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Speaker 2: It is a victory Monday edition of The Tony and

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Speaker 2: Mom Football Show. We are broadcasting from Twin Peaks in Westchester.

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Speaker 2: We're back in Westchester next week in Florence. In two weeks,

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Speaker 2: Moegar with Tony Pike. The Monday after the Bengals Thanksgiving

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Speaker 2: Night victory over the Baltimore Ravens, a win that opens

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Speaker 2: the door slightly, just a little bit for the Bengals

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Speaker 2: to win the AFC North Crown. We are here till

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Speaker 2: football game tonight. If you're thinking ahead to Sunday, Bengals

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Speaker 2: College Football Conference championship games, Ohio State and Indiana Friday Night,

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Speaker 2: Friday Night, the Skyline Chili Crosstown Shootouts.

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna lock myself in my basement and throw the

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Speaker 4: You will not be a Twin Peaks for that. I'm

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Speaker 3: You know I'm not offering. I'm not turning the game on.

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Speaker 3: I'm not gonna watch TV's off, phones off, I'm lockdown.

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Speaker 4: Will you wait for a text?

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Speaker 3: No? Not on what I've seen this song and dance.

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Speaker 4: Just go to bed on Friday, wake up on Saturday

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Speaker 3: I'm so darn thankful for the Bengals today. I know

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Speaker 3: Thanksgiving us past, but my mood on Wednesday night last week,

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Speaker 3: Thank goodness for the Cincinnati Bengals in a game mohe

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Speaker 3: it feels like was played two weeks.

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Speaker 4: Ago, it does.

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Speaker 3: It just feels like it was forever ago.

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Speaker 2: Well, a lot has happened just in football since right

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Speaker 2: a Black Friday game. You had an awesome Week thirteen

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Speaker 2: to the NFL. Yesterday, you had all the college football games,

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Speaker 2: had the Lane kiff and stuff like Mark Stoop's getting fired,

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Speaker 2: Ohio State, Michigan, you see TCU. There's been so much

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Speaker 2: kid coming back to oh Yeah, Bengals Ravens won that game.

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Speaker 3: It felt weird talking about it earlier today. Yeah, it

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Speaker 3: through watching parts of the game, looking up different things.

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Speaker 3: What a what a cool way to end Thanksgiving night though, Yeah, Like,

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Speaker 3: But man, it was it was a great second half.

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Speaker 3: I thought it was a great team win offense, defense,

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Speaker 3: it just felt felt good to see Joe Burrow playing.

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Speaker 4: Was it nuts about that?

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Speaker 3: But I thought I thought it was a team win.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Like, I thought about that a lot on Friday morning.

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Speaker 3: For that guy so good? And like, I think it

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Speaker 3: But what I liked the most he was only sacked once,

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Speaker 3: I thought mentally he was as sharp as we've seen him,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he was at times uneven, he at times missthrows.

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Speaker 2: If that's as bad as it is for Joe Burrow

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Speaker 2: moving forward, look out. You know, I thought of his

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Speaker 4: He threw at sixty one times. That's not the recipe.

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Speaker 3: He was on pace for that at halftime thirty two.

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Speaker 2: And so I'm watching on on Thursday and Thanksgiving night, going, Okay,

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Speaker 3: And I thought, I thought a couple things, and I

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Speaker 3: thought the offensive line performed well, Chase Brown again over

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Speaker 3: outside of that, we don't talk, and we haven't talked

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Speaker 3: enough about how how improved the old line has been getting.

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Speaker 3: You know, Austin mentioned today we aren't talking about Marius Mims.

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Speaker 3: the ball was just complete.

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Speaker 2: Zach Taylor is going to talk here in just a bit.

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Speaker 2: We're going to carry that for you in the five

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Speaker 2: If there's anything significant that comes from that, we'll certainly

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Speaker 2: talk about the defense. Yeah, Joseph Osaigh I thought was terrific.

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Speaker 3: Murphy stacked him. Now he stacked them good games.

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Speaker 4: Like, Okay, it's taken longer than it should have, but

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Now nobody is saying, hey, sign the guy long term.

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Speaker 4: Nobody is saying, hey, Tobin got it right.

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Speaker 2: But the last few games, starting with Pittsburgh, he has

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Speaker 4: Like we could talk about how good DJ Turner has been,

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Speaker 4: the defense as well. Up front. Give me a disruptor, yep.

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Speaker 4: Miles Murphy the last three games has been a disruptor.

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Speaker 3: He's been a disruptor. And I mean the stat line

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Speaker 3: alone from Osai two sacks, two tackles for lost, four

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Speaker 3: Is as impressive it can get I got. I had

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Speaker 3: a caller today and I wonder if there's anything to this.

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Speaker 3: Shamar Stewart's been ruled out pretty quickly. Is there something

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Speaker 3: Shamar's healthy, if Trey's healthy, you're just subbing all the time.

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Speaker 3: Right now, Osai and Miles Murphy know that they're getting

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Speaker 3: most out of your reps that you're going to get.

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Speaker 3: You're not gonna get pooled if you have a bad

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Speaker 3: and they're both playing well.

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Speaker 2: And I wonder if there's also something about the preparation.

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Speaker 2: And as much as it fell short last year, number

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Speaker 2: nine is healthy.

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Speaker 4: You saw what they did at the end of the

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Speaker 4: season last year.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Now, okay, maybe Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson weren't on

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Speaker 2: last year's schedule late. And again, man, going to Buffalo

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Speaker 2: and winning is gonna be not easy, And beating the

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Speaker 2: Ravens for a second time in sixteen seventeen days is

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Speaker 2: not going to be easy.

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Speaker 4: I just I look at it from.

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Speaker 2: The perspective of Pittsburgh or Baltimore and I go, we

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Speaker 2: could have buried that team. And when you when you

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Speaker 2: don't put a team away right when you don't when

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Speaker 2: you when you don't step on their throat, do some

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Speaker 2: teams have a tendency to kind of make you pay

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Speaker 2: for it.

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Speaker 4: Yes, and I hope the Bengals can do it. I

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Speaker 4: would be fearful that they will. If I root for

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Speaker 4: you all.

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Speaker 3: I love the fact that we're released in the conversation

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Speaker 3: of let's roll it out there this week and see

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Speaker 3: what happens, because right now, that's that's what's allowed. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: if they don't win on Thursday night, now we're talking

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Speaker 3: about today, what are we talking about? Yeah? You do

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Speaker 3: you even play borrow anymore? What do you do? Now?

