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Speaker 3: Coming up on the eighteenth of March on the Roku channel,

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Speaker 3: the Seattle Seahawks twenty twenty five Seattle Seahawks, a documentary

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Speaker 3: on the Super Bowl champion team in five days from

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Speaker 3: now on the Roku channel, produced by our friends at

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Speaker 3: the NFL Network and NFL Films and joining us right

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Speaker 3: now to talk about that and many many other NFL stories.

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Speaker 3: Mark Ross, NFL Network analysts, joining us right now on

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Speaker 3: the radio show.

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Speaker 1: Mark, How are you man?

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Speaker 4: Oh, I'm just doing can't be better and it's good

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Speaker 4: to be here.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's great to have you on the show, man.

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Speaker 3: And you know, before we talk about everything happening in

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Speaker 3: the National Football League free agency, all that stuff, Hawks

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Speaker 3: made a couple of moves today bringing in a safety

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Speaker 3: from the cults and are running back from Green Bay.

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Speaker 1: We'll get to that in a moment.

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Speaker 3: But this program that's gonna air on March eighteenth, I'm

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Speaker 3: sure we can catch it again on the NFL Network.

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Speaker 3: About the twenty twenty five Seahawks. I mean, Mark, there's

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Speaker 3: they lost their three games by a combined nine points,

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Speaker 3: So how impressed were you by what the Seahawks team

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Speaker 4: Man, Yeah, I mean it was severely and impressive. I

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Speaker 4: Ended up being a Super Bowl MVP. So they just

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Speaker 4: particularly towards the end. It's just just so much talent

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Speaker 4: And they beat them twice too, which I thought was

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Speaker 5: Mark in this Super Bowl era of the last sixty years,

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Speaker 3: Mark Ross, NFL Network analysts with us on the air,

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Speaker 3: don't forget March eighteenth on the Roku channel documentary on

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Speaker 3: the twenty twenty five Sattle Seahawks, produced by NFL Films.

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Speaker 1: So be sure and check that out.

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Speaker 3: And you know, talking about Sam Donald there, man, there's

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Speaker 3: this football team just did. They'll point to the defense first,

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Speaker 3: which is totally fair. But I mean, you mentioned beating

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Speaker 4: We talked about that this week as well, and I

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Speaker 3: and let's just get back to one of those guys,

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Speaker 3: Kenny Walker. Do you believe the Seahawks should have matched

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, and that's the follow up, right, they gave

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Speaker 5: give Mark credit here. I'm looking at the Super Bowl

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Speaker 5: predictions from twenty seven different NFL network experts.

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Speaker 6: One predicted a Seahawk blowout, Wow.

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Speaker 5: Thirty five, ezy thirty five fourteen. Mark Ross was the

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Speaker 5: biggest blowout prediction on the board of any NFL and

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I know John's going to be trying like heck

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Speaker 3: Mark Ross, NFL Network Analyst, And don't forget the documentary

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Speaker 3: and check it out. Mark, you're the best, great stuff.

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Speaker 3: We'll talk soon.

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Speaker 4: Thanks Mark, anytime for sure.

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Speaker 3: I wish we had a hypothetical that's realistic that we

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Speaker 3: it was you, Jackson, I got no idea, brought it

436
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Speaker 3: up on the air, and this is like halfway through

437
00:19:56,359 --> 00:20:00,600
Speaker 3: the season, October whatever. So what I say to Dick,

438
00:20:01,080 --> 00:20:03,359
Speaker 3: I was talking to buddy of mine about this, that, well,

439
00:20:03,520 --> 00:20:07,919
Speaker 3: whatever you believe back in October, whether you would trade

440
00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:10,840
Speaker 3: him or you would not trade him for four first rounders,

441
00:20:11,400 --> 00:20:14,800
Speaker 3: you've got to be closer to saying no today than

442
00:20:14,840 --> 00:20:17,360
Speaker 3: you were two months ago because of what the guy

443
00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:19,879
Speaker 3: just went out and did. That's right, right, Like he

444
00:20:20,080 --> 00:20:23,360
Speaker 3: saved our ass against the Rams twice. You don't get

445
00:20:23,359 --> 00:20:27,080
Speaker 3: the number one seed without Sam Darnold. So the conversation

446
00:20:27,240 --> 00:20:30,880
Speaker 3: really is how valuable is he and how willing are

447
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Speaker 3: you today? Not in general terms Jackson today meaning what

448
00:20:35,800 --> 00:20:36,600
Speaker 3: are we trying.

449
00:20:36,359 --> 00:20:36,800
Speaker 1: To do here?

