1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:03,800 Speaker 1: The Ravens fly into Cincinnati for a battle with our Bengals. 2 00:00:03,840 --> 00:00:06,960 Speaker 1: Will sach Taylor's Orange and Black bust Baltimore in the 3 00:00:07,000 --> 00:00:09,440 Speaker 1: beak and whip up a win. Find out when you 4 00:00:09,440 --> 00:00:12,479 Speaker 1: get the call live from Dan Horde and Dave lamp. 5 00:00:12,640 --> 00:00:15,760 Speaker 1: The game kicks off at one pm, with coverage starting 6 00:00:15,800 --> 00:00:19,239 Speaker 1: at nine am. Sunday. Streams for free on the new 7 00:00:19,280 --> 00:00:23,759 Speaker 1: and improved iHeart Radio app or ESPN fifteen thirty, the 8 00:00:23,920 --> 00:00:26,800 Speaker 1: official home of the Cincinnati Bengals. 9 00:00:28,160 --> 00:00:31,720 Speaker 2: What's up? It's three oh six. This is ESPN fifteen 10 00:00:31,800 --> 00:00:35,279 Speaker 2: thirty on Moolegas. Thank you for listening today. Hopefully you're 11 00:00:35,280 --> 00:00:38,600 Speaker 2: having an awesome Tuesday. We are posting up at Oakley Greens. 12 00:00:39,080 --> 00:00:41,159 Speaker 2: This is what I love about Oakley Greens this time 13 00:00:41,200 --> 00:00:45,080 Speaker 2: of year. It's festive. It's festive. You mean, there's holiday lights, 14 00:00:45,520 --> 00:00:48,599 Speaker 2: there's a Christmas tree made of beer kegs. We've got 15 00:00:48,600 --> 00:00:53,800 Speaker 2: Shibaka and Darth Vader holding a various Christmas paraphernalia. It's 16 00:00:53,840 --> 00:00:55,800 Speaker 2: but it's not in your face festive. 17 00:00:56,360 --> 00:00:56,520 Speaker 3: You know. 18 00:00:56,600 --> 00:00:59,440 Speaker 2: It's not like walking into a Chris Kindle market. No, no, no, 19 00:00:59,440 --> 00:01:02,280 Speaker 2: it's it's but if you're like, you know what I 20 00:01:02,280 --> 00:01:05,600 Speaker 2: don't want it to be that festive cool, then you're 21 00:01:05,600 --> 00:01:08,959 Speaker 2: gonna enjoy coming to Oakley Greens. By the way, right now, 22 00:01:09,080 --> 00:01:11,759 Speaker 2: if you buy one hundred dollars worth of Oakley Greens 23 00:01:11,800 --> 00:01:14,360 Speaker 2: gift cards, you'll get twenty five free, so you can't 24 00:01:14,400 --> 00:01:16,840 Speaker 2: beat that. Take advantage of that. It's an awesome place 25 00:01:16,880 --> 00:01:19,920 Speaker 2: to watch. Gee, we've got the college football playoff coming up. 26 00:01:20,200 --> 00:01:23,240 Speaker 2: You've got the Bengals. Bengals continuing in their pursuit of 27 00:01:23,280 --> 00:01:26,400 Speaker 2: an AFC North Championship, which the athletic tells me they 28 00:01:26,440 --> 00:01:29,080 Speaker 2: have a three percent chance of winning. You could watch 29 00:01:29,319 --> 00:01:33,520 Speaker 2: the game on Sunday. College college basketball is going great 30 00:01:33,560 --> 00:01:36,080 Speaker 2: in my life. So if you want to watch the 31 00:01:36,080 --> 00:01:39,920 Speaker 2: Bearcats play Georgia, maybe the Bulldogs have a player that'll 32 00:01:39,959 --> 00:01:42,479 Speaker 2: go off and score more than twenty points, and perhaps 33 00:01:42,520 --> 00:01:44,600 Speaker 2: they'll double team him. You could see if that happens 34 00:01:44,680 --> 00:01:47,560 Speaker 2: here at Oakley Greens. All sorts of stuff that you 35 00:01:47,600 --> 00:01:50,560 Speaker 2: can hang out here and watch. We love it. There 36 00:01:50,560 --> 00:01:53,600 Speaker 2: are gracious hosts. Lauren the bartender always takes great care 37 00:01:53,640 --> 00:01:56,600 Speaker 2: of us, and we love coming to this establishment. We're 38 00:01:56,640 --> 00:01:58,520 Speaker 2: out of the way early today at five thirty because 39 00:01:58,520 --> 00:02:01,200 Speaker 2: the UK basketball, So keep that mind. Our friend Paul 40 00:02:01,240 --> 00:02:03,640 Speaker 2: Danner Junior is here from the Athletic in the Grolar podcast. 41 00:02:03,640 --> 00:02:07,240 Speaker 3: How's it going it correct? Yeah, it's going great. 42 00:02:07,360 --> 00:02:09,440 Speaker 4: It sounds like, uh, you know, I think everybody's in 43 00:02:09,480 --> 00:02:12,679 Speaker 4: a very similar place with THEIRS CINCINNTI sports teams right now. 44 00:02:12,720 --> 00:02:14,520 Speaker 4: So we can you know, go ahead and keep that 45 00:02:14,600 --> 00:02:17,920 Speaker 4: tone rolling. You want to talk about Kyle Swarber, why not? 46 00:02:18,200 --> 00:02:21,240 Speaker 3: Hey, how close? Were they not? Close? No? 47 00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:24,240 Speaker 4: You know it was the uh you know, does he 48 00:02:24,280 --> 00:02:26,680 Speaker 4: want to come back here and play at home? There 49 00:02:26,760 --> 00:02:29,040 Speaker 4: is a way to assure that that happened. Yeah, do 50 00:02:29,040 --> 00:02:29,720 Speaker 4: you know what that is? 51 00:02:29,760 --> 00:02:30,440 Speaker 2: You pay the man. 52 00:02:30,960 --> 00:02:31,960 Speaker 3: You just you pay him. 53 00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:33,720 Speaker 4: You pay more than anybody else is willing to because 54 00:02:33,760 --> 00:02:35,240 Speaker 4: it matters to you, because he'd be a perfect fit 55 00:02:35,320 --> 00:02:37,840 Speaker 4: for you if if that was the way that it was. 56 00:02:38,040 --> 00:02:38,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, I am not. 57 00:02:39,120 --> 00:02:42,400 Speaker 2: I'm genuinely interested in how serious the pursuit was. 58 00:02:42,720 --> 00:02:44,280 Speaker 3: I will look at this. I would admit. 59 00:02:44,320 --> 00:02:46,440 Speaker 2: I will admit, like late last week, I'm like, all right, 60 00:02:47,080 --> 00:02:50,000 Speaker 2: maybe they pull this off. Maybe they pulled it. Maybe 61 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:51,919 Speaker 2: they're like, you know what, this is our shot. We're 62 00:02:51,919 --> 00:02:57,360 Speaker 2: gonna like change our brand by financially coming to the party. 63 00:02:57,480 --> 00:03:00,480 Speaker 2: And making this work. Like I kind of to convince 64 00:03:00,560 --> 00:03:02,720 Speaker 2: myself late last week. I don't know why. 65 00:03:03,040 --> 00:03:07,640 Speaker 4: Yeah, no, I mean it's it certainly doesn't fit any 66 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:10,359 Speaker 4: of the rest of the strategy that they're going with 67 00:03:10,800 --> 00:03:16,440 Speaker 4: right now at this point at all. But I don't know, dude, 68 00:03:16,639 --> 00:03:19,760 Speaker 4: at what point do we say, oh, we give credit 69 00:03:19,800 --> 00:03:22,320 Speaker 4: for pursuit. I don't give much credit for pursuit. You 70 00:03:25,520 --> 00:03:27,080 Speaker 4: don't get credit for pursuit anymore. 71 00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:28,520 Speaker 3: You don't get credit for pursuit. 72 00:03:28,800 --> 00:03:31,160 Speaker 2: I don't know what happened to the microphone there, but no, no, 73 00:03:31,240 --> 00:03:34,120 Speaker 2: this is the bottom line business. And look what I 74 00:03:34,160 --> 00:03:37,000 Speaker 2: would say to the Castellini say, is in your decades 75 00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:39,240 Speaker 2: of running businesses, do you give credit for people who 76 00:03:39,520 --> 00:03:42,680 Speaker 2: try or to give credit for results. And that's how 77 00:03:42,720 --> 00:03:45,960 Speaker 2: I view this, that they get no credit for And 78 00:03:46,040 --> 00:03:48,440 Speaker 2: I'm sure there are people willing to give it to them. 79 00:03:48,440 --> 00:03:50,600 Speaker 2: Well they you know, they were kind of they were there, Like, no, 80 00:03:50,680 --> 00:03:53,440 Speaker 2: they weren't. There's no press conference there. You either got 81 00:03:53,480 --> 00:03:55,200 Speaker 2: to the number or you didn't get to the number. 82 00:03:55,280 --> 00:03:57,680 Speaker 2: There's either a press conference where Kyle Schwarber tries on 83 00:03:57,720 --> 00:03:59,680 Speaker 2: a jersey and then has your logo on it, or 84 00:04:00,520 --> 00:04:02,520 Speaker 2: there isn't and there's not, so that's all that matters. 85 00:04:02,720 --> 00:04:04,400 Speaker 2: This is results oriented. 86 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:07,200 Speaker 4: And it you may be able to find a better 87 00:04:07,240 --> 00:04:10,800 Speaker 4: way to make it work with the other plan, the 88 00:04:10,840 --> 00:04:12,800 Speaker 4: alternative to you know what that would have been, you know, 89 00:04:12,840 --> 00:04:15,280 Speaker 4: because there would be holes left if you were gonna 90 00:04:15,280 --> 00:04:17,039 Speaker 4: give this money and you're gonna have to trade away 91 00:04:17,680 --> 00:04:20,760 Speaker 4: Brady Singer or the other things that you would have 92 00:04:20,880 --> 00:04:22,920 Speaker 4: to do, and it would leave you short and you'd 93 00:04:22,920 --> 00:04:26,479 Speaker 4: have have bullpen depth issues or whatever. Maybe maybe there's 94 00:04:26,520 --> 00:04:29,560 Speaker 4: there's ways that this you gotta go win doing whatever. 