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Speaker 3: It's okay, go win this week, right, and then we

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Speaker 3: get together next week. Now you got Baltimore coming in

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Speaker 3: all right? Like that, that's how this has to work.

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Speaker 3: And until that gets derailed, then you you'd have a shot.

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Speaker 3: And that's something you can get excited about.

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Speaker 2: Twenty six From four o'clock, we're in Twin Peaks in Westchester.

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Speaker 2: It's the Tony and Mo Football Show, Sports headlines and more.

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Speaker 5: Report Jack and He plays here on ESPN fifteen thirty.

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Speaker 3: We're already at the point now We've got Miles Murphy

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Speaker 3: and Joseph Osa. We don't need Hedrickson.

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Speaker 4: It's right, We're fine. Who needs you?

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Speaker 3: Trey? That?

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Speaker 2: According to Zach Taylor, t Higgins and Todje Brooks, both

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Speaker 2: still working their way through concussion protocol possible returns this

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Speaker 2: week Bengals and Bills on Sunday at one o'clock. Remember

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Speaker 2: that game was originally scheduled for four to twenty five.

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Speaker 2: It's a one o'clock kickoff live on ESPN fifteen thirty.

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Speaker 2: Monday Night Football Tonight und Giants and Patriots. On Fox

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Speaker 2: Sports thirteen sixty. College Hoops this evening, Cincinnati is hosting

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Speaker 2: Tarlton State. That game will tip off at seven pm

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Speaker 2: on seven hundred WLW Xavier has a game tonight against

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Speaker 2: Saint Francis that is at seven o'clock on fifty five KRC.

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Speaker 2: All I can do, Tony is tell you what our

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Speaker 2: internal schedule says, and our internal schedule says that on

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Speaker 2: Fox Sports thirteen sixty tonight at sixty is the Mark

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Speaker 2: Stoop Show.

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Speaker 3: Oh, I don't think that's going to happen.

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Speaker 4: At seven o'clock is the Mark Pope Show.

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Speaker 3: Who will they replace the Mark Stuple Show with? Because

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Speaker 3: all I've seen from Kentucky fans today are flight logs.

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Speaker 4: I do. I am a little bit jealous yep, because

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Speaker 4: that is a that is a fun thing if you're

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Speaker 4: a college sports fan.

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Speaker 3: So anyway, it almost can be a little much.

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Speaker 2: So I don't know if the athletic director Mitch Barnhardt

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Speaker 2: is going to be on the show. Mark Pope is

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Speaker 2: supposed to be on at seven. I don't know if

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Speaker 2: he'll be on at six, or maybe they'll make him

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Speaker 2: do it too.

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I can tell you this. On ESPN fifteen thirty we

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Speaker 2: have Bengals line. Also tonight the Blue Jacket Skate against

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Speaker 2: New Jersey. A couple of things we've got to mention here.

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Speaker 2: Number one. A week from today, we are announcing the

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Speaker 2: winner of the Ultimate Fan Cave Giveaway from Sims Furniture.

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Speaker 2: And there's a two ways to sign up. You can

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Speaker 2: go to any area Sims Furniture store, sure Greater Cincinnati,

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Speaker 2: and there's a QR code and you love Sinnis. Or

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Speaker 2: you can come on out to a Twin Peaks and

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Speaker 2: I've got the QR code right here.

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Speaker 4: We've got some folks who are signing up. This here

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Speaker 4: is what you win.

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Speaker 2: You win a power recliner, a fifty five inch television

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Speaker 2: that is not Vana White. For what it's worth, that

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Speaker 2: is most definitely not Vana White. That guy looks like

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Speaker 2: Dana White. By take that too, fifty five inch television

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Speaker 2: TV console that's got a built an electric fireplace, an

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Speaker 2: area rug, and an end table with a built in speaker.

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Speaker 2: All of this like a three thousand dollars value unbelievable

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Speaker 4: So free to sign up, Free to sign up.

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Speaker 3: We'll announce the winner on this show next week.

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Speaker 4: Next week. Wow, four thirty five. Got to be here

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Speaker 4: to win, got to be here to sign up, or

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Speaker 4: you could swing by any Cincinnati area.

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Speaker 2: Sims Furniture store. So we've got folks who are signing up.

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Speaker 2: We also need to shout out our new friends, Mike

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Speaker 2: and Herb. Now, Mike, Yes, came to a show that

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Speaker 2: I did last week, and Herb brought me this cigar.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I don't I don't hold it against Herb

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Speaker 3: that he's wearing Ohio state gear today. This team one,

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Speaker 3: his team one, So it's fine. Would you have warned

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Speaker 3: that if they lost? That's my only question.

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna say Herb would have her It's like the

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Speaker 4: kind of guy that doesn't care. Okay, doesn't matter, all right,

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Speaker 4: So Herb brought me another one of these uh find cigars. Yeah, right, Churchill,

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Speaker 4: and then they brought us bottles of bourbon.

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Speaker 3: This is incredible.

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Speaker 2: We've got a Basil Hayden, We've got a buffalo trace.

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Speaker 2: We are very fond of folks who bring bourbon.

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Speaker 3: Yeah to the show. The more we make this a thing.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, this does need to become a recurring theme. Holiday

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Speaker 4: season is here. And what I liked about it is

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Speaker 4: Mike said, we could fight over who gets witch.

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Speaker 3: What I love is is these bottles are sealed as well.

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Speaker 3: You know, no one's no one's taking the first pool

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Speaker 3: of like this, Let's give it to mon.

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Speaker 4: I'm taking that. Whichever one I take is going.

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Speaker 3: To the UC game with me tow you might need

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Speaker 3: it about the under twelve minute mark in the second half.

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Speaker 3: It's anything like.

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Speaker 4: Last Wednesday exactly. Yeah, thank you, thank you. John's very

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Speaker 4: very very kind of you. A few things they sign

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Speaker 4: for the furniture game. Okay, good they did it at

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Speaker 4: the other plays I broadcast, Oh good, good, good good.

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Speaker 4: By the way, that guy Vanam White's got five full

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Speaker 4: big beers in from White.

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Speaker 3: Those are all his too, Those are all his. He's

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Speaker 3: a bear Cat fan.

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Speaker 2: And well I could I can totally, I can totally relate.

