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Speaker 1: Human from the fish filled Midwest lakes to the deep

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Speaker 1: woods of the North upland prairies filled with pheasants, to

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Speaker 1: the whistling wings of duck ponds. This is Saturday Morning,

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Speaker 1: Fan Outdoors, your show for hunting and fishing tips, topics

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Speaker 1: and conversations. You can also send us a question or

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Speaker 1: opinion by emailing us booth at kfean dot com. Here's

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Speaker 1: your host, the Fans, Captain Billy Hildegram.

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Speaker 2: Good morning, Fan Outdoors, faithful, good morning to you, and

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Speaker 2: what a delightful day and morning it is and will be.

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Speaker 3: Yep.

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Speaker 4: However, I don't know about you.

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Speaker 2: But I've got a bad case of spring fever and

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Speaker 2: it's way too soon.

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Speaker 4: I could totally tell you. You get a little hop in

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Speaker 4: your step totally too soon. And I'm really fighting it.

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Speaker 4: I really am. You know, I'm such a We're not

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Speaker 4: fighting it at all. You've been wishing this since November twelve,

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Speaker 4: I know, but I know better, I really do. We're

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Speaker 4: turning the corner. What do you think is gonna happen?

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Speaker 5: We are?

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Speaker 4: Well, okay, here's me, Okay, I'm yes. In the last

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Speaker 4: couple of days, I dug out an old lawn chair

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Speaker 4: that happened to be sitting. I wiped it all off.

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Speaker 2: And when the sun gets high, it's pretty sunny in

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Speaker 2: my backyard. So here I am sitting in the backyard

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Speaker 2: against a pine tree in a lawn chair, drinking a

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Speaker 2: beer and.

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Speaker 4: Just living life. You get the boats all covered up

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Speaker 4: and wrapped up, and just once in a while get

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Speaker 4: up and just walk around the boat. It's like, you,

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Speaker 4: do you remember the movie Weekend at Bernie's. No, no,

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Speaker 4: well it's Weekend at Billy's in February, you know.

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Speaker 2: And then my chair moves as the sun. They're reminded.

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Speaker 2: I'm sitting there and I'm laughing.

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Speaker 4: There's nobody else around, just me sitting on a lawn chair,

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Speaker 4: drinking the beer, watching the snow melt.

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Speaker 2: YEP, I could actually did that yesterday because I could

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Speaker 2: see the crystals disappear.

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Speaker 4: They just kind of glitter when they melt. What are

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Speaker 4: you thinking about when you're watching all this, I'm saying

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Speaker 4: that I have a dog following the sun. This bree

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Speaker 4: does the same thing. I'll bet your dogs do. Yeah

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Speaker 4: yeah yeah, rolling over catching the sun yeah yeah no.

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Speaker 4: And it feels so good. You know, a lot of

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Speaker 4: people go to Florida or Arizona in the middle of

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Speaker 4: winter they get a little spring break. You have never

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Speaker 4: done that. I never have and you have zero You

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Speaker 4: you resist that, but I don't want to do that.

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Speaker 4: Just get the launcher out.

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Speaker 2: I heard a song that's probably appropriate. I'm more Rednecker

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Speaker 4: But it's fun.

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Speaker 2: Eric and his family are up at Leech Lake with

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Speaker 2: the ice ice castle right now, and as you were

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Speaker 2: sitting down, I said to that. I said that to you,

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Speaker 2: And what a beautiful week. I have no idea if

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Speaker 2: the fish are going to bite, and really I don't

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Speaker 4: It's just so nice to go there, going with another

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Speaker 4: family and they're bringing their their house and yeah, fifty

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Speaker 4: degrees in sunshine. Get the little smoky Joe going on

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Speaker 4: the on the ice, have some treats. Yeah, but it

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Speaker 2: They had an ice tournament on one of the local ponds

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Speaker 2: they stock at each year, you know, and it kind

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Speaker 2: of I'm driving by and looking at it. You can

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Speaker 2: see all the holes drilled because there's a little piles of.

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Speaker 2: People are such slobs too, though, garbage, the junk behind

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Speaker 2: them if it's still there, I think I'm just going

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Speaker 2: to take a bag like I do most every spring

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Speaker 4: Pick up crap. Was that a fundraiser I have? I

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Speaker 4: I don't know. I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I was after the fact it was. It was well

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it's gonna melt and float. Yeah, and eventually

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Speaker 4: but that kind of kill a good feeling. And yeah,

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Speaker 4: a happy Valentine's Day. By the way. Oh, I love

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Speaker 4: you too, well, thank you. Not exactly what I was

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Speaker 4: You are in a weird mood today. Did you get

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Speaker 4: a lot of sleep last Nay, I said, pretty good.

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Speaker 4: Last couple of days, I can tell you, bright eyed,

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Speaker 4: we getting at Billy's. Let's see what beer were you, Joe,

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Speaker 4: old obous Bush White? Of course, Camo cans.

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Speaker 2: It doesn't know there's and they're not Camo anymore. Oh

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Speaker 2: what what is the new branding for Bush? Just to

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Speaker 2: and they know what it is. But anyway, it is

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Speaker 4: You, well, this is the first episode of Spring, isn't it.

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Speaker 4: It could be yeh, here we go February fourteenth. The

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Speaker 4: cap has made the transition, but you're nervous about making

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Speaker 2: Though, Well, it's way too early to transit the transition. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: because according to one of the fork weather forecasters on

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Speaker 2: the television, guys, we're going to get about three days

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Speaker 2: of snow and some cold coming up in the not

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Speaker 2: that it's days closer to being able to swim at

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Speaker 2: So that kind of takes care of a little bit.

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Speaker 2: Doesn't help me any It doesn't help me any. I'm

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Speaker 2: looking at the boat and I'm downstairs it'll be it

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Speaker 4: Through tackle already.

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Speaker 2: And because I am I am not the neatest guy

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Speaker 2: I've got to put stuff.

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Speaker 4: Come on, Now, that's malarkey. Once once you're back in,

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Speaker 4: you organize everything every day. I do, and I also vacuate. Yeah, yeah, no,

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Speaker 4: I'm so. It's not like, well, how much organizing, to

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Speaker 4: be honest, I have to do it, not at all.

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Speaker 4: I go through stuff. There's things that I have them alphabetized.

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Speaker 2: Actually, I've got a compartment with all the plastics and

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Speaker 2: lot of it's in that. But you've seen that. I

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Speaker 2: have seen that. And but Eric, when we'd fish tournaments together,

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Speaker 2: with it. Well, that rascal he'd pick it up and

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Speaker 6: You know.

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Speaker 4: For years and years and years, Bud Grant would have

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Speaker 4: But I think you should pick up the mantle and

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Speaker 4: have have a Billy's. Yeah, but you got that shed

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Speaker 4: full of fish and stuff that felts, like my neighbor,

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Speaker 4: you should have Billy's garage sale. You can. You can

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Speaker 4: donate the funds from your garage sale the pheasants forever

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Speaker 4: and use it as a tax right off, and you'll

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Speaker 4: kids in your neighborhood will have new fishing gear. I do.

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Speaker 4: I give a lot of stuff. I get the old

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Speaker 4: stuff or a lot of my kids.

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Speaker 2: When I was fishing with all calling all kinds of

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Speaker 4: I ended up with a bunch of rods and reels

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Speaker 2: And my neighbor comes over. I gave him, I don't know,

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Speaker 4: A dozen? Yeah. How many rods are in that shed?

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Speaker 6: No?

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Speaker 4: No, no, they were in my basement. Wow. But I

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Speaker 4: just how many rods do you own?

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Speaker 4: Period? One hundred? I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I had I had a bunch more, but all the kids,

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Speaker 2: A lot of the kids rods came from my house.

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Speaker 2: They still do a lot of the well the rods

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Speaker 2: Chad fishes with. He just goes in the road locker

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Speaker 4: And they look they look familiar, which that's perfectly okay.

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Speaker 4: A lot of the bait gasters they look just the

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Speaker 4: same with mine. Uh huh. I think I have three

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Speaker 2: Well that's kind of come to a screeching halt now,

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Speaker 2: but it's it was really fun, well lasted. I was

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Speaker 2: looking back at some old pictures and things like that,

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Speaker 4: The new boats and stuff. The kids had a really

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Speaker 2: That and it was a real opportunity for them to

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Speaker 4: Use that when you were fishing and all the gear

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Speaker 2: But it's all fun and it's it's gotten. It's it's

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Speaker 2: did it. Yeah, it did when it was more competitive

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Speaker 2: and stressful. For well, when I was running some tournaments.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, the Silverado days. Yeah yeah, I remember. I

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Speaker 2: remember Silverado Billy. Yeah, yeah, he'd called me at work

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Speaker 2: and that was stressful.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: But I actually quit quit fishing for about three years.

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Speaker 2: And when it was when I was done, I had

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Speaker 2: and I started fishing these walleyce and it was a

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Speaker 4: So that's where it goes.

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Speaker 2: But for anybody out there listening, I the weekend, if

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Speaker 2: fis should be a great weekend to get out.

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Speaker 4: I don't know if they're biting much.

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Speaker 2: Eric and family are up on Leech and supposedly the

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Speaker 2: perch are biting up there, but when I go is

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Speaker 2: usually gosh, you should have been here yesterday they were

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but anyway, we've got a pretty fun show.

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Speaker 2: I think this morning Tommy is going to come right

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Speaker 2: around the corner. Tommy George talk fishing with him. Is

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Speaker 4: We'll find out? Okay, it is just about it must be.

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Speaker 4: What's the limit on Murphy, Well, it depends. It is

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Speaker 4: Valentine's Day. That's right, boy dressing red. If you're going

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Speaker 2: the show up with Stu Austin, who is a gunsmith

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Speaker 4: What do you need to do with them? And do

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Speaker 4: Gotten my father's guns. I've gifted some guns to my boys,

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Speaker 4: and I've also given brand new Browning shotguns to my

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Speaker 4: You have to look in the car. In the car.

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Speaker 4: You have to look in the car. It's for me?

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Speaker 2: Okay, all right, that's just And I forgot. I did

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Speaker 4: Twenty two pipes? Wow? Two quarts? And are you happy

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Speaker 4: How many did you bring me? One pipes? I did

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Speaker 4: They were awful, Bob, it was awful. I was out

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Speaker 4: With Tommy right after this, twenty minutes after the hour

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Speaker 2: On a fan outdoors Saturday, Bob Saint Pierre Business Forever

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Speaker 2: care with mister Brett Blakemore, our executive producer.

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Speaker 4: And next up coming on with us a man dressed

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Speaker 4: Mister Tommy George. Good morning to Tommy, Good.

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Speaker 3: Morning Billy Brett, and uh that'd bless you guys. It's

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Speaker 3: it's an awful nice day. You're right, and it's about

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Speaker 4: Is it Mermaid season? Tommy?

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Speaker 3: You know, Billy what you were saying before. I bet

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Speaker 4: Oh well, you could just pull up a chair and

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Speaker 3: Happy to be Valentine's Day to you guys too, and uh,

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Speaker 2: So have you been fishing. I know you have because

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I was, and uh it was you know,

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Speaker 3: So it's just it's a matter a little bit of sunshine.

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Speaker 3: Fish are biting and go to whatever any lights you want.

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Speaker 4: Tell me, was that a bush light? Burb you? It's

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Speaker 4: a little early captain, a little coffee buddy. See now,

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Speaker 4: well you're the one that burned, the one that made

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Speaker 3: Yes, well, yesterday I just had just a tiny little

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Speaker 3: and I'm actually fishing in twenty twenty three to twenty

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Speaker 3: But over in Saint Kraak County, the whole the whole

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Speaker 4: So counties have different limits in Wisconsin, huh.

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Speaker 3: They do, and even Minnesota, since Minnesota has been changing

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Speaker 4: Well.

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Speaker 4: You got to be careful of and most of it

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Speaker 2: There are signs on the public access points with the

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Speaker 3: Yes, you're right, Billy. It's usually at the back the

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Speaker 3: You know, Bob. Earlier they'll they'll they'll like the weed lines.

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Speaker 3: He was afraid that they wouldn't let them go fishing anymore.

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Speaker 3: But anyway, so that's over done with. But you got

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Speaker 3: So that's that's another fun time to fish. In fact,

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Speaker 3: They're always after their food. And you drop a jake

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Speaker 3: different traits of the fish, it's not very hard to

437
00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:09,640
Speaker 3: go out there and have a ball.

438
00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:15,480
Speaker 2: When Willie told you you better not tell my wife.

439
00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:18,280
Speaker 2: I tried that one time when I was fishing, or

440
00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:22,080
Speaker 2: I was hunting actually with Chad, my son. I said, Chad,

441
00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:24,920
Speaker 2: we better not tell your mom about this. See okay dad,

442
00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:28,560
Speaker 2: Yeah that's a good idea. Coulda walk into the house mom,

443
00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:33,399
Speaker 2: Guess what Chad did? I was listening, I said, Chad,

444
00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:34,360
Speaker 2: what way saw?

445
00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:37,399
Speaker 4: What did you guys do? I can't remember it. You

446
00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:40,879
Speaker 4: just know you got in trouble. So I didn't tell

447
00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:41,760
Speaker 4: him anything. Again.

448
00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:50,000
Speaker 3: I got kids, I know.

449
00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:53,640
Speaker 2: But with the with the warm weather that we've got

450
00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:57,200
Speaker 2: a couple of things. One, be sure you wear ice cleats,

451
00:26:57,680 --> 00:27:00,840
Speaker 2: as I learned the hard way. And two is it

452
00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:04,400
Speaker 2: warm enough Tommy that some of the accesses are going

453
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:06,640
Speaker 2: to be melting a little bit around the shop.

454
00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:08,320
Speaker 4: It's still gonna be good. I'm sure.

455
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:13,920
Speaker 3: That's the first thing I'm worried about, Billy, is the

456
00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:18,440
Speaker 3: the salt from the vehicles and stuff. That's the first

457
00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:19,640
Speaker 3: thing that goes out.

458
00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:20,120
Speaker 4: Yea.

459
00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:23,360
Speaker 3: Once that goes out, even though lake is you got

460
00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:26,560
Speaker 3: twenty inches of ice the landing. Once they go bad,

461
00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:29,960
Speaker 3: you're done. You either have to walk out or you

462
00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:32,119
Speaker 3: take a four wheeler. And that's why I have my

463
00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:36,440
Speaker 3: four wheeler already to go on the trailer. And just

464
00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:40,800
Speaker 3: yesterday i unplugged my boat battery, so I've got that

465
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:43,359
Speaker 3: all ready to go to Billy. Like you, I am

466
00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:48,119
Speaker 3: so anxious to get out in the boat. It's just

467
00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:51,199
Speaker 3: one of those things when you when you're obsessed with fishing,

468
00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:55,040
Speaker 3: it's you get it. You get ready to go all

469
00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:55,840
Speaker 3: times of the year.

