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Speaker 1: This is your weather terror raised to a whole new level.

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Speaker 1: Central Standard time, we welcome you back to a MIDWEK

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Speaker 1: edition of the Bumper to Bumper Program. Gonna be a

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Speaker 1: very fast moving show today. Thank god we have three

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Speaker 1: GUARDSI I think we'll be back on the show tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: My name is Dan Barrero, former instant Retch newspaper of

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Speaker 1: the Twin Cities. We are delighted that you are here

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Speaker 1: for I think should be a very fast moving, controversial

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Speaker 1: have different philosophies on that. Many have left, they've gone

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Speaker 1: to Blue Ski. Now, some people who went to Blue

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Speaker 1: They're back because nothing was happening on Blue Ski. So

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Speaker 1: in any case, but to teach their own everybody gets

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Speaker 1: to make their own choices on what form of social

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Speaker 1: media they are sadly addicted to. Because we're so fast moving,

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Speaker 1: and we have a guest or first guest at three

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Speaker 1: point fifteen, let me get right to it, and I

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Speaker 1: don't know that we're going to need to spend a

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Speaker 1: lot of time on it. A number of people have

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Speaker 1: brought this to my attention. They seem to know me,

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Speaker 1: they seem to have a good understanding of what might

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Speaker 1: motivate me, what might inspire me. Now I had also

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Speaker 1: heard via other sources I guess about this particular elevated

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Speaker 1: form of weather terror that I must tell you. That's

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Speaker 1: where if we've learned anything about the weather terrorists, it's

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Speaker 1: that we can never count them out. We can never

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Speaker 1: underestimate their ability to create categories that we didn't know

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Speaker 1: really existed. And in this case, it's apparently the likelihood

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Speaker 1: that at least three Upper Midwestern states, including Iowa, South Dakota,

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Speaker 1: and Minnesota, all are in the danger zone when it

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Speaker 1: comes to exploding trees. The exploding tree phenomenon, which I'm

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Speaker 1: told in places in parts of Michigan can be true

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Speaker 1: to an extent, is about to hit Minnesota as temperature's

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Speaker 1: plummet to What are we supposed to get down to

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Speaker 1: next night? I think it's like minus fifteen minus eighteen,

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Speaker 1: I don't know, but very severe cold even by our standards.

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Speaker 1: And here's my first question. What is if you happen

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Speaker 1: to be near a tree that is showing signs of exploding,

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Speaker 2: Will there be any noises that will be.

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Speaker 1: Clues to the fact that there's another tree about to explode?

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Speaker 1: Is there any way to properly prepare us for this

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Speaker 1: latest devastation, weather terror devastation that has gotten a lot

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Speaker 1: of attention in the Twin Cities over the last I

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Speaker 1: think well eight maybe to twelve hours. I saw a

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Speaker 1: quote from your guy Savan former a Caro Leven weather guy,

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Speaker 1: among all the other things we have to worry about

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Speaker 1: dangerous wind chills, right, pipes that freeze more ice, like

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Speaker 1: for like a week. We have now something new that

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Speaker 1: I can honestly say that until the last twelve hours,

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Speaker 2: Did you not once like just come by? Or that's

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Speaker 2: a good question. I don't know. That's what it does?

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Speaker 2: It explode out.

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Speaker 1: In other words, could a piece of the tree end

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Speaker 2: I'm not sure what the answer to that. Is there

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Speaker 1: Right? Yeah, exactly, it's it's too good. People who get

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Speaker 1: better part of the last thirty years, they say, oh,

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Speaker 1: Why do you make such a big deal about this stuff.

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Speaker 1: I'm not making it up. I'm minding my own business,

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Speaker 1: away from an exploding tree in your neighborhood. Now, if

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Speaker 1: to eat my words. I'll apologize one hundred thousand while radio.

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Speaker 1: of texts that have come in. There is no warning.

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Speaker 1: Trees just go bang. It's freaky. I remember deer hunting

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Speaker 1: But I'd say to that texter, so when it exploded,

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Speaker 1: the noise that jarred you? Was there any were you

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Speaker 1: Exploding tree survivor maybe there's a maybe there is an

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Speaker 1: online you know, website or an organization exploding tree Survivors.

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Speaker 2: I don't know. Yes, it's possible.

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Speaker 1: M where else are we here? Nice try People don't

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Speaker 2: Do they dan, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Between exploding trees and corn to make the humidity higher,

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Speaker 1: like corn sweat, what else is there going to be?

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Speaker 1: The grass is going to be lava everywhere you step

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Speaker 1: heated get grass. I don't even know what that means.

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Speaker 1: That might have been one of those dictated texts. But

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Speaker 1: he brings up corn sweat. That was another one. I

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Speaker 1: I don't think any of us were Many of us

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Speaker 3: I think I'm willing to go out and live and

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Speaker 3: say I would rather deal with the corn sweat.

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Speaker 2: M it's a bold take.

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Speaker 3: But instead of exploding trees that may take out a

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Speaker 3: power line, Yeah, I'll take the corn sweat.

