1 00:00:07,080 --> 00:00:08,639 Speaker 1: Bonus Bocks is back on kfan. 2 00:00:08,720 --> 00:00:10,760 Speaker 2: We have nine chances for you'd one one thousand dollars 3 00:00:10,840 --> 00:00:13,480 Speaker 2: every weekday. It's every hour from nine am to five 4 00:00:13,560 --> 00:00:17,680 Speaker 2: pm tenurkeywords alert more at KFA dot com. 5 00:00:18,400 --> 00:00:21,240 Speaker 3: Sounds like it's the Wolves are a Peacock game tonight, 6 00:00:21,280 --> 00:00:24,800 Speaker 3: so it'll be a little later start than usual, at 7 00:00:25,000 --> 00:00:29,280 Speaker 3: about eight thirty this evening. Let's see if I can 8 00:00:29,280 --> 00:00:30,480 Speaker 3: get what I'm looking for here. 9 00:00:31,080 --> 00:00:31,600 Speaker 1: There is. 10 00:00:33,960 --> 00:00:36,919 Speaker 3: This is I don't think this has yet been confirmed, 11 00:00:37,120 --> 00:00:40,080 Speaker 3: although someone else may tell me that they have more 12 00:00:40,120 --> 00:00:45,159 Speaker 3: recent information. Wall Street Journal is reporting, and they're reporting 13 00:00:45,200 --> 00:00:49,159 Speaker 3: from Minneapolis has been outstanding. I might add, Border Patrol 14 00:00:49,240 --> 00:00:54,560 Speaker 3: Commander Gregory Bovino will imminently leave Minnesota along with some 15 00:00:54,600 --> 00:00:59,720 Speaker 3: of his agents, according to administration officials familiar with the 16 00:01:01,160 --> 00:01:03,959 Speaker 3: Is that a sign of a larger step of. 17 00:01:06,160 --> 00:01:08,399 Speaker 1: You know, backing off. I don't know. 18 00:01:08,680 --> 00:01:12,880 Speaker 3: It's a good start, one could say, based on some 19 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:16,120 Speaker 3: of the lies that he has offered up post the 20 00:01:16,560 --> 00:01:21,120 Speaker 3: killing on Saturday. But it's it's too early, I think, 21 00:01:21,240 --> 00:01:24,240 Speaker 3: maybe too to celebrate. We'll see if it's if it's 22 00:01:24,319 --> 00:01:28,240 Speaker 3: part of any sort of larger significant change in strategy. 23 00:01:28,240 --> 00:01:31,080 Speaker 3: As I said, the words this morning were more conciliatory 24 00:01:31,800 --> 00:01:33,959 Speaker 3: from the governor, I should say, from the President. I 25 00:01:33,959 --> 00:01:40,520 Speaker 3: don't know if the governor has has described the conversation 26 00:01:40,560 --> 00:01:43,039 Speaker 3: you have with the President in the same terms that 27 00:01:43,080 --> 00:01:46,120 Speaker 3: the President described that conversation or not. And there's still 28 00:01:46,600 --> 00:01:48,080 Speaker 3: to me, as always, the devil is going to be 29 00:01:48,080 --> 00:01:51,560 Speaker 3: in the details on exactly where that that might go. 30 00:01:52,360 --> 00:01:54,720 Speaker 3: But I thought that I would pass along that Wall 31 00:01:54,760 --> 00:02:00,000 Speaker 3: Street Journal report to you. 32 00:02:00,800 --> 00:02:02,040 Speaker 1: I want to follow up on. 33 00:02:02,120 --> 00:02:07,760 Speaker 3: The the Anthony Edwards deal and I'll take some text 34 00:02:07,760 --> 00:02:12,160 Speaker 3: on it. As I said at six four six eighty six, 35 00:02:13,400 --> 00:02:27,840 Speaker 3: that I'm trying to figure out again why we assume 36 00:02:29,120 --> 00:02:33,840 Speaker 3: and in many cases demand a level of knowledge and 37 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:42,320 Speaker 3: interest that I just don't generally mean that much to me. 38 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:44,720 Speaker 3: In other words, wherever I am on a given position, 39 00:02:45,080 --> 00:02:49,600 Speaker 3: on a given story, a given set of circumstances, I 40 00:02:49,840 --> 00:02:54,639 Speaker 3: just I've said this before, the idea that this goes back, 41 00:02:54,880 --> 00:02:57,840 Speaker 3: I guess. So the whole role model thing, it's it's 42 00:02:58,280 --> 00:03:01,000 Speaker 3: for athletes, you know, in terms of making sure they 43 00:03:01,600 --> 00:03:05,600 Speaker 3: weigh in on whatever the urgent subject is of the day, 44 00:03:05,720 --> 00:03:09,160 Speaker 3: and to me, the dishonesty of it, the intellectual dishonesty 45 00:03:09,240 --> 00:03:12,600 Speaker 3: of it is that what you're really saying most of 46 00:03:12,639 --> 00:03:15,280 Speaker 3: the time is if I could believe that you meant. 47 00:03:15,080 --> 00:03:15,600 Speaker 1: What you said. 48 00:03:16,680 --> 00:03:20,120 Speaker 3: I just like when athletes weigh in on various subjects 49 00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:26,320 Speaker 3: of importance, and by the way, I'll respect it even 50 00:03:26,360 --> 00:03:28,760 Speaker 3: if I disagree with the position that they've taken. 51 00:03:29,320 --> 00:03:30,200 Speaker 1: I might accept that. 52 00:03:30,280 --> 00:03:33,680 Speaker 3: But I don't believe most people who get as worked 53 00:03:33,720 --> 00:03:37,360 Speaker 3: up as they do over let's say what Anthony Edwards 54 00:03:37,400 --> 00:03:39,800 Speaker 3: did or didn't say, that that's what they mean. What 55 00:03:40,120 --> 00:03:44,040 Speaker 3: they're honest with themselves. What they mean is I need 56 00:03:44,920 --> 00:03:49,400 Speaker 3: you to speak up and to say to articulate my rage, 57 00:03:50,080 --> 00:03:55,680 Speaker 3: to articulate my view on whatever the issue is. And 58 00:03:56,320 --> 00:04:03,320 Speaker 3: there's something so preposterous about putting that much power in 59 00:04:03,400 --> 00:04:06,080 Speaker 3: the hands of people who are very good with a 60 00:04:06,080 --> 00:04:09,240 Speaker 3: basketball or a football or a baseball whatever or or 61 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:13,640 Speaker 3: or uh you know, uh serving a uh you know, 62 00:04:13,680 --> 00:04:16,960 Speaker 3: with a tennis racket, serving it a tent, whatever it is. 63 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:20,680 Speaker 3: I don't I've never understood it. I know they have 64 00:04:21,279 --> 00:04:26,880 Speaker 3: outsized I guess standing, which means that they are in 65 00:04:26,920 --> 00:04:30,320 Speaker 3: a position where if they speak, there are they're going 66 00:04:30,360 --> 00:04:31,240 Speaker 3: to be heard. 67 00:04:32,240 --> 00:04:35,880 Speaker 1: That part I think has has happened. 68 00:04:35,880 --> 00:04:41,680 Speaker 3: But it's it's just it's it's very strange how we 69 00:04:41,680 --> 00:04:43,520 Speaker 3: got to this place, because I don't think it's healthy, 70 00:04:44,560 --> 00:04:47,440 Speaker 3: because I just don't think we should ever put that 71 00:04:47,600 --> 00:04:50,920 Speaker 3: much authority in in in the figures of people who, 72 00:04:50,960 --> 00:04:52,479 Speaker 3: as I said, are good. 73 00:04:52,839 --> 00:04:53,400 Speaker 1: I'd say the. 74 00:04:53,360 --> 00:04:58,360 Speaker 3: Same thing about an actor or a musician. Now again, 75 00:04:58,400 --> 00:05:01,960 Speaker 3: if you go back over the decades, our conversations with 76 00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:03,800 Speaker 3: Robert Smith call the way back to when I was 77 00:05:03,800 --> 00:05:06,560 Speaker 3: a writer and he was one of my favorite people 78 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:08,040 Speaker 3: to go to when important. 79 00:05:07,720 --> 00:05:10,520 Speaker 1: Issues of to day came up. I was all for it. 80 00:05:11,080 --> 00:05:14,000 Speaker 3: I liked listening to him because I think he thought 81 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:16,160 Speaker 3: about these things and had interesting things to say. I 82 00:05:16,160 --> 00:05:18,040 Speaker 3: didn't always agree with him. A lot in our audience, 83 00:05:18,080 --> 00:05:19,520 Speaker 3: by the way, over the years have not always agreed 84 00:05:19,520 --> 00:05:22,280 Speaker 3: with him, especially some of his opinions on law enforcement. 85 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:25,440 Speaker 3: So I'm not here to say I didn't like it, 86 00:05:25,640 --> 00:05:27,880 Speaker 3: But I just don't think. I think people are dishonest 87 00:05:28,520 --> 00:05:32,200 Speaker 3: about what they mean when they say I want him 88 00:05:32,240 --> 00:05:35,400 Speaker 3: to speak up more. No, you want him to speak 89 00:05:35,480 --> 00:05:38,040 Speaker 3: up more on behalf of whatever the cause is, And 90 00:05:38,200 --> 00:05:40,400 Speaker 3: right now it's a pretty significant cause. I'd be the 91 00:05:40,400 --> 00:05:43,880 Speaker 3: first to tell you in this case, but it's a 92 00:05:43,920 --> 00:05:49,000 Speaker 3: more general belief of I just wish there, as I said, 93 00:05:49,040 --> 00:05:52,360 Speaker 3: there'd be a little more intellectual honesty about that sort 94 00:05:52,400 --> 00:05:57,440 Speaker 3: of thing. In any case, let's do this. We got 95 00:05:57,480 --> 00:05:59,560 Speaker 3: bonus bucks, Let's go ahead and do it. We'll get those. 96 00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:02,680 Speaker 3: We'll try to stay somewhat on schedule. What we're probably 97 00:06:02,680 --> 00:06:06,400 Speaker 3: gonna do on air production meeting. We have I think 98 00:06:06,440 --> 00:06:07,800 Speaker 3: two segments of Andy Lueger. 