1 00:00:00,480 --> 00:00:06,240 Speaker 1: As Night Side with Dan Ray WBS Costin's Radio. Well, 2 00:00:06,240 --> 00:00:07,280 Speaker 1: every President's Day. 3 00:00:08,680 --> 00:00:13,520 Speaker 2: First, let me thank our previous guest, doctor George Clamont. 4 00:00:14,040 --> 00:00:15,560 Speaker 2: I'm so glad he came in the studio and I 5 00:00:15,560 --> 00:00:20,080 Speaker 2: got to meet him in person. A great guy, and 6 00:00:20,120 --> 00:00:22,880 Speaker 2: I wish I could find a primary care physician with 7 00:00:22,920 --> 00:00:27,400 Speaker 2: the same knowledge and values that he has. I guess 8 00:00:27,440 --> 00:00:29,000 Speaker 2: the only way you're really going to get to spend 9 00:00:29,000 --> 00:00:32,879 Speaker 2: time with your primary care physician is if you can 10 00:00:32,920 --> 00:00:36,320 Speaker 2: afford concierge's care, which is where you pay up front 11 00:00:37,720 --> 00:00:41,080 Speaker 2: an amount of money per year for just access to 12 00:00:41,120 --> 00:00:44,280 Speaker 2: the doctor that allows the doctor to afford to spend 13 00:00:44,560 --> 00:00:47,559 Speaker 2: more time with you. You still have to pay for 14 00:00:47,600 --> 00:00:49,360 Speaker 2: all the treatments and stuff, just like before. This is 15 00:00:49,400 --> 00:00:53,159 Speaker 2: an additional amount for access, so you could have a 16 00:00:53,200 --> 00:00:56,800 Speaker 2: substantive talk. You could probably talk for an hour if 17 00:00:56,840 --> 00:00:57,840 Speaker 2: you paid enough. 18 00:00:57,880 --> 00:01:00,880 Speaker 1: I guess, well, let's talk presidents. 19 00:01:01,360 --> 00:01:03,320 Speaker 2: I've known Rich Rabino for quite a while here, and 20 00:01:03,880 --> 00:01:09,920 Speaker 2: he is well, he really knows his politics, his political history, 21 00:01:10,040 --> 00:01:12,920 Speaker 2: and his presidents' so I thought it only fitting to 22 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:14,600 Speaker 2: have him come on and talk about presidents. 23 00:01:14,640 --> 00:01:17,600 Speaker 1: So he's going to tell some interesting and quirky stories. 24 00:01:17,600 --> 00:01:20,959 Speaker 2: I hope you get a lot of them, and please 25 00:01:21,400 --> 00:01:23,119 Speaker 2: make you know to take your time and tell them 26 00:01:23,120 --> 00:01:27,760 Speaker 2: in detail. Also, I would like to throw out a 27 00:01:27,800 --> 00:01:32,480 Speaker 2: few trivia questions to folks to call in, and so 28 00:01:32,720 --> 00:01:36,920 Speaker 2: if you can think of a trivia question, actually, I 29 00:01:36,959 --> 00:01:39,759 Speaker 2: might use one of your one of your stories here 30 00:01:40,400 --> 00:01:42,559 Speaker 2: as a trivia question to kick it off. Then you'd 31 00:01:42,560 --> 00:01:45,280 Speaker 2: be thinking about some more trivia questions because I'd like 32 00:01:45,319 --> 00:01:46,520 Speaker 2: to give folks. 33 00:01:46,480 --> 00:01:48,920 Speaker 1: An excuse to call in. So here we go. 34 00:01:49,080 --> 00:01:55,080 Speaker 2: This is what I happen to know folks at six, one, seven, two, five, four, 35 00:01:55,200 --> 00:01:59,880 Speaker 2: ten thirty. What is the S in Harry S. Truman's 36 00:02:01,800 --> 00:02:04,160 Speaker 2: What is yes? And Harry S. Truman Stan. 37 00:02:05,400 --> 00:02:05,919 Speaker 1: It's funny. 38 00:02:05,960 --> 00:02:08,600 Speaker 2: I have a friend Mike Nikitas, used to be on 39 00:02:09,040 --> 00:02:12,280 Speaker 2: any CN as a TV anchor. 40 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:14,680 Speaker 1: He knows all about presidents. We go on trips. 41 00:02:15,080 --> 00:02:17,960 Speaker 2: He asked me all these trivia questions about presidents, and 42 00:02:18,040 --> 00:02:20,679 Speaker 2: I forget the day after, and he asked me the 43 00:02:20,680 --> 00:02:22,320 Speaker 2: next time I see him, and I can't even remember, 44 00:02:22,360 --> 00:02:23,640 Speaker 2: but that one about Harry S. 45 00:02:23,639 --> 00:02:26,639 Speaker 1: Truman is one I do remember. So Rich, before we 46 00:02:26,680 --> 00:02:29,360 Speaker 1: get going, tell me tell us a little bit about you. 47 00:02:30,680 --> 00:02:34,280 Speaker 3: Yes, absolutely, And it's good to talk to you again, Bradley. Well, basically, 48 00:02:34,400 --> 00:02:37,760 Speaker 3: I'm kind of a congenital political junkie. I grew up 49 00:02:38,240 --> 00:02:42,520 Speaker 3: basically really watching watching a lot of c SPAN and 50 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:44,920 Speaker 3: I read a lot of presidentsial books growing up. I 51 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:48,079 Speaker 3: was looking for a book right around twenty eleven that 52 00:02:48,320 --> 00:02:52,760 Speaker 3: was more about political facts, about not just presidents, but 53 00:02:52,800 --> 00:02:56,600 Speaker 3: also the judiciary, also about the Congress. So that gave 54 00:02:56,639 --> 00:02:58,720 Speaker 3: me the impetus to write my first book, which was 55 00:02:58,760 --> 00:03:02,239 Speaker 3: called The Political Bible Little Known Facts in American Politics. 56 00:03:02,760 --> 00:03:04,600 Speaker 3: So I did a book towards, did a lot of radio, 57 00:03:04,720 --> 00:03:07,560 Speaker 3: did a lot of television, and people kept asking me 58 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:12,000 Speaker 3: questions about some of the political quotations from there, and 59 00:03:12,040 --> 00:03:13,960 Speaker 3: that gave me the impetus to write my second book, 60 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:17,640 Speaker 3: The Political Bible of Humorous Quotations in American Politics. And 61 00:03:17,680 --> 00:03:24,399 Speaker 3: my favorite quotation actually is, did you remember Everitt Dirkson? Yes, yes, Senator, Yes, 62 00:03:24,480 --> 00:03:27,960 Speaker 3: senator from Millanois. He was the Senate Minority leader. And 63 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:29,440 Speaker 3: by the way, he used to have an a rivalry 64 00:03:29,480 --> 00:03:32,120 Speaker 3: with President Lyndon Johnson, who was the Democratic president and 65 00:03:32,160 --> 00:03:36,080 Speaker 3: he was the Republican And at one point, at one 66 00:03:36,120 --> 00:03:38,480 Speaker 3: point ever Durkson got a telephone and he thought this 67 00:03:38,600 --> 00:03:40,560 Speaker 3: was great. He had a telephone in his car. This 68 00:03:40,640 --> 00:03:42,880 Speaker 3: is exactly we could talk to Lindon Johnson, who also 69 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:45,520 Speaker 3: the television and the telephone in his car. So at 70 00:03:45,520 --> 00:03:48,640 Speaker 3: one point they were having a discussion of business discussion 71 00:03:48,760 --> 00:03:51,200 Speaker 3: and again of the discussion. Evertt Dierkson, by the way, 72 00:03:51,240 --> 00:03:53,160 Speaker 3: mister president, want to let you know that I'm talking 73 00:03:53,160 --> 00:03:56,880 Speaker 3: on a tyrophone to what President Johnson said, said hold on, 74 00:03:57,000 --> 00:03:59,240 Speaker 3: hold on a minute, ev my other phone is ringing. 75 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:03,960 Speaker 3: But I thought I thought that one. There was one 76 00:04:04,040 --> 00:04:06,560 Speaker 3: quote supposedly attributed to him that if I don't have 77 00:04:06,520 --> 00:04:08,480 Speaker 3: you ever heard this, but a billion here or a billionaire, 78 00:04:08,480 --> 00:04:12,720 Speaker 3: and pretty soon you're talking about some real money. Okay, 79 00:04:12,760 --> 00:04:13,680 Speaker 3: So a guy's. 80 00:04:13,720 --> 00:04:14,240 Speaker 1: No, go ahead. 81 00:04:14,280 --> 00:04:16,240 Speaker 3: A guy sat next a guy sat next to him 82 00:04:16,240 --> 00:04:19,000 Speaker 3: in a a in an airplane and said, I just 83 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:20,840 Speaker 3: want you know there was a Dan Google quote, you said, 84 00:04:20,920 --> 00:04:23,080 Speaker 3: Dirkson said, oh, no, I never said it. I just 85 00:04:23,160 --> 00:04:24,800 Speaker 3: it was just such a good quote. I better bother 86 00:04:24,880 --> 00:04:26,640 Speaker 3: to deny it. So that was my second book. Then 87 00:04:26,680 --> 00:04:29,159 Speaker 3: I wrote one called American Politics on the Rocks, and 88 00:04:29,200 --> 00:04:31,840 Speaker 3: then my recent one is America Is the Great American 89 00:04:31,880 --> 00:04:34,480 Speaker 3: Political Tribua Challenge, Political Tribua on steroids. 90 00:04:34,640 --> 00:04:37,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, and that that's the one I know about that, 91 00:04:37,480 --> 00:04:39,680 Speaker 2: that last one you mentioned. And it's huge, right, it's 92 00:04:39,720 --> 00:04:41,919 Speaker 2: a big, giant, thick book. 93 00:04:43,120 --> 00:04:47,240 Speaker 3: Yes, it's two and seventy five political trivia questions, not 94 00:04:47,320 --> 00:04:48,000 Speaker 3: just presidents. 95 00:04:48,120 --> 00:04:48,360 Speaker 1: Wow. 96 00:04:48,880 --> 00:04:54,000 Speaker 2: So it doesn't look like anyone has gotten that knows 97 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:54,919 Speaker 2: the answer to the Harry S. 98 00:04:54,960 --> 00:04:55,600 Speaker 1: Truman question. 99 00:04:55,640 --> 00:04:59,080 Speaker 2: I'm surprised because that's pretty if I know it, trust me, 100 00:04:59,120 --> 00:04:59,839 Speaker 2: it's pretty easy. 101 00:05:01,640 --> 00:05:01,960 Speaker 1: Okay. 102 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:04,000 Speaker 2: And by the way, before we I have one more 103 00:05:04,040 --> 00:05:07,400 Speaker 2: question for you. Was there one thing that happened. I 104 00:05:07,440 --> 00:05:10,640 Speaker 2: still can't get a handle on what directed you towards 105 00:05:11,040 --> 00:05:14,520 Speaker 2: your political fanaticism, and was it? 106 00:05:14,600 --> 00:05:17,760 Speaker 3: I think what happened. I think it was. It's a 107 00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:20,320 Speaker 3: great question because it kind of came out of nowhere, 108 00:05:20,839 --> 00:05:23,800 Speaker 3: and I think it was just when I remember, I 109 00:05:23,839 --> 00:05:27,040 Speaker 3: remember getting cable and for some reason, I just had 110 00:05:27,080 --> 00:05:30,400 Speaker 3: this gravitational pull towards s span toward watching the debates, 111 00:05:30,440 --> 00:05:33,200 Speaker 3: and I really liked to watch the debates and not 112 00:05:33,400 --> 00:05:36,640 Speaker 3: just really kind of precipitated it. Then I started following presidents. 113 00:05:36,640 --> 00:05:39,760 Speaker 3: I started really liking liking presidents, being interested in presidence, 114 00:05:39,760 --> 00:05:42,840 Speaker 3: being interested in obscure presidents, but that's what I think 115 00:05:42,920 --> 00:05:44,640 Speaker 3: really effectuated was c SPAN. 116 00:05:45,480 --> 00:05:47,360 Speaker 1: How old were you when you were watching c SPAN? 117 00:05:47,480 --> 00:05:49,039 Speaker 1: Like when you started? 