Speaker 1: You want to.
Speaker 2: That's some show seven hundred W LW.
Speaker 3: The mayor you're after at peer vall opposing income taxing
Speaker 3: threes to pay for crime prevention, affordable housing, and what
Speaker 3: do you called disrupting poverty. I'm not quite sure what
Speaker 3: that means, uh, because poverty is the root cause of
Speaker 3: so much of the violence, and that's that's probably true.
Speaker 3: But I'm trying to figure out how this tax is
Speaker 3: going to solve that. The mayor said, should have this
Speaker 3: thing decided how much, if any, by roughly by March,
Speaker 3: the next couple of months here, and of course there's
Speaker 3: gonna be plenty of public input now whether they listen.
Speaker 2: Different story.
Speaker 3: Let me bring in council Member Seth Walsh on the
Speaker 3: show on seven hundred WW.
Speaker 2: How are you.
Speaker 3: I'm doing fine. I'm doing fine. So the current income
Speaker 3: tax is like one point eight percent. That's much lower
Speaker 3: than Columbus and Cleveland are both two point five percent.
Speaker 3: Fairly low right now, So I think we got to
Speaker 3: throw that out there. And I look at this and go, okay, well,
Speaker 3: before I get to your take on this, the mayor,
Speaker 3: this is about disrupting poverty. Can we tell out of crime?
Speaker 4: Well, I think that I don't think that is fully
Speaker 4: what the mayor was saying with this statement. We have
Speaker 4: not had a conversation, so I don't fully know what
Speaker 4: is being proposed at this stage. But I think what
Speaker 4: is being rooted in is the Future Commission's recommendations, which
Speaker 4: had I recommended a point one five earning task increase
Speaker 4: that include economic development and include more money for policing,
Speaker 4: more money for fire.
Speaker 5: There.
Speaker 4: I think that is what is the conversation here, but
Speaker 4: I haven't had a conversation with him to be told
Speaker 4: that for a fact at this stage.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because I think people hear that.
Speaker 3: I don't know if there's a misstep on his part,
Speaker 3: but if he starts hammering that the root cause of
Speaker 3: povery's violence and we've got to disrupt poverty, and therefore
Speaker 3: this is why we've got to garnish your wages and
Speaker 3: fix this. Well, let's go all the way back to LBJ,
Speaker 3: well before I was here, and way well before you
Speaker 3: were here.
Speaker 2: Seth.
Speaker 3: It doesn't work. And I'll point this out because this
Speaker 3: just broke this morning. I think it's relevant. One of
Speaker 3: the biggest stories of EFAT the story the of course,
Speaker 3: is the Ryan Hitton shooting that led to the death
Speaker 3: by his dad. Of deputies to Larry Henderson, the three
Speaker 3: individuals that were with Ryan Hinton that day, we just
Speaker 3: had their day in court. One of them and by
Speaker 3: the way, these are individuals who had previous records, had
Speaker 3: committed grand theft autos stolen the car with a gun specification.
Speaker 3: One of them is still doesn't have their day in
Speaker 3: corporate the other two one got ten months in jail
Speaker 3: and the other one received probation. If people are going, well, okay,
Speaker 3: I'm going to get this tax and helped low poverty
Speaker 3: which can reduce crime, and there's a lot of things
Speaker 3: between those elements, and I propose it probably doesn't work.
Speaker 3: But you hear that and go, wait a minute, I
Speaker 3: got to pay more in taxes When we've got judges
Speaker 3: that simply slap people on the wrist who steal cars
Speaker 3: and commit crimes with guns.
Speaker 2: That math doesn't work, does it.
Speaker 4: I think we're making a lot of assumptions about what
Speaker 4: the tax is and I think that that's not helping
Speaker 4: situation right now, because you know your breed on what
Speaker 4: it is, am I read on what the acts that
Speaker 4: were not consistent.
Speaker 1: On that, So.
Speaker 4: I think the fairest way for the conversation. The only
Speaker 4: report that I know of that has been done around
Speaker 4: an earning tax since we reduced certain tacks to be
Speaker 4: a fun metro was the Future Submission, and their recommendation
Speaker 4: in there is very clearly that the city's budget needs
Speaker 4: to be put in a strong financial foothold, and they
Speaker 4: also are encouraging enough to grow and develop with you
Speaker 4: and I both Vehemailey agree on and to do that,
Speaker 4: we need more money and resources to be able to
Speaker 4: achieve that. Part of you know, train on the city
Speaker 4: budget is the costs that for yearly raises for police
Speaker 4: and fire as they deserve. I mean, anybody willing to
Speaker 4: risk their lives to protect our community run into a
Speaker 4: burning building, you know, they deserve the pay they get,
Speaker 4: They deserve the raises they get, and I think that's
Speaker 4: a very fair trade off. But it does have an
Speaker 4: expense on the movie the budget, and so the recommendation
Speaker 4: specifically in that report was to prom d a stream
Speaker 4: of revenue similar to how Columbus handles it that would
Speaker 4: help offset the increase or police of fire boards. Forward
Speaker 4: now to the conversations we've had all summer around policing
Speaker 4: and having police out there to be able to you know,
Speaker 4: be as deterrence toward crime. You know, that's critical, right,
Speaker 4: because if you want to be able to not have
Speaker 4: them what we've dealt with this summer, you've got to
Speaker 4: have good police officers out there working to beat and
Speaker 4: you know, not only are you know, when they're causing problems,
Speaker 4: but just being president and having relationships in the community
Speaker 4: so that people are less likely to do that. So, yeah,
Speaker 4: I think if that's the case, that's what we're talking about.
Speaker 4: I think that's a very different conversation than you know,
Speaker 4: the open ended question of you know, are we doing
Speaker 4: an earnings tax increase to you know, try to break poverty,
Speaker 4: which I don't think anyone disagrees that we need to.
Speaker 4: You know, the cost, you know, what's making it is city.
Speaker 4: The how is a big question, and the lack of
Speaker 4: that answer, I think makes this conversation really hard and
Speaker 4: really beating the water for the greater conversation the city
Speaker 4: needs to have.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I bring that up because I don't disagree
Speaker 3: with you. What I'm saying is people hear then go, okay,
Speaker 3: well we're disrupting poverty, but you know, judges aren't doing
Speaker 3: what they're supposed to do, and so why am I
Speaker 3: paying this tab? I think people think in those terms,
Speaker 3: like what am I what? What's my what's my return
Speaker 3: on my investment here? If we're just going to continue
Speaker 3: to catch and release and not take some of this
Speaker 3: stuff seriously? Uh In the mayor certainly doesn't control that,
Speaker 3: but here it's himself. I think by bringing it up
Speaker 3: put in that context as well. So what you're saying
Speaker 3: for you to get a yes for your vote, anyway
Speaker 3: to get your vote, Futures Commission recommendations need to be
Speaker 3: implemented first before you do that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, I mean the Future's Commission you're really focus
Speaker 4: heavily on the development side of Fincinnati. You know, we
Speaker 4: talked about the affordability crisis. We talk about trying to
Speaker 4: you know, make our downtown you know, lively and active again.
Speaker 4: And it has a number of recommendations in there about
Speaker 4: how we can actually be growing and be able to
Speaker 4: down on bureaucrae, the red cape that it takes to
Speaker 4: get anything off the ground here. Yeah, things you and
Speaker 4: I talked about at nausea. Yeah, and you know, to
Speaker 4: my knowledge, the most critical ones, the most simple ones too,
Speaker 4: have not even to implement it. You know, the Office
Speaker 4: of Strategy Growth, I think, being the biggest opportunity there.
Speaker 4: I'm hearing rumblings if that is in the work and
Speaker 4: we're gonna have some progress on that soon, but it
Speaker 4: hasn't been implemented. And in my opinion, the entire time
Speaker 4: since the Future State pindition came out is they make
Speaker 4: a lot of how to say, proof and their efficiencies
Speaker 4: and be more forward facing. And if we did that,
Speaker 4: then we should be rewarded with more funcial leverage to
Speaker 4: be able to actually lead development. If we haven't done that,
Speaker 4: we shouldn't get the carrot. You know, we shouldn't get
Speaker 4: the reward for not having done that, because the worst
Speaker 4: thing that could happen is at this time when things
Speaker 4: are so expensive already, when you know costability is going
Speaker 4: on through the roof, we already have an affordability crisis, poverty,
Speaker 4: you know, the poverty graph is just getting wider. To
Speaker 4: put a more burden on our residence without being able
Speaker 4: to say, we can't achieve what we're going to promise
Speaker 4: you in this case that you can have a development
Speaker 4: and the actual more housing actually be able to bring
Speaker 4: down it. That plan, I have a problem being able
Speaker 4: to get behind it, and that needs to get you know,
Speaker 4: we needed to make some privucs.
Speaker 3: He is a council member, Seth Walsh on Sloan here,
Speaker 3: seven hundred WLW. And this has to do with the
Speaker 3: kicking the tires on a income tax increase in the
Speaker 3: City of Cincinnati to help pay for crime prevention, affordable housing,
Speaker 3: and what the mayor said is disrupting poverty.
Speaker 2: I'll bring this up in context too. Butler County.
Speaker 3: It's not just Hamlet, but Butler County is proposing a
Speaker 3: new two mil levee to address this very issue. So
Speaker 3: it's not just Hamilton, it's other counties as well hit
Speaker 3: by this. The other side of this thing, too is
Speaker 3: if you're in Cincinnati, also live in Hamlin.
Speaker 2: County.
Speaker 3: Commissioner Alicia Reese is going to join the show at
Speaker 3: ten oh seven this morning to talk about what they
Speaker 3: discussed yesterday, and they may ask voters to increase the
Speaker 3: Children's services levy there because that is tied to, you know,
Speaker 3: poverty and disrupting poverty. It starts with children and the
Speaker 3: last time we had an increase was eight years ago.
Speaker 3: They want to double. In the perfect world, they would
Speaker 3: want to more than double this whole thing. That this
Speaker 3: proposal is going to be a moderate, a minimum and
Speaker 3: eighty percent in increase over the current cost of the
Speaker 3: levee from twenty eighteen. And so the city does not
Speaker 3: exist in a vacuum. Obviously, it's also in Hambleton County.
Speaker 3: And so if you're Cincinnati's living hamil guys, I said,
Speaker 3: does that hurt your effort here on an income tax,
Speaker 3: because now the county's going, hey, we've got to get
Speaker 3: a children services levey on. It's going to more than
Speaker 3: double the amount you're paying right now. Is it too
Speaker 3: much for voters?
Speaker 4: I think it's yes. And maybe you know, I think
Speaker 4: right now, I think the big bringing any attempt at
Speaker 4: an increase for any tax is cost of living has
Speaker 4: just gotten so ridiculously out of control. And when we're
Speaker 4: not seeing wages going up, we're not seeing more opportunity,
Speaker 4: we're not seeing more jobs coming in at the rate
Speaker 4: that they need to be coming in. You know, how
Speaker 4: these costs keep going up. I think it's a big
Speaker 4: hill for anybody to swallow to say, you know, we
Speaker 4: need more taxes. I think at the same time, people
Speaker 4: myself included, recognize that the cost of living in impact
Speaker 4: has been hitting the exact same places support right. You know,
Speaker 4: the people that we have out there trying to help
Speaker 4: children have it, trying to do crime prevention, trying to
Speaker 4: disrupt povery, the expense for them to even do the
Speaker 4: bare minimum stamp center, seeing how stay cost just to
Speaker 4: be able to nail things right. It's a real issue
Speaker 4: that is out there. So where are our values as
Speaker 4: a community? And I don't get smarter to have these
Speaker 4: large conversations and say this is what we want to
Speaker 4: value this we'll want to put our money toward. Again,
Speaker 4: We've had a conversation as the community last year about crime.
Speaker 1: We talked about crime prevention.
Speaker 4: We talked about how we want to get engaged earlier
Speaker 4: and you know, get you other opportunities. Besides, you're disrupting
Speaker 4: what you know, what's going on around the city. And
Speaker 4: if that's the priority that we have as a city
Speaker 4: and as a county, then yeah, I think that you know,
Speaker 4: people are going to get behind the tactics.
Speaker 1: I don't.
Speaker 4: I don't think that's a non starter, but I think
Speaker 4: we have to be able to be clear and what
Speaker 4: we're trying to do so, why we're trying to do it,
Speaker 4: and how this is going to actually achieve that? Which
Speaker 4: this fact my concern about their effect is it enough
Speaker 4: of do we have the efficiencies in place to deliver
Speaker 4: on what we're gonna promise? Maybe I don't hope they come. Yes,
Speaker 4: I don't know that yet, And until we get to
Speaker 4: that point, it's just it's a hard pilled get the
Speaker 4: hardfeld to go and ask people to sacrifice for more
Speaker 4: if we don't know the back end.
Speaker 3: Yet, right, right, If it feels like it's more of
Speaker 3: the same, it's like, uh, you know, we're going to
Speaker 3: fix this problem by throwing more money at it. I
Speaker 3: voters definitely would be reluctant. And it's not like, you know,
Speaker 3: we don't have empathy here, right. We do need a
Speaker 3: children's services levy. They need the money because so many
Speaker 3: kids are in poverty. And if you do want to
Speaker 3: break that cycle of violence, it starts there.
Speaker 2: It's tough.
Speaker 3: But at the same time, if you're stretched though thin,
Speaker 3: we're a gallon of gas, I mean, price of gases
Speaker 3: start to go back up again. If you've noticed, you know, beef, milk, bread, eggs, energy,
Speaker 3: all those things they factor in and then you get
Speaker 3: hit with more taxes from the city and the county.
Speaker 3: People have a breaking point at the end of the day.
Speaker 3: It's about self preservation.
Speaker 1: Absolutely.
Speaker 4: I think that's where you know, we as leaders and
Speaker 4: include you and conversations Scott. You know, we as leaders
Speaker 4: of them we're having this conversation, have to be able
Speaker 4: to answer the questions we have to ask, the hard
Speaker 4: question we have to getting out of it. People will sacrifice,
Speaker 4: no doubt about that. We have the core humanity that
Speaker 4: we are trying to push forward together on and I
Speaker 4: think that's fantastic and I take great pride in that
Speaker 4: in Cincinnati and Hamilton County. But also things are really
Speaker 4: hard right now, and what we can't do is pack
Speaker 4: so much that we cause more problems in the back end,
Speaker 4: and so we need to have good answers. Everybody across
Speaker 4: the board is looking at this. I know times are
Speaker 4: really hard right now. Sometimes the government needs to take
Speaker 4: the back speat to you know, find creative ways to
Speaker 4: go without putting more burdened on our people.
Speaker 3: That's my opinion, right right, No, I mean, yeah, that
Speaker 3: makes sense, but how do you do all this stuff?