470
00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:56,720
Speaker 4: Yeah.

471
00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:01,480
Speaker 2: Eric came over and picked up is ice house day

472
00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:05,399
Speaker 2: before yesterday because it sits in my yard and at

473
00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:09,960
Speaker 2: my place, and he said, you know, Dad, I said,

474
00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:13,919
Speaker 2: he was taking a lot of my gear, my electronics,

475
00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:17,439
Speaker 2: and my my augur because I've got an extension on it, and.

476
00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:24,320
Speaker 4: My cadrill actually, and he put it in the car.

477
00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:26,240
Speaker 4: He says, you know, I haven't even changed a line

478
00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:28,080
Speaker 4: on my reels. I'm just going to go like this.

479
00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:30,200
Speaker 4: So I went over yesterday.

480
00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:34,840
Speaker 2: We took Jack out for breakfast, and I said, well,

481
00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:37,600
Speaker 2: are you pretty much ready to go? He says, yeah,

482
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:40,680
Speaker 2: I was up until after midnight changing the line on

483
00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:41,600
Speaker 2: my reels.

484
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:48,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, of course. Yeah, the first time you're going.

485
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:53,000
Speaker 4: But I thought, yeah, you don't fall, you this apple,

486
00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:54,360
Speaker 4: they'll fall far from the tree.

487
00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:04,600
Speaker 3: But that's you know, it makes no difference what you do.

488
00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:08,280
Speaker 3: Just make sure like you like he did, changing lines,

489
00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:10,800
Speaker 3: because if he goes out there with some bad line,

490
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:13,920
Speaker 3: it's going to be one miserable trip. Yeah, and the

491
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:17,480
Speaker 3: kids won't like him. And if they start snapping jigs off,

492
00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:22,040
Speaker 3: it's it's not worth it. They're going to start hollering

493
00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:26,240
Speaker 3: at their dad. Yeah, it could be disastrous.

494
00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:28,400
Speaker 4: No, you just tie something on that doesn't work and

495
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:30,640
Speaker 4: then they don't. You don't have to worry about that anymore.

496
00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:33,280
Speaker 3: There you go.

497
00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:36,520
Speaker 4: Tommy will let you go, buddy. But I thank you

498
00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:39,120
Speaker 4: for your time and good luck when you get back

499
00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:41,400
Speaker 4: out there, okay, and send us some pictures again.

500
00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:45,480
Speaker 3: Thanks Billy, and you guys have a wonderful weekend and

501
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:47,480
Speaker 3: good luck to you.

502
00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:51,440
Speaker 2: That's Tommy George, pro angler. Tommy George and joined us

503
00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:56,080
Speaker 2: not on a scheduled basis, but quite often, almost every

504
00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:59,200
Speaker 2: other week, and we do appreciate his input too.

505
00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:03,520
Speaker 4: Great. Great fun guy to fish with. Fun guy you

506
00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:07,360
Speaker 4: fished with them? Yeah, oh yeah, it is fun.

507
00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:10,280
Speaker 2: Anyway, we will take a pause and on our return

508
00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:14,800
Speaker 2: mister Ron Leathers will join us from Pheess forever ever.

509
00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:20,040
Speaker 2: Wonder about the winter severity index on birds?

510
00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:24,680
Speaker 4: Which is worse? Do you think a lot of snow

511
00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:27,440
Speaker 4: in the wintertime? A lot of snow right now if

512
00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:31,280
Speaker 4: we get it or in the spring. We can ask

513
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:45,480
Speaker 4: around that. Hold on, we'll be right back, Sam, come back.

514
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:46,520
Speaker 3: Yep.

515
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:51,960
Speaker 4: Talking outdoors with you, and I hope wherever you're going,

516
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:57,840
Speaker 4: whatever your plans are, they include being outside today because

517
00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:01,720
Speaker 4: it is drop is going to be drop dead, Gorge.

518
00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:03,920
Speaker 4: It's a little dark right now. Yeah, and it's a

519
00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:06,880
Speaker 4: little nikky. This morning it was chili. I had frost

520
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:10,560
Speaker 4: in the window. I didn't miners in the garage. Of course,

521
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:13,480
Speaker 4: you don't have a spot for you in the garage.

522
00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:16,440
Speaker 4: I don't. I don't. I'm squeezed out of the garage. Yeah.

523
00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:18,720
Speaker 4: That's like my neighbor across the street.

524
00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:19,120
Speaker 6: He just.

525
00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:22,520
Speaker 2: He had the movies, got so much crap in his

526
00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:24,800
Speaker 2: garage he had to move thing, push at all to

527
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:26,680
Speaker 2: the side, so his wife had a place.

528
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:26,920
Speaker 6: In the dark.

529
00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:31,360
Speaker 4: Yeah. I just drew the short straw. No, that's on purpose,

530
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:34,880
Speaker 4: so too. Yeah. My boat is outside, yours is in

531
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:35,320
Speaker 4: the ground.

532
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:35,600
Speaker 5: It is.

533
00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:40,200
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, introduce our next guest spot. Yeah, this is fun.

534
00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:45,360
Speaker 4: Ron Leathers, guy who started on the exact same day

535
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:49,480
Speaker 4: at Pheasants Ferriver as I did January sixth, two thousand

536
00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:52,600
Speaker 4: and three. So we've been there half of our lives.

537
00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:58,120
Speaker 4: Ron is a biologist and our chief conservation officer. I

538
00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:02,280
Speaker 4: think Travis Frank coined term. He's our head burd nerd.

539
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:05,920
Speaker 4: Good morning, Ron, how are you?

540
00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:09,120
Speaker 6: Good morning fellas. I was wondering how long did it

541
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:10,240
Speaker 6: take before that, Moniker?

542
00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:15,640
Speaker 4: I didn't take long, Ron, I'm sorry, no, not really.

543
00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:21,520
Speaker 4: Tell us, Like, let's talk about your your biology background

544
00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:24,040
Speaker 4: a little bit. Where'd you go to school and what'd

545
00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:24,520
Speaker 4: you study.

546
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:29,800
Speaker 6: Yeah, so I was not originally a pheasant guy. I

547
00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:33,239
Speaker 6: grew up in Wyoming. I went to school at at

548
00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:36,600
Speaker 6: University of Wyoming and initially planned on being an elk

549
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:40,120
Speaker 6: and deer kind of guy. But life found my way

550
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:43,720
Speaker 6: to Nebraska and was working at the State of Nebraska

551
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:45,400
Speaker 6: for a little bit and got a chance to go

552
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:49,200
Speaker 6: to grad school in South Dakota and did my masters

553
00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:53,840
Speaker 6: on birds in South Dakota and ended up that's where

554
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:56,160
Speaker 6: I joined the organization in two thousand and three, on

555
00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:57,840
Speaker 6: the same day as Bob same Pierre.

556
00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:01,200
Speaker 4: And you spent a little time in d C too,

557
00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:03,640
Speaker 4: You get some government affairs background as well.

558
00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:07,240
Speaker 6: Yeah, I did right out of college. I'm more excited

559
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:09,560
Speaker 6: on teams from Laramie, Wyoming to Washington, d C.

560
00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:13,920
Speaker 4: Which was terrifying. I do not recommend that.

561
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:17,480
Speaker 6: But spent about a year out in DC working for

562
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:22,160
Speaker 6: the Association Efficient Wildlife Agencies, managed a couple a couple

563
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:24,960
Speaker 6: grants for them, did some some policy work on the hill.

564
00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:28,560
Speaker 6: You know when you buy a license and DNR the

565
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:31,120
Speaker 6: online system through DNR or you used to go in

566
00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:34,160
Speaker 6: and they had the point of sales systems on the

567
00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:37,840
Speaker 6: on account, actually developed the book for that. I literally

568
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:39,800
Speaker 6: wrote the book for the online data systems.

569
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:42,440
Speaker 4: Oh really, Oh, I didn't know that that was.

570
00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:45,640
Speaker 6: That was my time in DC, worked on that, worked

571
00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:47,880
Speaker 6: on some policy work for the association, had a great

572
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:49,480
Speaker 6: time out there, and then got the heck out of

573
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:50,080
Speaker 6: watching d.

574
00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:55,280
Speaker 4: I don't know if you've been listening this morning, but

575
00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:59,960
Speaker 4: right out of the gates, the captain has declared today

576
00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:06,800
Speaker 4: the first day of spring. Well, let's be honest. You've

577
00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:11,400
Speaker 4: been watt in spring since spring, since November fourteen. Did

578
00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:17,040
Speaker 4: I say it's too early? But there are You know,

579
00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:19,840
Speaker 4: it's fifty it's gonna be fifty degrees. Say there's signs

580
00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:26,319
Speaker 4: of spring. Maybe give us an overview of how hard

581
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:31,040
Speaker 4: it has been or not been for the birds across

582
00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:32,000
Speaker 4: the winter this year.

583
00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:38,960
Speaker 6: You know, it's been well. I think my Saving Adams

584
00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:41,880
Speaker 6: is my Minnesota state coordinator, and he used the term bipolar,

585
00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:45,120
Speaker 6: and I think that's a pretty good description. We got

586
00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:47,759
Speaker 6: some of that early weather that was really cold. Pretty

587
00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:50,040
Speaker 6: much every time I tried this doesn't count. It got

588
00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:53,960
Speaker 6: really really cold wherever I was, and a little bit

589
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:56,279
Speaker 6: of ice and a little bit of a little bit

590
00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:59,759
Speaker 6: of snow. But really it's been pretty mild across the

591
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:03,520
Speaker 6: and I think the birds are weathering it pretty well.

592
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:06,560
Speaker 6: It is a little early a billy for spring.

593
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:12,880
Speaker 4: Unfortunately. Yes, I understand, but we need a little bit

594
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:13,520
Speaker 4: more snow.

595
00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:16,520
Speaker 6: That's that's the kind of factor that if we don't

596
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:18,839
Speaker 6: we don't get a little bit more snow to raise

597
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:21,560
Speaker 6: those soil moisture profiles throughout the range, we could be

598
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:25,759
Speaker 6: we could see some declines. But overall winter has been

599
00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:27,920
Speaker 6: pretty pretty easy on the birds this year.

600
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:31,919
Speaker 4: So if we need more, if we need more snow run,

601
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:35,040
Speaker 4: is that because of the dry result of that?

602
00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:39,920
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, we we need to get the soil in

603
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:43,680
Speaker 6: the ground. I mean, realistically, a little bit of dryness

604
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:46,239
Speaker 6: is okay for birds. In fact, it probably helps the

605
00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:49,440
Speaker 6: birds because it dries up some of those wetland edges

606
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:52,600
Speaker 6: and gives them a little bit more nesting cover. But

607
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:57,480
Speaker 6: a lot of dryness drives up all the green green

608
00:35:57,600 --> 00:36:00,239
Speaker 6: forbes that they need for bug production, and you see

609
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:04,360
Speaker 6: some pretty poor results in terms of your your brewed

610
00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:07,880
Speaker 6: survival rates. So I want to get enough soil in

611
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:09,360
Speaker 6: the ground, or enough moisture in.

612
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:09,880
Speaker 4: The ground that.

613
00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:14,759
Speaker 6: Those grasses grow, those forbes grow, they make bugs. The

614
00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:17,800
Speaker 6: birth the chicks eat the bugs, and the life cycle continues.

615
00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:18,400
Speaker 4: You know.

616
00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:21,319
Speaker 6: The other thing that worries us is if it gets

617
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:24,640
Speaker 6: too dry and egg producers need to need to generate

618
00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:27,840
Speaker 6: some some hay for their capital, they might need to

619
00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:30,200
Speaker 6: go out and get CRP and that would that would

620
00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:34,000
Speaker 6: be pretty devastating to some pretty stellar bird populations around

621
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:34,400
Speaker 6: the country.

622
00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:40,560
Speaker 2: As of turkey population grows, does that affect the pheasant population?

623
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:45,680
Speaker 2: Is there a competing interests that don't coincide?

624
00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:47,439
Speaker 3: Not really.

625
00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:51,359
Speaker 6: I mean, they use similar habitat types, but they're they're

626
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:56,080
Speaker 6: not competing against each other the way that what would

627
00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:59,880
Speaker 6: compete with turkeys, So not really there. You find them

628
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:02,040
Speaker 6: in the same places, but they're not competing for those

629
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:05,880
Speaker 6: same resources. Potentially for some food resources, but food is

630
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:09,480
Speaker 6: just really not limiting the in the agg world. There's

631
00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:12,240
Speaker 6: just enough waste grain on the ground and enough natural

632
00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:15,840
Speaker 6: food sources around there. It's not usually a problem.

633
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:20,839
Speaker 4: So you know, I'm teasing Billy. We both realize it's

634
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:24,240
Speaker 4: Valentine's Day and there could be a lot of winter left.

635
00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:29,960
Speaker 4: But in terms of early snow versus late snow, if

636
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:34,000
Speaker 4: we were to get a dumping of snow late in

637
00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:37,960
Speaker 4: the winter, Does that have a more severe effect on

638
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:41,600
Speaker 4: birds or is it the early snow that lasts a

639
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:46,680
Speaker 4: long time more significant. Give us kind of the overview

640
00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:50,400
Speaker 4: of what snow depth and when it hits, and you

641
00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:54,200
Speaker 4: know how that plays to the severity for birds.

642
00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:58,080
Speaker 6: You know, bother as a biologist. It depends, is always

643
00:37:58,120 --> 00:38:02,120
Speaker 6: the answer, I mean, And that's that frustrates you every

644
00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:03,720
Speaker 6: time we talk about this kind of stuff.

645
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:05,920
Speaker 4: I like black and white answers.

646
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:11,080
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's very true. You know, typically early bad weather

647
00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:15,240
Speaker 6: is better. Those birds come into winter in pretty healthy

648
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:19,760
Speaker 6: condition and they can survive some some short term pulses

649
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:23,320
Speaker 6: of severe weather without a problem. But the later you

650
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:27,000
Speaker 6: get in the season, the worst their health is. So

651
00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:30,520
Speaker 6: they're burning their fat reserves throughout the entire winter. And

652
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:32,560
Speaker 6: you get late in the season when their fat reserves

653
00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:34,840
Speaker 6: are lower and they got to go a couple of

654
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:37,560
Speaker 6: days without a meal. That's pretty tough on them. So

655
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:39,359
Speaker 6: if we're going to get snow, we want to get

656
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:44,600
Speaker 6: snow early. But that early snow that lasts forever, you know,

657
00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:46,880
Speaker 6: that's that's pretty tough on them. They're they're good at

658
00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:49,120
Speaker 6: digging down through snow. You get a little bit of ice,

659
00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:54,440
Speaker 6: that's problematic, But in terms of the timing of the storm,

660
00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:58,080
Speaker 6: later is worse for birds. We'd rather have that early

661
00:38:58,120 --> 00:38:59,760
Speaker 6: in the season because they're in better conditions.

