WEBVTT - 3-31-26 Sloan with Steve Goodin 

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<v Speaker 1>You want to be an American idiot?

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<v Speaker 2>Do you know how hard is to say? This is

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<v Speaker 2>one of the most bizarre stories we've ever seen in Cincinnati.

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<v Speaker 2>You know how hard that is in the city of ours.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome to its Scott Sloan back on seven hundred w W,

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<v Speaker 2>the man beaten down twenty had beaten twenty eight times

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<v Speaker 2>last summer, who is also facing criminal charges, is supposed

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<v Speaker 2>to have his day in court today. That would be

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<v Speaker 2>Alex Tchravinsky, his trial charged with this early conduct after

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<v Speaker 2>what happened in July back on fourth and ALM. It's

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<v Speaker 2>been delayed and delayed and delayed again and after a

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<v Speaker 2>last minute continuance, but today allegedly is the day. Today

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<v Speaker 2>is the day he will be in court. And on

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<v Speaker 2>that his attorney, Steve Gooden on the show on seven

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<v Speaker 2>hundred WLW Steve, welcome, How are you no?

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<v Speaker 1>Good morning? Fantastic?

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<v Speaker 2>This is gonna happen today. I just feel like something

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<v Speaker 2>is They're gonna go. Well, we need more time, right

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<v Speaker 2>because last time in this really odd case, the prosecution's

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<v Speaker 2>key witness ail to appear. He said he or she said,

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<v Speaker 2>there's fear for safety there after misinformation Len and believe

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<v Speaker 2>he'd be identified as an FBI informant, and they got

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<v Speaker 2>a continuance on that, and I judge said, okay, this

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<v Speaker 2>is the last one. But how does misinformation the prosecution

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<v Speaker 2>failed to manage become grounds to delay a defendant who

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<v Speaker 2>was ready for trial.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you know, look, this is probably the most litigated

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<v Speaker 3>misdemeanor disorderly conduct charge in American history, so nothing would

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<v Speaker 3>surprise me. But I do know you know this judge

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<v Speaker 3>a bit, and I think he's going to put his

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<v Speaker 3>foot down today and make the trial go forward. Also,

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<v Speaker 3>I would note it is a very rare instance in

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<v Speaker 3>which is going to be a jury trial for misdemeanor

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<v Speaker 3>disorderly conduct. It's kind of a rare instance where that's

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<v Speaker 3>even allowed. So I presumably the jury commissioner has brought

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<v Speaker 3>in perspective jurors, and I think that is typically a

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<v Speaker 3>factor for a judge when he grants a continuance, if

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<v Speaker 3>the jurors are really ready to go, doesn't want to

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<v Speaker 3>inconvenience them. So I would bet that today is finally

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<v Speaker 3>the day for the most litigated, disportless kind of strategy

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<v Speaker 3>perhaps in the history of the Republic.

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<v Speaker 2>We've had a lot of We've had a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>bizarre cases come through Cincinnat there's always some if something

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<v Speaker 2>bizarre is going on, there's always a tie to Cincinnati,

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<v Speaker 2>and often we have crazy stuff happening here. But this

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<v Speaker 2>is uh, this has got to be in the top

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<v Speaker 2>of that list, all right, So final continuance. But do

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<v Speaker 2>we even know where are they going to produce this,

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<v Speaker 2>this mystery witness and what happens the case if they don't, well, if.

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<v Speaker 3>They don't, I mean, they presumably have other witnesses. So

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<v Speaker 3>I mean it's just really kind of a sad commentary

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<v Speaker 3>on the state of the city. Then of course, if

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<v Speaker 3>you have a street brawl in Cincinnati, there may be

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<v Speaker 3>may or may not be an FBI. And for him

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<v Speaker 3>at just standing around in the crowd, uh, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>whether he was an abortment or not. I think I

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<v Speaker 3>think they concluded he was not, but but some thought

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<v Speaker 3>he was, So I mean, you know even that that

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<v Speaker 3>adds another level of uh bizarreness and uh, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>complexity to the whole thing. But presumably they have other witnesses.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, what they've got to show here is kind

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<v Speaker 3>of weird. So disorderly conduct in this case is defined

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<v Speaker 3>and I quote, by engaging in fighting or threatening harm,

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<v Speaker 3>by making unreasonable noises or using offensively coarse language or gestures.

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<v Speaker 3>And in order to get the more serious form of

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<v Speaker 3>it that actually carries jail time, I mean, typically it's

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<v Speaker 3>just a payout ticket.

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<v Speaker 1>You have to show that there was persistent.