95 00:04:29,600 --> 00:04:32,200 Speaker 4: But if you don't win and it's because you didn't 96 00:04:32,240 --> 00:04:34,640 Speaker 4: hit enough home runs or didn't have enough offense, which 97 00:04:34,920 --> 00:04:38,039 Speaker 4: has been a familiar theme around here, it's hard not 98 00:04:38,120 --> 00:04:40,640 Speaker 4: to look back and say, Ah, there was the investment 99 00:04:40,760 --> 00:04:42,320 Speaker 4: right there in front of you, the perfect fit, the 100 00:04:42,320 --> 00:04:44,400 Speaker 4: perfect guy, and just sit here and hit bombs for 101 00:04:44,440 --> 00:04:45,880 Speaker 4: the next five years and try to help you win 102 00:04:45,920 --> 00:04:47,160 Speaker 4: te And like. 103 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:50,680 Speaker 2: My question all along has been, this is not likely 104 00:04:50,720 --> 00:04:54,200 Speaker 2: to happen. So what's plan B. Like if you're pinning 105 00:04:54,200 --> 00:04:59,000 Speaker 2: your hopes on Kyle Schwerber's plan A, Okay, that doesn't 106 00:04:59,040 --> 00:05:01,520 Speaker 2: plant pan out. Can't get my words right? If that 107 00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:05,000 Speaker 2: doesn't pan out. Plan B to solve declaring issue as 108 00:05:05,040 --> 00:05:08,080 Speaker 2: it relates to lack of pop is what what's gonna cost? 109 00:05:09,760 --> 00:05:12,520 Speaker 2: Is it gonna involve a trade? Is it gonna involve 110 00:05:12,520 --> 00:05:15,880 Speaker 2: a free agent who's a little under the radar. Is 111 00:05:15,920 --> 00:05:20,040 Speaker 2: it gonna involve putting together an offense that doesn't have 112 00:05:20,120 --> 00:05:23,560 Speaker 2: that guy but still making it better this offseason? Like 113 00:05:23,600 --> 00:05:26,520 Speaker 2: what's if it wasn't Kyle Schwarber? What's planned B? Was 114 00:05:26,560 --> 00:05:29,640 Speaker 2: my question in October. It's my question here in mid December. 115 00:05:29,720 --> 00:05:31,600 Speaker 2: And I'm sure there are I'm sure there are answers. 116 00:05:31,640 --> 00:05:34,320 Speaker 4: I mean, he's not the only guy out there, right 117 00:05:34,680 --> 00:05:38,080 Speaker 4: And and you know the idea of giving that kind 118 00:05:38,120 --> 00:05:40,320 Speaker 4: of money if you are on a limited budget and 119 00:05:40,360 --> 00:05:43,720 Speaker 4: it takes away from somewhere else, there's a diminishing return 120 00:05:43,800 --> 00:05:47,360 Speaker 4: element to that because you're taking away from another area. Now, 121 00:05:47,400 --> 00:05:49,280 Speaker 4: maybe you can add and not have to take away, 122 00:05:49,320 --> 00:05:52,719 Speaker 4: and you can build his strength whatever. I don't know 123 00:05:52,880 --> 00:05:56,200 Speaker 4: enough about what that the second, third, and fourth tier 124 00:05:56,320 --> 00:05:56,840 Speaker 4: looks like. 125 00:05:57,400 --> 00:05:59,279 Speaker 3: But it needs to be something. 126 00:05:59,320 --> 00:06:02,040 Speaker 4: It can't just be bet on guys getting better because 127 00:06:02,080 --> 00:06:04,479 Speaker 4: we've we've kind of been down and that's not a 128 00:06:04,560 --> 00:06:07,040 Speaker 4: disbelief in those guys you just us that can be a. 129 00:06:06,960 --> 00:06:09,000 Speaker 2: Part of it, but that that can be a part 130 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:11,240 Speaker 2: of it. I have a feeling that Plan B is 131 00:06:11,839 --> 00:06:13,800 Speaker 2: the next version of Austin Hayes. 132 00:06:14,640 --> 00:06:16,799 Speaker 3: Yeah. Probably. 133 00:06:16,880 --> 00:06:19,240 Speaker 4: I mean that's that's what That's what these That's what 134 00:06:19,279 --> 00:06:23,040 Speaker 4: it looks like in this model, right in the the 135 00:06:23,120 --> 00:06:27,120 Speaker 4: model of the teams that are the lower market teams 136 00:06:27,120 --> 00:06:30,840 Speaker 4: that are trying to find their way to moneyball the system, 137 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:33,400 Speaker 4: so to speak, and and win more with less. 138 00:06:35,080 --> 00:06:36,400 Speaker 3: That's what it has to look like. 139 00:06:37,240 --> 00:06:40,000 Speaker 2: Let's talk about what does Sunday look like in Orchard Park. 140 00:06:41,560 --> 00:06:45,120 Speaker 2: That game on Sunday encapsulated my biggest gripe about this 141 00:06:45,200 --> 00:06:49,560 Speaker 2: team that Joe Burrow has to be perfect. Yeah, and 142 00:06:49,600 --> 00:06:53,000 Speaker 2: in the absence of perfection, they have no chance. And 143 00:06:53,080 --> 00:06:55,839 Speaker 2: Joe Burrow wasn't perfect. And look man the first to 144 00:06:55,920 --> 00:06:59,040 Speaker 2: admit his postgame demeanor told you everything you need to know. 145 00:06:59,800 --> 00:07:01,839 Speaker 2: He throws a pick six that you can't throw. He 146 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:05,520 Speaker 2: knows that. Unfortunately it happened. They're not good enough to 147 00:07:05,560 --> 00:07:09,320 Speaker 2: overcome that. That is my single biggest gripe about the 148 00:07:09,320 --> 00:07:13,160 Speaker 2: Cincinnati Bengals, That it's built on the quarterback being superhuman, 149 00:07:13,200 --> 00:07:16,600 Speaker 2: which by the way for three plus quarters. He was like, 150 00:07:16,640 --> 00:07:19,760 Speaker 2: for three plus quarters, he was awesome, dude, Like, and 151 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:22,360 Speaker 2: you talked about this on the Growlery like that was 152 00:07:22,400 --> 00:07:27,600 Speaker 2: a fun quarterback duel Alan Burrow in the snow high Stakes, 153 00:07:27,920 --> 00:07:30,720 Speaker 2: like late in the season, it was awesome. It's great drama, 154 00:07:30,760 --> 00:07:34,240 Speaker 2: great theater. Joe Burrow was terrific. The moment he stopped 155 00:07:34,480 --> 00:07:36,520 Speaker 2: the Bengals, chances of winning that game went away. 156 00:07:36,760 --> 00:07:40,600 Speaker 4: Yeah, you can't. You can't make mistakes. You can't only 157 00:07:40,640 --> 00:07:44,080 Speaker 4: score thirty four. Yeah, thirty four, just thirty four. 158 00:07:44,160 --> 00:07:46,080 Speaker 3: You can't. You can't do that. And that's. 159 00:07:47,600 --> 00:07:50,400 Speaker 4: It's the it's the frustrating element, and it's it's why 160 00:07:50,440 --> 00:07:54,400 Speaker 4: we use terms like waste seasons and things like that, 161 00:07:54,600 --> 00:07:58,880 Speaker 4: because nobody, just nobody else has asked to do this. 162 00:07:59,680 --> 00:08:01,440 Speaker 3: And I mean that, like. 163 00:08:01,800 --> 00:08:04,040 Speaker 4: No one else is asked to go out here and 164 00:08:04,280 --> 00:08:07,320 Speaker 4: if we could be could be forty this week, Joe, Like, 165 00:08:07,640 --> 00:08:11,480 Speaker 4: that's not you know, Josh Allen, we saw him do 166 00:08:11,560 --> 00:08:15,480 Speaker 4: superhuman things on Sunday and he has done them plenty 167 00:08:15,480 --> 00:08:18,840 Speaker 4: in his career. He's not consistently asked to go get forty. 168 00:08:18,880 --> 00:08:21,600 Speaker 4: They have a bad defense too, right, But it's it's 169 00:08:21,680 --> 00:08:24,240 Speaker 4: not It's not like that, and I mean the numbers, 170 00:08:24,440 --> 00:08:26,600 Speaker 4: you know, I tweeted it after the game, but like, 171 00:08:27,320 --> 00:08:30,320 Speaker 4: you can't run from this. It's the defining stat of 172 00:08:30,360 --> 00:08:34,320 Speaker 4: the last two years. When they score thirty three or 173 00:08:34,400 --> 00:08:37,000 Speaker 4: more their four and seven and the rest of the 174 00:08:37,120 --> 00:08:39,040 Speaker 4: NFL is one hundred and thirty six. 175 00:08:38,960 --> 00:08:39,760 Speaker 3: Ten and two. 176 00:08:40,880 --> 00:08:45,200 Speaker 4: You can't lose these games. That is that is six 177 00:08:45,360 --> 00:08:48,920 Speaker 4: seven wins over the last two years. That because you 178 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:53,640 Speaker 4: were just beyond comprehension bad on defense, you gave away 179 00:08:53,720 --> 00:08:56,520 Speaker 4: when your offense did more than enough to win it 180 00:08:56,600 --> 00:08:59,600 Speaker 4: for you. That's not on Joe Burrow. He wasn't perfect. 181 00:08:59,800 --> 00:09:02,840 Speaker 4: He was more than good enough to beat a playoff 182 00:09:02,880 --> 00:09:07,480 Speaker 4: team on Sunday. And that's the shame of it, because 183 00:09:09,720 --> 00:09:12,760 Speaker 4: any one of those plays, going back and doing the 184 00:09:12,800 --> 00:09:14,880 Speaker 4: rewatch of it and diving a little bit more in 185 00:09:14,920 --> 00:09:17,600 Speaker 4: the defense. We spent twenty five minutes at AL Golden yesterday, 186 00:09:18,720 --> 00:09:20,680 Speaker 4: I come away with a feeling of it where I 187 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:23,480 Speaker 4: think it actually was very much in line with what 188 00:09:23,600 --> 00:09:27,880 Speaker 4: they have been over the last month, incrementally getting a 189 00:09:27,920 --> 00:09:30,960 Speaker 4: little bit better, only because we were previously only comparing 190 00:09:30,960 --> 00:09:33,320 Speaker 4: them to teams from the twenties and the thirties, but 191 00:09:33,440 --> 00:09:36,720 Speaker 4: still incrementally getting better. There's a goal line stand here, 192 00:09:36,880 --> 00:09:41,840 Speaker 4: there's a day of turnovers here, there's a couple of plays. 