450
00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:38,520
Speaker 3: We're trying to go back to back, We're trying to

451
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Speaker 3: win consecutive championships. How much are you right now, given

452
00:20:44,280 --> 00:20:48,280
Speaker 3: the opportunity in front of you, willing to create doubt

453
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Speaker 3: at the most important position in sports when right now

454
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Speaker 3: there is none, There is no doubt. You've got your

455
00:20:55,960 --> 00:20:59,160
Speaker 3: guy now. Is he perfect? Absolutely not? Is he top

456
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Speaker 3: five in the NFL? Absolutely not. The point that I

457
00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:05,200
Speaker 3: made the Dick over the break is that if there's

458
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Speaker 3: a group of players right outside the top five, I

459
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Speaker 3: think Donald's in that picture. Whether you want to put

460
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Speaker 3: him six, you want to put him nine, whatever, he's

461
00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:16,960
Speaker 3: in that picture. The difference between whoever that six guy

462
00:21:17,080 --> 00:21:20,160
Speaker 3: is and Sam Donald may not be that much, right,

463
00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:23,239
Speaker 3: Like the delta between number one and number six is

464
00:21:23,240 --> 00:21:26,880
Speaker 3: nowhere near as small as the gap between number six

465
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Speaker 3: and number ten, number eleven, whatever, Right, That's what I

466
00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:32,440
Speaker 3: think you guys may disagree, but that's fine. So how

467
00:21:32,520 --> 00:21:36,239
Speaker 3: much are you willing to create risk in doubt at

468
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Speaker 3: that position when you've got the guy? And if you

469
00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:42,280
Speaker 3: let the guy go, who's going to be your quarterback

470
00:21:42,320 --> 00:21:44,640
Speaker 3: next year? Who's going to be your quarterback next year?

471
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Speaker 3: Even right now? Like if we did this deal today,

472
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Speaker 3: who's your guy next year? You said, Kirk Cousins off

473
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Speaker 3: the air, right.

474
00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:51,320
Speaker 6: Well, he's the only guy left.

475
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Speaker 5: I mean, obviously the options were a lot better a

476
00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:56,560
Speaker 5: week ago, correct, Because you had Mirake Willis, you had

477
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Speaker 5: two a tongue Aboloa, you had Kyler Murray, you had

478
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Speaker 5: a bunch of different guy So.

479
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Speaker 3: I know you hate to a tongue of he would

480
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Speaker 3: you be willing to give up Sam Donald. Yes, and

481
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Speaker 3: if let's say the uh where did he go Atlanta?

482
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Speaker 3: Let's say the Falcons port of Ravens And they said, sorry,

483
00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:16,520
Speaker 3: he filled his physical we can't take him. And they

484
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Speaker 3: put him back on the street. And then all of

485
00:22:18,520 --> 00:22:21,200
Speaker 3: a sudden, somebody calls and says, hey, you can get

486
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Speaker 3: to a tongue of Iloa and you can trade Sam

487
00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:26,320
Speaker 3: Donald right now for four first round draft picks.

488
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Speaker 1: Are you doing that deal? I am You're putting to

489
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Speaker 1: a tongue of.

490
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Speaker 5: My laa and I am the biggest to a tongue

491
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Speaker 5: of aloa high because it's just it's it shows me.

492
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Speaker 6: It just hammers home the principle of this deal.

493
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Speaker 5: Okay, four first round draft picks is twice as insane

494
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Speaker 5: as any.

495
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Speaker 6: Draft or is there any trade has ever happened in

496
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Speaker 6: the n.

497
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Speaker 3: But you can't look at the reality of the history

498
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Speaker 3: of the NFL because this is never allowed.

499
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Speaker 1: Correct.

500
00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:54,040
Speaker 3: This is not something that we can even like, we

501
00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:56,240
Speaker 3: can't go back and say, well, how many times has

502
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Speaker 3: this happened? Because it's never happened because it's not allowed

503
00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:01,840
Speaker 3: to happen. Right, That's why this conversation is so dumb,

504
00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:05,400
Speaker 3: because it's not it's not a realistic hypothetical. I do

505
00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:08,120
Speaker 3: find it interesting though, And this I think Jackson's where

506
00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:10,720
Speaker 3: Dick and I differ a little bit. My only motivation

507
00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:13,920
Speaker 3: right now is winning another title, right, and getting back

508
00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:16,879
Speaker 3: to back champions, specifically next year, next season? Correct, go,

509
00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:20,160
Speaker 3: I want what was taken from us eleven years ago.

510
00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:23,360
Speaker 3: How much do you hurt your chances of doing that

511
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Speaker 3: if you add an extra first round draft pick in

512
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Speaker 3: this year's draft, but also lose Sam Darnold and replace

513
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Speaker 3: him with to a tongue of I love.

