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Speaker 2: Central Standard time, we welcome you to another edition of

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Speaker 2: the host of the program. Guardsy is jetting as we

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Speaker 2: speak to the Pacific Northwest, where your Golden Gophers will

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Speaker 2: four oh two and we got some bonus Russo today

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Speaker 2: Russo Radio scheduled for five oh two. We are out

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Speaker 2: as is customary on Thursdays. I think we're out every

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Speaker 2: lineup the Bradshawn Brian Cafe in text line that's more current.

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Speaker 2: It's six four six eighty six. We would love to

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Speaker 2: fancy yet today. Are you familiar with the expression what's

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Speaker 2: past is prologue? Have you ever heard it before? I haven't.

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Speaker 2: I like you know, AI is dangerous to count on

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Speaker 2: a pretty good one. It certainly fits the theme early

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Speaker 2: in today's program, Today's Afternoon, Hardvork, What's Past is prologue,

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Speaker 2: AI suggests means that the past has led to the

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Speaker 2: present moment that would I guess you say, well yeah,

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Speaker 2: alert the media, Limberg baby, and that our history sets

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Speaker 2: the context for the future. It suggests that past events, experiences,

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Speaker 2: a person's past is not necessarily predictive. The future can

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Speaker 2: What's Past is Prologue, and it fits today because I'm

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Speaker 2: often accused of living in the past. There's a danger

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Speaker 2: I am stubborn about spending a lot of time on

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Speaker 2: this show over the decades on history could be World history,

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Speaker 2: Minnesota sports history, right, could be any number of things

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Speaker 2: that are historic. In nature is there's value and context

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Speaker 2: it deepens one's appreciation potentially for how we got here

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Speaker 2: you've heard me say a couple times in this program,

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Speaker 2: Some of that is just sentiment. Some of that is

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Speaker 3: If you're a basketball fan of a certain vintage, or

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Speaker 3: like me, are excited for tonight. Yes, Boston and Philadelphia,

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Speaker 4: I'm more interested in the present. Tyrese Max is off

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Speaker 4: Meanwhile, Jaylen Brown is trying to make his mark as

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Speaker 4: It's the Celtics and the seventy six ers the NBA

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Speaker 2: And guess what, if you're a kid, maybe you say, man,

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Speaker 2: you can't manufacture history. Some teams haven't been around long

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Speaker 2: I think more networks, more TV producers should steal from

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Speaker 2: But here's the key fleshing it out more than just that,

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Speaker 2: Give me a piece of that rivalry, give me some names,

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Speaker 5: I'm doing great? Dan, how are you.

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Speaker 2: We're doing very well, Thank you very much. I'm going

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Speaker 2: what did you see last week? What do you see?

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Speaker 2: In general? We know he's going to play, we know

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Speaker 5: He hasn't got a lot of work.

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Speaker 5: I know he's played some games this year, but you know.

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Speaker 1: He's he's still a rookie in essence because this he's

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Speaker 5: And the numbers, so I try to stay away, but

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Speaker 5: And this team should not be an under five hundred

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Speaker 1: First thing that comes down to my mind is he's

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Speaker 1: first got to Minnesota that rich and Wade's cadence were

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Speaker 1: a little different than mine because how I've learned it,

431
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Speaker 1: we just did it different. And so like a lot

432
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Speaker 1: of times when I when a hat sc our hardcat

433
00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:09,480
Speaker 1: like to get people off, it was hot, hot hot.

434
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Speaker 1: We would hesitate sometimes between one and two and where

435
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Speaker 1: I've been previously, instead of a lot of times now

436
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Speaker 1: if you're going on three, you'll roll one.

437
00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:18,480
Speaker 5: And two together.

438
00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:21,960
Speaker 1: It'll be hot hot hot like that instead of hut,

439
00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:24,800
Speaker 1: so a slight hesitation those guys were white. Nothing that

440
00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:28,000
Speaker 1: they're leaning and so I literally and so this is great.

441
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Speaker 1: The asses is listening to him. It was down set

442
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Speaker 1: like black kidway hot hot. I mean you're like rolling

443
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Speaker 1: into it. So the center should be rolling, you know,

444
00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:38,199
Speaker 1: doing this stuff, and you're getting used to stamping it.

445
00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:41,000
Speaker 1: When we were there, milk, just a loud of milk,

446
00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:42,919
Speaker 1: just it was like he'd be on two, he'd be

447
00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:45,680
Speaker 1: stamping it on one because we had we'd roll one

448
00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:47,960
Speaker 1: into two so quickly you do it and go good.

449
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Speaker 5: If you listen to Cadence now, like when Marino was

450
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Speaker 5: calling her, when Aaron Rodge points Mike right, five eighty

451
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Speaker 5: five minutes hot.