662
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:04,120
Speaker 2: I've read some comments around from people saying that you

663
00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:08,200
Speaker 2: close the season in January Minnesota, Why don't le Why

664
00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:13,320
Speaker 2: don't you leave it open through February and into March?

665
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:16,840
Speaker 2: Is that because there's already you're just shooting roosters?

666
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:19,400
Speaker 4: Is there reason for that?

667
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:23,239
Speaker 2: Or are the every bird you take is going to

668
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:26,120
Speaker 2: be one not not nesting or helping nest.

669
00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:31,120
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean we use the term compensitive or additive mortality.

670
00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:33,160
Speaker 6: I throw a big word out there for Bob once

671
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:36,440
Speaker 6: in a while to make me do good. But the

672
00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:41,000
Speaker 6: idea is is are we adding to the natural mortality

673
00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:43,640
Speaker 6: by putting more stress on populations with birds? And then

674
00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:47,440
Speaker 6: the in the pheasant world, we're not. We're not adding

675
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:51,880
Speaker 6: to natural mortality by taking out the the roosters because

676
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:53,840
Speaker 6: it doesn't take a whole lot of roosters to service

677
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:56,920
Speaker 6: a good population of hens, and so as long as

678
00:39:56,960 --> 00:40:00,680
Speaker 6: we're servicing or as long as we're shooting roosters, there's

679
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:02,200
Speaker 6: not a lot of more mortality.

680
00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:02,480
Speaker 3: Now.

681
00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:07,600
Speaker 6: The reason typically traditionally that seasons have closed is to

682
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:10,719
Speaker 6: reduce the pressure on hens. So we're not pushing hens

683
00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:13,200
Speaker 6: out of habitat because our birds, you know, when they move,

684
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:16,840
Speaker 6: they die. That's the bottom of the food chain, and

685
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:19,200
Speaker 6: so the less pressure we can put on them during

686
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:20,319
Speaker 6: some of those storms.

687
00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:20,439
Speaker 3: The better.

688
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:24,720
Speaker 6: But realistically, it's traditions is the reason that we've closed

689
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:27,239
Speaker 6: it that early. I mean, seasons closed themselves at some

690
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:30,279
Speaker 6: point Minnesota, only fooled like us will go out in

691
00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:34,560
Speaker 6: terrible weather. These birds around them, We're really not putting

692
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:38,879
Speaker 6: that much pressure on the on the population, so there's

693
00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:41,640
Speaker 6: not a lot of reason to close it early. But

694
00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:45,360
Speaker 6: traditionally we've done that in an awful lot of the

695
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:46,239
Speaker 6: things that we love.

696
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:47,120
Speaker 5: Are based on tradition.

697
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:50,839
Speaker 4: Yeah, I agree with you. I was in Iowa two

698
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:54,759
Speaker 4: weeks ago for our state meeting Pheasants Forever State Meeting,

699
00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:59,040
Speaker 4: and I did a podcast with Todd Bogan hits the

700
00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:03,000
Speaker 4: upland bios for the Io dn R, and doctor Adam

701
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:07,160
Speaker 4: Jankie who's a biologist which for Iowa State University, and

702
00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:12,080
Speaker 4: I pose the question if you could only choose either

703
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:18,480
Speaker 4: a super mild winter or perfect nesting conditions for spring,

704
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:25,400
Speaker 4: which one is more advantageous to a healthy population of

705
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:28,479
Speaker 4: pheasants if you can only choose between super mild winter

706
00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:32,439
Speaker 4: or perfect nesting. And they both chose the same thing.

707
00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:37,000
Speaker 4: So I'm curious around, which would you choose between those

708
00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:46,480
Speaker 4: two for maintaining as high population as possible pheasants. I

709
00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:49,440
Speaker 4: want to see if you're the same answer, that's you

710
00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:54,880
Speaker 4: better answer, right, boy, I'm telling y'all, Oh, that's a

711
00:41:54,960 --> 00:42:04,200
Speaker 4: loaded question. It is. Well see what he said? Who okay?

712
00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:09,640
Speaker 6: So super mild winter or perfect spring nesting conditions? I

713
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:14,239
Speaker 6: would rather carry more birds through winter. There's a lot

714
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:17,640
Speaker 6: of there's a lot of nesting that happens in road

715
00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:21,680
Speaker 6: ditches and waste areas around the around the country. Here

716
00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:27,320
Speaker 6: perfect nesting conditions, there's so many variables. But if you

717
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:30,480
Speaker 6: can get the birds to spring, I'll take that every time.

718
00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:34,360
Speaker 4: He's right, three in a row. And that was the

719
00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:38,279
Speaker 4: exact same rationale that both of the other biologists in

720
00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:42,840
Speaker 4: Iowa uses. That you know, while which is somewhat counter

721
00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:46,080
Speaker 4: to my expectation. My expectation was, boy, if you can

722
00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:49,960
Speaker 4: have terrific nesting conditions, you can produce a lot of

723
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:53,480
Speaker 4: birds in the spring. But all three of you go

724
00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:56,319
Speaker 4: back to, well, you got to get hens to nest

725
00:42:56,440 --> 00:43:00,320
Speaker 4: next season. You got to have hens come through in

726
00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:04,840
Speaker 4: good conditions, so they are dropping eleven eggs. It always

727
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:08,080
Speaker 4: goes back to the hens. In the milder the winter,

728
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:13,640
Speaker 4: the more possibility of productivity because they'll try to renest

729
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:19,720
Speaker 4: three times. So see, you didn't you guys giving me grief.

730
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:24,719
Speaker 4: He came to the right the exact same answer for

731
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:30,080
Speaker 4: whatever whatever rationale Ron gave you. If it's not the

732
00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:33,759
Speaker 4: same as you heard, you just throw them out, throw

733
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:36,439
Speaker 4: the baby out with the bath water, like I would

734
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:46,600
Speaker 4: do to you. Yeah, well he got there. Uh, let's

735
00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:51,320
Speaker 4: talk about the biology of pheasants and nesting. Just a

736
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:54,120
Speaker 4: little bit about you know, a lot of people say, oh,

737
00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:57,600
Speaker 4: they pulled off a second hatch. Tell tell us about

738
00:43:57,719 --> 00:44:00,160
Speaker 4: biologically how phez.

739
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:07,800
Speaker 6: Nest the old second hatch theory. Okay, Biologically, these birds

740
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:13,759
Speaker 6: are are very intent on getting a clutch through, and

741
00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:16,400
Speaker 6: so they're going to start as soon as they can

742
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:20,600
Speaker 6: possibly start. Typically, we're seeing them nest, you know, in May,

743
00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:24,480
Speaker 6: it's sort of the peak of our nesting season. They're

744
00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:27,640
Speaker 6: dumping eggs for a couple of weeks and then sitting

745
00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:33,680
Speaker 6: on that nest for really until late June, and about

746
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:35,480
Speaker 6: half of those nests are going to get destroyed. So

747
00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:37,919
Speaker 6: they're going to put them in a place where either

748
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:39,920
Speaker 6: they shouldn't put them in the first place, keeping mind

749
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:42,360
Speaker 6: the vast majority of our mama's or a mama for

750
00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:44,840
Speaker 6: the first time, and so they're they're learning as they go,

751
00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:47,120
Speaker 6: So they're going to put them in place they shouldn't

752
00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:48,480
Speaker 6: have put them, and it's going to get hit by

753
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:52,480
Speaker 6: a mower, stepped on by a cow, eaten by a skunk,

754
00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:56,600
Speaker 6: in whatever happens to those eggs. And so they will renest.

755
00:44:56,680 --> 00:44:58,520
Speaker 6: So the ones that come off as soon as they

756
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:02,680
Speaker 6: see that first chick come out of an egg, they

757
00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:06,480
Speaker 6: go from nesting mode to mama mode instantly, and they

758
00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:09,919
Speaker 6: won't renest again. As soon as they see their first

759
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:12,560
Speaker 6: chick come out, they're done nesting for the year. Now,

760
00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:16,320
Speaker 6: if they lose that entire clutch, they've lost their population

761
00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:17,440
Speaker 6: productivity for a year.

762
00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:22,040
Speaker 3: But if they lose the eggs, they'll go renest.

763
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:25,520
Speaker 6: So something comes along and eats all of her eggs,

764
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:28,359
Speaker 6: she'll go try it again. Something comes along and eats

765
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:30,000
Speaker 6: all of her eggs, she'll go try it again, and

766
00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:32,640
Speaker 6: she'll keep trying as long as she's in good body

767
00:45:32,680 --> 00:45:35,280
Speaker 6: condition to develop or to put eggs in the basket.

768
00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:37,640
Speaker 6: Those clutch sizes go down.

769
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:39,359
Speaker 3: She puts less eggs.

770
00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:42,440
Speaker 6: In the nest every time she tries again, but her

771
00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:46,959
Speaker 6: productivity goes up in terms of success of that that nest.

772
00:45:47,239 --> 00:45:49,840
Speaker 6: So she gets better at it throughout the season, but

773
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:53,120
Speaker 6: she's got less body condition to make eggs. But yeah,

774
00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:54,960
Speaker 6: as soon as she sees the first chick come out

775
00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:56,719
Speaker 6: of the eggs, she is done being a nester and

776
00:45:56,840 --> 00:45:57,799
Speaker 6: she's turned into mama.

777
00:45:58,600 --> 00:46:06,360
Speaker 4: Are other birds the pheasants similar to that run, you know.

778
00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:12,640
Speaker 6: In terms of the persistent renest, Yes, or will they

779
00:46:12,719 --> 00:46:14,799
Speaker 6: carry off the double clutch because you will see double

780
00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:18,200
Speaker 6: clutches and some of the other bird species, you know.

781
00:46:18,239 --> 00:46:21,080
Speaker 6: I keep asking my quail people if that's actually a thing,

782
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:23,600
Speaker 6: and depends on the day, it seems like they get

783
00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:26,960
Speaker 6: a different answer from folks. And so some people tell

784
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:33,719
Speaker 6: me that Bob White will will double clutch. I don't

785
00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:36,240
Speaker 6: know that's the reality. I think sometimes bob White actually

786
00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:38,680
Speaker 6: split their nests and they'll dump half in one nest

787
00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:40,600
Speaker 6: and half in the other nest and then daddles it

788
00:46:40,719 --> 00:46:43,479
Speaker 6: on one and mom sits on one and we count

789
00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:47,320
Speaker 6: that as a double clutch. But I think you know,

790
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:49,880
Speaker 6: most of the galliforms, most of the pheasant like birds

791
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:50,840
Speaker 6: are pretty similar in the.

792
00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:55,239
Speaker 4: Way that they do that. The rough grouse and turkeys,

793
00:46:55,400 --> 00:47:00,279
Speaker 4: for instance, are very similar to what pheasants do in

794
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:04,360
Speaker 4: terms of the nesting. Yeah. Uh yeah, So we're going

795
00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:06,759
Speaker 4: to take a break. When we come back, let's talk

796
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:11,920
Speaker 4: about the breaking news around CRP as well as with

797
00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:15,400
Speaker 4: pheasant Fest coming up. If landowners, you know, people on

798
00:47:15,560 --> 00:47:18,560
Speaker 4: maybe a back forty of their own property, that they

799
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:23,000
Speaker 4: want to dial up for pheasants in Minnesota what they

800
00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:25,600
Speaker 4: can learn at pheasant Fest. So we'll be back with

801
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:38,880
Speaker 4: Ron Leathers right after this Human Good morning, Saturday morning.

802
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:43,560
Speaker 4: Fan outdoors that morning, the captain is giggling, said, you

803
00:47:43,640 --> 00:47:47,160
Speaker 4: bring it back in, just grinding like a chesshire cat.

804
00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:49,680
Speaker 5: No, you know, this is what it is.

805
00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:55,239
Speaker 4: Happy Valentine's data everyone out there. Happy Valentine's Day.

806
00:47:55,320 --> 00:47:57,960
Speaker 6: Ron, Thanks Bob.

807
00:47:59,719 --> 00:48:03,200
Speaker 4: Rob Well, there's chief conservation officer with Pheasants Forever and

808
00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:08,240
Speaker 4: Quail Forever joining us this morning. We got some early

809
00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:10,640
Speaker 4: Valentine's news, if you can look at it that way,

810
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:15,920
Speaker 4: with some CRP news earlier this week. What did USDA

811
00:48:16,120 --> 00:48:18,160
Speaker 4: tell us about CRP this week?

812
00:48:20,120 --> 00:48:22,080
Speaker 6: Yeah, we got some good news this week. We weren't

813
00:48:22,120 --> 00:48:24,920
Speaker 6: sure when we were going to get it this year,

814
00:48:25,080 --> 00:48:30,280
Speaker 6: but a CRP enrollment is open in March for both

815
00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:34,640
Speaker 6: the general and the continuous programs. So that's a pretty

816
00:48:34,719 --> 00:48:39,880
Speaker 6: important thing for our organization for our favorite birds. Realistically,

817
00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:43,160
Speaker 6: you know, the dosant populations are where they are because

818
00:48:43,239 --> 00:48:47,120
Speaker 6: of this CRP program. So it's a huge announcement for us.

819
00:48:49,160 --> 00:48:51,200
Speaker 4: How many acres and what does it mean for a

820
00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:55,000
Speaker 4: landowner that's you know, maybe got a forty acres and

821
00:48:55,040 --> 00:48:58,240
Speaker 4: they've never been enrolled in a conservation program before.

822
00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:04,120
Speaker 6: Yeah, RP is huge, twenty seven million acres of eligible

823
00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:10,880
Speaker 6: enrollment nationwide, so that's a big programs. The primary purpose

824
00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:14,920
Speaker 6: of CRP is to take environmentally sensitive acres out of production,

825
00:49:15,160 --> 00:49:18,960
Speaker 6: so those places where the farmers getting this tractor stuck

826
00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:22,160
Speaker 6: every year because it's just too wet, it doesn't belong

827
00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:25,680
Speaker 6: under the crops, and so we can plant some habitat

828
00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:30,560
Speaker 6: on those pieces of property and conserve soil, water, air, wildlife,

829
00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:33,040
Speaker 6: all the wonderful things that we get there.

830
00:49:33,080 --> 00:49:34,200
Speaker 4: So there's a big program.