514
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Speaker 7: And that's where this debate we've I think we've reached

515
00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:40,000
Speaker 7: the crux of this debate in general. If we hadn't

516
00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:42,720
Speaker 7: just won a title, if we had lost the Rams,

517
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Speaker 7: I think this debate is entirely different.

518
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Speaker 4: I agree.

519
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Speaker 7: But we are talking about a situation right now where

520
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Speaker 7: you are trying to maximize the opportunity to go back

521
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Speaker 7: to back and to join that very elite group of

522
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Speaker 7: back to back teams.

523
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Speaker 5: But I think you're also making yourself better for twenty

524
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Speaker 5: twenty seven, twenty eight, twenty That's.

525
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Speaker 7: That's the thing Dick is like, right that this is

526
00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:03,240
Speaker 7: the crux of the argument. Is that for Softie and

527
00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:06,040
Speaker 7: I think I'm kind of starting to lean that direction.

528
00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:11,000
Speaker 7: The whole idea here is to join that group, to

529
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Speaker 7: go back to back, to take what we once should

530
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Speaker 7: have had to get that mountain top of back to back.

531
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Speaker 7: And if you know, if that comes in this hypothetical scenario,

532
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Speaker 7: if that comes at the risk of sacrificing twenty seven

533
00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:26,920
Speaker 7: to twenty eight, twenty nine in those first round picks

534
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Speaker 7: to be in that group, Sam Donald, you look at

535
00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:35,639
Speaker 7: the other options, he probably gives the best chance for

536
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Speaker 7: the team to do that.

537
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Speaker 1: So what's the.

538
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Speaker 6: Percent chance the Seahawks won a Super Bowl next year.

539
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Speaker 8: On your mind?

540
00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:43,600
Speaker 6: Geez ten?

541
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know.

542
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Speaker 6: It's still it's ten to twenty percent.

543
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Speaker 3: You're exactly, It's still the best odds out there.

544
00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:52,280
Speaker 8: They're right there.

545
00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:53,720
Speaker 1: But you got to give it a show.

546
00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:57,080
Speaker 7: If you trade Donald, then that percentage drops I think

547
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Speaker 7: from like ten to depends.

548
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Speaker 8: If tua it's like like less than fun.

549
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Speaker 3: Let me ask you question, do you do you do

550
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Speaker 3: you if I told you right now that you had

551
00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:10,520
Speaker 3: to bet a significant amount of money that made you

552
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Speaker 3: nervous on one team to win the title next year,

553
00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:15,399
Speaker 3: which team do you bet it on?

554
00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:16,440
Speaker 8: Right now?

555
00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:17,160
Speaker 1: At this moment.

556
00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:21,600
Speaker 3: Okay, so let's maybe I ask you that question after

557
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Speaker 3: the draft. Maybe I asked you that question in August.

558
00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:27,600
Speaker 1: Or I don't think. I don't know, well, right, but.

559
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Speaker 5: If they made trade, there's the best team that I

560
00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:35,639
Speaker 5: changed my I changed back. I still believe the Seahawks

561
00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:37,919
Speaker 5: have the best defense in football. I believe they have

562
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Speaker 5: the best defensive mine in football. So I would take

563
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Speaker 5: the Seahawks. But you're not crazy to take the Rams

564
00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:45,360
Speaker 5: at all. I mean those games were you know, come

565
00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:46,800
Speaker 5: on did? They could have gone either way?

566
00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:47,160
Speaker 4: Right?

567
00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:49,359
Speaker 3: I mean, if the Rams don't fumble the punt and

568
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Speaker 3: they get a fourth down conversion, they win the game,

569
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Speaker 3: and they probably win the whole damn thing. So there

570
00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:57,280
Speaker 3: was This is just like twenty thirteen when the Hawks

571
00:25:57,280 --> 00:26:01,199
Speaker 3: and Niners in the NFC championship was super Bowl. But

572
00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:03,840
Speaker 3: the thing about me for the four first round draft

573
00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:08,760
Speaker 3: picks is this, I don't feel totally comfortable that I

574
00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:12,440
Speaker 3: can go out and replace Sam Darnold with a rookie

575
00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:15,679
Speaker 3: or with a free agent, because the problem with the

576
00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:18,440
Speaker 3: free agent thing is that you're competing with every other

577
00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:21,919
Speaker 3: team out there who also needs a quarterback, right, And

578
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Speaker 3: I think that there is this, in my opinion, clearly

579
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Speaker 3: gets my Why do people say that.

580
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Speaker 6: By the way, I think this in my opinion, why.

581
00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:31,840
Speaker 1: Do people say that? I mean, who else? Am I? Am? I?