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Speaker 2: By the way, Mike and Herb when you hear you

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Speaker 2: talk about Lane Kiffin a little bit later on. So

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Speaker 2: we are going to spend some time on that all

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Speaker 2: right quickly here Number one, Bengals do win early in

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Speaker 2: the game in the red zone. What were they doing?

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Speaker 3: Uh? Not converting on on early downs? I mean that

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Speaker 3: that to me is the biggest thing that they have.

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Speaker 3: They have to be better, I think on spacing in

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Speaker 3: the red zone. Now, the the obvious answer is when

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Speaker 3: you don't have anyone opposite of Jamar Chase, it's a

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Speaker 3: little bit different, right Like, and even the red zone

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Speaker 3: score like Tantel Hudson made a great play on a

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Speaker 3: ball one on one and Joe Burrow through one of

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Speaker 3: the best passes you'll see to Yosi Vash a little

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Speaker 3: bit outside the red zone. But I think it is

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Speaker 3: a little bit harder schematically because inside the in between

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Speaker 3: the twenties, you can find ways to get Jamar Chase

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Speaker 3: involved easier. When it gets to the red zone, teams

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Speaker 3: are automatically gonna bracket Jamar Chase when t Higgins is

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Speaker 3: out there. What can you scheme up better to find

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Speaker 3: open opportunities and use like That's my biggest thing if

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Speaker 3: a team is gonna double Jamar, Chase, use that, use

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Speaker 3: him as a decoy to run something off it, or

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Speaker 3: use him. You can still beat double coverage by motion,

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Speaker 3: by alignment. You can run a bunch set and put

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Speaker 3: Jamar kind of at the back end of the bunch

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Speaker 3: where you can't come up and double team them. There

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Speaker 3: are other ways around it. But I'm also not opposed

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Speaker 3: to using Jamar and saying, okay, double him. We have

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Speaker 3: a numbers game, now, can you can you have someone

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Speaker 3: else win those one on one matchups? The drive that

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Speaker 3: started on the three, you gotta score on that. Yes,

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Speaker 3: I know if Andrew, but's no other way around it.

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Speaker 3: You have to score a touchdown on that drive. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: because that was the one overriding theme at halftime, You're like, man,

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Speaker 3: defense played well, offense moved the ball twelve points. You've

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Speaker 3: got to convert, especially when you start thinking about going

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Speaker 3: to Buffalo and if you want to continue this season,

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Speaker 3: those little things have to happen. You've got to convert

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Speaker 3: in the red zone. It's any level of football you

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Speaker 3: go to. That's always the talking point, right. Convert red

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Speaker 3: zone trips to touchdowns and not field goals.

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Speaker 4: Is the Bengals offensive line good.

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Speaker 3: Oh, I don't know if I can go good yet

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Speaker 3: because going into that game on Thursday night, I think

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Speaker 3: the Bengals had produced sixteen team sacks on the year

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Speaker 3: and Baltimore was at eighteen, both near the bottom of

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Speaker 3: the NFL. So I do think it was a good

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Speaker 3: game to get Burrow back in the sense that they're

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Speaker 3: not a dominant front four that's going to get after

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Speaker 3: the quarterback, so I need it. Much like the defense,

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Speaker 3: I also didn't think Baltimore did anything exada to try

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Speaker 3: to put any press the defense. I just need to

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Speaker 3: see more of it, like great step now, show me

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Speaker 3: that you can do it again and again and again,

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Speaker 3: and then we'll start to have that conversation. But on

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Speaker 3: the on the very the very core of it, Mims

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Speaker 3: is getting better and I think Fairchild has been really solid. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I think those two have been good. I still have

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Speaker 3: questions about Orlando Brown Junior. Ted Carris to me, his

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Speaker 3: play has gone up because the guard play has gone up.

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Speaker 3: I think last year he was stuck with two caps

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Speaker 3: Capen Volson. That's that That's a lot for a center

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Speaker 3: to take. Now he's not having to make up for them.

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Speaker 3: He can just do his job. I do think it's

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Speaker 3: a very good spot to be.

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Speaker 4: I think Orlando might be the worst guy.

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Speaker 3: If if you asked me today who is the weakest

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Speaker 3: link on the O line, my answer today would be

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Speaker 3: Orlando Brown junior. And that's not what you want at

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Speaker 3: left tackle.

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Speaker 2: That game on Thursday night, Thanksgiving Night, huge stage for

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Speaker 2: the Bengals. More people watching the Bengals on Thursday than

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Speaker 2: probably had watched him all year long. There were some

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Speaker 2: really encouraging performances by some players on the defense. But

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Speaker 2: twice on Thanksgiving Night I got texts from people that

653
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Speaker 2: I had to ask them who is this? Because it's

654
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Speaker 2: been like fifteen years since I've heard from them. Yeah,

655
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Speaker 2: who wanted to know about Barreck Carter?

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Speaker 3: Oh?

657
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Speaker 2: Like I got a text from like a guy who

658
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Speaker 2: is married to a friend of my ex wife.

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Speaker 4: Oh, and when you get.

660
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Speaker 2: Divorced, like you know, they take sides and whatever. Fine,

661
00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:35,200
Speaker 2: you know, no big deal. But like I get a

662
00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:39,120
Speaker 2: text and the dudes like who's number forty nine? And

663
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Speaker 2: why is he always on the field? And I had

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Speaker 2: to ask, like who is this?

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Speaker 3: And then he told me, I'm like, well, you drafted

666
00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:46,360
Speaker 3: And then I'm like, what am I talking to you for?

667
00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:46,720
Speaker 4: Right?

668
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:48,640
Speaker 2: And then about ten minutes later I get a text

669
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Speaker 2: I this person. I knew this person, but I didn't

670
00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:54,360
Speaker 2: I hadn't heard from them in twelve years. So I

671
00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:56,959
Speaker 2: get a text same thing, who are you? And they

672
00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:59,120
Speaker 2: wanted to know about Barret Carter. A lot of the

673
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Speaker 2: people who like over the NFL nationally, Ben Solac from

674
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Speaker 2: ESPN called Barrett Carter unplayable.

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Speaker 4: Yep, there are a lot.

676
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Speaker 2: Of good things happening with the Bengals defense, or at

677
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:12,400
Speaker 2: least there were a lot of good things happening against Baltimore.

678
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:17,960
Speaker 2: If I'm Josh Allen, if I'm Lamar Jackson, there to be.