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Speaker 2: I think I would too. Are they related? Think about it?

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Speaker 2: Could the corn.

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Speaker 1: Sweat do something to the tree that makes it more

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Speaker 1: likely that in the depths of winter it will explode?

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Speaker 1: Does one thing have anything to do with the other?

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Speaker 1: There is no warning. Trees just go bang. It's freaky. Oh,

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Speaker 1: I think that's the one I just read. Apparently there's

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Speaker 1: there's it would you know that noise I guess out

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Speaker 1: I lived in northern Minnesota for nine years. Temperatures go

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Speaker 1: seen an exploding tree. This is a brew past. The

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Speaker 1: bark could essentially flash, freeze and shrink, and underneath doesn't

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Speaker 2: You might hear it.

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Speaker 1: But they're not going to explode to smithereens and throw

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Speaker 1: splinters all over. But obviously, if you're a weather terrace,

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Speaker 1: you use that word deliberately. Right, explosion an exploding tree.

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Speaker 1: That sounds dangerous, correct? A bomb cyclone sounds dangerous, A

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Speaker 1: bomb a bomb, right, It's all part of the bit.

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Speaker 1: I just wish, which I sho I should say wish

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Speaker 1: the weather terrorists who are capable of that, we just

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Speaker 1: don't up to it, just be more honest about it,

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Speaker 1: and maybe we could all, you know, get along and

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Speaker 1: get on with the rest of our lives as well.

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Speaker 1: Let's get our first break in. We're not gonna talk

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Speaker 1: exploding trees with our next guest. We're gonna talk about

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Speaker 1: a lot more serious subjects that he's been covering today

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Speaker 1: and yesterday as well. Kind of a round up on

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Speaker 1: a number of different local subjects with Carol Leven intrepid

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Speaker 1: To cover a lot of ground in a relatively short

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Speaker 1: It's Caro Levin, reporter Lou Ragoose kind of enough to

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Speaker 1: we start and thank you again for the time. I

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Speaker 1: know you've been extremely busy the last few days especially,

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Speaker 4: Thanks so much for having me on Dan Today. I've

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Speaker 4: been in the federal courthouse for most of the day

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Speaker 4: where some of the people arrested by Ice have had hearings,

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Speaker 4: And probably the most interesting one to me is the

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Speaker 4: man who was shot in the leg by the ICE

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Speaker 4: agent midweek last week, because that was the case that

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Speaker 4: then led to the unrest in North Minneapolis after the shooting.

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Speaker 4: It was determined today that the man will stand trial

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Speaker 4: for assault.

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Speaker 2: On an officer.

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Speaker 4: But within the details and all the testimony today, there

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Speaker 1: Do we know and the condition of the individual who

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it was a minor wound, gotch and so he

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Speaker 4: was fine. He was taken back to the jail from

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Speaker 4: the hostel, you know, very quickly after it happened. But

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Speaker 4: you know, initially what Homeland Security said was this was

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Speaker 4: an ambush and an attempted murder on the agent, and

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Speaker 4: it was a targeted operation that we were doing to

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Speaker 4: arrest this person. And none of those things have turned

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Speaker 4: out to be true. It does appear that there was

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Speaker 4: a struggle between two different guys here and an ice officer,

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Speaker 4: but they weren't. It wasn't even the person that they

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Speaker 4: thought that they were chasing after in the first place.

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Speaker 4: And I think, who knows if we'll ever see the

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Speaker 4: end of it, but the use of force investigation and

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Speaker 4: whether it was a justified shot or not, there's a

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Speaker 4: lot of question marks there.

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Speaker 2: The you know, you, I think, like to live and

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Speaker 1: I guess the area of precision, right, That's what you

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Speaker 1: look for, That's what you try to do when you're

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Speaker 1: reporting stuff. And I think it's fair to say that

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Speaker 1: when it comes to you know, how these stories are

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Speaker 1: presented I'm talking about by authorities, there has not been

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Speaker 1: and this is part of the problem, right, There has

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Speaker 1: not been a whole lot of precision.

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Speaker 2: There has been a whole lot of contradiction.

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Speaker 4: You're exactly right. And part of the frustration for me

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Speaker 4: and people like me who you know, like the precision

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Speaker 4: the answers on a lot of this stuff, and things

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Speaker 4: may move on this one last thing on this case,

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Speaker 4: in particular, the judge, you know, decided that there's enough

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Speaker 4: This is one of the most remarkable press conferences that

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Speaker 1: So how is this How can anybody with a straight

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Speaker 4: And just so people understand what targeted means. That means, like,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and there are several, right, it's not like there's

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Speaker 4: Back to the Chief Brewley for a second, he was

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Speaker 1: So again, this is remember who's giving this press conference.

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Speaker 4: Correct, correct, And he gave that example. The Saint Paul

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Speaker 1: All Right, I'm going to read you a text that

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Speaker 2: Here's what he writes.