582
00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:36,719
Speaker 3: Somebody else all of a sudden that there's this obsession now,

583
00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:40,520
Speaker 3: And I get why there's this obsession After what Baker

584
00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:44,760
Speaker 3: Mayfield has done, Sam Darnald has done, Daniel Jones has done,

585
00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:47,760
Speaker 3: and even in some ways what Gino Smith did right

586
00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:50,520
Speaker 3: in his first year as a starter in twenty twenty two,

587
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:55,960
Speaker 3: there's this obsession from people that cast offs, given the

588
00:26:56,040 --> 00:27:00,440
Speaker 3: right opportunity, should be given a second chance and can

589
00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:03,439
Speaker 3: be given a second chance. I mean when Donald was

590
00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:07,000
Speaker 3: in Carolina, for example, and Daniel Jones was on the

591
00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:14,359
Speaker 3: practice squad of the Minnesota Vikings, Baker was with the Browns. Okay, nobody,

592
00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:18,199
Speaker 3: nobody thought those guys would be making one hundred and

593
00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:22,120
Speaker 3: fifty million dollars combined in the NFL, Yet here they are.

594
00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:27,040
Speaker 3: So do we just assume that because those guys did it,

595
00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:30,960
Speaker 3: that there's three other veteran backups in the NFL that,

596
00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:33,840
Speaker 3: given the right situation, can also do it.

597
00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:35,720
Speaker 6: Well if they have pedigree like some of these guys

598
00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:36,080
Speaker 6: this year.

599
00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:37,040
Speaker 8: Do right.

600
00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:40,080
Speaker 5: I mean Kyler Murray's got pedigree, Kirk Cousins got pedigree.

601
00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:41,959
Speaker 5: I mean they got more pedigree than Sam Darnold than

602
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:44,919
Speaker 5: Daniel Jones ever did when they went to Minnesota and

603
00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:45,480
Speaker 5: Indian Apple.

604
00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:48,120
Speaker 3: But name me another era in the NFL where this

605
00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:49,880
Speaker 3: has happened, right right, right?

606
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:52,119
Speaker 1: I mean this is unique. It is, so we're going

607
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:53,040
Speaker 1: to bank on that happen.

608
00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:55,760
Speaker 3: So is it really just about those three guys or

609
00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:59,040
Speaker 3: four guys or whatever, Like if Malik Willis goes to

610
00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:02,560
Speaker 3: Miami and kills it, if uh, give me another.

611
00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:04,439
Speaker 8: Guy, Matt Jones goes somewhere and kills Max.

612
00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:07,520
Speaker 3: Jones, whatever, right, Like, if we start seeing this consistently

613
00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:10,679
Speaker 3: over the course of five, six, seven years, then we

614
00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:13,000
Speaker 3: can really say, hey man, there's a real problem with

615
00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:15,320
Speaker 3: where some of these guys are ending up because they're

616
00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:18,080
Speaker 3: just in the wrong spot and we got to identify that.

617
00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:21,080
Speaker 3: But is it really about that or is it just

618
00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:22,160
Speaker 3: about those three dudes?

619
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Speaker 5: I think it's more about the first. I think it's

620
00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:27,199
Speaker 5: more about these guys get ruined. Sam Darnold is a

621
00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:30,840
Speaker 5: perfect example. These guys just get ruined by starting at

622
00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:33,240
Speaker 5: the age of twenty one on bad football teams and

623
00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:35,520
Speaker 5: they get ruined. And I just look at you look

624
00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:37,399
Speaker 5: at the history, and I got a list here of

625
00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:39,760
Speaker 5: guys that have gotten traded for at least two first

626
00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:42,760
Speaker 5: round draft picks. And I mean, how many of these

627
00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:45,760
Speaker 5: teams would do this again? How many of these teams

628
00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:49,800
Speaker 5: would trade two first round draft picks for Micah Parsons,

629
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Speaker 5: Russell Wilson, Jared Alaramie Tunsel, Jamal Adams, Jalen Ramsey, Jay Cutler,

630
00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:59,520
Speaker 5: Ricky Williams, Keishawn Johnson, Jeff George. I mean, the chef's

631
00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:03,960
Speaker 5: just two first round draft rights. This is four first round.

632
00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:07,800
Speaker 3: Now do that same exercise, please and tell me how

633
00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:10,360
Speaker 3: many of those teams won a Super Bowl with that

634
00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:13,240
Speaker 3: player and move them for two first rounders, and then

635
00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:15,080
Speaker 3: tell me how many of those teams were going for

636
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:16,040
Speaker 3: consecutive titles.

637
00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:17,280
Speaker 1: And then tell me how many of.

638
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Speaker 3: Those teams also could compliment the guy they just traded

639
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:21,400
Speaker 3: with the best defense in the end.