831
00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:38,399
Speaker 6: Does a lot of different things, but obviously we're most

832
00:49:38,600 --> 00:49:41,680
Speaker 6: concerned about this opportunity to provide nesting cover for our

833
00:49:41,719 --> 00:49:47,640
Speaker 6: favorite birds. And so in the pheasant range, there's about

834
00:49:47,680 --> 00:49:50,600
Speaker 6: two million acres available, one point nine million acres available

835
00:49:50,680 --> 00:49:55,279
Speaker 6: this year. Most of those are expiring prior CRP contracts

836
00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:57,800
Speaker 6: about a million and a half of those and about

837
00:49:57,800 --> 00:50:00,840
Speaker 6: a million of those are in a peasant range. So

838
00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:05,240
Speaker 6: primarily it states like Iowa, Washington, Kansas where you're seeing

839
00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:08,719
Speaker 6: some reductions. In Minnesota, you know, the listeners about eighty

840
00:50:08,760 --> 00:50:10,760
Speaker 6: three thousand acres that are going to go away unless

841
00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:14,080
Speaker 6: we can get those drolls. So pretty important from a

842
00:50:14,160 --> 00:50:19,759
Speaker 6: productivity standpoint, you know, from the farm perspective, it's a

843
00:50:20,040 --> 00:50:23,080
Speaker 6: it's a it's important part of the farm economics. It's

844
00:50:23,080 --> 00:50:26,840
Speaker 6: an important part, important part of you know, farmer's ability

845
00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:31,040
Speaker 6: to stabilize their income and just to see a lot

846
00:50:31,080 --> 00:50:33,640
Speaker 6: of birds. And so you got that back forty that

847
00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:37,000
Speaker 6: that isn't really producing something. You can enroll it in

848
00:50:37,080 --> 00:50:39,759
Speaker 6: the program and get an annual payment on that and

849
00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:41,680
Speaker 6: start to see a lot of pheasants in your backyard

850
00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:43,239
Speaker 6: with that.

851
00:50:43,480 --> 00:50:46,319
Speaker 2: Ron, I mean, obviously there's a lot of pheasants are

852
00:50:46,440 --> 00:50:50,239
Speaker 2: crucial what we're talking about right now. But there's waterfowl,

853
00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:55,160
Speaker 2: there are songbirds, there are all kinds of critters and

854
00:50:55,320 --> 00:50:59,239
Speaker 2: animals that you see RP. And in the past, wasn't

855
00:50:59,600 --> 00:51:04,840
Speaker 2: some of the payment the acreage payments not real competitive

856
00:51:05,239 --> 00:51:07,239
Speaker 2: and that turns some farmers off.

857
00:51:09,520 --> 00:51:11,560
Speaker 6: Yeah, and it's that's still the case, Billy.

858
00:51:11,600 --> 00:51:12,400
Speaker 3: It's the.

859
00:51:14,440 --> 00:51:18,200
Speaker 6: Statutory limits so that the RP payments are based on

860
00:51:18,360 --> 00:51:22,000
Speaker 6: the average soil rental rate for that particular soil type.

861
00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:23,839
Speaker 6: And I won't get too far into the weeds there,

862
00:51:24,120 --> 00:51:28,799
Speaker 6: but statutorily, about eighty five percent of the average soil

863
00:51:28,880 --> 00:51:34,239
Speaker 6: rental rate for that offered acre is what you can

864
00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:37,040
Speaker 6: make on a general piece herpy contract. So that is

865
00:51:37,160 --> 00:51:43,440
Speaker 6: by definition not competitive with rental rates from farmers. So

866
00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:47,439
Speaker 6: USC goes through process where they identify what a farmer

867
00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:51,279
Speaker 6: would pay for that soil type, and then the statute

868
00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:54,440
Speaker 6: says USCA is going to pay eighty five percent of

869
00:51:54,560 --> 00:52:01,360
Speaker 6: that rate. So yeah, by definition, non competitive farm prices

870
00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:04,640
Speaker 6: farm rent prices. But we're still seeing some enrollment and

871
00:52:04,760 --> 00:52:07,279
Speaker 6: it's really because those are the acres that shouldn't have

872
00:52:07,360 --> 00:52:08,160
Speaker 6: ever been taking.

873
00:52:08,080 --> 00:52:11,880
Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, those are the hillsides the edges of the

874
00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:15,200
Speaker 4: fields next to a wood lot, next to a stream.

875
00:52:15,400 --> 00:52:18,800
Speaker 4: So they're not you know, the best to the best

876
00:52:19,200 --> 00:52:19,960
Speaker 4: sort of acres.

877
00:52:22,120 --> 00:52:24,040
Speaker 6: Yes, that's what we're looking at. We say farm the

878
00:52:24,120 --> 00:52:25,359
Speaker 6: best in CRP the rest.

879
00:52:26,200 --> 00:52:28,600
Speaker 4: I remember when back in the day, when you and

880
00:52:28,680 --> 00:52:31,640
Speaker 4: I started, there was a map of the pheasant range

881
00:52:32,040 --> 00:52:37,680
Speaker 4: in what kind of habitat was needed in different parts

882
00:52:37,680 --> 00:52:39,640
Speaker 4: of the country. It was like ninety eight percent of

883
00:52:39,719 --> 00:52:44,640
Speaker 4: the country nesting cover was the biggest limiting factor of

884
00:52:44,920 --> 00:52:48,200
Speaker 4: type of habitat that pheasants needed. There's a little bit

885
00:52:48,239 --> 00:52:51,879
Speaker 4: of you know, North Dakota, Montana that needed winter cover.

886
00:52:52,680 --> 00:52:56,760
Speaker 4: It is that map that those percentages still true today,

887
00:52:57,320 --> 00:53:00,840
Speaker 4: that nesting cover is the kind of a holy grail

888
00:53:01,520 --> 00:53:02,920
Speaker 4: for bird numbers.

889
00:53:04,680 --> 00:53:08,160
Speaker 6: It is, it is nesting cover is the most important

890
00:53:08,239 --> 00:53:10,719
Speaker 6: factor and the most limiting factor for our birds, which

891
00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:14,280
Speaker 6: is contradictory to the conversation that earlier about good winters

892
00:53:14,680 --> 00:53:20,279
Speaker 6: or perfect nesting conditions. But you know, if you again,

893
00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:22,760
Speaker 6: you can't get the hens to nest to the nesting season,

894
00:53:23,520 --> 00:53:27,239
Speaker 6: nothing else matters. But once they get there, giving them

895
00:53:27,320 --> 00:53:30,239
Speaker 6: the opportunity to sit on a nest can produce a

896
00:53:30,320 --> 00:53:32,520
Speaker 6: lot of a lot of chicks in a big time hurry,

897
00:53:32,640 --> 00:53:36,040
Speaker 6: and that is by far and away the most limiting

898
00:53:36,680 --> 00:53:40,200
Speaker 6: thing and habitat in the pheasant range. So think about

899
00:53:40,200 --> 00:53:42,320
Speaker 6: it next time you drive across the egg country. Just

900
00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:44,920
Speaker 6: take a look on both sides of the road and

901
00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:47,920
Speaker 6: try to figure out what percentage of that landscape is

902
00:53:47,960 --> 00:53:52,120
Speaker 6: a nesting cover. It's it's very, very low the majority.

903
00:53:51,719 --> 00:53:52,439
Speaker 3: Of the corn belt.

904
00:53:53,320 --> 00:53:54,880
Speaker 4: Now, all I have to do is drive around in

905
00:53:55,000 --> 00:53:58,640
Speaker 4: the late fall, in the winter time, and you can

906
00:53:58,760 --> 00:54:02,719
Speaker 4: see that there's not much what black and snow out there.

907
00:54:04,080 --> 00:54:07,680
Speaker 4: Same thing when you look at well, you think about

908
00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:11,040
Speaker 4: winter cover, and it's down to cattails. Yeah, you know

909
00:54:11,280 --> 00:54:14,160
Speaker 4: the which you know, we have the advantage here in

910
00:54:14,200 --> 00:54:17,800
Speaker 4: Minnesota being in with a lot of waterfall production areas

911
00:54:17,880 --> 00:54:21,480
Speaker 4: and the cattails hold winter cover and most of us

912
00:54:21,560 --> 00:54:22,200
Speaker 4: public land.

913
00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:26,600
Speaker 6: Yeah, the winter cover is important. It's important when you

914
00:54:26,680 --> 00:54:30,080
Speaker 6: get those nasty storms, but it's a very small percentage

915
00:54:30,200 --> 00:54:33,440
Speaker 6: of the habitat needs of the bird. We're by far

916
00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:35,879
Speaker 6: and away much better off planting nasty cover.

917
00:54:36,360 --> 00:54:39,799
Speaker 4: Well, uh, before we run out of time, tell us

918
00:54:39,840 --> 00:54:42,280
Speaker 4: a little bit about you know, you from the habitat

919
00:54:42,400 --> 00:54:46,400
Speaker 4: stage to the help desk, what land owners or somebody

920
00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:49,919
Speaker 4: that owns property can learn at Pheasant Fast next weekend.

921
00:54:50,840 --> 00:54:55,520
Speaker 6: Ye Fast next week. It feels like we've been well,

922
00:54:55,760 --> 00:54:57,680
Speaker 6: it has been pushing up to this and we've been

923
00:54:57,680 --> 00:55:01,520
Speaker 6: playing hard. So open to see some landowners come out,

924
00:55:01,960 --> 00:55:05,400
Speaker 6: Folks that have recreational properties or farmers that you know,

925
00:55:05,520 --> 00:55:07,120
Speaker 6: need to look again look at what they're going to

926
00:55:07,160 --> 00:55:10,360
Speaker 6: do with that wetland. Come on out. We've got aerial

927
00:55:10,440 --> 00:55:13,080
Speaker 6: imagery of anywhere in the country and so we can

928
00:55:13,160 --> 00:55:16,160
Speaker 6: bring up your maps of your property. We can take

929
00:55:16,160 --> 00:55:19,120
Speaker 6: a look at what programs are available for your particular

930
00:55:19,200 --> 00:55:21,479
Speaker 6: piece of property, how you're doing. A lot of folks

931
00:55:21,560 --> 00:55:22,960
Speaker 6: just want to come out and get a sense of

932
00:55:23,400 --> 00:55:25,759
Speaker 6: you know, just by doing the right things on my place.

933
00:55:25,800 --> 00:55:27,640
Speaker 6: And we can give them a few quick tips that

934
00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:32,120
Speaker 6: might help make their bird populations better or they're more successful.

935
00:55:32,640 --> 00:55:35,480
Speaker 6: We're happy to do both of those things. So lots

936
00:55:35,520 --> 00:55:38,960
Speaker 6: of seminars on how to design a seed mix, or

937
00:55:39,040 --> 00:55:41,960
Speaker 6: how to plant that winter cover, or how to get

938
00:55:42,080 --> 00:55:44,399
Speaker 6: used in the ground. You get a chance to look

939
00:55:44,400 --> 00:55:46,839
Speaker 6: at some seed drills that are scattered around the place,

940
00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:50,000
Speaker 6: and just there's a lot of steel in the place.

941
00:55:50,400 --> 00:55:53,160
Speaker 6: We're just taking a look at all the different implements

942
00:55:53,200 --> 00:55:56,239
Speaker 6: that are around the show, but sit down and talk

943
00:55:56,280 --> 00:55:58,160
Speaker 6: to one of our biologists and they'll get a chance

944
00:55:58,239 --> 00:56:01,640
Speaker 6: to help you design your your dream habitat conditions. And

945
00:56:02,040 --> 00:56:04,160
Speaker 6: that's what they're there for. They're excited about it. I'm

946
00:56:04,200 --> 00:56:05,960
Speaker 6: excited to go watch them do it. We've got a

947
00:56:06,040 --> 00:56:09,680
Speaker 6: really talented group of employees that do this really really well,

948
00:56:09,800 --> 00:56:11,600
Speaker 6: and they'll all be at the show next week.

949
00:56:12,120 --> 00:56:15,799
Speaker 4: Cool. But even if you're not a landowner, it would

950
00:56:15,800 --> 00:56:18,760
Speaker 4: be whove you, I believe ron to find out someone

951
00:56:19,600 --> 00:56:23,360
Speaker 4: the processes that go through that people go through in

952
00:56:23,520 --> 00:56:26,960
Speaker 4: order to do this, because a lot of it, myself included,

953
00:56:27,640 --> 00:56:29,719
Speaker 4: take a lot of this for granted that it just

954
00:56:29,880 --> 00:56:33,080
Speaker 4: kind of happens, And it doesn't just kind of happen.

955
00:56:33,600 --> 00:56:35,440
Speaker 4: I mean, there's a plan.

956
00:56:37,880 --> 00:56:42,239
Speaker 6: It takes some talented people, and it takes some good programs,

957
00:56:42,400 --> 00:56:46,560
Speaker 6: some federal and state programs, and so you know, getting

958
00:56:46,600 --> 00:56:50,000
Speaker 6: people to talk to their congressman about how important this

959
00:56:50,200 --> 00:56:54,000
Speaker 6: program is and why it's important to them from you know,

960
00:56:54,040 --> 00:56:58,960
Speaker 6: their outdoor pursuits standpoint is important as well. So we're

961
00:56:58,960 --> 00:57:00,800
Speaker 6: going to talk about all those things next week, and

962
00:57:00,880 --> 00:57:02,480
Speaker 6: it's a good chance to see the breadth of the

963
00:57:02,640 --> 00:57:05,240
Speaker 6: organization and all the cool things that we're doing for wildlife.

964
00:57:05,600 --> 00:57:10,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, including creating access our public Access to Habitat program

965
00:57:11,040 --> 00:57:15,160
Speaker 4: PATH program. There's lots of different ways that we create

966
00:57:15,560 --> 00:57:20,240
Speaker 4: public land for hunters, whether it's through walking programs or

967
00:57:20,920 --> 00:57:23,560
Speaker 4: land acquisition, like through our build of wildlife area. So

968
00:57:23,920 --> 00:57:27,680
Speaker 4: soop to nuts, habitat to access. It's all on the

969
00:57:27,760 --> 00:57:31,200
Speaker 4: Habitat stage or the public land stage at Pheasant Fest

970
00:57:31,280 --> 00:57:31,840
Speaker 4: next weekend.

971
00:57:33,440 --> 00:57:35,520
Speaker 6: Just rolled those numbers up, Bob. It's more than one

972
00:57:35,600 --> 00:57:38,600
Speaker 6: hundred and fifty thousand new acres this year through our

973
00:57:38,640 --> 00:57:41,800
Speaker 6: path program. Wow, in addition to all the other walking

974
00:57:41,880 --> 00:57:43,720
Speaker 6: acres that were around the country. So one hundred and

975
00:57:43,760 --> 00:57:45,960
Speaker 6: fifty thousand new acres of places for people.