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Speaker 1: So, an off duty police officer gets pulled over and

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Speaker 2: Where is her badge? Why? Hold on? This text are

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Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, here we go. Why doesn't she hand

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Speaker 4: Well, the thing is, this is America, and if you

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Speaker 1: You know, the same guy as you know, fired back is,

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Speaker 1: In fact, part of the reason she can't document it

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Speaker 2: What's the upside in doing that? I guess I don't

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Speaker 4: It was something that these departments got together because they

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Speaker 1: Have you had a chance yet to talk with Joe Thompson.

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Speaker 2: And what do you believe based on your reporting happened.

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Speaker 1: You know, one of the I think huge parts of

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Speaker 4: Right, And so their resignations, of course, you know, would

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Speaker 1: Lastly, lou tried to cover a lot of ground in

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Speaker 4: Well, this week subpoenas were issued, and what that means

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Speaker 4: are not being called to testify themselves because they are

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Speaker 4: the subject. You don't get called to testify at your

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Speaker 4: own grand jury if they're trying to charge you with

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Speaker 4: a crime. It remains to be seen if they will

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Speaker 4: charge anything, because they're not close to that yet. But

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Speaker 4: this is the stage where they start gathering the evidence

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Speaker 4: and they legally force the offices to provide the documents.

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Speaker 2: In the communication, I really appreciate the time.

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Speaker 1: We'll be in touch and thanks again, thank you so

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Speaker 1: much for giving us as much time that I know

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Speaker 1: you're busy.

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Speaker 2: Thanks Lou anytime. Appreciate you. Lu Rigos Caro Levin reporter.

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Speaker 1: We'll get him back again soon because there's obviously there

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Speaker 1: are tentacles to all these stories, and he's as good

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Speaker 1: as anybody in reporting on them and reacting to them.

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Speaker 1: And it is instructive via the bratche on Brian kafe

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Speaker 1: In text line that a reporter who as long as

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Speaker 1: he was covering and following the feeding our future scandals

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Speaker 1: and stories. Was lauded as a guy who just patiently

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Speaker 1: and fearlessly followed the stories, pointed out contradictions that even

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Speaker 1: might have come from the governor's administration.

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Speaker 2: Then he was our guy.

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Speaker 1: Now he's following a different kind of story that you

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Speaker 1: might have your feelings heard about if you're on one

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Speaker 2: And now it's who is this guy? What's he trying

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Speaker 2: to do? Why is he editorializing?

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Speaker 1: It's it's a fascinating illumination of why we're in the pickle.

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Speaker 1: Playoffs continue this weekend NFC and AFC title games. They

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Speaker 1: do not include the Minnesota Vikings. They do not include

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Speaker 1: Brett Blake Morris Green Bay Packers. They no longer include

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Speaker 1: my Monsters of the Midway the Chicago Bears after a

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Speaker 1: very eventful yes and ultimately for Chicago crushing loss in overtime.

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Speaker 1: Kevin Seffert is in studio to talk about all of

479
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Speaker 1: that and some vikings intel as well. How much of

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00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:10,520
Speaker 1: you thought about or heard people talk about disappointment in

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Speaker 1: Ben Johnson not staying true to what he's supposed to be,

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Speaker 1: which is, we get a lay touchdown with fifteen seconds

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Speaker 1: to go, bleep it, we're gonna win or lose the

484
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Speaker 1: game right now by going for two.

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Speaker 5: Well, they had I'm trying to remember the exact inquence.

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Speaker 5: They had had many close in opportunities.

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Speaker 1: They had against against Blakemore's club, right yeah, yeah, among them.

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Speaker 5: And like, I didn't feel like they were And he

489
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Speaker 5: said this afterwards, and I had to agree with it.

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Speaker 5: They in the in the short yardage situations they were

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Speaker 5: in and the goal line situations they had been in,

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Speaker 5: they had not really done that well. And so I

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Speaker 5: don't I think that they're they're whatever whatever reason, their

494
00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:56,919
Speaker 5: matchups in those in those goal line plays were not

495
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Speaker 5: very good and the they had probably used most of

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Speaker 5: their two point plays anyway to try to score touchdowns

497
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Speaker 5: on those plays, so I you know, there was there

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Speaker 5: was definitely a sense of like that would be a

499
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Speaker 5: great place to just you know, close it out right there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: But I remember thinking watching the game, like, I'm not

502
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Speaker 5: objecting to this because it feels as though they have

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Speaker 5: not really they have not won many of the matchups

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Speaker 5: on these short yard of situation.

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Speaker 1: Well and frankly, the overtime played out perfectly for them, right,

506
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Speaker 1: you can win the toss, give the Rams that the

507
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Speaker 1: ball stop them, you're driving down the field. Now, let

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Speaker 1: me ask you one other thing about the interception that

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Speaker 1: you know led to the Rams then driving for the

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Speaker 1: field goal. I look, I mean there's two ways to

511
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Speaker 1: look at that play. Receiver screwed up, quarterback is too greedy.

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Speaker 1: On the other hand, you could say, well, that's that's Caleb.

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Speaker 1: I mean, he's the only reason you're here is he's

514
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Speaker 1: going to do some stuff that might be dangerous, but

515
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Speaker 1: ultimately he has the athleticism.