452
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Speaker 1: I mean, you really don't hear them all until it's

453
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Speaker 1: if it's on the third one it's not hot, and

454
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Speaker 1: then hesitation, then the third one and you hope somebody

455
00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:04,720
Speaker 1: jumps and get them off side. And if you can't

456
00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:08,119
Speaker 1: get the cadence down right, as grown adults coaches players

457
00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:11,680
Speaker 1: tackle quarterback the starting quarterball, then you know what now

458
00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:14,199
Speaker 1: that he's the starter, they got to adjust to him,

459
00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:16,480
Speaker 1: which is a bummer, I know that, but he's also

460
00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:18,679
Speaker 1: got to make it to where knowing how hard the

461
00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:21,800
Speaker 1: job is for the guys up front. You want them

462
00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:23,760
Speaker 1: to get off. It's only to your advantage. So you

463
00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:26,200
Speaker 1: can't always go on one. But you got to talk

464
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Speaker 1: to them and go in their meeting room and say

465
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Speaker 1: what cans do you like when we're going on three D?

466
00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:32,600
Speaker 1: You like roll the first two together hesitation or do

467
00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:36,040
Speaker 1: you like had? I mean you want to ask them.

468
00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:38,840
Speaker 1: And if that fails and you're not practicing a hell,

469
00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:41,600
Speaker 1: if something's not working, got to practice it, then you

470
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Speaker 1: better go to the old college high school days and

471
00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:46,880
Speaker 1: the gun where you're clapping, or if you're under center

472
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Speaker 1: you're going on a silent count, or you're and get

473
00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:52,679
Speaker 1: your have to do this at home. Another thing, this

474
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Speaker 1: is elementary school stuff, Dan, This should not be happening.

475
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Speaker 1: One is you shouldn't get eight.

476
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Speaker 5: I don't care if there's four hundred thousand people that

477
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:00,639
Speaker 5: have led Zepp when Coner.

478
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Speaker 1: You can't jump off side eight times, let alone eight

479
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Speaker 1: times in your own b building.

480
00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:08,040
Speaker 5: So yeah, you just can't.

481
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Speaker 1: So he's got to either adjust his cadence. They have

482
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Speaker 1: to learn to get back to hearing his voice, you know.

483
00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:16,720
Speaker 1: And I'll guarant asked he that he and Carson Wentz

484
00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:18,760
Speaker 1: had something a little different in there, whether it's a

485
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Speaker 1: deeper voice, a higher voice, or the timing of it.

486
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Speaker 5: But if that's not working by about the fourth one.

487
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Speaker 1: You know what I would have done, honest to God,

488
00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:27,560
Speaker 1: if I was Kevin or that, I have said, listen,

489
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Speaker 1: we're going on on silent count. Quarterback, the guard's going

490
00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:35,359
Speaker 1: to touch him, he's going to look back to one

491
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Speaker 1: thousand and one.

492
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Speaker 5: Hesitate, well, going on movement.

493
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Speaker 1: That's what you do when it's a hostile environment and

494
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Speaker 1: postseason or something.

495
00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:42,440
Speaker 5: So you got to learn to adjust.

496
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Speaker 1: You can't have seventh graders understanding cadence better than that,

497
00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:49,080
Speaker 1: and that you know, like like Penalley's on on a

498
00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:52,920
Speaker 1: nice return or backseat up and then they were just

499
00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:55,840
Speaker 1: it felt like they were chasing swimming upstream the whole time.

500
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Speaker 5: And then the quarterback is young.

501
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Speaker 1: You're trying to be a hero, and next thing you know,

502
00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:02,600
Speaker 1: you're also playing against a team who is on fire

503
00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:05,880
Speaker 1: right now. And Lamar just didn't. Lamar look bored, and

504
00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:08,040
Speaker 1: I like that kind of look like, you know what,

505
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:10,320
Speaker 1: this is easy. Just hit the ball to the check down.

506
00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:12,520
Speaker 1: I'll get out of bounds. Not going to take the hit.

507
00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:13,840
Speaker 1: Oh there's that dig route.

508
00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:14,360
Speaker 5: Let me hit that.

509
00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:18,400
Speaker 1: He he looked bored, which goes back to everything's moving urgently,

510
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:21,840
Speaker 1: but from the waist up and like this guy's like

511
00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:24,240
Speaker 1: smoking a cigar in the pocket. It's just it's just

512
00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:27,000
Speaker 1: it's pretty easy for us. But that's because the mind

513
00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:29,840
Speaker 1: he already has a pretty good idea what you're trying

514
00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:33,600
Speaker 1: to do. And that's against a a defense that is

515
00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:35,280
Speaker 1: changes a lot of fronts.

516
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Speaker 5: Yes, you know me, minnes it gives you a lot

517
00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:37,600
Speaker 5: of looks.

