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Speaker 1: It's night Side with Dan Ray on WBS Costin's Radio.

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Speaker 2: All right, welcome back everyone, and again Brian Shortsleeve was

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Speaker 2: our guests. It's his website is just Brian Shortsleeve dot com.

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Speaker 2: Pretty simple. That's as direct the website as you could

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Speaker 2: possibly have. I enjoyed that hour a lot of different calls,

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Speaker 2: challenging calls, calls that had genuine, genuinely good questions as

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Speaker 2: what Nightside should be should be about I want to

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Speaker 2: venture into the story that broke on Sunday. It's only Tuesday,

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Speaker 2: and by the way, I am off the next three nights.

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Speaker 2: I've worked every every weeknight save one night there was

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Speaker 2: a busy television reunion or October third, So I have

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Speaker 2: basically done September and October and you know about a

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Speaker 2: third of November here, and so I'm got a little

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Speaker 2: So if you want to get a call in to

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Speaker 2: me probably until next Monday night. But I was stunned

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Speaker 2: by this indictment of the two Major League Baseball pitchers

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Speaker 2: from the Cleveland Indians, Emmanuel class A, Dela Cruz and

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Speaker 2: Luis Leandro Ortiz Robera Cruz is a closer, one of

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Speaker 2: the best closers in baseball for the last couple of years.

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Speaker 2: All Star three three seasons, three three year All Star

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Speaker 2: Ortiz had pitched or tees Ribera. But he's his name.

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Speaker 2: His name is, you know, in terms of his uniform,

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Speaker 2: Lewis Ortiz and Emmanuel class A c l A sc

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Speaker 2: This is the problem. And by the way, of course

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Speaker 2: you've seen the the the basketball scandal and all of

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Speaker 2: these athletes. Let me just state very clearly, both as

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Speaker 2: a talk show host and as a member of the bar. Uh,

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Speaker 2: these gentlemen are all innocent until proven guilty. They enjoy

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Speaker 2: the presumption of innocence. However, reading the indictments in New

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Speaker 2: York of the basketball scandal, the basketball not only betting

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Speaker 2: scandal which involved prop bets, will explain that in a moment,

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Speaker 2: most of you know what I'm talking about. They also

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Speaker 2: had the high end poker games. This indictment that came

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Speaker 2: out of New York, out of the Southern District of

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Speaker 2: New York, I believe on Sunday, is a devastating indictment

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Speaker 2: because it again puts two professional athletes who I had forgotten.

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Speaker 2: And again, you know, the Indians had a fairly good season.

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Speaker 2: They were in the playoffs. Briefly, I believe these two

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Speaker 2: guys were suspended. They were put on in definite paid

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Speaker 2: leave by MLB as part of a sports betting investigation.

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Speaker 2: In recent years, the only reason people get put on

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Speaker 2: suspension in either Major League Baseball or minor league baseball

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Speaker 2: is some sort of a drug test would show some

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Speaker 2: what was called clear many years ago, which was another

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Speaker 2: drug which intended to hide steroids. But what it is

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Speaker 2: alleged these pictures were doing and Class A since nineteen

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Speaker 2: ninety three, or tees who had been picked up by

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Speaker 2: the Pirates, last from the Pirates by the Indians, or

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Speaker 2: Tease a starter although he was used occasionally in relief

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Speaker 2: apparently had figured out that you could do prop bets

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Speaker 2: on whether the pitch that would be thrown would be

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Speaker 2: going to leave the game. And here's what a prop

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Speaker 2: bet is. Let me let me explain for those of

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Speaker 2: you who don't know, when you normally think about betting,

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Speaker 2: whether you're talking about betting with a bookie or betting

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Speaker 2: somehow with the legitimate you know, I use the word

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Speaker 2: legitimate websites, you can bet a game. So let's say

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Speaker 2: that Patriots are playing the Buffalo Bills later this year.

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Speaker 2: When Buffalo comes into Jillette. The Patriots very well maybe

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Speaker 2: let's assume the Patriots are three point favorite. Well, if

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Speaker 2: you want to bet the Patriots to win, they have

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Speaker 2: the spread will be three and a half. We'll use

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Speaker 2: point favorite. That means they have to win by three points.