679
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Speaker 3: That's the craziest part about them not utilizing Lamar as

680
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:23,920
Speaker 3: a runner without question, which tells me he's got to

681
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Speaker 3: be compromised.

682
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Speaker 4: Or just the middle of the field more often, Yes,

683
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Speaker 4: the first throw of the game, Yes, you're thinking, here

684
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:32,480
Speaker 4: we go, tight ends, and then whether it was not

685
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:36,560
Speaker 4: using Derrick Henry but Tony I just I have visions playoffs.

686
00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:38,760
Speaker 4: I have visions of the Bengals losing a game that

687
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Speaker 4: eliminates them from the playoffs, and Barrett Carter doesn't make

688
00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:44,480
Speaker 4: a tackle doesn't make a stop, isn't in the right place,

689
00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:47,040
Speaker 4: blows coverage Like I hate to pick on the dude.

690
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Speaker 2: I get that he's a rookie. And by the way,

691
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:50,920
Speaker 2: Demetrius Knight all that much better. One of the more

692
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:53,960
Speaker 2: embarrassing things about early in the broadcast was they show

693
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Speaker 2: the PFF scores and Demitrius Knights like eighty eight out

694
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Speaker 2: of eighty nine at linebacker and Barrett Carter's eighty nine

695
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Speaker 2: out of eight.

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Speaker 3: It's how the guard it was the guard played from

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Speaker 3: last year.

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Speaker 2: It's going to kill them like it's going to doom

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Speaker 2: them at some point between now and the end of

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Speaker 2: the se And.

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Speaker 3: The craziest part about it like that is your defensive

702
00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:14,279
Speaker 3: coordinator specialty. That's Al Golden was a linebacker coach here.

703
00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:18,480
Speaker 3: How do you miss that that much? That to me

704
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Speaker 3: is remarkable that they missed on linebacker twice in the

705
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Speaker 3: draft and still said, all right, we'll move on from

706
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Speaker 3: Logan Wilson. I when when Lamar didn't run in the

707
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Speaker 3: first half as much as I thought I knew then

708
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:40,000
Speaker 3: he was. He's more compromised than he leads on. Josh

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00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:45,359
Speaker 3: Allen is not Josh Allen and James Cook will try

710
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Speaker 3: to exploit that group of linebackers on every single drop

711
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Speaker 3: back and every single play. You have to have a

712
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Speaker 3: better answer for it. And to me, the most remarkable

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Speaker 3: and astonishing part is that's the position Al Golden should

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Speaker 3: be comfortable with. Yeah, now, I will credit Ol Golden

715
00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:07,839
Speaker 3: because it feels like he's finally scrapping this like coverage

716
00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:12,320
Speaker 3: base and they are. They're throwing more exotics in different looks,

717
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:15,120
Speaker 3: and I think you have to because if if you

718
00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:17,840
Speaker 3: get guys on certain islands, if Barreck Carter's on an island,

719
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Speaker 3: if Demetrius Knight's on an island. Right now, I don't

720
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Speaker 3: think they're gonna win many of those battles.

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Speaker 4: We're given him the D back? Are we giving Al Golden?

722
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Speaker 3: Does Al Golden get the D back?

723
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Speaker 4: Is he Al Golan?

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00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:35,759
Speaker 3: I think he's still Al Golan? One more week? All right?

725
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:38,200
Speaker 4: We might make that a poll question. Thanks to United.

726
00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:42,040
Speaker 3: Slow slow down, Josh Allen and the D is back.

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00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:44,000
Speaker 4: All right, I'm with you.

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Speaker 2: One more week, one more week, okay, it is eight

729
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Speaker 2: away from four o'clock. A lot more on the Bengals,

730
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Speaker 2: talk about the Bills a little bit more. The NFL

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Speaker 2: Yesterday really exciting day. The league is sort of topsy turvy.

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Speaker 3: The AFC North isn't good, the AFC South is really good.

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Speaker 2: That's not something I was prepared for. But Tony, the

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Speaker 2: irregular season has ended for the UC Bearcats. It's over

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Speaker 2: ended with a fourth consecutive loss, a tenth consecutive November loss.

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Speaker 2: And we're going to talk about that after the top

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Speaker 2: of the hour.

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Speaker 3: Oh great spectacular Tony Imo football show here at Twin

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Speaker 3: Peaks in Westchester on ESPN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati Sports.

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Speaker 1: The Bengals are bringing their own brand of football to

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Speaker 1: Buffalo when they go hunting for a win. I tell

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Speaker 1: you about the last time I was in Delo I

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Speaker 1: eight fifty wings slathered in hot sauce. Let's just say

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Speaker 1: I had to stampede my way to a stall in

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Speaker 1: the men's room. The Bengals Paddle the Bills. Coverage begins

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Speaker 2: The middle hour of the Tony and Moll Football Show.

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Speaker 2: It's win Peaks in Westchester. Thank you so much for

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Speaker 2: joining us. Hopefully you had a great Thanksgiving Moeggor with

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Speaker 2: Tony Pike, we are here till six o'clock on a victory.

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Speaker 4: Monday for the Bengals.

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Speaker 2: Bengals Cincinnati jumping back into the AFC North Race, even

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Speaker 2: if just on the periphery, with a Thanksgiving Night victory

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Speaker 2: over the Baltimore Ravens thirty two to fourteen to improve

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Speaker 2: too four and eight. We have more on the Bengals

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00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:40,120
Speaker 2: coming up here in just a bit. You'll hear Zach

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Speaker 2: Taylor's press conference in the five o'clock hour. Have you

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Speaker 2: ever participated Tony in no shave November?

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Speaker 3: No?

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00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:50,120
Speaker 4: No, And looking at you right now, you mean to

783
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Speaker 4: tell me you shaved in November?

784
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Speaker 3: Yeah? Okay, you know I was thinking this November going in.

785
00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:58,319
Speaker 3: I was like, I'm just gonna wait till you see

786
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Speaker 3: wins another game football, and then I'll shave well. And

787
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Speaker 3: so I'm still here.

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Speaker 4: We've had no shave November for the Bearcats for a

789
00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:08,200
Speaker 4: second consecutive year. No win November.

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Speaker 3: Pikes.

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Speaker 4: Bearcats go zero.

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Speaker 2: To four in the regular season's final month, and a

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Speaker 2: season that at one point had the Bearcats at seven

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00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:18,840
Speaker 2: and one, sees them fall to seven and five with

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Speaker 2: their bowl game announcement still pending. Cincinnati loses on the

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Speaker 2: road to TCU in a game that I don't think

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Speaker 2: I ever felt like UC was going to win.