518
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:40,880
Speaker 1: So you've got to you've got to silence that by

519
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:44,560
Speaker 1: just playing calm football. They looked frantic last week, and

520
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:46,080
Speaker 1: even though it was close and they were within a

521
00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:48,560
Speaker 1: score late, I mean, they just looked a little frantic.

522
00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:51,120
Speaker 1: The other one looked like, we got this the whole time.

523
00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:52,880
Speaker 1: Don't you worry. We're going to take care of business.

524
00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:55,480
Speaker 1: And and they felt like the vikings were flowing upstream

525
00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:57,600
Speaker 1: that that you know, in a in a nice fishing,

526
00:29:58,440 --> 00:29:59,960
Speaker 1: nice fishing river there in Minnesota.

527
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Speaker 2: It's a bit of a broken record, but because of

528
00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:04,600
Speaker 2: the circumstances of this game, I want to go back

529
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Speaker 2: over it. I'm looking at the box score, Aaron. If

530
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Speaker 2: you take McCarthy's rushes out because he had five carries

531
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Speaker 2: for forty eight. Leave those aside, though, because quarterback is

532
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:16,720
Speaker 2: always kind of in a different category because often those

533
00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:22,040
Speaker 2: are not planned runs. Aaron Jones nine carries forty seven yards,

534
00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:26,080
Speaker 2: Jordan Mason four for twenty five. So the two running

535
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Speaker 2: backs together ran thirteen times and averaged five and a

536
00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:34,800
Speaker 2: half yards of carry. That just doesn't make sense to me. Now,

537
00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:36,400
Speaker 2: I get it in the fourth quarter, when you get

538
00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:39,680
Speaker 2: down fourteen or fifteen, at some point you got to

539
00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:43,600
Speaker 2: let it loose a little bit. But it just keeps going. Seohan,

540
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Speaker 2: I don't get why he's the one Shanahan disciple who

541
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Speaker 2: doesn't seem to get it. All the other ones never

542
00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:58,040
Speaker 2: forget about running the ball, and he still hasn't figured

543
00:30:58,040 --> 00:30:59,080
Speaker 2: it out. It's bizarre to me.

544
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:01,960
Speaker 1: And you know what, like getting under center in the gun,

545
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:04,440
Speaker 1: and I know he did that in college. But to

546
00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:06,800
Speaker 1: the point, I was talking on my show about this,

547
00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:09,160
Speaker 1: and then my co host decided, I'm going to look

548
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:10,520
Speaker 1: something up because a couple of days before, I said,

549
00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:12,400
Speaker 1: you know, getting under center and in the gun, mixing

550
00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:15,680
Speaker 1: both in YEP are really important because the run game

551
00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:19,120
Speaker 1: and you can do more bandwidth, right you know that

552
00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:21,320
Speaker 1: four of the five teams are all Super Bowl contenders,

553
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Speaker 1: and mcveigh's one of those guys.

554
00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:25,040
Speaker 5: We know Shanahan's background. They're not in the county.

555
00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:28,920
Speaker 1: But for the top five of almost like a forty

556
00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:32,640
Speaker 1: seven fifty three split under center in the gun, that

557
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:34,400
Speaker 1: leads to you can do both.

558
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:36,640
Speaker 5: You're more versatile. Right, four of those teams.

559
00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:38,800
Speaker 1: The only one that's not the admerration of like four

560
00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:41,240
Speaker 1: of the best teams in the league is the Kansas

561
00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:44,320
Speaker 1: City Chiefs. Now, they played more sideways screen football than

562
00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:46,720
Speaker 1: anybody in the league. They're near the top, so they

563
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:48,720
Speaker 1: use that as an extension of the run. So you're

564
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:51,520
Speaker 1: one hundred percent right. Kevin's a smart guy and every

565
00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:55,880
Speaker 1: every Shanahan slash McVay guy, they want to run it

566
00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:58,560
Speaker 1: just like Mike Shanahan the dad did and dominates.

567
00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:00,320
Speaker 5: You didn't matter who the back was. We're committed to it.

568
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:03,040
Speaker 1: And when you're averaging five yards of carry, you don't

569
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Speaker 1: abandon that. And I would even make the argument, I

570
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:07,760
Speaker 1: know when you get late, like inside three minutes to go,

571
00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:09,520
Speaker 1: you got to drop back and throw it. Every time

572
00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:12,080
Speaker 1: I get that, But to me, in the fourth quarter

573
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:14,239
Speaker 1: in this league, or in any league being down by

574
00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:16,800
Speaker 1: a score or two, there's no panic needed.

575
00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:19,480
Speaker 5: It's one, three and out. You go score it. You

576
00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:20,040
Speaker 5: can still.

577
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:22,480
Speaker 1: You don't have to abandon it now, now do Baltimore,

578
00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:24,400
Speaker 1: If I'm not mistaken, they ran.

579
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Speaker 2: Close to forty times, that's correct.