99 00:06:07,880 --> 00:06:10,400 Speaker 1: Is that correct? I think we have one big one. Well, 100 00:06:10,440 --> 00:06:11,880 Speaker 1: we can. 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It 127 00:07:26,360 --> 00:07:31,120 Speaker 3: really wasn't. It was a complete and utter we call 128 00:07:31,160 --> 00:07:34,120 Speaker 3: it in the business a clerical error. I just don't 129 00:07:34,160 --> 00:07:37,640 Speaker 3: know how to undo it, you know, because I probably 130 00:07:37,640 --> 00:07:40,760 Speaker 3: don't know the best form of or how to work 131 00:07:40,840 --> 00:07:43,360 Speaker 3: this system all that well. But I'm sure you'll be 132 00:07:43,440 --> 00:07:46,320 Speaker 3: right on it, Bradshawn Brian caffe In. Text line is 133 00:07:46,360 --> 00:07:51,680 Speaker 3: open at six four six eight six six five one 134 00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:53,320 Speaker 3: guy Rights. We care about our local teams and the 135 00:07:53,360 --> 00:07:55,520 Speaker 3: athletes who play for them. We feel they represent us. 136 00:07:56,800 --> 00:07:58,840 Speaker 3: When they succeed, we feel we have succeeded. We are 137 00:07:58,840 --> 00:08:01,280 Speaker 3: crushed when they fail. That's when the community is hurting. 138 00:08:01,320 --> 00:08:03,680 Speaker 3: We want to know that the athletes are hurting as well. 139 00:08:04,080 --> 00:08:05,680 Speaker 3: We want to believe that they're one of us. It's 140 00:08:05,840 --> 00:08:10,040 Speaker 3: it's a noble sentiment, and I get it on some level. 141 00:08:11,120 --> 00:08:15,000 Speaker 3: I just don't think it really reflects reality, but it 142 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:15,400 Speaker 3: it is. 143 00:08:15,760 --> 00:08:16,640 Speaker 1: I guess part of what. 144 00:08:16,800 --> 00:08:20,080 Speaker 3: Sells the notion that I'm rooting for this guy because 145 00:08:20,120 --> 00:08:26,000 Speaker 3: he plays for my team. I just I you know, 146 00:08:26,040 --> 00:08:29,280 Speaker 3: I just think there's limits to how far it can be. 147 00:08:31,240 --> 00:08:35,280 Speaker 1: Carried. We get to a few more here. We got 148 00:08:35,360 --> 00:08:36,000 Speaker 1: some time. 149 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:42,760 Speaker 3: Regarding athlete active as in my agree dam but I 150 00:08:42,800 --> 00:08:44,800 Speaker 3: think the calls for it come from how sport has 151 00:08:44,840 --> 00:08:48,160 Speaker 3: profited and promoted the notion of sport, same for unity 152 00:08:48,200 --> 00:08:49,880 Speaker 3: and bring people together. From that standpoint, I think it's 153 00:08:49,880 --> 00:08:52,559 Speaker 3: more on owners and decision makers in those organizations to 154 00:08:52,600 --> 00:08:55,960 Speaker 3: carry that stewardship and responsibility forward in their community. So 155 00:08:56,000 --> 00:08:59,800 Speaker 3: it's not just lip service and or but much more 156 00:08:59,840 --> 00:09:02,200 Speaker 3: so than an obligation or duty of any individual athlete. 157 00:09:02,240 --> 00:09:05,679 Speaker 3: Preposterous of us and arrogant to presume we should demand 158 00:09:06,240 --> 00:09:09,480 Speaker 3: they speak out. How many disingenuous people would want Ant 159 00:09:09,520 --> 00:09:11,880 Speaker 3: to speak out more until perhaps he says something like, 160 00:09:11,920 --> 00:09:13,720 Speaker 3: I actually feel ICE as a valuable tool for our 161 00:09:13,800 --> 00:09:15,800 Speaker 3: nation's law and order. I think we all just need 162 00:09:15,840 --> 00:09:17,800 Speaker 3: to take a step back and let them do their jobs. 163 00:09:18,800 --> 00:09:20,880 Speaker 3: How many people would want to start burning their number 164 00:09:20,880 --> 00:09:23,160 Speaker 3: five jerseys? Then, I mean he spoke on in the 165 00:09:23,360 --> 00:09:24,560 Speaker 3: Hope on the issue, did he not? 166 00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:25,280 Speaker 4: Oh? 167 00:09:25,360 --> 00:09:28,680 Speaker 1: But it wasn't align in alignment with your position? I 168 00:09:28,720 --> 00:09:29,319 Speaker 1: guess so. 169 00:09:33,520 --> 00:09:35,679 Speaker 3: The I feel LIKEX people expected from Ant and the 170 00:09:35,720 --> 00:09:37,360 Speaker 3: rest of the team because this topic hits home to 171 00:09:37,400 --> 00:09:39,800 Speaker 3: the people in Minnesota. Never deny that it's a it's 172 00:09:39,800 --> 00:09:49,080 Speaker 3: a very deep gut level. It's it's almost what's the word, 173 00:09:49,120 --> 00:09:52,079 Speaker 3: it's inescapable at this point the way it has played 174 00:09:52,120 --> 00:09:57,040 Speaker 3: out here, one hundred percent that indeed would be true. 175 00:09:57,040 --> 00:10:00,719 Speaker 3: Most actors and pro athletes haven'tnother home before they they 176 00:10:00,760 --> 00:10:02,719 Speaker 3: offer opinion. It's just their opinion, which they're entitled to. 177 00:10:02,840 --> 00:10:05,480 Speaker 3: The public needs to check the facts instead of jumping 178 00:10:05,480 --> 00:10:08,640 Speaker 3: on the bandwagon. Well, again, in the state we're in, 179 00:10:08,720 --> 00:10:12,000 Speaker 3: it tends to be you'll laud it if you agree 180 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:16,520 Speaker 3: with it, and not so much if you indeed, don't 181 00:10:17,440 --> 00:10:20,800 Speaker 3: cat versus ant public statements. CAT, I think is more thoughtful. 182 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:23,000 Speaker 3: By the way, seven years older, that's naturally more mature. 183 00:10:23,040 --> 00:10:25,480 Speaker 3: That's part of the point that Johnny and I were discussing. 184 00:10:26,080 --> 00:10:27,640 Speaker 3: And is twenty four and like most of his agent 185 00:10:27,679 --> 00:10:30,760 Speaker 3: myself included some fifty years ago, just don't think deeply 186 00:10:30,800 --> 00:10:34,360 Speaker 3: about those weighty issues. Here's the larger issue for me. 187 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:40,040 Speaker 3: And let's try to get beyond this particular trauma and 188 00:10:40,120 --> 00:10:40,920 Speaker 3: just talk more. 189 00:10:40,760 --> 00:10:42,040 Speaker 1: Generally that. 190 00:10:44,920 --> 00:10:49,880 Speaker 3: I my preference would be to hear from people who 191 00:10:50,520 --> 00:10:53,280 Speaker 3: think they have something to say on the subject, have 192 00:10:53,360 --> 00:10:57,160 Speaker 3: studied it. The idea of just trying to line up 193 00:10:57,240 --> 00:11:00,840 Speaker 3: as many people as possible seem phony to me. 194 00:11:01,040 --> 00:11:02,920 Speaker 1: And and we've we've learned the hard way. 195 00:11:02,960 --> 00:11:03,120 Speaker 5: You know. 196 00:11:03,200 --> 00:11:06,120 Speaker 3: Jordan, Michael Jordan used to be under siege because he 197 00:11:06,200 --> 00:11:09,040 Speaker 3: did not take that many positions. He has more recently, 198 00:11:09,080 --> 00:11:13,480 Speaker 3: but he didn't for many, many years. And I tended 199 00:11:13,600 --> 00:11:15,079 Speaker 3: Now you could say he was dodging it. You could 200 00:11:15,120 --> 00:11:18,120 Speaker 3: say it was gutless. I think part of it was 201 00:11:18,400 --> 00:11:23,960 Speaker 3: not everybody is Muhammad Ali. I mean, it defined him, 202 00:11:25,080 --> 00:11:28,520 Speaker 3: it was natural to him, it was important him. Now 203 00:11:28,520 --> 00:11:32,720 Speaker 3: he also lived in a different age, But I'm I'm 204 00:11:32,760 --> 00:11:36,680 Speaker 3: far I'm willing to accept the possibility that some people 205 00:11:36,760 --> 00:11:39,760 Speaker 3: are just might not be very good at it or 206 00:11:39,800 --> 00:11:45,000 Speaker 3: interested in it, or good at articulating whatever it is, 207 00:11:45,840 --> 00:11:49,800 Speaker 3: whatever that you know that that particular controversy might be. 208 00:11:50,280 --> 00:11:51,600 Speaker 1: Celebrity opinions mean nothing. 209 00:11:53,760 --> 00:11:56,760 Speaker 3: Why do you whind about ice but ignores systematic issues 210 00:11:56,800 --> 00:12:00,959 Speaker 3: around immigration? The mental if you're not with me or 211 00:12:00,960 --> 00:12:04,920 Speaker 3: against me is one of the things killing this country. 212 00:12:06,080 --> 00:12:07,760 Speaker 3: NPR just start of conversation with Walls that he had 213 00:12:07,760 --> 00:12:10,080 Speaker 3: a productive phone call with Trump or portotal Walls that 214 00:12:10,120 --> 00:12:13,160 Speaker 3: Bavino was going to be removed immediately. Walls was surprised 215 00:12:13,160 --> 00:12:15,800 Speaker 3: and said, quote, that shows that the president is making 216 00:12:15,840 --> 00:12:23,280 Speaker 3: good on our call. If he care to you before 217 00:12:23,320 --> 00:12:25,160 Speaker 3: threughout his opinion, having to prompt his stance is what's 218 00:12:25,160 --> 00:12:28,800 Speaker 3: wrong with society. Well, it does create the possibility that 219 00:12:28,800 --> 00:12:31,240 Speaker 3: he didn't even believe it, and I'm not sure that 220 00:12:31,280 --> 00:12:34,520 Speaker 3: gets us to any plays better than if we just say, well, 221 00:12:34,559 --> 00:12:36,120 Speaker 3: it's just not going to necessarily be. 222 00:12:37,600 --> 00:12:38,000 Speaker 4: Down his. 223 00:12:39,840 --> 00:12:40,000 Speaker 1: Road. 224 00:12:40,040 --> 00:12:42,120 Speaker 3: It sounded like Baveno was leaving and that a c 225 00:12:42,720 --> 00:12:44,920 Speaker 3: BP agents would leave with him in exchange for quote 226 00:12:44,960 --> 00:12:48,000 Speaker 3: more Walls fry police cooperation. 