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Speaker 3: No, the only way they were going to win is

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Speaker 3: starting fast, because losing three in a row, if it

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Speaker 3: didn't start the way you hoped, you just felt like

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Speaker 3: it was gonna snowball. And then they do something different.

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Speaker 3: They win the toss and they take the ball, like

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Speaker 3: all right, yeah, let's go get the lead. You couldn't

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Speaker 3: have scripted a worst start. Back to back third downs

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Speaker 3: to start the game where your receivers catch a pass

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00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:55,960
Speaker 3: pass the first down marker and go backwards and get talked,

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Speaker 3: get stopped short of the line. One of those results

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Speaker 3: in a fourth down where they don't con or short

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Speaker 3: field for TCU. The next time they do punt and

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Speaker 3: there's an hour and a half rain delay. But like

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Speaker 3: Dan Horden mentioned it on the broadcast, they were starting

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Speaker 3: after touchbacks, so they started on the twenty five. They

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Speaker 3: have to get to the thirty five. There's a solid

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Speaker 3: white line. It's not like the TV line that's there,

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Speaker 3: but not in first not at the thirty two yard line.

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Speaker 3: You're not at the get in the thirty three, just

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Speaker 3: that white line. And back to back series they caught

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Speaker 3: a pass on third down and ran backwards.

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Speaker 4: That may happen once a season, maybe happened twice back

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Speaker 4: to back series in the first two drives of the

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Speaker 4: final game of the season.

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Speaker 3: So then you're immediately down. We knew coming in. Josh

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Speaker 3: Hoover was good. Josh Hoover was nineteen to twenty two.

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Speaker 3: He did not make many tough throws, and he didn't

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Speaker 3: make many tough throws because again, you were gashed on

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Speaker 3: the ground by a team in TCU that cannot run

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Speaker 3: the ball won twenty three a game. They don't run

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Speaker 3: it well. They were also down there starting running back.

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Speaker 3: Didn't matter career high for their or the pain career

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Speaker 3: high for pain. It was a comedy of airs. And

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Speaker 3: then when they finally did get a stop, they muffed

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Speaker 3: the punt just like things you can't even make up.

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00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:17,440
Speaker 3: They're playing from behind, So now all of a sudden,

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Speaker 3: Evan Pryor and Tollie Walker aren't even factors in the

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Speaker 3: running game. Your your one dimensional it TCU teams. Okay,

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Speaker 3: it's not a great TCU team.

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Speaker 4: Of the four teams they lost to, I think that

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Speaker 4: was the most beatable.

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Speaker 2: Yep, completely, DYU is good in physical Utah is good.

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Speaker 2: Arizona is better than I think a lot of people

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Speaker 2: gave them credit for, though the Bearcats led for much

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Speaker 2: of that game.

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Speaker 4: TCU of those four was the.

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Speaker 3: Worst of those teams. Not awful so like, but that

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Speaker 3: is a very beatable team. So then it creates the

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Speaker 3: dilemma because I think if you would have asked a

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Speaker 3: lot of Bearcat fans going into the year, is seven

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Speaker 3: and five a good year? You would have said, well,

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Speaker 3: that hits the Vegas over and you're trending in the

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00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:08,439
Speaker 3: right direction. But now you get to seven and five

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Speaker 3: by losing four in a row. You started November in

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Speaker 3: the top twenty five. You started November with an opportunity.

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Speaker 3: If you win three out of four, you're playing in

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Speaker 3: a Big twelve championship game in Dallas. Now I look

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00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:24,239
Speaker 3: back today, who's their marquee win. Iowa State was not

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Speaker 3: at full strength. Outside of that, they didn't beat a

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Speaker 3: team in the Big Twelve that's going to a bowl game.

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Speaker 3: It's just Baylor right, like UCF, Kansas, Kansas, Oklahoma State,

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Speaker 3: like I thought, they're five toughest games this year, they're

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Speaker 3: five best opponents. They lost all five of them.

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Speaker 2: So it is true that I think most of us.

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Speaker 2: Maybe not all, but I do think most of us.

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Speaker 2: In July and August said seven or eight wins is

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Speaker 2: a good year.

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Speaker 3: And for those that bet the over, cash your ticket. Yep.

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Speaker 4: But expectations do change.

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Speaker 2: If my daughter is getting c's and she starts bringing

868
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:11,400
Speaker 2: home bs, well, then I expect we're gonna get some

869
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:14,160
Speaker 2: aze like performance changes expectation.

870
00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:16,960
Speaker 4: For the second consecutive.

871
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:19,000
Speaker 2: Year, U see loses four straight, we'll see what happens

872
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:21,240
Speaker 2: in the bowl game. Last year they lost five straight.

873
00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:27,120
Speaker 2: It doesn't feel it doesn't feel like a wildly successful season.

874
00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:30,239
Speaker 2: I get mathematically and Scoonce Sadafield said this after the game.

875
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:33,080
Speaker 2: They went from three wins to five wins to seven wins. Yes,

876
00:43:33,239 --> 00:43:37,759
Speaker 2: that's progress, but when you look at the team, the

877
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:40,400
Speaker 2: best players are all leaving now.

878
00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:42,400
Speaker 4: It's never been easier to reload.

879
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:45,560
Speaker 2: Zach Grant is Cincinnati's general manager, and I think they'd

880
00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:48,400
Speaker 2: a really good job in the portal last year. But

881
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:52,360
Speaker 2: he's got his word cutout for Dante Corleone gone, Gavin

882
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:55,200
Speaker 2: Gerhart gone, Joe Royer gone, whole bunch.

883
00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:57,960
Speaker 4: Of wide receivers gone, Jake Golde gone.

884
00:43:58,239 --> 00:44:00,919
Speaker 3: I don't know if Brendan Soarsby's back, so.

885
00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:07,279
Speaker 2: On one hand, yes, seven and five, but seven and

886
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:12,439
Speaker 2: five felt like the culmination and not a step right.

887
00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:14,920
Speaker 2: Seven and five felt like the culmination of the last

888
00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:17,839
Speaker 2: three years. And now it's not a total tear now.