580
00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:29,240
Speaker 1: Almost close to thirty six thirty eight rushers. I can't

581
00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:31,160
Speaker 1: as I'm watching the game and thirty.

582
00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:33,000
Speaker 2: One carries one hundred and fifty two yards.

583
00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:33,520
Speaker 5: There you go.

584
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:36,640
Speaker 1: And that's that's the And in dire times or even

585
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:39,360
Speaker 1: on third and five before, they had no problem running it.

586
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:41,240
Speaker 1: And that's I'm not even just talking about with the quarterback.

587
00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:43,520
Speaker 1: I'm talking about with their run game, because it's not

588
00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:46,400
Speaker 1: like Lamar ran it seventeen times or for one hundred

589
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:49,240
Speaker 1: and sixty yards. So I know the thread of him

590
00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:53,360
Speaker 1: always is a problem, but I just I don't understand.

591
00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:56,560
Speaker 1: You're not going to win football games in this league

592
00:32:57,160 --> 00:33:00,520
Speaker 1: if you're lucky one out of twenty. But unless you

593
00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:02,520
Speaker 1: have one of those days where it's like, you know,

594
00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:04,680
Speaker 1: all your backs are hurt, you've got Dan Marino throwing

595
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:06,680
Speaker 1: it fifty times and he's used to it, You're not

596
00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:09,560
Speaker 1: winning in the league running it less than half the

597
00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:11,479
Speaker 1: amount of times as the other team. And you know

598
00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:15,720
Speaker 1: my affinity for this stat. It's a yempt yes every time.

599
00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:18,440
Speaker 1: I say it all the time. No matter what, if

600
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:21,400
Speaker 1: you average three yards of carry and had twenty eight attempts,

601
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:24,280
Speaker 1: you'd be closer to a victory than if you ran

602
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:27,400
Speaker 1: it eighteen times for one hundred and sixty yards. I'm

603
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:30,000
Speaker 1: just telling you you would yeap just because of the club,

604
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:33,720
Speaker 1: and you're also limiting possessions. And it just to me

605
00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:35,880
Speaker 1: for the other team. If you're doing it right and

606
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:39,440
Speaker 1: at five yards of carry, you would have gotten three

607
00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:41,440
Speaker 1: or four more first downs, which is what eight to

608
00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:43,120
Speaker 1: ten to twelve more plays, depending on.

609
00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:45,920
Speaker 5: How you do with those series. So I don't get the.

610
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:50,360
Speaker 1: Math, and I don't know why, and all you're doing

611
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:53,240
Speaker 1: by not running it is putting more burden on a

612
00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:57,400
Speaker 1: quarterback who's still under a rookie amount of games and

613
00:33:57,480 --> 00:33:59,640
Speaker 1: he's not ready for that. I know he can throw it,

614
00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:02,320
Speaker 1: he'll get better because he was accurate at Michigan. He

615
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:04,680
Speaker 1: is not ready to get into a passing fancy for

616
00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:06,880
Speaker 1: the most part. The game he won when they came

617
00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:09,960
Speaker 1: back early in the year. Dam is you know what

618
00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:13,680
Speaker 1: is the first one when he came. Yeah, he didn't

619
00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:16,279
Speaker 1: throw up very well. I mean they would at that

620
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:18,480
Speaker 1: point in time. You programmed your mind and say, okay,

621
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:20,480
Speaker 1: let me go out now I know I'm throwing Now,

622
00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:22,080
Speaker 1: let's just go play street yard football.

623
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Speaker 5: Let it rip.

624
00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:25,080
Speaker 1: You're now you're not squeezing the ball hard and brings

625
00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:27,279
Speaker 1: them back in and has that great you know, into

626
00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:30,000
Speaker 1: the game, fourth quarter and there they go. You can't

627
00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:33,920
Speaker 1: live there. Mahomes ain't living there anymore. Alan's not living there.

628
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:37,120
Speaker 1: Look at Buffalo trying to explain them losing to Miami,

629
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:39,480
Speaker 1: Like I said, that couldn't beat anybody in a pillow fight,

630
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:42,840
Speaker 1: let alone a fist fight. So and but the Minnesota

631
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:46,560
Speaker 1: Vikings are their lack of commitment to the run game,

632
00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:49,799
Speaker 1: even when it's successful, is one of the league's more

633
00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:51,400
Speaker 1: baffling situations.

634
00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:53,480
Speaker 2: Well, you know, I got and I get this text

635
00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:55,880
Speaker 2: every time we talk about this, the comeback, and I

636
00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:58,640
Speaker 2: think even O'Connell talked about a little bit after the game. Well,

637
00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:01,320
Speaker 2: if you're if you got a false start and first

638
00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:04,600
Speaker 2: and ten becomes first and fifteen, it's harder to run.