118 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:52,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, like most children, I was about eight years old, 119 00:05:52,400 --> 00:05:54,640 Speaker 3: hey when I started watching it. But yeah, about about 120 00:05:54,640 --> 00:05:55,679 Speaker 3: eight years old. Yeah? 121 00:05:55,720 --> 00:05:57,720 Speaker 2: And were your parents watching se SPAN two or did 122 00:05:57,720 --> 00:05:59,920 Speaker 2: you have to ask them can we please watch s SPAN? 123 00:06:01,160 --> 00:06:03,960 Speaker 3: It was more, it was it was more when I 124 00:06:03,960 --> 00:06:05,240 Speaker 3: had the television to myself. 125 00:06:05,320 --> 00:06:05,520 Speaker 1: Wow. 126 00:06:06,360 --> 00:06:10,640 Speaker 2: All right, so let's get our first interesting second now 127 00:06:10,680 --> 00:06:14,520 Speaker 2: interesting story, and again, anybody has an answer to the 128 00:06:14,560 --> 00:06:15,119 Speaker 2: what is Harry? 129 00:06:15,160 --> 00:06:16,120 Speaker 1: What is the S? And Harry S? 130 00:06:16,160 --> 00:06:19,200 Speaker 2: Truman stand for six one, seven, two, five, four thirty 131 00:06:19,240 --> 00:06:20,320 Speaker 2: and you can even look it up. 132 00:06:20,480 --> 00:06:21,840 Speaker 1: It'll be an open book quiz. 133 00:06:22,520 --> 00:06:24,919 Speaker 2: As as awful as that is, as much as I 134 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:28,359 Speaker 2: don't I don't like that in school, we'll do it here. 135 00:06:28,880 --> 00:06:32,200 Speaker 2: So Andrew Jackson got a story about Andrew Jackson. 136 00:06:33,440 --> 00:06:35,840 Speaker 3: Uh, yeah, Andrew Jackson a couple of interests. Well, the 137 00:06:35,880 --> 00:06:38,599 Speaker 3: interesting thing about him is actually he had a parrot, 138 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:42,800 Speaker 3: and the paris's name was paul for Paulie. And Andrew 139 00:06:42,880 --> 00:06:45,440 Speaker 3: Jackson used to teach it sometimes to swear. He would 140 00:06:45,440 --> 00:06:47,599 Speaker 3: swear a lot. He was known to actually swear quite 141 00:06:47,640 --> 00:06:51,080 Speaker 3: a bit so. Actually, for some reason, somebody came up 142 00:06:51,080 --> 00:06:54,560 Speaker 3: with the bright idea back in eighteen forty five to 143 00:06:54,680 --> 00:06:59,240 Speaker 3: bring the parrot to Andrew Jackson's funeral, and it kept 144 00:06:59,240 --> 00:07:02,000 Speaker 3: spouting swear words, so they had to take it out 145 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:04,880 Speaker 3: of the funeral. So that was I think a great 146 00:07:04,920 --> 00:07:07,679 Speaker 3: story about about about Andrew Jackson. 147 00:07:08,279 --> 00:07:09,600 Speaker 1: Tell me more about Andrew Jackson. 148 00:07:09,640 --> 00:07:11,840 Speaker 2: Oh you know what, Glenn in Wakefield, he might have 149 00:07:11,880 --> 00:07:15,160 Speaker 2: an answer to our question. Let's see, all right, Glenn 150 00:07:15,200 --> 00:07:16,760 Speaker 2: in Wakefield, how you doing, brother? 151 00:07:18,840 --> 00:07:18,920 Speaker 3: Hi? 152 00:07:19,040 --> 00:07:19,400 Speaker 1: Glenn? 153 00:07:21,040 --> 00:07:25,280 Speaker 3: Hmm, Yes, Harry, the S and Harry S. Truman stands 154 00:07:25,280 --> 00:07:28,160 Speaker 3: for nothing, right, That's right, That's correct. 155 00:07:28,600 --> 00:07:31,600 Speaker 1: Now I even knew why that was. 156 00:07:31,960 --> 00:07:35,400 Speaker 2: Now he had a brother that it did stand for something, 157 00:07:35,440 --> 00:07:37,560 Speaker 2: and they just didn't bother to make a stand for 158 00:07:37,600 --> 00:07:40,200 Speaker 2: anything with this with with Harry, is that it? 159 00:07:40,240 --> 00:07:40,400 Speaker 3: What? 160 00:07:40,400 --> 00:07:41,160 Speaker 1: What is the reason? 161 00:07:42,480 --> 00:07:46,080 Speaker 3: It's interesting? Actually it's because of his two grandfathers. He 162 00:07:46,120 --> 00:07:48,040 Speaker 3: had two dating they didn't come up with they couldn't 163 00:07:48,040 --> 00:07:50,280 Speaker 3: come up with a nickname, but both of his grandfathers 164 00:07:50,320 --> 00:07:53,320 Speaker 3: had names started with S. So they decided to put 165 00:07:53,360 --> 00:07:57,160 Speaker 3: the S there. And interestingly, there's actually a very controversial 166 00:07:57,240 --> 00:08:00,720 Speaker 3: issue there about whether since it doesn't stand for anything. 167 00:08:01,080 --> 00:08:04,000 Speaker 3: Whether you should put a period after the S, and 168 00:08:04,240 --> 00:08:07,080 Speaker 3: I believe that you should put a period after the S. Anyways, 169 00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:10,000 Speaker 3: if you go to the Truman Library, they believe that 170 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:11,960 Speaker 3: you should put a period after the S. But it's 171 00:08:11,960 --> 00:08:13,360 Speaker 3: a very controversial period. 172 00:08:13,360 --> 00:08:17,120 Speaker 2: Well, I would say that you put a period because 173 00:08:17,240 --> 00:08:20,280 Speaker 2: the S is short for something. It means there's something 174 00:08:20,320 --> 00:08:24,160 Speaker 2: after that, but there is nothing after that, So I 175 00:08:24,200 --> 00:08:26,560 Speaker 2: would Mike got would be to not include the S. 176 00:08:28,400 --> 00:08:33,240 Speaker 3: It's a very controversial issue. But the Truman Library says 177 00:08:33,280 --> 00:08:35,559 Speaker 3: to include the period. So I do include the period 178 00:08:35,600 --> 00:08:36,040 Speaker 3: when I write. 179 00:08:36,200 --> 00:08:39,400 Speaker 2: I wonder what their justification for that is interesting, Glenn, 180 00:08:39,559 --> 00:08:41,800 Speaker 2: before you go, just a couple of words about you. 181 00:08:41,880 --> 00:08:44,720 Speaker 2: What do you do and et cetera. You live in Wakefield. 182 00:08:44,760 --> 00:08:45,400 Speaker 2: We know that. 183 00:08:47,320 --> 00:08:49,720 Speaker 3: I work in an autoparts warehouse. 184 00:08:50,679 --> 00:08:51,480 Speaker 1: And where's that. 185 00:08:53,080 --> 00:08:53,840 Speaker 3: That's in Newton? 186 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:56,040 Speaker 1: Newton? All right, Well, thanks for checking in and you 187 00:08:56,120 --> 00:08:58,959 Speaker 1: got it right. Good for you. A gold star right 188 00:08:59,000 --> 00:08:59,800 Speaker 1: on the forehead there. 189 00:09:00,480 --> 00:09:03,520 Speaker 2: We'll break now and we'll go to Annie and Maria 190 00:09:03,880 --> 00:09:09,120 Speaker 2: and we'll get another interesting, hopefully weird presidential story from 191 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:11,559 Speaker 2: Rich Rabino, our guest on wbz. 192 00:09:12,800 --> 00:09:17,640 Speaker 1: It's Night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ, Boston's news radio. 193 00:09:18,480 --> 00:09:21,959 Speaker 2: We continue with Rich Rabino, our guest, a political historian, 194 00:09:22,040 --> 00:09:26,600 Speaker 2: particularly a presidential historian. He knows more political trivia than 195 00:09:27,640 --> 00:09:31,200 Speaker 2: maybe anyone. You're really quite something on a worldwide scale. 196 00:09:31,280 --> 00:09:32,199 Speaker 2: It's it's a big. 197 00:09:32,040 --> 00:09:34,319 Speaker 1: Deal and I'm glad to have you on. Thank you 198 00:09:34,480 --> 00:09:34,880 Speaker 1: very much. 199 00:09:35,559 --> 00:09:36,679 Speaker 3: Okay, welcome, thank you. 200 00:09:36,800 --> 00:09:39,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, so let's get another You got a trivia question 201 00:09:40,040 --> 00:09:43,360 Speaker 2: for everybody now since someone answered the Harry S. 202 00:09:43,600 --> 00:09:48,720 Speaker 3: Truman question, yes, sales one I find fascinating. What's us president? 203 00:09:49,320 --> 00:09:51,960 Speaker 3: Is a legend in the country of Paraguay, and they 204 00:09:51,960 --> 00:09:54,720 Speaker 3: actually have a national holiday for him in Paraguay. 205 00:09:55,800 --> 00:09:58,520 Speaker 2: Okay, folks, you can look it up. That's a little 206 00:09:58,520 --> 00:10:03,479 Speaker 2: more tricky. But let's you know, we have some folks 207 00:10:03,200 --> 00:10:05,400 Speaker 2: on the phone here. Let's find out what they want 208 00:10:05,400 --> 00:10:07,920 Speaker 2: to what they want to say. And by the way, 209 00:10:08,679 --> 00:10:10,840 Speaker 2: I'm gonna I'm gonna go ahead and speak on behalf 210 00:10:10,840 --> 00:10:13,360 Speaker 2: of Rich here, and I'm going to challenge you to 211 00:10:13,440 --> 00:10:18,000 Speaker 2: stump him. Go ahead, look up some crazy hard question. 212 00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:20,800 Speaker 2: He'll probably get it right and call. 213 00:10:20,760 --> 00:10:21,320 Speaker 3: Us up or not. 214 00:10:21,960 --> 00:10:26,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, but you're pretty you know, an insane amount of stuff. 215 00:10:26,800 --> 00:10:30,520 Speaker 1: Oh, let's go to Neil in Watertown. How you doing, Neil, Hello, 216 00:10:31,280 --> 00:10:31,760 Speaker 1: This is. 217 00:10:33,760 --> 00:10:37,920 Speaker 4: Which you mentioned Everett Dirkson. Then there's one quote that 218 00:10:38,200 --> 00:10:41,720 Speaker 4: I liked very much by him. It's regarding the nineteen 219 00:10:41,800 --> 00:10:44,400 Speaker 4: sixty four Civil Rights Act. At least I wrote it 220 00:10:44,440 --> 00:10:48,680 Speaker 4: down and said's stronger than any army is an idea 221 00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:49,760 Speaker 4: whose time has come. 222 00:10:51,440 --> 00:10:52,880 Speaker 1: That's a good one. Absolutely. 223 00:10:53,400 --> 00:10:55,200 Speaker 4: Yeah, So I know that out of I don't know 224 00:10:55,200 --> 00:10:57,640 Speaker 4: why I just wrote that down. So I only have 225 00:10:57,679 --> 00:10:59,880 Speaker 4: a vague memory of him because I was a teenager 226 00:11:00,280 --> 00:11:00,640 Speaker 4: me too. 227 00:11:00,720 --> 00:11:02,200 Speaker 2: I kind of have this black and white image of 228 00:11:02,200 --> 00:11:02,880 Speaker 2: his glasses. 