1 00:00:01,320 --> 00:00:06,320 Speaker 1: It's Night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ, Boston's news radio. 2 00:00:06,320 --> 00:00:10,200 Speaker 2: All Right, a couple of weeks ago, during the eight 3 00:00:10,200 --> 00:00:13,880 Speaker 2: o'clock hour, we talked to a guest who. 4 00:00:13,760 --> 00:00:14,720 Speaker 3: Was really a lot of fun. 5 00:00:14,720 --> 00:00:20,440 Speaker 2: His name was Brian Westnedge, and we were talking about 6 00:00:20,120 --> 00:00:25,760 Speaker 2: porch pirates, you know, the people who decide they have 7 00:00:25,880 --> 00:00:31,160 Speaker 2: to take from your porch, maybe an item that someone 8 00:00:31,280 --> 00:00:36,400 Speaker 2: had sent you from UPS or any of the major deliveries. 9 00:00:36,600 --> 00:00:39,720 Speaker 2: I'm sure you know what it is. And Brian Westnedge 10 00:00:39,920 --> 00:00:43,960 Speaker 2: the vice president of Alliances and Partnerships at red Sift, 11 00:00:44,120 --> 00:00:49,360 Speaker 2: which is a cyber security company, and we're going to 12 00:00:49,479 --> 00:00:53,400 Speaker 2: talk about not only this, but also talk about digital 13 00:00:53,800 --> 00:01:00,000 Speaker 2: scams and how your digital security can become better protect. 14 00:01:00,280 --> 00:01:03,240 Speaker 2: So Brian west n Edge, welcome back to Nightside. 15 00:01:04,200 --> 00:01:05,920 Speaker 1: Hey, Dan's great to be with you, Knight. 16 00:01:06,400 --> 00:01:09,479 Speaker 2: Well, you know, I think everybody knows what a porch 17 00:01:09,560 --> 00:01:14,319 Speaker 2: pirate is, and I assume that you know a lot 18 00:01:14,360 --> 00:01:17,200 Speaker 2: more about it than I do. How long have people 19 00:01:17,600 --> 00:01:23,440 Speaker 2: been losing items off of their porches? You know, whether 20 00:01:23,480 --> 00:01:26,000 Speaker 2: we're talking about mail. I guess mail used to go 21 00:01:26,080 --> 00:01:28,880 Speaker 2: through mail slots, so there was pretty good security. But 22 00:01:29,400 --> 00:01:31,760 Speaker 2: I've seen a lot of videos lately of people who 23 00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:35,120 Speaker 2: have ring doorbells or whatever the type doorbell it is. 24 00:01:35,680 --> 00:01:37,679 Speaker 2: How big a problem is that or is it just 25 00:01:37,760 --> 00:01:42,120 Speaker 2: a problem that kind of runs from Thanksgiving to Christmas? 26 00:01:42,840 --> 00:01:46,240 Speaker 1: Now? I think was I mean our reliance on e 27 00:01:46,280 --> 00:01:50,680 Speaker 1: commerce as consumers over the last you know, decade, decade 28 00:01:50,680 --> 00:01:53,680 Speaker 1: and a half. It's a year problem for sure. Definitely 29 00:01:53,760 --> 00:01:58,400 Speaker 1: heightened it the holidays when we're all ordering more for 30 00:01:58,520 --> 00:02:01,920 Speaker 1: our relatives and uh, you know, our friends and our 31 00:02:02,320 --> 00:02:05,720 Speaker 1: business partners. But yeah, it's a year round issue, uh Dan. 32 00:02:05,800 --> 00:02:08,760 Speaker 1: And I think it's just you know, with uh covid 33 00:02:08,760 --> 00:02:13,120 Speaker 1: probably exacerbating the issue with with our reliance on ordering 34 00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:16,640 Speaker 1: things to our doorstep when we can't uh you know, 35 00:02:16,680 --> 00:02:18,639 Speaker 1: get out to the store. So I don't see it 36 00:02:18,720 --> 00:02:23,200 Speaker 1: as a as an issue. They'll be going away. But 37 00:02:23,320 --> 00:02:26,440 Speaker 1: there's some there's some low tech and some you know, 38 00:02:26,520 --> 00:02:30,200 Speaker 1: some high tech ways that our listeners can can use 39 00:02:30,280 --> 00:02:31,720 Speaker 1: to prevent issues like these. 40 00:02:31,919 --> 00:02:34,800 Speaker 2: Well, I know that that that you folks are involved 41 00:02:34,880 --> 00:02:37,920 Speaker 2: very much in cybersecurity, which might be more complicated in this, 42 00:02:38,040 --> 00:02:40,360 Speaker 2: but this is an example that I'd like to talk 43 00:02:40,360 --> 00:02:45,320 Speaker 2: about just with you and what people can do. Obviously, 44 00:02:45,880 --> 00:02:49,640 Speaker 2: if you have a UPS delivery or FedEx delivery, or 45 00:02:49,760 --> 00:02:53,200 Speaker 2: you know, I say it's Postal service delivery, and it's 46 00:02:53,200 --> 00:02:55,000 Speaker 2: a package that is not going to fit in your 47 00:02:55,040 --> 00:02:58,400 Speaker 2: mailbox or it's going to be left at your if 48 00:02:58,480 --> 00:02:59,160 Speaker 2: your front door. 49 00:02:59,240 --> 00:03:01,400 Speaker 3: Now, we could be a f or in an apartment building, 50 00:03:01,800 --> 00:03:02,639 Speaker 3: it could be a. 51 00:03:02,680 --> 00:03:08,080 Speaker 2: Front door on a little side street. What what you 52 00:03:08,120 --> 00:03:12,399 Speaker 2: know can you do to diminish the likelihood that some 53 00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:15,079 Speaker 2: thief is going to just decide to drive on by. 54 00:03:15,400 --> 00:03:17,680 Speaker 3: Notice that they have no idea what's in the package. 55 00:03:18,440 --> 00:03:19,400 Speaker 3: It seems to me if. 56 00:03:19,240 --> 00:03:21,280 Speaker 2: Someone shop lives from a store, they know what they're 57 00:03:21,320 --> 00:03:25,040 Speaker 2: taking out of there. These people are just ripping you 58 00:03:25,120 --> 00:03:27,560 Speaker 2: off in the hopes that they're going to find something 59 00:03:28,160 --> 00:03:31,280 Speaker 2: sitting inside a package that's of value and they're not 60 00:03:31,320 --> 00:03:32,920 Speaker 2: going to come up and look at it real quickly. 61 00:03:33,200 --> 00:03:36,480 Speaker 2: I've watched the camera videos. They screwed up the front 62 00:03:36,520 --> 00:03:40,360 Speaker 2: walk and they grab the package and they run. What 63 00:03:40,440 --> 00:03:43,360 Speaker 2: are they thinking. They're just they're just trying to grab 64 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:45,440 Speaker 2: whatever they can. They give a look around, make sure 65 00:03:45,520 --> 00:03:47,520 Speaker 2: nobody's walking up or down the street, and it's just 66 00:03:47,600 --> 00:03:49,000 Speaker 2: a crime of opportunity. 67 00:03:50,040 --> 00:03:53,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm sure they're they're hoping that we're ordering you know, 68 00:03:53,600 --> 00:03:58,120 Speaker 1: some air pods versus you know, some some groceries or 69 00:03:58,360 --> 00:04:01,720 Speaker 1: or something kind of low cost only hoping that uh, 70 00:04:01,880 --> 00:04:05,839 Speaker 1: you know, we're we're we're ordering high value item electronics, uh, 71 00:04:06,280 --> 00:04:09,040 Speaker 1: high end clothing, et cetera. And and it is I 72 00:04:09,120 --> 00:04:13,160 Speaker 1: think you're right, it is a crime opportunity. It's uh, 73 00:04:13,680 --> 00:04:17,599 Speaker 1: you know, very very you know easy to just drive 74 00:04:17,640 --> 00:04:19,920 Speaker 1: around the neighborhood look for things on the front porch. 75 00:04:19,960 --> 00:04:22,919 Speaker 1: As he said, like if if these are items that 76 00:04:22,960 --> 00:04:27,640 Speaker 1: are not going to fit into a mailbox and you 77 00:04:27,440 --> 00:04:30,479 Speaker 1: know you can't necessarily deliver to your office or or 78 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:34,039 Speaker 1: to a neighbor, you know you're you're at risk. But 79 00:04:34,080 --> 00:04:36,479 Speaker 1: there are some things you can do, like, uh, you know, 80 00:04:36,560 --> 00:04:41,560 Speaker 1: sign up certainly for for ups x USPS. They all 81 00:04:41,600 --> 00:04:46,599 Speaker 1: have delivery services that that don't cost anything, but will 82 00:04:46,640 --> 00:04:50,480 Speaker 1: alert you when you've used a retailer or some other 83 00:04:50,560 --> 00:04:53,440 Speaker 1: vendor to to buy something. Generally speaking, you will get 84 00:04:53,440 --> 00:04:55,720 Speaker 1: a heads up. You can sign up via email or 85 00:04:56,080 --> 00:04:58,560 Speaker 1: text to let you know that, uh, the package is 86 00:04:58,560 --> 00:05:01,520 Speaker 1: on the way, the it has been delivered, etc. So 87 00:05:01,600 --> 00:05:05,040 Speaker 1: sign up for those delivery services first and foremost, because 88 00:05:05,520 --> 00:05:07,560 Speaker 1: all of the folks that you're going to be ordering from, 89 00:05:07,600 --> 00:05:12,160 Speaker 1: generally speaking, are going to use feed XCPS, USPS, potentially PHL, 90 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:15,720 Speaker 1: but all of those sign up for their delivery services 91 00:05:15,760 --> 00:05:18,599 Speaker 1: so you can get notifications first and foremost, so you 92 00:05:18,760 --> 00:05:22,080 Speaker 1: know when to expect a package. And then if you 93 00:05:22,200 --> 00:05:26,200 Speaker 1: can't be helme at a particular time, and you know, 94 00:05:26,279 --> 00:05:28,360 Speaker 1: obviously if you have a neighbor that can pick something 95 00:05:28,400 --> 00:05:30,800 Speaker 1: up for you, or you can hold the delivery. A 96 00:05:30,839 --> 00:05:32,880 Speaker 1: lot of times those online services will allow you to 97 00:05:33,440 --> 00:05:37,240 Speaker 1: hold the delivery or to reschedule it for a convenient time. 98 00:05:37,279 --> 