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Speaker 2: To do it.

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Speaker 1: It came off to me like that's a play you

518
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Speaker 1: might be willing to try if you're if you're literally losing,

519
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Speaker 1: and it's we got to try something. To me, when

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Speaker 1: you're it's a tie game and all you need is three.

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Speaker 1: It did feel a little bit on the reckless side.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, there's a fine line between attacking and reckless,

523
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Speaker 5: and it was reckless only to me in the sense

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Speaker 5: that he couldn't have There wasn't the connection between him

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Speaker 5: and more that there needed to be. And maybe he

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Speaker 5: didn't realize that. Maybe he thought, uh, the receiver was

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Speaker 5: going to do exactly what he thought he should be doing.

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Speaker 5: That most of the the x's and o is all

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Speaker 5: twenty two guys who look at that play say, if

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Speaker 5: the receiver had gone where it appeared, he was supposed

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Speaker 5: to where it appeared, and based on where the throw went, Yeah,

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Speaker 5: that that's a big play. And you're in you're in

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Speaker 5: field goal range and maybe you won the game right there,

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Speaker 5: and you're talking about I think they were the Rams

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Speaker 5: defense that probably played almost like eighty plays at that point,

536
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Speaker 5: and you know, it had been a long game, and

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Speaker 5: it's okay to think you might have a good opportunity

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Speaker 5: to attack and get down there and not necessarily have

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Speaker 5: to because the offense is obviously played eighty almost eighty

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Speaker 5: plays as well, And so if you can get a

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Speaker 5: chunk of yardage and everybody is on the same page,

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Speaker 5: then yes you should. And the mistake, to the extent

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Speaker 5: there was a mistake is that they weren't on as

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Speaker 5: much of the same page as they probably thought they were.

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Speaker 2: Kevin Seaffert in studio.

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Speaker 1: If you have vikings and or NFL questions or observations,

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Speaker 1: hit the Bradshawn Bryant k FA and text line That

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Speaker 1: number is six four six eight six your latest intel

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Speaker 1: on the future of Brian Flores.

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Speaker 5: You know, he's had interviews in person with both the

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Speaker 5: Ravens and the Steelers and has had one defensive coordinator

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Speaker 5: interview that we know.

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Speaker 2: Of with Washington. So he did interview with them.

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Speaker 5: Oh yeah, yeah, he was in the building standing, yeah,

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Speaker 5: And so that that was I want to say that

556
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Speaker 5: was either the very beginning of this week or the

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Speaker 5: end of last week. So it's been a few days,

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Speaker 5: so to the extent that everybody thought it was a

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Speaker 5: slam dunk that he was returning. If he doesn't get

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Speaker 5: a head coach, then I think that that his willingness

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Speaker 5: to at least see what is out there, you know,

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Speaker 5: has been confirmed that that's what he wants to do,

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Speaker 5: is to at least see what's out there and so

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Speaker 5: that you know that. But the big thing is is

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Speaker 5: he a serious candidate for in either Baltimore or Pittsburgh.

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Speaker 5: And my understanding is that at least in Pittsburgh, because

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Speaker 5: he spent a year there, they know him. If they

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Speaker 5: hated him for that year, then he wouldn't even have

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Speaker 5: been in the building. They know better than to use

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Speaker 5: him as one of their Rooney Ruhle token interviews to

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Speaker 5: the extent that those happen. So I think that the

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Speaker 5: from what I understand, there's feeling around the league that

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Speaker 5: he's a legitimate candidate for that job. You know, they

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Speaker 5: have ten That's maybe the best job in the NFL

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Speaker 5: if you're a coach because of the patients that the

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Speaker 5: Rooney family has traditionally had and.

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Speaker 2: The levels that that that.

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Speaker 5: Organization has functioned at for a very long time, three

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Speaker 5: coaches since nineteen sixty nine, and and so like, that's

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Speaker 5: a that's an awesome job, and a lot of people

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Speaker 5: were you know, are very interested in it, but they

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Speaker 5: know him at least from that one year, and they

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Speaker 5: have some serious interest there.

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Speaker 1: Texter asks me, Dan, how mad would you be if

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Speaker 1: Flores went to Green Bay?

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't be mad at.

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Speaker 1: All, Blake Moore would be doing flips and that I'd

588
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Speaker 1: be a hell of a story. That would be juicy

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Speaker 1: stuff for him to leave here to go to another

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Speaker 1: team in the divisions. Usually it's the other way around, obviously,

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Speaker 1: to be the defensive coordinator right there, he would have to.