227 00:12:48,520 --> 00:12:50,560 Speaker 1: My guess is, and I got. 228 00:12:50,320 --> 00:12:53,640 Speaker 3: This feeling strongly from Andy Luger yesterday. We're going to 229 00:12:53,679 --> 00:12:56,560 Speaker 3: play back part one of our interview with him at 230 00:12:56,600 --> 00:12:58,800 Speaker 3: the bottom of the hour. Is that there's a lot 231 00:12:58,840 --> 00:13:05,120 Speaker 3: of stuff going on behind the scenes regarding strategy negotiation 232 00:13:06,240 --> 00:13:08,360 Speaker 3: to see if there's you know, the cliche is an 233 00:13:08,400 --> 00:13:11,240 Speaker 3: off ramp here that to a certain extent, at least 234 00:13:11,240 --> 00:13:18,760 Speaker 3: in the short run, everybody can be it can accept 235 00:13:19,040 --> 00:13:21,960 Speaker 3: what has happened to Karen. I guess I'm Karen. According 236 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:25,120 Speaker 3: to this texter, Dan, you sound like you should be 237 00:13:25,160 --> 00:13:28,400 Speaker 3: on the view. What if God forbid An says he 238 00:13:28,400 --> 00:13:31,800 Speaker 3: stands with ice, you would crucify him. John blames the 239 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:33,720 Speaker 3: wolves lost in the fact that one of the players 240 00:13:34,080 --> 00:13:39,480 Speaker 3: wives is an immigrant. Really is she illegal? That's Jenny 241 00:13:39,480 --> 00:13:41,400 Speaker 3: and plymouth. Jenny, I don't even know what to say 242 00:13:41,400 --> 00:13:45,320 Speaker 3: to you about that. I mean, if you believe that 243 00:13:45,720 --> 00:13:50,480 Speaker 3: certain issues might resonate given this environment more dramatically than 244 00:13:50,520 --> 00:13:56,640 Speaker 3: with others, does it matter. I don't know how much 245 00:13:56,679 --> 00:13:59,280 Speaker 3: more evidence you need. 246 00:14:00,559 --> 00:14:00,640 Speaker 4: That. 247 00:14:02,080 --> 00:14:06,920 Speaker 3: I'll begin point back to Chris Maddel, a Republican, a 248 00:14:07,040 --> 00:14:09,360 Speaker 3: law and order guy if there ever was one a 249 00:14:09,440 --> 00:14:15,920 Speaker 3: Walls Ellison agitator who says I'm out because I can't 250 00:14:15,960 --> 00:14:19,760 Speaker 3: stand with the Republican Party and their national policy of retribution. 251 00:14:22,080 --> 00:14:26,000 Speaker 3: His point being this isn't just targeted enforcement of illegals. 252 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:28,520 Speaker 3: This goes this is a lot wider than that, in 253 00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:34,920 Speaker 3: his belief, unconstitutional. So in that environment, as it possible, 254 00:14:34,960 --> 00:14:38,040 Speaker 3: that might affect some people who have immigrants in their 255 00:14:38,040 --> 00:14:40,200 Speaker 3: family more than others, whether they're legal or illegal. There 256 00:14:40,200 --> 00:14:44,280 Speaker 3: are many legals that have been stopped, so that's going 257 00:14:44,360 --> 00:14:45,880 Speaker 3: to resonate with them a little bit more. 258 00:14:46,520 --> 00:14:47,680 Speaker 1: That's what I would suggest to you. 259 00:14:47,680 --> 00:14:50,200 Speaker 3: That's Jenny and Plymouth, and I said back to her, 260 00:14:50,560 --> 00:14:53,240 Speaker 3: I just got done sat on the idea of what 261 00:14:53,360 --> 00:14:57,280 Speaker 3: if ant had a different view the last segment, I said, 262 00:14:57,480 --> 00:15:01,200 Speaker 3: people only want Anti speak if he says what they 263 00:15:01,200 --> 00:15:05,200 Speaker 3: want to hear. Are you even listening? That's the position 264 00:15:05,320 --> 00:15:13,240 Speaker 3: we were taking. This is from John out of Chicago. 265 00:15:13,840 --> 00:15:16,880 Speaker 3: It's been recently reported that there's bodycam footage of the 266 00:15:16,880 --> 00:15:19,400 Speaker 3: pretty killing. My guess is that this is one of 267 00:15:19,440 --> 00:15:23,880 Speaker 3: the main catalysts of this new more conciliatory tone and 268 00:15:23,960 --> 00:15:26,600 Speaker 3: approach from the Trump administration. They know that the footage 269 00:15:26,640 --> 00:15:29,840 Speaker 3: refutes that pretty was the attacker narrative that in the 270 00:15:29,880 --> 00:15:31,800 Speaker 3: polls that show Trump is taking a beating from this 271 00:15:31,920 --> 00:15:34,240 Speaker 3: or the likely causes for this news. It's good that 272 00:15:34,280 --> 00:15:35,840 Speaker 3: Walls is giving them a way to save face and 273 00:15:35,920 --> 00:15:38,960 Speaker 3: leave very JFK of him, and I don't support Walls, 274 00:15:38,960 --> 00:15:40,800 Speaker 3: but this is smart of him. I agree with all 275 00:15:40,840 --> 00:15:42,360 Speaker 3: of this. I don't even know how true it is, 276 00:15:42,360 --> 00:15:46,280 Speaker 3: but I agree with it in at least in theory. 277 00:15:48,960 --> 00:15:55,040 Speaker 3: And this is frankly what I've heard from people behind 278 00:15:55,080 --> 00:15:57,320 Speaker 3: the scenes involved in this story in one way or 279 00:15:57,360 --> 00:16:02,160 Speaker 3: the other, who said I've mentioned on sermons that probably 280 00:16:02,800 --> 00:16:05,280 Speaker 3: the only way out of the box to get to 281 00:16:05,360 --> 00:16:11,880 Speaker 3: a better place is if the Trump administration decides we're 282 00:16:11,920 --> 00:16:16,720 Speaker 3: starting to get pounded across the board enough. It's starting 283 00:16:16,720 --> 00:16:19,800 Speaker 3: to look bad. It's going to cost us votes, it 284 00:16:19,840 --> 00:16:23,200 Speaker 3: has a chance to cost us power. We got to 285 00:16:23,240 --> 00:16:25,280 Speaker 3: find a way out now. I don't expect at any 286 00:16:25,280 --> 00:16:29,520 Speaker 3: point that they will admit to any wrongdoing, but that 287 00:16:29,560 --> 00:16:34,520 Speaker 3: doesn't mean they might look for some way going sideways 288 00:16:34,560 --> 00:16:37,960 Speaker 3: on this or going in another direction on this that 289 00:16:38,080 --> 00:16:40,200 Speaker 3: might indeed well be true. And I would say I'm 290 00:16:40,200 --> 00:16:43,880 Speaker 3: as curious to see I said this yesterday I want 291 00:16:43,880 --> 00:16:47,160 Speaker 3: to see as much footage of all angles beyond even 292 00:16:47,160 --> 00:16:49,320 Speaker 3: what we've seen, even interpret and understand. 293 00:16:50,560 --> 00:16:52,480 Speaker 1: But as far as I'm concerned. 294 00:16:52,120 --> 00:16:55,720 Speaker 3: In regards to the pretty being the attacker narrative that's 295 00:16:55,760 --> 00:17:00,240 Speaker 3: already been debunked, the video is clear on that. It 296 00:17:00,240 --> 00:17:05,480 Speaker 3: couldn't be clearer that they end up approaching him more 297 00:17:05,520 --> 00:17:06,560 Speaker 3: than he approaches them. 298 00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:07,600 Speaker 1: It's clear as. 299 00:17:07,600 --> 00:17:09,760 Speaker 3: Day, and that's part of why nothing can be trusted 300 00:17:11,040 --> 00:17:11,760 Speaker 3: that has come out of this. 301 00:17:11,760 --> 00:17:15,680 Speaker 1: Administration in that regard. It's there. 302 00:17:16,080 --> 00:17:18,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, you can pretend not to see it, and you 303 00:17:18,800 --> 00:17:22,439 Speaker 3: can make it about the gun, but that's later in 304 00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:24,040 Speaker 3: this discussion about the attacker. 305 00:17:25,320 --> 00:17:26,560 Speaker 1: It's just I'm sorry. 306 00:17:27,840 --> 00:17:29,560 Speaker 3: Like I said, we try to follow the story, and 307 00:17:29,720 --> 00:17:32,119 Speaker 3: that's the story on that part of it, all right, 308 00:17:32,160 --> 00:17:34,639 Speaker 3: Bottom the hour break, Part one of our discussion, our 309 00:17:34,640 --> 00:17:39,040 Speaker 3: extensive discussion with former US Attorney Andy Lueger. If you 310 00:17:39,240 --> 00:17:41,520 Speaker 3: heard it the first time, I apologize for offering it 311 00:17:41,560 --> 00:17:46,280 Speaker 3: a second. But as I mentioned earlier, our Sunday audience 312 00:17:46,359 --> 00:17:48,879 Speaker 3: is very loyal. We love them, but the Monday audience, 313 00:17:48,920 --> 00:17:50,639 Speaker 3: the weekday audience, tends to be bigger. A lot of 314 00:17:50,640 --> 00:17:52,720 Speaker 3: people just take their time off on Sunday. So we 315 00:17:52,760 --> 00:17:55,639 Speaker 3: thought we'd get a second shot at it for our 316 00:17:55,720 --> 00:17:59,560 Speaker 3: weekday listeners as well, and some of it is absolutely worthy. 