00:05:40,440 Speaker 1: That can be helpful. And then vendors like Amazon will 99 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:43,679 Speaker 1: allow you to choose a particular day for their deliveries 100 00:05:43,680 --> 00:05:45,720 Speaker 1: so you can consolidate all the deliveries on one day 101 00:05:45,760 --> 00:05:49,239 Speaker 1: so you're not spread out on every day of the week. 102 00:05:49,400 --> 00:05:52,599 Speaker 1: And then finally, if you want to use a monitoring 103 00:05:53,440 --> 00:05:57,520 Speaker 1: camera either on your front door, your garage, or somewhere 104 00:05:57,520 --> 00:06:01,880 Speaker 1: on your front porch, that certainly can give you, you know, 105 00:06:01,960 --> 00:06:06,239 Speaker 1: some some evidence or you can at least see if somebody, 106 00:06:06,320 --> 00:06:08,200 Speaker 1: you know, getting alert when somebody comes to your door, 107 00:06:08,320 --> 00:06:10,040 Speaker 1: and if it's somebody that you're not expecting you and 108 00:06:10,120 --> 00:06:13,479 Speaker 1: obviously if your home can take some action. And even 109 00:06:13,600 --> 00:06:17,440 Speaker 1: through those doorbells, you can communicate with people from the outside, 110 00:06:17,480 --> 00:06:22,159 Speaker 1: so you can certainly try to scare away somebody that's 111 00:06:22,200 --> 00:06:25,039 Speaker 1: that's trying to you know, make a make a score 112 00:06:25,040 --> 00:06:25,799 Speaker 1: on your front porch. 113 00:06:26,040 --> 00:06:29,159 Speaker 2: Now, if you're having something of tremendous value being sent 114 00:06:29,240 --> 00:06:32,560 Speaker 2: to you, clearly at that you can do is you 115 00:06:32,560 --> 00:06:36,560 Speaker 2: could you could pick it up at General FedEx or 116 00:06:36,600 --> 00:06:41,279 Speaker 2: the UPS side, you could have it rerouted. But when 117 00:06:41,360 --> 00:06:44,080 Speaker 2: something of let's say, I don't know, fifty dollars, one 118 00:06:44,120 --> 00:06:47,520 Speaker 2: hundred dollars, something of value, but certainly it's it's more 119 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:52,600 Speaker 2: than nominal value, and and you believe it's been stolen, 120 00:06:52,720 --> 00:06:56,440 Speaker 2: is that covered by any insurance that the company's running 121 00:06:56,440 --> 00:06:59,240 Speaker 2: me I assume that UPS and all of these companies, 122 00:06:59,279 --> 00:07:04,640 Speaker 2: now they must realize that porch piracy is a problem 123 00:07:04,680 --> 00:07:07,200 Speaker 2: in every part of the country. And can they do 124 00:07:07,320 --> 00:07:10,320 Speaker 2: anything to mitigate the damages or no, or a pretty 125 00:07:10,360 --> 00:07:11,080 Speaker 2: much once you or. 126 00:07:13,400 --> 00:07:18,080 Speaker 1: That's a great point. Yeah, I mean, every every retailer 127 00:07:18,160 --> 00:07:22,960 Speaker 1: will have a different you know policy, A lot a 128 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:27,960 Speaker 1: lot of retailers, you know, will we'll certainly have you know, 129 00:07:28,320 --> 00:07:32,440 Speaker 1: free returns when you don't like something. But but in 130 00:07:32,480 --> 00:07:36,200 Speaker 1: my experience when you have a have a package that 131 00:07:36,320 --> 00:07:41,080 Speaker 1: doesn't arrive at all, and maybe you've checked with UPS 132 00:07:41,080 --> 00:07:43,920 Speaker 1: and they say we've delivered it, or or maybe they 133 00:07:43,960 --> 00:07:47,480 Speaker 1: say it's you know, it's still we we haven't gotten 134 00:07:47,520 --> 00:07:48,720 Speaker 1: a delivery confirmation. 135 00:07:50,400 --> 00:07:50,600 Speaker 4: You know. 136 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:54,360 Speaker 1: Certainly, contacting the retailers should probably be the first course 137 00:07:54,440 --> 00:07:57,920 Speaker 1: because retailers are used to this issue. You know, they 138 00:07:57,960 --> 00:08:01,240 Speaker 1: would expect a certain amount of you know, if you're 139 00:08:01,240 --> 00:08:03,600 Speaker 1: in a physical store, you expect a certain amount of 140 00:08:03,600 --> 00:08:09,320 Speaker 1: shrinkage from you know, potential shoplifters or or damage goods 141 00:08:09,400 --> 00:08:12,280 Speaker 1: and things like that. There is that concept, you know, 142 00:08:12,360 --> 00:08:15,280 Speaker 1: on on online sales as well, So the retailers are 143 00:08:15,280 --> 00:08:19,760 Speaker 1: not unused to this problem. So certainly call the retailer 144 00:08:19,800 --> 00:08:22,320 Speaker 1: first and see if you know you can get a 145 00:08:22,360 --> 00:08:26,400 Speaker 1: credit and a replacement first and foremost. Secondly, you know, 146 00:08:26,680 --> 00:08:30,640 Speaker 1: UPS and the carrier can be another alternative. You should 147 00:08:30,680 --> 00:08:33,360 Speaker 1: investigate with them. If you ideally have the tracking number, 148 00:08:33,360 --> 00:08:35,319 Speaker 1: they can look it up and they can either say, well, 149 00:08:35,360 --> 00:08:38,800 Speaker 1: it was delivered or wasn't. But for you know, let's 150 00:08:38,840 --> 00:08:42,199 Speaker 1: say low value items like that, and it may be 151 00:08:43,120 --> 00:08:46,840 Speaker 1: a bit of a challenge to to to try and 152 00:08:46,960 --> 00:08:51,440 Speaker 1: pursue anything other than contact, and the retailer and the 153 00:08:51,520 --> 00:08:56,480 Speaker 1: carrier probably you know, in terms of uh, you know, 154 00:08:56,559 --> 00:08:59,800 Speaker 1: the police, it's going to be you know, a fair 155 00:09:00,760 --> 00:09:03,720 Speaker 1: low value crime, you know, especially if it's you know, 156 00:09:04,120 --> 00:09:06,760 Speaker 1: the cost does not rise to any sort of fellamy theft. 157 00:09:07,720 --> 00:09:10,440 Speaker 1: But yeah, first and foremost, the retailers are going to 158 00:09:10,440 --> 00:09:12,720 Speaker 1: be used to this issue, So start with them and 159 00:09:12,760 --> 00:09:14,839 Speaker 1: then they can guide you the rest of the way. 160 00:09:15,960 --> 00:09:21,120 Speaker 2: My guest is Brian west Edge. Brian is with a company, 161 00:09:21,120 --> 00:09:24,040 Speaker 2: it's a cyber security companies, the vice president of Alliances 162 00:09:24,080 --> 00:09:28,520 Speaker 2: and Partnerships at red Sift. They're a cyber security company 163 00:09:28,600 --> 00:09:35,120 Speaker 2: that basically works with email security, phishing, spoofing, and they 164 00:09:35,160 --> 00:09:39,559 Speaker 2: don't deal with individual customers, more to it with businesses. 165 00:09:40,120 --> 00:09:42,480 Speaker 2: So I want to talk more about that. But before 166 00:09:42,559 --> 00:09:44,800 Speaker 2: we get to that, Brian, we'll come back after the break, 167 00:09:45,160 --> 00:09:46,880 Speaker 2: and I want to talk to you about some videos 168 00:09:46,920 --> 00:09:50,440 Speaker 2: I've seen where people apparently are able to put some 169 00:09:50,480 --> 00:09:56,240 Speaker 2: sort of exploding die pack in what looks like phony packages. 170 00:09:56,960 --> 00:09:59,960 Speaker 2: And there are these videos online that I have seen 171 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:04,280 Speaker 2: in which are hysterical, where these individuals come up clearly 172 00:10:04,800 --> 00:10:10,160 Speaker 2: looking to steal a box off someone's front porch or 173 00:10:10,200 --> 00:10:13,720 Speaker 2: front steps. They grab it, they run to their car 174 00:10:13,880 --> 00:10:16,800 Speaker 2: and it explodes and they It's like the die packs 175 00:10:18,960 --> 00:10:22,880 Speaker 2: at banks when bank robbers take some cash with them, 176 00:10:22,920 --> 00:10:25,079 Speaker 2: they'll throw this die pack in the bag or in 177 00:10:25,160 --> 00:10:29,120 Speaker 2: the pouch, and it's it's very effective. 178 00:10:29,120 --> 00:10:33,840 Speaker 3: It's helped stop bank robberies. I think it's a. 179 00:10:33,880 --> 00:10:35,760 Speaker 2: Scourgeon and I want to talk to you about that 180 00:10:35,800 --> 00:10:37,960 Speaker 2: a little bit, and that people have seen those videos. 181 00:10:38,400 --> 00:10:39,880 Speaker 3: I think it's brilliant. 182 00:10:39,520 --> 00:10:43,520 Speaker 2: If it will discourage people from basically trespassing on to 183 00:10:43,640 --> 00:10:49,720 Speaker 2: someone's property, taking their property and the person who's the 184 00:10:49,800 --> 00:10:52,680 Speaker 2: victim isn't even home at the time. We'll be back 185 00:10:52,720 --> 00:10:55,360 Speaker 2: with Brian west Edge. If you have a question, feel 186 00:10:55,360 --> 00:10:57,360 Speaker 2: free to join the conversation. I want to tell a 187 00:10:57,400 --> 00:10:59,600 Speaker 2: story if you've been the victim of a porch pirate 188 00:11:00,440 --> 00:11:02,760 Speaker 2: at any point in time, love to have from you. 189 00:11:02,760 --> 00:11:04,920 Speaker 3: And there's also a lot of companies who will. 190 00:11:04,800 --> 00:11:10,079 Speaker 2: Tend I've recently received some notices and notifications which say 191 00:11:10,120 --> 00:11:12,440 Speaker 2: a package is on the way and I haven't ordered anything, 192 00:11:13,360 --> 00:11:16,240 Speaker 2: and that's I want to talk to Brian about as well, 193 00:11:16,240 --> 00:11:18,880 Speaker 2: because I'm sure that's either some sort of spoofing. We 194 00:11:18,960 --> 00:11:21,280 Speaker 2: got we got a lot to talk about. Brian is 195 00:11:21,280 --> 00:11:24,400 Speaker 2: a cybersecurity expert. I think it's important for all of 196 00:11:24,480 --> 00:11:27,360 Speaker 2: us to pay attention to this because it's only becoming. 