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Speaker 5: Be yeah, in green Bay, Floor's back yep, yep. And

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Speaker 5: so that is usually the the the train runs the

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Speaker 5: other direction, you know, from from green Bay to Minnesota,

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Speaker 5: and it's usually guys that are sort of at the

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Speaker 5: end of their career, and Brian Floor is very much

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Speaker 5: at the peak of his And so that would be

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Speaker 5: a much wilder turn of events that even I can

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Speaker 5: reasonably imagine when when it became clear that his contract

600
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Speaker 5: was going to expire. But you know, on the other hand,

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Speaker 5: I think there was widely expected that that Jeff Hafley,

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Speaker 5: their former defensive coordinator, was going to be a candidate

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Speaker 5: for many jobs, and with as many jobs open out there,

604
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Speaker 5: that he was going to get one of them, and

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Speaker 5: sure enough he did. So that opening has been anticipated

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Speaker 5: for a while.

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Speaker 2: What is the Halfley attraction? Is he just why is

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Speaker 2: he considered?

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Speaker 5: I mean well he, I mean he Their green Bay

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Speaker 5: defense has been very good. The Dolphins also hired the

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Speaker 5: one of the Green Bay's front office people to be

612
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Speaker 5: their general manager, so it's somebody that he's familiar with.

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Speaker 5: So it's I'm not sure if it was a package deal,

614
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Speaker 5: but it looks like it was close to a package deal.

615
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Speaker 5: And so there's some familiarity between the new GM in

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Speaker 5: Miami and Jeff Halfley. The defense under him for two

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Speaker 5: years performed well. He was a long time assistant co

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Speaker 5: which in the NFL that went to the college side

619
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Speaker 5: and became a eventually became a head coach for a

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Speaker 5: couple of years and and actually, let you know, to

621
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Speaker 5: step down from a head coaching job amidst the NIL

622
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Speaker 5: Revolution and came to the NFL and sure paid off

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Speaker 5: for him.

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Speaker 2: So how quickly is the dust going to settle? I mean,

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Speaker 2: is it? Do you expect we're going to know within

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Speaker 2: a couple of weeks at the latest.

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Speaker 5: On Flores's on Flora. Yeah, I hope, but I can't

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Speaker 5: say that for sure. I mean, we're you know, there's

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Speaker 5: there's still there was ten openings, there's now six, and

630
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Speaker 5: some of the like the Buffalo would just opened the

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Speaker 5: other day and there and there's definitely some coaches who

632
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Speaker 5: I think are coaching on the teams that are still

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Speaker 5: playing that either haven't been able to interview or haven't

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Speaker 5: been able to do the second round of interviews. So

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Speaker 5: there's a lot of things that are fluid, and because

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Speaker 5: there's so many, because there's so many changes, that ten

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00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:54,080
Speaker 5: is the most there's ever been. There's it happen, It's

638
00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:55,920
Speaker 5: happened a few other times, but ten is the most.

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Speaker 5: There's so many, like secondary dominoes, you know, there's some

640
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:02,360
Speaker 5: teams that have retained their head coaches but are looking

641
00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:05,800
Speaker 5: to change their coordinators. And then there's all the coaches

642
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:08,080
Speaker 5: that are being hired that are looking to assemble coordinators.

643
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:11,480
Speaker 5: There's a lot of coordinator and assistant coach movement happening

644
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:13,799
Speaker 5: at a higher degree than there had been. And so

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00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:18,160
Speaker 5: if Brian Flores wants to, you know, just have an

646
00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:21,040
Speaker 5: auction for his services, there will be more openings for

647
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Speaker 5: that as a defense coordinator than in some previous years.

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Speaker 2: So are we are we close to saying we will

649
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Speaker 2: be surprised if either way head coach or coordinator Brian

650
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Speaker 2: Flores comes back to the Vikings in twenty twenty six.

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Speaker 5: I can't say I'd be surprised if he comes back.

652
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Speaker 5: But what I keep saying is that it is not there.

653
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Speaker 5: It is a realistic possibility that he.

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Speaker 2: Leaves in a way it hasn't been up until now. Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Well, yeah, in a way that you know, because he

656
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Speaker 5: was under contract with defense courch.

657
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Speaker 2: But but the coordinator part is I think what makes

658
00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:56,960
Speaker 2: us intrigued.

659
00:35:57,040 --> 00:35:59,480
Speaker 5: Yes, and that and that's why I think is yeah,

660
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:03,480
Speaker 5: and I agree. That's why I'm saying, you know, there's

661
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:05,840
Speaker 5: a non zero chance that he does leave to go

662
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:08,759
Speaker 5: be someone else's defense coordinator, But is there more than

663
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:11,359
Speaker 5: a fifty percent chance, in which case if he comes back,

664
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:13,719
Speaker 5: then I would be surprised. I'm not ready to go

665
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:16,759
Speaker 5: there yet, but it's it's interesting enough that it's even

666
00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:17,600
Speaker 5: gotten to this point.

667
00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:18,719
Speaker 2: Buffalo.

668
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Speaker 1: I mean, obviously that's got to be on paper the

669
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Speaker 1: best job. On the other hand, you better win a

670
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:25,480
Speaker 1: Super Bowl, I guess, or at least.