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Speaker 2: If they win the game by less than two and

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Speaker 2: your bet. If you bet the Patriots. If you bet

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Speaker 2: lose by two or they lose by one, then they

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Speaker 2: most people get that. A prop bet are the bets

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Speaker 2: For the Lions against the Commanders weekend when Detroit played

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Speaker 2: the Commanders, Detroit won like forty four to twenty, and

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Speaker 2: let's say the line was two hundred and eighty yards

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Speaker 2: for Jared Goff, the quarterback for the Lions, once they

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Speaker 2: He's got two hundred and seventy six yards or whatever.

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Speaker 2: It was very close, but that prop bet lost. So

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Speaker 2: prop bets, you know, it makes it interesting, but it

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Speaker 2: also is dangerous. So in baseball, if you've watched any

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Speaker 2: bet here and a piss's gonna be a ball or strike.

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Speaker 2: I got my bet in Look at that, I said,

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Speaker 2: I said strike, you got a strike. I won to bet.

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Speaker 2: That's nuts, that's nuts. I mean, that's like betting on

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Speaker 2: who's gonna who's gonna They used to joke about who's

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Speaker 2: And if you why would you be betting, Why would

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Speaker 2: you've never thrown a pitch from sixty feet six inches,

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Speaker 2: and I have, it's it's a challenge, okay. You know,

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Speaker 2: major league pitchers pretty much can put most accomplished major

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Speaker 2: the control, they have the command. That's what makes major

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Speaker 2: league pitchers. So pitchers always want to get ahead of

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Speaker 2: where's this pitch gonna be. It's gonna be a fastball,

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Speaker 2: They do what you call guest hitting, so they can

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Speaker 2: these guys allegedly Class and Ortiz, they're charged with wire fraud, conspiracy,

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Speaker 2: So here's the deal. They would make a deal with

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Speaker 2: Long as he gets out of the first inning, you're

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Speaker 2: gonna have a winning bet. There were apparently about a

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Speaker 2: he convinced Ortiz, who was a relief pitcher, not a star,

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Speaker 2: do the same thing. And money was made. So who

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Speaker 2: lost the money? Well? What the What the sports betting

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Speaker 2: They just want to balance the bets. If there's one

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Speaker 2: win one hundred, and that's called the vig So the

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Speaker 2: I think that Rob Manfred has some answer some questions

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Speaker 2: what I think. Now, maybe you could argue some prop

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Speaker 2: You have players who might bet themselves. Betting will be

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Speaker 2: the end of professional sports in America if it's not

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Speaker 2: be an example set. These guys make a lot of money.

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Speaker 2: They did not need the extra cash. I've gone way

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Speaker 2: I want to hear your point of view. If you're

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Speaker 2: how surprised are you? How concerned are you? We learned

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Speaker 2: are the agents the agents who represent these guys. Are

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Speaker 2: they spending time with these players and say, hey, look,

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Speaker 2: this is a no no, you can't do this. You

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Speaker 2: can't do steroids. Okay, I know you want to turn

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Speaker 2: in gambling. Six one, seven through five, four, ten, thirty, six, seven, ninety.

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Speaker 2: I want to talk about this until eleven o'clock and

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Speaker 2: then eleven o'clock I want to do give you an

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Speaker 2: opportunity to salute a veteran. It is veterans say. It

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Speaker 2: is Rememberance Day in Canada, the equivalent holidays in both countries.

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Speaker 2: guess what. It's going to get more interest in the game.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Bob is held over from last hour. Let's see

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Speaker 3: So I have to talk about the gambling and baseball.

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Speaker 2: Well, you've hung on, and you've known that I've been

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Speaker 3: That you I've been waiting fifty five minutes to talk

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Speaker 2: Unfortunately, Bob, we've changed topics. I'm glad you held on.

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Speaker 3: Talk about baseball. Is the Red Sox stink?

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Speaker 3: And the Celtics are gonna lose.

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Speaker 2: go to Joe and Bell behind Joe, how are you, sir?

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Speaker 4: Good? Dud good Dan, you know this strikes. This goes

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Speaker 2: Well here's the deal. Those guys were probably betting a

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Speaker 2: a fixed, Bob Joe. This is fixed. These pitchers had

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Speaker 2: very serious. These guys have been indicted. They deserve and

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Speaker 4: Man, Could I tell you about a gambling problem I had.

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm sorry to hear that, but go right ahead.