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<v Speaker 3>Conduct, you know, that way. So that's what they've got

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<v Speaker 3>a show. So they're going to need to put on

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<v Speaker 3>quite a few witnesses, and I'm assuming they're going to

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<v Speaker 3>try to authenticate and play this video. I guess there's

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<v Speaker 3>video from multiple different angles, security cameras, self owned stuff,

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<v Speaker 3>social media, things of that nature. So you know, certainly

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<v Speaker 3>they're going to be able to at least put on

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<v Speaker 3>a basic case with the video alone. Now that said,

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<v Speaker 3>his lawyers said he's going to argue self defense, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>because he says he has been he was struck at

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<v Speaker 3>least twenty eight times and allegedly had some cognitive issues

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<v Speaker 3>right afterwards. And I guess he did give some statements

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<v Speaker 3>to the police, but he's going to argue I think

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<v Speaker 3>that those statements were affected by being hit in the

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<v Speaker 3>head repeatedly. And also I'm assuming his lawyer is going

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<v Speaker 3>to go here if I were his lawyer, I'd be

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<v Speaker 3>going very heavily into the decision to charge mister Travinsky

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<v Speaker 3>because he is listed as a victim and witness in

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<v Speaker 3>multiple felony cases from the other individuals who struck he

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<v Speaker 3>and this lady known as Holly, who was knocked unconscious

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<v Speaker 3>and beaten very badly. So he is both a victim

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<v Speaker 3>and now a very and a witness and now a defendant.

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<v Speaker 3>And he's only charged many, many many months later.

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<v Speaker 1>After there have.

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<v Speaker 3>Been press conferences and so forth, and froth plague game

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<v Speaker 3>in lyunch and some leaders in the black community who

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<v Speaker 3>thought that he needed to be charged based upon seeing

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<v Speaker 3>the videos. So there is some stink on the case

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<v Speaker 3>from that point of view as to whether or not

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<v Speaker 3>he was escapegoated. So I think you've got a lot

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<v Speaker 3>for this jury to consider. I feel sorry for this

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<v Speaker 3>jury because they probably got him paneled. They're dead at

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<v Speaker 3>the courthouse thinking, my god, we may have a homicide

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<v Speaker 3>trial or some serious case involving a you know, a

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<v Speaker 3>large lawsuit. This is going to be fascinating, and instead

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<v Speaker 3>they're going to be dissecting a street brawl from different

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<v Speaker 3>different angles for three or four days.

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<v Speaker 1>So God bless them.

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<v Speaker 2>Ye've been there. The two detectives who spent literally one

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<v Speaker 2>hundreds of hours on game, they wouldn't sign the charges

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<v Speaker 2>against Alex Stravinsky. They were threatened, I guess with the motion,

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<v Speaker 2>and the captain, who, by the way, is now the

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<v Speaker 2>interim police chief, Adam Henny, signed it to protect his office.

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<v Speaker 2>What's that tell you about the strength of the case

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<v Speaker 2>when the investigators won't put their names on.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, you know, it's I mean, I think it's pretty

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<v Speaker 3>obvious it's not the best case in the world. I

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<v Speaker 3>mean that being said, you know, it is a jury trial,

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<v Speaker 3>so you know, anything can happen in a jury trial.

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<v Speaker 3>As we always say, it's not like you know, jurors

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<v Speaker 3>can have a different view of what the community standard

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<v Speaker 3>should be for a case like this, So you just

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<v Speaker 3>you never know. And there is a question as to

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<v Speaker 3>how much the judge is going to let the attorneys

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<v Speaker 3>get into that kind of background about how it was charged,

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<v Speaker 3>and how much the jurors are going to know. Folks

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<v Speaker 3>like you and I are pretty plugged into this. The

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<v Speaker 3>average citizen in Hamilton County may not recall that level

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<v Speaker 3>of detail. And if the judge rules that are truly

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<v Speaker 3>not relevant to whether or not the crime was committed.

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<v Speaker 3>He may keep some of that information from the jurors,

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<v Speaker 3>so we don't know what they will actually know. But

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<v Speaker 3>if they hear that, it's going to really hurt the case.

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<v Speaker 3>And surely they're going to be allowed to know that

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<v Speaker 3>he was assaulted, that he got the worst of.

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<v Speaker 1>This and it's bad. Now.

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<v Speaker 3>Now, if I'm Alex Jrminsky's lawyer, the biggest thing I

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<v Speaker 3>would worry about is this. It's what I would call

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<v Speaker 3>the Victoria Parks factor. I mean, she did say she

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<v Speaker 3>was a former city council member who famously said that the.