317 00:17:59,600 --> 00:18:03,280 Speaker 3: I think of playing back on today's show, Top five 318 00:18:03,320 --> 00:18:05,880 Speaker 3: at five yet to come, and more in the five 319 00:18:05,920 --> 00:18:06,840 Speaker 3: o'clock hour as well. 320 00:18:06,920 --> 00:18:24,240 Speaker 1: Stay tuned. Did you say I I have fourteen tomorrow? 321 00:18:25,320 --> 00:18:28,680 Speaker 1: It's fourteen right now? It's fourteen. Now, let's see. 322 00:18:28,720 --> 00:18:31,960 Speaker 3: I thought I saw like by Friday it might be 323 00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:34,440 Speaker 3: a high of twenty five or is that later. 324 00:18:34,320 --> 00:18:38,640 Speaker 2: Is in the weekend, So Friday it'll be nine, Saturday 325 00:18:38,840 --> 00:18:43,240 Speaker 2: night sixteen, Sunday twenty three, Monday twenty three, So then 326 00:18:43,240 --> 00:18:46,880 Speaker 2: it comes around a little bit, okay, and no snow right, 327 00:18:47,280 --> 00:18:50,120 Speaker 2: not that I see, Yeah, time. 328 00:18:50,040 --> 00:18:50,800 Speaker 1: Yeah it is. 329 00:18:50,880 --> 00:18:53,119 Speaker 3: It's we're all kind of weary from all of that. 330 00:18:53,200 --> 00:18:55,879 Speaker 3: I think there's no question about it. A bu Bubber 331 00:18:55,920 --> 00:18:57,840 Speaker 3: is the name of the show, guards the out he's 332 00:18:57,840 --> 00:19:00,560 Speaker 3: falling goal to go for women's basketball again. And Blake 333 00:19:00,600 --> 00:19:04,639 Speaker 3: Brett Blakemore will be with me today, tomorrow and Wednesday 334 00:19:05,480 --> 00:19:06,040 Speaker 3: as well. 335 00:19:06,080 --> 00:19:10,000 Speaker 1: We chatted yesterday. Sermons became a non. 336 00:19:09,880 --> 00:19:12,720 Speaker 3: Refuge when it comes from generally it's a toy department 337 00:19:12,760 --> 00:19:17,320 Speaker 3: show exclusively. There have been some exceptions and yesterday was 338 00:19:17,320 --> 00:19:21,560 Speaker 3: one of those, and we had a lengthy conversation with 339 00:19:21,920 --> 00:19:25,560 Speaker 3: former US Attorney Andy Lueger, who's become a pretty frequent 340 00:19:25,560 --> 00:19:30,800 Speaker 3: contributor to this program. And the way we're gonna do 341 00:19:30,840 --> 00:19:32,800 Speaker 3: it is we're gonna play about what do you say 342 00:19:32,800 --> 00:19:35,240 Speaker 3: about half of it now, and then about the same 343 00:19:35,720 --> 00:19:38,200 Speaker 3: probably about five thirty or so, we'll play the other 344 00:19:38,200 --> 00:19:40,919 Speaker 3: half of its will give different audiences a chance to 345 00:19:40,960 --> 00:19:43,960 Speaker 3: listen to parts of it. We covered a lot of ground, 346 00:19:44,200 --> 00:19:47,040 Speaker 3: you know, not anything significant has change today, although I 347 00:19:47,040 --> 00:19:50,600 Speaker 3: guess you could argue the one change might be some 348 00:19:50,760 --> 00:19:57,080 Speaker 3: moderation in tone, maybe Beveno's gone, which would be a 349 00:19:57,200 --> 00:19:59,840 Speaker 3: departure from what took place yesterday. But a lot of 350 00:19:59,840 --> 00:20:02,600 Speaker 3: the stuff I think is still very current, and we 351 00:20:02,640 --> 00:20:06,440 Speaker 3: want to give our weekday listeners an opportunity to hear 352 00:20:07,560 --> 00:20:12,879 Speaker 3: I think always analytical and fairly interesting and dispassionate stuff 353 00:20:13,160 --> 00:20:14,800 Speaker 3: from the former US attorney. 354 00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:15,800 Speaker 1: So let's start right now. 355 00:20:16,040 --> 00:20:19,440 Speaker 3: Andy Luger has been with us many times over recent years, 356 00:20:19,600 --> 00:20:23,960 Speaker 3: former Minnesota US attorney. He has kind of enough to 357 00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:27,680 Speaker 3: join us now via the Connectico Water Systems hotline. 358 00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:32,560 Speaker 1: Andy, thanks for the time. Where do we begin here? 359 00:20:32,560 --> 00:20:32,840 Speaker 1: For you. 360 00:20:32,920 --> 00:20:36,280 Speaker 3: I mean, I guess I'll throw you the the toss 361 00:20:36,359 --> 00:20:43,919 Speaker 3: up question of what you observed yesterday what you think 362 00:20:44,520 --> 00:20:48,240 Speaker 3: happened yesterday morning in South Minneapolis. 363 00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:52,920 Speaker 4: Thanks, Thanks Dan, Thanks for having me. As we've talked 364 00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:58,639 Speaker 4: about before with the shooting of Renee Good, first things first, 365 00:20:58,680 --> 00:21:03,280 Speaker 4: there has to be a full investigation of the circumstances, 366 00:21:03,320 --> 00:21:08,679 Speaker 4: what happened, all the videos, the eyewitness accounts. Some of 367 00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:11,400 Speaker 4: that will happen. I used to say in the good 368 00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:15,560 Speaker 4: old days, that that will happen and we'll get the 369 00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:19,399 Speaker 4: facts out. It's less certain right now because of the 370 00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:22,040 Speaker 4: way these are being conducted, but I do know that 371 00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:26,600 Speaker 4: experts from the BCA have begun and you and I 372 00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:31,080 Speaker 4: and everybody listening can watch the videos wherever one finds them, 373 00:21:31,119 --> 00:21:35,720 Speaker 4: and there are quite a few. Here's the question that 374 00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:41,840 Speaker 4: I've been asking of myself and others about this incident, 375 00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:46,760 Speaker 4: this tragedy, and we're in a good tragedy and this 376 00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:53,360 Speaker 4: entire the asco of Operation Metro Surge. Why is this 377 00:21:53,560 --> 00:21:54,560 Speaker 4: even happening? 378 00:21:55,680 --> 00:22:00,440 Speaker 5: The conclusion of a thorough investigation may go may come 379 00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:05,679 Speaker 5: up with different answers. It looks bad to me just 380 00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:08,960 Speaker 5: watching the video in terms of the way law enforcement 381 00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:11,960 Speaker 5: talks about it, and the terminology may not be appealing 382 00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:16,119 Speaker 5: to the listeners, but ultimately what people say is it 383 00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:17,040 Speaker 5: a good shooter. 384 00:22:16,840 --> 00:22:20,560 Speaker 4: Or bad shooting, and a good shoot not meaning where 385 00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:24,840 Speaker 4: anybody's glad has happened, but that it's legal and justified 386 00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:30,560 Speaker 4: in broad terms. You know, I've investigated a number of these, 387 00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:34,280 Speaker 4: I think maybe four over my terms as US attorney, 388 00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:38,600 Speaker 4: you know, probably watching videos for I mean, I sat 389 00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:41,440 Speaker 4: at my desk one day for an entire day, watching 390 00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:45,080 Speaker 4: over and over again the video of the Flando Castiel 391 00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:52,960 Speaker 4: shooting and others. And so if it's determined that somehow 392 00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:56,679 Speaker 4: it was justified fear for life, whatever it is, you 393 00:22:56,800 --> 00:22:59,919 Speaker 4: have to step back and add the broader question because 394 00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:04,240 Speaker 4: we don't have a good answer for why on earth 395 00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:08,200 Speaker 4: all of these agents are even here. And I can 396 00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:10,199 Speaker 4: give some perspective on that if it. 397 00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:14,200 Speaker 3: Would be helpful, yes, that well, keep going down that road, 398 00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:17,200 Speaker 3: because I well, because there's there's the there as obvious. 