193 00:09:41,840 --> 00:09:44,840 Speaker 2: What you're seeing Mike Paul coming from Miles Murthy and. 194 00:09:44,880 --> 00:09:48,480 Speaker 4: DJ Turner and and you're they're not missing as many 195 00:09:48,559 --> 00:09:52,320 Speaker 4: tackles right like, you're seeing some of it incremental growth. 196 00:09:52,360 --> 00:09:54,839 Speaker 4: And I think you saw it in this game. They 197 00:09:54,840 --> 00:09:59,959 Speaker 4: were getting to the advantageous situations. They forced four fourth downs, 198 00:10:00,440 --> 00:10:02,840 Speaker 4: they got them to third and fifteen at the end. 199 00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:04,920 Speaker 3: They all of these things. 200 00:10:04,920 --> 00:10:08,280 Speaker 4: They weren't teams were not sniffing third down and long 201 00:10:08,360 --> 00:10:11,680 Speaker 4: earlier in the season. They weren't putting teams, especially good 202 00:10:11,720 --> 00:10:15,839 Speaker 4: offenses like the Bills, in to fourth downs that they 203 00:10:15,880 --> 00:10:19,079 Speaker 4: have to choose to go for. I think you can 204 00:10:19,120 --> 00:10:22,560 Speaker 4: see that. But the bottom line is our question going 205 00:10:22,600 --> 00:10:25,480 Speaker 4: into it was can they make the play? Can they 206 00:10:25,520 --> 00:10:28,920 Speaker 4: take the next step? Can they get the stop in 207 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:31,600 Speaker 4: the fourth quarter? Can they make that one play that 208 00:10:31,760 --> 00:10:33,600 Speaker 4: changes the course of the game. 209 00:10:33,640 --> 00:10:36,760 Speaker 3: And the answer was no, they still can't do it. There. 210 00:10:37,360 --> 00:10:39,560 Speaker 4: Maybe they're better than they were, maybe it is coming 211 00:10:39,600 --> 00:10:43,840 Speaker 4: along a little bit, but by week fourteen, like it's 212 00:10:44,080 --> 00:10:46,480 Speaker 4: just got to start to get there, and it just 213 00:10:46,640 --> 00:10:50,680 Speaker 4: hasn't to this point, and that's unfortunate. It doesn't mean 214 00:10:50,720 --> 00:10:53,000 Speaker 4: that there isn't still something to the fact that it 215 00:10:53,040 --> 00:10:56,480 Speaker 4: has started to get a little bit better. That gives 216 00:10:56,559 --> 00:10:59,559 Speaker 4: you some hope that at least it's not going completely 217 00:10:59,600 --> 00:11:02,960 Speaker 4: in the opposite direction, which is hard to imagine. But 218 00:11:04,280 --> 00:11:07,640 Speaker 4: there's some of that, okay, but there's still nowhere near there. 219 00:11:07,880 --> 00:11:10,880 Speaker 4: They're still so far away, and it ends. 220 00:11:10,720 --> 00:11:13,440 Speaker 3: Up think about how you'd be feeling what we'd. 221 00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:15,880 Speaker 4: Be talking about right now if they made one of 222 00:11:15,920 --> 00:11:20,800 Speaker 4: those fourth down stops, if they get the interception from 223 00:11:20,920 --> 00:11:23,960 Speaker 4: Jordan Battle or DJ Turner or whatever. Think about that 224 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:27,320 Speaker 4: they win this game and Burrow was what he was 225 00:11:27,800 --> 00:11:32,320 Speaker 4: just dialed in unbelievable. And they're sitting here and there 226 00:11:32,360 --> 00:11:35,000 Speaker 4: are two games back of the Steelers and they are 227 00:11:35,120 --> 00:11:38,960 Speaker 4: rolling in Burrow and everything. It is not just that 228 00:11:38,960 --> 00:11:41,200 Speaker 4: you're not wasting the season. This could be the most 229 00:11:41,280 --> 00:11:44,960 Speaker 4: legendary run ever. Like you're feeling it, you feeling that 230 00:11:45,120 --> 00:11:48,200 Speaker 4: is just that was a playoff team, Beals. The Bengals 231 00:11:48,360 --> 00:11:50,880 Speaker 4: played like a playoff team against another one in an 232 00:11:50,960 --> 00:11:53,920 Speaker 4: environment that felt like a playoff atmosphere. Burrow was doing 233 00:11:53,960 --> 00:11:56,080 Speaker 4: the type of stuff that you've seen him do and 234 00:11:56,120 --> 00:12:00,360 Speaker 4: you've imagined him being able to do in January, and 235 00:12:00,400 --> 00:12:02,559 Speaker 4: it's why you got this guy. It's why you build 236 00:12:02,600 --> 00:12:05,600 Speaker 4: towards late in the season. But you just can't make 237 00:12:05,679 --> 00:12:08,959 Speaker 4: one more play, right You can't make one more play 238 00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:11,640 Speaker 4: on defense. And that's the hard part right now, is 239 00:12:11,679 --> 00:12:14,959 Speaker 4: like they're just weren't asking for much and they still 240 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:15,920 Speaker 4: haven't been able to. 241 00:12:15,880 --> 00:12:17,800 Speaker 3: Get it all the way there this year. 242 00:12:17,920 --> 00:12:22,080 Speaker 2: That's the lens through which I watched the game, specifically, 243 00:12:22,160 --> 00:12:26,280 Speaker 2: in the fourth quarter, they go up ten early fourth 244 00:12:26,600 --> 00:12:30,680 Speaker 2: Buffalo gets possession, and I'm going they get a stop here. 245 00:12:31,280 --> 00:12:34,599 Speaker 2: Game on. I'm like keeping an eye on Pittsburgh and 246 00:12:34,679 --> 00:12:38,560 Speaker 2: Baltimore and I'm thinking, okay, Like, if they close this 247 00:12:38,679 --> 00:12:42,400 Speaker 2: out number one, there is the tangible proof that the 248 00:12:42,400 --> 00:12:45,080 Speaker 2: defense is better when it needs to be. Get to 249 00:12:45,120 --> 00:12:50,240 Speaker 2: stop here, up ten points, close the deal on the road. 250 00:12:50,800 --> 00:12:55,040 Speaker 2: Then let's go fourth and goal. All right, get a 251 00:12:55,080 --> 00:12:58,280 Speaker 2: stop here, get a stop here. Gonna have to go 252 00:12:58,320 --> 00:13:00,000 Speaker 2: to length to the field, but still get a stop here. 253 00:13:01,360 --> 00:13:07,200 Speaker 2: Can't third and fifteen give up fourteen yards, give up 254 00:13:07,240 --> 00:13:09,240 Speaker 2: give up a fourteen yard pass, give up a fourteen 255 00:13:09,320 --> 00:13:13,200 Speaker 2: yard run, give up a fourteen yard trick play anything 256 00:13:13,280 --> 00:13:16,320 Speaker 2: but converting the first down right here, it. 257 00:13:16,240 --> 00:13:16,840 Speaker 3: Is, it is. 258 00:13:16,880 --> 00:13:18,840 Speaker 2: And if you give the ball back to Joe the 259 00:13:18,880 --> 00:13:21,880 Speaker 2: way he's playing in spite of the two mistakes, my 260 00:13:22,080 --> 00:13:25,000 Speaker 2: money is on him at least making this really interesting. 261 00:13:25,360 --> 00:13:28,320 Speaker 2: Right He's gonna have something to say about how this 262 00:13:28,440 --> 00:13:31,320 Speaker 2: game ends and maybe how this season unfolds from here 263 00:13:31,520 --> 00:13:34,520 Speaker 2: moving forward if you give him the ball, so al 264 00:13:34,800 --> 00:13:38,400 Speaker 2: your guys give them the ball. Didn't. So like that's 265 00:13:38,480 --> 00:13:40,720 Speaker 2: the lens through which I watched the fourth quarter, thinking 266 00:13:40,800 --> 00:13:44,240 Speaker 2: like number one, if they give Joe Burrow a chance, 267 00:13:44,520 --> 00:13:48,120 Speaker 2: they're going to win. And number two, when they win, 268 00:13:48,800 --> 00:13:51,560 Speaker 2: the conversation is gonna change, and we are going to 269 00:13:51,280 --> 00:13:55,240 Speaker 2: start to talk about them them at least having a 270 00:13:55,320 --> 00:13:59,120 Speaker 2: clearer path to pulling off the impossible. And yet, as 271 00:13:59,160 --> 00:14:03,200 Speaker 2: they have all seen along, the defense failed and the 272 00:14:03,200 --> 00:14:05,040 Speaker 2: big moment failed failed. 273 00:14:05,440 --> 00:14:06,960 Speaker 4: Have not been able to get a stop in the 274 00:14:06,960 --> 00:14:10,800 Speaker 4: fourth quarter all year, all year. Yeah, in any spot. 275 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:13,640 Speaker 4: I mean, and you're sitting here, you build the lead. 276 00:14:14,040 --> 00:14:18,760 Speaker 4: They played the game to essentially perfection before the Benford 277 00:14:18,800 --> 00:14:22,600 Speaker 4: pick midway through. I mean, you're up ten points on 278 00:14:22,640 --> 00:14:24,560 Speaker 4: the road. You're up ten points on the road. I 279 00:14:24,560 --> 00:14:27,440 Speaker 4: mean they they had they gotten that. They said, give 280 00:14:27,520 --> 00:14:29,680 Speaker 4: us the ball first, go out. We're gonna go score. 281 00:14:29,720 --> 00:14:31,360 Speaker 4: We're gonna jump out. We're gonna try to take their 282 00:14:31,400 --> 00:14:33,920 Speaker 4: running game and their crowd a little bit out of it. 283 00:14:33,920 --> 00:14:34,760 Speaker 3: We're gonna get quickly. 