229 00:11:03,679 --> 00:11:09,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, and his hair and his hair. It's it. Go ahead, Thanks, 230 00:11:09,679 --> 00:11:11,959 Speaker 3: I know, thank Neil that it's very interesting you brought 231 00:11:12,040 --> 00:11:15,160 Speaker 3: up Everitt Dirkson because the Civil Rights Bill was a 232 00:11:15,280 --> 00:11:18,160 Speaker 3: very interesting how this worked. Basically, you had at the time, 233 00:11:18,200 --> 00:11:21,440 Speaker 3: this is before the country was kind of partisan, has 234 00:11:21,559 --> 00:11:24,400 Speaker 3: had kind of the partisan homogeneity that we currently have 235 00:11:24,480 --> 00:11:26,439 Speaker 3: in the United States Senate, in the House. In the 236 00:11:26,559 --> 00:11:30,559 Speaker 3: United States Senate, every single Southern Democrat except Ralph the 237 00:11:30,679 --> 00:11:34,400 Speaker 3: Arlborough of Texas, every Southern Democrat voted against the Civil 238 00:11:34,480 --> 00:11:38,720 Speaker 3: Rights Act. Every single non Southern Democrat, with the exception 239 00:11:38,800 --> 00:11:41,599 Speaker 3: of Robert Bird of West Virginia voted for it. So 240 00:11:41,679 --> 00:11:44,400 Speaker 3: it was a lot more regional than it was idiot 241 00:11:44,440 --> 00:11:48,120 Speaker 3: than it was partisan, and many Republicans, like Everett Dirkson 242 00:11:48,160 --> 00:11:51,960 Speaker 3: from Illinois. Many modern Republicans supported the Civil Rights Act, 243 00:11:51,960 --> 00:11:55,000 Speaker 3: but Arry Goldwater, who was the Republican nominee who ran 244 00:11:55,000 --> 00:11:59,199 Speaker 3: against Linda Johnson nineteen sixty four from Arizona, opposed the 245 00:11:59,240 --> 00:12:02,000 Speaker 3: Civil Rights Act to Consequently, when he ran for president, 246 00:12:02,440 --> 00:12:05,120 Speaker 3: he won all The only state he won outside of 247 00:12:05,120 --> 00:12:08,280 Speaker 3: the Deep South was Arizona, and in Mississippi he won 248 00:12:08,360 --> 00:12:09,920 Speaker 3: eighty seven percent of the vote. 249 00:12:10,360 --> 00:12:12,800 Speaker 1: Wow, now we have Annie in Dedham. 250 00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:16,959 Speaker 4: Annie, did you get your answer to Harry Truman? 251 00:12:17,280 --> 00:12:18,000 Speaker 1: Yes, we did. 252 00:12:18,200 --> 00:12:21,440 Speaker 4: Oh you did, You've already gotten it. Okay, I miss 253 00:12:21,640 --> 00:12:23,200 Speaker 4: I miss you Brad least. 254 00:12:23,160 --> 00:12:25,440 Speaker 1: Well you don't have to miss it because I'm right here. 255 00:12:25,720 --> 00:12:26,480 Speaker 1: Thank you very much. 256 00:12:26,559 --> 00:12:29,600 Speaker 2: Annie, that's so sweet. Thank you very much. Now we 257 00:12:29,600 --> 00:12:30,480 Speaker 2: were talking about Harry S. 258 00:12:30,520 --> 00:12:34,960 Speaker 1: Truman. I you know, I'm not a political expert at all. 259 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:37,839 Speaker 2: However, I happen to know that FDR had pretty low 260 00:12:37,920 --> 00:12:40,760 Speaker 2: regard for harrys Aries and. 261 00:12:40,760 --> 00:12:43,640 Speaker 1: Didn't did not clue him in to a lot of stuff. 262 00:12:43,640 --> 00:12:45,959 Speaker 2: He left him in the complete dark when when I 263 00:12:46,200 --> 00:12:49,200 Speaker 2: showed up in office, he was ignorant of quite a. 264 00:12:49,200 --> 00:12:50,239 Speaker 1: Lot of stuff. 265 00:12:51,360 --> 00:12:53,720 Speaker 2: Can you give me a sense of how serious that 266 00:12:53,960 --> 00:12:58,080 Speaker 2: was and maybe why it was? And this is something 267 00:12:58,080 --> 00:13:00,000 Speaker 2: that only you can answer. That'd be in the case, 268 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:05,120 Speaker 2: what were the machinations that allowed Harry s to become president? 269 00:13:06,400 --> 00:13:11,440 Speaker 3: Yes, it's fascinating. So Truman was not Roosevelt's first vice president. 270 00:13:11,480 --> 00:13:14,640 Speaker 3: His first vice president was John Ans Garner, and John 271 00:13:14,679 --> 00:13:17,600 Speaker 3: Ans Gyner ran against Roosevelt for the nomination in nineteen 272 00:13:17,679 --> 00:13:20,960 Speaker 3: thirty two. Garner was more of a conservative Democrat. He 273 00:13:21,040 --> 00:13:23,600 Speaker 3: served the first two terms and actually ran against him 274 00:13:23,600 --> 00:13:26,560 Speaker 3: for president. Imagine this happening today. Him, as well as 275 00:13:26,679 --> 00:13:29,240 Speaker 3: James Farley, who was the chairman of the Democrat National 276 00:13:29,240 --> 00:13:32,840 Speaker 3: Committee and the Postmaster General, would run Roosevelt campaigns for 277 00:13:32,920 --> 00:13:36,679 Speaker 3: president and New York governor ran against Roosevelt in nineteen forty. 278 00:13:36,760 --> 00:13:39,600 Speaker 3: Roosevelt one Henry Wallace was his vice president in nineteen 279 00:13:39,679 --> 00:13:42,760 Speaker 3: forty four. He was looking for somebody that was more centrist, 280 00:13:42,800 --> 00:13:45,840 Speaker 3: and it came down to basically nominating Wallace again or 281 00:13:45,840 --> 00:13:48,800 Speaker 3: nominating Jimmy Burns, a more conservative from South Carolina. They 282 00:13:48,840 --> 00:13:51,960 Speaker 3: decided to nominate Harry S. Truman and Harry S. Truman, 283 00:13:51,960 --> 00:13:55,760 Speaker 3: who became Roosevelt's vice presidential nominee. By all accounts, they 284 00:13:55,800 --> 00:13:59,480 Speaker 3: probably met while he was president. While he was president, 285 00:13:59,559 --> 00:14:02,800 Speaker 3: and they were running together about three times, and in 286 00:14:03,400 --> 00:14:07,400 Speaker 3: that particular and in that time period, during the meetings 287 00:14:07,400 --> 00:14:11,120 Speaker 3: that they had, Roosevelt never clewed him into the Manhattan Project. 288 00:14:11,559 --> 00:14:15,680 Speaker 3: So consequently, in nineteen forty five when Roosevelt, when Roosevelt 289 00:14:15,679 --> 00:14:18,480 Speaker 3: died and Harry Truman, he was actually in what was 290 00:14:18,520 --> 00:14:21,160 Speaker 3: called the Board of Education. He was with Sam Rayburn 291 00:14:21,480 --> 00:14:24,560 Speaker 3: and the Speaker or the Speaker of the House, members 292 00:14:24,560 --> 00:14:26,960 Speaker 3: of the Congress in his role as vice president, he 293 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:28,800 Speaker 3: was president of the Senate, and he was told that 294 00:14:28,880 --> 00:14:31,040 Speaker 3: Roosevelt had died too. He went and got he went 295 00:14:31,080 --> 00:14:33,560 Speaker 3: and got inaugurated, and he was eleanor Roosevelt was there 296 00:14:34,040 --> 00:14:36,080 Speaker 3: and he said to missus Rosevelt. He says, there anything 297 00:14:36,120 --> 00:14:38,080 Speaker 3: we can do I can do for you, Missus Roosevelt. 298 00:14:38,080 --> 00:14:41,680 Speaker 3: Missus Roosevelt, knowing about the Manhattan Project, probably says, oh, no, 299 00:14:41,760 --> 00:14:43,600 Speaker 3: prists or President, the question is what can we do 300 00:14:43,680 --> 00:14:47,880 Speaker 3: for you? For you are the one in trouble now, wow, So. 301 00:14:49,280 --> 00:14:51,480 Speaker 2: Can you give me an idea as to how in 302 00:14:51,520 --> 00:14:54,560 Speaker 2: the document he was. It seems to me that it's 303 00:14:54,560 --> 00:14:58,520 Speaker 2: possible that for a long time Joseph Stalin, Soviet leader, 304 00:14:58,720 --> 00:15:02,600 Speaker 2: knew more about the Manhattan Project because of the spies 305 00:15:03,280 --> 00:15:04,560 Speaker 2: then Harry Truman did. 306 00:15:04,760 --> 00:15:05,480 Speaker 1: Is that possible? 307 00:15:05,640 --> 00:15:09,280 Speaker 3: Yes, absolutely, And of course Stalin was our ally at 308 00:15:09,280 --> 00:15:12,120 Speaker 3: the time during World War Two. It was kind of 309 00:15:12,120 --> 00:15:14,960 Speaker 3: a marriage of convenience, if you will. But I think 310 00:15:15,000 --> 00:15:17,240 Speaker 3: that's probably true, and it's really I think it was 311 00:15:17,280 --> 00:15:20,360 Speaker 3: a dereliction of duty on the part of Black and 312 00:15:20,440 --> 00:15:23,320 Speaker 3: Roosevelt knowing that he was in his fourth term no 313 00:15:23,440 --> 00:15:26,120 Speaker 3: president had served three terms, that he was probably gonna 314 00:15:26,160 --> 00:15:29,000 Speaker 3: die during that time period, but he did not clue 315 00:15:29,320 --> 00:15:33,560 Speaker 3: Harry Truman on the Manhattan Projects. What came down to 316 00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:37,840 Speaker 3: Harry Truman whether or not whether or not to launch 317 00:15:37,880 --> 00:15:42,040 Speaker 3: the atomic bomb, first on Hiroshima and then subsequently on Nagasaki. 318 00:15:42,320 --> 00:15:45,360 Speaker 3: He made the decision to drop one on Hiroshima, hoping 319 00:15:45,360 --> 00:15:48,600 Speaker 3: that the Japanese would surrender. They did not. A few 320 00:15:48,720 --> 00:15:52,960 Speaker 3: days later, he launched the attack on Nagasaki, and then 321 00:15:53,000 --> 00:15:57,120 Speaker 3: the Japanese did surrender, And it's one of its arguably 322 00:15:57,200 --> 00:16:01,600 Speaker 3: the most consequential decision probably in American history. In terms 323 00:16:01,600 --> 00:16:04,800 Speaker 3: of whether you launch, whether you launched the bomb, or 324 00:16:04,840 --> 00:16:05,480 Speaker 3: whether you don't. 325 00:16:06,880 --> 00:16:09,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, I bet it was easier at the time. It's 326 00:16:09,560 --> 00:16:12,080 Speaker 2: maybe more difficult than now looking back, But at the time, 327 00:16:12,600 --> 00:16:15,120 Speaker 2: when you have been fighting a war for a long time, 328 00:16:15,160 --> 00:16:18,920 Speaker 2: you still are looking at a long, hard, very very 329 00:16:19,680 --> 00:16:23,600 Speaker 2: lethal slog against the Japanese trying to take over those islands, 330 00:16:23,880 --> 00:16:25,520 Speaker 2: it was a lot easier than I'm guessing. 331 00:16:26,680 --> 00:16:30,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's probably true. And Truman was enormously 332 00:16:30,120 --> 00:16:33,960 Speaker 3: popular when he ordered the bombs to be dropped. His 333 00:16:34,040 --> 00:16:36,520 Speaker 3: job approval rating went up to about eighty percent world 334 00:16:36,520 --> 00:16:40,640 Speaker 3: War Two ended, but then the job approval ratings started 335 00:16:40,640 --> 00:16:44,440 Speaker 3: to go down in nineteen and by nineteen forty eight, 336 00:16:44,840 --> 00:16:47,720 Speaker 3: nineteen forty eight, after he had he had problems. In 337 00:16:47,800 --> 00:16:51,920 Speaker 3: nineteen forty six midterm elections, the Republicans actually took over 338 00:16:52,520 --> 00:16:58,120 Speaker 3: Speaker Joe Martin for off Massachusetts. Actually, and some cause 339 00:16:58,200 --> 00:16:59,760 Speaker 3: some listeners might real I don't know if they remember 340 00:16:59,840 --> 00:17:02,440 Speaker 3: Joe Martin, but Joe Martin was a congressman from Massachusetts 341 00:17:03,080 --> 00:17:07,160 Speaker 3: and Truman. By nineteen forty eight, a lot of people 342 00:17:07,200 --> 00:17:10,280 Speaker 3: believe that Truman was going to lose his election for 343 00:17:10,320 --> 00:17:13,080 Speaker 3: a full term he was running against Thomas E. Dewey, 344 00:17:13,080 --> 00:17:15,480 Speaker 3: who was the candidate the governor of New York. Henry 345 00:17:15,520 --> 00:17:18,520 Speaker 3: Wallace ran as a third party candidate. And actually, this 346 00:17:18,560 --> 00:17:21,360 Speaker 3: is really interesting, and this might be part of whire. 