399 00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:20,359 Speaker 3: I think what you're saying is there's two pieces to this. Immediately, 400 00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:26,280 Speaker 3: one is regarding analyzing this shooting, this killing, and then 401 00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:30,919 Speaker 3: there are the larger questions surrounding it that we have 402 00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:33,640 Speaker 3: talked about a lot on this show. 403 00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:35,720 Speaker 1: But but see, before you. 404 00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:40,439 Speaker 3: Get into that, here's the to me, the depressing part. 405 00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:46,960 Speaker 3: We have such a fundamental disagreement between Washington and here 406 00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:52,200 Speaker 3: when it comes to immigration, uh, any illegal immigration that 407 00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:54,160 Speaker 3: I guess. 408 00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:56,320 Speaker 1: I'm having a hard time figuring out. 409 00:23:56,800 --> 00:23:59,879 Speaker 3: You know, people can talk about truces and you know, 410 00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:02,960 Speaker 3: meeting face to face and all of those things, but 411 00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:06,080 Speaker 3: I just don't see that there's any reason to think 412 00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:09,640 Speaker 3: that anything rational like that is likely to happen if 413 00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:13,600 Speaker 3: there's such a fundamental disagreement that. By the way, so far, Andy, 414 00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:16,200 Speaker 3: it seems to indicate the more you. 415 00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:19,040 Speaker 1: Push I'm talking about the US government. 416 00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:21,800 Speaker 3: The more you push back on our efforts to do it, 417 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:25,080 Speaker 3: by God, we were elected to do, We'll send in 418 00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:28,720 Speaker 3: another thousand. That's my fear is that all we are 419 00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:32,720 Speaker 3: in an endless escalation with no particular end insight. 420 00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:37,879 Speaker 4: I fully agree, and I come at this from the 421 00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:40,919 Speaker 4: following perspective that may be cut through some of that. 422 00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:46,120 Speaker 4: And you know, it's not been articulated as far as 423 00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:48,840 Speaker 4: I can hear in the public debate, because it's a 424 00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:52,760 Speaker 4: little inside baseball, But in some ways it isn't You 425 00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:58,679 Speaker 4: have local, state and federal law enforcement. In Minnesota, the FBI, 426 00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:04,840 Speaker 4: at FD all law enforcement agencies have a leader in Minnesota. 427 00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:08,520 Speaker 4: They're called the Special Agent in Charge Special Agent in 428 00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:11,840 Speaker 4: Charge of Minnesota for the FBI, the DBA, the ATS, 429 00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:15,800 Speaker 4: and all the federal agencies including IIMs. By the way 430 00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:21,240 Speaker 4: you have and they're put in every state pretty much 431 00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:26,760 Speaker 4: sometimes is overlapped to work with the locals and the 432 00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:31,399 Speaker 4: state We have a BCA and the state troopers, et cetera, 433 00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:37,879 Speaker 4: and all of whom are charged with working with the 434 00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:42,000 Speaker 4: US attorney who's appointed by the president but placed in 435 00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:46,720 Speaker 4: a state to come up with local priorities for law enforcement. 436 00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:50,560 Speaker 4: And every US attorney it's one of the first things 437 00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:53,879 Speaker 4: you do on the job. Every US attorney, Republican, Democrat, whatever, 438 00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:57,479 Speaker 4: does that. And so what you try to do, and 439 00:25:57,520 --> 00:26:00,480 Speaker 4: if you're fortunate enough and it doesn't is work in 440 00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:04,640 Speaker 4: every states had pretty good results here is build a consensus. 441 00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:08,040 Speaker 4: What are our needs, what are our problems? As a 442 00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:12,879 Speaker 4: US attorney, you then tell Washington essentially, this is what 443 00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:15,480 Speaker 4: we're doing in my district. This is what we're doing 444 00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:18,399 Speaker 4: in my state. You know, we're fighting, you know, feeding 445 00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:21,280 Speaker 4: our future fraud we're fighting gangs. We're fighting this, we're 446 00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:25,280 Speaker 4: fighting that. It's different everywhere you go because they may 447 00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:28,479 Speaker 4: not have a gang problem in you know, Indiana, right, 448 00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:34,080 Speaker 4: but we did we do here. And for example, I 449 00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:36,760 Speaker 4: knew when I was US attorney the first time there 450 00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:40,680 Speaker 4: were people in places like Philadelphia who were fighting carjacking. 451 00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:43,120 Speaker 4: That was one of their biggest issues. We didn't have 452 00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:46,560 Speaker 4: carjacking in Minnesota. So I'd sit in meetings and trucks. 453 00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:50,280 Speaker 4: You know, that's good, but not where I'm from. That's 454 00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:53,560 Speaker 4: how it works, and that's the number one thing you're told. 455 00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:55,640 Speaker 4: And when you talk to people in Washington, you say, 456 00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:58,160 Speaker 4: this is what we're doing, and they would always say, well, 457 00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:01,440 Speaker 4: you know your state, that's why you're there. And frankly, 458 00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:05,399 Speaker 4: the Republicans were typically better at that because they didn't 459 00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:08,960 Speaker 4: believe in the control from Washington over the states. You know, 460 00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:13,400 Speaker 4: Democrats a little differently, but that's basically that's basically your 461 00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:18,240 Speaker 4: fundamental job that's all been flipped on its head today, 462 00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:23,760 Speaker 4: and that's really where the problem begins. You're you're not 463 00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:28,800 Speaker 4: nobody elected anybody to anything to tell every state what 464 00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:33,720 Speaker 4: to do. I don't believe that because that's just fundamentally 465 00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:37,879 Speaker 4: against what we had state, you know, the federalism principles. 466 00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:43,320 Speaker 4: And so when whenever, and it has happened before, when 467 00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:46,879 Speaker 4: when Washington tries to impose a vision, you know, on 468 00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:50,600 Speaker 4: every state in the country, you run into problems because 469 00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:53,000 Speaker 4: we're not all the same. And so I start there, 470 00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:55,960 Speaker 4: and then I go to the fact that we don't 471 00:27:56,240 --> 00:28:01,000 Speaker 4: have an illegal and illegal immigrant crime way in Minnesota. 