Speaker 2: I think that is the question.
Speaker 3: They Vice Mayor Jannas Shelliman Curney says, this is a
Speaker 3: small increase that's going to allow huge increases affordable housing
Speaker 3: and small businesses support. We have a goal and you're
Speaker 3: your lealestate guy too, so a development guy. So we
Speaker 3: have a goal of forty thousand new affordable housing units
Speaker 3: for the next deck. So the revenues, the projected revenues
Speaker 3: from this this increased match that scale of investment needed.
Speaker 2: Is it enough?
Speaker 1: So it's forty thousand units of housing across the board.
Speaker 4: I think a big part of the affordable housing conversation
Speaker 4: that we lose sight of is, you know, we just
Speaker 4: don't have enough housing units, which has really become a
Speaker 4: supplying demand issue. So it's forty thousand units across the board.
Speaker 4: The Futures Commission report, in which the earning sex has
Speaker 4: been you know, is being recommended on, is actually recommending
Speaker 4: a twenty six thousand unit increase over the next ten years.
Speaker 4: And that's I think there's you know, smart people in
Speaker 4: this field that should be able to do the mask
Speaker 4: to tell us, you know, the per unit subsidue that
Speaker 4: we were looking at, and you know, is the revenue
Speaker 4: that we would get off the projected earning sex enough
Speaker 4: for us to be able to deliver that twenty six
Speaker 4: thousand unit goal from.
Speaker 1: The from the Futures Commission.
Speaker 4: You know, if we want to wak to forty thousand,
Speaker 4: you know, outside of that, that's not what the Future
Speaker 4: Commission one point five, our point five one to five
Speaker 4: is backing up. So we probably need to do the
Speaker 4: mass again, which gets to the bigger point here. We're
Speaker 4: going to ask sex, right, let's make sure we have
Speaker 4: our ducks in a row, and you know what we
Speaker 4: are asking a sacrifice on is going to achieve that goal.
Speaker 4: At least the mass will make sense on it. I
Speaker 4: have a few numbers yet that have given me confidence
Speaker 4: on it, which is why I continue to lean towards
Speaker 4: the I'm not there at the stage.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, that makes sense, Seth Walsh. I think you
Speaker 3: and I believe was a council member Mika Owens want
Speaker 3: to create some called the Office of Strategic Growth to
Speaker 3: try and get some of these projects off the crew.
Speaker 3: If you create this office and but but the tax
Speaker 3: increase fails at the battle box, Where does the funding
Speaker 3: come from to operate the new department? And does that
Speaker 3: kind of hinder progress moving forward.
Speaker 4: Well, I'm a big believer in you know, the city
Speaker 4: budget has more flexibility than as you know, publicly discussed
Speaker 4: and you know, we won't go jump into it because
Speaker 4: that's the whole master's class in and of itself. But
Speaker 4: the funding, I believe the funding city budget. I also
Speaker 4: think that it's critical, regardless of the impact, if we
Speaker 4: want to grow as a city and grow in this situation.
Speaker 4: Can be from you know, just trying to do more
Speaker 4: fatile housing units to try to actually hit a forty
Speaker 4: thousand goal.
Speaker 1: You know, the frustrated by having college show.
Speaker 4: It's one of the reasons I went to city Hall
Speaker 4: is it's really hard to do development because sometimes the
Speaker 4: right hand's not talking to the left hand. Sometimes when
Speaker 4: I was in college Shill it felt like all the time.
Speaker 4: And the Office of Strategic Growth has a responsibility in
Speaker 4: helping cut that and make that, you know, smoother, more efficient,
Speaker 4: and then also be aggressive and going to finding groups
Speaker 4: that are not in Cincinnati right now, convincing them to
Speaker 4: come to Cincinnati and invest their money in Cincinnati, because
Speaker 4: that's going to help drive down the person you subsidy.
Speaker 4: It's going to introduce more creativity into our market. It's
Speaker 4: going to just have big impacts. And that's where you
Speaker 4: see success starts to come in when you're talking about
Speaker 4: how you tackle housing.
Speaker 1: Creditis and so.
Speaker 4: It has a big role, and I think there's money
Speaker 4: in the budget to find it. I've already identified source
Speaker 4: and a spell years to do that. So I'm not
Speaker 4: worried about that angle. Whether it passes or does not pass.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And you know, you look at this the income tax, sorry,
Speaker 3: the payroll tax increase here, you know, with additional crime
Speaker 3: fighting measures, more partnership with the Ohio State Highway Patrol,
Speaker 3: and that has been a long road to get to
Speaker 3: where we are right now, more of walking and bike patrols,
Speaker 3: more license plate readers, more in Sylvan surveillance. And to
Speaker 3: bring this up going well, you know, in this story
Speaker 3: we had some closure to it to some degree, but
Speaker 3: not long ago. We had that murder, of course, on
Speaker 3: New Year's Day. Eleven year old girl murdered on New
Speaker 3: Year's Day, a horrible way to start the new year.
Speaker 3: Suppose there's cameras up there, but none of them worked
Speaker 3: at the time, and we had one hundred and fifty
Speaker 3: I think one hundred and fifty thousand dollars was going
Speaker 3: towards those cameras, and there are a lot of questions
Speaker 3: about that, And yeah, I think that just those kinds
Speaker 3: of optics don't help either that, hey, we gave you
Speaker 3: the money and it wasn't being spent. Now we later
Speaker 3: found out what actually happened with the broken cameras and
Speaker 3: the like. But get money for the technology and it's
Speaker 3: not being used, I don't think that also helps as well.
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, I think it's frustrating.
Speaker 4: You know, when we outdated that money in July last year,
Speaker 4: I asked specifically, are we going to get these cameras
Speaker 4: up and not have a time where all of.
Speaker 1: A sudden we usually had the cameras up.
Speaker 4: Is it going to turn into the city bureaucratic process
Speaker 4: where it drags on for several years before we act
Speaker 4: actually get the cameras up and asult because at that
Speaker 4: point we were already two years planned on the promise
Speaker 4: that we've made. Right then, I think the fact that
Speaker 4: I even had to ask the question, and then the
Speaker 4: fact that the media had to do follow up six
Speaker 4: months with that tragedy happen, and there's a lot of
Speaker 4: questions around it.
Speaker 1: It doesn't breed a lot of confidence in the city.
Speaker 4: And that's where I think the efficiency that the future
Speaker 4: Submission talks about is a very real thing, and it's
Speaker 4: a very important thing because you have to build confidence
Speaker 4: once again, even if you're doing everything right. It's no
Speaker 4: different than the snowplop tractors, right. You know, people are
Speaker 4: not going to trust that we're going to plow the
Speaker 4: street until they've seen that we've done it repeated this week.
Speaker 4: And we're going to be a big test for that.
Speaker 4: And I have every faith that we're going to do it,
Speaker 4: but we have to continue to prove it. It's the
Speaker 4: same thing for the city and development. It's the same
Speaker 4: thing you know, for anything we're asking right now. The
Speaker 4: city has to prove that we earn your trust for
Speaker 4: your sacrifice, and I would like to see more of
Speaker 4: that before we can go out and ask people for
Speaker 4: a tax increase.
Speaker 1: Ye where I'm out right now?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it makes sense, Seth.
Speaker 3: I miss if I didn't ask this, because I can
Speaker 3: sense the frustration your voice is, like, we just keep
Speaker 3: turning butter over here. You know, we plan study and
Speaker 3: there's a problem with the execution. Is that One of
Speaker 3: the reasons why you decided to throw your hat.
Speaker 2: In the ring to run for State treasure.
Speaker 4: Well, I think that the first part is we have
Speaker 4: had a lot of positive momentum at the city. I
Speaker 4: think you will see that this weekend with a snowstorm
Speaker 4: that comes in. You know, the streets are going to
Speaker 4: get taken care of, and I'm really confident on that good.
Speaker 4: The State Treasure's race is an exciting opportunity and frankly,
Speaker 4: it ties into a lot of the frustrations I have
Speaker 4: around development as a whole, and I think there's an
Speaker 4: opportunity with the State Treasure's Office to really be able
Speaker 4: to leverage the two hundred and eighty billion dollars in
Speaker 4: investment that goes into the Treasure's office to work with
Speaker 4: banks to make sure that as they're doing ther you know,
Speaker 4: coming back and doing development deals, that they're actually doing
Speaker 4: that for the benefit of our community, not just the
Speaker 4: bottom line ROI. And the benefit of the community is
Speaker 4: small businesses. Percent of ailen of Ohio business is small business,
Speaker 4: and the Treasure's Office has the ability to impact that.
Speaker 4: So everything I've talked about from when I was in
Speaker 4: college Hill the city council, it requires big creative thinking
Speaker 4: around big creative investments, and the State Treasurer's office is
Speaker 4: the biggest one you can do with that. So when
Speaker 4: asked to run and I read about it, I though,
Speaker 4: this is opportunity really be able to do some creative things,
Speaker 4: not just for Cincinnati, but for re heal.
Speaker 2: All right, very good, Seth. I'm sure we'll talk later.
Speaker 1: Brother.
Speaker 3: Appreciate the time as always, man, be good and we'll
Speaker 3: catch up some other time.
Speaker 2: Seth, all the best.
Speaker 1: Thanks.
Speaker 3: All right, comes member Seth Walsh in the Scott Slow
Speaker 3: Show on seven hundred w welw with news. In just minutes,
Speaker 3: we'll talk about this. In return, I'm gonna have Alisha
Speaker 3: Reeson coming up at about a little more than a
Speaker 3: half hour here on the show to discuss the county's proposal.
Speaker 3: Now they want they want to increase the children's Services
Speaker 3: love you amount I haven't been that since twenty eighteen.
Speaker 3: That go up anywhere between eighty and over one hundred percent,
Speaker 3: depending on what numbers they come up with. In addition
Speaker 3: to this proposed income tax in the city and in
Speaker 3: conjunction with the property tax increase in general, the property
Speaker 3: valuation issues like it's all coming at you, and when
Speaker 3: you hear this, you go, I know it's for the kids,
Speaker 3: for the kids, for the kids, but how likely are
Speaker 3: you to support more of these tax increases. We'll talk
Speaker 3: to you about that right afternoons on seven hundred WWD.
Speaker 3: Good morning, Scott flown back with you seven hundred WLWL
Speaker 3: some light flurries for early morning tomorrow, I think. And
Speaker 3: then we're waiting on the timeline and this winter storm
Speaker 3: that's moving in the line of death. The axis of
Speaker 3: the storm passes directly over Louisville and Cincinnati. Now that,
Speaker 3: of course, we're waiting to see how much that changes,
Speaker 3: if at all. If it changes, different story. But if
Speaker 3: it doesn't change, we're gonna get dumped on this weekend
Speaker 3: for sure. So we'll let you know how that plays out.
Speaker 3: I just got off the phone with Seth Walsh, council member.
Speaker 3: If you missed it till it'll be on the podcast
Speaker 3: after the show. You can check out this entirety if
Speaker 3: you definitely if you live in the city, kind of
Speaker 3: a double whammy for you. So Seth Walsh was talking
Speaker 3: about the proposal here for a increase the Cincinnati income tax,
Speaker 3: and comparatively speaking, you know, we all hate paying tex
Speaker 3: We want stuff, we want someone else to pay for it,
Speaker 3: and somebody paying for it means usually tax payers. But
Speaker 3: our income tax as far as city goes, it's pretty
Speaker 3: low right now, it's one point eight percent, and I
Speaker 3: mean low because comparatively, Columbus and Cleveland are both two
Speaker 3: and a half percent.
Speaker 2: We're kind of right there.
Speaker 3: I think there's only one even small obviously smaller city
Speaker 3: than us that that's tax rate is lower than that,
Speaker 3: but pretty good compared to Columbus and Cleveland. However, there's
Speaker 3: always however, the reality is so that we also will
Speaker 3: have and Alicia Reese is going to give us at
Speaker 3: ten oh seven this morning with me, because we need
Speaker 3: money for children's services, and the county is proposing a
Speaker 3: children's services levey that at a minimum, at a minimum,
Speaker 3: would be an eighty percent increase over where it is
Speaker 3: right now. That that eighty percent increase would raise about
Speaker 3: sixty five million dollars. The target number that they really
Speaker 3: want is one hundred and twenty three million, and they're like, well,
Speaker 3: we're going to get the one to twenty three that's
Speaker 3: the ideal funding level for us for children's services, and
Speaker 3: that includes obviously abuse in the galact the hotline for
Speaker 3: them and that infrastructure. But foster care takes a lot
Speaker 3: of money. Family preservation, reunification, independent living. Oh, there's a
Speaker 3: lot of things in there, and this one strikes at
Speaker 3: my heart and my heart strings because of my involved
Speaker 3: with children's charities, foremost right now being Marty Graff for
Speaker 3: Homeless Kids happening at the Northern Kentucky Convention Center on
Speaker 3: Fat Tuesday, I will be the King again and we
Speaker 3: raise enough money to feed homeless children in Cincinnati, feed
Speaker 3: children in Cincinnati for an entire year with that one night.
Speaker 3: I'm very proud to be part of that, a very
Speaker 3: small part of all that money and goodwill. And you know,
Speaker 3: children don't ask for this stuff. You're born in the world,
Speaker 3: you have no say. And unfortunately there are kids that
Speaker 3: are in an in growing increasing number of children who
Speaker 3: are falling between the cracks. There's no doubt about it.
Speaker 3: Mental health is shoes are getting worse, not better, and
Speaker 3: that's all come into a head and we need to
Speaker 3: ask our money for eight years. Obviously you're going to
Speaker 3: that ask is going to be greater with each passing year.
Speaker 3: I know also the reality of this as much as
Speaker 3: we need to fund children's services and take care of
Speaker 3: these kids, and if we don't, we're gonna're gonna pay
Speaker 3: more down the line. That's the American way. It's like healthcare.
Speaker 3: If we took better care of ourselves, we'd be less
Speaker 3: dependent on our healthcare, but we don't, uh, and so
Speaker 3: we pay at the back end as opposed to the
Speaker 3: front end. And the same is true here. The more
Speaker 3: you pay at the front end, the less we'll spend
Speaker 3: at the back end. And I just don't say, and honestly,
Speaker 3: I feel it because if you're in the city and
Speaker 3: Seth Walsh was talking about the mayor and his proposal
Speaker 3: to increase the spending relative to a money got from
Speaker 3: a income tax, and the county's asking you for money
Speaker 3: for a levy. You also got the fact that the
Speaker 3: state of Ohio is hitting you with higher property taxes,
Speaker 3: and it goes on and on and on and on
Speaker 3: and on, and you're really feeling the squeeze if you're
Speaker 3: in the city of Cincinnati, because you only have so
Speaker 3: much money to spend, because at the end of the day,
Speaker 3: you do have to look out your own interests. We're
Speaker 3: all selfish, and that's the way the world really works
Speaker 3: on a lot of countries, and you know, especially as socialists,
Speaker 3: don't believe that, but that's how it is. You look
Speaker 3: out for number one primarily, and we all do that.