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Speaker 4: Yes, when I was stationed in Las Vegas in the

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Speaker 2: Yep, I ask what years were you in the Air Force?

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Speaker 2: If I could ask, Joe.

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Speaker 4: Sixty five to sixty nine.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so you were betting on the time when guys

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Speaker 2: Anybody who's winning doesn't think they have a gambling problem,

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Speaker 4: But you know what I came to reality. You know

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Speaker 2: No, why did you quit?

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Speaker 4: Because of the upset you couldn't win?

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I'm fig you know the the in those

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Speaker 2: You you had the football cards that the mafia were circulating, right, No.

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Speaker 4: This was illegal. They had a book joints where you

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Speaker 2: Did you ever win? I mean you must have won

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Speaker 4: I did. I would win fifty bucks on five dollars

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Speaker 4: Simply do you remember the syndicated column in the newspapers

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Speaker 2: I don't remember that specifically.

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Speaker 2: And you had to pick three out of three. And

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Speaker 2: I'm glad you got rid of that problem. Thank you much,

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Speaker 4: That was a pleasure.

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Speaker 2: Dan right back at you, Joe, thank you very much.

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Speaker 2: You never get to play from me. Thanks Joe, touches much.

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Speaker 2: Good night. Six one seven, two, five, four ten thirty

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Speaker 1: It's Night Side with Dan Ray, Boston's news radio.

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Speaker 2: All right, I am so glad Melissa and Oregon was

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Speaker 2: How are you good?

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Speaker 5: How are you tonight?

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Speaker 2: I'm so happy to hear your voice tonight, Melissa.

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Speaker 5: So I have a different take almost sure. I actually

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Speaker 5: And it's kind of like the Hall of Fame, which

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Speaker 2: Well, I think what you're saying. I think what you're

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I want to put it in religious terms here,

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Speaker 2: but you can't fix prop bets. Prop bets are easy

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: No, I definitely think that there's you know, they've got

435
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Speaker 5: some work to do there. And I think the other

436
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Speaker 5: part of it too is that you know, well, if

437
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Speaker 5: you look at some of the players that have been targeted,

438
00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:56,320
Speaker 5: people talk about, well, I was making seven hundred k

439
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Speaker 5: or X number a million's of dollars. A lot of

440
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Speaker 5: these players are come from a different economic social background. Sure,

441
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Speaker 5: so therefore they may be supporting different family members, they

442
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Speaker 5: may be their finances, they may be supporting you know, ten, fifteen,

443
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Speaker 5: twenty people. Right, so this is an education about their

444
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Speaker 5: finances as well. And you know, I think sometimes we

445
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Speaker 5: forget about that, right, But.

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Speaker 2: Once you make but Melissa, I agree with you, Okay,

447
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Speaker 2: I agree with you. If some kid comes out of

448
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Speaker 2: an upper middle class family and plays at Arizona State

449
00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:36,920
Speaker 2: and signs a bonus because he's the first round draft

450
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Speaker 2: choice at twenty two, he's in a whole different situation

451
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Speaker 2: than some kid who signs out at the Dominican at

452
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Speaker 2: the age of fourteen exactly. Okay, I'm with you totally.

453
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Speaker 2: But the problem is that that kid now and in

454
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Speaker 2: class A situation. I don't know what he was making.

455
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Speaker 2: He had to be making he was three time All Star,

456
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Speaker 2: had to be making six or seven millionaires are closer

457
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Speaker 2: for the Indians. He's not going to be making that

458
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Speaker 2: money if he gets convicted here he's to be and

459
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Speaker 2: and the people he's supporting are going to have big problems.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and so where is the people around him?

461
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Speaker 2: Well, where are the agents? Where are the agents? I

462
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Speaker 2: doubt As as as an attorney, I've represented NHL players,

463
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Speaker 2: as I've told you, and I talked to them about

464
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Speaker 2: a lot of this stuff, and you almost have to

465
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Speaker 2: talk to them like they're your your sibling. Do you

466
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Speaker 2: have their older brother? Uh? And you got to say, hey, look,

467
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Speaker 2: you know, and this stuff wasn't around when I was

468
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Speaker 2: doing that. I mean, it's the prop bets. I'll be

469
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Speaker 2: really surprised if you don't agree with me. Let's get

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Speaker 2: rid of all this year.