976
00:57:45,760 --> 00:57:47,760
Speaker 4: To go walk their dog, Bron.

977
00:57:47,840 --> 00:57:49,919
Speaker 2: I assume that you were going, you will be done

978
00:57:49,960 --> 00:57:52,680
Speaker 2: at Pheasant Festival. So if people have questions or like.

979
00:57:52,720 --> 00:57:55,800
Speaker 4: Now he gets the weekend off, Captain doesn't have to go.

980
00:57:56,160 --> 00:57:59,520
Speaker 4: I heard that you were heading up north, so I'm

981
00:57:59,600 --> 00:58:04,080
Speaker 4: going you next weekend. I have seen you in action.

982
00:58:04,680 --> 00:58:10,880
Speaker 4: There's no scheme in your world, but if people do

983
00:58:11,040 --> 00:58:11,760
Speaker 4: want to get down.

984
00:58:11,680 --> 00:58:13,840
Speaker 6: There, it's love to see people. I'll be on the

985
00:58:13,880 --> 00:58:18,120
Speaker 6: Showfflour on Saturday, and yeah, I mean anybody. I'd love

986
00:58:18,200 --> 00:58:20,280
Speaker 6: talking to folks, So swing by and see us and

987
00:58:21,360 --> 00:58:25,600
Speaker 6: ask me that nasty head burd nerd question I wanted

988
00:58:25,640 --> 00:58:26,360
Speaker 6: to get answered.

989
00:58:27,960 --> 00:58:31,720
Speaker 4: Thanks. Does Bob have a nickname down PF two?

990
00:58:32,760 --> 00:58:34,040
Speaker 6: Yeah, but totally not appropriate.

991
00:58:36,120 --> 00:58:37,960
Speaker 4: I'll just leave it at that. I was wondering how

992
00:58:38,000 --> 00:58:43,240
Speaker 4: he's going to answer that. I've got some stories I

993
00:58:43,320 --> 00:58:44,360
Speaker 4: can share around.

994
00:58:44,160 --> 00:58:45,600
Speaker 6: So I can't wait.

995
00:58:47,840 --> 00:58:49,000
Speaker 4: Look at this time, getta go.

996
00:58:49,600 --> 00:58:52,120
Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us, Ron, I really appreciate it and

997
00:58:52,160 --> 00:58:55,200
Speaker 2: look forward to meeting you down at pheasant Fest next weekend.

998
00:58:56,280 --> 00:58:58,640
Speaker 6: Thanks guys, Yeah, come on down next week. Looking forward

999
00:58:58,640 --> 00:58:58,960
Speaker 6: to seeing you.

1000
00:58:59,280 --> 00:59:03,800
Speaker 4: Thanks Ron, Ron Leathers physist Forever. We'll take a pause

1001
00:59:03,920 --> 00:59:10,320
Speaker 4: and come back with Stu Austin from Iron Horse Trading Companies.

1002
00:59:10,440 --> 00:59:13,680
Speaker 4: You were good at that. I fill in the gaps.

1003
00:59:13,840 --> 00:59:55,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, right after this, we're back twenty minutes after the

1004
00:59:55,040 --> 00:59:59,840
Speaker 2: hour of seven a m. Fan Outdoors Saturday, and it

1005
01:00:00,200 --> 01:00:03,920
Speaker 2: Span Outdoors is coming right after you right now till

1006
01:00:03,960 --> 01:00:05,960
Speaker 2: the eight o'clock hour, and then keep it right here

1007
01:00:06,120 --> 01:00:10,040
Speaker 2: because in the zone follows us and on my way home,

1008
01:00:10,080 --> 01:00:11,480
Speaker 2: I always.

1009
01:00:11,080 --> 01:00:13,120
Speaker 4: Listen to those guys.

1010
01:00:13,200 --> 01:00:18,400
Speaker 2: It's great conversation, very knowledgeable about all kinds of things

1011
01:00:19,080 --> 01:00:23,600
Speaker 2: sports related. I always kind of chuckle when try to

1012
01:00:23,680 --> 01:00:28,120
Speaker 2: talk about the outdoors anybody else, and he just gets

1013
01:00:28,400 --> 01:00:34,080
Speaker 2: blasted and it's not real accurate oftentimes, but that's okay.

1014
01:00:34,520 --> 01:00:38,320
Speaker 4: At least we're trying. So our next guest is here

1015
01:00:38,960 --> 01:00:39,520
Speaker 4: talk to him.

1016
01:00:39,720 --> 01:00:44,080
Speaker 2: I've been at his store, Iron Horse Trading Company in Albany, Minnesota,

1017
01:00:44,120 --> 01:00:46,800
Speaker 2: a number of times now, and I know a lot

1018
01:00:46,880 --> 01:00:49,240
Speaker 2: of people are not a lot, but I know people

1019
01:00:49,280 --> 01:00:52,840
Speaker 2: who have stopped in one time and Stu Austing has

1020
01:00:52,920 --> 01:00:57,480
Speaker 2: become their favorite gun smith because he is also.

1021
01:00:57,360 --> 01:01:00,560
Speaker 4: Mine and does a wonderful job with fire. I'm still

1022
01:01:00,640 --> 01:01:01,520
Speaker 4: good morning, sir.

1023
01:01:02,200 --> 01:01:03,840
Speaker 5: Good morning Billy. Thanks for having me on.

1024
01:01:04,120 --> 01:01:08,640
Speaker 4: Of course, welcome. I thank you, and as I talked

1025
01:01:08,880 --> 01:01:14,320
Speaker 4: with you before, a lot of people, myself included, have

1026
01:01:15,840 --> 01:01:23,200
Speaker 4: taken gotten guns firearms from relatives or they've been gifted

1027
01:01:23,360 --> 01:01:27,880
Speaker 4: to me. But they aren't when they were registered, if

1028
01:01:27,920 --> 01:01:30,640
Speaker 4: they were ever registered, because some are pretty old. In fact,

1029
01:01:30,720 --> 01:01:38,520
Speaker 4: I got some that are ancient. They're really old. But flocks, huh, No,

1030
01:01:38,680 --> 01:01:40,919
Speaker 4: I've got I told Stu I've got an old I've

1031
01:01:40,920 --> 01:01:45,240
Speaker 4: got a picture of my father with his dad and

1032
01:01:45,360 --> 01:01:51,000
Speaker 4: his dad's uncle, which would be my whatever far out.

1033
01:01:51,920 --> 01:01:55,160
Speaker 4: But anyway, they're holding mallards. My dad was in high

1034
01:01:55,240 --> 01:01:58,960
Speaker 4: high school. Uh huh, they're holding mallards in a lot

1035
01:01:59,080 --> 01:01:59,520
Speaker 4: of rope.

1036
01:02:00,320 --> 01:02:02,800
Speaker 2: And I think it was ten apiece then and they

1037
01:02:02,840 --> 01:02:04,720
Speaker 2: were Actually it was a black and white photo two

1038
01:02:04,800 --> 01:02:08,240
Speaker 2: years ago. They had somebody colorize it and so they

1039
01:02:08,320 --> 01:02:11,040
Speaker 2: had to know how many drakes and hens. But he's

1040
01:02:11,080 --> 01:02:15,200
Speaker 2: holding my grandfather's holding a hammer gun engauge. Hammer gun

1041
01:02:15,280 --> 01:02:19,160
Speaker 2: weighs about twenty five pounds. And I have that firearm.

1042
01:02:19,720 --> 01:02:21,880
Speaker 2: It's never been shot and I will never shoot it.

1043
01:02:21,960 --> 01:02:24,880
Speaker 2: Oka't hell, I can't carry it. I wouldn't carry it

1044
01:02:24,960 --> 01:02:28,920
Speaker 2: across the room like thirteen pounds. Honestly, when you come

1045
01:02:29,000 --> 01:02:30,160
Speaker 2: over sometime, I'll show you.

1046
01:02:30,760 --> 01:02:34,120
Speaker 4: But anyway, and I was curious if I needed to

1047
01:02:34,280 --> 01:02:39,920
Speaker 4: have some of my those paperwork registered. Yeah, so what

1048
01:02:40,160 --> 01:02:43,480
Speaker 4: is what did you find out about that? Well?

1049
01:02:44,120 --> 01:02:46,360
Speaker 5: I kind of went down a rabbit hole and there's

1050
01:02:46,360 --> 01:02:48,840
Speaker 5: a lot of there's a lot of information out there,

1051
01:02:50,440 --> 01:02:52,120
Speaker 5: but the short answer is you don't have to.

1052
01:02:52,160 --> 01:02:53,320
Speaker 3: Do anything with those guns.

1053
01:02:53,400 --> 01:02:58,280
Speaker 5: Oh, Minnesota, the state of Minnesota and federally, there is

1054
01:02:58,440 --> 01:03:01,640
Speaker 5: no gun register. A lot of people think that there's

1055
01:03:01,760 --> 01:03:04,800
Speaker 5: this database out there with your name and every gun

1056
01:03:04,880 --> 01:03:06,919
Speaker 5: that you own on it, and that's just not true.

1057
01:03:08,120 --> 01:03:10,920
Speaker 5: People assume that when they're here buying a gun and

1058
01:03:11,040 --> 01:03:13,760
Speaker 5: we're tapping away in the computer and they're filling out

1059
01:03:13,840 --> 01:03:17,200
Speaker 5: paperwork that we're sending all that information in and it's

1060
01:03:17,200 --> 01:03:18,840
Speaker 5: getting logged into someplace.

1061
01:03:18,520 --> 01:03:20,440
Speaker 3: And somebody's watching.

1062
01:03:21,320 --> 01:03:21,960
Speaker 4: That's not the case.

1063
01:03:22,000 --> 01:03:24,000
Speaker 5: What we're doing is just running a background check. So

1064
01:03:24,400 --> 01:03:26,640
Speaker 5: in the case of those old firearms that have passed

1065
01:03:26,680 --> 01:03:30,120
Speaker 5: down through the family, they're not registered to anybody. In fact,

1066
01:03:30,720 --> 01:03:32,640
Speaker 5: a lot of those guns, if you look closely at them,

1067
01:03:32,640 --> 01:03:35,000
Speaker 5: may not have serial numbers on them because that sort

1068
01:03:35,000 --> 01:03:38,439
Speaker 5: of thing wasn't mandated until I think nineteen sixty eight.

1069
01:03:38,640 --> 01:03:43,040
Speaker 5: So the short answer is just enjoy the guns. You

1070
01:03:43,080 --> 01:03:46,120
Speaker 5: don't have to do anything. In a case of them

1071
01:03:46,160 --> 01:03:49,880
Speaker 5: being stolen or something like that, I would retain those

1072
01:03:49,920 --> 01:03:52,880
Speaker 5: serial numbers if there are serial numbers, so that is

1073
01:03:52,960 --> 01:03:56,200
Speaker 5: today comes where they're stolen, you can report that and

1074
01:03:56,280 --> 01:03:59,560
Speaker 5: then maybe track them down down the road. But as

1075
01:03:59,560 --> 01:04:01,520
Speaker 5: far as they're there is no registration, so you have

1076
01:04:01,680 --> 01:04:04,440
Speaker 5: no real responsibility with that old stuff.

1077
01:04:04,760 --> 01:04:06,960
Speaker 4: Well, with some of the older firearms, stew what do

1078
01:04:07,080 --> 01:04:09,760
Speaker 4: you have to know as far as being able to

1079
01:04:10,280 --> 01:04:13,240
Speaker 4: shoot it or fire it again, if it's safe or not.

1080
01:04:14,600 --> 01:04:17,440
Speaker 5: Well, in the case of yours, you know, i'd look

1081
01:04:17,480 --> 01:04:21,200
Speaker 5: at that thing closely. Back when they were making hammer shotguns,

1082
01:04:21,280 --> 01:04:24,440
Speaker 5: that sort of thing kind of phased out in at

1083
01:04:24,480 --> 01:04:27,840
Speaker 5: the very end of the nineteenth century, So that gun

1084
01:04:27,920 --> 01:04:32,720
Speaker 5: that you've got is probably pre dates eighteen ninety in

1085
01:04:32,920 --> 01:04:37,560
Speaker 5: my gas. And when they were making barrels back then,

1086
01:04:38,360 --> 01:04:40,240
Speaker 5: they were doing so in such a way that basically

1087
01:04:40,280 --> 01:04:42,760
Speaker 5: what they were doing was wrapping steel around some sort

1088
01:04:42,800 --> 01:04:46,080
Speaker 5: of a mandrel and then forging it together. And it's

1089
01:04:46,080 --> 01:04:49,920
Speaker 5: called Damascus steel, and it's in a case of knives

1090
01:04:49,960 --> 01:04:52,080
Speaker 5: and stuff, it's kind of prized. But in the case

1091
01:04:52,120 --> 01:04:55,280
Speaker 5: of shotgun barrels, although it's pretty to look at, it

1092
01:04:55,400 --> 01:04:58,240
Speaker 5: isn't very strong. So it's a good idea to know

1093
01:04:58,360 --> 01:05:02,280
Speaker 5: that the approximate age of your guns, so that you know, okay,

1094
01:05:02,720 --> 01:05:05,480
Speaker 5: I probably shouldn't shoot any high pressure shells through these things.

1095
01:05:05,560 --> 01:05:08,280
Speaker 5: And then the other thing is shells over the decades

1096
01:05:08,280 --> 01:05:11,720
Speaker 5: have gotten longer, and that sounds silly to most people,

1097
01:05:11,800 --> 01:05:15,440
Speaker 5: but those old old shotguns typically only had in the

1098
01:05:15,480 --> 01:05:16,920
Speaker 5: case of a twelve gage, maybe a two and a

1099
01:05:16,960 --> 01:05:19,280
Speaker 5: half inch chamber, and now we're up to three and

1100
01:05:19,320 --> 01:05:22,320
Speaker 5: a half inches, So you've got to know what length

1101
01:05:22,400 --> 01:05:24,280
Speaker 5: shotgun shell goes, and those guns as well.

1102
01:05:24,960 --> 01:05:27,840
Speaker 2: What happens if somebody shoots If it's a two and

1103
01:05:27,960 --> 01:05:30,360
Speaker 2: three quarter inch chamber and they shoot a three inch

1104
01:05:30,400 --> 01:05:31,040
Speaker 2: shell through it.

1105
01:05:32,520 --> 01:05:35,400
Speaker 5: You know, if the steal is strong enough, the shell's

1106
01:05:35,440 --> 01:05:37,120
Speaker 5: probably just gonna get stuck in the gun and you're

1107
01:05:37,120 --> 01:05:39,440
Speaker 5: gonna have to get a cleaning rod and tap it out.