639
00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:07,880
Speaker 2: And I grant it's a little harder to do anything

640
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:10,880
Speaker 2: at first and fifteen. But you know what, I know

641
00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:14,440
Speaker 2: that there are teams committed enough to the run that

642
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:17,359
Speaker 2: they'll even run on second and ten and they don't

643
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:21,120
Speaker 2: expect to get the ten, but they said, let's get six, right,

644
00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:23,759
Speaker 2: let's get it to that place where we have enough

645
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:25,600
Speaker 2: confidence and then we have a chance to make a play.

646
00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:27,960
Speaker 2: So I don't even I don't even buy the premise,

647
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Speaker 2: especially in a day runs going again.

648
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Speaker 5: And I can tell you this if you get if

649
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:35,400
Speaker 5: you start showing up these analytics, which.

650
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Speaker 1: Is evidence, that's all analytics are, and these tenancies in

651
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:43,759
Speaker 1: football that on first and fifteen you have to throw

652
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:47,920
Speaker 1: every time they're going to play some kind of coverage

653
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:50,480
Speaker 1: right prevens you from throwing it even underneath, and then

654
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:51,319
Speaker 1: you're going to take a shot.

655
00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:52,280
Speaker 5: Now it's second fifteen.

656
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:56,000
Speaker 1: Yes, so I know from in my world, second elevens

657
00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:58,080
Speaker 1: easier than second fifteen. And I know this third and

658
00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:00,879
Speaker 1: six is a lot easier to third and ten. So

659
00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:03,880
Speaker 1: for me, as a matter of fact, I'll bet you

660
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:06,440
Speaker 1: there's a fairly I'll bet you there's a pretty I

661
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:08,919
Speaker 1: don't want to say alarming, but if we went over

662
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:10,240
Speaker 1: every second down.

663
00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:13,719
Speaker 5: And ten plus and I'm saying.

664
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Speaker 1: Any ball that's thrown behind the line of scrimmage or

665
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:19,919
Speaker 1: a ball handed off, I'll bet you it's a higher

666
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:22,799
Speaker 1: percentage than we would think of teams who throw it

667
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:25,320
Speaker 1: behind the line of scrimmage or run it on second

668
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:26,480
Speaker 1: and ten plus.

669
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Speaker 5: So you're first and fifteen, okay.

670
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Speaker 1: So by throwing it all the time and getting away

671
00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:34,040
Speaker 1: from it, aren't you basically telling your team I don't

672
00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:36,040
Speaker 1: trust you to get me four yards back. And if

673
00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:38,160
Speaker 1: you're trying to get fifteen yards on one run on

674
00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:41,120
Speaker 1: first and fifteen, you probably need to take two weeks

675
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Speaker 1: off and quit, because that doesn't usually happen either. Very

676
00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:47,080
Speaker 1: Barry Sander's name Eric Dickerson aren't on the field right now,

677
00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:48,960
Speaker 1: so and even they wouldn't do it then.

678
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:50,239
Speaker 5: But I can tell you this.

679
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:53,719
Speaker 1: My math tells me four and six gets me to

680
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:56,040
Speaker 1: third and five, which is manageable.

681
00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:57,359
Speaker 5: And now I can still run it.

682
00:36:57,640 --> 00:36:59,960
Speaker 1: I can throw it, or I can get to four

683
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:02,480
Speaker 1: four than one on their side of the field, and

684
00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:03,520
Speaker 1: it's a four down.

685
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:05,000
Speaker 5: So to me.

686
00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:07,239
Speaker 1: And that's a coming from a quarterback who'd like to

687
00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:09,239
Speaker 1: throw it ninety times games play because I want to

688
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:13,680
Speaker 1: throw it, But if you want to win eighteen attempts

689
00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:17,280
Speaker 1: minus the quarterbacks five to thirteen attempts will not beat

690
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:19,719
Speaker 1: the New Orleans Saints in an NFL game.

691
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:23,239
Speaker 5: Oh, by the way, the Saints beat Carolina. There you go.

692
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:25,239
Speaker 5: There it is ext the quarterback right.

693
00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:27,440
Speaker 2: Let me ask you about there was a third and

694
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Speaker 2: one play where my inclination generally is to defend the

695
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:38,400
Speaker 2: call that O'Connell made. This was at the start of

696
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:41,680
Speaker 2: the second half, third and one around the fifty might

697
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:45,799
Speaker 2: have been a little bit further into Baltimore territory, and

698
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:49,680
Speaker 2: that's the play that ends up. JJ stumbles, it ends

699
00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:55,480
Speaker 2: up being an interception, and his The O'Connell point after

700
00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:57,880
Speaker 2: the game was, I'm going forward on fourth down. In

701
00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:00,560
Speaker 2: other words, if it's an incomplete pass on third and one,

702
00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:04,720
Speaker 2: if the play we have where they did actually single

703
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:08,000
Speaker 2: up JJ, which was unusual, if it, you know, if

704
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:10,279
Speaker 2: it doesn't work it's incomplete, we're going for it. I

705
00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:11,960
Speaker 2: got a good run play called on fourth and one.