197 00:11:28,040 --> 00:11:29,520 Speaker 3: Worse as time goes on. 198 00:11:29,640 --> 00:11:33,160 Speaker 2: It's not a problem that local police are going to 199 00:11:33,160 --> 00:11:36,240 Speaker 2: put up as a priority, which is understandable. And we'll 200 00:11:36,240 --> 00:11:39,040 Speaker 2: be back on nights side the number six one, seven, two, five, 201 00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:41,800 Speaker 2: four ten thirty or six one seven, nine three one 202 00:11:41,920 --> 00:11:45,480 Speaker 2: ten thirty again a different topic. We try to come 203 00:11:45,520 --> 00:11:48,640 Speaker 2: back with some different topics night after night, week after 204 00:11:48,679 --> 00:11:51,880 Speaker 2: week to help you in so many different ways. If 205 00:11:51,880 --> 00:11:54,720 Speaker 2: you have a question, don't hesitate to call coming back 206 00:11:54,760 --> 00:11:57,480 Speaker 2: on or or an experience, don't hesitate to call coming 207 00:11:57,520 --> 00:12:01,440 Speaker 2: back Right after this side with Dan Ray on. 208 00:12:03,080 --> 00:12:04,559 Speaker 1: Boston's News Radio. 209 00:12:05,800 --> 00:12:11,880 Speaker 2: My guess is Brian Brian Westwoods and Brian is west Needge. 210 00:12:11,920 --> 00:12:15,840 Speaker 2: Let me get that corrupt that pronunciation west Needge. He 211 00:12:16,160 --> 00:12:20,359 Speaker 2: is the vice president of Alliances and Partnerships at Redsift, 212 00:12:20,360 --> 00:12:23,760 Speaker 2: a cybersecurity company. Give you a chance to explain what 213 00:12:24,480 --> 00:12:28,040 Speaker 2: you don't serve you you do not have individuals as clients, 214 00:12:28,040 --> 00:12:31,040 Speaker 2: but give us an idea about we'll get back to 215 00:12:31,080 --> 00:12:33,600 Speaker 2: the Porsche pirates in a moment about the type of 216 00:12:34,280 --> 00:12:39,000 Speaker 2: cyber security that you help protect businesses from. 217 00:12:39,120 --> 00:12:42,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, certainly domain protection would be one of the things 218 00:12:42,920 --> 00:12:45,600 Speaker 1: he do. Is so helping companies, let's say somebody like 219 00:12:45,679 --> 00:12:48,920 Speaker 1: a mass General or a State Street bank or a 220 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:52,800 Speaker 1: bu secure their own domains from being impersonated. So you 221 00:12:52,840 --> 00:12:57,240 Speaker 1: mentioned earlier about kind of the rise of online scams 222 00:12:57,240 --> 00:13:01,160 Speaker 1: and we all get, you know, fake messages purporting to 223 00:13:01,200 --> 00:13:04,280 Speaker 1: be a known, you know company they might do business with. 224 00:13:04,679 --> 00:13:09,199 Speaker 1: We help companies protect themselves against those emao and phishing attacks. 225 00:13:09,960 --> 00:13:14,160 Speaker 1: We help companies protect themselves against attacks from lookalike to me. 226 00:13:14,280 --> 00:13:16,520 Speaker 1: So there's an interesting story we can talk about a 227 00:13:16,559 --> 00:13:21,439 Speaker 1: pretty creative theft of some lobster over in Tonton from 228 00:13:21,559 --> 00:13:25,120 Speaker 1: a shipping company that thought they were or for excuse me, 229 00:13:25,120 --> 00:13:27,040 Speaker 1: from a lobster vendor thought they were dealing with a 230 00:13:27,080 --> 00:13:29,520 Speaker 1: real shipping company. It was going to take a shipment 231 00:13:29,559 --> 00:13:32,800 Speaker 1: a lobster to Costco, but instead the bad guys created 232 00:13:32,840 --> 00:13:35,120 Speaker 1: a fake domain that looked like the shipping company and 233 00:13:35,160 --> 00:13:40,360 Speaker 1: interacted with the lobster purveyor and stole this large shipmental lobster. 234 00:13:40,480 --> 00:13:43,319 Speaker 1: So it's a it's kind of just with today's world 235 00:13:43,320 --> 00:13:46,080 Speaker 1: that you're probably all of us are living in. You know, 236 00:13:46,080 --> 00:13:51,120 Speaker 1: there's a rise of AI, you know, assisted scams. You know, 237 00:13:51,200 --> 00:13:53,280 Speaker 1: none of us can really kind of look at an 238 00:13:53,320 --> 00:13:55,240 Speaker 1: email today. And you know, it used to be you 239 00:13:55,240 --> 00:13:58,120 Speaker 1: could you could pick out the Dodge emails pretty easily, right, 240 00:13:58,160 --> 00:13:59,800 Speaker 1: You could just look at it and be like, hey, 241 00:14:00,280 --> 00:14:03,080 Speaker 1: you know that doesn't sound right, or you know there 242 00:14:03,160 --> 00:14:06,839 Speaker 1: might be some misspellings and pronunciation, or you know it's 243 00:14:06,920 --> 00:14:09,520 Speaker 1: clearly you know, the person sending an email, you know, 244 00:14:09,600 --> 00:14:11,640 Speaker 1: English might not have been their first language. And now 245 00:14:11,920 --> 00:14:14,320 Speaker 1: it's just a lot harder to look at something and 246 00:14:14,360 --> 00:14:16,360 Speaker 1: try to figure out, hey, is it's real not. So 247 00:14:16,400 --> 00:14:19,240 Speaker 1: we help companies protect themselves against you know, those those 248 00:14:19,280 --> 00:14:22,760 Speaker 1: domain threats, threats to their brand, and then uh, you know, 249 00:14:22,960 --> 00:14:26,000 Speaker 1: just just folks that are trying to exploit weaknesses that 250 00:14:26,040 --> 00:14:27,960 Speaker 1: the companies haven't protected themselves against. 251 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:31,440 Speaker 2: The question is I got one question? What do you 252 00:14:31,480 --> 00:14:33,880 Speaker 2: do with the shipment of lobsters once you steal them? 253 00:14:34,840 --> 00:14:36,480 Speaker 1: You want to know, yeah, right, there must be a 254 00:14:36,520 --> 00:14:39,480 Speaker 1: black market for I guess right. 255 00:14:39,880 --> 00:14:40,320 Speaker 3: Yeah. 256 00:14:40,360 --> 00:14:43,200 Speaker 1: It kind of makes you think of the Sopranos when 257 00:14:43,200 --> 00:14:46,480 Speaker 1: they would you know, take you know, hijack a a 258 00:14:46,880 --> 00:14:52,360 Speaker 1: load of TVs. You know, that's a different sure, true, 259 00:14:52,400 --> 00:14:57,120 Speaker 1: but yeah, I hadn't heard of a lobster theft until recently, 260 00:14:57,160 --> 00:14:59,080 Speaker 1: but it was. It was four hundred thousand dollars worth 261 00:14:59,120 --> 00:15:03,440 Speaker 1: of lobster intended for a costco but somehow the bad 262 00:15:03,480 --> 00:15:08,080 Speaker 1: guys knew the shipping company that the that the lobster 263 00:15:09,080 --> 00:15:12,680 Speaker 1: folks dealt with, and impersonated that company and was able 264 00:15:12,720 --> 00:15:15,680 Speaker 1: to take the entire shipment. So you're right, the black 265 00:15:15,720 --> 00:15:18,920 Speaker 1: market for lobster's probably a whole other show. 266 00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:19,120 Speaker 3: We could do. 267 00:15:19,520 --> 00:15:21,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, so let me I want to come back to 268 00:15:21,280 --> 00:15:24,480 Speaker 2: the porch pirates And as I mentioned, I've been. I 269 00:15:24,680 --> 00:15:27,000 Speaker 2: just happened to see after we had booked it to 270 00:15:27,000 --> 00:15:31,840 Speaker 2: come on a whole group of videos, primarily ring doorbell videos, 271 00:15:31,840 --> 00:15:34,840 Speaker 2: which I assume a legitimate you don't know what's legitimate 272 00:15:34,880 --> 00:15:37,400 Speaker 2: anymore on the web at this point, and that's one 273 00:15:37,400 --> 00:15:41,280 Speaker 2: of the real purposes of your company, to help protect companies. 274 00:15:41,920 --> 00:15:44,680 Speaker 2: But basically it showed these people, you know, pulling up 275 00:15:44,720 --> 00:15:48,440 Speaker 2: in front of homes the ring doorbell camera and again 276 00:15:48,480 --> 00:15:51,440 Speaker 2: I'm using the word ring doorbell. The doorbell camera is 277 00:15:51,480 --> 00:15:55,440 Speaker 2: on and the person kind of skulks up the walk 278 00:15:55,520 --> 00:15:58,800 Speaker 2: looking around. They looking pretty suspicious, and you see that 279 00:15:58,880 --> 00:16:01,560 Speaker 2: they reached down and they grab some sort of a package. 280 00:16:01,920 --> 00:16:04,640 Speaker 2: They scurry back to their car, and all of a 281 00:16:04,680 --> 00:16:09,360 Speaker 2: sudden it blows up and the person this these these charges, 282 00:16:09,440 --> 00:16:12,720 Speaker 2: these these packs, if you will, all of a sudden, 283 00:16:12,760 --> 00:16:16,360 Speaker 2: the person the person looks like a green leprechaun, or 284 00:16:16,400 --> 00:16:18,680 Speaker 2: they looked like a red devil, whatever the color of 285 00:16:18,720 --> 00:16:21,920 Speaker 2: the package was. I assumed that as soon as the 286 00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:25,600 Speaker 2: package is set, once it moves fifteen seconds later, it's 287 00:16:25,600 --> 00:16:29,840 Speaker 2: gonna blow up. And uh, some of these porch pirates 288 00:16:29,880 --> 00:16:32,360 Speaker 2: had the audacity to run back up to the door 289 00:16:32,480 --> 00:16:35,880 Speaker 2: in some pretty colorful language, tell the person they didn't 290 00:16:35,880 --> 00:16:37,640 Speaker 2: have a right to do this, and they were gonnas 291 00:16:37,680 --> 00:16:39,840 Speaker 2: soothe them and all of that. And a couple of 292 00:16:39,840 --> 00:16:44,520 Speaker 2: these knuckleheads, and I say knuckleheads in memory to Busta 293 00:16:44,600 --> 00:16:46,440 Speaker 2: Mayor Tom Andnino, who loved the phrase. 