1108
01:05:39,920 --> 01:05:42,040
Speaker 5: I wouldn't get in the habit of doing it because

1109
01:05:42,040 --> 01:05:45,560
Speaker 5: it's not it's just not an ideal situation. It's probably

1110
01:05:45,600 --> 01:05:48,760
Speaker 5: gonna kick a little more. You're probably not going to

1111
01:05:48,800 --> 01:05:51,040
Speaker 5: wreck anything, but the gun isn't going to function the

1112
01:05:51,080 --> 01:05:51,960
Speaker 5: way it was designed to.

1113
01:05:52,480 --> 01:05:55,120
Speaker 2: H I've always wondered that and been so careful not

1114
01:05:55,320 --> 01:05:58,760
Speaker 2: to have. Of course, Bob sometimes carries the wrong gage

1115
01:05:58,840 --> 01:06:02,960
Speaker 2: shell on pheasant opener, but two years of a row, I.

1116
01:06:02,960 --> 01:06:09,000
Speaker 4: Think, yeah, quickly, figure as a kid, I put a

1117
01:06:09,160 --> 01:06:11,720
Speaker 4: two and three quarter inch shell into a two and

1118
01:06:11,760 --> 01:06:14,440
Speaker 4: a half inch pump gun and it got stuck in

1119
01:06:14,520 --> 01:06:18,520
Speaker 4: there after firing, and like assue any trying to get

1120
01:06:18,600 --> 01:06:21,400
Speaker 4: that out. You don't want to. You can't shoot more

1121
01:06:21,480 --> 01:06:25,919
Speaker 4: than once because it becomes a mess. Uh. He talked

1122
01:06:25,920 --> 01:06:29,640
Speaker 4: about the barrels, and you know, the ammunition has gone

1123
01:06:29,680 --> 01:06:35,040
Speaker 4: from lead to a lot of different non toxic materials.

1124
01:06:35,120 --> 01:06:39,480
Speaker 4: What year did barrels change to be able to where

1125
01:06:39,520 --> 01:06:41,480
Speaker 4: you can put different materials through it?

1126
01:06:42,640 --> 01:06:45,400
Speaker 5: Right, that's a good question, and I would tell you

1127
01:06:45,520 --> 01:06:50,000
Speaker 5: that it was probably, you know, they started making barrels

1128
01:06:50,000 --> 01:06:53,720
Speaker 5: out a better, stronger steel, probably in the sixties. But

1129
01:06:53,880 --> 01:06:57,120
Speaker 5: the big the biggest thing with shotgun barrels and non

1130
01:06:57,200 --> 01:07:00,560
Speaker 5: toxic shots steel shot in particular, because obviously we know

1131
01:07:00,640 --> 01:07:03,880
Speaker 5: that steel doesn't compress or deform or anything like that.

1132
01:07:04,040 --> 01:07:06,760
Speaker 5: So when you're trying to force steel shot through a

1133
01:07:06,840 --> 01:07:11,280
Speaker 5: constricted area, it just doesn't It doesn't budge. So the

1134
01:07:11,440 --> 01:07:16,480
Speaker 5: biggest thing, the biggest breakthrough I should say, in in

1135
01:07:16,640 --> 01:07:18,840
Speaker 5: steel shot and the ability to shoot steel shots through

1136
01:07:18,880 --> 01:07:22,320
Speaker 5: your shotguns was the introduction of choke tubes. The most

1137
01:07:22,400 --> 01:07:25,800
Speaker 5: choke tubes started to become standard in probably in the

1138
01:07:26,160 --> 01:07:28,320
Speaker 5: mid to late eighties. And what that is for people

1139
01:07:28,400 --> 01:07:31,440
Speaker 5: that don't understand, is the choke is the very end

1140
01:07:31,480 --> 01:07:34,560
Speaker 5: of the shotgun that controls how quickly the shot spreads out,

1141
01:07:35,160 --> 01:07:39,840
Speaker 5: and again sometime in the late eighties, manufacturers started putting

1142
01:07:39,880 --> 01:07:43,720
Speaker 5: a removable choke in allowing you to open that up.

1143
01:07:43,920 --> 01:07:46,840
Speaker 5: So if these old shotgun barrels are the ones that

1144
01:07:46,920 --> 01:07:49,240
Speaker 5: are in real danger of being damaged, that have what

1145
01:07:49,320 --> 01:07:51,880
Speaker 5: they call a full choke or the tighter chokes, and

1146
01:07:52,000 --> 01:07:54,360
Speaker 5: that's where where the big problems in my opinion come

1147
01:07:54,440 --> 01:07:59,040
Speaker 5: in quality of steel. You know, like say the companies

1148
01:07:59,080 --> 01:08:02,120
Speaker 5: like Browning, I'll say, don't shoot steel shot through anything

1149
01:08:02,160 --> 01:08:04,080
Speaker 5: that's made in Belgium. Well they quit make them in

1150
01:08:04,120 --> 01:08:07,400
Speaker 5: Belgium and probably the early seventies. So that's if that

1151
01:08:07,480 --> 01:08:10,040
Speaker 5: answers your question, I would I would put more emphasis

1152
01:08:10,120 --> 01:08:12,360
Speaker 5: on the choke than on the quality of the steel

1153
01:08:12,440 --> 01:08:13,360
Speaker 5: for steel shot.

1154
01:08:13,840 --> 01:08:18,439
Speaker 4: So if you shoot steel through a full choke on

1155
01:08:19,479 --> 01:08:24,000
Speaker 4: the choke sleeve, it will that blow that full out.

1156
01:08:25,439 --> 01:08:26,360
Speaker 3: Usually what it does.

1157
01:08:26,680 --> 01:08:28,240
Speaker 5: Sometimes you can get away with it for a certain

1158
01:08:28,280 --> 01:08:29,800
Speaker 5: one of time. I get people all the time who

1159
01:08:30,000 --> 01:08:31,680
Speaker 5: oh yeah, I do it. I do it all the time.

1160
01:08:31,680 --> 01:08:35,000
Speaker 5: I've never had a problem. And my my reply to

1161
01:08:35,040 --> 01:08:37,880
Speaker 5: that is, well you will. And what happens usually is

1162
01:08:37,960 --> 01:08:41,320
Speaker 5: it'll it'll bulge. And if in the case of a

1163
01:08:41,560 --> 01:08:42,639
Speaker 5: removable choke tube.

1164
01:08:42,640 --> 01:08:43,639
Speaker 3: If you shoot steel.

1165
01:08:43,439 --> 01:08:46,160
Speaker 5: Shot through that full, it'll lock it in place, and

1166
01:08:46,200 --> 01:08:49,160
Speaker 5: now you've got a fixed full choke essentially that you

1167
01:08:49,200 --> 01:08:51,240
Speaker 5: can you can't get it out anymore because it's a bulge.

1168
01:08:51,360 --> 01:08:54,479
Speaker 5: In the case of a barrel that doesn't have choke tubes,

1169
01:08:54,800 --> 01:08:56,799
Speaker 5: usually what I see is you'll get a small bulge

1170
01:08:56,840 --> 01:09:00,400
Speaker 5: in the barrel right behind the choke, and and there's

1171
01:09:00,640 --> 01:09:03,280
Speaker 5: your barrel's not necessarily ruined, but kind.

1172
01:09:03,120 --> 01:09:06,360
Speaker 4: Of can if that happens to somebody. Can you get

1173
01:09:06,439 --> 01:09:11,360
Speaker 4: that choke to about a gunsmith M fifty fifty.

1174
01:09:12,120 --> 01:09:15,600
Speaker 5: Yeah, you can, but not always. Sometimes they're just in

1175
01:09:15,720 --> 01:09:18,040
Speaker 5: there for life. I had one last week that I

1176
01:09:18,080 --> 01:09:20,160
Speaker 5: thought was going to be really easy, and what I

1177
01:09:20,240 --> 01:09:22,840
Speaker 5: ended up doing was I happened to have the correct

1178
01:09:22,880 --> 01:09:26,479
Speaker 5: tooling to install the choke style that came in, so

1179
01:09:26,560 --> 01:09:29,240
Speaker 5: I was able just to basically machine adult and retap it.

1180
01:09:29,800 --> 01:09:32,240
Speaker 5: We got lucky. But yeah, sometimes they're just in there

1181
01:09:32,280 --> 01:09:32,639
Speaker 5: for life.

1182
01:09:32,840 --> 01:09:36,920
Speaker 4: We'll be darn interesting, Okay. Our guest is Stu Austin

1183
01:09:37,080 --> 01:09:40,920
Speaker 4: from Iron Horse Trading Company at Albany. Once upon a

1184
01:09:41,040 --> 01:09:44,960
Speaker 4: time there was polychokes. I think Winchester made it where

1185
01:09:45,000 --> 01:09:47,720
Speaker 4: you could just twist it and it would change the

1186
01:09:48,160 --> 01:09:53,360
Speaker 4: choke diameter. And I don't think that exists at all anymore.

1187
01:09:53,840 --> 01:09:58,120
Speaker 4: It's just, you know, you could interchangeable chokes. Why why

1188
01:09:58,280 --> 01:10:01,599
Speaker 4: isn't it capable or why why have we gone away

1189
01:10:01,720 --> 01:10:06,680
Speaker 4: from that super convenient twist and you go from you know,

1190
01:10:07,200 --> 01:10:11,160
Speaker 4: improved to modify to fully what why does it have

1191
01:10:11,280 --> 01:10:14,320
Speaker 4: to be locked as opposed to a real convenient twist?

1192
01:10:16,000 --> 01:10:21,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, we call those the dial a ducky I think, honestly, Bob,

1193
01:10:22,000 --> 01:10:23,439
Speaker 5: I think the reason why they went away with that

1194
01:10:23,520 --> 01:10:26,720
Speaker 5: is because they're ugly. You hear people going, I got

1195
01:10:26,800 --> 01:10:29,600
Speaker 5: that pickle on the end of my garn and I

1196
01:10:29,680 --> 01:10:33,360
Speaker 5: think that that was the big deterrent for those polychokes,

1197
01:10:33,360 --> 01:10:36,160
Speaker 5: because they weren't. I mean, and it's spring steel. Basically,

1198
01:10:36,200 --> 01:10:38,360
Speaker 5: it's a it's a call it if you know what

1199
01:10:38,479 --> 01:10:41,160
Speaker 5: a call it is. And it's just a series of pedals,

1200
01:10:41,400 --> 01:10:45,600
Speaker 5: spring loaded pedals that as you as you dial that

1201
01:10:45,680 --> 01:10:48,200
Speaker 5: thing down, it constricts those petals. They work. I think

1202
01:10:48,200 --> 01:10:51,800
Speaker 5: they work pretty darn good, but they're just ugly. It's

1203
01:10:51,840 --> 01:10:53,760
Speaker 5: the only only thing I probably.

1204
01:10:55,280 --> 01:10:56,000
Speaker 4: They really are.

1205
01:10:58,160 --> 01:11:03,720
Speaker 2: Change a little bit stupid because the muzzle order is

1206
01:11:04,160 --> 01:11:06,759
Speaker 2: a whole different critter, I believe.

1207
01:11:07,040 --> 01:11:10,880
Speaker 4: As far as taking care of a firearm compared to.

1208
01:11:12,960 --> 01:11:18,519
Speaker 2: My browning, you know something automatic, it's a totally different deal,

1209
01:11:18,640 --> 01:11:18,920
Speaker 2: isn't it.

1210
01:11:19,000 --> 01:11:21,320
Speaker 4: As far as caring caring for it.

1211
01:11:22,400 --> 01:11:24,920
Speaker 5: It is, you know, I always tell people times of

1212
01:11:25,160 --> 01:11:29,080
Speaker 5: essence with those things. And propellants have come a long

1213
01:11:29,120 --> 01:11:30,920
Speaker 5: ways in the last you know.

1214
01:11:31,120 --> 01:11:31,800
Speaker 3: Thirty years.

1215
01:11:32,640 --> 01:11:36,560
Speaker 5: Everybody used to shoot black powder, which is very corrosive,

1216
01:11:37,000 --> 01:11:40,200
Speaker 5: very dirty. Now there's other products on the market. They're

1217
01:11:40,200 --> 01:11:43,600
Speaker 5: all better. I mean, they're not more flammable, there's but

1218
01:11:44,040 --> 01:11:48,400
Speaker 5: they're they're cleaner and less corrosive, but they're all Everything

1219
01:11:48,479 --> 01:11:52,479
Speaker 5: that's on the market that I've seen is still more

1220
01:11:52,560 --> 01:11:56,840
Speaker 5: corrosive than smokeless powder, which is what your cartridges are

1221
01:11:56,880 --> 01:12:02,080
Speaker 5: loaded with today. And it's just really important that actually

1222
01:12:02,160 --> 01:12:04,000
Speaker 5: fire those things, even if you only shot them once.

1223
01:12:04,680 --> 01:12:07,040
Speaker 5: To get them, get them cleaned, pull the breech plug

1224
01:12:07,120 --> 01:12:08,439
Speaker 5: out and scrib them out.

1225
01:12:08,280 --> 01:12:08,920
Speaker 3: As good as you can.

1226
01:12:09,000 --> 01:12:11,760
Speaker 5: You can usually get away with using just your your

1227
01:12:12,400 --> 01:12:15,000
Speaker 5: common whatever you use to clean your other guns, but

1228
01:12:15,479 --> 01:12:17,640
Speaker 5: you gotta get them clean fast or they'll they'll go

1229
01:12:17,920 --> 01:12:18,599
Speaker 5: they'll decline.

1230
01:12:19,600 --> 01:12:21,880
Speaker 4: Well, you have to clean it the same day.

1231
01:12:22,400 --> 01:12:25,759
Speaker 2: Or before it's done again, before you shoot me, before

1232
01:12:25,800 --> 01:12:26,519
Speaker 2: it's shot again.

1233
01:12:28,200 --> 01:12:30,800
Speaker 5: If if you're gonna, if you're gonna store it, I

1234
01:12:30,840 --> 01:12:33,280
Speaker 5: would do it the same day. Uh, if you're gonna

1235
01:12:33,800 --> 01:12:36,080
Speaker 5: you know, if you're going out hunting and you're the

1236
01:12:36,120 --> 01:12:37,920
Speaker 5: type of person that likes to fire their gun at

1237
01:12:38,200 --> 01:12:39,080
Speaker 5: you know at the end of the day.

1238
01:12:39,200 --> 01:12:40,920
Speaker 3: I don't. I don't do that. But a lot of

1239
01:12:40,960 --> 01:12:41,280
Speaker 3: people do.