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<v Speaker 1>Quote deserve to get be down.

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<v Speaker 3>There are people who may look at this and think,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, nobody here covered themselves and glory.

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<v Speaker 1>They were all out.

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<v Speaker 3>Drinking at two three in the morning in the middle

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<v Speaker 3>of this thing, and there are there was a school

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<v Speaker 3>thought that hey, you know, he was down there mixed

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<v Speaker 3>up in this in one way or another, and you know,

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<v Speaker 3>and a pox on all their houses and everyone's guilty

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<v Speaker 3>of something. I mean, there are people who would look

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<v Speaker 3>at it that way. So you know, again we're well

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<v Speaker 3>afield of the law. It's really hard to apply the

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<v Speaker 3>law and these kind of misdemeanor decisions because are kinds

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<v Speaker 3>of cases because you know, engaging and fighting. I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>it's you know, it's the language is both. It seems

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<v Speaker 3>very specific, but actually when you think about it, it's

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<v Speaker 3>very vague. It's the kind of thing that goes on

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<v Speaker 3>in these brawls all the time. Jury is going to

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<v Speaker 3>have a changefull well.

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<v Speaker 2>I think also it shows you that the echo chamber

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<v Speaker 2>is louder than the law in that this is exactly

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<v Speaker 2>like the Nicholas Sandman thing from twenty nineteen where this

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<v Speaker 2>young man from a cubcath is in DC on a

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<v Speaker 2>high school trip, confronts Nathan Phillips, the Native American man

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<v Speaker 2>who was protesting, and the initial reports were the he

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<v Speaker 2>had and this would be Nick Sandman, the student had

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<v Speaker 2>attacked and verbally attacked or looked down upon this Native

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<v Speaker 2>American man, and it turns out the opposite was true.

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<v Speaker 2>That he didn't walk up to him. The Native American

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<v Speaker 2>elder man walked up to him and he just had

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<v Speaker 2>like a staring contest, I guess, and was smiling at him.

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<v Speaker 2>But all those people who attacked Nick Sandman then didn't

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<v Speaker 2>retract what they said and said, hey, you know, at

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<v Speaker 2>first Blush it looked like he was the aggressor, and

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<v Speaker 2>it turns out the other man was the aggressor. No

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<v Speaker 2>one ever apologizes for these things. Same thing here is

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<v Speaker 2>that it looked like, initially from the citizen video from

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<v Speaker 2>the street videos, that it was Alex Stravinsky as the

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<v Speaker 2>guy who committed the assault, when it turns out he

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<v Speaker 2>was assaulted twenty eight times prior, including Holly. And the

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<v Speaker 2>end result is, well, you know, we had all these

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<v Speaker 2>people step up and say, hey, listen, you charge everybody

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<v Speaker 2>else weren't charging the white guy. And of course when

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<v Speaker 2>the truth came out from the state a different story,

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<v Speaker 2>no one apologized, and we've delayed this trial now forever.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think that's part of it as well, because

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<v Speaker 2>history makes your memory a little bit foggy, right, So

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<v Speaker 2>all those things aside this charge here that ale Stravinsky

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<v Speaker 2>was the aggressor, it turns out he was attacked. That's

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<v Speaker 2>even backed up by the state. The state's on timeline

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<v Speaker 2>shows that how does that charge survive the self defense argument?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, you know it likely won't.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, I you know, my prediction is that the

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<v Speaker 3>most I think most people are going to go look

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<v Speaker 3>at this and think, look this, I didn't deserve to

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<v Speaker 3>be just assaulted the way he was, didn't deserve to

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<v Speaker 3>have his life turned upside down with these criminal charges.

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<v Speaker 3>I do predict that they'll find them not guilty. I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, the the only issue that I think they're

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<v Speaker 3>going they're gonna pound on here is as the videos

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<v Speaker 3>I have seen.

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<v Speaker 1>Can I caution people all the time that.

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<v Speaker 3>These videos we see on Facebook and Twitter, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>are often you know, selectively posted, edited and and and

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<v Speaker 3>often don't have the full context of what happened. But

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<v Speaker 3>there is this issue of what they call, in quote

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<v Speaker 3>end quote, the slap. It does look as though that

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<v Speaker 3>after he was assaulted and walked away from the situation,

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<v Speaker 3>that he did re engage with one individual and.

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<v Speaker 1>Slap that individual.