284 00:14:34,800 --> 00:14:39,040 Speaker 4: You score touchdowns on your first three drive, and you get. 285 00:14:39,160 --> 00:14:40,840 Speaker 4: You get the luck, they got a little bit. They 286 00:14:40,880 --> 00:14:43,000 Speaker 4: got the break with the slip, they get the red 287 00:14:43,080 --> 00:14:45,280 Speaker 4: zone thing. Then you get you eventually get the fumble 288 00:14:45,280 --> 00:14:47,640 Speaker 4: into the end zone by James Cook. You get a 289 00:14:47,640 --> 00:14:50,280 Speaker 4: couple of breaks even that fall your way to give 290 00:14:50,320 --> 00:14:53,240 Speaker 4: you some stops that maybe you didn't totally deserve. And 291 00:14:53,840 --> 00:14:56,720 Speaker 4: still with all of that, you're sitting there in that 292 00:14:56,760 --> 00:14:59,280 Speaker 4: perfect spot and you can't just finish a game. It 293 00:14:59,320 --> 00:15:01,720 Speaker 4: goes back to the Bears, it goes back to the Jets. 294 00:15:01,720 --> 00:15:04,560 Speaker 4: It goes back to all of these games where it's 295 00:15:04,560 --> 00:15:08,600 Speaker 4: been like, just get one single fourth quarter stop and 296 00:15:08,640 --> 00:15:12,040 Speaker 4: it can be done. They cannot close out anything. And 297 00:15:12,720 --> 00:15:15,960 Speaker 4: you know you mentioned the run by Allen, not third 298 00:15:15,960 --> 00:15:17,480 Speaker 4: and fifteen, but the forty yarder. 299 00:15:18,240 --> 00:15:19,960 Speaker 3: You have an. 300 00:15:19,880 --> 00:15:24,280 Speaker 4: Untouched head dresher, you have Cedric Johnson, and you bring 301 00:15:24,360 --> 00:15:26,640 Speaker 4: the blitz to get a free hitter like this is 302 00:15:26,640 --> 00:15:29,120 Speaker 4: what it's about. Now, you dial it up and here 303 00:15:29,160 --> 00:15:31,320 Speaker 4: it is and you can't even get your. 304 00:15:31,200 --> 00:15:31,680 Speaker 3: Hand on it. 305 00:15:31,720 --> 00:15:33,720 Speaker 4: You don't even take a tight enough angle to the 306 00:15:33,800 --> 00:15:36,520 Speaker 4: quarterback to get a hand in them. Well yeah, well, 307 00:15:36,520 --> 00:15:39,640 Speaker 4: when you're bringing blitzes and your free hitter doesn't even 308 00:15:39,680 --> 00:15:43,480 Speaker 4: touch a guy, guess what When it's Josh Allen, it's 309 00:15:43,680 --> 00:15:48,040 Speaker 4: it's gone. And on third and fifteen, when you apparently 310 00:15:48,080 --> 00:15:51,880 Speaker 4: have you know, players that won Geno Stone. I knew 311 00:15:51,880 --> 00:15:54,160 Speaker 4: you had to be enjoying that moment when it was 312 00:15:54,320 --> 00:15:57,880 Speaker 4: Josh Allen versus Geno Stone. Don't space one on one 313 00:15:58,040 --> 00:16:01,000 Speaker 4: for your season. You knew that was coming. I told you, Yeah, 314 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:05,479 Speaker 4: I told you what I said. As the play is unfolding, heget. 315 00:16:05,160 --> 00:16:06,320 Speaker 3: Here we go. This is the one. 316 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:10,280 Speaker 4: I mean, just imagine the stunning surprise if you would 317 00:16:10,320 --> 00:16:13,560 Speaker 4: have actually seen him make that tackle. But to me, though, 318 00:16:13,640 --> 00:16:18,560 Speaker 4: it's more it's it's Demetrious Night on the sideline, face 319 00:16:18,640 --> 00:16:21,520 Speaker 4: guarding like he's in a box and one defense against 320 00:16:21,560 --> 00:16:27,440 Speaker 4: a halfback, completely unaware that behind him, directly behind him 321 00:16:27,440 --> 00:16:29,920 Speaker 4: as a linebacker on the team, Josh Allen is running 322 00:16:29,920 --> 00:16:33,200 Speaker 4: to end your season. He's twelve yards downfield. Night hasn't 323 00:16:33,200 --> 00:16:36,520 Speaker 4: even turned around yet. Still is there not even a 324 00:16:36,600 --> 00:16:38,680 Speaker 4: roar of the crowd? Are you here to make you wonder? 325 00:16:39,040 --> 00:16:42,360 Speaker 4: Be curious what's happening behind you? I mean that's the 326 00:16:42,440 --> 00:16:45,760 Speaker 4: stuff like this is it's and it's you know, you're 327 00:16:45,880 --> 00:16:48,040 Speaker 4: fourth and three at the goal line, right, just get 328 00:16:48,080 --> 00:16:50,200 Speaker 4: it here at the end of the game that you 329 00:16:50,200 --> 00:16:52,560 Speaker 4: know they're going for the juggular, here's your chance to 330 00:16:52,600 --> 00:16:55,200 Speaker 4: have your goal line stand to crack back. And what 331 00:16:55,320 --> 00:16:58,120 Speaker 4: happens some dude just decides to just go out to 332 00:16:58,160 --> 00:17:02,240 Speaker 4: the flat and leave the tight end standing there all 333 00:17:02,280 --> 00:17:05,120 Speaker 4: by himself, right in front of Josh Allen. 334 00:17:05,640 --> 00:17:06,439 Speaker 3: And you have that. 335 00:17:06,520 --> 00:17:09,040 Speaker 4: You go through all of those fourth downs, any one 336 00:17:09,080 --> 00:17:11,520 Speaker 4: of these where it's like Joseph Osai on a fourth 337 00:17:11,560 --> 00:17:13,480 Speaker 4: down decides to try to do a spin move and 338 00:17:13,480 --> 00:17:15,680 Speaker 4: he just falls to the ground so Dion Dpkins can 339 00:17:15,680 --> 00:17:18,879 Speaker 4: stand on top of him and clear Josh Allen to 340 00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:21,920 Speaker 4: just buy two seconds to go out that direction, and 341 00:17:22,080 --> 00:17:25,639 Speaker 4: you just Miles Murphy taking an inside path and they 342 00:17:25,640 --> 00:17:28,760 Speaker 4: can't cover it on the outside. Like you know, there's 343 00:17:28,800 --> 00:17:30,920 Speaker 4: a lot of tip your hat to Josh Allen stuff. 344 00:17:30,960 --> 00:17:35,400 Speaker 4: But there's also just awareness on the field from anyone. 345 00:17:35,680 --> 00:17:38,919 Speaker 4: But it's stuff bad players do. They can't find a 346 00:17:38,920 --> 00:17:40,520 Speaker 4: way to make a play in the big moment, they 347 00:17:40,560 --> 00:17:43,520 Speaker 4: can't see what's going on, and they just consistently get 348 00:17:43,560 --> 00:17:46,760 Speaker 4: taken advantage of. And that's the story of this team 349 00:17:46,800 --> 00:17:49,840 Speaker 4: because it was built on poor players. 350 00:17:49,920 --> 00:17:51,679 Speaker 3: Right now, here's. 351 00:17:51,400 --> 00:17:55,680 Speaker 2: How demented I am in the fourth quarter, up ten, 352 00:17:56,400 --> 00:18:01,240 Speaker 2: even up three with the ball, I was gonna close 353 00:18:01,280 --> 00:18:04,720 Speaker 2: this out and we have an AFC North race and 354 00:18:04,760 --> 00:18:07,680 Speaker 2: the Bengals are coming home to play the Ravens. Yeah, 355 00:18:07,720 --> 00:18:10,040 Speaker 2: and the ruler of the jungle will be Kyle Schwarber. 356 00:18:12,640 --> 00:18:14,119 Speaker 3: This is the moment. This is what. 357 00:18:14,440 --> 00:18:16,439 Speaker 2: This is where my headspace was on Sunday. 358 00:18:18,080 --> 00:18:20,320 Speaker 3: Oh, it could have been perfect, it could have been. 359 00:18:20,320 --> 00:18:21,720 Speaker 3: This is what this is what this is what it 360 00:18:21,720 --> 00:18:22,159 Speaker 3: would have been. 361 00:18:22,200 --> 00:18:25,159 Speaker 4: This is when in the dream Cincinnati sports world, this 362 00:18:25,200 --> 00:18:26,439 Speaker 4: is how it all comes together. 363 00:18:26,600 --> 00:18:26,919 Speaker 3: You know. 364 00:18:27,760 --> 00:18:30,880 Speaker 2: That's in the fourth quarter. That's where my headspace, that's 365 00:18:30,920 --> 00:18:31,760 Speaker 2: where I am thinking. 366 00:18:32,200 --> 00:18:37,840 Speaker 4: And I honestly, as we as we were sitting there 367 00:18:37,840 --> 00:18:41,159 Speaker 4: in the in the third fourth quarter, I thought, after 368 00:18:41,280 --> 00:18:45,600 Speaker 4: that unbelievable drive that ended in the Kasiki touchdown, Yes, 369 00:18:45,840 --> 00:18:46,520 Speaker 4: the winning the game. 370 00:18:46,560 --> 00:18:47,680 Speaker 3: I did too. How about this? 371 00:18:47,920 --> 00:18:50,240 Speaker 4: They came into Buffalo and did it again. They came out, 372 00:18:50,280 --> 00:18:53,520 Speaker 4: they executed their game plan and perfection. They just what 373 00:18:53,640 --> 00:18:56,480 Speaker 4: an unbelievable drive. That the type of drive you put 374 00:18:56,480 --> 00:19:00,280 Speaker 4: a game away with. Probably having watched this team for 375 00:19:00,280 --> 00:19:03,080 Speaker 4: for however long, should have known better. But it felt 376 00:19:03,119 --> 00:19:06,600 Speaker 4: that way, like it felt as much as it's ever 377 00:19:06,680 --> 00:19:09,080 Speaker 4: felt with this team this year, that they were in 378 00:19:09,160 --> 00:19:12,280 Speaker 4: complete control in a big moment. It felt that way 379 00:19:12,320 --> 00:19:14,960 Speaker 4: like Burrow had seized that for that with that drive, 380 00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:16,840 Speaker 4: it was like, Oh, that's the. 381 00:19:16,800 --> 00:19:18,040 Speaker 3: One that we're gonna look back on. 382 00:19:18,320 --> 00:19:22,680 Speaker 2: When Evan McPherson's pat went through the uprights, I went 383 00:19:22,720 --> 00:19:26,360 Speaker 2: to FanDuel dot com and their AFC North title odds 384 00:19:26,480 --> 00:19:29,160 Speaker 2: dropped to plus four hundred. 