347 00:17:21,520 --> 00:17:25,000 Speaker 3: The Republicans and Democrats switched to theologies. Hubert Humphrey was 348 00:17:25,040 --> 00:17:27,840 Speaker 3: the mayor of Minneapolis, and he spoke at the Democratic 349 00:17:27,960 --> 00:17:31,680 Speaker 3: National Convention in Philadelphia, and at that convention he supported 350 00:17:31,680 --> 00:17:37,640 Speaker 3: a civil rights platform in the Democratic in the civil 351 00:17:37,760 --> 00:17:42,159 Speaker 3: rights platform, in the civil rights platform for the Democratic Party, 352 00:17:42,200 --> 00:17:45,920 Speaker 3: had it barely passed. And what happened was when that happened, 353 00:17:46,240 --> 00:17:50,400 Speaker 3: Southern Democrats walked out of the convention and supported strom Thurman, 354 00:17:50,640 --> 00:17:52,800 Speaker 3: the same strong theurm moves in the Senate two thousand 355 00:17:52,800 --> 00:17:54,840 Speaker 3: and two at one hundred years old, who was governor 356 00:17:54,840 --> 00:17:57,879 Speaker 3: of South Carolina, and he ran as the state's rights 357 00:17:57,960 --> 00:18:01,520 Speaker 3: candidate and landed up Gonering thirty nine and electoral voats. 358 00:18:01,920 --> 00:18:04,960 Speaker 2: That's all interesting stuff. On this President's Day. Rich Rubino 359 00:18:05,200 --> 00:18:09,120 Speaker 2: is with us. He's a presidential expert historian. I'm gonna 360 00:18:09,119 --> 00:18:12,639 Speaker 2: throw out the next trivia question. Hope, I hope I 361 00:18:12,680 --> 00:18:15,359 Speaker 2: remember this correctly. I'm going out on a lemma but 362 00:18:15,920 --> 00:18:19,639 Speaker 2: folks at six one, seven, two, five, ten thirty, a 363 00:18:19,640 --> 00:18:22,679 Speaker 2: lot of you will remember this. I think Rich just 364 00:18:22,760 --> 00:18:29,560 Speaker 2: mentioned Hubert Humphrey. What was his middle name? I think 365 00:18:29,600 --> 00:18:32,160 Speaker 2: I remember this. I should even give a hint, right, 366 00:18:32,280 --> 00:18:34,919 Speaker 2: his initials were h h h correct. 367 00:18:34,600 --> 00:18:36,280 Speaker 3: Yes, yes, yes, that's right. 368 00:18:36,240 --> 00:18:36,720 Speaker 1: All right. 369 00:18:37,680 --> 00:18:40,160 Speaker 2: So while folks are calling in with that one, that's 370 00:18:40,240 --> 00:18:43,320 Speaker 2: kind of a hope, that's a giveaway. Tell Us you 371 00:18:43,359 --> 00:18:46,000 Speaker 2: mentioned we've been talking about f DR a bit, but 372 00:18:46,160 --> 00:18:48,520 Speaker 2: tell us some things about FDR that we probably don't know. 373 00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:52,440 Speaker 2: There's a lot of behind the scenes things with him, 374 00:18:52,480 --> 00:18:54,840 Speaker 2: a lot that he didn't show the press. I bet 375 00:18:54,840 --> 00:18:59,200 Speaker 2: you have some interesting stories about the more secret FDR. 376 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:03,400 Speaker 3: So I think one thing that's interesting about FDR is 377 00:19:04,119 --> 00:19:08,680 Speaker 3: when he was running. When he was so his theater, 378 00:19:08,800 --> 00:19:12,159 Speaker 3: his cousin, Theodore Roosevelt Junior, at one point ran for 379 00:19:12,240 --> 00:19:15,880 Speaker 3: governor of New York as the Republican nominee and Franklin 380 00:19:15,960 --> 00:19:19,480 Speaker 3: Roosevelt supporter. His opponent, who was Al Smith. Al Smith 381 00:19:19,560 --> 00:19:22,159 Speaker 3: was his predecessor as governor of New York. They were 382 00:19:22,280 --> 00:19:25,639 Speaker 3: very much allies, but then when Roosevelt became president, there 383 00:19:25,720 --> 00:19:29,960 Speaker 3: was a breakup between FDR and Al Smith. And al 384 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:33,320 Speaker 3: Smith landed up in nineteen thirty six, he actually supported 385 00:19:33,359 --> 00:19:36,119 Speaker 3: the ticket of Landon and Knox alf land and the 386 00:19:36,119 --> 00:19:40,359 Speaker 3: governor of Kentucky of Kansas rather and mister Knox, and 387 00:19:40,400 --> 00:19:43,920 Speaker 3: then in nineteen forty he also supported his opponent, as 388 00:19:43,960 --> 00:19:47,440 Speaker 3: did John W. Davis who ran for the Democratic nomination 389 00:19:47,560 --> 00:19:51,399 Speaker 3: in nineteen twenty four. So he distanced himself because he 390 00:19:51,440 --> 00:19:55,200 Speaker 3: was more conservative than Franklin Roosevelt. Roosevelt, by the way, 391 00:19:55,200 --> 00:19:58,040 Speaker 3: when he ran for president nineteen thirty two, part of 392 00:19:58,040 --> 00:20:00,160 Speaker 3: what he ran on was trying to balance the federal 393 00:20:00,240 --> 00:20:04,679 Speaker 3: budget against Herbert Hoover, who would become extremely unpopular because 394 00:20:04,720 --> 00:20:07,960 Speaker 3: of the Great Depression. And then in nineteen thirty nineteen 395 00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:11,240 Speaker 3: thirty four, the Democrats actually gained seats in the House 396 00:20:11,280 --> 00:20:14,719 Speaker 3: of Representatives. And the next time that happened was actually 397 00:20:14,720 --> 00:20:17,480 Speaker 3: George W. Bush in two thousand and two for a 398 00:20:17,560 --> 00:20:21,399 Speaker 3: first midterm election. Very interesting he landed up getting. He 399 00:20:21,680 --> 00:20:24,960 Speaker 3: landed up running for reelection nineteen thirty six, and he 400 00:20:25,080 --> 00:20:29,120 Speaker 3: won basically all states but Maine and Vermont and main 401 00:20:29,280 --> 00:20:32,480 Speaker 3: used to go first. So main Man had this weird 402 00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:35,400 Speaker 3: law in this constitution at the time that Maine would 403 00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:37,840 Speaker 3: go first in terms of having their having they would 404 00:20:37,880 --> 00:20:40,200 Speaker 3: have elections first, and a lot of those elections were 405 00:20:40,200 --> 00:20:43,040 Speaker 3: for statewide office, and usually it would say as Maine goes, 406 00:20:43,080 --> 00:20:45,480 Speaker 3: so goes the nation. So it's made so when the 407 00:20:45,520 --> 00:20:48,560 Speaker 3: election happened, only Vermont went for his opponent. So that's 408 00:20:48,560 --> 00:20:51,920 Speaker 3: where the new slogan goes, as Maine goes, so goes Vermont. 409 00:20:53,320 --> 00:20:54,800 Speaker 1: I love it. I love that background. 410 00:20:54,880 --> 00:20:59,400 Speaker 2: Rich Rabino is our guest with some President's Day presidential 411 00:20:59,440 --> 00:21:03,159 Speaker 2: trivia and fun stories. We still don't have an answer 412 00:21:03,160 --> 00:21:06,199 Speaker 2: to what was Hubert Humphrey's middle name. I remember it 413 00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:09,439 Speaker 2: because I remember part of a slogan, or maybe not 414 00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:11,920 Speaker 2: a slogan, but he was referred to by H. 415 00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:13,680 Speaker 1: So there's your hands. 416 00:21:13,760 --> 00:21:17,800 Speaker 3: You know what's interesting about Hubert Humphrey. In nineteen sixty eight, 417 00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:21,840 Speaker 3: he landed up running for He ran for president, and 418 00:21:22,440 --> 00:21:25,520 Speaker 3: he did not participate in any primeries except for Salt Dakota, 419 00:21:25,520 --> 00:21:28,000 Speaker 3: where he came in third. You had Robert Kennedy, who 420 00:21:28,040 --> 00:21:30,000 Speaker 3: had died on June sixth of that year, and you 421 00:21:30,080 --> 00:21:35,720 Speaker 3: had you had Eugene McCarthy and Eugene McCarthy. The Liberals 422 00:21:35,720 --> 00:21:38,240 Speaker 3: were trying to get Eugene McCarthy. You remember, Gene McCarthy 423 00:21:38,320 --> 00:21:41,879 Speaker 3: was against the Vietnam War to support Hubert Humphrey's presidential candidacy. 424 00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:45,400 Speaker 3: It got closer that year. On September thirtieth, when Hubert 425 00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:47,919 Speaker 3: Humphrey said that he would have support a unilater a 426 00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:50,840 Speaker 3: bombing hall as an acceptable risk for peace, McCarthy still 427 00:21:50,840 --> 00:21:54,760 Speaker 3: wouldn't do it. Finally, a week before the election, McCarthy said, 428 00:21:54,800 --> 00:21:58,600 Speaker 3: I've agreed to support Hubert Humphrey for president the United States, 429 00:21:58,880 --> 00:22:02,320 Speaker 3: and I asked my orders suffer with me. 430 00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:07,800 Speaker 2: Oh wow, So we're going to break, and after this break, 431 00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:12,119 Speaker 2: we're going about find out something very weird about Herbert Hoover, 432 00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:14,760 Speaker 2: kind of really super weird. 433 00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:17,000 Speaker 1: And that's next on w BZ. 434 00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:22,600 Speaker 2: You're on Night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ, Boston's 435 00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:26,440 Speaker 2: news Radio. We continue with guest Rich Pravino with some 436 00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:30,760 Speaker 2: really interesting stories regarding presidents. And I have some other 437 00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:36,560 Speaker 2: presidential questions for you later. But I teased the Herbert 438 00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:41,320 Speaker 2: Hoover story. Herbert Hoover had a super weird habit and 439 00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:44,359 Speaker 2: it even affected the way his staff treated him. It 440 00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:47,320 Speaker 2: affected the way they did their day to day stuff 441 00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:50,600 Speaker 2: in the in the halls of power. Tell us the 442 00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:52,760 Speaker 2: weird Herbert Hoover story. 443 00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:55,760 Speaker 3: I would assume that what you met is that he 444 00:22:56,240 --> 00:22:59,200 Speaker 3: so he was fluent in Mandarin Chinese, and his wife 445 00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:02,159 Speaker 3: Lou Hoover was all also fluent in Mandarin Chinese, so 446 00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:05,240 Speaker 3: they would actually speak to each other in Mandarin Chinese. 447 00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:07,560 Speaker 3: So that there's staffers and other people that visited the 448 00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:09,600 Speaker 3: White House wouldn't understand what they were saying. 449 00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:12,960 Speaker 2: That's not it. I got another one. But how did 450 00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:15,200 Speaker 2: they happen to be fluent in Mandarin Chinese? 