with them.

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Speaker 3: And I think of pride in that, you know, creating

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Speaker 3: long time to hunt with.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, if you if you can, if you're willing to

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Speaker 1: tell us, what is the friction surface made of?

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Speaker 3: So I've got a variety of different surfaces that we

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Speaker 3: can use. Typically, your normal black slate is going to

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Speaker 3: Some of it just likes a soft, you know, easy

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Speaker 2: But we can go to.

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Speaker 3: Aluminum black, anadized aluminum copper. I just recently did a

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Speaker 1: Well, I think we've teased everybody enough this morning, which

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Speaker 1: is one thing we like to do around here. You know,

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Speaker 1: we don't want to tell them how to hunt because

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Speaker 1: they already know how to hunt. They don't want any

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Speaker 1: they don't want any advice from me or any of

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Speaker 1: leave them with that little tease. So how can people

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Speaker 1: reach out to you? And what's your price range?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so Paul, start around seventy to eighty dollars for

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Speaker 3: slate call depending on customization, and then surfaces stuff like that,

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Speaker 3: different woods and go up from there. The best way

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Speaker 3: to reach us my wife actually runs our Facebook page.

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Speaker 3: It's Dogwood custom Calls, and she's probably the best way

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Speaker 3: to get a hold of us.

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Speaker 2: She takes all the orders so on and so forth.

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Speaker 2: So get a hold of us on Facebook. Well, somebody's

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Speaker 2: got to work for a living.

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Speaker 1: For crying out loud, you just drive around and talk

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Speaker 1: on the phone all day.

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Speaker 2: Okay, that's right, Hey.

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Speaker 1: Dustin, great to have you on the Big Outdoors this morning,

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Speaker 1: and good luck to you as uh, you know, as

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Speaker 1: as your career just just you know explodes.

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Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, no, appreciate it, Chip, and appreciate the opportunity.

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Speaker 1: All right, great, we're gonna hit a break and Mike

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Speaker 1: Moore with the Ohio Outdoor News will join me. Following that,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we're back. I got Mike Moore with me.

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Speaker 1: What the heck's that guy's name, Gary Jeff? Welcome Carrie Jeff.

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Speaker 1: Maybe get carried Gary, Jerry Jeff.

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Speaker 2: That was some news. No, that was the country musician

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Speaker 2: Jerry Jeff. Yeah, Scarry Jeff. Everyone on the legends anyway,

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Speaker 2: you know it always in his own mind.

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Speaker 3: Thank you.

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Speaker 2: All right, Mike Moore?

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Speaker 1: What you got coming up in the Ohio Outdoor News?

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Speaker 2: My friend, man, it's.

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Speaker 4: An ig pac full of our April tenth issue. Chip

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Speaker 4: is we got spring Turkey preview, we got we're talking

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Speaker 4: about rough grouse. We're talking about public land fracking, man,

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Speaker 4: you name it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there is a lot going on, right, I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's just it's my phone is my feeds are burning up.

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Speaker 2: It's just wild and crazy out there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just I don't know what's going on, but uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, there is a lot happening.

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Speaker 2: I gotta tell you. It's just there is.

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Speaker 4: You know, Spring Turkey starts on April twenty fifth in

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Speaker 4: the South Zone, which is most of the state.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Uh so I wrote a preview story about that and

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Speaker 4: this this public land fracking thing ship they the Oil

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Speaker 4: and Gas Commission approved about I don't know, more than

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Speaker 4: eight thousand acres of Egypt Valley.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, some other acres too.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, a lot of a lot of land.

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Speaker 1: I know, I know, And you know, I'm do you

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Speaker 1: know if that Oil and Gas Commission is actually under

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Speaker 1: independent commission.

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Speaker 4: I think they're independent. I think they're independent appointed by the.

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Speaker 2: Governor of course. Okay, so it's like the Wildlife Council.

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Speaker 4: I believe.

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Speaker 2: So, yes, okay, yes, all right, I got to dig

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Speaker 1: But yeah, that's got some people up up tight but

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Speaker 1: you know, and I've never been anywhere where there's there's

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Speaker 4: Quite frankly, Yeah, yeah, I haven't either, And I'm I'm

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Speaker 4: I'm anxious to see if that changes. Yeah with uh,

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Speaker 4: That's a lot of land.