1240
01:12:41,400 --> 01:12:44,080
Speaker 5: They think that, Well, you know, that powder could get

1241
01:12:45,000 --> 01:12:48,439
Speaker 5: damp or something. Some people shoot them every night. You know,

1242
01:12:48,760 --> 01:12:50,400
Speaker 5: you could probably get away with that for a couple

1243
01:12:50,400 --> 01:12:53,160
Speaker 5: of days. But and it's especially going in and out

1244
01:12:53,280 --> 01:12:56,080
Speaker 5: during the muzzle oder season. It's cold outside, warm inside.

1245
01:12:56,960 --> 01:12:59,760
Speaker 5: I clean them after after every time you use it

1246
01:12:59,840 --> 01:13:01,160
Speaker 5: a I'm going to sit more in a day, I

1247
01:13:01,280 --> 01:13:01,560
Speaker 5: clean it.

1248
01:13:02,760 --> 01:13:05,760
Speaker 2: So if it has that powder in it, do you

1249
01:13:05,960 --> 01:13:08,000
Speaker 2: have to fire it or can you get the powder?

1250
01:13:08,160 --> 01:13:10,479
Speaker 2: Can the I don't know because I've never done this.

1251
01:13:10,600 --> 01:13:12,840
Speaker 2: That's why I'm asking can you take the powder out

1252
01:13:12,880 --> 01:13:13,160
Speaker 2: of them?

1253
01:13:14,520 --> 01:13:17,640
Speaker 5: You can take the powder out most Uh, most of

1254
01:13:17,680 --> 01:13:21,160
Speaker 5: your muscleloaders now have a removable breach plug, So, in

1255
01:13:21,240 --> 01:13:26,200
Speaker 5: other words, the solid rear end of the barrel is

1256
01:13:26,960 --> 01:13:29,880
Speaker 5: plugged with a threaded insert. You can take that out

1257
01:13:29,960 --> 01:13:31,720
Speaker 5: and just push the load right out the back and

1258
01:13:31,760 --> 01:13:34,160
Speaker 5: then then you then cleaning's easy. You know you haven't

1259
01:13:34,360 --> 01:13:36,080
Speaker 5: you haven't followed the barrel up. You can just give

1260
01:13:36,080 --> 01:13:37,599
Speaker 5: it a quick scrub and you're done for the year.

1261
01:13:37,800 --> 01:13:40,240
Speaker 4: Excellent. All right. One last question that we got to

1262
01:13:40,320 --> 01:13:40,640
Speaker 4: let you go.

1263
01:13:40,840 --> 01:13:45,639
Speaker 2: But with people storing their firearms now unless they're gonna

1264
01:13:45,680 --> 01:13:47,800
Speaker 2: hunt turkeys, even if you're gonna hunt turkeys, there's a

1265
01:13:47,840 --> 01:13:52,600
Speaker 2: ways away yet unfortunately, but what should you should you

1266
01:13:52,680 --> 01:13:55,560
Speaker 2: do anything special to store your firearms.

1267
01:13:57,600 --> 01:13:59,160
Speaker 5: You know, it's a good idea to wipe them down

1268
01:13:59,240 --> 01:14:01,960
Speaker 5: with with some of a good metal protect and there's

1269
01:14:02,000 --> 01:14:03,720
Speaker 5: a lot of good ones on the market. Anything that's

1270
01:14:03,800 --> 01:14:07,160
Speaker 5: labeled c LP Clean Lubricate Protect. I'd wipe down the

1271
01:14:07,200 --> 01:14:10,080
Speaker 5: exterior with that. Maybe a pull something through the boar

1272
01:14:10,160 --> 01:14:14,600
Speaker 5: that's going to leave a little film of oil or

1273
01:14:14,640 --> 01:14:18,719
Speaker 5: protected down the barrel. Aside from that, you know, if

1274
01:14:18,760 --> 01:14:20,920
Speaker 5: they look if they look bad, if you go, oh,

1275
01:14:20,960 --> 01:14:23,080
Speaker 5: g you suys, it's been a long year and now

1276
01:14:23,200 --> 01:14:24,560
Speaker 5: is a super time to get them in and have

1277
01:14:24,640 --> 01:14:27,719
Speaker 5: them have them cleaned up or serviced or maintained. Because

1278
01:14:28,880 --> 01:14:30,640
Speaker 5: we got a little bit of breathing room between now

1279
01:14:30,720 --> 01:14:32,920
Speaker 5: in the next season. But other than that, yeah, I

1280
01:14:33,000 --> 01:14:35,679
Speaker 5: keep them wipe down. Rust is our biggest enemy.

1281
01:14:36,080 --> 01:14:39,880
Speaker 2: And you have a number of used firearms, and new

1282
01:14:40,000 --> 01:14:43,120
Speaker 2: firearms are a specialty of yours too, are they not.

1283
01:14:44,360 --> 01:14:48,040
Speaker 5: We have a great inventory of of both new and used.

1284
01:14:48,560 --> 01:14:52,519
Speaker 5: We pride ourselves on having arguably the best inventory of

1285
01:14:52,640 --> 01:14:57,680
Speaker 5: used guns in the area. And we pride ourselves on

1286
01:14:57,760 --> 01:14:59,920
Speaker 5: that because it kind of brings people in every day

1287
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:01,320
Speaker 5: to see what may have walked in the door.

1288
01:15:01,439 --> 01:15:02,160
Speaker 4: So yeah, our.

1289
01:15:02,080 --> 01:15:05,520
Speaker 5: Inventory is really good right now. Rifles, pistol, shotguns, even muzzleloaders.

1290
01:15:05,600 --> 01:15:06,400
Speaker 5: We've got a lot of them.

1291
01:15:07,160 --> 01:15:14,120
Speaker 4: Muzzleloaders to do you in the market maybe, Yeah, Thank you, buddy.

1292
01:15:14,160 --> 01:15:17,679
Speaker 2: I appreciate you to making time to join us Iron

1293
01:15:17,760 --> 01:15:23,480
Speaker 2: Horse Trading Company and Gunsmithing in Albany, Minnesota.

1294
01:15:24,320 --> 01:15:26,639
Speaker 4: And it's right off the main drag, isn't it, Stu.

1295
01:15:27,640 --> 01:15:31,200
Speaker 5: It is right to a one railroad avenue where excuse me,

1296
01:15:31,280 --> 01:15:33,280
Speaker 5: right across the road from that big beautiful church that

1297
01:15:33,360 --> 01:15:34,360
Speaker 5: you can see from the highway.

1298
01:15:34,600 --> 01:15:36,880
Speaker 4: Wonderful. Thank you, sir, have a great weekend.

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01:15:37,640 --> 01:15:38,320
Speaker 5: Thanks for having me.

1300
01:15:38,560 --> 01:15:42,599
Speaker 4: You've been here, guys. Stu Austin really really a nice guy.

1301
01:15:42,960 --> 01:15:47,479
Speaker 4: And they have pink BB guns. I bought Jack a

1302
01:15:47,600 --> 01:15:50,160
Speaker 4: red Rider and they have pink red riders too. I

1303
01:15:50,320 --> 01:15:53,519
Speaker 4: just told Stu will be in because my granddaughter is

1304
01:15:54,840 --> 01:15:58,720
Speaker 4: getting to the point, not there yet but where she

1305
01:15:58,920 --> 01:16:01,680
Speaker 4: will be shooting, and to go pink for her.

1306
01:16:01,880 --> 01:16:06,200
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, yeah, and then they've each got one. They're

1307
01:16:06,240 --> 01:16:08,800
Speaker 2: not that expensive. It's not like buying a brand new

1308
01:16:08,880 --> 01:16:10,080
Speaker 2: shotgun like.

1309
01:16:10,120 --> 01:16:13,479
Speaker 4: A Sweet sixteen. Yeah, how many of those have you bought? Two?

1310
01:16:16,360 --> 01:16:19,240
Speaker 4: Also a twenty gage? That's right? And yeah, that's right,

1311
01:16:19,240 --> 01:16:21,680
Speaker 4: because you bought a story for Chad, right, yeah, and

1312
01:16:21,760 --> 01:16:26,479
Speaker 4: then what did you buy for Eric Benelli?

1313
01:16:27,160 --> 01:16:27,360
Speaker 5: Yeah?

1314
01:16:27,400 --> 01:16:29,439
Speaker 4: I think so, Yeah, I think so. That was a

1315
01:16:29,439 --> 01:16:33,360
Speaker 4: long time ago now. But anyway, we will take our

1316
01:16:33,439 --> 01:16:36,040
Speaker 4: final pause of the morning and be back with more

1317
01:16:36,200 --> 01:16:58,160
Speaker 4: right after this football last segment Fan out Doors for

1318
01:16:58,560 --> 01:17:04,600
Speaker 4: this Saturday morning. One of the things I think that

1319
01:17:04,920 --> 01:17:06,200
Speaker 4: it came I was reading.

1320
01:17:06,000 --> 01:17:08,280
Speaker 2: Outdoor News this last week and one of the articles

1321
01:17:08,360 --> 01:17:14,520
Speaker 2: caught my eye, and it's the title is Outdoor Technology.

1322
01:17:15,280 --> 01:17:21,040
Speaker 2: As Outdoor Technology Advances, Department National Resources deals with a

1323
01:17:21,120 --> 01:17:28,360
Speaker 2: lot of fair chase questions, and I think I can

1324
01:17:28,479 --> 01:17:32,919
Speaker 2: see that, and I really can. I read something online

1325
01:17:33,000 --> 01:17:38,040
Speaker 2: that from Meat Eater. There was just different clips and

1326
01:17:38,160 --> 01:17:40,960
Speaker 2: snippets about different things around the country, and one of

1327
01:17:41,000 --> 01:17:44,320
Speaker 2: the ones that caught my eye is that the poachers

1328
01:17:44,840 --> 01:17:51,559
Speaker 2: were caught and they were sent to trial and lost.

1329
01:17:52,400 --> 01:17:55,000
Speaker 4: And it was not in Minnesota. It was in another state.

1330
01:17:56,200 --> 01:18:00,280
Speaker 4: But what they were doing was using drones and they

1331
01:18:00,360 --> 01:18:04,000
Speaker 4: had a big buck and people noticed it flying or

1332
01:18:04,240 --> 01:18:08,000
Speaker 4: this drone flying around, and hunters especially noticed it was.

1333
01:18:08,040 --> 01:18:12,439
Speaker 2: Going it was hanging around an area. Well, it turns

1334
01:18:12,479 --> 01:18:15,120
Speaker 2: out what a couple of people. I'm not going to

1335
01:18:15,160 --> 01:18:19,160
Speaker 2: call them hunters because that's not hunting. What they were

1336
01:18:19,200 --> 01:18:23,600
Speaker 2: doing was keeping track of a large antlered buck and

1337
01:18:23,720 --> 01:18:26,639
Speaker 2: when the buck went into a thicket to lay down,

1338
01:18:26,920 --> 01:18:30,240
Speaker 2: they knew where it was and went in and drove

1339
01:18:30,360 --> 01:18:35,360
Speaker 2: the thicket, pushed the animal out, and shot it. Well,

1340
01:18:35,920 --> 01:18:39,000
Speaker 2: there is something Minnesota has on the laws. You can't

1341
01:18:39,200 --> 01:18:41,280
Speaker 2: use technology to.

1342
01:18:44,000 --> 01:18:45,799
Speaker 4: Are a limit.

1343
01:18:46,160 --> 01:18:48,400
Speaker 2: Basically, I don't know what the wording is exactly, but

1344
01:18:48,520 --> 01:18:53,840
Speaker 2: you can't use technology to take fair chase away. And

1345
01:18:54,400 --> 01:18:57,679
Speaker 2: the same is said, and I don't think it's really

1346
01:18:57,800 --> 01:19:01,040
Speaker 2: the same thing with a forward facing soul. I don't

1347
01:19:01,080 --> 01:19:04,840
Speaker 2: think because you don't it's not like shooting it dead

1348
01:19:05,920 --> 01:19:08,240
Speaker 2: with a forward facing cyinar, you don't shoot a fish

1349
01:19:08,320 --> 01:19:10,760
Speaker 2: dead still the fish has to bite.

1350
01:19:11,479 --> 01:19:12,639
Speaker 4: But it is a change.

1351
01:19:13,400 --> 01:19:16,600
Speaker 2: But there are a lot of changes that we've survived

1352
01:19:17,880 --> 01:19:23,000
Speaker 2: in a lot of things. I remember when GPS came out,

1353
01:19:23,560 --> 01:19:26,800
Speaker 2: it was Lauren c and people were upset about that.

1354
01:19:27,600 --> 01:19:33,560
Speaker 4: I remember when the side imaging came out and the

1355
01:19:33,680 --> 01:19:36,519
Speaker 4: other people didn't have that, and I was sill enamored

1356
01:19:36,560 --> 01:19:38,360
Speaker 4: with it because you could see the boulders and the

1357
01:19:38,520 --> 01:19:42,040
Speaker 4: rocks way out and set a waypoint on my hummed

1358
01:19:42,080 --> 01:19:43,000
Speaker 4: bird electronics.

1359
01:19:44,280 --> 01:19:48,080
Speaker 2: And people were irritated about that. This is another form

1360
01:19:48,120 --> 01:19:51,920
Speaker 2: of technology. But really, the fish don't have a lot

1361
01:19:51,960 --> 01:19:55,639
Speaker 2: of place to hide anymore, and you thought that before too,

1362
01:19:55,960 --> 01:19:59,519
Speaker 2: and they still survive. But the DNR's job is to

1363
01:20:00,560 --> 01:20:03,760
Speaker 2: maintain fair chase and be sure that people are I

1364
01:20:03,760 --> 01:20:08,200
Speaker 2: don't care if it's critters, birds, fish, if you're going

1365
01:20:08,360 --> 01:20:14,280
Speaker 2: to be chasing that particular species, fair chase is important. Yeah,

1366
01:20:14,400 --> 01:20:17,920
Speaker 2: protecting the resources their mission, right, So that's their mission.

1367
01:20:19,320 --> 01:20:23,880
Speaker 2: The other thing that I am concerned about, and it's

1368
01:20:23,920 --> 01:20:27,320
Speaker 2: not just me, but I thought that we'll bring it

1369
01:20:27,439 --> 01:20:29,960
Speaker 2: up here on the show, But the Bounder waters canoe

1370
01:20:30,000 --> 01:20:35,200
Speaker 2: area is a gem unlike any other in this state

1371
01:20:35,400 --> 01:20:39,200
Speaker 2: or in this country, just a perfect, perfect gem.

1372
01:20:39,920 --> 01:20:42,960
Speaker 4: And there's lots of talk now.

1373
01:20:43,080 --> 01:20:47,240
Speaker 2: About rolling back protections and BWCA.

1374
01:20:48,800 --> 01:20:50,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's past the house all right now, I know.