Speaker 3: But also I think it's in company on us. Whatever
Speaker 3: extra that we have, we look at how we want
Speaker 3: to spend that, whether it's children's services or in this
Speaker 3: case the income tax increase to pay for crime prevention.
Speaker 3: Affordable housing a different matter, however, I would look at
Speaker 3: it and go, okay, are they being good stewards with
Speaker 3: their money?
Speaker 2: Now?
Speaker 3: County aside, which of course we just saw that Bengal
Speaker 3: still get struck better than it used to be, but
Speaker 3: not as good as most other teams have. The mayor
Speaker 3: through these words, and I think if he continues down
Speaker 3: this road, I think it's going to hurt their chances
Speaker 3: based on what I just said. So you hear about well, okay,
Speaker 3: there's the money going well, crime prevention okay, good affordable housing,
Speaker 3: you know, okay, we need to do that, and disrupting poverty,
Speaker 3: Poverty the root cause of so much to the violence. Okay,
Speaker 3: And that's true. If you're poor, you know there's a
Speaker 3: higher likelihood you're involved in crime. But the reality is
Speaker 3: most poor people aren't criminals. If you look around the
Speaker 3: United States, most poor people are not out there robbing, stealing, raping,
Speaker 3: and going out. It's about one percent of the population.
Speaker 3: So that' said, if I give you more money to
Speaker 3: fight crime in the root cause of violence is poverty. Okay,
Speaker 3: we gave you one hundred and fifty thousand dollars for
Speaker 3: the cameras. And then when we had the murder of
Speaker 3: an eleven year old girl who talked about innocent children,
Speaker 3: eleven year old girl playing the playground on New Year's Day.
Speaker 2: And there's no.
Speaker 3: Video despite the fact that we're supposed to be came
Speaker 3: working cameras up and they weren't. That caused the question
Speaker 3: your competency. Also, this is outside the control of the mayor,
Speaker 3: a council person or certainly Hamilin County commissioner. Is that
Speaker 3: when Ryan Hinton did what he did on that day
Speaker 3: and set this whole thing in motion, culminating with the
Speaker 3: murder of Larry Henderson and all the discussions we're having
Speaker 3: right now with his dad, Ryan Hinton his three colleagues
Speaker 3: at that time as co perpetrators. One of them is
Speaker 3: yet to have a court date, but just yesterday. These
Speaker 3: are individuals, young individuals who had prior run ins with
Speaker 3: the lost so they had a jacket. They also were
Speaker 3: in the commission of a felony stealing cars, not the
Speaker 3: first time they did this, stealing my car and using
Speaker 3: it with a gun. Now it wasn't just Ryan Hitton
Speaker 3: who had a gun. One of the other guys had
Speaker 3: a gun and left it in the car. Fortunately that's
Speaker 3: why he's alive and Ryan Hinton isn't. That was his decision,
Speaker 3: in a day of really really bad decisions and maybe
Speaker 3: a whole lifetime i'llbeit short of bad decisions, that was
Speaker 3: a good decision. Don't bring the gun with me. Look
Speaker 3: what happened to Ryan Hinton and that individual received ten
Speaker 3: months in jail. Now you already had priors. Does that
Speaker 3: seem a little light? The other individual just got probation
Speaker 3: and we know how a lot of these individuals, I
Speaker 3: can't say about this particular run will see, but a
Speaker 3: lot of them simply just don't care. You know, people
Speaker 3: are ordered to get a job, report back to court
Speaker 3: and they just simply go, yeah, yeah, I'll absolutely but
Speaker 3: then literally commit crimes the minute they leave and thumb,
Speaker 3: their nose up in the system. How is money going
Speaker 3: to solve that? How is you how them going into
Speaker 3: your pocket? We need more money.
Speaker 2: We got to disrupt poverty. How do you disrupt poverty?
Speaker 3: Poverty has been around since the world's been turning, and
Speaker 3: you can make an argue in America that that gap
Speaker 3: between the haves and the have nots is getting greater.
Speaker 2: Sure I believe that now.
Speaker 3: Is it is it the government's job to take that
Speaker 3: money and redistribute it for programs? Because I, again I
Speaker 3: see better than I hear. We've had a couple of
Speaker 3: generations now since the War on Poverty began under Lyndon
Speaker 3: Bains Johnson. Then there are wars on poverty prior to that.
Speaker 3: You can argue FDR the Great Depression, but you know
Speaker 3: this one in more recent era, Lyndon Bains Johnson took
Speaker 3: over for Kenny said, you know, we're gonna initiate a
Speaker 3: lot of Kennedy's program uh programs. We're also gonna throw
Speaker 3: some gas on the fire here too, and we're gonna
Speaker 3: have this project where we're you know, we're gonna we're
Speaker 3: gonna solve probab, We're gonna wipe out poverty. We're gonna
Speaker 3: take this money and dedicate it and we're going to
Speaker 3: build housing projects and we're lift people up. And what
Speaker 3: wind up happening is you just created a couple more
Speaker 3: generations of poor people. So the idea of spending the
Speaker 3: money the way to do that. Of course, you gave
Speaker 3: people money, and then there's a solid argument for saying, well,
Speaker 3: if you continue to give people money. You know, the
Speaker 3: old adage about teaching a man to fish applies here.
Speaker 3: That is, we give you money, and it doesn't really
Speaker 3: teach you how to be self sustaining. That is, to
Speaker 3: teach you to fish, not give you fish. Right, And
Speaker 3: some people, unfortunately, because of situations in life, maybe mental issues,
Speaker 3: health issues, or other reasons, can't do that.
Speaker 2: I get that, but that's not everybody.
Speaker 3: And so we created generations of people simply depending on
Speaker 3: a system.
Speaker 2: That's a problem.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 3: I was kind of thinking this though the break here
Speaker 3: just saw news mount Orb for example. This is something
Speaker 3: totally unrelated, but I'll make it related.
Speaker 2: Mount of Orb.
Speaker 3: They're discussing one of these data centers. You know, data
Speaker 3: center's going on a lover the Wilmington's battling at Hamilton
Speaker 3: and Butler Counties, Battling and Mount orb Ohio is I
Speaker 3: think fifth in the country when it comes to this
Speaker 3: new technology data centers.
Speaker 2: We have space outside of the big cities. We have space.
Speaker 3: Makes sense, right, you put these huge farms. Now there's
Speaker 3: gonna be drained on energy supplies, and of course we're
Speaker 3: I always talk about this word a crisis when it
Speaker 3: comes to our supply of reliable energy. Yeah, you can
Speaker 3: get that from the United States, but it's also about
Speaker 3: transmission and generation and transmission. You can, you know, drill baby, drill,
Speaker 3: all the all you want, but you got to build
Speaker 3: a plant and then you got to figure out how
Speaker 3: to get it from point A to point B. With electricity,
Speaker 3: it's even more difficult. It's even more difficult. And so
Speaker 3: you look at these farms that are going in, these
Speaker 3: huge expanses of data centers are going and out in
Speaker 3: the rural areas. You know, we do have some vacant
Speaker 3: spaces downtown with COVID and of course the work from
Speaker 3: Home Initiative. Now a lot of companies are mandating return
Speaker 3: to work. We're turned off. But downtown real estate, rental,
Speaker 3: real esa is not where it used to be. It's
Speaker 3: not a guy. This is probably not going to come
Speaker 3: back in that regard too, simply because we've moved on.
Speaker 3: As we saw during the nineteen sixties and fifties and sixties,
Speaker 3: when we build highways that got people to the suburbs,
Speaker 3: and then of course crimes started to re or it's
Speaker 3: ugly head in the cities and people moved to the suburbs,
Speaker 3: and it took the tax spase out. And we're talking
Speaker 3: about that and it all fits together. I think the
Speaker 3: same is true when it comes to that. So we've
Speaker 3: got all these data centers that are going in out
Speaker 3: in the rural areas, maybe it's time to flip the script.
Speaker 3: And you know, we've got some vacant buildings downtown or
Speaker 3: some areas anyway we've got You need water, So there's
Speaker 3: the Ohio River right there, largest source of water we
Speaker 3: have in our area. And you already have infrastructure in place,
Speaker 3: meaning electricita. What instead of building out, could you build up?
Speaker 3: Could you do a number of smaller data centers in
Speaker 3: a city like Cincinnati. Is that something you should look at? Now,
Speaker 3: Grant it's not virgin real estate and you start from scratch,
Speaker 3: and yeah, but the kind I understand, you know, building,
Speaker 3: and it just won't work in a a in a
Speaker 3: skyscraper if you will in one of these buildings. But
Speaker 3: and and you know, maybe those vacancy rates are completely
Speaker 3: But I'm thinking of the cities like you know, Dayton
Speaker 3: or Toledo or places like that where you know you
Speaker 3: have a lot of vacancies downtown. I mean, maybe that's
Speaker 3: something to look at. Anyone saying instead of the you know,
Speaker 3: the rural counties, do we try and learn some of
Speaker 3: these data centers to Hamilton County and help the tax
Speaker 3: base there? We have the we have, we have real estate,
Speaker 3: so to speak. Maybe it's not wide and expansive. Instead
Speaker 3: of going out, you go up. But is that something
Speaker 3: to look at? Is that something to consider? I don't know,
Speaker 3: that's way outside my scope of knowing why that would
Speaker 3: would I guess it seems like it makes sense to me.
Speaker 3: But I guess there's reasons you can make as to
Speaker 3: why that wouldn't work either. But just thinking in those
Speaker 3: terms is like, how do we instead of taking tax
Speaker 3: money and giving it back to people in the form
Speaker 3: of subsidy, how do we create more jobs for folks?
Speaker 3: And you know, the data centers in Cincinnati, Hamilin County.
Speaker 3: That seems to me a good idea. Now, of course
Speaker 3: you would have because of the nature of politics here
Speaker 3: being more blue than red in the county, especially in
Speaker 3: the city, or it's deep blue, you're gonna have the
Speaker 3: environmental assault worked up about that. But you know it's
Speaker 3: the energy you all the look at it this way.
Speaker 3: All of the protests that we have, whether it's Minnesota
Speaker 3: or anything else, it all begins online. So we're really
Speaker 3: good at being NIMBYs. Not in my backyard. So we
Speaker 3: want the data, we want the infrastructure. We demand information
Speaker 3: on demand, and yet when we have okay, well we've
Speaker 3: got to figure out a way to get it to
Speaker 3: you faster, be more consistent about it as we had
Speaker 3: an AI. Yeah, well we don't want that in our area.
Speaker 3: You want to use it, but we don't want We
Speaker 3: don't want the infrastructure. It doesn't make a lot of sense.
Speaker 3: I get it, but it doesn't make a lot of sense.
Speaker 3: Like if you want yo look at it this way.
Speaker 3: Just one was last week at and T. But Verizon
Speaker 3: went down and it had more to do with AI
Speaker 3: than it did. There's no hack or anything like that.
Speaker 3: It wasn't malware or something the network and people online.
Speaker 3: They're losing their minds. They're mad at Verizon because it
Speaker 3: went down, and maybe you should be because they're using
Speaker 3: AI I guess to expand their network but instead of
Speaker 3: real people. And maybe we're not ready for that yet.
Speaker 3: But you don't know until you try. And it was
Speaker 3: down to people. I'm trying to get this in verdecation.
Speaker 3: I can't and they're losing their minds over this stuff.
Speaker 3: Like well, at the same time, are these the same
Speaker 3: people that would protest building a data center. It's like,
Speaker 3: you know, we want I want to use the phone.
Speaker 3: I want I demand information in the blink of an eye,
Speaker 3: and I want to have AI solve complex problems or
Speaker 3: answer tough questions for me, or take all this data
Speaker 3: that I have and break it down into and basically
Speaker 3: do my job for me, which is awesome. But I
Speaker 3: don't want the data centers going in my neighborhood. I
Speaker 3: want to go somewhere else.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 3: It seems like, okay, well, why don't we do that
Speaker 3: in cities that are struggling and looking for tax revenue?
Speaker 2: Seems to it seems to be something to look at. Hey,
Speaker 2: real quick on this. Let me get to a Steve
Speaker 2: on a sale on seven hundred Wwteve?
Speaker 6: Hey, yeah, quick, note, you can't go off instead of
Speaker 6: wide when you're building data centers because of poward load
Speaker 6: requirements for going up are so high in cost.
Speaker 2: I'm trying you broke up the what the what going up?
Speaker 6: Is the poor loading cost?
Speaker 2: Oh okay, I got you.
Speaker 6: Yes, So I did many of projects for AT and
Speaker 6: T and we would go into buildings, then we would
Speaker 6: have to do a whole buildout of infrastructure for foreloading.
Speaker 2: Gotcha, battery makes sense? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, So yeah, what is this something you think you
Speaker 3: think there'd be a way to do well? I mean
Speaker 3: I looking at some of the areas, and you know
Speaker 3: people are always well, we're wiping out a whole city
Speaker 3: block for this, and yeah, but you know the point
Speaker 3: of it is is let's look for reasons to bring
Speaker 3: revenue in as opposed as opposed to just going well,
Speaker 3: I guess you're going to raise your taxes us. Okay,
Speaker 3: So the load, the load of the flow, you did
Speaker 3: basically have to build an entirely new building. If you're
Speaker 3: going to do that, then the floors would be fifteen
Speaker 3: feet thre got.
Speaker 2: It, Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 6: And then the last comment also is like you said,
Speaker 6: but you said it in a more professional way than
Speaker 6: I would have. Hamblet County's pretty dag on blue and corrupt.
Speaker 6: So after doing many projects in this town or New
Speaker 6: York City, you know, it kind of goes back to
Speaker 6: the Rodney Dangerfield of school that came out.
Speaker 3: You got to grease to the wheel, got to pay
Speaker 3: off the unions. Got it well that you know, the
Speaker 3: deeper the blue, the more corrupt it is. But I
Speaker 3: will say the deeper the red the marker, the more
Speaker 3: the one side controls that, the more corruption you get.
Speaker 3: That's how it works. Slowly on the Home of the
Speaker 3: Red seven hundred w sincenat money money, money, money, money, money.
Speaker 3: Everybody wants more. Hamblet County may ask voters to increase
Speaker 3: the Children's Services levy. Last time we did this was
Speaker 3: about eight years ago. So the current funding is that
Speaker 3: we just don't have enough money for all the kids.