640
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:24,560
Speaker 5: That's why I'm conceding that that position is definitely leaning

641
00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:28,400
Speaker 5: towards you right now. Right. But the overall, the overall argument,

642
00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:30,520
Speaker 5: and the one that we started with I think is

643
00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:34,360
Speaker 5: I wonder.

644
00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:35,960
Speaker 3: See, But that's the thing that bothers me because I

645
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:39,920
Speaker 3: really look to say that there's a right or wrong

646
00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:43,120
Speaker 3: in this debate is really ludicrous when it's all said

647
00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:45,600
Speaker 3: and done. I take issue with what you just said,

648
00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:48,560
Speaker 3: though the no brainer thing that, to me is what

649
00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:49,360
Speaker 3: I take issue with.

650
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:51,360
Speaker 8: Can we talk about that next, That's what I have.

651
00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:53,160
Speaker 3: A problem with. Like if you were to say, hey,

652
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:56,040
Speaker 3: I would do it, I would do it. But to

653
00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:57,760
Speaker 3: say it's a no brainer.

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Speaker 6: Can we do a poll on this?

655
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Speaker 5: And it was pretty much a no brainer on the poll,

656
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Speaker 5: like way like massive landslide search for that?

657
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Speaker 1: Okay?

658
00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:07,000
Speaker 5: Sure that that okay? Because I know it would be

659
00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:11,160
Speaker 5: like nationwide. I mean, think of if you were to

660
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:14,160
Speaker 5: pull one hundred fans that weren't Seahawks fans and say,

661
00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:17,200
Speaker 5: should the Seahawks trade Sam Darnold for four first round picks?

662
00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:19,440
Speaker 1: I'm going to be a hunter kind of a hunt. Well, okay,

663
00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:21,520
Speaker 1: but that I think that to me is a no brainer.

664
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Speaker 3: But you're saying that you literally will not give the

665
00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:28,200
Speaker 3: other side of the debate any credence whatsoever. You are

666
00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:31,000
Speaker 3: willing to give up the starting quarterback of a Super

667
00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:35,080
Speaker 3: Bowl champion without having anything to replace him, not having

668
00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:38,240
Speaker 3: any guarantee to replace him, and you can't even find

669
00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:41,680
Speaker 3: five percent of your body to give that other side.

670
00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:47,160
Speaker 1: Jackson, you just admitted that you're kind of slowly said

671
00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:49,440
Speaker 1: that laden. Why would you call it a no brainer.

672
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:52,160
Speaker 5: Because I talked about when we I said, if you

673
00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:57,200
Speaker 5: listen to me, I said, said, when we initially talked

674
00:30:57,200 --> 00:30:59,280
Speaker 5: about it, that's what I said was the no brain.

675
00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:01,920
Speaker 1: So it's not a no bringer today. It was a

676
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:02,880
Speaker 1: no brainer that I.

677
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:05,760
Speaker 3: Apologized because I thought you were I thought you just

678
00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:06,760
Speaker 3: said it was a no brainer.

679
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:08,720
Speaker 6: No, I said, that was a no brainer.

680
00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:09,920
Speaker 1: All right, Well.

681
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:15,200
Speaker 5: Good, because I think that's crazy. That's not to say

682
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:18,120
Speaker 5: it's a no brainer now, is asinine After what he

683
00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:19,720
Speaker 5: just did for you.

684
00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:23,360
Speaker 3: That's thank you. For God's sake, I thought we were

685
00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:26,000
Speaker 3: going to have a moment here, all right, We're gonna break.

686
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:29,240
Speaker 3: So wrapping up the news of the day for the Seahawks.

687
00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:32,880
Speaker 3: They've made two very seahawkey moves, have they not?

688
00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:33,320
Speaker 1: Today?

689
00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:37,320
Speaker 3: In free agency? Rodney Thomas, the second safety from the Colts.

690
00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:39,800
Speaker 3: It turns twenty eight in June. Started twenty five games

691
00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:42,120
Speaker 3: with the Colts his first two years, but it has

692
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:45,240
Speaker 3: been basically a backup the last couple of seasons, they've

693
00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:48,480
Speaker 3: signed him. And they sign running back Emmanuel Wilson from

694
00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:53,720
Speaker 3: the Green Bay Packers. Two games started in three years,

695
00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:56,680
Speaker 3: primarily a backup player for Green Bay. Four and a

696
00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:59,680
Speaker 3: half yards per carry, two thousand and eighty three seven

697
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:02,960
Speaker 3: touch downs in three years with the Packers. But like

698
00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:05,160
Speaker 3: we always say, or like I always say, I don't

699
00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:06,720
Speaker 3: want to speak for you guys. I don't want to

700
00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:09,480
Speaker 3: drag you guys down to my level. Every player you

701
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:13,440
Speaker 3: signed to play for your favorite team instantly becomes better

702
00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:16,440
Speaker 3: the second they sign with you. Right, Like nobody a

703
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:19,960
Speaker 3: week ago was looking at Emmanuel Wilson said we got

704
00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:22,680
Speaker 3: to get that guy. He's got potential. I nobody even

705
00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:25,040
Speaker 3: knew who he was for crying out loud. But now

706
00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:27,640
Speaker 3: he comes here, We're like, hey, this could work. You know,

707
00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:32,360
Speaker 3: it's like Tom Hanks in Castaway. Remember that this could work.

