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Speaker 1: on Twitter at Mark Madden X. I'm still I just

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Speaker 1: finished watching rather watching again that thirty for thirty ESPN

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Speaker 2: You know, I'm beginning to think he might have done it.

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Speaker 1: We talked yesterday about the WNBA commissioner taking credit for

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Speaker 1: Kitlyn Clark's endorsements and saying she should be grateful to

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Speaker 1: and they got to negotiate. That's terrific because those women

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Speaker 2: Kitlyn Clark in just take that Nike money, go to Europe.

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Speaker 1: It's a long way away, but should be happier and

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Speaker 1: maybe not. You want to play in America, but the

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Speaker 1: WNBA players want NBA money. And that's regardless of revenue.

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Speaker 1: That's regardless of profit loss, that's regardless of reality. But

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Speaker 1: the WNBA is subsidized by the NBA, so.

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Speaker 2: The owners might give.

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Speaker 1: However, illogically in terms of finance, the owners might give

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Speaker 1: the women what they want for pr I mean, not

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Speaker 1: crazy NBA money, but I can see the salaries like

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Speaker 2: They shouldn't the way that league.

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Speaker 1: Is mismanaged itself, from the commissioners to the players, to

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Speaker 1: the ball boys to the guy throwing the green dildo.

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Speaker 1: It just I mean, they just mangled it. Why should

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Speaker 1: paid more for urinating on the golden goose, which who

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Speaker 1: knows they might? I've said too much. WNBA is such

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Speaker 1: a soap opera. They should just shut up, not shut

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Speaker 1: up and play, because I don't care if they play.

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Speaker 1: Just shut up, and not because they're women. It's because

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Speaker 1: no matter what text they are, they yapp to goddamn.

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Speaker 2: Much like I said, I hate the bye week.

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Speaker 1: The NFL.

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Speaker 2: I mean, the games this week are pretty good.

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Speaker 1: San Francisco at the LA Rams tonight, but San Francisco's

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Speaker 1: two injured, denverd Philadelphia Man, Houston of Baltimore man.

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Speaker 2: But let's go Texas, Texans.

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Speaker 1: Washington the LA Chargers, which might be another chapter in

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Speaker 1: Washington kind of flashing back into their pan Tampa Bay

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Speaker 1: and Seattle is like, let's see who's real. Denverd Philadelphia

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Speaker 1: has promised. A bunch of guys are predicting Denver to

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Speaker 1: Kansas City. Some are picking Jacksonville because, well, the Chiefs,

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Speaker 1: I think they're worn out all those extra playoff games,

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Speaker 1: you know, well, I watch NFL and now probably not.

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Speaker 1: Does Pitt play yeah at home against Beacie? Who cares?

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Speaker 1: I heard a bit of the Nardoozi show on the

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Speaker 1: salesman Nardoozy. I felt so bad for Pat. Like we

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Speaker 1: did a whole segment on a little bit ago. Priest

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Speaker 1: And those songs are tough to sing, the intensity and

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Speaker 1: Like I said earlier, some dink wrote me a really,

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Speaker 1: really nasty email. Quit talking about music, fat ass, stick

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Speaker 1: the sports, fat ass yo, dude, it's the mark Man's show.

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Speaker 1: I like music a lot more than the Steelers, a

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Speaker 2: Let's talk O J. Simpson.

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Speaker 1: That old documentary just got done watching it. It's amazing

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Speaker 1: It was an embarrassing chapter in American judicial history.

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Speaker 2: And it was also just.

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Speaker 1: Incredible that the black community embraced and defended OJ despite

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Speaker 1: America was the subject just just amazing. What we need

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Speaker 2: Could you imagine if it had a show during the

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Speaker 2: OJ trial? Oh lordy, oh how good would that a bit?

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Speaker 1: All right? Eight three three four one two ninety nine

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Speaker 1: If it benefit of my show, that would be a

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Speaker 1: kid's mother, then he got the kids right back.

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Speaker 3: I good.

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Speaker 1: I don't watch it. Watch oj Maid in America at

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Speaker 2: It's unbelievable. What oh five ninety X hits Bunny Diver

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Speaker 2: and I just love good news.