Speaker 3: And this is not new, Butler County is just going
Speaker 3: to They just introduced I think a new two mill
Speaker 3: levee that they want to pass as well. It's all
Speaker 3: over the state as well, because that poverty gap continues
Speaker 3: to increase. There's just not enough money anymore to care
Speaker 3: for the kids. And this would fund the abuse neglect hotlines,
Speaker 3: foster care, family preservation, reunification, independent living programs. I'm involved,
Speaker 3: as you know, King of Mardi Gras coming up in
Speaker 3: Northern Kentucky Convention Center on Fat Tuesday. We raise money
Speaker 3: to feed kids for three agencies here in Cincinnati, and
Speaker 3: so it's a very real thing. Currently, the cost for
Speaker 3: this levy is eighty one bucks per hundred one hundred
Speaker 3: thousand dollars of home value. This one would increase at
Speaker 3: minimum eighty percent and eighty percent increase at minimum on
Speaker 3: that's joining the show is our good friend, Hamlin County
Speaker 3: Commissioner Alisha Reese.
Speaker 2: Welcome back. How are you.
Speaker 7: I'm doing good?
Speaker 8: Long Happy new.
Speaker 3: Year, Happy new Year. I don't know if it's a
Speaker 3: happy new year yet. And I'm looking at these numbers.
Speaker 3: I got to be honest with you, I'm like, it's
Speaker 3: making me blush. You know, a minimum eighty percent increase,
Speaker 3: the optimal number would double that from sixty five million
Speaker 3: to one hundred and twenty three million dollars. The ideal
Speaker 3: funding levels one hundred and twenty three. That's Alicia. You know,
Speaker 3: we've got you. You're out all the time. You talk about, hey,
Speaker 3: you know the stadium thing and you're not getting your
Speaker 3: money back from that, and then the property tax valuations.
Speaker 3: And I also I look at all these things, the
Speaker 3: cost of livings going through the roof as well. It's
Speaker 3: never a good time to ind so levy. But boy,
Speaker 3: you're not. I'm looking at this going this is a
Speaker 3: tough ask.
Speaker 8: Right now, no one, It definitely is.
Speaker 7: I mean, it's the timing of doing something like this,
Speaker 7: and one of the things we've got to do. I
Speaker 7: wasn't on the commission, uh, you know, eight years ago. Uh.
Speaker 7: But when I came on the commission, they said they
Speaker 7: had combined two levies and at that time we would have,
Speaker 7: you know.
Speaker 8: Additional money.
Speaker 7: And in twenty twenty four December had been asking about
Speaker 7: how much money do we have in the reserves and
Speaker 7: at that time is that they said one hundred.
Speaker 8: Million dollars in reserves. That's twenty twenty four December.
Speaker 7: Now you fast forward at twenty twenty five of December,
Speaker 7: it was well, wait a minute, now we have a
Speaker 7: thirty million dollars potential gap. Uh, in order to make
Speaker 7: it and keep things going. Uh, And so I said,
Speaker 7: wait a minute. You know, I'm going to ask what
Speaker 7: the taxpayers are going to ask, how are did you
Speaker 7: have one.
Speaker 8: Hundred million dollars in reserves?
Speaker 7: Now you're bankrupt almost and now just in time to
Speaker 7: have a levee. And so I've been asking those questions
Speaker 7: is people have asked me and the timing is just
Speaker 7: the horrible you know. Number one, the reason there is
Speaker 7: this children's services levee because we have unfunded mandates by
Speaker 7: the states that we have to pay for this and
Speaker 7: it'll come out of the general fund and those kind
Speaker 7: of things if we don't have the levees. I call
Speaker 7: it trickle down taxation from the state. They say we
Speaker 7: cut at the state, but then mandate at the local
Speaker 7: level to raise taxes. I am not convinced to move
Speaker 7: toward more money right now, yet I want to get
Speaker 7: all the information because I'm looking at the timing of this.
Speaker 7: Homeowners are getting their tax bill. It's an increase on
Speaker 7: property taxes. At the same time as you've vindicated, the
Speaker 7: city is looking at if you live in the city
Speaker 7: of Cincinnati, they're looking at an income tax increase. So
Speaker 7: now your check is gonna get shorter at the same time,
Speaker 7: your gas and.
Speaker 8: Electric have gone up. Some people have tripled.
Speaker 7: Water bills was an increase at the same time, and
Speaker 7: a lot of people, some people have even lost their jobs,
Speaker 7: have been forced into retirement. Inflation is there. It can't
Speaker 7: go to the grocery store and buy anything because that's
Speaker 7: jumping out the roof. And so we've got to look
Speaker 7: at these things at timing and at the same time,
Speaker 7: as government entities, we must look at everything, not in
Speaker 7: a silo, but in general. In other words, we can't
Speaker 7: look at the Bengals deal as a separate thing. And
Speaker 7: we got money, and we can make it work and
Speaker 7: we can get creative, which I voted against because it
Speaker 7: cut out.
Speaker 8: The homeowners getting a break.
Speaker 7: Now on the other side, so we gave that deal
Speaker 7: away with no break to the homeowners of thirty percent.
Speaker 7: Now we come over here, and now you want to
Speaker 7: say what the homeowner's got to pay it increase because
Speaker 7: over here we don't have any money. And so I'm
Speaker 7: one that don't think does not think that these are
Speaker 7: two sets of different money, because they all are. You know,
Speaker 7: that comes from sales tax and those kinds of things,
Speaker 7: and we have to. We can't be over here said
Speaker 7: no money, and then over here we're talking about arenas,
Speaker 7: we're talking about eight hundred million dollars, potentially, idea on
Speaker 7: the bank. We're talking all these things on here. But
Speaker 7: then when it at the end, you say, I want
Speaker 7: the taxpayers, the homeowners who barely can make it to
Speaker 7: pay for everything, and we get to them, we're broken.
Speaker 2: But we need to develop that arenas.
Speaker 3: Ye arenas, they bring money and we we you know,
Speaker 3: we need that outside money to come here, Convention Center,
Speaker 3: all that stuff.
Speaker 2: That's good. That's how you increase the tax base and
Speaker 2: produce the brank.
Speaker 7: I agree. I agree that we want money to come in,
Speaker 7: but when we have the money that comes in, I'm
Speaker 7: looking where it's going. I mean, we're doing things and
Speaker 7: it's not going to help us. I'm or you know,
Speaker 7: I'm tourism former assistant director for.
Speaker 8: The whole state and everything.
Speaker 7: Those dollars should be going in to reduce the cost
Speaker 7: on the homeowners. Those dollars don't do that. Those dollars
Speaker 7: come in and now we're on another development and then
Speaker 7: they don't have to pay taxes. It's an abatement, it's
Speaker 7: a you know free, we're taxing everybody, but nothing. I'm
Speaker 7: looking at the pot. I'm thinking the same thing you're thinking.
Speaker 7: We bring all this money in, it's to go over
Speaker 7: here and now we'll help the homeowners and the local people.
Speaker 7: But it doesn't do that because we haven't put our
Speaker 7: foot down to make sure that it does that. There's
Speaker 7: these dollars, these oh we if we do this, this
Speaker 7: Bengal deal, we could have got I think, a better
Speaker 7: deal and gotten where the homeowners wouldn't have had to
Speaker 7: be written out of the deal.
Speaker 8: But we did it.
Speaker 7: So we've got to be more intentional. And that's my fight.
Speaker 7: My fight is we can't look at these is siloed
Speaker 7: because if I'm grandma with my house and I look
Speaker 7: and see in the newspaper that you got a you know,
Speaker 7: a three hundred and fifty million dollar deal with to
Speaker 7: take for example, the Bengals deal, we wanted to have
Speaker 7: some state money so we can reduce our money, so
Speaker 7: we can have the homeowners. Guess what, we didn't get that.
Speaker 7: Now they're saying, we're going to go for state money.
Speaker 7: And I asked the administrator, if we get this state money,
Speaker 7: will that reduce the cost. So now we can give
Speaker 7: the homeowners a big break. He said, no, that we
Speaker 7: would have to do matching money.
Speaker 8: That's more money.
Speaker 7: So if we go to state, now there's more money.
Speaker 7: So there hasn't been enough intentionality saying every deal we
Speaker 7: must leverage in order to cut the cost on the
Speaker 7: local taxpayers. And that's what they're not seeing. They're not
Speaker 7: seeing that that is happening, and so unfortunately, well we're
Speaker 7: in this situation. But let me just say, in Adams
Speaker 7: County it went to the ballot children, and these are
Speaker 7: people normally vote for it. I mean, like you said,
Speaker 7: Adams County, they said they couldn't afford it. They voted
Speaker 7: it down. Claremont County said they couldn't afford they voted it.
Speaker 7: So we're in a situation. Yeah, we're in a situation
Speaker 7: where people don't want to make that choice, but they're
Speaker 7: making choices between do I save my house, do I
Speaker 7: be about my groceres, my medicine because they keep putting
Speaker 7: taxes on top of them and the costs keeps going up.
Speaker 2: You're not selling this vote for it.
Speaker 7: If this thing fails, I'm saying, well, well, one of
Speaker 7: the things that we're looking at, Plan a is. I
Speaker 7: told them, minister, let's come and be creative and see
Speaker 7: have we looked at everything to be creative, not do
Speaker 7: what we always been doing. Let's see what's what's available
Speaker 7: to what would be the level? You know most of
Speaker 7: the time we put things on they've being flat.
Speaker 8: What would be the level?
Speaker 7: Uh. The other thing is going to the state seeing
Speaker 7: you know, the governor can you help because this has
Speaker 7: been a big thing and these are state mandates. So
Speaker 7: for me, I want to comb everything first, is what
Speaker 7: I'm saying. I'm not telling people not to vote. And
Speaker 7: then the other thing is out there options. Can you
Speaker 7: put options on a ballot? Can you put a B
Speaker 7: and C on a ballot? Or do you only have
Speaker 7: to do one number? You know what I'm saying. So
Speaker 7: people say, well, wait a minute. I want to support it,
Speaker 7: but I can't go to this level. But I could
Speaker 7: go to this level, why I wait till it get
Speaker 7: voted down and then come back with a smaller level.
Speaker 7: So I don't know what those are, but I said,
Speaker 7: these are difficult and different times, so we have to
Speaker 7: think differently. So we definitely got to support our children.
Speaker 7: I've certainly have been about that youth employment and foster
Speaker 7: care and those kinds of things. But I also think
Speaker 7: that we've got to come up with some other solutions
Speaker 7: because what's happening with the foster care the providers are
Speaker 7: charging us out the roofs now and they're they're not
Speaker 7: even doing RFPs with us. They just sit back and say,
Speaker 7: you know you're desperate, you're gonna come to us, and
Speaker 7: now we're gonna price gal And so what are we
Speaker 7: gonna do about the price galage? Because it's not If
Speaker 7: we can't stop the bleeding, it's gonna continue to go up,
Speaker 7: up and up. So I'm looking for us to put
Speaker 7: all our thinking caps on and look at the what
Speaker 7: is the best way, But take everything into consideration is
Speaker 7: what I'm saying. Everything into consideration and put it together
Speaker 7: and uh, let's see where we go from there. But
Speaker 7: that's you know, we're in a tough spot right now.
Speaker 7: But we've got to think it through because I would
Speaker 7: hate for it. You know, what happened in Adams County
Speaker 7: would happen in Claremont County. But if for us that
Speaker 7: you go back to the drawing board. So my thing is,
Speaker 7: let's don't go back to the drawing board. Let's go
Speaker 7: to the drawing board now and try to see if
Speaker 7: we could come with something that would be a more balance.
Speaker 3: Alicia Reese, we've seen this happen before in the county
Speaker 3: but also well as the city pretty much everywhere is
Speaker 3: all right, you weren't around, you were in an office
Speaker 3: in twenty eighteen when this was last passed. Why did
Speaker 3: the county wait until the cost became so unsustainable rather
Speaker 3: than pursuing smaller, more frequent increases.
Speaker 2: And you know, if.
Speaker 3: We are we just going to do this every year,
Speaker 3: and are we going to come back another ten years
Speaker 3: and go, oh, we need to triple it now? I mean,
Speaker 3: why not put this on the ballot sooner?
Speaker 7: You know, those was a very good question. I mean
Speaker 7: those are questions that I would I have, and that.
Speaker 8: We have to look at you.
Speaker 7: But I think people didn't want to have to vote
Speaker 7: on levees every single year. We have other levees as well.
Speaker 7: We've got the uh, you know, we've got the hospital levee, right,
Speaker 7: We've got a number of other levees. And I don't
Speaker 7: I don't think you know you're going to be on
Speaker 7: the ballot every year with a levee. But I also
Speaker 7: think that we've got to look at this rising cost
Speaker 7: price gouging if you will, of those facilities where we
Speaker 7: have to you know, place the chill in those facilities.
Speaker 7: But we got to do something about this price gouging.
Speaker 7: And that's why I think the governor and uh you know,
Speaker 7: possibly you know, the governor Attorney general to all get
Speaker 7: in place, because this is not just the Hamilton County problem.
Speaker 7: This is around the whole state of Ohio. And if
Speaker 7: we keep going in this way where you know, supplying
Speaker 7: demand right, it's going to really it's going to you know,
Speaker 7: bankrupt the taxpayers. And so that's why I want us
Speaker 7: to not just hey, we're putting a levee on, let's
Speaker 7: talk about how like you said, let's get some new ways,
Speaker 7: some new ideas, let's get some help from the state.
Speaker 7: Uh So when we do have something, we could tell
Speaker 7: the taxpayers that hey, this is not something that's gonna
Speaker 7: just keep them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, it's a it's a tough ask.
Speaker 3: But at the same time, I think most of us
Speaker 3: are pretty empathetic towards us because we have kids, young,
Speaker 3: young kids who you know, you're born in this world,
Speaker 3: you don't get to choose how your parents are, your
Speaker 3: economic situation. We have no say that, and they are
Speaker 3: entering care with more intensive mental health problems, more behavioral issues,
Speaker 3: more developmental needs. The cases from the case because I
Speaker 3: talked to are getting more severe. There's an increase in
Speaker 3: total case load, and so the whole system, it's not
Speaker 3: just one air. It seems like the whole system is strained,
Speaker 3: and we got to figure out a way to fund that.
Speaker 1: Well.
Speaker 7: I definitely agree with you. I mean, these are innocent
Speaker 7: children who you know, it's not on them, and that's
Speaker 7: why I don't want to have a put the taxpayers
Speaker 7: in a position because we've had people that have been supportive.
Speaker 7: I mean, we've supported this. I feel like our county
Speaker 7: has been you know, we've always been one to step up.