671
00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:29,839
Speaker 5: After today's press conference. What I miss, Well, so they

672
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:32,480
Speaker 5: did it. They lost Saturday, I think, then they fired

673
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:34,759
Speaker 5: the coach Sunday. Today's Wednesday, and they just did the

674
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:36,799
Speaker 5: press conference today, so they've had a few days. The

675
00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:39,360
Speaker 5: owner and the general manager to kind of get on

676
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:41,319
Speaker 5: the same page. And it was kind of a train

677
00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:44,960
Speaker 5: wreck of a press conference where they were getting at

678
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:49,440
Speaker 5: the reporters were asking the general manager, Brandon Bean about

679
00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:52,879
Speaker 5: a specific draft pick that they had receiver that they

680
00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:55,880
Speaker 5: had made, Kean Coleman that has not worked out very well,

681
00:36:56,239 --> 00:36:57,840
Speaker 5: and the owner jumped in and said, I'm going to

682
00:36:57,920 --> 00:36:58,399
Speaker 5: jump in here.

683
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:00,480
Speaker 2: And that was the coaches who wanted him, not the GM.

684
00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:01,040
Speaker 2: I don't you know.

685
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Speaker 5: So there was and it immediately just went from there,

686
00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:09,120
Speaker 5: and you know, he he if you if you were

687
00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:12,239
Speaker 5: someone who said, well, man, the Bills have their their

688
00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:12,880
Speaker 5: act together.

689
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:15,360
Speaker 2: You know, they have Josh Allen, they.

690
00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:18,680
Speaker 5: Have Dalvin Cook's little brother, they have you know, some

691
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:22,040
Speaker 5: other nice players. They've been winning forever. I can go

692
00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:24,520
Speaker 5: in there and you know, it's cruise control to the

693
00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:26,520
Speaker 5: Super Bowl. And you watch that press conference and you

694
00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:29,719
Speaker 5: actually see the owner in action, and you see the

695
00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:32,879
Speaker 5: interaction between the general manager and the owner. The general

696
00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:36,000
Speaker 5: managers now the president of all football operations, and that's

697
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:38,399
Speaker 5: who I'm gonna be reporting to. You say, well, maybe

698
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:40,919
Speaker 5: there's a lot more going on there than you think.

699
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:43,319
Speaker 5: And so it depends who you talk to. I mean,

700
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:45,920
Speaker 5: there's not many jobs that you would go into with

701
00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:49,000
Speaker 5: Josh Allen and that's a huge drawing card. And then

702
00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:51,319
Speaker 5: whoever gets that job was probably the first thing they'll

703
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:53,880
Speaker 5: say when they get hired and have a press conference.

704
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:58,960
Speaker 5: But I would think that anybody who has experience in

705
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:02,839
Speaker 5: you know, sort of the political backstabbing and things that

706
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:05,560
Speaker 5: occur and a lot of sports franchises would watch that

707
00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:09,520
Speaker 5: playing out in the open and might say, well, maybe

708
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:12,160
Speaker 5: there's a reason why this job is open, and it's

709
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:16,600
Speaker 5: you know, it's it's attractive, but it's not the slam

710
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:17,960
Speaker 5: dunk that that some people.

711
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:19,120
Speaker 2: Might explain to me.

712
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:22,800
Speaker 1: Why the guy who seemed to be you know, in

713
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:25,640
Speaker 1: the Catbirds sheet and could pick any job pretty much

714
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:28,400
Speaker 1: any job you wanted, John Harbaugh picks the Giants.

715
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:30,600
Speaker 2: I guess I don't get it. I don't.

716
00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:33,479
Speaker 1: I mean, there's no certainty on that QB. Now maybe

717
00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:35,839
Speaker 1: he thinks there is, But why is that the job

718
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:36,279
Speaker 1: for him?

719
00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:40,680
Speaker 5: It maybe you know, before the Buffalo job opened, maybe

720
00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:42,359
Speaker 5: it wouldn't have been you say the same for Kevin

721
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:47,320
Speaker 5: Stefanski sher went to Atlanta. I think Harball like they really,

722
00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:51,280
Speaker 5: I mean, if you're a student of history in the NFL.

723
00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:53,320
Speaker 5: You look at the Giants as one of the premier

724
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:56,560
Speaker 5: franchises and pro sports. If you if you're only somebody

725
00:38:56,560 --> 00:38:58,680
Speaker 5: who's watched him in the past ten or fifteen years,

726
00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:02,160
Speaker 5: which is a fair assessment, then you say, well that's

727
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:04,560
Speaker 5: you know, they've been operating at a low level for

728
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:05,240
Speaker 5: a long time.

729
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:08,480
Speaker 2: But they put a full court press on him.

730
00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:12,040
Speaker 5: The owner of the Giants, John Marra, is in cancer treatment.

731
00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:14,239
Speaker 2: So his brother sort of headed this up.

732
00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:17,160
Speaker 5: And his brother drove down to Baltimore and would not

733
00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:20,439
Speaker 5: take no for an answer, and they they spent a lot, yeah,

734
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:23,000
Speaker 5: and and they they made they made sure that that

735
00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:26,160
Speaker 5: John Harbaugh knew he was very wanted by one of

736
00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:29,200
Speaker 5: the premier organizations and and they said what do we

737
00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:31,439
Speaker 5: need to do to make this happen? And he laid

738
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:34,279
Speaker 5: out all the things that and they said yes, and

739
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:38,239
Speaker 5: so you know, and he didn't I don't know that

740
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:40,480
Speaker 5: he did a formal interview with anybody else he had.