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Speaker 4: Okay, so this is a great story I just heard

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Speaker 4: about on a ninety degree day in race.

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Speaker 2: Sept Super Genius, the Doubles, Hey Mark good with that thinion.

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Speaker 1: We've been talking a bit about Shador sand and him

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Speaker 1: doing this lame mimac with the media when you got

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Speaker 1: asked about Dylan Gabriel starting in him not here's Dan

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Speaker 1: Roloss good ESPN, and he nails the situation perfectly.

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Speaker 2: I actually don't think.

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Speaker 5: There is a time and place to act like that

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Speaker 2: Third is a job interview in that league. Every single

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Speaker 5: And my question is, Shador would be are you helping

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Speaker 5: yourself in your own building? Did that thirty or forty

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Speaker 5: and then did you help.

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Speaker 2: Yourself outside of your own building?

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Speaker 5: There's sixty four jobs essentially at that spot in the NFL.

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Speaker 5: Did that thirty or forty seconds help you at all?

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Speaker 5: When it comes to your future there or your future elsewhere?

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Speaker 5: And when you're a later round draft pick, every single

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Speaker 5: how do I make myself more appealing to the people

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Speaker 1: That's good stuff by Orlofsky. Normally I would say that

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Speaker 1: mime is money. But yeah, what Orlovsky said it, one

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Speaker 1: hundred percent true. Shador Sanders can't afford to be a celebrity.

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Speaker 1: Fifth Gron pick. Shaudre Sanders can't afford to be in showbiz.

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Speaker 1: Shador Sanders hasn't shown enough to beat out Dylan Gabriel

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Speaker 1: and Shador Sanders hasn't shown enough humility either, Like Orlowski

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Speaker 1: pretty much said, a fifth dron pick needs to be humble.

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Speaker 1: But then again, if the media gathered around my locker

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Speaker 1: every day, it would take a very conscious effort on

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Speaker 1: my part to remember that I'm a fifth DRON pick,

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Speaker 1: to remember that I'm not a celebrity, to remember to

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Speaker 1: be humble. Uh, I'm not blaming the media, but I

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Speaker 1: think Shador Sanders because of his name and because of

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Speaker 1: he draws from first round of the fifth run, isn't

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Speaker 1: a bit of a weird situation.

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Speaker 2: Let's go to Donnie Donnie order, Mark Madden show.

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Speaker 6: I got eighteen dollars?

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Speaker 7: Hey, Mark, do you think well?

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Speaker 3: I know we know this.

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Speaker 6: Norm McDonald was probably the best Weekend Update anchors.

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Speaker 3: Yes, but do you have not the butcher on the spot,

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Speaker 3: but do you.

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Speaker 6: Have a favorite OJ joke that Norm did on the show.

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Speaker 1: I liked when he basically got told by uh, oh god,

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Speaker 1: what was the executive's name?

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Speaker 2: Who was OJ's buddy?

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Speaker 1: He got told right, but NBC executive that was OJ's buddy,

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Speaker 1: that he had to back off. And the very first

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Speaker 1: joke he told on the next weekend Update was, uh,

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Speaker 1: the lapd has admitted that they went to the crime

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Speaker 1: figured out that he really did it. And then he

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Speaker 2: Norm did and it was just magnificent.

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Speaker 1: It was it was don olmar by the way, he

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Speaker 1: was an NBC executive and OJ's golfing buddy.

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Speaker 6: I liked when Norm would dare the audience on the

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Speaker 6: his dead pan approach just matter of fact statements, Like

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Speaker 6: my favorite was when he just started off weekend Update

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Speaker 6: with right after the OJ burds and he goes, well,

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Speaker 6: it's now official. Murder is now legal in the state

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Speaker 6: of California.

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Speaker 2: Well. I saw Norm a couple times in Vegas.

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Speaker 1: In one time at Soft Point Casino showroom, he told

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Speaker 1: this long drawn out joke and at the end I

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Speaker 1: just cracked up, and I realized, after about, you know,

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Speaker 1: ten seconds, I was the only one laughing.

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Speaker 2: But that's okay. Norm thought that was okay.

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Speaker 1: Norm wanted you to work for it a little bit,

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Speaker 1: and I respected that because I think this show. Not

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Speaker 1: I like to think I make you work for it

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Speaker 1: a bit too.