1375
01:20:50,920 --> 01:20:54,519
Speaker 4: And that's hogwash. And the only way that we can

1376
01:20:54,800 --> 01:21:00,679
Speaker 4: stop that is for you and me and your neighbors

1377
01:21:00,920 --> 01:21:05,280
Speaker 4: and your friends to call your legislators and be incensed

1378
01:21:05,400 --> 01:21:08,320
Speaker 4: by that. Us senators is where it's at right now,

1379
01:21:08,680 --> 01:21:14,000
Speaker 4: and call and make your feelings known, because if we

1380
01:21:14,240 --> 01:21:19,120
Speaker 4: lose the BWSA, it will never come back. And you say, well,

1381
01:21:19,760 --> 01:21:23,040
Speaker 4: I've never been up there, Yeah, but that's BS two

1382
01:21:23,840 --> 01:21:26,800
Speaker 4: because most of the a lot of the clean water

1383
01:21:27,040 --> 01:21:31,080
Speaker 4: exists up there pollute that, and we have nothing left.

1384
01:21:31,880 --> 01:21:35,240
Speaker 4: And these politicians are going to come and they're going

1385
01:21:35,320 --> 01:21:38,559
Speaker 4: to go, and they are going to be totally forgotten with.

1386
01:21:38,960 --> 01:21:44,839
Speaker 2: If we ignore this right now, it's never going to change.

1387
01:21:45,000 --> 01:21:51,840
Speaker 2: It will be ruined for generations and generations and generations.

1388
01:21:52,760 --> 01:21:56,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, and it's beyond the boundary waters. Yeah, it's the

1389
01:21:56,880 --> 01:22:01,240
Speaker 4: entire Rainy River watershed. So it's the water is the

1390
01:22:01,400 --> 01:22:06,639
Speaker 4: Rainy River, it's voyagers, I mean it water flows right,

1391
01:22:07,320 --> 01:22:14,880
Speaker 4: and yeah, one one this accident, one spill, one seep

1392
01:22:15,720 --> 01:22:21,680
Speaker 4: of this mine destroys it all. And I've said this

1393
01:22:21,840 --> 01:22:25,439
Speaker 4: before with some other issues we've tackled here, people say

1394
01:22:25,520 --> 01:22:29,960
Speaker 4: they don't care. You gotta care. You just gotta care.

1395
01:22:30,800 --> 01:22:35,320
Speaker 4: And because it's our responsibility as we are on this

1396
01:22:35,479 --> 01:22:38,599
Speaker 4: earth right now to take care of it. But you've

1397
01:22:38,680 --> 01:22:42,519
Speaker 4: got to care. That's about the only thing I can

1398
01:22:42,640 --> 01:22:47,760
Speaker 4: say is that if we ignore this now, we who

1399
01:22:47,920 --> 01:22:51,880
Speaker 4: have the power to make a difference. We made a

1400
01:22:52,000 --> 01:22:55,040
Speaker 4: difference in Minnesota years a number of years ago when

1401
01:22:55,080 --> 01:22:59,040
Speaker 4: it came to public lands and some politicians were advocating

1402
01:23:00,400 --> 01:23:06,680
Speaker 4: them for profit. Yeah, last year, last summer, and you know,

1403
01:23:07,680 --> 01:23:12,280
Speaker 4: listeners and other people cared enough to make a difference

1404
01:23:12,880 --> 01:23:16,479
Speaker 4: and shut it down. We have an opportunity, we have

1405
01:23:16,560 --> 01:23:20,920
Speaker 4: a responsibility to do that again. We need to shut

1406
01:23:21,080 --> 01:23:25,960
Speaker 4: that discussion down. You can help with that if you

1407
01:23:26,200 --> 01:23:29,320
Speaker 4: choose to. It's a choice that each of us have

1408
01:23:29,520 --> 01:23:32,760
Speaker 4: had to make. It's a choice, and I hope you'll

1409
01:23:32,800 --> 01:23:34,320
Speaker 4: make it. I really really do.

1410
01:23:34,560 --> 01:23:38,920
Speaker 2: Because it's a marvelous place and if you haven't been there,

1411
01:23:39,560 --> 01:23:43,640
Speaker 2: make it a point to go see many Christmas. If

1412
01:23:43,640 --> 01:23:46,439
Speaker 2: you don't think you can do it, get a guide.

1413
01:23:47,360 --> 01:23:49,080
Speaker 2: You don't have to go far. We didn't go very

1414
01:23:49,160 --> 01:23:53,679
Speaker 2: far into it. We had an absolute last.

1415
01:23:54,320 --> 01:23:58,360
Speaker 4: We're only two weeks I think, two weeks ago. That

1416
01:23:58,520 --> 01:24:04,160
Speaker 4: permits for the twenty twenty sixth season open up. So yeah,

1417
01:24:04,240 --> 01:24:09,840
Speaker 4: it's a glorious place. I came home and bought a canoe. Yes,

1418
01:24:09,960 --> 01:24:12,640
Speaker 4: you did. That's how life all three it was. But

1419
01:24:12,760 --> 01:24:15,840
Speaker 4: that canoe hasn't gotten off of the rack since for

1420
01:24:15,880 --> 01:24:17,880
Speaker 4: a while. I had that big storm to come through.

1421
01:24:18,360 --> 01:24:21,240
Speaker 2: We got the dead side blew it back, and the

1422
01:24:21,320 --> 01:24:23,479
Speaker 2: wind blew so hard A blew a little thing back

1423
01:24:23,560 --> 01:24:24,320
Speaker 2: into the woods.

1424
01:24:24,520 --> 01:24:29,479
Speaker 4: Yeah, I can hardly lift that thing. Do you remember

1425
01:24:29,560 --> 01:24:30,400
Speaker 4: what lakes we were on.

1426
01:24:30,760 --> 01:24:32,560
Speaker 2: I remember we were on basswood, and we were on

1427
01:24:32,720 --> 01:24:35,479
Speaker 2: basswood yet, And I remember taking the canoe back and

1428
01:24:35,520 --> 01:24:37,599
Speaker 2: we had a motor on it. We stowed the motor

1429
01:24:37,640 --> 01:24:40,800
Speaker 2: before we went into the motor lost cashed it, yeah,

1430
01:24:41,160 --> 01:24:45,680
Speaker 2: cashed it. Yeah, But I taken that motor down there. Man,

1431
01:24:45,800 --> 01:24:48,000
Speaker 2: I My butt was pinched so tight.

1432
01:24:48,680 --> 01:24:51,000
Speaker 4: Oh, I felt every time I turned the handle a

1433
01:24:51,080 --> 01:24:52,760
Speaker 4: little bit, I thought it was going to slip out

1434
01:24:52,800 --> 01:24:58,840
Speaker 4: from under it. Oh it was. We didn't and Steve

1435
01:24:58,960 --> 01:25:02,559
Speaker 4: knew exactly what he was doing. We had great fish

1436
01:25:02,600 --> 01:25:05,759
Speaker 4: in that day. We did, and we went and actually

1437
01:25:05,920 --> 01:25:09,400
Speaker 4: dipped water out of the links. It was clean enough

1438
01:25:09,479 --> 01:25:11,559
Speaker 4: that we could drink it. And we're both still here.

1439
01:25:11,720 --> 01:25:12,880
Speaker 4: So it was okay.

1440
01:25:14,439 --> 01:25:14,880
Speaker 5: That day.

1441
01:25:15,200 --> 01:25:20,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, And it's just an.

1442
01:25:20,040 --> 01:25:24,320
Speaker 2: Incredible, incredible place that you will never find anything like it.

1443
01:25:24,640 --> 01:25:28,400
Speaker 4: I get through pheasant Fest six weekend, then I'll head

1444
01:25:28,439 --> 01:25:31,799
Speaker 4: to the Boundary Waters to go do some cross country skiing.

1445
01:25:32,400 --> 01:25:37,320
Speaker 4: No no photos for you though, No video, Oh, Ron,

1446
01:25:37,400 --> 01:25:40,040
Speaker 4: I'm trying. I'd love to see that. Man. If I

1447
01:25:40,080 --> 01:25:41,920
Speaker 4: can get a video, I'm gonna share it with you.

1448
01:25:42,960 --> 01:25:47,479
Speaker 4: You like the the yard sale, When I fall, that's

1449
01:25:47,560 --> 01:25:49,160
Speaker 4: not a good thing when you're in the middle of

1450
01:25:50,280 --> 01:25:53,360
Speaker 4: things you do when you do something goofy like that

1451
01:25:53,760 --> 01:25:58,280
Speaker 4: got your line and my oh yeah, yeah, you're the

1452
01:25:58,320 --> 01:26:01,400
Speaker 4: biggest fish in your life. Yeah, you're a rask All.

1453
01:26:02,560 --> 01:26:06,200
Speaker 4: I had tears coming down my cheeks. I couldn't stop.

1454
01:26:07,280 --> 01:26:13,280
Speaker 4: You were just reeling away. It's okay to have be

1455
01:26:13,439 --> 01:26:15,840
Speaker 4: excitable in the outdoors. It is okay.

1456
01:26:16,120 --> 01:26:20,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, sure you are excited. When the weekend when Chad

1457
01:26:20,280 --> 01:26:21,519
Speaker 2: and I are standing, oh.

1458
01:26:21,520 --> 01:26:24,519
Speaker 4: My godness, I was wondering if we hadn't reached the

1459
01:26:24,600 --> 01:26:29,240
Speaker 4: quota of talking about me missing That was incredible. If

1460
01:26:29,320 --> 01:26:32,240
Speaker 4: Chad is listening, he'll be chuckling right on down.

1461
01:26:32,479 --> 01:26:32,639
Speaker 3: Man.

1462
01:26:34,000 --> 01:26:36,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, he don't get everything you shoot at.

1463
01:26:37,080 --> 01:26:41,400
Speaker 2: I had another friend from from my work that I

1464
01:26:41,520 --> 01:26:44,840
Speaker 2: watched him miss and he came back across. We were

1465
01:26:44,880 --> 01:26:48,800
Speaker 2: out west of the tower that doesn't exist anymore, and

1466
01:26:49,800 --> 01:26:52,120
Speaker 2: he had missed a pheasant big, just as big as you.

1467
01:26:52,240 --> 01:26:55,280
Speaker 4: But he missed it three times. And he came back

1468
01:26:55,400 --> 01:26:57,519
Speaker 4: and I saw him kicking his hat.

1469
01:26:58,920 --> 01:27:00,800
Speaker 2: He threw his hat in the ground. He was kicking

1470
01:27:00,840 --> 01:27:03,600
Speaker 2: it on the way back. He was so frustrated and

1471
01:27:03,720 --> 01:27:06,599
Speaker 2: upset with himself. I don't know if he's still even

1472
01:27:06,680 --> 01:27:07,360
Speaker 2: with us, but.

1473
01:27:08,840 --> 01:27:11,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was. It was a good time, a good time.

1474
01:27:11,680 --> 01:27:14,839
Speaker 4: You've talked about being anxious for a spring turkey season.

1475
01:27:15,400 --> 01:27:19,160
Speaker 4: Are you have you decided which season you're gonna hunt

1476
01:27:19,360 --> 01:27:22,200
Speaker 4: or you're the retired guy, so you're gonna hunt whenever

1477
01:27:22,280 --> 01:27:23,080
Speaker 4: the weather tells you.

1478
01:27:23,280 --> 01:27:26,800
Speaker 2: I don't buy my license until about two days before. Yeah,

1479
01:27:27,400 --> 01:27:29,400
Speaker 2: and Minnesota, you can do that, you know. And it's

1480
01:27:29,439 --> 01:27:31,880
Speaker 2: not a lottery. I say yesterday was the end of

1481
01:27:31,920 --> 01:27:35,040
Speaker 2: the lottery for the wildlife. The three areas that.

1482
01:27:35,120 --> 01:27:39,760
Speaker 4: Our lottery permits, Whitewater and Carlos and Malax. Yeah.

1483
01:27:40,479 --> 01:27:40,800
Speaker 6: No, I.

1484
01:27:42,320 --> 01:27:46,960
Speaker 2: There's enough turkeys around that weather is my deciding fact.

1485
01:27:47,439 --> 01:27:49,680
Speaker 2: The rest of us have calendars that we have to

1486
01:27:49,760 --> 01:27:53,040
Speaker 2: work work around. So I put in yesterday for my

1487
01:27:53,640 --> 01:27:55,800
Speaker 2: my time off. Oh you did, I did.

1488
01:27:55,920 --> 01:28:01,240
Speaker 4: I'm going season a ah in for my time off

1489
01:28:01,280 --> 01:28:06,400
Speaker 4: to It's very very flexible, it is, and I.

1490
01:28:06,520 --> 01:28:10,599
Speaker 2: Want to see where things are. But I mostly mostly

1491
01:28:10,800 --> 01:28:15,280
Speaker 2: really want it to be warm. And I'm not I'm

1492
01:28:15,360 --> 01:28:17,160
Speaker 2: not about hunting turkeys in the rain.

1493
01:28:18,200 --> 01:28:18,240
Speaker 6: No.

1494
01:28:18,920 --> 01:28:22,000
Speaker 2: No, the music is playing, which means it's time to

1495
01:28:22,080 --> 01:28:25,519
Speaker 2: say give our thank yous to our guests and to

1496
01:28:26,400 --> 01:28:29,880
Speaker 2: a very important person too. But I want to say

1497
01:28:29,960 --> 01:28:33,880
Speaker 2: thank you to Tommy George for joining us pro angler

1498
01:28:34,000 --> 01:28:37,720
Speaker 2: Tommy George, to Ron Leathers, biologists of Pheasants Forever, who

1499
01:28:37,720 --> 01:28:41,679
Speaker 2: will be down at pheasant Fest next weekend on Saturday,

1500
01:28:42,040 --> 01:28:45,040
Speaker 2: and so we and so will we. We'll be broadcasting

1501
01:28:45,160 --> 01:28:47,479
Speaker 2: live down there next Saturday at one o'clock in the

1502
01:28:47,600 --> 01:28:50,400
Speaker 2: afternoon for a couple of hours. And I would say

1503
01:28:50,439 --> 01:28:54,759
Speaker 2: thank you to ste Austin from Iron Horse Trading Company

1504
01:28:55,240 --> 01:28:59,519
Speaker 2: and Gunsmithing in Albany, Minnesota for joining us. Thank you

1505
01:28:59,720 --> 01:29:01,840
Speaker 2: for allowing us to travel with you this morning.

1506
01:29:02,479 --> 01:29:05,600
Speaker 4: Enjoy the weekend, but thank you especially to our executive

1507
01:29:05,640 --> 01:29:10,040
Speaker 4: producer Brett Blakemore, Bob, Saint Pierre and me next week,

1508
01:29:10,240 --> 01:29:10,679
Speaker 4: Tata