741
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:43,520
Speaker 5: I think he did a like a virtual phone call

742
00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:47,279
Speaker 5: type situation with Atlanta, but they put a full court

743
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:49,239
Speaker 5: press on him. I think he's somebody who has an

744
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:52,560
Speaker 5: appreciation for the longer term history of the Giants. Uh

745
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:54,720
Speaker 5: if you go in there and you turn it around

746
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:58,120
Speaker 5: and you make them into what they were in the

747
00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:02,000
Speaker 5: sixties or the eighties and early nineties than into the

748
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:07,200
Speaker 5: two thousands, then you've cemented yourself in the history of

749
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:07,480
Speaker 5: the game.

750
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Speaker 2: And I'm sure that's at least a little bit a

751
00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:10,040
Speaker 2: part of what's going on.

752
00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:12,840
Speaker 1: So let's talk about the teams that are left and

753
00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:18,160
Speaker 1: try to sort of connect their stories to the current

754
00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:21,840
Speaker 1: conditions of the Viking, the current condition of the Vikings.

755
00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:24,120
Speaker 1: And I bring it up because you can look at

756
00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:28,239
Speaker 1: Seattle and you could say Darnold has been successful this year,

757
00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:32,279
Speaker 1: but his numbers aren't that different. I mean, in terms

758
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:36,959
Speaker 1: of ratings, they're not that high. They're okay, he's made

759
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:39,880
Speaker 1: some big throws. I don't think he threw as many touchdow.

760
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:41,879
Speaker 1: I think he had ten more touchdown passes last year

761
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:45,359
Speaker 1: than this year. But I don't know that anybody, even

762
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:47,440
Speaker 1: if he said, wow, the Vikings blew it not keeping him,

763
00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:51,080
Speaker 1: would say he's looking like a quote unquote franchise quarterback

764
00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:52,800
Speaker 1: right Denver.

765
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:54,960
Speaker 2: Now they don't have the guy they want at the

766
00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:56,839
Speaker 2: quarterback position. But he too.

767
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Speaker 1: He made a lot of important plays in that game

768
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:02,160
Speaker 1: to help him eventually, but his overall performance still I

769
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:04,320
Speaker 1: don't think reaches the lower you go. Well, if you

770
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:06,279
Speaker 1: want to get to the final four, you got to

771
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:09,799
Speaker 1: have a big time quarterback. So what does that tell

772
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:13,040
Speaker 1: us about it? It does that mean quarterback is actually

773
00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:15,239
Speaker 1: a little less important than we think? Or is that

774
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:19,560
Speaker 1: overreacting to the teams who happened to have gotten there

775
00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:21,359
Speaker 1: to the final four this year?

776
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:23,239
Speaker 5: Well, the two teams you named might have two of

777
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:26,000
Speaker 5: the two best defenses in the NFL, and so that's

778
00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:29,200
Speaker 5: certainly part of it. I think that the quarterback play

779
00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:32,560
Speaker 5: there is for each of those teams is a separate discussion.

780
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:35,040
Speaker 5: And I think there's some games this year that Darnold

781
00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:37,600
Speaker 5: won on his own, like he you know he I

782
00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:39,719
Speaker 5: think I think it's your Washington game where he came

783
00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:41,360
Speaker 5: out and he was he had thrown like four or

784
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:44,080
Speaker 5: five touchdown passes before anybody had taken a breath. So

785
00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:46,040
Speaker 5: there was a few games earlier in the season that

786
00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:49,040
Speaker 5: he just flat out was the guy that you you know,

787
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:52,000
Speaker 5: could imagine that when he was drafted number three overall,

788
00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:56,600
Speaker 5: might otherwise be But and I know we can we

789
00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:59,960
Speaker 5: can dissect each game and whether he's committed too many turnovers.

790
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:03,239
Speaker 5: I think he led the league in turnovers. But when

791
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:03,560
Speaker 5: you're the.

792
00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:05,680
Speaker 2: Quarterback of a team that that that.

793
00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:09,680
Speaker 5: Was at one thirteen regular season games and got to

794
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:14,359
Speaker 5: excuse me, gets to the NFC Championship game, it's hard

795
00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:17,040
Speaker 5: to really come down too hard on the play and

796
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:21,720
Speaker 5: so excuse me. And it makes me emotional just thinking

797
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:22,239
Speaker 5: about it.

798
00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:23,040
Speaker 2: Uh.

799
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Speaker 5: And so in the case of bo Nicks, you know,

800
00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:28,960
Speaker 5: I have not been totally impressed with him in his

801
00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:31,960
Speaker 5: first two years as a starter. But I watched the

802
00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:33,960
Speaker 5: you know, you watch the divisional playoff game, and they

803
00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:35,640
Speaker 5: hardly ran the ball at all. I mean it was

804
00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:38,279
Speaker 5: either him running or him throwing and so and he.