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Speaker 2: Let's go to Bill, Bill, you're all with Mark?

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Speaker 7: Hey, Mark, I like when you talk about rock and roll,

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Speaker 7: and uh, I want to tie this into the Penguins.

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Speaker 7: But Shanker was in town and he did Reason's Love,

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Speaker 7: and wasn't it interesting to see him do I'm a Loser,

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Speaker 7: which always thought was Phil Mogg's. Yeah for the song,

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Speaker 7: because it was his lyrics, and today's the day all

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Speaker 7: the all.

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Speaker 2: The lyrics were philed. So I don't I don't get

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Speaker 2: where you're coming from.

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Speaker 7: Well, I always saw that song in Phil's story, but

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Speaker 7: that Michael made it like his story on this tour.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, this is too much about this. Yeah, it's like,

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Speaker 1: let's not go overboard. If we're gonna do rock and

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Speaker 1: roll talk, let's do interesting rock and roll talk. Then again,

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Speaker 1: it is the bye week. I regret having hung up

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Speaker 1: with him already. Up next, we will talk hockey. No

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Speaker 1: nobody better do that with than ESPN's mister Hockey, John

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Speaker 3: The d X at one oh five nine.

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Speaker 1: He is the pride of the Tri State area. He

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Speaker 1: is the number one hockey guy, the worldwide leader. He

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Speaker 1: is the defender of the hockey faith. It's always great

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Speaker 1: to talk to John Butcher Gross Boucie. I'm kind of

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Speaker 1: prepared for a weird NHL season because I don't see

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Speaker 1: a great team with Florida so injured, and I'm not

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Speaker 1: sure I see an obvious Cinderella either.

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Speaker 3: You're right, this could be an opening for some of

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Speaker 3: these franchises looking for that Stanley Cup. Like I look

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Speaker 3: at the Carolina Hurricanes because as you mentioned with the league,

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Speaker 3: you know, the Marner trade has spreaded things out a

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Speaker 3: little bit in the East. Obviously the injuries to Florida.

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Speaker 3: Is this the year the Carolina Hurricanes? Could you know,

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Speaker 3: squeeze into this the only Cup final and kind of

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Speaker 3: you know, like the old Edmonton Carolina final from back

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Speaker 3: in the day outside out of the lockout. Could that

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Speaker 3: happen West? You got some heavyweights out west, So obviously

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Speaker 3: with Dallas, Colorado, you know Vegas, now with Marner, Edmonton,

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Speaker 3: they're trying to make it three in a row. You know,

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Speaker 3: the West is really loaded with some heavyweights, and there's

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Speaker 3: going to be you know, disappointed fan bases and maybe

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Speaker 2: You mentioned Carolina and then Dallas.

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Speaker 1: If I had to pick my final right now, it

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Speaker 1: might be those two teams, the Stars and Hurricanes.

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Speaker 2: But I'm kind of tired of waiting for both of

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Speaker 1: Sometimes teams are on the precipice, but never can you know,

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Speaker 1: push themselves over right.

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Speaker 3: And Carolina keeps trying. They have a very aggressive owner.

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Speaker 3: He's basically also the GM, very involved in everything. And

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Speaker 3: you know, they add Nikolai Eelers here, another top six guy.

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Speaker 3: They don't have that goalie really that you know. I

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Speaker 3: know that some of these things you can squeeze one

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Speaker 3: certainly not an elite goaltender, but they want to cup

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Speaker 3: with him, so they just kind of hope they kind

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Speaker 3: one of those franchise you know, pegs like a Jake

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Speaker 3: that's why Dallas would be a team that is possible.

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Speaker 3: He's a goalie who's no longer young, but still a

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Speaker 3: young Dish and he's been young during their playoff runs here,

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Speaker 3: so Dallas certainly could do it. But you know again

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Speaker 3: that West is so difficult. I gonna have to beat

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Speaker 3: if Connor Hallibuck ever figures out the postseason and still

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Speaker 1: What can Florida do to patchwork without bark Coffin Kachuck

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Speaker 3: P no, right, And they're all they're in that age.

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Speaker 3: You know, these guys aren't even thirty yet, that big core.