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Speaker 2: So uh, it's a big it's a big place. Uh.

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Speaker 1: But you know that's that's revenue that will go to

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Speaker 1: the O, D n R. And yeah, people are I'm

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Speaker 1: upset about tracking. They always have. It's made a lot

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Speaker 4: No doubt about it, you know, no doubt about it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well you stay on top of that for me. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Jane Beckler goes to all the Oil and Gas Commission meetings,

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Speaker 4: so she's all over it for us. And this rough

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Speaker 4: grass thing is another thing that's got people up in arms.

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Speaker 4: You know, rough grouse hunting is going to look much

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Speaker 4: different if they have proved that proposal to the limited

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Speaker 1: So well, okay, explain that because I really didn't pay

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Speaker 1: a whole heck of a lot of attention. Of course,

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Speaker 1: the magazine your paper is out yet, so I can't

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Speaker 1: read it yet.

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Speaker 4: But right, right, well, the areas where they say grouse

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Speaker 4: are kind of prevalent Appalachian Hills, Shawnee State Forest, Minton

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Speaker 4: I mean, let's face it, grouse are in trouble on Ohio.

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Speaker 1: They've been in trouble that They've been in trouble ever

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Speaker 1: since the turkey were introduced. Quite frankly, Matt's always been

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Speaker 2: It had an impact.

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Speaker 1: It just grouse just don't like to be bothering, and

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Speaker 2: Used to be, you know, thirty years ago.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, we used to have grouse on our property

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Speaker 1: in Adams Highland County and they've been gone for a

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Speaker 1: long time. I have a flushed bird in probably twenty years.

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Speaker 1: But it's probably what it's going to have to be,

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Speaker 1: you know. But there's also gonna need to be a

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Speaker 2: Yeah, truthfully, plush your farming practice.

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Speaker 4: And on that story had Let on that story, Chip

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Speaker 4: is that habitat loss is what's done it. You know

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Speaker 4: that that's what the That's what the biologist told us

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Speaker 4: that we talked to. So habitat loss, grouse decline, that's

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Speaker 4: they all go hand in hand.

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Speaker 1: So well, we have you out there to kind of

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Speaker 1: to stir the muck, okay, and just just get it

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Speaker 1: on record. Well, Mike Bore, Ohio Outdoor News appreciate your

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Speaker 1: update this morning, and we will stay in touch down

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Speaker 1: the road. Thank you. All right with that I got

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Speaker 1: to hit another Brig Chip Hart the Big Outdoors News

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Speaker 1: Radio seven hundred WLW, Cincinnati.

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Speaker 2: Back in the moment w We're back, of course, and.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna cut you loose to the News and Gary

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Speaker 1: Jeff Walker momentarily. But in the meantime it's our po

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Speaker 1: perrie of things happening out there. And first up from

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Speaker 1: the Hunting News, which is a Facebook paid published by

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Speaker 1: a guy named Steven Ziggler.

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Speaker 2: He's an outdoor reiner.

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Speaker 1: Hewns DeLong lewers and he comes up with some good

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Speaker 1: stuff that's quite interesting.

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Speaker 2: Anyway.

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Speaker 1: In Hawaii, March twenty ninth, they had their biggest poaching

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Speaker 1: fine of all time, which was a staggering six hundred

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Speaker 2: Also he could illegally sell them.

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Speaker 1: He used ant poison, wiped out the wildlife in the stream,

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Speaker 2: It sounds more like a movie and.

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Speaker 1: to about one hundred dollars per prawn in Pennes and

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Speaker 1: a big that's a big poaching fine. Okay, love it Texas.

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Speaker 1: Apparently you didn't have to show an ID personal idea

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Speaker 1: to initiate a new plan to present your personal ID.

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Speaker 1: What took Texas so long? Because I mean, everybody was

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Speaker 1: just fraudulently. They were coming from out of state non

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Speaker 2: So okay, it's about time they catch up with that.

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Speaker 1: I'm out of here with more news than you could

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Speaker 1: abuse if I had the time. But I will not

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Speaker 1: have the time, Danny Gleeson says, get out of here.

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Speaker 2: Gary TIFFs.

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Speaker 1: Next the Big Outdoors News Radio seven hundred Wlwsincidati you

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