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<v Speaker 3>Now, whether that admits to some sort of quote persistent fighting,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know. Prosecutors that I know very well, as

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<v Speaker 3>well as some of the police officers who looked at it,

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<v Speaker 3>said look, you know, it's not a serious it's nothing,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, in the context of what happened. So I

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<v Speaker 3>know a lot of very smart and experienced people looked

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<v Speaker 3>at that particular part of the video and found it

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<v Speaker 3>to be not something that would rise to the level

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<v Speaker 3>of criminal conduct, particularly in the case of a guy

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<v Speaker 3>who was the victim of a serious assault, and a

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<v Speaker 3>felony level assault at that by a large crowd. So

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<v Speaker 3>but that I think you're going to hear a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of talk about this slap and where he looked as

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<v Speaker 3>though there was a brief moment where he was at

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<v Speaker 3>least in the clear and away from these individuals and

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<v Speaker 3>then sort of re engaged. I think that's ultimately what

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<v Speaker 3>they're going to have to hang their hat on for

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<v Speaker 3>the prosecution. It's not much, and I do think most

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<v Speaker 3>people are going to look at this fairly and say,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, there's nothing here, and that said, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>there may be other you know, the live witnesses are

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<v Speaker 3>going to provide different contexts. We don't know what he

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<v Speaker 3>was said between these individuals. There have been all kinds

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<v Speaker 3>of allegations and hints that racial slurs were being thrown around.

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<v Speaker 3>We don't know that for a fact. That may change

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<v Speaker 3>kind of how some folks look at this. I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>there are there's an argument that that is exceptionally disorderly.

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<v Speaker 3>We do have this kind of concept of fighting words

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<v Speaker 3>in Ohio, but also It's very interesting. I do think

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<v Speaker 3>because of our new stand your ground laws. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of folks talk about those in the gun contexts,

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<v Speaker 3>but they also sort of apply here. He doesn't really

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<v Speaker 3>have a duty to retreat anymore. There used to be

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<v Speaker 3>this argument in Ohio law for self defense that if

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<v Speaker 3>you were under attack, you know, you did have some

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<v Speaker 3>sort of duty to retreat. You really don't have that anymore.

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<v Speaker 3>So I do think on balance, you know, he will

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<v Speaker 3>likely be found not guilty, but you know, again who knows,

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<v Speaker 3>and there may be evidence that we're not.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, I mean if he sound that guilty, it

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<v Speaker 2>just gives more credence. So that the people who got

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<v Speaker 2>this wrong from the initial had a big press conference

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<v Speaker 2>about it. We'll just say, well, it goes to show

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<v Speaker 2>you how racially biased the court system is, despite of course,

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<v Speaker 2>this case being heard by a jury of their peers

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<v Speaker 2>who will probably see the evidence. Ago Travinsky was the

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<v Speaker 2>victim here and not the assailant. He was struck twenty

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<v Speaker 2>eight times in the head and face concussion syndrome PTSD.

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<v Speaker 2>He owned a being in that fight and throwing the punch.

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<v Speaker 2>He's a victim in this case as well as a defendant.

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<v Speaker 2>How hard is that for the prosecutor to not violate

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<v Speaker 2>his constitutional rights. That's a pretty it seems to me

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<v Speaker 2>to be a pretty narrow window to negotiate this.

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<v Speaker 1>Well.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean, frankly, if the city loses this case.

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<v Speaker 3>And I think that's one of the things that's important

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<v Speaker 3>to note here that there are two different prosecutor's offices

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<v Speaker 3>inning able to count because they handle the county prosecutor's

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<v Speaker 3>office that handles all felonies and some misdemeanors and surrounding areas.

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<v Speaker 3>The city still has its own small prosecutor's office that

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<v Speaker 3>only handles misdemeanors within the city limits, and they're the

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<v Speaker 3>ones bringing this case. But the other prosecutor's office, Hamilicuty

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<v Speaker 3>prosecutor's office, are prosecuting all the other folks involved in

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<v Speaker 3>this fight because they're charged with felonies. So there is

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<v Speaker 3>some some real tension there. It's like, you know, the

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<v Speaker 3>city is prosecuting one of the key witnesses in the

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<v Speaker 3>counties cases.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's a that's a problem number one.

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<v Speaker 3>Number two, I would predict that if he is acquitted

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<v Speaker 3>by this jury, that he probably already has counsel lined

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<v Speaker 3>up to look at a potential malicious malicious prosecution lawsuit

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<v Speaker 3>into or a civil rights claim.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh, you know, basically saying, look.

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<v Speaker 3>I was prosecuted for political reasons. I really didn't have

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<v Speaker 3>a good faith basis to bring this and the city

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<v Speaker 3>may be in a position to pay out yet another

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<v Speaker 3>multi let about settlement as will impact it's it's a

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<v Speaker 3>budget even Fritter, So is that stated?