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Speaker 3: So that's why they still have a window for more

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Speaker 3: the end and the window closes fast. So they still

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Speaker 3: have a window here. But yeah, I mean I just

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Speaker 3: it's like, well, that is that team that much better

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Speaker 2: Now?

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Speaker 3: I mean, when you know when you look at like

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Speaker 3: the Bruins have David Pasternak and and most people have

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Speaker 3: their shine. That happens all the way around. When the

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Speaker 3: I think it's gonna be a little bit of concern

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Speaker 3: so they're gonna get more injuries. And what if another

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Speaker 3: then they're battling uphill. So I think he's a little

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Speaker 1: What can Edmondson do different or better to finally get

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Speaker 3: You know, they went to Game seven two years ago,

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Speaker 3: to do it on the cheap. You know, their goalies

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Speaker 3: So that helps them with depth, but so far, you know,

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Speaker 3: it hasn't turned into a championship. You know, they're going

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Speaker 3: to try to go with some younger guys this year.

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Speaker 3: They were an older team last year. It's hard to

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Speaker 3: win cups when you're older and over thirties and you

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Speaker 3: get tired. It's just difficulty. These are hard miles now

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Speaker 3: can come back. And they still be energized for a

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Speaker 3: But they're going to try some of these younger guys

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Speaker 3: and maybe that could be a factor. But yeah, it's

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Speaker 3: it's still tough because again, their their road is going

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Speaker 3: it's been fine these last two years, but uh, these

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Speaker 3: teams aren't getting better every year. College Wild looks better

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Speaker 3: brock Nelson like when they had nasm Contry. Landescog looks

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Speaker 3: I think even tougher this year before McDavid and the Oilers.

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Speaker 3: I don't think long term. I think he's destined to

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Speaker 3: off with the Stanley Cup. Obviously they're in Los Angeles.

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Speaker 3: I don't know, you know, deep in his heart, is

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Speaker 3: there some other place, whether it's a team looking for

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Speaker 3: to be straight city and this is what I want

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Speaker 3: more years, and maybe they're going to be the next whoever,

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Speaker 3: the next Panthers, the next team is going to go

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Speaker 3: on a run here, and so it'd be curious to say,

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Speaker 3: but I would say no, I think it probably not

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Speaker 2: I agree, and I think that would be smart on

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Speaker 2: his part too. Are the Penguins. Are the Penguins anywhere

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Speaker 3: No? No, not right now, and I don't think they

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Speaker 3: want to be obviously Yet. The next two drafts are

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Speaker 3: really good position here. They're already I think a bottom

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Speaker 3: They can play some of these young guys, bring them along,

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Speaker 3: and it'll be a place that players will go and play.

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Speaker 3: That won't be a problem. This is a Buffalo trying

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Speaker 3: think they're managing this correctly. I think Rust and Raquel

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Speaker 3: question is with Sid does he want to be a

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Speaker 3: he can still play and and produce. And I hope

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Speaker 3: he goes for two thousand points. I said that for

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Speaker 1: We're talking to John Butcher Gross from ESPN here on

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Speaker 1: the Mark Madden Show. What team improved themselves the most

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Speaker 1: in the offseason and why do I think it might

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Speaker 1: have been Vegas just by getting Marner.

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Speaker 3: No doubt he is a top five player in the league.

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Speaker 3: I mean he is a two way player. He's a

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Speaker 3: because it will be an instinctual situation where it's just

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Speaker 3: it's just beautiful hockey and a guy will see him.

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Speaker 3: So this is it's just an amazing that they're able

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Speaker 3: just getting him alone, the best player you know to

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Speaker 3: them you know, they're already a good team, but right

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Speaker 1: And what's going to make that combination of Marner and

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Speaker 3: And then Icha does love the pass. He's a pass

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Speaker 3: this because that's why he's passing me the puck, because

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Speaker 3: that's the best option to score. I have the puck.

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Speaker 3: And of course they'll always do that extra pass and

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Speaker 3: they'll be beautiful hockey and they should have some great goals.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, this is you know, this is just you know,

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Speaker 3: talent at this stage of his career. So it's exciting.