294 00:16:46,920 --> 00:16:49,280 Speaker 3: Some of these knuckleheads were so stupid. 295 00:16:49,520 --> 00:16:52,880 Speaker 2: They're sitting there and they're covered in blue dye or 296 00:16:52,920 --> 00:16:53,640 Speaker 2: purple dye. 297 00:16:54,000 --> 00:16:58,280 Speaker 5: They call the police like they're the victim of a crime, 298 00:16:58,680 --> 00:17:02,160 Speaker 5: even though they're appear it's clearly shows the police there 299 00:17:02,160 --> 00:17:06,960 Speaker 5: were nothing more than a porch pirate. Have you seen 300 00:17:07,040 --> 00:17:09,320 Speaker 5: some of these videos and uh, and do you think 301 00:17:09,359 --> 00:17:11,760 Speaker 5: those are real that people actually now are trying to 302 00:17:11,760 --> 00:17:15,000 Speaker 5: combat the porch pirates? I say, great, if they are. 303 00:17:16,320 --> 00:17:19,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think, uh, as with anything we see online 304 00:17:19,520 --> 00:17:22,320 Speaker 1: these days, I think, as you kind of noted, a 305 00:17:22,359 --> 00:17:26,840 Speaker 1: healthy amount of skepticism is probably in order with some 306 00:17:26,880 --> 00:17:30,520 Speaker 1: of these. So a lot of content, first and foremost 307 00:17:30,600 --> 00:17:33,800 Speaker 1: gets posted on the web by creators who are obviously 308 00:17:33,840 --> 00:17:37,760 Speaker 1: looking for for clicks and eyeballs and and you know, 309 00:17:37,840 --> 00:17:40,760 Speaker 1: the more viral they thing they post, the better it 310 00:17:40,840 --> 00:17:46,280 Speaker 1: is for you know, frankly, they're they're monetization of their site. 311 00:17:46,359 --> 00:17:50,640 Speaker 1: So yeah, you know, I think some of them are real. 312 00:17:50,760 --> 00:17:53,600 Speaker 1: Some of them are fake. And when you're looking at videos, 313 00:17:53,640 --> 00:17:58,159 Speaker 1: you know, if it's if it's like perfect camera resolution, 314 00:17:58,400 --> 00:18:02,040 Speaker 1: you know, there's multiple angles, there's like you know, perfect lighting. 315 00:18:03,640 --> 00:18:06,359 Speaker 1: You know, I think you should probably think a little 316 00:18:06,359 --> 00:18:09,760 Speaker 1: bit about, hey, is this is this real? Sometimes maybe 317 00:18:09,840 --> 00:18:14,000 Speaker 1: the the folks if you look at the at the 318 00:18:14,040 --> 00:18:16,359 Speaker 1: people in the video, you know they might have uh, 319 00:18:17,720 --> 00:18:19,960 Speaker 1: you know, they're they're they're you know, if you see 320 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:22,560 Speaker 1: something that's out of place, you know, maybe their limbs 321 00:18:22,680 --> 00:18:25,399 Speaker 1: or or their hands. You know, something doesn't match. You know, 322 00:18:25,480 --> 00:18:27,880 Speaker 1: you can kind of spot that. Still, this is all 323 00:18:27,920 --> 00:18:32,080 Speaker 1: going to get, I think even worse. But today, those 324 00:18:32,080 --> 00:18:34,600 Speaker 1: short clips that we see where somebody runs up to 325 00:18:34,640 --> 00:18:38,040 Speaker 1: the front porch and grabs something and then it explodes 326 00:18:38,040 --> 00:18:39,959 Speaker 1: on them as they're making their way back to their vehicle, 327 00:18:40,040 --> 00:18:45,320 Speaker 1: I think I think I think many of them are real. Uh, 328 00:18:45,440 --> 00:18:47,720 Speaker 1: the ones that are super highly staged. I don't know 329 00:18:47,720 --> 00:18:50,760 Speaker 1: if you've seen these, but like where there's a camera 330 00:18:50,880 --> 00:18:55,320 Speaker 1: that follows the package in the car, for instance, and 331 00:18:55,359 --> 00:18:59,360 Speaker 1: maybe sets off some noise, right or or smoke bombs 332 00:18:59,440 --> 00:19:01,640 Speaker 1: or or something. Oh yeah, I mean I think. 333 00:19:01,560 --> 00:19:03,919 Speaker 2: That that I haven't seen, But that would be too 334 00:19:04,040 --> 00:19:05,359 Speaker 2: that would be too much. 335 00:19:05,680 --> 00:19:07,919 Speaker 1: Yeah, oh my gosh. Yeah, just kind of over the 336 00:19:07,960 --> 00:19:12,520 Speaker 1: top type of of uh videos. I think I think 337 00:19:12,520 --> 00:19:16,800 Speaker 1: they're real, but they could potentially have been been uh, 338 00:19:17,240 --> 00:19:20,040 Speaker 1: you know, been staged. But I think these videos just 339 00:19:20,080 --> 00:19:24,119 Speaker 1: speak to our desire as consumers, you know, for for 340 00:19:24,160 --> 00:19:28,160 Speaker 1: a little bit of retribution on you know, something that 341 00:19:28,160 --> 00:19:33,639 Speaker 1: that is really uh, you know, annoying and disturbing to 342 00:19:33,640 --> 00:19:35,920 Speaker 1: a lot of us, like our sactity of our home 343 00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:38,959 Speaker 1: you know, in some ways is uh is a bit 344 00:19:39,080 --> 00:19:42,440 Speaker 1: violated when when something is stolen, you know, right right 345 00:19:42,480 --> 00:19:45,399 Speaker 1: from uh under our noses. So I think, you know, 346 00:19:45,560 --> 00:19:48,679 Speaker 1: just with anything, you know, be a bit skeptical, but 347 00:19:48,760 --> 00:19:51,719 Speaker 1: it's just kind of fun to enjoy a little bit 348 00:19:51,760 --> 00:19:54,359 Speaker 1: of payback. Although you and I talked about before I 349 00:19:54,400 --> 00:19:56,600 Speaker 1: came on the air, like, hey, there there could actually 350 00:19:56,640 --> 00:19:59,440 Speaker 1: be and you know this from your from your background, 351 00:19:59,480 --> 00:20:01,480 Speaker 1: but you know, they're could be some liability for you 352 00:20:01,960 --> 00:20:04,800 Speaker 1: if you actually stage something and let's say somebody opened 353 00:20:04,840 --> 00:20:07,800 Speaker 1: the box that exploded and you know, hit them in 354 00:20:07,800 --> 00:20:11,240 Speaker 1: the eye, and you know, I think there's been stories 355 00:20:11,359 --> 00:20:15,640 Speaker 1: of thieves that have been you know, burglarizing homes and 356 00:20:16,040 --> 00:20:20,560 Speaker 1: have ended up suing the homeowners in civil for them 357 00:20:20,600 --> 00:20:21,240 Speaker 1: being injured. 358 00:20:21,560 --> 00:20:22,000 Speaker 3: I don't think. 359 00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:27,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, So I would recommend to our listeners that that 360 00:20:28,640 --> 00:20:30,640 Speaker 1: you go out and try to stage your own little 361 00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:31,320 Speaker 1: booby trap. 362 00:20:31,880 --> 00:20:34,960 Speaker 2: Oh no, we're not recommending that, but people who have 363 00:20:35,040 --> 00:20:38,399 Speaker 2: seen the videos would love to hear, would they think also, 364 00:20:38,440 --> 00:20:40,680 Speaker 2: if you've been the victim of a porch pirate, love 365 00:20:40,760 --> 00:20:43,639 Speaker 2: to hear what you might want to say. What I 366 00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:46,240 Speaker 2: would love to see someone do with the porch pirates is, 367 00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:51,160 Speaker 2: you know, if possible you know, and you really we were. 368 00:20:51,840 --> 00:20:55,879 Speaker 2: We're qualified put a rattlesnake inside one of these boxes. 369 00:20:57,400 --> 00:20:58,399 Speaker 3: The porch pirate. 370 00:20:59,520 --> 00:21:02,600 Speaker 2: I just that I'm sick of the people out there 371 00:21:02,600 --> 00:21:05,600 Speaker 2: who are trying to rip off my neighbors and my 372 00:21:05,800 --> 00:21:11,280 Speaker 2: friends and fellow Americans. We've had enough of it. And well, 373 00:21:11,320 --> 00:21:13,600 Speaker 2: when we get back, we want to talk more about cybersecurity. 374 00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:15,800 Speaker 2: But I'd love to hear a couple of porch pirate stories. 375 00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:19,880 Speaker 2: If you've actually ever confronted someone, talked them, talked them 376 00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:24,320 Speaker 2: down off your porch, or been able to confront them, 377 00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:28,760 Speaker 2: feel free. And if you agree with me that this 378 00:21:28,840 --> 00:21:30,399 Speaker 2: is the bane of our existence. 