805
00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:40,200
Speaker 2: Had he let him on the big drive. Yeah, but

806
00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:41,640
Speaker 2: they had to have the one game.

807
00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:43,960
Speaker 5: Yeah. And even if he was just throwing p I balls,

808
00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:46,799
Speaker 5: you know, he smartly did this, right, And so I

809
00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:50,279
Speaker 5: you know, you don't have to have a Hall of

810
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:53,160
Speaker 5: Fame quarterback to win the Super Bowl, but you have

811
00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:55,880
Speaker 5: to have high level play at the most important points

812
00:42:55,880 --> 00:42:56,400
Speaker 5: of the season.

813
00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:58,160
Speaker 2: And that's what both those teams have done. And yeah,

814
00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:00,319
Speaker 2: and Seattle was fourteen and three, he said, back to

815
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:03,239
Speaker 2: back fourteen and three seasons.

816
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:05,120
Speaker 5: Were they fourteen, yeah, thirteen and fourteen and three yeah, yeah,

817
00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:08,920
Speaker 5: and so and then they and this year they managed

818
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:11,359
Speaker 5: to advance through and he pushed through a real jury.

819
00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:13,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're right, he pushed through a real injury.

820
00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:17,040
Speaker 5: And and so I can't say anything, you know, I

821
00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:19,680
Speaker 5: wondered if if he was going to fall on his

822
00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:22,600
Speaker 5: face in the playoffs, just like everybody else did, and

823
00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:25,359
Speaker 5: and I and and it certainly helps when you start

824
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:27,360
Speaker 5: a game with a kickoff return for a touchdown and

825
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:28,840
Speaker 5: you're immediately playing from ahead.

826
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:31,120
Speaker 1: But he's still and they didn't win it because of him,

827
00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:32,960
Speaker 1: But he made a couple of important things I was

828
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:34,960
Speaker 1: including a nice touchdown at the corner of the end zone.

829
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:36,719
Speaker 5: Yeah you don't, Like I said, you don't have to.

830
00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:38,919
Speaker 5: And we'll see who ends up winning the Super Bowl,

831
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:41,200
Speaker 5: I guess, But like, you don't have to have a

832
00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:44,960
Speaker 5: guy who's who's been first team All Pro for five

833
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:48,000
Speaker 5: straight years and is going to be a first ballot

834
00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:50,279
Speaker 5: Hall of Famer. It certainly helps if you look at

835
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:53,359
Speaker 5: the AFC, who is you know, when it was that

836
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:56,160
Speaker 5: stretch where it was either Tom Brady, Peyton Manning or

837
00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:59,000
Speaker 5: Patrick Mahomes in the Super Bowl from the AFC. It

838
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:02,160
Speaker 5: certainly it helps a lot, but especially in a season

839
00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:04,799
Speaker 5: that is as wide open as this one has been,

840
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:09,520
Speaker 5: you just need to be have the guy making the plays.

841
00:44:09,560 --> 00:44:11,360
Speaker 5: And so the connected to the vikings like that was

842
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:14,560
Speaker 5: sort of what they hoped. Not that they thought JJ

843
00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:16,759
Speaker 5: McCarthy could take them to the Super Bowl this year,

844
00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:19,640
Speaker 5: but they thought if they had their act together on defense,

845
00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:21,479
Speaker 5: and they had their act together in the kicking game,

846
00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:23,719
Speaker 5: and they had their act together in the running game,

847
00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:29,239
Speaker 5: that a quarterback who could be counted on to make

848
00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:33,680
Speaker 5: certain big plays and certain big situations would be enough

849
00:44:33,719 --> 00:44:35,360
Speaker 5: to get them and certainly to the playoffs.

850
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:37,000
Speaker 2: And then we'll see what happens from there. All right.

851
00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:40,719
Speaker 1: We will talk when we come back about the controversy

852
00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:46,279
Speaker 1: surrounding the dual the two passion interference calls yes in

853
00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:50,120
Speaker 1: that game, and then also the catcher not to catch,

854
00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:52,200
Speaker 1: because I know you have strong feelings about that as well.

855
00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:54,640
Speaker 1: So we're gonna get into all that. We'll get into

856
00:44:54,640 --> 00:44:57,799
Speaker 1: a lot more vikings vetting as well. Kevin Seffert in

857
00:44:57,840 --> 00:45:01,799
Speaker 1: studio for the hour. Luigi is scheduled to join us

858
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:04,920
Speaker 1: at four thirty this afternoon, and then Pat Kessler, I

859
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:08,000
Speaker 1: think coming off of the ir He had a flu

860
00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:09,560
Speaker 1: or cold or something last week.

861
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:11,560
Speaker 2: He is expected back in studio.

862
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:16,440
Speaker 1: That will be sometime around five thirty this evening. Questions

863
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Speaker 1: for seafort as I said Brat Schawan Brian Cafe in

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Speaker 1: text line is six four six eighty six back in

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Speaker 1: just a minute.