Speaker 7: We want children to have a fair chance. Children are
Speaker 7: not born in equal circumstances, but we don't want to
Speaker 7: put the homeowner in that position. And that's what I'm
Speaker 7: trying to do because I'm hearing from people that they
Speaker 7: have normal support this and everything else. But I can't survive,
Speaker 7: and so we've got to have some kind of a
Speaker 7: balance so that the people who are allies don't become adversaries.
Speaker 7: And that's what I think we got to show that
Speaker 7: we've looked at everything. We trying something different where we
Speaker 7: we we've we've talked to it. We've got try to
Speaker 7: get the state involved where we're dealing with this price
Speaker 7: gouging of some of the placement areas that have you know,
Speaker 7: went up on not everybody, but there's some that have
Speaker 7: went skyrocketed. And that's how we went from one hundred
Speaker 7: million dollars in one year of one hundred million dollars
Speaker 7: that we had in reserve in one year. So now
Speaker 7: you know we're rope in terms of that. So we
Speaker 7: we've got to do something about that problem as well.
Speaker 7: And then I don't think it's just solved with just
Speaker 7: Jeff's the levee. We've got to now come with you know,
Speaker 7: here are.
Speaker 8: Some new parameters.
Speaker 7: Or some new things, like you said, so it just
Speaker 7: does a balloon out of control.
Speaker 3: How do you stay ahead of inflation? And that's the
Speaker 3: thing is, uh, you know, we'll pay for this, but
Speaker 3: in short term, you know that's the budget's going to
Speaker 3: shrink anyway because of inflation out stabilizing some degree, but
Speaker 3: seems like the cost of everything is going on is
Speaker 3: that also the reason for the big ask here.
Speaker 7: Well, inflation is. But my understanding is that some of
Speaker 7: the providers and the care that we need, they around
Speaker 7: the state. This is a problem around the state. They
Speaker 7: skyrocketed their prices, you know what I'm saying, And we
Speaker 7: didn't have a choice. So either you take it or
Speaker 7: leave it. And those were the things that I understand.
Speaker 7: The consultants he had, the consultant, I don't know if
Speaker 7: he received the consultants had factored in some inflation. You know,
Speaker 7: you always cost the living, but they hadn't factored in
Speaker 7: that these providers that would not participate in the RFP
Speaker 7: process would sit back and say they got to come
Speaker 7: to us. And then when the county came to them,
Speaker 7: they said, this is the price, take it or lead it.
Speaker 7: They didn't factory was going to be that high. So
Speaker 7: I think inflation is something that I mean, of course
Speaker 7: you can't say how hot the inflation it's going to be,
Speaker 7: but it is factored in. We've got to kill our
Speaker 7: c group, and they do factor in some inflationary costs.
Speaker 7: But what was in factored in is I mean, these
Speaker 7: costs were astronomical and it was no choice because we
Speaker 7: are mandated to place the children in the care and
Speaker 7: they might be the only game in town you got
Speaker 7: me or around and it's not just in town, and
Speaker 7: they're seeing that across the whole state. And so that's
Speaker 7: why I think it's important that the governor intervened and
Speaker 7: maybe Attorney General to see is their price gouging going
Speaker 7: on at the expense of helping our children.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, if only we could have got more
Speaker 3: than the twenty five percent with the e Bengal Stadium
Speaker 3: deal from the team, they're a build up more money here, right.
Speaker 7: We got four percent only and if we could have
Speaker 7: got that, maybe the thirty percent could have helped.
Speaker 2: My money.
Speaker 7: Every bit help and every deal we look at. We've
Speaker 7: got to try to leverage every single deal because from
Speaker 7: a messaging standpoint, people are out there saying, well, wait
Speaker 7: a minute, you just did this over here and you
Speaker 7: couldn't give me a homeowner a break, And now over
Speaker 7: here you're gonna raise it over here, and then over
Speaker 7: here you're coming after my check with income tax. Wait
Speaker 7: a minute, now, Yeah.
Speaker 3: Because I had Seth I had Seth Walsho on at
Speaker 3: nine this morning talking about the city income tax increase
Speaker 3: as well. And you live in Hamlin County. If you
Speaker 3: live in the city, also live in Hamlin County. So
Speaker 3: here it's coming at you with both barrels. She is
Speaker 3: uh Alicia Reese on the show on seven hundred WW
Speaker 3: Hamlin County Commissioner. Next step is going to be figuring
Speaker 3: out whether this goes on the spring of the fall ballot.
Speaker 3: We'll pick up that conversation then you'd be well, thanks
Speaker 3: for jumping on this morning.
Speaker 7: Oh yeah, I appreciate it. And again, like I said,
Speaker 7: this is something that we need. So we need the governor,
Speaker 7: we need to turn in general, we've got to deal
Speaker 7: with the price gouging on the backs of our children
Speaker 7: and then creating this cost burden that comes all the
Speaker 7: way down to people who have been allies for children's
Speaker 7: services and now you're forcing them to make a choice
Speaker 7: between food on their table or helping our children. That's insane.
Speaker 7: And so I hope that we can get something worked
Speaker 7: out to help us with us.
Speaker 2: Yeah, fingers crossed. Be well, we'll talk on seon. Appreciate you,
Speaker 2: all right, thank you?
Speaker 3: All right, we'll get a news update and how about
Speaker 3: that and then just ahead it's Julie on the job.
Speaker 3: Julie Buki jumps in to talk about I wonder what
Speaker 3: we're talking. Oh, we're talking about the autoworker flipped off Trump,
Speaker 3: or Trump flipped off rather and because he said some
Speaker 3: unsavory things at the president.
Speaker 2: We'll get that next here seven hundred.
Speaker 5: Giving you a vocational leg up on everyone else.
Speaker 1: Here's our career, sir.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we kick around job stuff on Wednesday mornings. Here
Speaker 3: on seven hundred w Obody Scottsland Show. Julie Bouki jumping
Speaker 3: back in with the story of well, last week anyway,
Speaker 3: kind of a blip here Ford Motor Company now suspending TJ. Sabuelo,
Speaker 3: the guy who yelled at Trump as he was touring
Speaker 3: a Michigan truck. Factor there a pedophile predator, protect pedophile protector,
Speaker 3: I thinks when he yelled at Trump regarding the Epstein
Speaker 3: stuff and Trump Trump and Trump fashion flipped the guy off. Uh,
Speaker 3: President's fine, But the four year old line worker now
Speaker 3: has been suspended. Julie, welcome, How.
Speaker 5: Are you.
Speaker 1: Good morning?
Speaker 9: I promised to never flip you off, at least not
Speaker 9: to your face.
Speaker 2: Why wouldn't you do that?
Speaker 9: Yeah, I'd rather do it behind.
Speaker 5: It used to be.
Speaker 3: It used to be like a big deal, and now
Speaker 3: people do it all that, like there's you know, bumper
Speaker 3: stickers and T shirts. The President's doing it, so it's
Speaker 3: it's not as rebellious as it used to be. I mean,
Speaker 3: I say something you curse somebody had, and they flip
Speaker 3: you off as like why should we be offended? That's
Speaker 3: really not that offensive anymore, is it?
Speaker 6: You know?
Speaker 10: For sure?
Speaker 9: I mean when you look at just how common the
Speaker 9: F bomb is, Yeah, yeah, I mean we definitely when
Speaker 9: it comes to language, when it comes to that sort
Speaker 9: of activity, we've definitely course. Then there's there's no doubt.
Speaker 9: I think that Ford was embarrassed by this guy who
Speaker 9: decided that he would shout out at the president.
Speaker 2: And I'm good with all of it, quite honestly.
Speaker 3: It's like, you know, you're a voter, you're an American,
Speaker 3: you're working at a truck factory. I expect guys to
Speaker 3: use course language in the uaw not when you're.
Speaker 9: Standing there on an official company event. I think that's
Speaker 9: the difference if you're walking down the street. Yes, so yeah,
Speaker 9: I mean, what do we talk about this so many times?
Speaker 9: Your freedom of speech? But it's not freedom from consequences.
Speaker 9: And you're walking on the street and you do it,
Speaker 9: that's one thing. If you're standing as a part of
Speaker 9: an official tour, official event, of course you're going to
Speaker 9: be embarrassing the company, and the company will take action.
Speaker 9: I think it's you know, and we talk about, well,
Speaker 9: should Trump have responded. I will tell you that in
Speaker 9: twenty twenty, Biden called somebody the horses behind on a
Speaker 9: tour when the guy did the same thing.
Speaker 5: And so.
Speaker 9: I think it's true that we we have Courson. But
Speaker 9: I also think that and maybe this is just the
Speaker 9: boomer in me, and we also have to really I mean,
Speaker 9: I have to really think about is this what I
Speaker 9: want to be known for?
Speaker 1: Is this?
Speaker 9: What is this how I want to represent myself? And
Speaker 9: this guy said, I don't regret it. He also got
Speaker 9: a huge gofund me for hundreds of thousands of dollars. Yeah,
Speaker 9: so suspended or fired, he has a really big pot
Speaker 9: waiting for him go fund me. And we see that
Speaker 9: now on both sides. We see that in Minneapolis on
Speaker 9: both sides with you know, I'll go fund me.
Speaker 2: We saw that with a.
Speaker 3: Cop murderer here in Cincinnati, for God's sake, we do and.
Speaker 9: It's just it's I don't know. I mean, you live
Speaker 9: long enough and it's just fascinating to watch how things
Speaker 9: over time clutching. Oh I'm not pear clutching. Look, I
Speaker 9: think about Believe me, I have very strong opinions on
Speaker 9: all of this, but it's not my role. I don't
Speaker 9: share those things. I wouldn't do something in public because
Speaker 9: I think about what's the long term impact on my possibilities,
Speaker 9: my opportunities, my reputation.
Speaker 5: That's just me.
Speaker 9: And this guy said, I don't regret it, Okay. You
Speaker 9: know he doesn't regret it, okay. And the President doesn't
Speaker 9: regret it either, Okay.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, Well, and that's where we are to take.
Speaker 2: If neither one was offended, it's okay.
Speaker 3: Then come on, now, you know this is your white
Speaker 3: collar you know you're working in HVAC Knights Climate Control
Speaker 3: building and you got your little coffee bar and I'm
Speaker 3: sure they have free Danish where you wore all that stuff.
Speaker 2: Your company's okay.
Speaker 3: I'm talking about hard scrabbled men and women that work
Speaker 3: for a living, blue collar workers, union workers that are
Speaker 3: out there hustling, working in factory building American cars. First
Speaker 3: of all, this is this language. Is what he said
Speaker 3: was a pedophile protector what exactly a curse word or
Speaker 3: any thing like that. A lot of people who voted
Speaker 3: for him, and maybe he was a Trump supporter, I
Speaker 3: don't know. That felt like, you know what the Epstein
Speaker 3: thing was. And there's a lot of people who voted
Speaker 3: for him saying, hey, he's going to out all these
Speaker 3: pedophiles and it didn't happen.
Speaker 2: He looks like he's protecting them.
Speaker 3: And so but you know, when you're the president and
Speaker 3: you show up, first of all, when you show up
Speaker 3: to a factory, you know that's the audience that you're playing.
Speaker 2: This is a bunch of bankers. This isn't P and G.
Speaker 3: I'd be with you on that one, but it's you know,
Speaker 3: people who build cars are a living, real real Americans
Speaker 3: in the heartland, and the president did the President did
Speaker 3: something that a lot of us do would just flip
Speaker 3: the guy off, and neither one was was that offended
Speaker 3: by it. But I also look at the context of
Speaker 3: where this doesn't matter that this happened in an assembly
Speaker 3: plant versus a boardroom.
Speaker 9: No, because whether you are a manager of accounting in
Speaker 9: one of the Ford offices, or you're on the line
Speaker 9: as a blue collar worker. Your paycheck comes from the
Speaker 9: same General Fund, and so you are still representing Ford.
Speaker 9: And that's why they felt like they had to take action.
Speaker 9: If they didn't, then I think that they would have
Speaker 9: the repercussion, maybe even from the administration, would have been
Speaker 9: a lot stronger. And so I think it's we're in
Speaker 9: the craziest time and that line between your work, your
Speaker 9: work persona, your work, everything about your work and everything
Speaker 9: about your personal life is because of social media, because
Speaker 9: of technology, there is no line anymore. And so I
Speaker 9: think we have to be extra cautious as individuals and say,
Speaker 9: is it look if I want a screen pedophile protector
Speaker 9: And I'm good with all the ramifications, okay, but I
Speaker 9: think we have to think. I always tell people think
Speaker 9: longer term than that think about and I say this
Speaker 9: when I see people get into political arguments on LinkedIn
Speaker 9: as an example, that's not meant to be a place
Speaker 9: to have political argument. I think you are potentially damaging
Speaker 9: or impacting at least half of your prospects by not
Speaker 9: knowing that this is an inappropriate place to have this conversation.
Speaker 9: Now does everyone believe that. No, But it's just I'm
Speaker 9: here to tell you how, I what I think and
Speaker 9: why I think. You've got to take the long and
Speaker 9: long term view with all of your behavior, both personally
Speaker 9: and professionally, because your conduct on either side can bleed
Speaker 9: over to the other side and can really limit your opportunities.
Speaker 1: Julie.
Speaker 3: The other factor here, the intermittigay factor, is the fact
Speaker 3: that mister Sibula is represented by the UAW. So you
Speaker 3: have it's a union, and so you have collective bargaining
Speaker 3: and they U should have stayed in the UAW did
Speaker 3: said that we believe in freedom of speech, a principle
Speaker 3: wholeheartedly we embrace and we stand with our membership and
Speaker 3: protecting their voice on their job. Sounds like the union
Speaker 3: is behind what this guy did. What does that ad
Speaker 3: a wrinkle the list?
Speaker 8: Well, I don't know.
Speaker 9: It depends on what their contract says, I mean, depends
Speaker 9: on what is protected under their contract. So yeah, and
Speaker 9: when you when you are when you are part of
Speaker 9: a union, you do have a bigger voice and you
Speaker 9: have other people speaking up on your behalf regardless, and
Speaker 9: so there is some benefit there. And so we'll see
Speaker 9: how this plays out. I think what's so interesting about
Speaker 9: where we are right now. I attended an event where
Speaker 9: attorneys we're talking about AI and social media and you
Speaker 9: know what's legal? What's not legal? Is it is it
Speaker 9: legal to fire somebody because of what they put on
Speaker 9: social media? And these really smart attorneys collective answer was TBD.
Speaker 9: We don't know it's playing out in the courts. And
Speaker 9: so we're still in that We're in that place where
Speaker 9: technology has taken over our lives, but we're not to
Speaker 9: the point yet where we have really wrestled down what
Speaker 9: does that actually mean? What's okay and what isn't? And
Speaker 9: so the courts will weigh in on this over the
Speaker 9: next couple of years, and it's just right now, we're
Speaker 9: in the middle of the mess.