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Kyle Schwarber is not going to 430 00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:07,760 Speaker 2: play for the Reds at least not in twenty twenty 431 00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:10,760 Speaker 2: six or twenty twenty seven or twenty twenty eight or 432 00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:12,760 Speaker 2: twenty twenty nine or two thousand and thirty unless the 433 00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:15,520 Speaker 2: Phillies trade into the Reds. I say that because he 434 00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:17,760 Speaker 2: has re signed with the Phills five years, one hundred 435 00:22:17,800 --> 00:22:21,480 Speaker 2: and fifty million dollars for the Middletown native. Ken Rosenthal 436 00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:24,200 Speaker 2: reports the Reds offer was five for one to twenty five. 437 00:22:24,560 --> 00:22:27,520 Speaker 2: We'll see what plann b is. Any Bengals news today, 438 00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:29,320 Speaker 2: any anything, Yes, there was a big Newsy day. 439 00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:32,320 Speaker 4: They got the news out of the way yesterday. Yeah, 440 00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:35,600 Speaker 4: nothing yet today. College basketball tonight on ESPN fifteen thirty. 441 00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:39,119 Speaker 4: It's Kentucky battling North Carolina Central. Tip off at seven 442 00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:42,639 Speaker 4: pregame at five thirty. Also tonight, Ohio State takes on Illinois, 443 00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:46,000 Speaker 4: and Indiana Square is off against penn State. Hockey Tonight 444 00:22:46,040 --> 00:22:49,520 Speaker 4: the Blue Jackets skate on the road against Carolina Paul 445 00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:53,239 Speaker 4: Danner juniors. Here from the athletic We uh, We've hit 446 00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:54,880 Speaker 4: on a lot of things in a short amount of time, 447 00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:57,680 Speaker 4: and I have so much more. Yeah, the news I 448 00:22:57,720 --> 00:23:00,000 Speaker 4: guess will end up being if someone ends up claiming 449 00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:03,239 Speaker 4: Jermaine Burton, which is I guess interesting to see if 450 00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:05,720 Speaker 4: anybody thinks that that's worth a fire for them. 451 00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:10,760 Speaker 2: I don't really have a Jermaine Burton question. Yeah, you know, 452 00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:12,879 Speaker 2: when it was important he was suspended, I thought like 453 00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:15,960 Speaker 2: the news would have been Jermaine Burton's gonna play. 454 00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:16,520 Speaker 3: Yeah. 455 00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:19,040 Speaker 2: So this this just sort of felt like either they 456 00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:20,560 Speaker 2: moved on at the end of this year, or they 457 00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:22,880 Speaker 2: moved on at some point during the season and they have. 458 00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:27,960 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's it felt like, oh, Okay, finally, you know, I 459 00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:29,879 Speaker 4: mean that was kind of the the I mean, they 460 00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:33,000 Speaker 4: had more patients than I would have in terms of 461 00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:36,280 Speaker 4: how long the charades sort of went on this year. 462 00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:40,800 Speaker 4: But they, yeah, finally finally decided that obviously this is uh, 463 00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:42,200 Speaker 4: the trust is. 464 00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:45,520 Speaker 3: Never going to come back between organization and player. Explain 465 00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:45,960 Speaker 3: this to me. 466 00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:51,640 Speaker 2: T Higgins was in concussion protocol was last week. Yeah, right, 467 00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:53,760 Speaker 2: was working out of it. 468 00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:54,360 Speaker 3: It did work out. 469 00:23:54,359 --> 00:23:56,160 Speaker 2: It did work out of it. Plays in the game 470 00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:58,560 Speaker 2: on Sunday, Yes, hits his head on the turf. Is 471 00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:00,960 Speaker 2: pointing to his head like, hey, hit my head on 472 00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:04,800 Speaker 2: the turf. His head hits the turf again in the game. 473 00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:07,919 Speaker 2: As he's playing the game and playing very well, it 474 00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:12,480 Speaker 2: looks like he's dealing with some effect. There's something there, 475 00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:15,320 Speaker 2: something that would make you think maybe T is not 476 00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:17,920 Speaker 2: all right, But they never take him out of the game, 477 00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:21,440 Speaker 2: and then yesterday we find out he's back in concussion protocol. 478 00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:24,400 Speaker 2: Can you make that make sense? 479 00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:30,400 Speaker 4: Yeah, here's the thing, specifically, when it comes to concussions, 480 00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:36,720 Speaker 4: they're absolutely, unequivocally have to be guardrails in place to 481 00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:38,800 Speaker 4: make it so there is no gray area with this, 482 00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:45,240 Speaker 4: and there are, so the coaches and everybody else essentially 483 00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:49,840 Speaker 4: has to be taken out of the equation, and they do. 484 00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:54,160 Speaker 4: That's why the independent neurologists exists. That's why the guy 485 00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:55,920 Speaker 4: with the red hat takes you into the blue tent 486 00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:58,280 Speaker 4: and they give you the baseline test to test for 487 00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:02,840 Speaker 4: concussions when they take you in there. If you pass that, 488 00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:05,240 Speaker 4: that's all anyone can go off of. In the heat 489 00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:09,320 Speaker 4: of the game that's happening out there. He passes it, Okay, 490 00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:14,760 Speaker 4: he's okay. Then it happens again, take him in there again. 491 00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:17,439 Speaker 4: They do it again. In terms of it's it's the 492 00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:20,560 Speaker 4: spotter there's no saying that he definitely has it. Just 493 00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:22,320 Speaker 4: because a guy hits said it doesn't assign me he 494 00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:25,240 Speaker 4: has it. Says he's good, clears him to go back 495 00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:29,800 Speaker 4: into the game, whether whether it's making a decision I'm 496 00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:32,080 Speaker 4: deciding to keep you out or making decisions like get 497 00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:38,119 Speaker 4: back in there, those thoughts, those actions are taken away 498 00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:41,880 Speaker 4: from the staff, right and forget, And that's the way 499 00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:44,359 Speaker 4: that it should be. Yeah, so I don't I guess 500 00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:47,639 Speaker 4: I don't understand. I get what it looks like. 501 00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:50,160 Speaker 2: Well, it's how it looks because then you find out 502 00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:51,080 Speaker 2: he's in the protocol. 