472 00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:04,119 Speaker 4: And your readers can be all over the map on 473 00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:09,560 Speaker 4: how the listeners excuse me on illegal immigration, and that's fine, 474 00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:13,680 Speaker 4: we can have that discussion, but that's not the cause 475 00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:18,840 Speaker 4: of the crime problems in Minnesota. And every single local 476 00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:21,840 Speaker 4: law enforcement agent will tell you. We'll tell you that 477 00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:26,720 Speaker 4: no one said to me when I was a US attorney, 478 00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:31,480 Speaker 4: or by predecessors, or in the ten months side left 479 00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:34,560 Speaker 4: when Joe Thompson was after Joe Thompson was a charge, 480 00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:37,399 Speaker 4: nobody raised their head and said, you know, gee, Andy, 481 00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:40,760 Speaker 4: because we had meeting hundreds of hours of meetings to 482 00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:44,000 Speaker 4: come up with our strategies and to agree on our 483 00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:49,440 Speaker 4: challenges in Minnesota, not one person ever said, you know what, 484 00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:52,960 Speaker 4: I think our real problem is crime. The worst of 485 00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:57,480 Speaker 4: the worst in Minnesota are illegal immigrants committing crime that 486 00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:02,160 Speaker 4: never happened. And again, politically, we can agree or disagree 487 00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:05,120 Speaker 4: on how we what we think the priority of illegal 488 00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:09,200 Speaker 4: immigration is. It's not the driver of crime in Minnesota. 489 00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:13,560 Speaker 4: It is and has been a bigger driver of crime 490 00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:19,000 Speaker 4: in other states Texas, Florida, Arizona. They'll tell you differently 491 00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:22,680 Speaker 4: that I just did. But of all the places in 492 00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:29,000 Speaker 4: America to focus a law enforcement operation on the illegal immigration, 493 00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:33,479 Speaker 4: Minnesota would be one of the last. I'll pause, Air Dan. 494 00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:36,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, And in fact, I wish I have by my 495 00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:40,400 Speaker 3: desk a story that I've been actually saving, the news 496 00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:43,760 Speaker 3: story from the Wall Street Journal from last week, as 497 00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:48,160 Speaker 3: I recall it, that I thought did a really good, measured, detached, 498 00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:52,960 Speaker 3: unemotional layout of much of what you're discussing here in 499 00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:56,840 Speaker 3: terms of what the numbers actually showed. 500 00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:00,360 Speaker 1: But here's if we're going to get to the nitty ready. 501 00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:01,280 Speaker 4: Uh. 502 00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:04,520 Speaker 3: You know, I've learned on this show that there's danger 503 00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:06,000 Speaker 3: in spending. 504 00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:07,200 Speaker 1: Too much time on texts. 505 00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:10,360 Speaker 3: However, a couple of texts that have just come in 506 00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:15,520 Speaker 3: in the last few minutes I think capture a belief 507 00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:20,560 Speaker 3: that we have to talk about and and maybe even 508 00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:23,360 Speaker 3: respond to. And this is I think a big part 509 00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:24,160 Speaker 3: of the problem. 510 00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:24,600 Speaker 1: I'll give you. 511 00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:28,600 Speaker 3: I'll give you one of them. All the illegals must go. 512 00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:32,360 Speaker 3: We didn't open the border for four years. They must 513 00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:37,200 Speaker 3: they all must go, all of them. That sentiment, I 514 00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:39,640 Speaker 3: don't know how large it is in Minnesota, but that 515 00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:43,600 Speaker 3: sentiment exists. So what do we say to those individuals 516 00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:46,440 Speaker 3: who say, I got the borders were too open, which, 517 00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:48,960 Speaker 3: by the way, I agreed under Biden I thought they were. 518 00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:51,280 Speaker 3: I thought it was badly mishandling. Now you had people 519 00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:53,520 Speaker 3: from the Obama administration who worked and it said it's 520 00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:58,320 Speaker 3: not sustainable how many people were letting in. But the 521 00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:00,960 Speaker 3: assumption is, well, if you believe that it's true, then 522 00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:05,520 Speaker 3: you must understand all of these severe measures. 523 00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:06,360 Speaker 1: Must be. 524 00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:10,200 Speaker 3: You know, must be laid out and must be take 525 00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:13,880 Speaker 3: must take place in order to basically bring us back 526 00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:16,200 Speaker 3: to zero good. 527 00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:18,280 Speaker 4: And I'm glad you raise that, And I'm glad the 528 00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:21,840 Speaker 4: person texted that, and I agree with I assume the 529 00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:25,600 Speaker 4: premise of his text and your point that you know, 530 00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:30,239 Speaker 4: the Biden administration failed us on that. I agree, Uh, 531 00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:35,520 Speaker 4: open whatever you call it borders or more open borders 532 00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:42,240 Speaker 4: was a failure and a mistake, and I disagree with it, however, 533 00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:45,080 Speaker 4: and I'll say, let me address the person who sent 534 00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:50,720 Speaker 4: this text. All people must go that's great as a sentiment, 535 00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:55,040 Speaker 4: that's great as a desire, and we can argue it 536 00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:59,320 Speaker 4: back and forth as to what that really means. Here's 537 00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:03,680 Speaker 4: the problem, any and I wish I could talk to 538 00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:08,680 Speaker 4: this person directly, but I'll talk to everybody. Any law 539 00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:14,320 Speaker 4: enforcement operation, and removing illegal immigrants is a law enforcement operation. 540 00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:18,840 Speaker 4: Any law enforcement operation that you do has to be 541 00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:23,160 Speaker 4: weighed the benefits versus the costs. We do that all 542 00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:27,240 Speaker 4: the time, and when we were going after gangs, it's like, 543 00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:30,200 Speaker 4: do we go after this guy or this guy? What's 544 00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:33,160 Speaker 4: the risk if we go over after that guy instead 545 00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:37,160 Speaker 4: of this guy? Those are the detailed law enforcement discussions 546 00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:42,200 Speaker 4: that have to happen because your job is to reduce crime. 