708
00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:34,440
Speaker 3: He's got a couple of one hundred yard games under

709
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:35,480
Speaker 3: his belt. This might work.

710
00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:38,560
Speaker 5: I think it totally depends on if you're the optimistic

711
00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:41,920
Speaker 5: fan or you're the pessimistic because I think there's fifty

712
00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:44,240
Speaker 5: percent of the people out there that every time their

713
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:47,400
Speaker 5: team signs a free agent they're like, this guy sucks.

714
00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:48,840
Speaker 1: Can't you just be realistic?

715
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:52,720
Speaker 5: Yes, you should be right, right, I think you though, Yeah,

716
00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:54,160
Speaker 5: I think there's.

717
00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:54,880
Speaker 1: A short option, But I just don't.

718
00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:57,440
Speaker 5: I don't think everybody says like there's going to because

719
00:32:57,440 --> 00:33:01,280
Speaker 5: there's so many just fatalistic, pessimist stick sports fans out there.

720
00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:02,800
Speaker 6: They're like every signing.

721
00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:05,520
Speaker 5: Now, not many Seahawk fans are like that because our

722
00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:08,400
Speaker 5: GM's actually good, but there are a lot of fans

723
00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:10,600
Speaker 5: out there. You think Jet fans think that guys are

724
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:11,480
Speaker 5: awesome when they come to.

725
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:14,080
Speaker 3: There, No, I think Jet fans don't give their GM

726
00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:17,120
Speaker 3: or owner the benefiting any anything. I mean they could,

727
00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:20,280
Speaker 3: they could trade right now for Devin Witherspoon and say

728
00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:23,120
Speaker 3: the guy's a meathead stinks and Jackson Smith and jig

729
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:25,720
Speaker 3: By the same thing. But I do think that there

730
00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:27,760
Speaker 3: is a third option that I mean, you said whether

731
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:31,040
Speaker 3: you're optimistic or whether you're pessimistic, and I don't know.

732
00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:33,920
Speaker 3: I just look at the guy's history, right, I mean,

733
00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:35,760
Speaker 3: I see a guy in Green Bay, and I know

734
00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:38,920
Speaker 3: Green Bay has had some good players that played in

735
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:41,440
Speaker 3: front of this guy the last couple of years. I mean,

736
00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:45,040
Speaker 3: Josh Jacobs was among them, and now he's a Raider obviously, right,

737
00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:47,320
Speaker 3: But you know the guy was a backup. I mean

738
00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:51,240
Speaker 3: he's got two stars, right, correct, He's got got two

739
00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:54,600
Speaker 3: starts in forty one games for Green Bay. There's my

740
00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:58,440
Speaker 3: forty one drop. By the way, he's not getting a

741
00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:01,520
Speaker 3: lot of carries. He's not getting a snaps. He's a backup.

742
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:03,880
Speaker 3: But there's a need for that, right, Like Derek Schultz

743
00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:07,040
Speaker 3: said earlier about what's the guy's name, Rodney Thomas, you

744
00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:07,520
Speaker 3: need that.

745
00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:08,200
Speaker 1: You need depth.

746
00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:10,640
Speaker 3: There's no sport where you need depth like you need

747
00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:11,480
Speaker 3: depth in the NFL.

748
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Speaker 7: I think that for a bunch of Seahawks fans out there,

749
00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:17,640
Speaker 7: you probably have seen Emmanuel Thomas for a couple of games.

750
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:20,359
Speaker 8: Man, thank you exactly.

751
00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:21,719
Speaker 1: Roddie Thomas. You don't even know who he is.

752
00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:26,919
Speaker 7: That's sort of my point. I think that for sek fans,

753
00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:28,520
Speaker 7: we probably saw him a couple of times this year

754
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:30,640
Speaker 7: when you added him to your fantasy football team or

755
00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:33,960
Speaker 7: your opponent added him to their fantasy football team, and

756
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:36,280
Speaker 7: you had to watch what he did. And a couple

757
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:38,520
Speaker 7: of times he stepped in for Josh Jacobs. He was

758
00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:43,000
Speaker 7: pretty darn good. But exactly what softed he's been a backup,

759
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:45,000
Speaker 7: and he's been a backup to Josh Jacobs for a reason.