503 00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:54,280 Speaker 4: Well after the game, he reports that he was feeling 504 00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:57,040 Speaker 4: symptoms afterwards. Okay, that wasn't during the game. 505 00:25:57,280 --> 00:25:57,680 Speaker 3: Okay. 506 00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:00,840 Speaker 4: Can can we then look back and say, t were 507 00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:02,800 Speaker 4: you trying to fake your way through it? Did you 508 00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:05,800 Speaker 4: successfully fake your way through it? Maybe that's part of 509 00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:12,080 Speaker 4: whatever happened with the neurologists, But to me, that falls 510 00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:14,040 Speaker 4: on the independent neurologists. 511 00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:16,280 Speaker 2: Yes, no doubt, Well trust me. 512 00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:19,160 Speaker 4: What or the entire process? My question is, I don't 513 00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:21,080 Speaker 4: know that there's I don't know. They certainly haven't come 514 00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:22,920 Speaker 4: up with a better way, and we know that they've 515 00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:23,320 Speaker 4: tried to. 516 00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:27,280 Speaker 2: My question isn't based on a belief for an assumption 517 00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:30,520 Speaker 2: that the Bengals did something wrong. It was it just 518 00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:33,479 Speaker 2: it's how it adds up. He was in protocol. I 519 00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:36,200 Speaker 2: watched him. He looked like he was struggling by the 520 00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:39,600 Speaker 2: way he was also awesome on Sunday. Looks like he's struggling. 521 00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:41,800 Speaker 2: Then we find out, well, actually they put him in 522 00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:46,720 Speaker 2: the protocol because he reported symptoms after the game. Something 523 00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:48,119 Speaker 2: in that process seems broken. 524 00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:54,160 Speaker 4: Trying to diagnose concussions is broken. Yeah, and I mean 525 00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:58,520 Speaker 4: generally like it's just it is it is. This is 526 00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:03,280 Speaker 4: the NFL gray area. Okay, of they don't really they 527 00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:07,640 Speaker 4: haven't come up with any fail safe you know process here. 528 00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:10,840 Speaker 4: There's no way to do it right in that moment 529 00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:14,080 Speaker 4: other than you end up sometimes taking people out of 530 00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:15,160 Speaker 4: the game that don't. 531 00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:15,960 Speaker 3: Have concussions at all. 532 00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:19,040 Speaker 4: Sure because you think that it looks like they might have, right, 533 00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:23,919 Speaker 4: and the PA and the NFL sign up for this process. 534 00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:26,600 Speaker 4: They abide by this process, and all they can do 535 00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:29,159 Speaker 4: is go with it. And I also do think you know, 536 00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:32,639 Speaker 4: I mean, I've certainly never played I played it in 537 00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:35,160 Speaker 4: some intense games in grade school when I played football. 538 00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:38,840 Speaker 4: I don't know what it's like to be out there 539 00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:41,639 Speaker 4: and go through one of these games where you don't know, 540 00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:44,440 Speaker 4: everything hurts, you're playing through stuff. It's crazy, Like I 541 00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:47,119 Speaker 4: can't imagine. I'm not wired like these guys don't do 542 00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:50,160 Speaker 4: anything like that. But I imagine there's lots of times 543 00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:53,160 Speaker 4: where once you get out of the game, the heat 544 00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:54,840 Speaker 4: of the game and it ends, and you're sitting there 545 00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:56,600 Speaker 4: in the locker room and you're able to, you take 546 00:27:56,720 --> 00:28:01,640 Speaker 4: more stock of how do I actually feel? So that's 547 00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:05,760 Speaker 4: probably part of this for Tea right, and for whatever 548 00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:10,000 Speaker 4: it's worth, and very little. He was very normal talking 549 00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:12,639 Speaker 4: like there wasn't any Do we hear stories of like 550 00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:15,560 Speaker 4: after a game where Chad Johnson was just like yelling 551 00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:18,480 Speaker 4: thing you right, and like pr had to come in 552 00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:21,760 Speaker 4: and stop it. Back in the day, This wasn't It 553 00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:24,720 Speaker 4: was a very normal conversation. I've talked to T, been 554 00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:28,919 Speaker 4: in parts of interview scrums with T many many times 555 00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:30,920 Speaker 4: sounded nothing different than normal. 556 00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:32,600 Speaker 3: I don't know. 557 00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:36,040 Speaker 4: I think this is an inherent issue in the NFL. 558 00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:40,520 Speaker 4: Is it's just a gray area, man, and then and 559 00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:45,000 Speaker 4: all they can go by is whatever this independent neurologist 560 00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:46,880 Speaker 4: says that's all they can go by. That's how he 561 00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:48,960 Speaker 4: ends up back in the game, and that's how it 562 00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:51,960 Speaker 4: ends up after the game with someone saying, I'm feeling 563 00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:53,760 Speaker 4: symptoms now, and you end up back in the in 564 00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:57,080 Speaker 4: the protocol, and I'd imagine this will probably be a 565 00:28:57,200 --> 00:28:59,640 Speaker 4: longer stint there, and it may it may even end 566 00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:01,440 Speaker 4: up being the last we see of t this year. 567 00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:05,560 Speaker 4: I don't know, but you know, it's I it's it's 568 00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:07,520 Speaker 4: it's just a hard thing to navigate. 569 00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:11,920 Speaker 2: Uh, finding out that Trey Hendrickson is opting for surgery, 570 00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:15,760 Speaker 2: did that feel like an inevitable end to his season 571 00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:17,120 Speaker 2: and Bengals career? 572 00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:20,480 Speaker 3: Yeah? Yes, this was where this ended, right, Like. 573 00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:24,959 Speaker 4: There was this idea that, okay, well maybe if they 574 00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:27,600 Speaker 4: end up in something, he could come back later in 575 00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:28,040 Speaker 4: the year. 576 00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:29,040 Speaker 3: But I think. 577 00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:34,600 Speaker 4: It certainly feels like the timing of that was about 578 00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:35,120 Speaker 4: on point. 579 00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:35,880 Speaker 2: Right. 