379 00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:33,480 Speaker 3: It does hit. It hits very close to home. 380 00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:38,240 Speaker 2: As as my guest Brian Westnedge said, we'll take a break, 381 00:21:38,359 --> 00:21:40,680 Speaker 2: love to have you join the conversation. Six one seven, two, 382 00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:43,479 Speaker 2: five four ten thirty six one seven nine three one 383 00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:46,040 Speaker 2: ten thirty. When I talked to Brian a couple of 384 00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:48,280 Speaker 2: weeks ago, I thought this would be a perfect topic 385 00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:53,600 Speaker 2: to give people an opportunity to ask questions about cybersecurity. Again, uh, 386 00:21:53,800 --> 00:21:57,359 Speaker 2: he deals primarily with businesses, but if you have a question, 387 00:21:57,840 --> 00:22:01,000 Speaker 2: this is a great opportunity. Six one seven two thirty 388 00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:04,720 Speaker 2: six seven, nine thirty back on night Side right after. 389 00:22:04,520 --> 00:22:11,520 Speaker 1: This, it's with Dan Ray on Boston's news Radio. 390 00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:15,400 Speaker 3: My guess is Brian west Edge. 391 00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:19,520 Speaker 2: He's the vice president of Alliances and Partnerships at red Sift, 392 00:22:19,720 --> 00:22:25,800 Speaker 2: which is a cyber security company. So I'm assuming that 393 00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:31,440 Speaker 2: there's a lot of need for businesses to have cybersecurity. 394 00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:35,320 Speaker 2: What what is happening to I want to talk about 395 00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:39,080 Speaker 2: your company, your business, What is happening in the world, 396 00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:41,840 Speaker 2: and what are you your coman, What is your company 397 00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:44,800 Speaker 2: able to do to help protect companies that are uh 398 00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:47,760 Speaker 2: the potential victims of some sort of security breach. 399 00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:54,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, so we're trying to keep our customers uh and 400 00:22:54,119 --> 00:22:57,879 Speaker 1: their customers who are your listeners. We're just trying to 401 00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:03,560 Speaker 1: keep the Internet fundamentally safe SOS. As we've talked about AI, 402 00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:09,120 Speaker 1: you know, in terms of looking at at videos and authenticity. 403 00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:13,560 Speaker 1: You know, from what we see the attackers, you know, 404 00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:17,439 Speaker 1: they're they're online pirre. So they're trying to take something 405 00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:21,560 Speaker 1: a value from you as a consumer, whether it's you know, 406 00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:26,960 Speaker 1: credit card information, uh data, personal information, your your social 407 00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:31,600 Speaker 1: security number, your your financial information, et cetera. So we're 408 00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:35,600 Speaker 1: trying to help companies leverage AI for good, if if 409 00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:37,119 Speaker 1: you want to think of it in that way. So 410 00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:40,159 Speaker 1: we want to help companies to use AI to defend 411 00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:43,960 Speaker 1: themselves against these advent threats. There's ways that companies can 412 00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:49,320 Speaker 1: use AI to detect intrusions into their environments, to detect 413 00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:52,600 Speaker 1: whether or not in an email is legitimate or not. 414 00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:55,919 Speaker 1: So it's it's an arms race, and and the attackers 415 00:23:55,960 --> 00:24:00,480 Speaker 1: are always you know, changing their their tactics. And if 416 00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:03,639 Speaker 1: you think about defenders in a way, the companies that 417 00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:06,960 Speaker 1: we all do business with, they have teams that are 418 00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:09,639 Speaker 1: trying to defend themselves against all these new threats. So 419 00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:14,919 Speaker 1: we help companies implement AI for good. We can help companies, 420 00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:18,320 Speaker 1: you know, kind of shore up their infrastructure to make 421 00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:22,280 Speaker 1: sure they're not a soft target for the bad guys. 422 00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:26,119 Speaker 1: So the analogy would be instead of a portra pirate 423 00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:30,800 Speaker 1: trying to break into your house, we help companies protect 424 00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:34,840 Speaker 1: their offices from being broken into digitally and give them 425 00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:38,920 Speaker 1: tools to leverage to stop those types of attacks. 426 00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:42,439 Speaker 4: Now, one of the things that I'm seeing is you 427 00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:52,280 Speaker 4: see these testimonials in which public figures, celebrities either well. 428 00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:55,040 Speaker 2: A lot of them are either movie people or media people. 429 00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:59,480 Speaker 2: They are able to actually in effect put words into 430 00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:04,080 Speaker 2: mouths of individuals that you and I might trust. But 431 00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:12,040 Speaker 2: it's it's they're selling, you know, snake oil, and you're 432 00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:14,960 Speaker 2: looking at someone I'm not going to mention names, but 433 00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:18,199 Speaker 2: names that would be recognizable to you and me, and 434 00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:20,840 Speaker 2: you're looking at that videotape and you're saying that person 435 00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:24,400 Speaker 2: is actually saying these words trying to sell to me this, 436 00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:30,879 Speaker 2: whatever the product is, that's all artificial intelligence. It's AI. 437 00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:35,159 Speaker 2: I don't know how they're able to do that, but 438 00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:38,840 Speaker 2: they sure do, and they kind of suck you in 439 00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:41,560 Speaker 2: where you know this it sounds as if the person 440 00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:44,720 Speaker 2: is reading a news report of some sort and then 441 00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:46,960 Speaker 2: somebody jumps in and says, as a matter of fact, 442 00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:50,120 Speaker 2: you have to listen to what this doctor says. How 443 00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:55,879 Speaker 2: do you possibly defend? You know, we're all relatively to 444 00:25:56,000 --> 00:26:00,520 Speaker 2: some level gullible. We're looking for whatever the the snake 445 00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:03,320 Speaker 2: oil is, whether it's a you know, a toothpaste that 446 00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:07,679 Speaker 2: will make our teeth look whiter and uh and and 447 00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:12,240 Speaker 2: prettier or grow hair or whatever. I mean, this stuff 448 00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:16,440 Speaker 2: is everywhere, and if they're doing it everywhere to us 449 00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:23,920 Speaker 2: as individual uses of our computers. They must, you must 450 00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:26,920 Speaker 2: have a heck of a job to defend companies. How 451 00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:29,920 Speaker 2: do they do this? How do they make someone who 452 00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:33,639 Speaker 2: we know, and whether it's a famous movie star, actually 453 00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:37,880 Speaker 2: say the words and in their voice it sounds like them, 454 00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:40,480 Speaker 2: it looks like them, and it's it's just not like 455 00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:42,879 