760
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Speaker 8: And Jacobs wasn't awesome.

761
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:49,000
Speaker 1: He was pretty solid this way right, right.

762
00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:52,040
Speaker 7: So at the same time, like you're getting a guy

763
00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:55,280
Speaker 7: where if John Schneider is going into September saying yeah,

764
00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:57,320
Speaker 7: like listen, if if Sharbonne is not going to be

765
00:34:57,320 --> 00:34:59,920
Speaker 7: one hundred till October and we need four games for

766
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:04,480
Speaker 7: Emmanuel Wilson not Thomas to be our starter, right, I

767
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:06,160
Speaker 7: would hate it if he's thinking that. But he might

768
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:07,160
Speaker 7: actually be thinking.

769
00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:10,960
Speaker 1: Yea, he probably is, and he should he should think that.

770
00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:13,600
Speaker 5: Why why should he He's playing He's paying him twice

771
00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:16,040
Speaker 5: more than the veteran minimum, so he's not he's not

772
00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:18,480
Speaker 5: just giving him veteran minimum much.

773
00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:21,280
Speaker 3: Well what was the market though? Was somebody else willing

774
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:22,799
Speaker 3: to give him? How much did we give this guy

775
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:26,040
Speaker 3: to two point one with somebody else offering one point nine?

776
00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:26,960
Speaker 1: I don't know.

777
00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:29,040
Speaker 3: I mean, I got no idea. But when you say,

778
00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:32,120
Speaker 3: why should he think like that? Because John Schneider needs

779
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:35,400
Speaker 3: to be prepared for every situation. John Schneider needs to

780
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:40,560
Speaker 3: be prepared for Zach Charbonay to blow his ACL and

781
00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:44,400
Speaker 3: he needs in a pinch after the trade deadline, a

782
00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:48,040
Speaker 3: guy on his roster who can spell Kenny Walker on

783
00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:51,360
Speaker 3: third down because Kenny Walker can't block, So he needs

784
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:52,320
Speaker 3: to find somebody.

785
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:54,640
Speaker 7: That's what That's what I'm saying, Softie, Right, So you're

786
00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:56,080
Speaker 7: you're you agree with me?

787
00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:56,759
Speaker 4: Yeah?

788
00:35:56,800 --> 00:35:58,080
Speaker 1: Okay, I thought you were disagreeing.

789
00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:01,879
Speaker 7: I'm saying you if on Scheider is going into September

790
00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:04,520
Speaker 7: saying we think sharp Nay is going to be good

791
00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:07,840
Speaker 7: in October, but we need Emmanuel Wilson, not Thomas for

792
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:09,160
Speaker 7: four games to be our starter.

793
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:11,120
Speaker 1: Right, that's the wrong way to approach it.

794
00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:13,520
Speaker 3: John, I don't know if he's thinking that at all,

795
00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:15,879
Speaker 3: not right. I mean, he might be thinking exactly what

796
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:18,560
Speaker 3: we just talked about, that he's maybe a sled upgrade

797
00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:20,880
Speaker 3: over George Hollane. Maybe George Hollani is the one who

798
00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:23,800
Speaker 3: should be thinking about losing a job, maybe Vellas Jones

799
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:25,640
Speaker 3: or Cam Akers or you know, guys like that.

800
00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:27,719
Speaker 1: So I think you need to look.

801
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:31,440
Speaker 3: To every player has a role, obviously, and there's imagine

802
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:35,200
Speaker 3: a wall, and there's twenty two starters, and then there's

803
00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:38,719
Speaker 3: twenty two backups, and then there's another ten guys behind that,

804
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:41,560
Speaker 3: and everybody's got a roll, right, Like you're our third

805
00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:45,120
Speaker 3: down blocking back, or you are our third tight end

806
00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:48,160
Speaker 3: in our jumbo package. At the goal line, you are

807
00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:50,800
Speaker 3: a blocking back when we get into an I formation

808
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:53,759
Speaker 3: inside the five yard line, right, and if that guy

809
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:56,759
Speaker 3: comes in, it is the difference between the running back

810
00:36:56,840 --> 00:37:00,920
Speaker 3: getting four yards or five yards and a touchdown.

811
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:02,000
Speaker 1: Then that role is meaningful.

812
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:06,520
Speaker 3: So absolutely, I look, I mean, these aren't sexy, they're

813
00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:10,080
Speaker 3: not exciting, right, but they are moves that need to

814
00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:11,920
Speaker 3: be made if you want to have the depth that

815
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:12,840
Speaker 3: takes to win a title.