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Speaker 3: And I'm really I am curious about Montreal as they

437
00:21:59,040 --> 00:22:01,640
Speaker 3: add some young player and you know, Nixuzuki is down.

438
00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:03,160
Speaker 3: He could get a he could be one hundred point

439
00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:06,840
Speaker 3: two way player this year, these young Slavkovski, could he

440
00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:09,000
Speaker 3: turn into be a thirty five goal kind of power

441
00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:12,200
Speaker 3: forward horse as he ages gets closer to twenty two,

442
00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:14,159
Speaker 3: and you know these twenty one year old to come

443
00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:17,400
Speaker 3: twenty two and twenty two become twenty three and that's

444
00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:19,520
Speaker 3: obviously a place that players want to go play. They

445
00:22:19,560 --> 00:22:22,040
Speaker 3: add Dobson this year, all the younger players get older,

446
00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:24,000
Speaker 3: so you're looking for a team that maybe made an

447
00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:29,000
Speaker 3: improvement just through maturation and adding Dobson. I think Montreal's coming.

448
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Speaker 1: Who are the three best players in the league right now?

449
00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:33,280
Speaker 1: Butch And who's your predicted MVP?

450
00:22:35,440 --> 00:22:37,560
Speaker 3: Well, well, I think Connor McDavid is going to be

451
00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:40,560
Speaker 3: back in the MVP race this year. And the goal scorer.

452
00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:42,879
Speaker 3: I think he realizes that he needs to score goals

453
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Speaker 3: to help them win a cup. He's not been a

454
00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:46,720
Speaker 3: good goal scorer at the last two playoffs.

455
00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:48,960
Speaker 2: He passes up too many shots is what it is.

456
00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:52,400
Speaker 3: It's become an issue. He won the Rocket Rashard because

457
00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:55,440
Speaker 3: leand dry Side dared him two years ago and he

458
00:22:55,560 --> 00:22:57,960
Speaker 3: did it, but then it didn't carry over the postseason

459
00:22:58,040 --> 00:23:00,240
Speaker 3: and then last year again just the goalsc where he

460
00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:02,480
Speaker 3: was doubt goals. It's the most important thing in hockey

461
00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:05,520
Speaker 3: is goals. You can't win without them, so you need goals.

462
00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:07,679
Speaker 3: So certainly I think you're gonna come back and win

463
00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:10,640
Speaker 3: the Art Ross and win the m v P this year.

464
00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:14,280
Speaker 3: You know again, I just I have so much respect

465
00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:16,480
Speaker 3: for Jack Eye on how he defends the middle of

466
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Speaker 3: the ice as a big, strong power forward. It's the

467
00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:22,240
Speaker 3: most important position in hockey, and it's it's just it's

468
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Speaker 3: really important. That's why I think that the Panthers are

469
00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:27,400
Speaker 3: really going to miss barkof People talk about he's so underrated,

470
00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:30,000
Speaker 3: but they don't seem to think that it's gonna that's

471
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Speaker 3: gonna affect the Panthers kind of march a little bit,

472
00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:34,600
Speaker 3: I know a little bit, but that's a big loss

473
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Speaker 3: for them. And I think the playoffs could be in

474
00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:39,720
Speaker 3: peril if they had a couple more injuries. But certainly so,

475
00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:41,840
Speaker 3: I just I love I go in the middle, and

476
00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:44,680
Speaker 3: I love and I love uh, you know, Conor McDavid.

477
00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:47,439
Speaker 3: And I think it's time for Austin Matthews to ascend.

478
00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:49,520
Speaker 3: It is time for him to say I should be

479
00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:52,359
Speaker 3: one of the top three players in this league. And

480
00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:54,840
Speaker 3: I think he needs to take his craft more seriously.

481
00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:57,399
Speaker 3: I think he needs to have that will and that

482
00:23:57,600 --> 00:24:00,320
Speaker 3: fire to be great and be the best and and

483
00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:02,520
Speaker 3: I think that's been missing the last couple of years.

484
00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:05,719
Speaker 1: Well, his whole team really needs to heed your advice, Bucci,

485
00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:08,640
Speaker 1: because they haven't won for how long, But lately it's

486
00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:11,440
Speaker 1: not because they're not good enough. They just whatever it

487
00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:13,879
Speaker 1: was they never had the least still haven't gotten.