580 00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:38,040 Speaker 4: As soon as it feels like, okay, this thing's over, 581 00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:41,080 Speaker 4: we're just gonna move it on here and and and 582 00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:45,520 Speaker 4: move along, and you know, so it goes that. It's 583 00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:49,560 Speaker 4: the situation. I think it's pretty clear what dell this 584 00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:53,000 Speaker 4: is right now. It's yeah, it's it's again more gray area, 585 00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:57,920 Speaker 4: but the gray area of like how much could you pain? 586 00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:01,480 Speaker 4: Could you push through? Versus are you willing to versus 587 00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:03,920 Speaker 4: taking care of yourself and making sure that you're one 588 00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:07,680 Speaker 4: hundred percent ready by the time you get to free agency. 589 00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:09,160 Speaker 3: And that's where it's at. 590 00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:12,160 Speaker 2: But do you have a favorite all time Bengals Walter 591 00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:17,280 Speaker 2: Payton Man of the Year winner? It's no longer a nominee. 592 00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:21,120 Speaker 3: It's a winner. Oh are we we are? They've changed 593 00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:22,520 Speaker 3: the verbont they've changed the verbage. 594 00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:26,360 Speaker 4: Yeah, well it should be that, yes, And And you 595 00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:28,240 Speaker 4: know here, can I tell you something I don't. 596 00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:33,920 Speaker 3: Like is teams have now in. 597 00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:37,240 Speaker 4: The chase to win the Big Prize have had to 598 00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:39,320 Speaker 4: kind of try to find a way to work the 599 00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:42,120 Speaker 4: system where they're nominating the same guy multiple times. And 600 00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:45,280 Speaker 4: this is in no way it is no, no, no, I'm 601 00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:46,840 Speaker 4: not a digging that, but I'm just saying teams, I 602 00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:49,480 Speaker 4: think feel a lot of teams. 603 00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:51,440 Speaker 3: Are nominating the same guy multiple times. 604 00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:56,240 Speaker 4: It does help build your case to win the Big Prize, right, 605 00:30:57,040 --> 00:31:00,160 Speaker 4: There are so many players that do great things that 606 00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:03,120 Speaker 4: deserve more recognition for them, and and I just hope 607 00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:05,560 Speaker 4: people don't. I'm not saying anything that they should that 608 00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:08,080 Speaker 4: they shouldn't have a guy like Ted Carris be nominated, 609 00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:11,840 Speaker 4: like what he's done here is unbelievable. But I just 610 00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:15,120 Speaker 4: want to see more people recognized deserve it for what 611 00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:16,880 Speaker 4: they do on teams. I would love to see you 612 00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:21,080 Speaker 4: like you can only be nominated once, you only be 613 00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:24,080 Speaker 4: the winner once for a team or something like that, 614 00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:26,520 Speaker 4: just because I want to see more of the good 615 00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:29,760 Speaker 4: work that so many players do put out there and 616 00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:33,160 Speaker 4: money given to their causes and things like that and 617 00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:37,000 Speaker 4: help build up so much of what everybody else is due. 618 00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:38,680 Speaker 4: I would love to see that. But I because I 619 00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:40,800 Speaker 4: was curious and I went to look around, Like, man, 620 00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:43,240 Speaker 4: a lot of guys are being nominated a second and 621 00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:46,720 Speaker 4: third and however many times, I'd love to see more 622 00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:48,800 Speaker 4: of these causes that guys have got behind, and more 623 00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:51,200 Speaker 4: of the work that they've done get put out there 624 00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:54,880 Speaker 4: and so you can have more people benefit, like like 625 00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:56,760 Speaker 4: Ted has done with all the work that he has done, 626 00:31:56,800 --> 00:32:00,000 Speaker 4: and Sam Hubbard before him, and Carlos done that before him. 627 00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:02,480 Speaker 4: There's been a bunch of them. So you don't have 628 00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:06,080 Speaker 4: a favorite of my favorite Walter Payton Man of the Year. 629 00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:08,200 Speaker 3: I mean, I think they've all been deserving. 630 00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:11,760 Speaker 4: I mean, I think it's it's pretty I think Anthony 631 00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:13,360 Speaker 4: can Anthony muon you has to be my favorite. 632 00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:15,959 Speaker 2: Well, you know, he won the big I guess my 633 00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:20,880 Speaker 2: of the Bengals nominee slash winners. And again they not 634 00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:23,160 Speaker 2: that it matters, but they changed the verbiage where it 635 00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:25,960 Speaker 2: was it used to be he's you know, fill in 636 00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:28,520 Speaker 2: the blank. Sam Hubbard is the Bengals nominee for the 637 00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:30,479 Speaker 2: Walter Payton Man of the Year, and they've changed it 638 00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:33,480 Speaker 2: to Ted Carris is the Bengals Walter Payton Man of 639 00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:35,840 Speaker 2: the Year. He wins their award and now he's one 640 00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:41,760 Speaker 2: of thirty two. I guess, yeah, I guess, so that's fair. 641 00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:42,440 Speaker 3: I'll take it. 642 00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:44,920 Speaker 2: I did listen to Drew Sample on the pregame show 643 00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:47,720 Speaker 2: on Sunday talk about some of the things he's doing, 644 00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:51,960 Speaker 2: and I thought, like, boy, that's there's a story there 645 00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:54,800 Speaker 2: that should be told. And nothing against the Bengals pregame show, 646 00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:57,800 Speaker 2: but like, this should not be the first time I'm 647 00:32:57,800 --> 00:32:58,440 Speaker 2: hearing of this. 648 00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:01,200 Speaker 3: And there's stuff that lots of guys do. 649 00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:03,800 Speaker 4: Yeah, and you know, and I think my cause my 650 00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:05,920 Speaker 4: cleats has been really good for that out and it 651 00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:07,880 Speaker 4: helped to get a little bit more exposure to stuff 652 00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:08,520 Speaker 4: that's out there. 653 00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:11,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, I would just I would just like. 654 00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:16,520 Speaker 4: To see more of those stories out there and given 655 00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:19,440 Speaker 4: money through the official NFL channels. I think there's a 656 00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:23,000 Speaker 4: lot that can be done using that the power of 657 00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:26,720 Speaker 4: that particular award, or have multiple nominees and a winner 658 00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:29,200 Speaker 4: on each team where you can then have three or 659 00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:32,240 Speaker 4: four different guys causes kind of get some get some 660 00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:33,000 Speaker 4: love and exposure. 