Speaker 2: a voice over. It's a it's a movie. It's a 456 00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:46,400 Speaker 2: headshot in which the person is appearing to say, this 457 00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:47,280 Speaker 2: is a product you. 458 00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:47,920 Speaker 3: Have to buy. 459 00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:50,800 Speaker 2: It's going to do for you everything that you need. 460 00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:53,600 Speaker 2: It will take twenty years off your life, and you'll 461 00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:56,800 Speaker 2: you'll be six inches taller and you'll be more rich. 462 00:26:57,400 --> 00:27:00,840 Speaker 2: You know, I'm I'm obviously I'm being a exaggerating a 463 00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:04,120 Speaker 2: little bit, but you know the principle, Yeah. 464 00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:06,159 Speaker 1: I think we should all all listen a bit to 465 00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:08,680 Speaker 1: our common sense. So it took me a while to 466 00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:12,720 Speaker 1: realize that George Clooney really was pitching, you know, an expresso, 467 00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:16,359 Speaker 1: because it wasn't something that I would have expected, right, 468 00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:18,520 Speaker 1: that was real and we all kind of maybe read 469 00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:20,880 Speaker 1: about it, you know, in the newspaper. I heard about 470 00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:23,320 Speaker 1: it on the radio. Hey that's a real ad. But 471 00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:27,760 Speaker 1: these days, like if I saw George Clooney hocking. You know, 472 00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:31,120 Speaker 1: let's say some sort of uh you know, weight loss 473 00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:34,160 Speaker 1: dra or or you know, uh. 474 00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:37,560 Speaker 2: You know, use this ice cream and you look like 475 00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:40,440 Speaker 2: George Cloney in your sixties. 476 00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:45,920 Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, no, it's it's I think we should all again, Yeah, 477 00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:48,960 Speaker 1: let's think about some And this could apply to a 478 00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:52,600 Speaker 1: lot of things in in security. But you know, if 479 00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:56,399 Speaker 1: something seems either too good to be true, like you know, 480 00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:58,840 Speaker 1: getting an email that says you won something when you 481 00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:02,480 Speaker 1: didn't actually you know, uh enter or sweepstakes or hey, 482 00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:06,000 Speaker 1: you know less popularly these days, but the old Nigerian 483 00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:08,200 Speaker 1: print scam, like hey, I've come into a sum of money, 484 00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:10,760 Speaker 1: but I need to uh, you know, transfer to somebody 485 00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:13,400 Speaker 1: else and I'll give you a portion. That that stuff 486 00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:16,719 Speaker 1: you know, you really should think about. But but you know, 487 00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:19,399 Speaker 1: it's still people. You kind of said the sort of 488 00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:22,240 Speaker 1: we're all human, right, We're all busy. We all get 489 00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:24,040 Speaker 1: a lot of email, we all get a lot of 490 00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:27,600 Speaker 1: phone calls. So sometimes we're just not thinking correctly. So 491 00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:29,680 Speaker 1: for us at red Ciff, we're just we're trying to 492 00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:33,520 Speaker 1: help companies be proactive in getting ahead of some of 493 00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:36,639 Speaker 1: these threats. And and you know, if it's implementing a 494 00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:40,560 Speaker 1: certain protocol or a standard that they should be utilizing it. 495 00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:43,920 Speaker 1: For instance, for email, there's ways for companies to authenticate 496 00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:47,560 Speaker 1: their legitimate email so it can't be spouced. So we 497 00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:51,120 Speaker 1: help companies kind of be proactive, try not to, you know, 498 00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:53,880 Speaker 1: be in a situation where you're we've all gotten the 499 00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:57,920 Speaker 1: letters from either retailers or financial institutions informing us of 500 00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:00,480 Speaker 1: a data breach. Right, So that's the that's the worst 501 00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:02,480 Speaker 1: case scenario for the companies we work with. So we're 502 00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:05,760 Speaker 1: trying to provide them in a sense of insurance, getting 503 00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:09,480 Speaker 1: ahead of the issue and so they're not having to 504 00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:10,680 Speaker 1: clean up after the fact. 505 00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:14,680 Speaker 6: So so when we say that when we see George Clooney, 506 00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:18,720 Speaker 6: you know, selling I cream or something like that, that's 507 00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:23,080 Speaker 6: what's called the deep fake, Right, is that a properly. 508 00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:26,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, No, you're exactly right. I saw a terrifying demonstration 509 00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:31,880 Speaker 1: last week of in real time a moderator was was 510 00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:34,960 Speaker 1: sitting in front of a group of us from various 511 00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:39,360 Speaker 1: cybersecurity companies and he deep faked himself using another member 512 00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:41,959 Speaker 1: of the audience in real time. So it wasn't like 513 00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:45,400 Speaker 1: there was even a lack it wasn't a recorded video. 514 00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:51,200 Speaker 1: He was live streaming himself as a deep fake, fairly 515 00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:56,280 Speaker 1: disturbingly because he basically, you know, merged his face with 516 00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:59,480 Speaker 1: somebody in the audience. So it was just an in demonstration, 517 00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:02,120 Speaker 1: but it wasn't even recorded, right, So for a lot 518 00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:04,480 Speaker 1: of the things that you're talking about, these these fake 519 00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:08,239 Speaker 1: either fake ads or or maybe somebody just trying to 520 00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:12,360 Speaker 1: espouse a certain political view. You know, they're really just 521 00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:16,880 Speaker 1: giving a program a script and they're saying, hey, you know, 522 00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:19,920 Speaker 1: take this picture that I've downloaded from the internet, turn 523 00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:22,760 Speaker 1: it into a video. Here's the script I wanted to read. 524 00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:26,040 Speaker 1: And a lot of times those scripts are so perfect, 525 00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:31,720 Speaker 1: like it's almost yeah, that looks like you know, George cliney, 526 00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:37,640 Speaker 1: but it's so perfect, and he's he's talking, it's almost 527 00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:40,920 Speaker 1: it's almost so perfect. It's not the way that a 528 