488
00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:17,159
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean sixty years now, it's been since the

489
00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:19,560
Speaker 3: late sixties when they won their last Cup. They certainly

490
00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:22,600
Speaker 3: had a great the cores four. But now Barner is gone.

491
00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:24,760
Speaker 3: They've built the team obviously incorrect, and now they're trying

492
00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:26,240
Speaker 3: to make up for it. On the back end. It's

493
00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:29,880
Speaker 3: still not a scintillating back end. And the goalie Stolarz

494
00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:33,480
Speaker 3: and Wall it's not really that, you know, that daunting

495
00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:36,760
Speaker 3: of a pair. So I just I still question where

496
00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:38,760
Speaker 3: they are. I think Tampa Bay is going to be

497
00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:41,800
Speaker 3: the benefactor of this spark Off injury. They should win

498
00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:44,000
Speaker 3: that division. Maybe they can sneak in and get that

499
00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:47,600
Speaker 3: Cup again. Sometimes that happens. A team wins, a couple

500
00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:50,119
Speaker 3: goes away, then sneaks in one more, which could make

501
00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:52,439
Speaker 3: such a big difference and how people are looked at

502
00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:55,480
Speaker 3: players and coaches. So I think Tampa Bay. You know,

503
00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:57,720
Speaker 3: they they keep making these aggressive moves. They have a

504
00:24:57,760 --> 00:24:59,879
Speaker 3: lot of good players. It just hasn't quite worked yet.

505
00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:01,879
Speaker 3: But you wondered this year, as we talked about in

506
00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:05,720
Speaker 3: the East, seems to be pretty open. They're a team

507
00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:07,800
Speaker 3: that could return to the top of the East.

508
00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:12,040
Speaker 1: Is there even one truly great goaltender in the league

509
00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:15,199
Speaker 1: right now? I mean truly great like Brador Wah Flurry

510
00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:18,520
Speaker 1: that level, and and what's happened to goltending in general? Boots,

511
00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:20,200
Speaker 1: I'm just not impressed most nights.

512
00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:24,720
Speaker 3: You're right, but you know, the era of the eighties

513
00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:27,560
Speaker 3: and and really the nineties and at the early offt

514
00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:30,000
Speaker 3: so when you had you Brador and Wah and Hashik.

515
00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:32,639
Speaker 3: You know, really the golden era of of goalies was that.

516
00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:34,800
Speaker 3: I know they talked about loft, the style of play

517
00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:36,800
Speaker 3: and the clutch and grab blah blah, but it was

518
00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:40,119
Speaker 3: also amazing goalies. Is why goal scoring was down. And

519
00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:42,800
Speaker 3: and now, like you said, goalscoring has been up the

520
00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:46,400
Speaker 3: last decade. Took the little kick down last year, But yeah,

521
00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:50,280
Speaker 3: I really do think igors a starking, now that that

522
00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:52,640
Speaker 3: Mike Sullivan is there, they're going to take away those

523
00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:55,560
Speaker 3: high danger chances, which is he faces.

524
00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:56,280
Speaker 2: So many of those.

525
00:25:56,359 --> 00:25:58,720
Speaker 3: The last two three years, the Rangers have been abysmal

526
00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:01,680
Speaker 3: team in front of him. I really do think he

527
00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:03,600
Speaker 3: is the one guy that could have sent them be

528
00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:06,159
Speaker 3: the star and they get any kind of structure to

529
00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:10,440
Speaker 3: any kind of defensive play with that veteran team who's

530
00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:13,240
Speaker 3: older and obviously very rich, a lot of wealthy guys

531
00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:15,280
Speaker 3: there playing at the end of their career. When you

532
00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:16,520
Speaker 3: have a lot of guys, when you have an older team,

533
00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:18,239
Speaker 3: you have a lot of rich guys, and a lot

534
00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:19,880
Speaker 3: of what can happen is that you know, you don't

535
00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:21,760
Speaker 3: have the same cohesive this you have the same hunger.