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<v Speaker 2>Is that the next is that after this gets I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know if I'll get dismissed, but after this thing

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<v Speaker 2>wraps up, and I think the prediction is pretty good

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<v Speaker 2>that Alex Stravinsky's going to walk, and let's say that

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<v Speaker 2>he does. He then turns around to a malicious prosecution

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<v Speaker 2>case as a civil case against the city and civil

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<v Speaker 2>claim outside of settlement. Though that's pretty ugly. Does that

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<v Speaker 2>implicate the mayor to some degree or at least the administration,

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<v Speaker 2>because typically the mayor will isolate himself and insult himself

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<v Speaker 2>rather with the people like sure along and other underlings

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<v Speaker 2>that'll take the bullet for him, so to speak. But

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<v Speaker 2>does that turn around to be problematic from a civil

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<v Speaker 2>rights violation for the mayor of the City of Cincinnati, going, Hey,

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<v Speaker 2>if it's proven that we were able to influence the

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<v Speaker 2>arrest and prosecution of Alex Stravinsky, then of course that's

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<v Speaker 2>a civil rights violation there. That's a pretty serious charge

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<v Speaker 2>against officers of the City of Cincinnati, the mayor notwithstanding.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I mean, you're absolutely right.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm going to try to walk a fine line here

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<v Speaker 3>because I'm trying to be your legal analyst and not

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<v Speaker 3>a standing critic of the mayor, which i am. This

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<v Speaker 3>is the part where it gets really fun. If there's

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<v Speaker 3>a malicious prosecution claim and it survives the early stages,

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<v Speaker 3>they will have the ability to subpoene the documents and

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<v Speaker 3>take demand documents, pull documents out of the city, and

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<v Speaker 3>they'll have the ability to take depositions. And if, as

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<v Speaker 3>one presumes, the city manager and or the mayor were

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<v Speaker 3>involved in any way shape or forming the decision to

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<v Speaker 3>charge Alex Tremensky, that's going to come out and that

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<v Speaker 3>is inappropriate, I mean by any standard. I mean, they're

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<v Speaker 3>not supposed to be under our charter form of government.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, the police officers are supposed to be able

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<v Speaker 3>to work independently and without political pressure. And if he

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<v Speaker 3>can show that political pressure, that is a real problem.

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<v Speaker 3>Not just in terms of civil liability and monetary damages.

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<v Speaker 3>That's a real problem politically, and it's a real sign

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<v Speaker 3>of just how things may have very well, really broken

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<v Speaker 3>down by this. And you know, it sometimes can be

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<v Speaker 3>a very minor thing like a misdemeanor, this misdemeanor charge.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, there are over I think.

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<v Speaker 3>Ten to fifteen thousand misdemeanors filed every year, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>in Hamilton County. But one of these, this little thing,

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<v Speaker 3>this little time charge, it typically doesn't carry jail time,

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<v Speaker 3>could have huge ramifications down the road if it leads

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<v Speaker 3>to a lawsuit that Chols there was political involvement in

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<v Speaker 3>this decision to charge him, which common sense seems to

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<v Speaker 3>indicate had to be the fact case, because it's very

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<v Speaker 3>rare for a case like this to be charged many

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<v Speaker 3>months after the fact.

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<v Speaker 2>He is attorney Steve Gooden and a former consulman. Thanks

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<v Speaker 2>for jumping on the show this morning. I think the

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<v Speaker 2>short rate here is it probably should this should end

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<v Speaker 2>rather quickly. But then it gets really interesting if Alex

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<v Speaker 2>Schravinsky is axonerator will find out what happens. But the

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<v Speaker 2>trial is set for today. Get some popcorn, baby, Steve,

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<v Speaker 2>all the best.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks again, take care shot. Thanks all right.

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<v Speaker 2>News update here seconds away on the Big One seven

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<v Speaker 2>hundred WLW. I'll get the very latest then we'll return

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<v Speaker 2>here on the show, we jump right in here. This

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<v Speaker 2>is interesting. There's a case now that is coming out

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<v Speaker 2>against Sephora and Benefit. They're cosmetic companies, and that they

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<v Speaker 2>are deliberately to This is on the heels of the metaverdict,

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<v Speaker 2>by the way, targeting children under the age of ten

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<v Speaker 2>to get them to buy makeup. Kids under ten are

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<v Speaker 2>now girls under ten are now using makeup makeup and

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<v Speaker 2>the courts are trying to shut this down. We'll get

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<v Speaker 2>into that next on the show seven hundred WLW.