451 00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:19,800 Speaker 3: I've actually lived in China for a certain time, for 452 00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:23,040 Speaker 3: a certain time period, back when Hoover was working as 453 00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:25,680 Speaker 3: a mining engineer, and that's actually how he got his start. 454 00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:28,200 Speaker 3: He was a mining engineer and actually made a lot 455 00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:31,359 Speaker 3: of money and was actually a great humanitarian at one point, 456 00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:32,760 Speaker 3: and that was what he was known at He was 457 00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:36,240 Speaker 3: called the great Humanitarian. But of course, now when he 458 00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:38,880 Speaker 3: became president, it was really kind of a disaster. Whether 459 00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:41,680 Speaker 3: it was his faulter or off. People blamed him, and 460 00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:45,280 Speaker 3: people used to say, people, you very much criticized him 461 00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:48,080 Speaker 3: for the Great Depression because it happened under his watch. 462 00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:53,080 Speaker 2: Okay, so is this true or false? He had a 463 00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:57,320 Speaker 2: hide and seek behavior. He insisted his staff never see him, 464 00:23:57,359 --> 00:24:00,600 Speaker 2: causing employees to hire hide in closets and behind bushes 465 00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:01,320 Speaker 2: when he walked by it. 466 00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:05,360 Speaker 3: That is true, Yes, yes, that is true. Absolutely, that's 467 00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:05,920 Speaker 3: kind of weird. 468 00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:07,639 Speaker 1: What was that all about? Any idea? 469 00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:10,760 Speaker 3: I All I know about that is that he was 470 00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:12,439 Speaker 3: known to He was known to do that. I know 471 00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:17,760 Speaker 3: that Calvin Coolidge was known to sometimes hide behind the tide, 472 00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:20,320 Speaker 3: behind the curtain, and then that's when the Secret Service 473 00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:22,240 Speaker 3: would come in so that they wouldn't see him, and 474 00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:23,840 Speaker 3: then they look around for him and then he come out. 475 00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:25,760 Speaker 3: But I know that Herbert Hubert did it. I don't 476 00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:28,080 Speaker 3: know much about why he did it other than that 477 00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:30,200 Speaker 3: was just kind of his his personality. 478 00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:36,359 Speaker 2: Okay, let's move too. Ted Roosevelt, Teddy Roosevelt, I have 479 00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:42,600 Speaker 2: some questions. But first, the pony in the elevator story. 480 00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:43,000 Speaker 3: The pony in the elevator I have not heard. 481 00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:47,639 Speaker 1: That's all right, this my research, my deep deeper sources. 482 00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:50,520 Speaker 1: During the Roosevelt administration of Stafford helped. 483 00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:53,760 Speaker 2: The children sneak their pony named Algonquin, up the White 484 00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:56,240 Speaker 2: House elevator to visit a sick child. But how would 485 00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:58,080 Speaker 2: you know that that's not really he didn't do that. 486 00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:01,359 Speaker 2: It just happened on his watch. But I wanted to 487 00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:03,160 Speaker 2: take this opportunity to ask you. 488 00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:05,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, you here's so. 489 00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:10,800 Speaker 2: Many wonderful things about Jeddy Roosevelt. But he he did 490 00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:13,600 Speaker 2: some things and had some He did some things that 491 00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:15,919 Speaker 2: were pretty unpopular, and I wonder if you could kind 492 00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:17,680 Speaker 2: of run through those some of those things. 493 00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:22,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's interesting. So Theodore Roosevelt, he actually was elected 494 00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:26,560 Speaker 3: governor of New York in eighteen ninety eight. At the 495 00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:30,000 Speaker 3: time they had two term governorships, and Garrett Hobart, who 496 00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:33,119 Speaker 3: was William McKinley's vice president, died in office, and at 497 00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:35,919 Speaker 3: the time there was no mechanism for a president to 498 00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:40,040 Speaker 3: nominate somebody to the vice presidency. So it in nineteen 499 00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:43,880 Speaker 3: hundred though, when William McKinney was running for a second term, 500 00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:47,280 Speaker 3: Thomas Platt, who was really kind of the key maker 501 00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:51,359 Speaker 3: of New York politics and conservative, wanted Theodore Roosevelt out 502 00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:54,040 Speaker 3: of the governor's mansion in New York. So he persuaded 503 00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:57,760 Speaker 3: the Republican Party to nominate Theodore Roosevelt to become vice 504 00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:01,480 Speaker 3: president for William mckinn and then what happened to William 505 00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:03,480 Speaker 3: McKinley that year in nineteen oh one, he was in 506 00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:05,800 Speaker 3: the buffalo of the World's Fair and he ended up 507 00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:09,399 Speaker 3: getting assassinated, and Theodore Roosevelt succeeded to the presidency, in 508 00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:12,240 Speaker 3: which Tom Platt said, now that damn cowboy is president. 509 00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:15,119 Speaker 3: And he was very much different from McKinney. McKinney was 510 00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:19,760 Speaker 3: known as very much more of a conservative president. Theodore 511 00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:24,400 Speaker 3: Roosevelt was not McKinney. So Theodore Roosevelt became president, and 512 00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:27,680 Speaker 3: he really started to try to bust certain trusts, he 513 00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:31,320 Speaker 3: tried to make, he tried to put government regulations, and 514 00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:33,280 Speaker 3: he actually and he did not have a vice president. 515 00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:37,040 Speaker 3: So in nineteen oh four they were trying to get 516 00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:38,919 Speaker 3: somebody from the other side of the party to be 517 00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:41,680 Speaker 3: his vice presidential running mate, the McKinley side, if you will, 518 00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:45,840 Speaker 3: and they chose Charles Fairbanks with Fairbanks, Alaska, for some reason, 519 00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:48,080 Speaker 3: is named after And he was very much from the 520 00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:50,520 Speaker 3: different side of the Republican Party. And you also had 521 00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:53,120 Speaker 3: Joe Cannon, who was the Speaker of the House, congressman 522 00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:56,360 Speaker 3: from Illinois, and he would say not one cent for scenery. 523 00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:59,440 Speaker 3: He didn't like the idea that Theodore Roosevelt wanted, which 524 00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:03,119 Speaker 3: is presideration, which is part of his legacy, preserving the 525 00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:05,600 Speaker 3: Great Wild for example. So that was really the kind 526 00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:08,119 Speaker 3: of the that was really the rivalry in the Republican Party. 