536
00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:24,639
Speaker 3: They're they're fed, they're fat, they got their deals, they

537
00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:27,440
Speaker 3: got their big second deals, and so that can be

538
00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:29,040
Speaker 3: an issue. But if he can get them to go,

539
00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:33,000
Speaker 3: then Schasturkin can really elevate himself as the guy and

540
00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:36,080
Speaker 3: that team could then elevate themselves as a threat in

541
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Speaker 3: the East.

542
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Speaker 1: Speaking of big deals, what's your take on the Kaprosov

543
00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:43,040
Speaker 1: deal in Minnesota, Because he's a great player, but when

544
00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:45,760
Speaker 1: the highest paid player isn't necessarily the best player.

545
00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:49,359
Speaker 2: It leads to rampant inflation. Look at edge rushers in

546
00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:49,919
Speaker 2: the NFL.

547
00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:54,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, so that's gonna be the you know, will

548
00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:57,520
Speaker 3: the NHL GMS take a hard line said that is

549
00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:00,760
Speaker 3: not a comparable. This was a desperate team who couldn't

550
00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:03,840
Speaker 3: lose that guy. It's a it's an organization with a

551
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:06,440
Speaker 3: bit of a low self esteem, even though it's in

552
00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:09,600
Speaker 3: the state of hockey. They thought this guy might leave.

553
00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:12,200
Speaker 3: They really haven't had a great run. They haven't had stars,

554
00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:14,240
Speaker 3: they really haven't had a lottery luck in the early

555
00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:17,680
Speaker 3: part of their existence. So it's been kind of tough

556
00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:20,879
Speaker 3: sledding for them to find that marquee guy. You know,

557
00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:23,840
Speaker 3: Columbus got Rick Nash early and he was their guy.

558
00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:26,359
Speaker 3: And now finally now they might have a core. But

559
00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:28,480
Speaker 3: it's taken off for them too. But Caprizov is one

560
00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:31,879
Speaker 3: of those playmaking wingers you talked about. He really is

561
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:34,560
Speaker 3: a great player, not a great skater, kind of played

562
00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:36,880
Speaker 3: the game at his pace like a Peter Forstburg, that's

563
00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:39,760
Speaker 3: who he reminds me of. But he can also score.

564
00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:42,639
Speaker 3: He has finish Forstburg didn't have a lot of finish

565
00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:45,879
Speaker 3: like that. But he's a thick, lower body guy like Forrestburgh,

566
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:49,000
Speaker 3: great playmaker and can finish and can score, and yeah,

567
00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:52,000
Speaker 3: they had to keep him. Seventeen is an outrageous number

568
00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:55,600
Speaker 3: for him, But I mean David pastaducs at eleven and

569
00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:57,720
Speaker 3: all these guys at eleven and twelve and look at that.

570
00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:01,720
Speaker 3: A lot of agents got phone calls saying, wtf didn't

571
00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:04,879
Speaker 3: you realize this was going to happen. They told them

572
00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:07,480
Speaker 3: the cap was going up last year by this much.

573
00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:09,240
Speaker 3: I don't know why these guys didn't sign one or

574
00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:12,280
Speaker 3: two year deals and just wait for this, this whole

575
00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:14,000
Speaker 3: new era to come in. It was right there in

576
00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:15,320
Speaker 3: front of them. They told them it was going to

577
00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:17,600
Speaker 3: be one and ten, one hundred and fifteen million dollars

578
00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:19,640
Speaker 3: and it's going to go up again because the ESPN's

579
00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:22,639
Speaker 3: deal and tant is up in three years. You know,

580
00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:25,400
Speaker 3: after this it's two years and so then who knows.

581
00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:27,840
Speaker 3: They they'll probably I imagine they'll do an extension soon.

582
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:29,600
Speaker 3: I know we love them. I think they love us.

583
00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:32,480
Speaker 3: I wouldn't be surprised if an extension was signed early

584
00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:34,159
Speaker 3: with the TV networks and then it's going to go

585
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:34,760
Speaker 3: up again.

586
00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:38,280
Speaker 2: Who's your Stanley Cup winner, Boucci and who they going

587
00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:39,040
Speaker 2: to play in the final?

588
00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:43,960
Speaker 3: Well, ESPN just sent our email for our season preview.