706
00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:14,879
Speaker 2: I usually defend that. As long as I know you're

707
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:17,840
Speaker 2: gonna run it on fourth, you're gonna keep going on fourth.

708
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:20,120
Speaker 2: It can be a good passing down. On the other hand,

709
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:24,520
Speaker 2: I say Baltimore's gotten back in the game and you're

710
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:26,520
Speaker 2: starting to lose control of it a little bit. Are

711
00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:29,360
Speaker 2: you better off getting another damn first down? I don't know,

712
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:30,400
Speaker 2: how do you feel about that?

713
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:34,319
Speaker 1: I would have ran it twice and if I can't

714
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:36,600
Speaker 1: get and I would have, I would have flipped it.

715
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:39,680
Speaker 1: I would have because on fourth and one, I.

716
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Speaker 5: Think teams, oh, yeah, pretty much know you're gonna run it.

717
00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:45,200
Speaker 1: I think on third and one they're looking at you

718
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:48,160
Speaker 1: at times and saying, this could be bootleg naked boot

719
00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:50,680
Speaker 1: play action, you know, try to get one out there.

720
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:53,560
Speaker 1: And I don't ever now, I don't want a quarterback

721
00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:55,920
Speaker 1: to play scared. You've got to have some guts. But

722
00:38:56,840 --> 00:38:59,040
Speaker 1: I've never understood, like on a fourth and one at

723
00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:01,640
Speaker 1: midfield and you're you're buck thirty to go and us

724
00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:03,640
Speaker 1: to see it on Saturdays, to see it on Sundays,

725
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:07,160
Speaker 1: a guy will throw a fade route, a low percentage

726
00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:09,279
Speaker 1: fade route that lands out of bounds on fourth and one,

727
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:11,439
Speaker 1: and I know this was third now, but I'm talking

728
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:13,600
Speaker 1: about a four or push the ball down the field

729
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:16,400
Speaker 1: in tight coverage, man, because it's man, you take a shot.

730
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:18,560
Speaker 1: I get it, But that goes back into the IQ

731
00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:21,640
Speaker 1: of the football iqu of understand the situation of a

732
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:25,040
Speaker 1: game down two touchdowns, Jefferson man coverage.

733
00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:26,680
Speaker 5: I'm backed up at Mount on twenty five. It's third

734
00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:27,000
Speaker 5: and one.

735
00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:29,200
Speaker 1: Hell, I don't have problem taking a shot or like

736
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:31,200
Speaker 1: that in a buff going anyway, do it. But I

737
00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 1: cross midfield, we'll get the first out of I'll get

738
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:36,880
Speaker 1: another shot to take a fade, they'll play man again,

739
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:39,799
Speaker 1: or a ball that's pushed down the field, even a

740
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:41,680
Speaker 1: comeback or a dig run. It's just not on a

741
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:43,640
Speaker 1: high percentage. That doesn't mean to play scared. Just don't

742
00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:47,000
Speaker 1: play stupid, which was a great Tom Moore suggestioned all

743
00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:49,359
Speaker 1: of us. Don't play scared, just don't play stupid. How

744
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:53,759
Speaker 1: stupid is, in my opinion, putting your quarterback and where

745
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:56,440
Speaker 1: you see it and automatically you pre snap read it

746
00:39:56,440 --> 00:39:58,440
Speaker 1: and you say, you know what, I'm throwing it, regardless

747
00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:00,600
Speaker 1: of the coverage, because now all we got same. Now,

748
00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:04,399
Speaker 1: while JJ makes it a higher percentage because he's so good,

749
00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:07,520
Speaker 1: but let me secure the first down first, especially in

750
00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:10,239
Speaker 1: that situation of the game. And I know circumstances called

751
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:12,719
Speaker 1: I would have flipped it. If I was gonna, I

752
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:16,000
Speaker 1: would have ran it on third down. And if I didn't,

753
00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:18,680
Speaker 1: if they were everybody's pinsioning it, and then I would

754
00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:21,040
Speaker 1: have naked booted and given my guy or pushed him

755
00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:24,320
Speaker 1: to the edge. Given my guy run past option, I

756
00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:26,359
Speaker 1: would have flooded it. I would have given McCarthy the ball,

757
00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:29,840
Speaker 1: chance to get the edge, dive at the pylon, or

758
00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:33,040
Speaker 1: throw the football or make something happen. But on third down,

759
00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:36,480
Speaker 1: now you're forced, man, oh no, game, that's fourth in

760
00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:38,640
Speaker 1: the yard. Now, well, I guess I could punt and

761
00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:40,120
Speaker 1: try to back them up, or what if it goes

762
00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:42,400
Speaker 1: to the inland? So I know I'm going for so

763
00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:46,279
Speaker 1: in this league, and I know what happens weekly. But

764
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:50,479
Speaker 1: if I can't move the pile two plays for a yard,

765
00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:53,279
Speaker 1: then I'm probably not good enough to win much. That's

766
00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:55,080
Speaker 1: what and that's that's the craziness.