816
00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:17,760
Speaker 5: He obviously thinks he's better than Vellus Jones or Cam

817
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:20,680
Speaker 5: Akers because or George Hallani or else, he wouldn't have

818
00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:23,560
Speaker 5: given him two million dollars. So that's those guys are

819
00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:26,400
Speaker 5: obviously bumped down the depth chart and probably one.

820
00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:28,279
Speaker 6: Of them, most likely one of them won't make the team.

821
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:31,280
Speaker 5: But I need a talented running back and we don't

822
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:33,000
Speaker 5: have one on this roster right now. And what I

823
00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:36,080
Speaker 5: mean by talented running back, Yes, Zach Sharbonay has talent,

824
00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:40,680
Speaker 5: I mean we had a top ten talented running back

825
00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:42,839
Speaker 5: in the NFL, A guy that Hugh Millen has called

826
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:46,400
Speaker 5: in the past a top five talented running back in

827
00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:49,799
Speaker 5: the NFL. Now he has revised himself of the last

828
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:52,040
Speaker 5: year and called him but still called him a top

829
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:54,280
Speaker 5: ten talented running back in the NFL.

830
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:56,800
Speaker 6: Zach scharbon Ay and my humble opinion.

831
00:37:56,520 --> 00:38:00,000
Speaker 5: Is nowhere close to a top ten talented running back

832
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:00,600
Speaker 5: in the NFL.

833
00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:02,279
Speaker 3: I would just say one thing though, that I would

834
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:04,160
Speaker 3: I would kind of disagree with when you said that

835
00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:06,560
Speaker 3: he's paying him more than George Hallani is still clearly

836
00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:09,879
Speaker 3: George Hallani is getting knocked down. I don't think that's

837
00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:14,279
Speaker 3: necessarily true that just because a guy's getting paid more

838
00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:17,080
Speaker 3: money than somebody else, it means that that's a clear

839
00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:19,479
Speaker 3: sign that the coach or the GM likes him more.

840
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:23,640
Speaker 3: The only reason why he's paying Emmanuel Wilson, right, not

841
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:30,319
Speaker 3: Tom Thomas more money than George Hollani, is because he

842
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:33,640
Speaker 3: has to George Lawn. He's already here and he's making

843
00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:36,719
Speaker 3: one point seven to five. He doesn't need to pay

844
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:39,600
Speaker 3: George Hallani more money. I mean, he may look at

845
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:42,759
Speaker 3: Hellani is a better option, but maybe he just wants

846
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:45,560
Speaker 3: to see some kind of competition. Maybe he's not sure

847
00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:48,279
Speaker 3: about Zach Sharboney. Maybe he thinks there might be some

848
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:51,320
Speaker 3: upside with this Wilson not Thomas kidd that maybe somebody

849
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:54,600
Speaker 3: has not identified. So there's also a chance that Emmanuel

850
00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:57,320
Speaker 3: Wilson doesn't even make the damn football team, by the way.

851
00:38:57,200 --> 00:38:59,520
Speaker 7: And entirely possible, But I think there's really only one

852
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:02,000
Speaker 7: question we need to ask ourselves, yeah, is would we

853
00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:04,720
Speaker 7: trade Emanuel Wilson not Thomas for four first round picks?

854
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:05,080
Speaker 6: Yes?

855
00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:08,320
Speaker 1: Percent, one hundred percent. I think it's a no brainer.

856
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:12,000
Speaker 5: Why are we paying Wilson not Thomas only four million

857
00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:14,719
Speaker 5: less than the Steelers are playing paying Rico Down.

858
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:16,960
Speaker 1: I would have signed Rico Dowell. I would have made

859
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:17,279
Speaker 1: that move.

860
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:20,560
Speaker 3: I said, I would love to know what it was

861
00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:23,160
Speaker 3: about Rico dawdele that. What was the contract? Again, you

862
00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:25,759
Speaker 3: assumed for twelve, so six million dollars a year and

863
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:27,920
Speaker 3: they're paying this dude two for this year. Was it

864
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:32,640
Speaker 3: about Rico Dowdell that you did not like at six

865
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:36,160
Speaker 3: million dollars? I mean, I don't know where's Rico Dowell from?

866
00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:38,680
Speaker 3: By the way, you know where he's from, Like, where

867
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:40,719
Speaker 3: do you go to college? We know that, I mean

868
00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:41,359
Speaker 3: somebody does.

869
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:43,640
Speaker 6: He was undrafted as South Carolina.

870
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:45,760
Speaker 3: South Carolina, so you know, maybe to move to Seattle.

871
00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:48,400
Speaker 3: I don't know, maybe his wife, Maybe he wanted eight million.

872
00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:51,200
Speaker 3: I had no idea, right, Maybe the new millionaires text, oh,

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Speaker 3: it's freaking them out. Not for a couple of years though.

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Speaker 1: With that, what go to a break