527 00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:10,919 Speaker 3: So Theodore Roosevelt nineteen oh eight does not run for 528 00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:14,160 Speaker 3: a re election, William Howard Taft wins. He actually ran 529 00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:17,359 Speaker 3: ban against Charles Fairbanks and won. He was kind of 530 00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:19,960 Speaker 3: the heir apparent to Theodore Roosevelt if he will William 531 00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:23,240 Speaker 3: Howard Taft dots. He praised Roosevelt in his inauguration address, 532 00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:26,399 Speaker 3: But then Roosevelt believed that that William Howard Taff was 533 00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:31,720 Speaker 3: not progressive enough. So in nineteen twelve, when the primaries 534 00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:35,040 Speaker 3: were beginning, he ran against William Howard Taft for the 535 00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:39,000 Speaker 3: Republican presidential nomination and ended up lout. Ended up winning 536 00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:41,800 Speaker 3: more primaries, but lost at the convention. And at the 537 00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:45,080 Speaker 3: convention Theodore Roosevelt said, I'm stripped to the buff. I'm 538 00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:46,960 Speaker 3: gonna throw my hat in the ring, and he ran 539 00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:49,880 Speaker 3: ASO a Progressive Party republic Party nominee, and that's where 540 00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:52,479 Speaker 3: the slogan throw your hat in the ring came. And 541 00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:55,480 Speaker 3: they ran against each other. You had Theodore Roosevelt as 542 00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:58,600 Speaker 3: Theodore Roosevelt and William Howard is the progressive can of 543 00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:02,000 Speaker 3: William Howard Taft's conservative candidate, Eugene B. Debs as a 544 00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:05,320 Speaker 3: socialist candidate, and Woodrow Wilson the Democrat who ended up 545 00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:08,760 Speaker 3: winning the Demo ended up winning the presidency and serving 546 00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:09,359 Speaker 3: two terms. 547 00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:14,280 Speaker 1: What are some other political slogans? Yes, backstory? 548 00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:19,240 Speaker 3: Oh, oh, this is my favorite. One is actually William 549 00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:23,399 Speaker 3: I was actually Martin van Buren. Martin van Buren served 550 00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:26,600 Speaker 3: becomes elected in eighteen thirty six, runs for reelection in 551 00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:30,360 Speaker 3: eighteen forty and he lost that reelection to William Henry Harrison. 552 00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:33,879 Speaker 3: But he had the nickname because he's hailed from Kinderhook, 553 00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:37,680 Speaker 3: New York, and his nickname was Old Kinderhook. So he 554 00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:42,320 Speaker 3: would sometimes sign correspondence Old Kinderhook. Then he got kind 555 00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:45,280 Speaker 3: of lack of day's ago, Old Kinderhook yep. Then he 556 00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:48,120 Speaker 3: got lack of days ago and he started signing it 557 00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:51,680 Speaker 3: just okay, And that's likely where the word okay comes from. 558 00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:53,920 Speaker 1: That's good stuff. Any more of those? 559 00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:59,680 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, absolutely, the same campaign. He's opponent, William Henry Harrison. 560 00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:01,880 Speaker 3: What they used to do is when they would have 561 00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:04,320 Speaker 3: rallies for William Henry Harrison would get when when they 562 00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:07,000 Speaker 3: have a rally in the town, they would get this 563 00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:10,440 Speaker 3: huge ball and roll it from one side to the other, 564 00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:12,800 Speaker 3: and a one set would be a positive things about Harrison, 565 00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:16,840 Speaker 3: the other negative things about Martin van Buren, and then 566 00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:19,720 Speaker 3: they would roll it. And that's where the slogan keep 567 00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:21,320 Speaker 3: the ball rolling probably came from. 568 00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:22,800 Speaker 2: Oh my god, you got a bunch of these. We 569 00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:24,400 Speaker 2: have to do some more later, but I don't. I 570 00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:27,280 Speaker 2: want to ask you one more question about Teddy Roosevelt. Now, 571 00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:31,280 Speaker 2: she did something that folks, at least now don't do 572 00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:35,600 Speaker 2: very much, and he defied his party bosses as Republican 573 00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:41,960 Speaker 2: party bosses by fighting against corporate monopolies and railroad regulation 574 00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:45,520 Speaker 2: and things like that, which I guess that made him 575 00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:47,760 Speaker 2: must have made him popular with his party leaders. 576 00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:49,600 Speaker 1: People don't do that anymore. 577 00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:53,120 Speaker 2: Was that more common back then, to defy your party leaders? 578 00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:57,560 Speaker 3: Yes, actually it was because at the time the parties 579 00:29:57,560 --> 00:30:00,640 Speaker 3: were not necessarily ideological. There were more There were kind 580 00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:03,040 Speaker 3: of two parties in one, if you will. On the 581 00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:06,640 Speaker 3: Republican side, you had the conservatives like Speaker Joe Cannon, 582 00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:10,200 Speaker 3: like Vice President Charles Fairbanks. And then you had the 583 00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:13,040 Speaker 3: Progressives and they would oftentimes be kind of at war 584 00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:16,280 Speaker 3: with each other. This really came to a head not 585 00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:18,840 Speaker 3: only in not only that year, but also in nineteen 586 00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:22,640 Speaker 3: twenty four when Calvin Coolidge won the Republican nomination and 587 00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:25,640 Speaker 3: Jean W. Davis won the Democratic nomination. This was a 588 00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:29,239 Speaker 3: high tide of conservatives because both candidates were Conservative. So 589 00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:34,000 Speaker 3: Robert Laffolette landed up running, who was the governor from Wisconsin, 590 00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:38,600 Speaker 3: landed up running as the Progressive Party Canada, and twelve 591 00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:43,760 Speaker 3: Republicans in the House of Representatives landed up endorsing Lafillette 592 00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:47,600 Speaker 3: over being over the incumbent president of their own party, 593 00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:50,760 Speaker 3: Calvin Coolidge. And what happened is that the Speaker of 594 00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:55,360 Speaker 3: the House at the time, mister Nicholas Longworth, actually expelled 595 00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:59,960 Speaker 3: them from the Republican caucus. Imagine today, if Michael john 596 00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:03,800 Speaker 3: Mike Johnson expelled twelve members from the Republican caucus, you 597 00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:06,360 Speaker 3: know what happened. The Democrats would be hedgemonic in the 598 00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:07,920 Speaker 3: House of Representatives. 599 00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:12,120 Speaker 2: Wow, okay, I want to share a little a little 600 00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:14,520 Speaker 2: that I know about Washington and this is this is 601 00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:18,520 Speaker 2: not groundbreaking stuff. But the first things most everybody knows 602 00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:21,320 Speaker 2: about him. But the last thing is pretty interesting and 603 00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:23,680 Speaker 2: it's related to his It's all related to his teeth. 604 00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:25,680 Speaker 1: First of all, he did not have wooden teeth. 605 00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:29,080 Speaker 2: His teeth were made out of We had a number 606 00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:35,160 Speaker 2: of sets of teeth made out of stuff like ivory, brass, gold, gold, 607 00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:40,680 Speaker 2: and lead. Some of his dentires included lead and some 608 00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:45,160 Speaker 2: included human teeth, and they thought people thought it was 609 00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:47,800 Speaker 2: they were wooden teeth because the ivory would get stained 610 00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:50,720 Speaker 2: and it kind of looked like wood. He did terrible, 611 00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:55,960 Speaker 2: terrible dental issues after the age of fifty five, and 612 00:31:57,160 --> 00:31:59,640 Speaker 2: sometimes when he'd have his own teeth pulled, he would 613 00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:02,800 Speaker 2: have them saved to make dentures out him out of 614 00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:06,000 Speaker 2: which seems like a pretty good idea. And you can 615 00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:08,000 Speaker 2: actually see a set of his teeth at Mount Vernon. 616 00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:10,520 Speaker 2: But this is the thing that I think is pretty interesting. 617 00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:15,640 Speaker 2: There was a document related to his teeth which may 618 00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:20,600 Speaker 2: have caused, may have contributed to the British las a yorktown. 