767
00:40:55,239 --> 00:40:56,120
Speaker 5: But I also know this.

768
00:40:58,160 --> 00:40:59,920
Speaker 1: If if I'm going to throw it and I get Jeffers,

769
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:03,200
Speaker 1: well let me put the ball on Jefferson's hand some

770
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:05,839
Speaker 1: other one I don't know. Can we jet sweep them

771
00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:07,600
Speaker 1: like we used to do with Mac? I don't you

772
00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:09,600
Speaker 1: know the edge? If they're pinching in and all the

773
00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:12,920
Speaker 1: quarterbacks sneak, that's for you know, I didn't watch their

774
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:15,120
Speaker 1: game plan or all the cutups going into the week,

775
00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:17,680
Speaker 1: so knowing what they're doing on their six two short

776
00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:20,040
Speaker 1: yardage and goal line as you prepare what you're going

777
00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:22,880
Speaker 1: to put in. But I've always believed that that if

778
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:24,279
Speaker 1: we can't get if I can't get two yards with

779
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:27,840
Speaker 1: Zimmerman and McDaniel, then we then we're not very good. Secondly,

780
00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:30,720
Speaker 1: i'm talking about when we play now with those second

781
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:33,240
Speaker 1: and also on the other side of it, is okay,

782
00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:36,040
Speaker 1: if you're using a waist down, there's a time for

783
00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:36,640
Speaker 1: a waist down.

784
00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:38,440
Speaker 5: You're going to go four downs. You're at their thirty

785
00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:41,360
Speaker 5: five or forty got three. But I can't.

786
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:45,160
Speaker 1: I can't waste it down on third and one and

787
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:45,759
Speaker 1: fourth and one.

788
00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:47,920
Speaker 5: And it was hugely fut I hope you know what

789
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:49,080
Speaker 5: I'm saying.

790
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:53,080
Speaker 1: I'd prefer to secure the first down other than take

791
00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:56,280
Speaker 1: a low percentage or take a shot and a chance.

792
00:41:56,680 --> 00:41:59,839
Speaker 1: Now we get the first down, the first and ten,

793
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:02,839
Speaker 1: take a shot, that's okay, just be smart with the ball,

794
00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:03,479
Speaker 1: take a shot.

795
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:04,160
Speaker 5: Second.

796
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:07,000
Speaker 1: But man, then you know the struggle. You know they

797
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:09,560
Speaker 1: haven't run the ball a ton. You know it's Baltimore

798
00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:11,680
Speaker 1: starting to get hot man. Let me just take the

799
00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:13,760
Speaker 1: ball out of that other dude's hands on the other side,

800
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:15,920
Speaker 1: and let me push a pile and get my jumbo

801
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:19,239
Speaker 1: people in and let's let's let's at least or run

802
00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:22,439
Speaker 1: some play action and let JJ have the two way

803
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:24,600
Speaker 1: go on an option, even if it's two plays in

804
00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:26,680
Speaker 1: a row. And I know we see it all the time,

805
00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:29,080
Speaker 1: but then it comes down to how physical are you?

806
00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:33,160
Speaker 1: I just and Kevin's a smart guy, but there are

807
00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:35,520
Speaker 1: head scratching moments that I think, what are we trying

808
00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:38,799
Speaker 1: to get done here? Especially when you've averaged at the

809
00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:41,160
Speaker 1: end of the game. You're putting up half a first

810
00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:42,759
Speaker 1: down for Carrie on thirteen of them.

811
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:44,399
Speaker 2: All Right, we only have about a minute left because

812
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:46,240
Speaker 2: I've got Mike Conley here at the top of the hour.

813
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:48,560
Speaker 2: But I want to get this in this These are

814
00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:54,000
Speaker 2: comments from Justin Jefferson today. I'm quoting Kevin Seaffert, who's

815
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:56,520
Speaker 2: a regular on our show Covers the Bitings for ESPN.

816
00:42:57,000 --> 00:42:59,759
Speaker 2: Really interesting media session today with Justin Jefferson said he

817
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:02,800
Speaker 2: wants to get back to his quote savage and bleep

818
00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:06,239
Speaker 2: it Mode. Admitted his frustration on Sunday and addressed not

819
00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:10,960
Speaker 2: chasing players who intercepted passes. Quote, I'm not really mad

820
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:13,200
Speaker 2: at the situation that I'm in, or I'm not mad

821
00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:15,279
Speaker 2: at the players that we have or the plays that

822
00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:18,080
Speaker 2: are being called. Of course i'm mad after an interception.