889
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:20,359
Speaker 2: And it's not that there aren't players who can help

890
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:22,480
Speaker 2: the team next season. There are some good young offensive

891
00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:26,560
Speaker 2: line and there's some good tight ends, but a lot

892
00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:28,200
Speaker 2: of the dudes from a seven and five team you

893
00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:30,359
Speaker 2: got to figure out how to replace. And when that's

894
00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:32,799
Speaker 2: the case, you're typically taking a step back. It's one

895
00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:34,960
Speaker 2: thing if you're taking a step back from a nine

896
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:36,919
Speaker 2: win team or a ten win team or a team

897
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:39,480
Speaker 2: that played in a conference championship game. It's something else

898
00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:41,520
Speaker 2: when you're gonna have to take a step back and

899
00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:42,640
Speaker 2: replace a lot of guys.

900
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:43,959
Speaker 4: From a team that won seven games.

901
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:47,640
Speaker 3: And also, like we're talking about, Cyrus Allen was a

902
00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:50,200
Speaker 3: touchdown shy of the school record for touchdowns in a year.

903
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:56,160
Speaker 3: Brendan Soaresby there's talk about the NFL. Dante Corleone and

904
00:44:56,239 --> 00:44:59,160
Speaker 3: Joe Royer and Gavin Gerhardt and Jake Goldey are gonna

905
00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:02,200
Speaker 3: play on Sundays. You get a lot of talent on

906
00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:04,600
Speaker 3: this team. You did a lot of good individual things.

907
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:08,239
Speaker 3: I think Evan Pryor and Tylie Walker are good running backs. Yeah,

908
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:10,400
Speaker 3: what do you have to show for it? Yeah? Like

909
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:13,120
Speaker 3: it just feels empty.

910
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:13,879
Speaker 4: It does.

911
00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:17,399
Speaker 3: And the worry that I have is you're continuing year

912
00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:18,799
Speaker 3: in and year out. You're trying to compete in the

913
00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:20,920
Speaker 3: nil world, You're trying to compete in the portal world.

914
00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:27,319
Speaker 3: Can you sell your investors to your program on this

915
00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:29,160
Speaker 3: team right now in the direction they're going.

916
00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:30,439
Speaker 4: So a couple of things.

917
00:45:30,520 --> 00:45:33,200
Speaker 2: Number One, we might as well talk about Joe Royer

918
00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:33,799
Speaker 2: one more time.

919
00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:35,080
Speaker 4: I put this on social media.

920
00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:36,680
Speaker 3: If you would have said to me before the season

921
00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:39,279
Speaker 3: the over under for catches for Joe Royer's twenty nine

922
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:41,200
Speaker 3: and a half, I would have laughed at you. I'd

923
00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:43,440
Speaker 3: have bet my house. Yes, I would have bet my mortgage.

924
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:45,919
Speaker 2: I would have bet something substantial. He finishes with twenty

925
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:48,759
Speaker 2: nine catches. That is going to remain a mystery to me.

926
00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:53,200
Speaker 2: Number Two, this is inescapable. They're one and eleven in

927
00:45:53,239 --> 00:45:54,800
Speaker 2: November the last three years.

928
00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:56,360
Speaker 4: Ye, that is a fact.

929
00:45:56,520 --> 00:45:59,440
Speaker 3: They don't have a win under Scott's adderfield when trailing

930
00:45:59,480 --> 00:45:59,960
Speaker 3: at the half.

931
00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:03,920
Speaker 2: That's who they are until they're not right, That's who

932
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:05,759
Speaker 2: they are. And get mad at me for saying it,

933
00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:08,040
Speaker 2: but that's who they are. They have to figure out

934
00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:10,960
Speaker 2: a way to shed that and shed that quickly. And

935
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:14,239
Speaker 2: then the Sowersby thing. I guess there's two one in

936
00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:18,479
Speaker 2: your opinion. Is he an NFL caliber quarterback number two?

937
00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:22,200
Speaker 2: As good as he was? I think watching him against

938
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:27,000
Speaker 2: Utah and BYU in Arizona, there was a sense Nebraska, Nebraska,

939
00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:29,040
Speaker 2: they still need somebody better.

940
00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:30,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, they can.

941
00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:32,719
Speaker 4: They come up with the resources to find somebody better.

942
00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:36,480
Speaker 3: You're gonna have to. I don't think sworersby's an NFL

943
00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:42,360
Speaker 3: guy yet. I think if he is, he's a fifth, sixth,

944
00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:43,279
Speaker 3: late round guy.

945
00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:44,240
Speaker 4: It's not a great class.

946
00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:46,879
Speaker 3: It's not a great quarterback class. I just I think

947
00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:49,279
Speaker 3: there are so many questions about the best competition they played,

948
00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:50,440
Speaker 3: and he played his worst football.

949
00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:53,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, would you'd be happy to have him back?

950
00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:55,760
Speaker 3: I would be happy to have him back. I also

951
00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:58,680
Speaker 3: think that there's enough teams that are quarterback needy, that

952
00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:00,800
Speaker 3: are gonna probably throw more money than what the Bearcats

953
00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:05,719
Speaker 3: can at him, And that like that to me, like

954
00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:09,120
Speaker 3: Keegan outlined the Kegan Nikoson outline this in the article

955
00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:12,040
Speaker 3: if you go back to last year bearkat joner dot com.

956
00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:16,600
Speaker 3: If you go back to last year, similar situation, Similar

957
00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:21,359
Speaker 3: time Sowersby was asked about next year and just emphatically

958
00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:28,000
Speaker 3: ready to go, let's go. The answer after the game

959
00:47:28,040 --> 00:47:30,719
Speaker 3: on Saturday was much different. The answer is a lot

960
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:33,399
Speaker 3: of unknowns. I haven't really thought about it much. Those

961
00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:37,440
Speaker 3: are typically what happens when you're you're you're finishing up playing.

962
00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:40,879
Speaker 2: Your last He has more options pro yes college now

963
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:43,239
Speaker 2: than he did a year again, correct, And I wonder too, like.

964
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:48,080
Speaker 3: What it does for the bowl game, Like there's nothing

965
00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:51,000
Speaker 3: for him to gain in a bowl game. There's nothing

966
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:53,839
Speaker 3: for Corleone to gain in a bowl game.

967
00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:55,640
Speaker 4: Is there nothing for Sowresby?

968
00:47:56,440 --> 00:47:58,360
Speaker 3: No, Because the only thing that could happen for Soresby

969
00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:01,279
Speaker 3: is he probably hurts his stop because you're not gonna

970
00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:03,840
Speaker 3: have a full compliment of weapons. That's what that's probably

971
00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:04,560
Speaker 3: his thought problem.