00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:47,320 Speaker 1: human would actually perfect correct. Yeah, so it's it's like 529 00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:50,480 Speaker 1: too good a fake, which which sounds kind of kind 530 00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:55,960 Speaker 1: of crazy, but again, like if sixth this goes off, 531 00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:59,480 Speaker 1: you know, just in general, like read an email or 532 00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:05,000 Speaker 1: or you know, uh, you know something on a website, 533 00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:07,920 Speaker 1: just you know, trust trust your gut, I would say, 534 00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:11,400 Speaker 1: and like, hey, You don't have to respond to every 535 00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:14,920 Speaker 1: email or every text message. You know, uh, call call 536 00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:17,320 Speaker 1: the company back, call your friend back. You know, you 537 00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:19,680 Speaker 1: get a spoof and call your brother, right you said, 538 00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:21,520 Speaker 1: you know, you get fake phone calls from your brother, 539 00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:23,840 Speaker 1: you know, call them back on the number you know, 540 00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:26,880 Speaker 1: or or look up the company's real phone number and 541 00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:29,520 Speaker 1: call them. And and don't don't feel that you have 542 00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:32,400 Speaker 1: to respond to something just because it comes in your 543 00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:35,920 Speaker 1: inbox or comes into your uh, comes into your phone. 544 00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:40,480 Speaker 2: No, no obligation whatsoever. Brian exactly, vice president of Alliances 545 00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:42,040 Speaker 2: and Partnerships at Redsift. 546 00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:43,280 Speaker 3: We'll get some phone calls. 547 00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:45,640 Speaker 2: Wrap it up on the other side of this break 548 00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:51,640 Speaker 2: six months seven six seven, I got Terry and Harwich 549 00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:53,240 Speaker 2: coming up, and I got some room for you if 550 00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:55,000 Speaker 2: you'd like to try to get in coming back on 551 00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:58,520 Speaker 2: night Side. You're on night Side with Dan Ray. 552 00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:01,520 Speaker 1: I'm done you beasy Boston's News Radio. 553 00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:05,680 Speaker 3: My guest is Brian west End. 554 00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:09,160 Speaker 2: She's a vice president of Alliances and Partnerships at red Sift. 555 00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:11,400 Speaker 2: And folks want to get in touch with red Sift 556 00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:16,080 Speaker 2: and I can can I assume it's redsift dot com. 557 00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:19,840 Speaker 1: That's right, Yeah, Dan red sift s a f T 558 00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:22,640 Speaker 1: like your sift flower all one word dot com. 559 00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:24,560 Speaker 2: All right, let's get to some phone calls here. Let 560 00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:27,600 Speaker 2: me go first to Terry Don in Harwich. Terry, have 561 00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:30,680 Speaker 2: you how much snow do you get in Harwich? 562 00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:41,920 Speaker 7: Dan? I call it Snowmageddon. A hasard stopped. I got 563 00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:47,440 Speaker 7: another release two inches out there this evening, and I'm 564 00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:53,360 Speaker 7: not even totally shoveled out from the last mass yet. 565 00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:59,040 Speaker 3: Well, I think you're gonna have. 566 00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:01,600 Speaker 7: To buy a plow and put it on my rocker 567 00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:03,520 Speaker 7: and see how that would work. 568 00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:10,040 Speaker 2: Okay, Well, we're talking about cybersecurity and deep fakes on 569 00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:16,840 Speaker 2: your computer and people stealing packages of off your porch 570 00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:20,400 Speaker 2: porchs pirates. My guest is Brian Westnan. Do you have 571 00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:21,920 Speaker 2: a question or comment for Brian? 572 00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:26,000 Speaker 7: Well, I would love to have coffee with him. I'll 573 00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:30,719 Speaker 7: tell you so. I am a victim of severe identity 574 00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:38,280 Speaker 7: sect and I uncovered an illegal sports gambling ring. They 575 00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:42,960 Speaker 7: actually used my personal phone number and hide under it. 576 00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:49,240 Speaker 7: But unfortunately they also attached their phone to my car, 577 00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:55,960 Speaker 7: and they've embedded computer software that I found inside my 578 00:33:56,120 --> 00:34:01,200 Speaker 7: car computer. Now I've had four targets. Did car crashes? 579 00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:05,920 Speaker 7: And I've changed out for cars. I can't keep doing. 580 00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:06,800 Speaker 1: That, Terry. 581 00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:08,560 Speaker 3: What do you mean your car computer? 582 00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:12,760 Speaker 7: I mean, yeah, their computer that's in your car. Dance, 583 00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:17,080 Speaker 7: they added software in your car. 584 00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:21,239 Speaker 2: Okay, let's see, let's see if let me see, let's 585 00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:23,360 Speaker 2: see if Brian has ever heard of anything like this. 586 00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:27,680 Speaker 2: It sounds pretty out there, right, it's. 587 00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:28,600 Speaker 7: More than out there. 588 00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:33,120 Speaker 1: Well yeah, that's uh. You know, the stories that I've 589 00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:36,640 Speaker 1: heard of, Terry are slightly different where somebody has tried 590 00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:40,600 Speaker 1: to act like, you know, the self driving capabilities of 591 00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:44,480 Speaker 1: you know, let's say a yeah exactly or way moo. 592 00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:48,400 Speaker 1: This sounds like, you know, you had a you know, 593 00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:52,880 Speaker 1: just just a typical car, you know, not not necessarily advanced, 594 00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:56,680 Speaker 1: uh you know, self driving or anything like that. And 595 00:34:56,920 --> 00:35:03,600 Speaker 1: uh that is uh boy, that is something that does 596 00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:06,399 Speaker 1: not common, at least in my experience. And I'm so 597 00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:11,160 Speaker 1: sorry it happened to you. Did you get any resolution, 598 00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:14,920 Speaker 1: you know, from from this ring? Were you able to 599 00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:20,160 Speaker 1: uh uh you know, uh catching the perpetrators, were were 600 00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:21,799 Speaker 1: able to get the police involved to help you out? 601 00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:21,960 Speaker 6: How? 602 00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:24,640 Speaker 1: How how did things end up with this way. 603 00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:28,400 Speaker 7: Up at the Attorney General and