547 00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:47,200 Speaker 4: If you want to take it in this context, quote unquote, 548 00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:51,320 Speaker 4: get rid of the illegal immigrants at what cost and 549 00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:55,239 Speaker 4: at what benefit? And what are the resources required to 550 00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:58,880 Speaker 4: do it? So you can't I mean it's great to 551 00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:01,960 Speaker 4: say that, and you can believe that to be something 552 00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:04,760 Speaker 4: that's a goal. Then the question is how do you 553 00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:08,000 Speaker 4: do it? What does it take? What are the costs, 554 00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:12,520 Speaker 4: And a final piece is what aren't you doing while 555 00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:17,560 Speaker 4: you're doing that? In order to accomplish the removal of 556 00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:21,520 Speaker 4: one thousand, two thousand, five hundred whatever the number is 557 00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:25,600 Speaker 4: of people who are in Minneapolis or in Minnesota illegally, 558 00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:27,920 Speaker 4: do you have to do a number of things when 559 00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:31,200 Speaker 4: you have to find them, do you have to get them, 560 00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:34,560 Speaker 4: you have to detain them? Do you have to be 561 00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:39,040 Speaker 4: accurate in who you are detaining and going after? And 562 00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:42,200 Speaker 4: you have to do it in a way that doesn't 563 00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:45,720 Speaker 4: cause or at least you minimize the risk to the 564 00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:50,120 Speaker 4: rest of the citizens. So, and by the way, you 565 00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:53,760 Speaker 4: need a lot of federal resources. It's not just ice. 566 00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:58,160 Speaker 4: FBI's been detailed to do this. Atf has been detailed 567 00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:00,360 Speaker 4: to do this, DEEA has been detailed to do this, 568 00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:04,440 Speaker 4: And so they're not what are you not doing while 569 00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:07,160 Speaker 4: you're going It's not like presto, we press the button 570 00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:10,359 Speaker 4: and all these illegal immigrants who came in are going 571 00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:14,120 Speaker 4: to be gone. It's what does it take to do 572 00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:17,760 Speaker 4: it and what aren't you doing? So here's an example. 573 00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:22,280 Speaker 4: Anybody who's detained can have a lawyer file a habeas 574 00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:25,359 Speaker 4: petition in court to get them a lawyer, find out 575 00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:28,200 Speaker 4: the facts of how they got here. Most of these 576 00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:31,280 Speaker 4: people didn't come here in the last four years under Biden. 577 00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:34,759 Speaker 4: Without disagreeing with the premise, the fact of the matter 578 00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:38,239 Speaker 4: is you got the Baker who's been here twenty years. 579 00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:44,080 Speaker 4: So if they're not committing crimes, they're not violent, they're 580 00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:47,319 Speaker 4: living here, that a lot, paying taxes, whatever it is, 581 00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:51,240 Speaker 4: you still want them gone, that's fine, But that means 582 00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:55,040 Speaker 4: at the same time, if you've noticed, we're not bringing 583 00:34:55,280 --> 00:35:00,959 Speaker 4: new gang cases, we're not bringing new carjacking cases. We're very, 584 00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:05,000 Speaker 4: very few. That's a price that we pay the real 585 00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:09,880 Speaker 4: crime that's happening in Minneapolis, and in Minnesota, the attention 586 00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:14,680 Speaker 4: and the resources that have been diverted really entirely to this, 587 00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:19,480 Speaker 4: and instead we've got you know, protesters being prosecuted. Now 588 00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:22,520 Speaker 4: you're going to have dozens of protesters being prosecuted in 589 00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:26,080 Speaker 4: federal court. You've got that whole church thing that happened, 590 00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:30,040 Speaker 4: a lot of attention to that. We're going to investigate 591 00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:35,400 Speaker 4: the politicians who are the elected elected officials who disagree 592 00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:38,680 Speaker 4: with this. That's where all the focus is right now 593 00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:42,000 Speaker 4: in federal court, my old office, that's what they're doing. 594 00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:46,959 Speaker 4: I thought people like this this Texter would have thought, 595 00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:50,120 Speaker 4: we want to uncover as much of that billion dollars 596 00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:54,000 Speaker 4: in fraud as we can. Well, that's not happening. We're 597 00:35:54,040 --> 00:36:00,000 Speaker 4: investigating victims of shootings, not shooters. So when you say 598 00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:03,239 Speaker 4: we had a priority as sort of severe or is 599 00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:06,360 Speaker 4: what the Texter just said, there's a lot that follows 600 00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:10,160 Speaker 4: from that that maybe everybody didn't think about when this began. 601 00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:15,320 Speaker 3: That's part one of our conversation from yesterday with former 602 00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:19,839 Speaker 3: US attorney Andy Luger. Will play back part two at 603 00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:24,440 Speaker 3: five point thirty, and I'll quickly explain again that the 604 00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:28,880 Speaker 3: policy of this show when it comes to replay of 605 00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:34,640 Speaker 3: guests is historically we've actually even occasionally replayed the same 606 00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:39,719 Speaker 3: parts of the same interview the same day. And I'm 607 00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:43,520 Speaker 3: not sure, like I said, people, why no, they don't 608 00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:48,200 Speaker 3: quite understand how radio works. For the folks who listen 609 00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:50,560 Speaker 3: twenty four to seven. To the fan, we love it, 610 00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:53,000 Speaker 3: I mean we love it. We love that loyalty. 611 00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:54,520 Speaker 1: It's wonderful. 612 00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:58,800 Speaker 3: But we have like endless we have reams and reams 613 00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:04,920 Speaker 3: of research that indicates the audience changes dramatic. The bulk 614 00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:09,080 Speaker 3: of the audience changes dramatically because people have schedules and 615 00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:10,839 Speaker 3: they have different times that they listen, which is why 616 00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:16,120 Speaker 3: even within a show we've occasionally played back in an interview. 