589
00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:46,400
Speaker 3: We pick all the division winners and some of the awards,

590
00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:49,360
Speaker 3: and they asked us for our Stanley Cup champ and

591
00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:51,640
Speaker 3: I did pick the Carolina Hurricanes and kind of began

592
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:54,000
Speaker 3: the phone call talking about not a great team, this

593
00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:57,000
Speaker 3: could be the year that's a team like that could

594
00:28:57,120 --> 00:29:00,640
Speaker 3: get their Cup sneak in and taking advantage of some

595
00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:03,840
Speaker 3: like we said, the situation, maybe with the injuries to

596
00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:08,080
Speaker 3: the Panthers and maybe with you know Edmonton and really Florida,

597
00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:11,200
Speaker 3: it's hard. Those miles are hard in the playoffs and

598
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:13,480
Speaker 3: take his toll. We saw what it's done to Tampa

599
00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:17,240
Speaker 3: after three straight. Still have great players, keep outing great players,

600
00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:19,320
Speaker 3: but it's just they have not been able to have

601
00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:22,320
Speaker 3: any playoff success since they're you know, three in a row,

602
00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:25,240
Speaker 3: two wins and one loss. So it's it's gonna be

603
00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:27,080
Speaker 3: tough for both of those teams. So it's kind of

604
00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:29,920
Speaker 3: open this year. It's chance for Dallas to get theirs,

605
00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:32,880
Speaker 3: it's chance for Colorado to get their second, and to

606
00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:35,160
Speaker 3: chance for Vegas to get their second and again get

607
00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:37,560
Speaker 3: that second Cup after taking a couple of years off.

608
00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:40,840
Speaker 3: So I'm going Carolina and uh and out West. I

609
00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:44,280
Speaker 3: think Colorado because of the second line center and brock Nelson,

610
00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:48,200
Speaker 3: they have more depths. Landskag is back, McKinnon and mccar

611
00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:51,120
Speaker 3: are in their prime, they got a goalie. It looks like.

612
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:52,880
Speaker 3: So I'm gonna go Colorado, Carolina.

613
00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:55,640
Speaker 1: Finally, Boots, have you've spoken to baseball and on tre

614
00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:57,400
Speaker 1: Ben McDonald after your little fracas?

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Speaker 3: I did not. I didn't know. It was kind of fun,

616
00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:04,400
Speaker 3: but yeah, you know, I don't like when people take

617
00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:07,200
Speaker 3: shot at our take shots at our uh at our sports,

618
00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:10,400
Speaker 3: especially when they're fellow cast members at Disney, right right.

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Speaker 3: But obviously he was. Yeah, he was trying to be funny.

620
00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:15,680
Speaker 3: He's got a good bit on Twitter, and I like Benny.

621
00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:18,600
Speaker 3: He's a likable guy and he's funny on Twitter with

622
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:21,360
Speaker 3: his wife and on his tractor and and uh so,

623
00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:24,600
Speaker 3: but it was just something. It was actually someone else

624
00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:26,960
Speaker 3: what our co worker is the one who texted me,

625
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Speaker 3: and I didn't even see it, and so I was

626
00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:31,080
Speaker 3: really on his behalf. I was kind of defending his

627
00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:33,520
Speaker 3: honor as well. So I have a hard time, you know,

628
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Speaker 3: sometimes fighting for myself or supporting myself. But I'll have

629
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:41,080
Speaker 3: the teammates back before I even support myself, so I'll

630
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Speaker 3: give them a little assist, a little apple on that tweet.

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Speaker 1: Bootie is always great stuff like we appreciate the knowledge

632
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Speaker 1: and you taking the time, and we'll talk again.

633
00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:52,560
Speaker 2: Real soon anytime. Marky Mark That is John Butcher.

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Speaker 1: Go mister hawk in ESPN. Nobody better with hockey on

635
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Speaker 1: TV than John Butchers. For us, they have him consider

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Speaker 1: instantly at Pierre Maguire every week. Well we're the home

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00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:04,960
Speaker 1: of the Penguins. There's a reason for that.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 2: We got Jerry do Like talking Steelers next hour.

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Speaker 1: Uh got some fun sound next Jamison tie On pitching

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Speaker 1: Game three for the Cubs Today, we'll hear from him

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