anybody else at this 604 00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:34,000 Speaker 7: point I was working with an investigating attorney under the 605 00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:40,400 Speaker 7: Secretariat State Division of Securities Enforcement Office, and it's just 606 00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:45,680 Speaker 7: spiraled from there. Because the little pebbles that I gave him, 607 00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:49,120 Speaker 7: he was able to do even more. And it's so 608 00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:54,200 Speaker 7: criminal nobody wants to touch it. It's way above local 609 00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:58,000 Speaker 7: law enforcement. I get that they've all seen it. They've 610 00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:01,640 Speaker 7: been in my car. At one point, I had a 611 00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:07,160 Speaker 7: vehicle that they were actually tracing me with a stytle 612 00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:10,880 Speaker 7: like GPS. Now I don't even know how you do that. 613 00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:13,120 Speaker 2: But I well, Terry, what do you let me ask 614 00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:15,520 Speaker 2: you this, Terry, because again we're running out of time 615 00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:19,040 Speaker 2: here and you've you've opened up a webin. 616 00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:21,920 Speaker 7: I don't know me, Dan, you could kill them the 617 00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:22,640 Speaker 7: real deal. 618 00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:26,200 Speaker 2: No, no, No, I've met Terry, so I understand. But 619 00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:29,879 Speaker 2: but I don't understand, Terry, is what. I just don't 620 00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:33,120 Speaker 2: understand why you would be you perceive yourself to be 621 00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:36,160 Speaker 2: the victim of this. I don't understand why someone would 622 00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:37,279 Speaker 2: be victimizing you. 623 00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:44,000 Speaker 7: I don't understand it either. They're using my identity for 624 00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:45,400 Speaker 7: their criminal stuff. 625 00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:48,960 Speaker 2: Well, I would suggest, you know, you maybe want to 626 00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:51,839 Speaker 2: talk to the United States Attorney's Office or someone like that, 627 00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:55,520 Speaker 2: because this looks like to me. If if what you're 628 00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:58,919 Speaker 2: telling us it's true, and I know you believe what 629 00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:02,279 Speaker 2: you're telling us is true, but if I think you 630 00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:07,040 Speaker 2: need to have the US Attorney be willing to this 631 00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:10,560 Speaker 2: is where you would find Uh, it may be beyond 632 00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:13,919 Speaker 2: even an Attorney General's investigation. Terry, I am flat out 633 00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:16,200 Speaker 2: of time. I don't mean to be rude here, but 634 00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:19,120 Speaker 2: we will talk about it sometimes. Call me and I'll 635 00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:21,239 Speaker 2: call you back. You should talk with the US Attorney's 636 00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:25,000 Speaker 2: office and try to explain it to someone there, because this. 637 00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:32,160 Speaker 7: I did once Carmen Artist, she was three. 638 00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:34,319 Speaker 2: She was three US attorneys ago. So I know you've 639 00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:37,920 Speaker 2: gotta sometimes prep. Terry, do me a favor. Call me tomorrow. 640 00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:40,040 Speaker 2: I'll give you a call. I'll get you some numbers. Okay, 641 00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:42,160 Speaker 2: thanks very much, but I gotta let you run because 642 00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:43,240 Speaker 2: I gotta wrap my hour. 643 00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:45,240 Speaker 3: Thanks, Terry. Appreciate you. 644 00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:49,960 Speaker 2: Okay, no problem, Brian. I wasn't gonna throw you into 645 00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:53,920 Speaker 2: into the middle of that, but I appreciate you joining 646 00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:58,520 Speaker 2: us tonight. How can we How can companies who are 647 00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:03,319 Speaker 2: interested in having their cybersecurity protected by red sift give 648 00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:05,120 Speaker 2: us that website one more time. 649 00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:11,000 Speaker 1: Absolutely red sift like you sift flower all one word 650 00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:14,680 Speaker 1: dot com yep, yep, sift or feel free to link 651 00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:18,840 Speaker 1: look me up on LinkedIn on Brian Westinch and Terry's 652 00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:21,080 Speaker 1: story was terrible, but a lot of things do start 653 00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:25,080 Speaker 1: with identity theft. So a simple, low tech way for 654 00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:27,480 Speaker 1: our listeners to protect themselves is if you get a 655 00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:31,080 Speaker 1: deep fake call from a from somebody to be a 656 00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:34,279 Speaker 1: family member, have a personal family pass code or a 657 00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:36,319 Speaker 1: question that you can ask this person to challenge on 658 00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:38,719 Speaker 1: that they would never know unless it was somebody real, 659 00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:41,760 Speaker 1: So keep that in your back pocket to prevent identity theft. 660 00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:44,040 Speaker 1: And Dan really appreciate you having me on and not 661 00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:46,000 Speaker 1: mentioning the game yesterday. 662 00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:48,880 Speaker 3: That's not a problem. It was. 663 00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:53,239 Speaker 2: Uh, it's an interesting game and now onto the Super Bowl. 664 00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:56,840 Speaker 2: The Patriots done. Congratulates the Patriots are back in the 665 00:38:56,840 --> 00:39:01,360 Speaker 2: Super Bowl. Don't expect a different results from from the 666 00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:06,880 Speaker 2: from the previous results, simplest uh. They they've made Seattle 667 00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:08,640 Speaker 2: a four and a half point favorite. But I like 668 00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:10,319 Speaker 2: the Patriots still, I really do. 669 00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:13,399 Speaker 1: I like your chances. Yeah, speaking as a Broncos fan, 670 00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:14,360 Speaker 1: I like your chances. 671 00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:17,560 Speaker 3: Thanks Brian, thanks so much. We'll talk, so good night. 672 00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:20,080 Speaker 3: I won't hold that again, A great one. Good night. 673 00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:21,680 Speaker 3: All right, we get back. 674 00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:24,360 Speaker 2: I want to talk a little bit about this latest 675 00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:28,560 Speaker 2: shooting in Minneapolis. This is one that may change what's 676 00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:33,040 Speaker 2: going on in Minneapolis, and maybe it will change it 677 00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:35,800 Speaker 2: for the better. I'll explain right after the eleven o'clock 678 00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:36,120 Speaker 2: news