972
00:48:04,680 --> 00:48:07,120
Speaker 4: Like I guess from him, and I know where you're going.

973
00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:09,560
Speaker 4: But for him in particular, is your body of work

974
00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:11,560
Speaker 4: so good that you can't benefit from a chance to

975
00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:12,720
Speaker 4: put some stuff on tape?

976
00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:14,920
Speaker 3: Like I personally think that. But you get agents out

977
00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:18,080
Speaker 3: there that try to get in these kids' heads, and well,

978
00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:19,560
Speaker 3: you don't need to go do this, or you're gonna

979
00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:22,160
Speaker 3: hurt yourself if you go play this. Like the agent

980
00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:26,880
Speaker 3: world is a slippery slow because they're looking out for

981
00:48:27,239 --> 00:48:31,000
Speaker 3: the bottom line. They're not looking much into you know what,

982
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:33,160
Speaker 3: what the the feel of the team in the locker

983
00:48:33,239 --> 00:48:37,359
Speaker 3: room is. So it's it's hard. You've got a lot

984
00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:39,800
Speaker 3: of different people in your ear, whether it's going pro

985
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:44,880
Speaker 3: or like it's the wild West. There are probably already

986
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:46,640
Speaker 3: teams out there that have talked to the agent and

987
00:48:46,640 --> 00:48:49,239
Speaker 3: said we'll give Soresby this, oh without question, which means

988
00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:52,640
Speaker 3: Soresby knows that. So what's the What's what's he gained

989
00:48:52,640 --> 00:48:55,359
Speaker 3: by a bowl game? Like old school, It's like, man,

990
00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:58,720
Speaker 3: I just played a whole year. I bled, and I sweat,

991
00:48:58,719 --> 00:49:00,319
Speaker 3: and I worked with these guys, Like I'm not going

992
00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:01,839
Speaker 3: to turn my back on him for a bowl game.

993
00:49:02,719 --> 00:49:06,240
Speaker 3: That's not the nature of this anymore. Bowl games outside

994
00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:10,000
Speaker 3: of the college football playoff have never meant less, and

995
00:49:10,080 --> 00:49:11,640
Speaker 3: so these players are like, well, I could do this,

996
00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:13,440
Speaker 3: or I could figure out what I'm gonna do next,

997
00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:15,759
Speaker 3: or go work on this part of my game. And

998
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:19,240
Speaker 3: it's it's one of the unfortunate drawbacks of the current

999
00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:22,120
Speaker 3: college football world and how it's set up.

1000
00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:26,200
Speaker 4: I would have played well, you did play. You played

1001
00:49:26,200 --> 00:49:26,759
Speaker 4: in the Sugar Bowl.

1002
00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:28,399
Speaker 3: I would have made sure like I wouldn't have sat out.

1003
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:32,640
Speaker 3: I kind of wish you would have as the Orange Bowl.

1004
00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:35,640
Speaker 3: Knew you knew that was coming. You tea that that

1005
00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:37,600
Speaker 3: one up the time I was making sure you were

1006
00:49:37,640 --> 00:49:39,640
Speaker 3: on your game. You kicked it through the uprights.

1007
00:49:40,239 --> 00:49:42,880
Speaker 2: Scott Sadderfield is going to be back, and I don't.

1008
00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:51,000
Speaker 2: It's interesting because the talent on this year's team I

1009
00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:53,480
Speaker 2: think was better than seven and five. Yes, and yet

1010
00:49:53,480 --> 00:49:55,520
Speaker 2: they only finished seven and five. Is that a reflection

1011
00:49:55,600 --> 00:49:56,080
Speaker 2: of coaching?

1012
00:49:57,480 --> 00:49:59,960
Speaker 4: I I don't. I don't know.

1013
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:03,439
Speaker 2: Oh man, there were they were better, and I thought

1014
00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:06,000
Speaker 2: at times this year Scott Saderfield and the offensive staff

1015
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:09,520
Speaker 2: did some really interesting things. Number One, it's fair to

1016
00:50:09,560 --> 00:50:12,440
Speaker 2: ask can he get them over the hump? Number two,

1017
00:50:12,560 --> 00:50:14,759
Speaker 2: If the answer is yes, how long is it gonna

1018
00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:17,080
Speaker 2: take if you believe that they're gonna take a step

1019
00:50:17,120 --> 00:50:18,920
Speaker 2: back next year. And if they take a step back

1020
00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:22,359
Speaker 2: next year, then what about a fan base.

1021
00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:25,600
Speaker 4: That is at best been lukewarm with Scott Sadderfield.

1022
00:50:26,320 --> 00:50:30,600
Speaker 3: I think when things were going well, you could see

1023
00:50:31,120 --> 00:50:34,640
Speaker 3: everything how it mirrored off each other offensively, and then

1024
00:50:34,640 --> 00:50:37,759
Speaker 3: there's times like the Arizona game, Bearcats got the lead

1025
00:50:38,040 --> 00:50:40,400
Speaker 3: and they got four straight possessions that came up empty.

1026
00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:44,360
Speaker 3: There's too many of those, yeah, where the offense and

1027
00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:47,920
Speaker 3: the rhythm just disappear for three, four five series and

1028
00:50:47,960 --> 00:50:50,200
Speaker 3: then it's two later. You just can't pick it back up.

1029
00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:55,600
Speaker 3: For me and Scott Saderfield, I need to see them

1030
00:50:55,640 --> 00:50:59,560
Speaker 3: do it against better competition. Yeah. Again, that Kansas win

1031
00:50:59,640 --> 00:51:01,759
Speaker 3: was awesome. It was fun and at the time I

1032
00:51:01,800 --> 00:51:04,640
Speaker 3: thought Kansas would be better than what their record finished.

1033
00:51:05,239 --> 00:51:06,920
Speaker 3: But you look back at that now and you're like,

1034
00:51:07,239 --> 00:51:08,160
Speaker 3: thats an okay win.

1035
00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:12,920
Speaker 2: Well, Baylor was one handed catch on fourth by Noah Jencks,

1036
00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:14,080
Speaker 2: right like a chance to.

1037
00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:17,239
Speaker 3: Win the opener against Nebraska there for the taking bad.

1038
00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:20,400
Speaker 3: Nebraska was seven and five with the cake schedule.