619 00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:27,320 Speaker 2: And he used to have this kit of denture scraping tools, 620 00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:32,200 Speaker 2: dental tools, and he had written a personal letter to 621 00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:36,760 Speaker 2: whoever had those tools and said, look, have these delivered to. 622 00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:39,720 Speaker 1: New York. 623 00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:45,840 Speaker 2: And that missive, along with some others in a and 624 00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:51,400 Speaker 2: some letters together, was captured. And due to the personal 625 00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:55,120 Speaker 2: nature of the thing about his teeth he's telling he's 626 00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:58,520 Speaker 2: telling somebody to send his teeth scraping tools to New 627 00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:01,600 Speaker 2: York made them believe that it was true and that 628 00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:05,880 Speaker 2: it wasn't a setup. And it made the British believe 629 00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:09,720 Speaker 2: that it was unlikely that they were going to march 630 00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:15,000 Speaker 2: south towards Yorktown. And so that that kind of contributed 631 00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:19,520 Speaker 2: to the our side being able to take the British 632 00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:22,600 Speaker 2: kind of by surprise down south. Because he wanted his 633 00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:25,440 Speaker 2: tooth scraping tools to New York. They thought he was 634 00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:27,560 Speaker 2: kind of going to stay in New York. I think 635 00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:32,360 Speaker 2: that's pretty interesting, how about you, Rich? 636 00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:36,240 Speaker 3: Yes, that's fast, that's fascinating and that and that was 637 00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:39,560 Speaker 3: a great way of synthesizing all that all that laundry 638 00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:40,960 Speaker 3: list of information there too. 639 00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:43,800 Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, I'll read the faster. 640 00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:47,000 Speaker 2: During the Revolutionary work, George requested Dundal cleaning tools in 641 00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:50,520 Speaker 2: a letter which was intercepted by the British. The correspondence, 642 00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:53,760 Speaker 2: implying a focus on personal care in New York misled 643 00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:56,360 Speaker 2: the British into believing the American Army would not move 644 00:33:56,400 --> 00:34:02,120 Speaker 2: to Yorktown, allowing for surprise attack eighteen seventy. Seventeen eighty two, 645 00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:07,160 Speaker 2: Washington wrote to his dentist to get to get tools 646 00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:13,040 Speaker 2: for his deteriorating see mustn't his It must have been 647 00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:16,640 Speaker 2: awful his teeth. Anyway, let's we have one more segment 648 00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:19,279 Speaker 2: after this with Rich Rabino on WBZ. 649 00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:25,279 Speaker 3: You're on Night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ, Boston's 650 00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:25,920 Speaker 3: news radio. 651 00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:28,759 Speaker 2: All right, we have a few more minutes with presidential 652 00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:34,719 Speaker 2: historian political historian. Excuse me, Rich Robino, excuse me, Thanks 653 00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:37,360 Speaker 2: for being with us, Rich. I was really I was 654 00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:42,480 Speaker 2: really enjoying those origins of political slogans or things that 655 00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:46,120 Speaker 2: have come into the common usage, like the word okay. 656 00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:48,960 Speaker 2: I'd love to hear any some more of those, if 657 00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:50,759 Speaker 2: you have them. 658 00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:53,120 Speaker 3: I'm starting to think of anything else that came from 659 00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:58,080 Speaker 3: political okay, that came from political okay, I'll say, I'll 660 00:34:58,080 --> 00:34:58,799 Speaker 3: try to think of something. 661 00:34:58,880 --> 00:34:59,160 Speaker 1: All right. 662 00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:00,960 Speaker 2: In the meantime, let me run these by you and 663 00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:04,280 Speaker 2: see if you know, can confirm or deny these things. 664 00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:06,160 Speaker 1: Kind of interesting story. 665 00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:10,560 Speaker 2: John Quincy Adams was known to see his mornings by 666 00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:13,440 Speaker 2: skinny dipping in the Potomac. 667 00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:14,520 Speaker 1: Have you is this a thing? 668 00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:17,480 Speaker 3: Yes, it is true, and there were a few times 669 00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:19,560 Speaker 3: where I guess he almost drowned. But it is true 670 00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:22,319 Speaker 3: that he would swim in the Potomac. And there's a 671 00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:26,440 Speaker 3: story which is probably mendacious, probably not true, that a 672 00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:28,520 Speaker 3: reporter would come up to him every day and say, 673 00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:30,000 Speaker 3: I want to get an interview. I want to get 674 00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:32,680 Speaker 3: an interview, and finally he got an interview from him. 675 00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:34,399 Speaker 3: But I do but it is true that he That's 676 00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:36,759 Speaker 3: probably not true, but it is probably true that John 677 00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:39,680 Speaker 3: Quincy Adams would would do this every morning, sometimes with 678 00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:43,719 Speaker 3: the show for and sometimes just him all by himself. 679 00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:45,920 Speaker 1: Times are different. 680 00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:50,360 Speaker 2: Then, by the way, when when did presidents begin to 681 00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:53,920 Speaker 2: get security or Secret Service type of protection. 682 00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:57,800 Speaker 3: Well, it's interesting, actually the Secret Service was established the 683 00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:01,680 Speaker 3: day that Abraham Lincoln died in eighteen six. But it 684 00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:04,319 Speaker 3: was more for security. It was more, I mean, it 685 00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:07,640 Speaker 3: was more for counterfeiting that type of thing. It gradually 686 00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:10,200 Speaker 3: they would get a few it they would get Gradually 687 00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:13,160 Speaker 3: they would get people that would protect them, beginning really 688 00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:17,080 Speaker 3: with McKinley, after McKinley was shot. So that's really when 689 00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:19,200 Speaker 3: I kind of think it began. I know that former 690 00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:22,840 Speaker 3: presidents also have it, by the way, so former presidents 691 00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:27,360 Speaker 3: have protection, and they also have certain things that you know, 692 00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:29,720 Speaker 3: they do get. There are certain things that a former 693 00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:32,960 Speaker 3: president gets, and that is certainly one thing that they get. 694 00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:36,000 Speaker 3: They also get an office, for example, but they do 695 00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:38,960 Speaker 3: they do. Former presidents get protection for the rest of 696 00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:42,040 Speaker 3: their lives. And here's a great here's a fascinating story 697 00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:45,279 Speaker 3: about Secret Service. Actually, the day John F. Kennedy died 698 00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:50,360 Speaker 3: November twenty second, nineteen sixty two, sixty three, Lyndon Johnson 699 00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:53,480 Speaker 3: was going back to thought. People thought that Lyndon Johnson 700 00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:55,200 Speaker 3: would be going back to the White House as a 701 00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:57,520 Speaker 3: new president. But in steady decided to go back to 702 00:36:57,560 --> 00:37:00,799 Speaker 3: his home in suburban Virginia to get some things, and 703 00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:03,640 Speaker 3: there was a there was a Secret Service agent there, 704 00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:05,799 Speaker 3: and he thought that this was an intruder, so he 705 00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:08,680 Speaker 3: took his gun out, put his gun up right, then 706 00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:11,160 Speaker 3: put his gun out like he was going to shoot him, 707 00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:13,400 Speaker 3: put it right up to his this to his face. 708 00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:15,480 Speaker 3: And it turned out it was Lyndon Johnson. 