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Speaker 5: You know, prop bets, I agree completely, and I you know,

472
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Speaker 5: I hope major You know, I'd love to see this

473
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Speaker 5: is an opportunity for Major League Baseball to be kind

474
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Speaker 5: of a leader in this area and just say, hey,

475
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Speaker 5: we're done with those you know, we're not going to

476
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Speaker 5: participate with these apps. If and get and just get rid.

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Speaker 2: Of those, well that's that might be a step too far.

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Speaker 2: But the prop again, just remember what Barkley said, what

479
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Speaker 2: Charles Charles Barkley said, you can't fix a basketball game,

480
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Speaker 2: and I agree with him. I really believe that. I mean,

481
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Speaker 2: you have to know who's got the ball with two

482
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Speaker 2: seconds left to go and it's taking that three point shot,

483
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Speaker 2: and does he miss it intentionally? I guess theoretically you could,

484
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Speaker 2: but it's it's so difficult to fix a game by

485
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Speaker 2: the prop bet easy easy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: And then there's another component to those in that is,

488
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Speaker 5: like I said earlier, you know, where are the leagues

489
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Speaker 5: when it comes to sitting down and when they're when

490
00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:43,960
Speaker 5: they're dancing with the devil? Well, what can they say,

491
00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:46,200
Speaker 5: you know, speaking up and saying we're not going to

492
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Speaker 5: tell we don't want this. You know, there's such powerful organizations,

493
00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:57,960
Speaker 5: and yet they didn't think that they would need to

494
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Speaker 5: use their power and say look, we're not. We don't

495
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Speaker 5: be a part of this.

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Speaker 2: Have you have you read the indictment out of New

497
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Speaker 2: York on these two Indian pictures?

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Speaker 6: You know, I have not.

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Speaker 2: It's a devastating it. It's a twenty three page indictment.

500
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Speaker 2: They have it almost down to the minute when the

501
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Speaker 2: course they have you know better one better too, So

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Speaker 2: they have obviously turned some people. Uh and they got

503
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Speaker 2: the this is this is a devastating indictment. I mean

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Speaker 2: it's there's they have literally when the bank when money

505
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Speaker 2: was withdrawn, when money was was sent, I mean, the

506
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Speaker 2: FBI did it, did a lot.

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Speaker 5: Everything so electronic. You know, we've got the situation with

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Speaker 5: Chauncy Billips are in Portland. I mean it's you know,

509
00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:51,520
Speaker 5: and a lot of people have said, well because they're competitive,

510
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Speaker 5: I don't know what it is, and I know, I

511
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:57,920
Speaker 5: know we have here in Oregon. We have you can

512
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Speaker 5: walk into any bar and they're there are a maximum

513
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Speaker 5: of six machines where you can gamble, you know, just

514
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Speaker 5: like you're going to a spot machine.

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Speaker 2: Yep.

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Speaker 5: And so gambling is quite huge here and it's cross

517
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Speaker 5: the US. It's not just Vegas in Atlantic City anymore.

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Speaker 2: More. Thought anymore. Melissa, thanks so much for calling in

519
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Speaker 2: all the way from tonight.

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Speaker 5: You decided to tackle this. And you know what bums

521
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Speaker 5: me out, is it if it takes away from the

522
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Speaker 5: great on the field stuff. You know, we had a

523
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Speaker 5: wonderful World Series there, you know, you know, a Tawny,

524
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Speaker 5: all these great things that are happening in the sport,

525
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Speaker 5: and then we have this to take away from it.

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Speaker 2: But listen, let me let me ask you a real

527
00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:44,600
Speaker 2: quick question. Okay, and I'm passing my break here, so

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Speaker 2: I got to be real quick. I did not realize

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Speaker 2: and I follow it pretty closely. The class A and

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Speaker 2: Ortiz had been suspended on July twenty eighth, July.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and I think they held that back. I think

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Speaker 5: this is just my take. I don't know me insight,

533
00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:06,160
Speaker 5: but this is serious stuff, right, and so they I

534
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:09,280
Speaker 5: think both the FBI and the league and the team

535
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Speaker 5: wanted to manage that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, what you're saying is they held it till

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Speaker 2: after the World Series. And you know what, in deference

538
00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:18,960
Speaker 2: to the players, to the Dodgers and the Blue Jays

539
00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:21,080
Speaker 2: was a great World Series. They did the right thing.