661 00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:34,520 Speaker 3: There's I don't know, I just think there's stuff. 662 00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:36,800 Speaker 2: I agree that's well put. All right, Well, thank you 663 00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:40,800 Speaker 2: my pleasure. Back next week talking about the Ravens game. 664 00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:44,600 Speaker 2: It's going to be excited. I feel like the process 665 00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:47,480 Speaker 2: to make the playoffs is so simple now that I 666 00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:49,480 Speaker 2: haven't had to go to the playoffs simulator. 667 00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:50,920 Speaker 3: Yeah. 668 00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:54,000 Speaker 4: I mean, well, there's a chance there's a chance that 669 00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:57,000 Speaker 4: Joe Burrow and Patrick Mahomes both end up eliminating from 670 00:33:57,000 --> 00:34:00,520 Speaker 4: the playoffs in Week fifteen this weekend, which. 671 00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:01,720 Speaker 3: Is remarkable, isn't it crazy. 672 00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:05,280 Speaker 4: There's there's a longer discussion that we need to have 673 00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:07,400 Speaker 4: this off season, and I think that that will have 674 00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:11,719 Speaker 4: be held a lot in NFL circles about why did 675 00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:14,920 Speaker 4: I why is this happening to not just Burrow, but 676 00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:18,360 Speaker 4: I mean so many of these big name quarterbacks struggling 677 00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:21,319 Speaker 4: even to get to the playoffs to be and then 678 00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:25,319 Speaker 4: having some of these teams built differently, uh that are there, yeah, 679 00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:27,200 Speaker 4: I mean that don't have that don't have the big 680 00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:29,719 Speaker 4: name quarterback that are showing up there now right now, 681 00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:32,479 Speaker 4: and just some of the roster construction I think, because 682 00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:34,920 Speaker 4: this is the first time it's felt like this in 683 00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:37,080 Speaker 4: a while where I think there's gonna be some interesting 684 00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:40,880 Speaker 4: roster construction fallout as we go through the off season. 685 00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:45,440 Speaker 2: What if your general takeaway is Patrick Mahomes isn't that 686 00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:46,600 Speaker 2: good anymore. 687 00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:50,600 Speaker 3: That would not be my general takeaway. I mean then 688 00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:52,880 Speaker 3: I don't know. I probably would mock myself. 689 00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:55,880 Speaker 2: I guess, well, you can mock me, because that's kind 690 00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:56,680 Speaker 2: of where I am right now. 691 00:34:56,719 --> 00:34:58,760 Speaker 3: It's, uh, you don't think he's any good anymore. 692 00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:03,200 Speaker 2: I don't think he's He's We're now in this Mahomes 693 00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:06,719 Speaker 2: isn't good by his standards. Thing that we've now done 694 00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:10,000 Speaker 2: in consecutive years where he is still capable of doing 695 00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:14,000 Speaker 2: awesome things, he just set the bar so damn high 696 00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:18,600 Speaker 2: early in his career that I wonder if just like 697 00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:20,319 Speaker 2: he's come back to the pack a little bit and 698 00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:23,400 Speaker 2: the way he's played, which is still quite good, is 699 00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:25,279 Speaker 2: the new norm where I felt like at the end 700 00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:28,720 Speaker 2: of last year, everybody was like, ah, he wasn't great 701 00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:31,960 Speaker 2: by his standards, but he's still not yet thirty. He's 702 00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:34,320 Speaker 2: gonna flip a switch. He's gonna be super human again. 703 00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:36,600 Speaker 2: And that didn't happen in Kansas City this year. 704 00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:40,759 Speaker 4: Is it possible, and hear me out that any quarterback 705 00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:43,640 Speaker 4: need the decent offensive line in order it would be good. 706 00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:45,360 Speaker 3: Is that possible? 707 00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:49,560 Speaker 4: It is that perhaps it just doesn't diminish the quarterback 708 00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:52,799 Speaker 4: when their offensive line is maybe really bad and they 709 00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:54,200 Speaker 4: have to try to overcome that. 710 00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:57,359 Speaker 2: I haven't watched every Patrick Mahomes NAT. 711 00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:01,080 Speaker 3: I'm not saying I've watched either, but I know their 712 00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:01,960 Speaker 3: offensive line is not good. 713 00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:03,719 Speaker 2: Their offensive line is not good, and it got worse 714 00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:06,279 Speaker 2: on Sunday Night. But like I watch a lot of 715 00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:09,040 Speaker 2: Patrick Mahomes were just as a fan, I'm like, holy crap, 716 00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:12,479 Speaker 2: there's superhuman stuff going on here, and there just hasn't 717 00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:14,560 Speaker 2: been nearly as much of that. Maybe the offensive line 718 00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:18,520 Speaker 2: woes are the major contributing factor. But I it's that's 719 00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:21,880 Speaker 2: that to me is interesting. Does Patrick Mahomes turning this 720 00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:25,000 Speaker 2: superman again? And if the answer is no, can achieve 721 00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:26,280 Speaker 2: somehow reverse their fortunes. 722 00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:27,960 Speaker 3: You do need some good players around you. 723 00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:28,759 Speaker 2: It does help. 724 00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:29,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, it does help. 725 00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:32,240 Speaker 2: We can send some of the Bengals players to Kansas 726 00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:34,400 Speaker 2: City and see if Patrick can. 727 00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:38,280 Speaker 4: Win with those guys, which ones all the defensive plates. 728 00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:41,000 Speaker 2: Okay, Paul Dayler Tringer at the Athletic dot com and 729 00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:43,600 Speaker 2: the Growler Podcast. We are here at Oakley Greens. Paul, 730 00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:45,840 Speaker 2: thank you so much. But our guy Jeff Carr joins 731 00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:48,279 Speaker 2: us to talk about what's next since the redsident. 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