Speaker 3: We are in the middle of the mess. Julie's on
Speaker 3: this morning our career. Sure, but Julie Balki the Bauki
Speaker 3: group about the worker at the UAW plant in Michigan,
Speaker 3: Trump is touring there, yelled up pedophile protector and Trump
Speaker 3: flipped them off and thought that was the end of it. Well,
Speaker 3: this guy wound up getting suspended for a p I
Speaker 3: don't know how long you do you know how long
Speaker 3: you was suspended? A couple a couple hours is fine,
Speaker 3: Just take a long launch.
Speaker 2: We're good.
Speaker 3: The other part of this thing too, isn't this more
Speaker 3: political than it is job related stuff? But Republicans are
Speaker 3: you know, I'm sure they're clutching their polls about these
Speaker 3: saying to the off you can't talk to the president
Speaker 3: that was so disrespectful. I mean, meanwhile, we have a
Speaker 3: president that says far, far worse stuff on true social
Speaker 3: seemingly every day. Democrats love this whole thing because it's
Speaker 3: against Trump. But these are the same people who you know,
Speaker 3: the woke culture censorship. But then well that's different. Well, no,
Speaker 3: it's the same thing. So you know, there's a lot
Speaker 3: of hypocrisy to go around in this situation.
Speaker 9: There is there, always is, isn't there?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know just what kind of juice for it.
Speaker 3: Why did Ford have to feel like that? You said
Speaker 3: they felt like they had to do Why, well, then
Speaker 3: just let it go with Typically in PR, it's like,
Speaker 3: you know, if you don't call attention to it, it just
Speaker 3: goes away. Now you're not making it go away, That's
Speaker 3: what makes sense.
Speaker 9: I'm sure that every PR person would say that they
Speaker 9: had to make some sort of statement, and I'm sure
Speaker 9: they're in their communications had put that statement together and
Speaker 9: it was something like this was inconsistent with our values
Speaker 9: as an organization. And that's probably because as a company
Speaker 9: you have to think what are our shareholders going to say?
Speaker 8: How about our board?
Speaker 9: How about our customers? And so I think they had
Speaker 9: to come out and say something. I think in this case,
Speaker 9: because it was reported in the press, I think they
Speaker 9: didn't have any choice but to say something. Sometimes silence
Speaker 9: isn't the best response. Until they gave kind of a
Speaker 9: you know, they hit the middle of the road and
Speaker 9: tried to appease all the different parties. And what if
Speaker 9: they hadn't done anything, would there have been repercussions from
Speaker 9: the administrate, from the polical administration? We don't know, or
Speaker 9: would it have been forgotten about? So I think they
Speaker 9: they probably split the baby and did what they felt
Speaker 9: like they had to do without going overboard.
Speaker 2: We suspend, but no one knows how long the guy
Speaker 2: was suspended. That's key.
Speaker 3: Is it a week or like forty five minutes, like
Speaker 3: ten minutes? Just take a we put you in time
Speaker 3: out like a toddlinet.
Speaker 2: Did you go in the time out.
Speaker 9: You've got a big fat bank account of Yeah, it
Speaker 9: was like that. How these gofundmes work?
Speaker 11: Yeah?
Speaker 2: I love it.
Speaker 9: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Well the thing is the guy's like, well, damn, I
Speaker 3: gotta do this dollar. I may just got to follow
Speaker 3: around the apple. There's more money in that than it
Speaker 3: is building cars these days. Yeah, it's like, well, you know,
Speaker 3: does Ford Motor also invite this? You know, you have
Speaker 3: someone and that's polarizing in this case President I it's
Speaker 3: always President's always good to say Joe Biden's polarizing, Trump's polarizing.
Speaker 3: Next president be polarizing. Doesn't this Are we in an
Speaker 3: area now where this kind of goes to the territory, you.
Speaker 9: Know it kind of does? I mean, look at all
Speaker 9: the booing at public events when Trump's space is on
Speaker 9: the square board regardless, I mean, it is more booing
Speaker 9: than well.
Speaker 3: Then there's people who are cheering. Depending on the event. Mean,
Speaker 3: you go to a NASCAR race, it's different, right, depends.
Speaker 9: Where you go, and you're not that's right, that's right,
Speaker 9: And you're not gonna You're not going to chase down
Speaker 9: every one of those people and try to get them
Speaker 9: fired or start and goes on me for them. So
Speaker 9: that's a different venue than than when you're when you
Speaker 9: have a public when you have a formally scheduled event
Speaker 9: with the press there, yeah, and one of your employees
Speaker 9: embarrasses you. I mean, that's that's literally what it comes
Speaker 9: down to. They felt like they had to do something
Speaker 9: regardless of how they felt, and they all these big
Speaker 9: companies have very carefully controlled and well bought up pr
Speaker 9: and I'm sure this was a hastily called meeting in
Speaker 9: which they looked at all sides and decided what they
Speaker 9: had to do.
Speaker 10: That was.
Speaker 9: That was that hit the spot most without with offending
Speaker 9: the least amount of people.
Speaker 6: Put it that way.
Speaker 2: All right, let's say this.
Speaker 3: Okay, so I don't know, the President's US Bank arena
Speaker 3: or pray something like that, and the cameras are all
Speaker 3: over the place, and you know, it's pretty quilty of
Speaker 3: a sudden nine Jack Crumbley from the newsroom screams out
Speaker 3: something and it's like, oh my god, hey look at
Speaker 3: that guy, or I don't know, it could be Julie Balki, Scotslain, whoever.
Speaker 3: It's like, well, you know, the online world is going
Speaker 3: to docks that person they're going to find out who
Speaker 3: they are and they're going to start sweating their employer
Speaker 3: because I booed someone at at at a rally. Now
Speaker 3: does that do I wind up getting suspended losing my
Speaker 3: job over that? I mean, it's a it's a it's
Speaker 3: a that's a different thing. It's not the workplace, it's
Speaker 3: a public event. Are we look what happened. We talked
Speaker 3: about the you know, the atwork romance with the CEO
Speaker 3: and the subbort the head of HR at the at
Speaker 3: the concert right now wind up losing jobs and call
Speaker 3: over that thing?
Speaker 2: Is that the same thing? I mean?
Speaker 3: Are now are we going to be censored to some
Speaker 3: degree because hey, I may have a protest signed at
Speaker 3: an event, regardless of what it might be, or somebody
Speaker 3: sees that and identifies me, and now I could lose
Speaker 3: my job because I disagree with someone and I'm exercise
Speaker 3: in my First Amendment rights.
Speaker 9: That is what is being litigated, and there are a
Speaker 9: lot of cases wending their way through the court system
Speaker 9: to answer just exactly that question. And so the answer
Speaker 9: is we don't know. All we know is that from
Speaker 9: a company standpoint, I think you have to have a
Speaker 9: pretty clear social media policy. And so if you've got attorneys,
Speaker 9: if you've got labor attorneys, you know, on your you know,
Speaker 9: on your team, or you know, sort of as external advisors,
Speaker 9: you need to get with them and get really clear
Speaker 9: on what is your social media policy? How far can
Speaker 9: you go? Because this is still being determined and it's
Speaker 9: messy and I could argue both sides of it. And
Speaker 9: so I think that's where we are.
Speaker 3: I think we're in a society too many dan busybodies,
Speaker 3: That's what I think. It's like, it's different. It's like, yeah,
Speaker 3: it used to be like we don't okay, okay, yeah
Speaker 3: you don't like this person or cause or okay, great,
Speaker 3: and now we got to know root them out and
Speaker 3: eliminate them. So a lot of people with a lot
Speaker 3: of time in their hands.
Speaker 2: I guess.
Speaker 3: Julie Balki our career Ship on The Scott's Loan Show.
Speaker 3: If you want to go on social media and start
Speaker 3: haranguing people, you may want to consult her first. She's
Speaker 3: at the Balki Group Bauke dot com. She and her
Speaker 3: team ready to work for you, career coach consulting, et cetera.
Speaker 3: She jumps on the show every Wednesday morning with Julie
Speaker 3: on the job.
Speaker 2: All the best.
Speaker 3: We'll talk next week. Appreciate you. Let's do news. How
Speaker 3: about that Trump is at Davos right now. I was
Speaker 3: doing old Q and A. We'll have what that was about. Also,
Speaker 3: weather forecast look a little dicey this week and especially
Speaker 3: maybe a severe winter storm. Then again, maybe nothing, who knows.
Speaker 3: We'll find out. Just ahead with news on seven hundred WW.
Speaker 3: Sinccenat oh Man.
Speaker 2: What ain't happening today?
Speaker 3: Sloan here seven hundred W LW So Greenland is he
Speaker 3: big story today and the President is threatening more terrorists
Speaker 3: to the Europeans unless we get Greenland and American's closest
Speaker 3: European allies. They have declared an end to the US
Speaker 3: led global order, whatever that means. And this is going
Speaker 3: to come to a head today. The President arrived in Davos, Switzerland,
Speaker 3: earlier this morning for the World Economic Forum summit, where
Speaker 3: he's going to speak. Presumably there's going to be some
Speaker 3: sidebars going on where he's talking to other European leaders.
Speaker 3: We'll find out what happens. Carl Delfeld is here. He
Speaker 3: is the Independent Republican Senior FOLLO at the Center for
Speaker 3: Economic Security, advised a Senate Finance committee, he's advised a
Speaker 3: Treasury department, and now us here on seven hundred WW Carl,
Speaker 3: welcome back, are.
Speaker 1: You good morning, Good to be with you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, crazy days here.
Speaker 3: So you know the markets are markets are where they
Speaker 3: are today, but we know we lost like eight hundred
Speaker 3: and seventy points on this news. Mondays the Dollar Index,
Speaker 3: which measures a dollar strength against the other world major currencies,
Speaker 3: that fell by eight tenths of a percent, which is
Speaker 3: doesn't sound like a lot, but in the currency markets,
Speaker 3: that's a huge that's a that's that's an epic shift.
Speaker 3: The dollar index had its worst day. I think that
Speaker 3: since August, the euro is up zero point sixty five
Speaker 3: percent against the dollar. You hear that our global investors
Speaker 3: looking to reduce their exposure to the US because again,
Speaker 3: money is scared of volatility, and we're pretty volatile right now.
Speaker 3: And how long does this go and what's it mean
Speaker 3: for the dollar long term?
Speaker 10: Well, the dollar was off nine percent last year, and
Speaker 10: I think the trend that that that sort of trend
Speaker 10: will continue, in part because of what you just brought
Speaker 10: up to kind of the geopolitical and financial risk. I mean,
Speaker 10: our debt is approaching now forty trillion dollars. It probably
Speaker 10: hit it by the end of the year. So just
Speaker 10: you know, America's brand has always been dynamic stability, you know,
Speaker 10: dynamic economy and culture in a stable political environment, and
Speaker 10: that's under pressure.
Speaker 1: Right now.
Speaker 10: And that's why gold is doing so well. I mean,
Speaker 10: if you wanted me to sum up what's going to
Speaker 10: happen today, it's probably going to be another good day
Speaker 10: for gold.
Speaker 2: And bonds per well.
Speaker 3: I am in that too, because we're wearing so much
Speaker 3: in debt now that looks like that's questionable too. Someone
Speaker 3: compared this to and I was just a child then,
Speaker 3: so maybe you can can shine light on this one.
Speaker 3: Nixon then was it seventy seventy one, seventy two somewhere
Speaker 3: around there, and it took us off the gold standard
Speaker 3: and that was a I guess a monu mil shift
Speaker 3: at that time. And we saw what happened in early seventies.
Speaker 3: You know, we had energy crissease and everything else. But
Speaker 3: take us back to seventy one and houses.
Speaker 1: Compare, Yeah, what's similar.
Speaker 10: I mean, the seventy one was a huge break because
Speaker 10: you had to bret wits agreements right after World War Two,
Speaker 10: when we set up the IMF and the World Bank,
Speaker 10: and basically we were by far we were the kingpin.
Speaker 10: Unimaginable even today. I mean, we had fifty percent of
Speaker 10: global trade, fifty percent of manufacturing, fifth percent of GDP.
Speaker 1: I mean, we were.
Speaker 10: So we basically used the dollar to boord of stabilize
Speaker 10: the financial system and try to get Europe in particular
Speaker 10: back on its feet in Japan and so on. So
Speaker 10: when that happened in seventy one, when the gold was
Speaker 10: just flying out of the door, and so John Connolly's
Speaker 10: Treasury secretary at that time the Texan he famously said
Speaker 10: to his cohorts the other finance ministers, it's our dollar
Speaker 10: and its year problem. So yeah, that was quite a shock,
Speaker 10: in particular to Japan, our allies like Japan. But today
Speaker 10: I think, well, we'll see what happens today. I think
Speaker 10: it's a very tricky situation because it's hard to see
Speaker 10: a face saving compromise that Trump would accept and that
Speaker 10: the Europeans, the NATO, the NATO, the EU, the.
Speaker 1: Twenty seven countries in EU.
Speaker 10: And thirty countries that NATO would accept as well. I
Speaker 10: don't think it's going to be settled during this short trip.
Speaker 10: I think they're going to punt and find some way
Speaker 10: to kind of deflect it down the road a little bit.
Speaker 1: But you know, this is.
Speaker 10: If the NATO basically crumble. In other words, if Trump
Speaker 10: took Greenland, either by force or by just just really
Speaker 10: leaning hard and disrupted NATO, the NATO alliance, I think
Speaker 10: it would be a kin.
Speaker 1: In nineteen seventy one.
Speaker 10: Because we don't realize how important Europe is to US.
Speaker 10: I mean, when we look at our alliance system, everybody says, well,
Speaker 10: US has such a great alliances, but when you really
Speaker 10: look at it carefully, it's Europe, it's Japan, and it's
Speaker 10: South Korea and Asia. I mean, I mean, we have
Speaker 10: a lot of other friends and allies, but those are
Speaker 10: the key ones.
Speaker 3: So yeah, yeah, I look at Carlin, like, you know,
Speaker 3: when Jade Vance said, I think he said that Europe
Speaker 3: is decaded.
Speaker 2: He's he's not wrong about that.
Speaker 3: You know, they they have migration problems, they suppressed free speech.
Speaker 3: I look at that, go it's not like, you know,
Speaker 3: Europe is just continuing to be Europe here and they're
Speaker 3: struggling to they're facing fertility crisis and everything else. And
Speaker 3: you know, we try to put in context why we
Speaker 3: want to acquire Greenland, and I have a lot of
Speaker 3: questions about that, but I don't think, you know, he's
Speaker 3: we're simply because Europe and then they get it, they're
Speaker 3: kind of stuck in the past to some degree.