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Speaker 2: I'm not sure they found class or tease apparently was

541
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Speaker 2: living in Boston, which I think he's a kid from

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Speaker 2: the Dominican. We have a big Dominican population in Boston.

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Speaker 2: Maybe he has family in Boston. He got arrested at

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Speaker 2: Logan Airport. I don't thinks is in custody yet. So yeah,

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Speaker 2: this is tough, tough stuff.

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Speaker 5: It's bad and the NBA situation is bad. And the

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Speaker 5: sad part is you know it won't be a story

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Speaker 5: next week.

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Speaker 2: Oh well yeah, I don't know. I think who knows.

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00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:53,720
Speaker 2: There may be more stuff too. By the way, once

551
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:56,240
Speaker 2: one person is trapped, then they may say, hey, I

552
00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:58,600
Speaker 2: got somebody else on another team. Who knows where it

553
00:30:58,640 --> 00:30:59,000
Speaker 2: might go.

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Speaker 7: Thanks Melissa for checking it out.

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Speaker 5: Take care, good night, Thanks so much.

556
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Speaker 2: Good night. Back on Nightside right after this, I got

557
00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:08,520
Speaker 2: Geo and Reading and John and Rock Pop. We're gonna

558
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Speaker 2: get him both in gentlemen, coming back.

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Speaker 1: You're on Night Side with Dan Ray. I'm w Z

560
00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:16,080
Speaker 1: Boston's news radio.

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Speaker 2: So we're talking about two professional baseball players, two pitchers

562
00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:24,480
Speaker 2: for the Cleveland Guardians, Emmanuel Class and Louis Ortiz, under

563
00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:30,000
Speaker 2: indictment for fraud, wire fraud conspiracy, honor services, wire fraud conspiracy,

564
00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:33,760
Speaker 2: conspiracy to influenced sporting contest by bribery and money laundering.

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00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:36,280
Speaker 2: Let me go to Geo and reading. Geo, I got

566
00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:38,360
Speaker 2: about three minutes for you, in about three for John.

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00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:39,960
Speaker 2: Go right ahead, Geo. I want to hear what you

568
00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:40,440
Speaker 2: have to say.

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Speaker 7: The word sport is misunderstood. It does not mean an

570
00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:50,160
Speaker 7: athletic competition. The word sport involves at least three people,

571
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:52,480
Speaker 7: two of which are involved in a con job. The

572
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Speaker 7: people at the table knew about it because they were

573
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Speaker 7: involved in the con. Baseball has been what what table invented?

574
00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:05,560
Speaker 7: Invented during the Civil War? He master to get the

575
00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:07,080
Speaker 7: slips back back.

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00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:11,440
Speaker 2: Again, GEO question ringer, Hello, Geo, Yes, go ahead. You

577
00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:14,840
Speaker 2: said there were three people at the table. Are you

578
00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:19,080
Speaker 2: talking about gamble gambling at a casino? I'm confused when

579
00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:20,920
Speaker 2: you said three people at the table.

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Speaker 7: Three three take out the word table. Three people are involved. However,

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Speaker 7: the reason Plow my call was that you have misrepresented

582
00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:33,040
Speaker 7: the Rainy Day Fund. The governor has no control over

583
00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:35,320
Speaker 7: the Rainy Day Fund, and you've been saying she has

584
00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:39,200
Speaker 7: for a month. Only the legislature could spend, could take

585
00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:40,720
Speaker 7: money out of the Rainy Day Fund.

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Speaker 2: Governor has governor in Massachusetts, Geo, as you know, has trumen.

587
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:46,120
Speaker 2: And by the way, we're not talking about the Rainy

588
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:50,960
Speaker 2: Day Fund. Governor has tremendous influence in the Rainy Day

589
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:52,640
Speaker 2: Fund and in the legislature.

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Speaker 7: Legislature only the LEGISLA.

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Speaker 2: All right, Geo, Dan, thanks very much for taking us

592
00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:01,200
Speaker 2: off topic, but we're going to stay on topic. Thanks

593
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:03,200
Speaker 2: to you. Appreciate your call. Let me go to John

594
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:05,680
Speaker 2: and Rockport. Hey, John, next on Nightside, How are you.