617 00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:18,719 Speaker 3: I can also show you if you'd like, because there's 618 00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:24,680 Speaker 3: a couple of people disappointed. The distinction between just how 619 00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:27,880 Speaker 3: many people tend to listen to talk radio at all 620 00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:31,160 Speaker 3: on a Sunday morning as opposed to during a weekday 621 00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:35,880 Speaker 3: is dramatic. So if you're somebody again who listens all 622 00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:39,480 Speaker 3: the time, we're not trying to turn you out or 623 00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:45,120 Speaker 3: have you tune us out. But we've been doing this 624 00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:47,160 Speaker 3: for more than a minute or two, and so the 625 00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:51,920 Speaker 3: idea is, let's give a larger audience a chance to 626 00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:52,440 Speaker 3: get to it. 627 00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:54,200 Speaker 4: So I. 628 00:37:56,239 --> 00:37:58,640 Speaker 3: Don't know what else to tell you. It's really there's 629 00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:01,960 Speaker 3: no conspiracy. It's really as simple. 630 00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:03,480 Speaker 1: As that. 631 00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:14,759 Speaker 3: In addition, it's fair to say that, well, if you 632 00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:19,120 Speaker 3: feel like the person has offered us some interesting comments, 633 00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:24,360 Speaker 3: I don't think it ever hurts to throw that out again. 634 00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:29,200 Speaker 3: I don't want this to be because one text said, well, 635 00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:34,560 Speaker 3: I guess I'm done listening to Sunday sermons. Well, generally speaking, 636 00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:41,040 Speaker 3: sixty five one guy, I love you but we're living 637 00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:49,440 Speaker 3: in real times and we react on time. So ordinarily, 638 00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:53,680 Speaker 3: Andy Luger wouldn't be on on a Sunday because generally speaking, 639 00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:57,760 Speaker 3: the policy of this of my policy has been Sunday 640 00:38:57,840 --> 00:39:00,280 Speaker 3: is the one place where we do stick to sports 641 00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:03,520 Speaker 3: ninety nine percent of the time, because I feel like 642 00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:05,840 Speaker 3: I got enough other opportunities to get into some other stuff. 643 00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:08,720 Speaker 3: So we'll just make that sports sports, sports as common 644 00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:11,880 Speaker 3: says as your whole life sports. But we had a 645 00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:17,080 Speaker 3: pretty significant thing happen in our community on Saturday, So 646 00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:21,520 Speaker 3: I don't feel I'm serving the interests of my listeners, 647 00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:24,000 Speaker 3: whether they agree with what I say or not. If 648 00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:26,359 Speaker 3: I go are just gonna skip to Monday, we'll get 649 00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:29,480 Speaker 3: to it Monday. Sunday, we're gonna go back to previewing 650 00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:31,920 Speaker 3: the NFC and the NFC title games. That's just not 651 00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:36,480 Speaker 3: gonna work in my DNA, and that I think is 652 00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:37,719 Speaker 3: the best explanation. 653 00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:40,040 Speaker 1: So ordinarily this would be the first. 654 00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:42,000 Speaker 3: Day we'd have Addie luegeran after a story like that, 655 00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:44,399 Speaker 3: but I didn't think we could wait. I don't think 656 00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:46,840 Speaker 3: we're serving the listener if we do. So it's really 657 00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:49,640 Speaker 3: as simple as that we are going to have top 658 00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:51,080 Speaker 3: five and five at the top of the hour. Get 659 00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:53,640 Speaker 3: to that more in a minute, I do have. I 660 00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:58,919 Speaker 3: reached out today, and of course there are a number 661 00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:01,360 Speaker 3: of writings who won't like this, but I'll mention it anyway. 662 00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:05,320 Speaker 3: I reached out today to former Supreme at Minnesota Supreme 663 00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:11,120 Speaker 3: Court Justice Alan Page, and because I consider him as 664 00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:15,960 Speaker 3: a former Supreme Court justice, a newsmaker who doesn't speak 665 00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:19,120 Speaker 3: often anymore, but has been kind enough to give us 666 00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:23,279 Speaker 3: audiences many times over the years, including at the Great 667 00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:28,120 Speaker 3: Minnesota Get Together. And in this case there's a specific 668 00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:31,960 Speaker 3: reason I wanted to talk to him because a photo 669 00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:37,360 Speaker 3: of Alan Page went viral for reasons that once again 670 00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:42,080 Speaker 3: offer a cautionary tale about how quickly we jump and 671 00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:46,319 Speaker 3: assume whatever we want to jump and assume too, And 672 00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:48,359 Speaker 3: it's just a good reminder because we all do it. 673 00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:51,480 Speaker 3: I assumed that what was offered up in this photo 674 00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:53,400 Speaker 3: was accurate. Turns out it was a little bit more 675 00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:56,359 Speaker 3: complicated than that. So even without him today, we will 676 00:40:56,640 --> 00:40:59,759 Speaker 3: get into that maybe after the Top five at five. 677 00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:03,799 Speaker 3: I do think it raises some pretty interesting questions. Branch 678 00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:06,080 Speaker 3: On Brian Cafe in text Line is open at six 679 00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:09,440 Speaker 3: four six eighty six. If you haven't been blocked, you're 680 00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:11,680 Speaker 3: still working on Mondelo guy, you're gonna work with him. 681 00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:12,520 Speaker 1: I'll get in there. 682 00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:16,040 Speaker 3: I think he at least we've made him aware so 683 00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:18,719 Speaker 3: that you know, he doesn't have to feel like I'm 684 00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:22,239 Speaker 3: consciously trying to reject him. And as you say, his 685 00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:25,200 Speaker 3: comedic stylings. Is that the way you put it, Yes, yeah, 686 00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:27,480 Speaker 3: stylings I think is the right term. Top five and 687 00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:30,560 Speaker 3: five will be toy department related and it will include what. 688 00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:32,439 Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll get back to the toy department. Both winter 689 00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:35,480 Speaker 2: squads included, and two Sanders stories.