Speaker 2: We don't want to do that. We continue to evolve.
Speaker 3: But at the same time, the EU is preparing to
Speaker 3: launch with this thing called a trade bazuka.
Speaker 2: What is that? What's it mean? And if implemented, what
Speaker 2: impacts I can have on us?
Speaker 10: Well, if you look at EU, he was, as I said,
Speaker 10: twenty seven countries, four hundred and fifty million people. So
Speaker 10: it's big, and it's a you know, these are developed economy,
Speaker 10: so sophisticated economy, right, they could be stronger, and you know,
Speaker 10: obviously they're behind the United States in some areas, but
Speaker 10: it's still pretty pretty sizable mass. So so basically our exports.
Speaker 10: For example, that's our biggest export market, bigger than Canada
Speaker 10: and Mexico combined. I mean, it's a big number. So
Speaker 10: what they what I what they're planing to do is
Speaker 10: I think put together you know, well over one hundred
Speaker 10: billion dollars of US exports to the EU and impede
Speaker 10: them in some way with the tariff for something. And
Speaker 10: I mean it's not nothing. I mean, I agree with
Speaker 10: you that Europe should be doing a lot better, and
Speaker 10: it's growth is it's sort of treading water, and it
Speaker 10: has problems. Of course, the Europeans will look back at
Speaker 10: US and say, well, we have problems, but you have
Speaker 10: problems too, So you know, everybody is struggling with certain issues.
Speaker 10: But I still think, I still think NATO is important
Speaker 10: and a rupture of it would be something. I tell
Speaker 10: you what was really surprising to.
Speaker 3: Be we need I mean, I get that, you know,
Speaker 3: I'm with you the European thing, but at the same time,
Speaker 3: it's like those are important allies in this world.
Speaker 2: You just can't simply go it alone.
Speaker 10: Right, especially with China. And I just finished my State
Speaker 10: of the US China Rivalry, and it's not pretty. I mean,
Speaker 10: China is gaining ground in the rivalry. Uh, and so
Speaker 10: we have to keep that in the back of our mind.
Speaker 10: Uh that uh, you know, because that's that is the
Speaker 10: that is the issue of the decade is US and
Speaker 10: China and anything we can do to improve our position
Speaker 10: viasa China is something we should do.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 3: He is Carl Delfeld. He is a the Independent Republican.
Speaker 3: He's a fellow at the Center Freak Onomic Security. Also
Speaker 3: advised the Senate Finance Committee and the US Treasury Department
Speaker 3: and talking about Trump arriving in Davos, Switzerland, and we
Speaker 3: have trade wars and trade bazookahs, and of course this
Speaker 3: is all over whether or not we should take over Greenland,
Speaker 3: which to me is like I look at it, gok
Speaker 3: is that it could It could very well be an
Speaker 3: important military asset, an asset for mineral wealth and everything else. Yeah,
Speaker 3: but it belongs to Denmark. And you know, to me,
Speaker 3: it seems like Carl very simply is just keeping the
Speaker 3: Danes as allies have them pay for. I know, there's
Speaker 3: like sixty thousand people and the entire continent. I look
Speaker 3: at it and go, okay, well that's good for the Danes.
Speaker 3: I don't think that China Russia will invade because they
Speaker 3: know the United States is right there when we'll certainly
Speaker 3: go and defend that territory. So why do we need
Speaker 3: it anyway? We could strike mineral rights deals and everything else.
Speaker 3: We have an air force base or a space base
Speaker 3: there anyway, So why do we actually physically need to
Speaker 3: take it.
Speaker 10: Well, you make good points. The other thing to keep
Speaker 10: in mind is the fifty sixty thousand people there. They're
Speaker 10: Danish citizens, they vote in Danish elections, they go to
Speaker 10: school in Denmark, you know, to college and so on.
Speaker 10: So if they get free universal healthcare, they get free
Speaker 10: secondary and so they maybe wanted to become independent, but
Speaker 10: they're pretty happy with the situation with Danes. It's cost
Speaker 10: them about a billion dollars a year to subsidize those
Speaker 10: fifty thousand people.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree with you. I mean, I think what
Speaker 1: I would prefer is that we do it.
Speaker 10: US has a lot of flexibility there, and so if
Speaker 10: we want to build it up there, we can. It's
Speaker 10: one area that the NATO could be very very positive
Speaker 10: because you know, the High North as they call it
Speaker 10: in military terms. Finland, Norway, Sweden, Iceland, Denmark, they all
Speaker 10: play pretty big roles up there. Canada too, So if
Speaker 10: we want to really push back against Russia and China,
Speaker 10: who are much more active in the Arctic region, we
Speaker 10: can do it.
Speaker 1: We can do it much better together.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Carl, I look at the situation Okay, we're fighting
Speaker 3: over Greenland right now. They're gonna hit We're gonna hit
Speaker 3: tariffs on them. They're gonna hit tteriffs back on us.
Speaker 3: New study came out from a long time, highly respected
Speaker 3: economic think tank. It shows ninety six percent of tariff
Speaker 3: costs over the last well year. Now, of this, ninety
Speaker 3: six percent of terra costs fall on American importers, and
Speaker 3: therefore consumers the Ford exporters are only absorb about four
Speaker 3: percent of this. So we have seen a two hundred
Speaker 3: billion dollar surge in customs revenue last year.
Speaker 2: Uh and that is almost entirely.
Speaker 3: Ninety six percent of that two hundred billion is paid
Speaker 3: for by Americans. And we're gonna up that ante a
Speaker 3: little bit, you know. And at the same time, I
Speaker 3: got it. You gotta say that, you know, we we
Speaker 3: the markets are looking at this going. Hey, inflation's kind
Speaker 3: of sticky right now, a lot of this, but we
Speaker 3: expect that to subside in the next year. So there's
Speaker 3: some damage done here. But the reality of what is
Speaker 3: this done to our economies?
Speaker 2: Is it working?
Speaker 1: Well?
Speaker 10: You look at the sharing I saw that study, and
Speaker 10: there's so many different studies. But even even if it's
Speaker 10: not ninety six percent. I mean, let's let's take the
Speaker 10: fifty to fifty. It's still a consumer tax. So it's
Speaker 10: all it's certainly going to be the higher prices. I
Speaker 10: saw that Amazon, the Amazon CEO said they're seeing prices
Speaker 10: creep up. So like in the beginning, the exporters might take,
Speaker 10: you know, a cut, you know, absorb a cut of
Speaker 10: that tariff, but as time goes on, they'll recede, so
Speaker 10: it's hard to argue that it's not a consumer tax
Speaker 10: and consumers. Now, the revenue is the thing that I
Speaker 10: find interesting because we're getting about thirty billion dollars or
Speaker 10: so of revenue, so that's three hundred and sixty billion
Speaker 10: dollars a year. That seems like a big number, but
Speaker 10: think about this in terms of our budget deficit, we're
Speaker 10: about two two trillion dollars. Of that over four hundred
Speaker 10: billion is just for the Department of Better Affairs, not
Speaker 10: for our defense budget, for the Department of Veteran Affairs
Speaker 10: until four hundred billion dollars a year. So sure, it's
Speaker 10: good to have a three hundred and sixty billion dollars,
Speaker 10: but if it's largely coming from Americans and it's not
Speaker 10: even covered covering the Department of Veterans Affairs. To me,
Speaker 10: it's not a big deal.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but we're not going to back down from this
Speaker 3: thing because that looks like weakness, even though it might
Speaker 3: make sense that in the shorter we just he just
Speaker 3: doesn't do that right. And I think you know, you
Speaker 3: look at the Germans for example, too, and they it
Speaker 3: seems like they're avoiding a full blown trade war because
Speaker 3: they're trying to get more of a determined, a deterurn
Speaker 3: in place. So it's not de escalation. People just keep
Speaker 3: up in the abbey. Where do you see things playing
Speaker 3: out over the next year.
Speaker 10: Well, we'll see how this in Europe plays out. But
Speaker 10: I think I think, well, we're just you know, one
Speaker 10: thing we have to mention is that the Supreme Court
Speaker 10: is can be coming out any anything.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean literally.
Speaker 10: Could be today, and that's going to be a big
Speaker 10: one because if they if they rule as expected and
Speaker 10: don't allow the emergency measures that Trump has used to
Speaker 10: impose these tariffs, there's going to be a lot of uncertainty,
Speaker 10: there's going to be refund issues, there's gonna be it's
Speaker 10: a mess.
Speaker 1: So I think you're right that.
Speaker 10: The tariffs are there for the long term to some degree,
Speaker 10: but it's basically caused a lot of volatility and a
Speaker 10: lot of confusion, and I think I think it's hurt
Speaker 10: the US brand, and I I just tend to think
Speaker 10: a lot of these issues could should be settled a
Speaker 10: little bit more quietly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's not Trump's nature. And that's also that
Speaker 2: the bad.
Speaker 10: Yes, yes, I mean, I mean, I think going back
Speaker 10: to Greenland, if you really think about it, I think
Speaker 10: President Trump sees it as a massive real estate deal.
Speaker 1: And uh, you know, you look.
Speaker 10: Through history Jefferson Louisiana purchase, and then uh and then
Speaker 10: Alaska and and so on, and I think he sees
Speaker 10: that this is his legacy.
Speaker 1: But this is a big, big, you know.
Speaker 10: Three times Texas, and this could be his legacy.
Speaker 2: I guess.
Speaker 3: But yeah, and maybe that's why I'm so obsessed with Greenland,
Speaker 3: I guess. And but but pursuing that is, you know,
Speaker 3: we lose Europe, we lose NATO's gone. That certainly makes
Speaker 3: Putin happy, and it seems like it strengthens our enemies,
Speaker 3: whether it's UH, Russia, but particularly China, maybe even Iran too.
Speaker 10: Well. Anything that does you know, like I said, I
Speaker 10: mean the allies, the US and its allies are the
Speaker 10: Allies are probably one of the key strengths of you know,
Speaker 10: American power around the world. And if we need to
Speaker 10: value them, and if we lose them China, Russia, Iran,
Speaker 10: that that that whole coalition just gets stronger relatively speaking.
Speaker 10: So I don't think it's worth it. But you know,
Speaker 10: we're in a situation now where that's where we are.
Speaker 10: I mean, we have to accept reality. But we'll see
Speaker 10: we can manage is this is this is tricky because
Speaker 10: you know they you know, don't forget the other side
Speaker 10: has a pride to Yeah, that's I think.
Speaker 3: That's a good point, is that, you know, when when
Speaker 3: we're getting a standing ovation for putting down the United States,
Speaker 3: and that should get our attention. At the same time, though,
Speaker 3: there's a tea leaves of your I was talking about,
Speaker 3: you know that being empathetic towards Europe, but you know
Speaker 3: it's there. Their social policies are terrible over there, immigration
Speaker 3: is terrible over there. It's not like their economies are
Speaker 3: burgeoning either.
Speaker 8: Uh.
Speaker 3: At the same time, yea, with the subsession with Greenland,
Speaker 3: we saw how this played out to some degree in Canada.
Speaker 3: You know, they had an election there and you know
Speaker 3: there's a lot of people in Europe that are leaning
Speaker 3: to the right. They went there's it feels like almost
Speaker 3: I don't know if it's a majority, but there's a
Speaker 3: tipping point for nationalism versus globalism, and it's going nationalism's way.
Speaker 3: There's a right lean to Europe, at least with a
Speaker 3: lot of people. Anyway, we watch what happened in Canada, uh,
Speaker 3: and I think what happened with Trump and Canada is
Speaker 3: instead of having a right wing ally come in uh,
Speaker 3: they ended up being ruled by another liberal globalist.
Speaker 10: Yeah, or a technocrat kind of Jarney's kind of he's
Speaker 10: kind of uh, you know, like a international organization CFO
Speaker 10: type of god. Very intelligent Carney. But you know, the
Speaker 10: the other thing that the big news uh yesterday was
Speaker 10: his speech in in UH in Switzerland, where he called
Speaker 10: he called the bargain with the United States is no
Speaker 10: longer working and yeah, yeah, and that the US world
Speaker 10: order is uh in a stage of disruption or or
Speaker 10: rupturing and I guess is the word he used. And
Speaker 10: that's remarkable given given the trade flows, and that the
Speaker 10: the US with I don't know what they call it now,
Speaker 10: but NAFTA is a per negotiation. So I was a
Speaker 10: little bit startled by how public he was with that position. Yeah,
Speaker 10: you got a standing, Oh of course, so it yes,
Speaker 10: I mean there's always you know, it's not like I said,
Speaker 10: it's not a real estate deal. I mean you're dealing
Speaker 10: with nations and politics and national pride and so on.
Speaker 10: So yeah, it's just it's a little just a little
Speaker 10: bit more voliative. We're in a very it's kind of
Speaker 10: an age of people. The World War two order seems
Speaker 10: to be coming to an end, and what's going to
Speaker 10: emerge is hard to see.
Speaker 2: Brave New World. He is Carl Delfeld.
Speaker 3: Carl is on the show this morning on seven hundred
Speaker 3: W Lowty talking about Green Leave. We'll see how plays
Speaker 3: out at Davos today. He's the Independent Republican Senior Fellow
Speaker 3: the Center for Economic Security. Thanks again, Carl, the.
Speaker 1: Best, Thank you. I have a good day.
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Speaker 3: Wait, I get to be the head coach in the coordinator,
Speaker 3: and also I get to be the head Chiefs guy.
Speaker 3: And also I got to be the face of the franchise.
Speaker 2: I'm good.
Speaker 5: What a better face?
Speaker 2: I'm good.
Speaker 5: Last night.
Speaker 12: We got to give brobst our guy Peter Soonter with
Speaker 12: twenty seven points for the red Ogs.
Speaker 5: I'm still going to talk about them.
Speaker 12: We've got one more game until I'm there, and so
Speaker 12: I'm there on the thirty first for Alumni weeked Oh great. Yeah,
Speaker 12: we got a double hudder with the ladies hoops at
Speaker 12: one and then the men playing at three point thirty
Speaker 12: at Molett.
Speaker 5: So do't we get to be back there? I'm excited.
Speaker 2: Go back to campus.
Speaker 12: Go back to campus, bagel and deli, maybe grab a drink,
Speaker 12: a brick street, right, feel real old and creepy, go.
Speaker 3: Hang out with other white People's great.
Speaker 5: Lots of that happening in Oxford. Lots of that. We
Speaker 5: do have some hoops to know.
Speaker 11: Let's go, Okay, give me all the vineyard. Yea vines, Miami,
Speaker 11: It's official logo.
Speaker 12: That's when Sarah was in her very preppy era. Hey, Tom,
Speaker 12: we were just talking about the Hoosiers. What are you
Speaker 12: still doing here? By the way, so late in the moment.