823
00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:20,000
Speaker 2: You want me to be happy and go chase them down.

824
00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:23,480
Speaker 2: That's not really something that I want to happen. So,

825
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:26,520
Speaker 2: you know, even among media members, there's a bit of

826
00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:29,120
Speaker 2: a debate on whether too much is being made of

827
00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:33,359
Speaker 2: his reaction after the picks, especially because one of them

828
00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:35,680
Speaker 2: get called back anyway and he probably knew it was

829
00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:39,280
Speaker 2: down by contact, and others saying no, that's a bad vibe.

830
00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:39,520
Speaker 5: Man.

831
00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:41,680
Speaker 2: You got to you gotta go and make gotta go

832
00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:44,120
Speaker 2: ahead and make sure you're making the play. As a

833
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:48,000
Speaker 2: former player watching this stuff closely, did any of that

834
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:49,960
Speaker 2: bother you? What do you think is any of this

835
00:43:50,040 --> 00:43:52,000
Speaker 2: should almost be concerning on JJ.

836
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:54,880
Speaker 1: Listen, it does one thing you got to take into account.

837
00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:59,319
Speaker 1: Receivers are built different. Yes, I mean take a look

838
00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:01,520
Speaker 1: at aj Brown on Hey, you had fantasy, don't pick

839
00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:04,480
Speaker 1: you know, drop me from your league. I mean, receivers

840
00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:06,439
Speaker 1: want to get there, and they when they get there,

841
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:09,600
Speaker 1: sometimes even when you don't win, I'm not saying him specifically,

842
00:44:09,600 --> 00:44:12,160
Speaker 1: but receivers sometimes when they get eight catches for one

843
00:44:12,239 --> 00:44:15,439
Speaker 1: hundred and forty yards or two touchdowns and lose, they'll

844
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:17,200
Speaker 1: get over it a little quicker. Then if they get

845
00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:20,920
Speaker 1: three catches for twenty two yards and win. That's and

846
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:23,400
Speaker 1: you want that because they crave the ball. And Jefferson's

847
00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:25,560
Speaker 1: one of the five best offensive players in the world.

848
00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:27,719
Speaker 5: I get it. And as good as there is I

849
00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:29,919
Speaker 5: just the optics, man, Yeah, it doesn't matter.

850
00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:32,080
Speaker 1: You just got He's a great player, and we're not

851
00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:35,080
Speaker 1: taking that away. But great players and the special.

852
00:44:34,719 --> 00:44:37,880
Speaker 5: Ones, the unique and elite ones, which he is. But

853
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:39,959
Speaker 5: there's also I always compare hines Ward.

854
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:42,080
Speaker 1: Heines Ward made a difference in games even when he

855
00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:44,080
Speaker 1: wasn't catching the ball he'd blocked it, he'd hustle after

856
00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:45,000
Speaker 1: and go make a tackle.

857
00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:45,959
Speaker 5: That's your job.

858
00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:48,520
Speaker 1: And I know the interceptions are a bummer and they suck,

859
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:50,880
Speaker 1: but you know, just the optics to younger guys, and

860
00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:52,680
Speaker 1: do your teammates, because when you go in and watch

861
00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:55,279
Speaker 1: film the next day, the urgent part of it, you're like, oh,

862
00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:57,680
Speaker 1: it's just that player two plays. But the hard part

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Speaker 1: is when you go and watch your teammates and eleve

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Speaker 1: ten dudes are chasing it down and you're not.

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Speaker 5: It just reeks up. Oh, so this is the way

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Speaker 5: it is.

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Speaker 1: And I know he's better than that, and I would

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Speaker 1: imagine he'll chase that next time.

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Speaker 5: And you never know when you're going to be the

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Speaker 5: guy that.

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Speaker 1: Prevents a big play on an interception from a touchdown,

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Speaker 1: especially with his skill set and speed.

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Speaker 5: You have to go even if you don't want to,

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Speaker 5: and the frustration kicks in.

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Speaker 2: Got it, quick answer, without needing any explanation on why

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Speaker 2: bears Vikings, who wins?

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Speaker 1: Give me the Vikings. But Caleb Williams is improving and

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Speaker 1: he's keeping it close. He's a playmaker and he's getting

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Speaker 1: better in the pocket. You better force him off his

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Speaker 1: mark and make him go left not right.

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Speaker 2: Outstanding work again, my friend. We appreciate you. We'll talk

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Speaker 2: next week.

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Speaker 5: Thank you, buddy, appreciation.

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Speaker 2: Outstanding stuff man, really good analysis from Sean Salisbury. Let's break.

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Speaker 2: We are a little bit late and we expect to

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Speaker 2: visit with Timberwolves. Point guard Mike Conley will get caught

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Speaker 2: up on the Wolves next