709 00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:21,480 Speaker 2: Whoa oh man. So back to John Quincy Adams, and 710 00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:24,440 Speaker 2: his is a skinny dipping. I understand that some of 711 00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:27,759 Speaker 2: the sometimes you would skinny dip in the river for 712 00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:28,880 Speaker 2: ninety minutes. 713 00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:32,719 Speaker 3: Yes, that is that. That sounds about right. 714 00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:34,839 Speaker 1: I don't do anything for ninety minutes. I mean that's 715 00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:37,280 Speaker 1: a long that's a long time. 716 00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:39,840 Speaker 3: Times times have changed. 717 00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:42,920 Speaker 2: Tell me some interesting stuff about John Quincy Adams or 718 00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:44,080 Speaker 2: just a couple of things. 719 00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:48,319 Speaker 3: Well, John Quincy Adams had a real rivalry and a 720 00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:52,480 Speaker 3: real hatred for his successor, Andrew Jackson. Andrew Jackson was 721 00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:55,040 Speaker 3: elected in eighteen twenty eight. The two would run against 722 00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:57,400 Speaker 3: each other in eighteen twenty four, and John Quincy Adams 723 00:37:57,400 --> 00:38:00,600 Speaker 3: had won. They absolutely hate each other. John Quins viewed 724 00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:03,440 Speaker 3: him as somebody who did not have an education. Jackson 725 00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:05,880 Speaker 3: was the first president who did not come from the 726 00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:09,279 Speaker 3: patrician class. So he actually John Quincy Adams would not 727 00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:13,480 Speaker 3: attend his inauguration. This is very rare in American history 728 00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:18,040 Speaker 3: that a president doesn't attend being inauguration of his successor. 729 00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:20,840 Speaker 3: But he didn't tendant the inauguration, and at one point, 730 00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:23,719 Speaker 3: actually Andrew Jackson ended up getting an honorary degree at 731 00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:27,280 Speaker 3: Harvard and John Quincy Adams, who was an alumnus of Harvard, 732 00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:31,600 Speaker 3: would not attend, would not attend. So that's one thing. 733 00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:34,400 Speaker 3: The other thing is he's the only president who, after 734 00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:38,160 Speaker 3: serving as president, went to the House of Representatives. Andrew 735 00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:40,080 Speaker 3: Johnson went for the Senate. He went to the House 736 00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:43,480 Speaker 3: of Representatives, and he became very much an advocate for 737 00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:46,719 Speaker 3: ending slavery. And he landed up actually dying in the 738 00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:50,400 Speaker 3: Speaker's chambers, in the Speaker's room when he was in 739 00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:52,719 Speaker 3: the House of Representatives. But he went for He had 740 00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:57,640 Speaker 3: a very kind of very odd, very odd way of 741 00:38:57,680 --> 00:38:59,799 Speaker 3: going from president and then going all the way down 742 00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:02,080 Speaker 3: to being a lonely member of the United States House 743 00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:02,919 Speaker 3: of Representatives. 744 00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:06,399 Speaker 2: Okay, here's a weird one. And believe me, I don't 745 00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:10,200 Speaker 2: know this. This has been looked up, but I can't 746 00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:12,440 Speaker 2: be sure it's true. You know, you just can't trust 747 00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:17,720 Speaker 2: the internet. But I'm asking you, Calvin Coolidge, I'm reading 748 00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:19,880 Speaker 2: that he would have petroleum jelly rubbed. 749 00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:20,480 Speaker 1: In his head every morning. 750 00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:23,480 Speaker 3: I have not heard that. 751 00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:27,200 Speaker 1: You cannot confirm to deny that. Okay, what about this one? 752 00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:29,760 Speaker 1: What about Warren Harding? 753 00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:33,080 Speaker 2: Frequently he had poker games where he would gamble away 754 00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:34,680 Speaker 2: the White House. 755 00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:38,920 Speaker 3: White House, China. Yes, that is true. He would gamble 756 00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:42,920 Speaker 3: the White House China. Harding was elected president in nineteen 757 00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:45,040 Speaker 3: twenty And here's a great one because we're talking about 758 00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:48,319 Speaker 3: sayings and where they came from different terms. In ninth 759 00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:50,120 Speaker 3: so he gets elected to the Senate, and then in 760 00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:54,560 Speaker 3: nineteen sixteen, he's delivering a speech at the Republican National Convention, 761 00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:58,520 Speaker 3: the keynoteed dress nominating Charles Evans Hughes. And he absolutely 762 00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:01,759 Speaker 3: uses a term first time we've known that the term 763 00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:03,759 Speaker 3: was used. He talked about the people who founded the 764 00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:11,160 Speaker 3: country and he called them the founding fathers. Oh from 765 00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:12,080 Speaker 3: Warren G. Harding. 766 00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:17,759 Speaker 2: Okay, now now back to Warren g. Uh, what is 767 00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:19,360 Speaker 2: he the one that was particularly corrupt? 768 00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:23,720 Speaker 3: Yes, A lot of that was the people around him, 769 00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:27,200 Speaker 3: but he was not he I don't know how much 770 00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:29,480 Speaker 3: how he. I mean, he was corrupt in terms of 771 00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:31,919 Speaker 3: having affairs, but there were a lot of people around 772 00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:33,799 Speaker 3: and it was called the Ohio Gang, people that had 773 00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:36,359 Speaker 3: come from Ohio. He'd been a senator from Ohio and 774 00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:38,879 Speaker 3: a lot of those people were corrupted, landed up going 775 00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:41,800 Speaker 3: to jail. But he was very popular when he was president. 776 00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:44,920 Speaker 3: But there were some scandals involved. There was some scandals 777 00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:48,080 Speaker 3: when he was president. Tea pot Doma was called and 778 00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:51,759 Speaker 3: he became Persona and Grada from the Republican Party for 779 00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:53,480 Speaker 3: a little while after he served president. 780 00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:55,040 Speaker 1: Hey, and when did you take the next thirty seconds 781 00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:56,160 Speaker 1: to plug your books? 782 00:40:57,040 --> 00:40:59,120 Speaker 3: Yes, it's the Great America. The latest one is the 783 00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:03,359 Speaker 3: Great American Political Trivia Challenge Political Trivion Steroids. You can 784 00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:05,600 Speaker 3: buy it. You can go to our Rich Rabino dot 785 00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:08,760 Speaker 3: com or just go to Amazon dot com. 786 00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:11,799 Speaker 2: Beautiful Ritz, you're a fantastic guest. Thank you very much, 787 00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:15,799 Speaker 2: and to everyone out there, thank you for being with me. 788 00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:18,040 Speaker 2: Thank you for putting up with me. I really appreciate it. 789 00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:22,399 Speaker 2: Thank you very much. And that's pretty much it. Dan 790 00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:25,200 Speaker 2: Ray should be in tomorrow. Please tell them I said 791 00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:28,759 Speaker 2: hello and that uh, that's gonna do it for me. 792 00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:30,960 Speaker 2: I gotta I'm going out to the tea now and 793 00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:33,919 Speaker 2: not drive if I got to catch the last tea. 794 00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:36,719 Speaker 2: So there you Rich Rabino, fantastic guest. We hope to 795 00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:39,680 Speaker 2: have you back. And thanks to George Claremont as well 796 00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:42,040 Speaker 2: and Craig Fitzgerald.