Speaker 3: He does well, he's got got meetings. I'm guessing the meetings.
Speaker 5: Kiss yes, kiss, and so yeah, tonight we got some hoops.
Speaker 12: The you see Bearcats a late one nine o'clock tonight
Speaker 12: against number one Aramanda.
Speaker 5: Though I know, can they do it again?
Speaker 2: Well, here's the thing.
Speaker 3: You show up paper bags and boo the team and
Speaker 3: all the stuff. You shouldn't do that, and guess what
Speaker 3: they want.
Speaker 12: Got some fire under their And I didn't really see
Speaker 12: any of the paper bags. We talked about the paper
Speaker 12: bags last week. I didn't really see those in the stands.
Speaker 12: Xavier Tonight's Blue Jays at seven o'clock.
Speaker 5: Very ridiculous.
Speaker 2: We're gonna start that in Pittsburgh next year. If they
Speaker 2: can't win, plastic bags on your heads.
Speaker 5: They got to get a coach first.
Speaker 12: Do you think Tomlin really stepped down or was there
Speaker 12: some conversation.
Speaker 2: Oh, that's a good question.
Speaker 5: It's time to get out of here.
Speaker 2: One every year. I mean, it's pretty good record.
Speaker 5: It's okay, it's okay.
Speaker 12: Uh, sixty four days until opening day and the fans
Speaker 12: were definitely sited over the weekend at Reds Fest, almost
Speaker 12: a record about twenty two thousand people in attendance for
Speaker 12: that one.
Speaker 5: Yeah, not bad.
Speaker 12: It felt crowded too Friday night a little packs was
Speaker 12: it packed? Very yeah? Shoulder to shoulder, the field down.
Speaker 2: Those are good.
Speaker 5: People were excited.
Speaker 2: They were excited.
Speaker 12: Yeah, especially during team intros introducing Tito. Ellie de la
Speaker 12: Cruz got a lot of applause. I don't know how
Speaker 12: Ellie feels about us here in Cincinnati though.
Speaker 2: About that contract?
Speaker 5: What yeah, what does that contract look like? Ain't he
Speaker 5: said no, thank you?
Speaker 12: And Scott looked at that thing like, you know what,
Speaker 12: maybe you could do better here in a couple of years.
Speaker 5: But we do have him through twenty twenty seven. Okay,
Speaker 5: so he stuck.
Speaker 2: He's here, he's red.
Speaker 5: But the reads are.
Speaker 12: Saying, it's apparently the largest contract in franchise history after
Speaker 12: what they offered to Joey Vado about ten years ago.
Speaker 12: Ten years ago is a big difference from these contracts
Speaker 12: that these kids are getting nowadays.
Speaker 2: Kids, kids, these kids.
Speaker 5: I did feel old. I'm like all of these guys
Speaker 5: on our team.
Speaker 3: Talking about front runners. Bream is getting bundled up here
Speaker 3: to go. He's got his Ohio state buck guy's hat on.
Speaker 5: He looks like he's going to perfect North.
Speaker 2: The two front runners in here. He's got state in Miami.
Speaker 5: It's not that Gold out there.
Speaker 2: Still has the national championship.
Speaker 5: We never talked about Ohio stayed in here.
Speaker 12: It's because I'm not You're not getting paid by paid,
Speaker 12: don't even get paid to be in here.
Speaker 2: Probably not do I Hey, wait a minute.
Speaker 5: The heck is going on.
Speaker 12: Somebody who's definitely getting paid Trending on social media Joe
Speaker 12: Burrow because he posted on Twitter for the first time
Speaker 12: in two years, and people are like, Wow, your password
Speaker 12: still works.
Speaker 3: That's amazing, you know what That's I like that about
Speaker 3: Joe where he's like, I'm not leaning in this.
Speaker 12: He doesn't have to get on social, he doesn't have
Speaker 12: to do anything. But he got on Monday, and I
Speaker 12: guess this was in response to, like all the controversial
Speaker 12: calls and the Bills Uncle's game and Bears versus Rams.
Speaker 5: I'm sure you don't want to talk about that Bill's game.
Speaker 5: You're fine with Josh.
Speaker 12: Allen Stoun's new head coach, but what did you think
Speaker 12: about the teary eyed press thereafter?
Speaker 2: It makes me love Josh even more.
Speaker 5: That's how I feel too. My dad was texting me.
Speaker 5: He's like, I can't even bear to watch that.
Speaker 3: I know, grown man like you to, like he took
Speaker 3: it all, you know, and when they win, it's all
Speaker 3: over the team, and you know, when when they lose,
Speaker 3: it's all him.
Speaker 12: I feel like he thought a lot of that was
Speaker 12: on him, like it was that they lost.
Speaker 5: It's kind of all the turnovers.
Speaker 3: Was the pick and everything else. But I mean there
Speaker 3: was there James Cook, how'd that go?
Speaker 2: How many have taken off?
Speaker 5: Todd Fraser was back?
Speaker 2: And do you look like naked?
Speaker 5: Wouldn't you like to know?
Speaker 11: I'm asking about that because I think he and Todd
Speaker 11: Red Striped Poker Todd.
Speaker 12: Overall came in thirteenth. He placed thirteenth, and that's you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, wrong with you.
Speaker 12: Joe Burrow tweeted the amount of people you put clothes
Speaker 12: back on the amount of people it's freezing in here,
Speaker 12: by the way, he said, the amount of people that
Speaker 12: don't understand what it catches in the rule book flabbergasted me.
Speaker 12: And it's not the officials that two plays yesterday were
Speaker 12: not difficult calls and they got them both right. So
Speaker 12: that's what Joe Burrow had tweeted on Monday, and people
Speaker 12: lost their minds over the tweet. I think a lot
Speaker 12: of people didn't even really look at the tweet. They
Speaker 12: were just looking at the fact that he was on social.
Speaker 3: I don't see much of their that the one of
Speaker 3: the Rams game, of the one in the England England game.
Speaker 2: It's like they close to me.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I didn't get a chance to watch be similar, so.
Speaker 2: Who at least I mean they here's the thing.
Speaker 3: Okay, you can go either way, right, I'll agree with
Speaker 3: Joe on that one, but the argument isn't what it
Speaker 3: was kid. It was a fact that why didn't you
Speaker 3: stop the game and look at it like the other
Speaker 3: two games did. They stopped and said, we need to
Speaker 3: make sure we got the right call.
Speaker 5: That was the problem, and that's why Joe was tweeting.
Speaker 3: That what he's not what he said though, he said,
Speaker 3: you need to see what it catches. Well, you got
Speaker 3: to take time to look and to make sure that's
Speaker 3: actually what.
Speaker 5: It is, right right, No, get it.
Speaker 12: I just didn't get a chance to watch him on Saturday,
Speaker 12: which it doesn't look like I've missed a whole lot
Speaker 12: because now it's Patriots Broncos, Rams at Seahawks.
Speaker 3: Yes, now we also have, you know, speaking of Joe
Speaker 3: burrowin coaching in Cincinnati, Zach Taylor last man standing in
Speaker 3: the AFC North the coaches. But what does that say
Speaker 3: about the Bengals now that all the teams in the
Speaker 3: AFC North have have new head coaches coming in in
Speaker 3: the process of different Bill's just fired and to getting
Speaker 3: new head coach Day Bills Ins fired Sean McDermott, who
Speaker 3: advanced in the divisionals and lost again. So he's gone
Speaker 3: to the playoff eight to nine years, two AFC championship games,
Speaker 3: never got the Super Bowl.
Speaker 2: He's out in the Buffalo. What does that say about
Speaker 2: the Bengals.
Speaker 12: Different expectations. That's all there is to it. We are
Speaker 12: okay with just being there, just showing up and having
Speaker 12: good attendance. I mean, in that press conference, Duke Togin
Speaker 12: went on about how much he loves Zach Taylor, big
Speaker 12: Zach Taylor fan, and there's a guy. We're not going
Speaker 12: to make any staff changes whatsoever. Everyone's returning. We're good
Speaker 12: on our end. I guess six and eleven is good.
Speaker 2: When the Bengals win five games next year that one, then.
Speaker 5: They're gonna extend zapp tailor.
Speaker 12: Speaking of Sean McDermott, the Bills did post on social
Speaker 12: media last night a bunch of picks of Sean and
Speaker 12: they said, hey, thanks for everything.
Speaker 2: Awesome.
Speaker 3: He wrapped his arms around the city like Exac did hear.
Speaker 3: I mean, people, I think as Zach, you know, holl
Speaker 3: go out. He's doing stuff that no other coach did,
Speaker 3: you know, handing game balls out and stuff like that.
Speaker 12: Then good will goes along with And that was cool
Speaker 12: a few years ago, but we got to get back
Speaker 12: to that. It's not cool when you're losing. None of
Speaker 12: that stuff is fun. Nothing is funny when you're six
Speaker 12: In all Yeah.
Speaker 2: With this offense, there's no excuse.
Speaker 5: No, well there isn't. You're paying these guys a ton
Speaker 5: of money.
Speaker 3: Yeah, next year Joe will be in everyone's gonna be
Speaker 3: a year older, and we know what that means in
Speaker 3: the NFL, he will almost be thirty.
Speaker 5: Yes, we have him till twenty twenty nine.
Speaker 2: What is that me?
Speaker 5: We've got him till twenty track.
Speaker 11: But again, a lot of things gonna happen between How
Speaker 11: so much could happen?
Speaker 5: Oh my gosh, there were rumors that Joe was going
Speaker 5: to bail on us.
Speaker 11: I mean, there's injuries, there's the rest of the team.
Speaker 11: There's there. Yeah, let's hope the injuries are.
Speaker 2: Done every year. That's a problem.
Speaker 5: Yep, yep.
Speaker 12: I'm also trending on social media. I guess the Chargers are.
Speaker 5: Planning to hire Mike.
Speaker 2: McCarthy. Yep, no, no, oh, Mike McDaniel, McDaniel. I saw
Speaker 2: that they're going to hire him. Yeah, next head coach.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that was just coming in.
Speaker 2: So it's coming hot, hot, in.
Speaker 5: Heavy, coming in hot, coming in hot.
Speaker 2: Also they already have a coach.
Speaker 12: Yes, yes, I'm like, we got new news, we got
Speaker 12: new news, and then the Teddy Bear Toss is this
Speaker 12: weekend for the Cincinnati Cyclones, their biggest game of the
Speaker 12: entire season on Saturday, especial Mattine for that.
Speaker 5: You know what, they're okay, they took two or three
Speaker 5: over the weekend.
Speaker 2: Were they in the standings.
Speaker 5: I'm not sure about that. I need to look at
Speaker 5: It means.
Speaker 2: Not very well because you would be wearing your Cyclones.
Speaker 5: Had right first or first or you're out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but Teddy Bear tosses.
Speaker 5: One of their goalies just got called up yesterday. So yeah,
Speaker 5: after they.
Speaker 3: Lost on on Monday, the Teddy Bear toss is a
Speaker 3: big thing here.
Speaker 5: It's a huge thing.
Speaker 12: So yeah, you bring a new or gently used Teddy bear,
Speaker 12: toss it onto the isis and signed Police and Fire Department.
Speaker 5: We'll collect them and they go to kids and needs.
Speaker 5: So it's a great thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 12: They've got their big frozen five and ten k race
Speaker 12: on Saturday boarding and it will definitely be frozen outside.
Speaker 5: I think it's going to be a high of like
Speaker 5: ten some snow on the ground.
Speaker 12: Feather oh yeah yeah, so be ready to be frozen.
Speaker 3: You think someday somebody will come in and like just
Speaker 3: throw a live bear.
Speaker 12: Good luck getting through security. I can barely get through
Speaker 12: with my little zip block bag at Heritage Bank Center.
Speaker 5: If you can get through with a live bell.
Speaker 2: A bear, cub Hey, that one's moving.
Speaker 5: Damn some lucky good luck getting that onto.
Speaker 3: The lucky kid gets their live. Here you go, there's
Speaker 3: a live there's a real bear.
Speaker 5: I know.
Speaker 12: You just ever know what toss all kind of crazy things.
Speaker 12: It doesn't have to necessarily be a teddy bear, can
Speaker 12: be any sort of But.
Speaker 3: So you work down there for long. What's the crazy
Speaker 3: thing you saw somebody throw on the eye.
Speaker 12: The giant corn dog from a couple of years ago,
Speaker 12: the corner dog was stuffed corn dog, and then that
Speaker 12: thing went viral and now they sell corn dogs at
Speaker 12: Heritage Bank.
Speaker 5: It was the greatest thing I've everd A couple of
Speaker 5: years ago.
Speaker 12: Yeah, it was about three years ago, and me and
Speaker 12: my Tiff and I were at that game.
Speaker 2: Was like mustard stained on the on the ice. You
Speaker 2: couldn't get it off.
Speaker 12: And everyone loved it so much that they decided to
Speaker 12: sell actual corn dogs that you can eat and little
Speaker 12: plushy corn dogs.
Speaker 5: I have one of those little plushes.
Speaker 2: Plush corn Your dog hasn't chewed it.
Speaker 5: Up yet she hasn't know. She's too old for that.
Speaker 1: Gotcha?
Speaker 5: Okay, the corn dogs though.
Speaker 3: Sarah Leason the Snort report this morning here on seven hundred,
Speaker 3: how many snorts steak?
Speaker 2: Because you're tired, I'm most sleeping.
Speaker 5: I was up way too late last night watching that game.
Speaker 2: And now you got to go to corporate meetings.
Speaker 11: Corporates got a four hour meeting ahead of what they
Speaker 11: possibly talk about for four hours.
Speaker 5: It's really credible. Will you do it every day?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 2: What can they talk about the the corporate overlords to
Speaker 2: you for four hours?
Speaker 5: This might be our last Snow report ever. Maybe they're
Speaker 5: firing all of us.
Speaker 3: It doesn't take four I'm going to fire. It doesn't
Speaker 3: take four hours. Again, if you're firing, takes four hours
Speaker 3: to get to the point.
Speaker 5: I think the last time I got fired, it was
Speaker 5: about four minutes. That's it.
Speaker 2: That's that. That's all takes.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 5: They're like, you got two weeks left here, so.
Speaker 2: Maybe two weeks they did. Damn.
Speaker 12: They said, we're cutting your job and you've got a
Speaker 12: couple of weeks left here with us, and then that's it.
Speaker 12: So they gave me a date and they were like,
Speaker 12: if you want to take the rest of the day,
Speaker 12: you can.
Speaker 2: Thanks, I'll take the rest of the day. It's five o'clock, all.
Speaker 5: Right, anyway. That's for another.
Speaker 2: That's everything.
Speaker 5: That's everything.
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