595
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Speaker 6: Hi, Dan? Thanks to Zaga, might call baseball right anyhow,

596
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:14,840
Speaker 6: Louis tian Elciante would wind up. I'll be sitting at

597
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:18,520
Speaker 6: first base, his head would go to right field. Then

598
00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:24,640
Speaker 6: had delivered the pitch. I met pol Canero, Joe Namath,

599
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:27,880
Speaker 6: and Derek Sandison at Bachelor's three and Ken Moll square.

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Speaker 2: What guys, Yeah, that's that's quite a trifecta. What do

601
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:35,160
Speaker 2: you think about this baseball scandal with these Guardian pitchers

602
00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:40,200
Speaker 2: Cleveland Guardian pitchers who were able to notify their friends

603
00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:42,000
Speaker 2: as to what were they going to throw a ball

604
00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:44,480
Speaker 2: or a strike as the first pitcher in the inning

605
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Speaker 2: that they came in. Uh, and there was a lot

606
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Speaker 2: of money thrown around and I think maybe if if

607
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:53,920
Speaker 2: it's true, Uh, the careers of two young players could

608
00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:56,200
Speaker 2: be could be over and they could see some jail time.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and they might anyhow, I don't even want to

610
00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:03,440
Speaker 6: think about that. But baseball, right, I have my little

611
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:04,120
Speaker 6: league hat I.

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00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:09,920
Speaker 2: Was Okay, okay, yea jeg jeorg. I appreciate that. But

613
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:12,720
Speaker 2: but that's not what we're talking about tonight, John. We're talking.

614
00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:17,000
Speaker 2: We're talking about a huge, important scandal. I want to

615
00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:19,879
Speaker 2: talk about your little league career the next time we talk,

616
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:21,920
Speaker 2: but not tonight. Okay, thanks, Man.

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Speaker 6: Is one thing I want to say this the veterans, right,

618
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Speaker 6: the reason we're free is bird because of the veterans.

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Speaker 2: Couldn't agree with you or on that. That's that's the

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Speaker 2: best thing you've said tonight. And we're going to have

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Speaker 2: a veterans salute next hour. Thanks John, appreciate it very much. Okay,

622
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:44,719
Speaker 2: we go in a lot of different directions here on

623
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Speaker 2: night side. And uh to Geo's comment about the governor.

624
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Speaker 2: The governor, the state Senate president, and the Speaker of

625
00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:56,360
Speaker 2: the House, they are the three powers that do and

626
00:34:56,560 --> 00:35:01,239
Speaker 2: rule everything everything at the legislature, and the governor had

627
00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:04,239
Speaker 2: the ability to convene a meeting with the Speaker and

628
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:07,880
Speaker 2: with the Legislature and say we need to use some

629
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Speaker 2: of the money from the Rainy Day Fund to help

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00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:13,520
Speaker 2: out poor people here who are in limbo as the

631
00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:15,640
Speaker 2: whether or not they're going to get their snap benefits.

632
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:19,120
Speaker 2: And the governor is the most powerful political figure in

633
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Speaker 2: the state. Whoever that governor is GEO, whether it's Charlie

634
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:29,520
Speaker 2: Baker or Brian short Sleeve or Mora Handling or Moa Heally.

635
00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:35,000
Speaker 2: And it's as simple as that. And the buck stops here.

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00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:37,719
Speaker 2: It stops at the president's desk, and it stops at

637
00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:41,360
Speaker 2: the governor's desk. And Harry Truman had it right. Okay,

638
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:43,520
Speaker 2: we are going to do a salute to veterans. I

639
00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:46,560
Speaker 2: would love to hear from you. Any veteran in your family,

640
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:49,279
Speaker 2: any veteran who you're a friend, someone who you work with,

641
00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:52,120
Speaker 2: you can do a shout out and wish them hope

642
00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:55,080
Speaker 2: that they've had a happy Veterans Day. I've got one

643
00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:58,640
Speaker 2: hour broadcasting. I'm off for Tomorrow night, Thursday night, and

644
00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:01,799
Speaker 2: Friday night, but I'd like to spend a really good

645
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:04,160
Speaker 2: hour and talk to as many of you as possible

646
00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:09,680
Speaker 2: and highlight the service of veterans here across the country,

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Speaker 2: Wherever you are tonight six one, seven, two, five four

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Speaker 2: ten thirty six one seven nine three one ten thirty