1039
00:51:20,120 --> 00:51:22,120
Speaker 4: Just fired their defensive coordinator.

1040
00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:26,080
Speaker 3: Correct, So there were opportunities that I thought were missed

1041
00:51:26,080 --> 00:51:29,919
Speaker 3: this year. And if he's the guy, and he's going

1042
00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:32,360
Speaker 3: to be the guy going forward, he's the guy. You

1043
00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:34,919
Speaker 3: got to start winning some of those games that either

1044
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:36,760
Speaker 3: are close or you're not supposed.

1045
00:51:36,360 --> 00:51:36,879
Speaker 4: To win well.

1046
00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:39,080
Speaker 2: And he's got a shed that we talked about, like

1047
00:51:39,120 --> 00:51:42,759
Speaker 2: the November woes, the third quarter woes, which trans they

1048
00:51:42,760 --> 00:51:45,520
Speaker 2: were awful in the third quarter against Oklahoma State. Now

1049
00:51:45,520 --> 00:51:48,399
Speaker 2: Oklahoma State was terrible and the Bearcats built a big lead.

1050
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:51,880
Speaker 2: They did not outscore one team in the Big twelve

1051
00:51:51,880 --> 00:51:52,600
Speaker 2: in the third quarter.

1052
00:51:52,719 --> 00:51:53,520
Speaker 3: Ye not one.

1053
00:51:53,600 --> 00:51:54,280
Speaker 4: I think they were.

1054
00:51:54,120 --> 00:51:56,279
Speaker 2: Outscored in eight of the nine games and the other

1055
00:51:56,320 --> 00:51:58,600
Speaker 2: one they played maybe UC have to a draw. So

1056
00:51:58,600 --> 00:52:01,279
Speaker 2: there's a couple of things they've got to get better immediately. One,

1057
00:52:02,200 --> 00:52:04,840
Speaker 2: you gotta be better in the third quarter. Two, you

1058
00:52:04,920 --> 00:52:06,960
Speaker 2: gotta start beating teams that are better than you, which

1059
00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:08,240
Speaker 2: they haven't done in three years.

1060
00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:11,440
Speaker 4: And three go oh for November every year.

1061
00:52:11,520 --> 00:52:13,840
Speaker 3: Yep. You know what I dislike the most about this

1062
00:52:13,960 --> 00:52:17,759
Speaker 3: year is doing the games. It felt like we had

1063
00:52:17,800 --> 00:52:20,600
Speaker 3: a or I had a feel at least in like

1064
00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:22,480
Speaker 3: the first two series if they were gonna win or not,

1065
00:52:23,960 --> 00:52:25,719
Speaker 3: Like it just felt like if they didn't have it

1066
00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:27,560
Speaker 3: early as I, oh, here we go. Yeah, Like I

1067
00:52:27,560 --> 00:52:29,720
Speaker 3: don't like that's a bad feeling to have. Like against

1068
00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:32,040
Speaker 3: Utah early on it was like, oh boy.

1069
00:52:32,640 --> 00:52:35,920
Speaker 2: I thought the way I thought they were gonna blow Arizona, the.

1070
00:52:35,960 --> 00:52:39,000
Speaker 3: Way Arizona started, I'm like, oh boy, Like it just

1071
00:52:39,880 --> 00:52:42,719
Speaker 3: that to me. When when they failed to stop early

1072
00:52:42,760 --> 00:52:44,319
Speaker 3: in the game l J. Martin, I'm like, oh, that's

1073
00:52:44,320 --> 00:52:46,560
Speaker 3: gonna be a heavy dose. Like they're just too many

1074
00:52:46,600 --> 00:52:49,680
Speaker 3: times I felt that instead of all right, they'll figure

1075
00:52:49,719 --> 00:52:50,000
Speaker 3: it out.

1076
00:52:50,160 --> 00:52:52,120
Speaker 2: I just feel like over the last couple of years

1077
00:52:52,160 --> 00:52:55,759
Speaker 2: and this year included, every time I felt like they're

1078
00:52:55,800 --> 00:52:58,319
Speaker 2: about to get going, whether it's in a game or

1079
00:52:58,360 --> 00:53:00,799
Speaker 2: in the season, but every time game I felt like,

1080
00:53:00,800 --> 00:53:02,279
Speaker 2: all right, they're about to take control of this game.

1081
00:53:02,320 --> 00:53:04,000
Speaker 2: We're about to put themselves in a position to win.

1082
00:53:04,840 --> 00:53:05,960
Speaker 2: They would get in their own way.

1083
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I legit thought going in November there was a

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00:53:08,360 --> 00:53:10,879
Speaker 3: chance they could play in Dallas. Yes, Like I thought

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00:53:10,920 --> 00:53:14,080
Speaker 3: they were playing that well. Like man, this team because

1086
00:53:14,080 --> 00:53:17,280
Speaker 3: of the schedule and Arizona and BYU were at home

1087
00:53:17,800 --> 00:53:20,359
Speaker 3: at nip I'm like, they've got a chance. Even when

1088
00:53:20,360 --> 00:53:22,799
Speaker 3: you lost to Utah, it's like, all right, win out

1089
00:53:23,320 --> 00:53:26,680
Speaker 3: your favorite against Arizona, You're gonna be a slight dog,

1090
00:53:26,760 --> 00:53:29,960
Speaker 3: maybe against BYU. But just went out and you're in.

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00:53:30,080 --> 00:53:30,960
Speaker 3: You're in Dallas.

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00:53:31,080 --> 00:53:33,319
Speaker 2: I thought going into the Utah game, and I know

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00:53:33,360 --> 00:53:35,040
Speaker 2: we got a break here. I thought, going into the

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00:53:35,120 --> 00:53:38,200
Speaker 2: Utah game, they'll finish nine and three. Yeah, maybe nine

1095
00:53:38,239 --> 00:53:41,000
Speaker 2: and three doesn't get him to Dallas, Okay, but nine

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00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:44,960
Speaker 2: and three you'll go. Tell you what, man, substantial progress

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00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:46,839
Speaker 2: will have picked off a win against a good team

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00:53:46,880 --> 00:53:50,319
Speaker 2: down the stretch. Yep, you will have increased your win

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00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:52,520
Speaker 2: total by four. You're gonna go to a bowl game

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00:53:52,560 --> 00:53:54,840
Speaker 2: with ease you played for. You know, you were in

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00:53:54,880 --> 00:53:56,560
Speaker 2: the title hunt down the stretch.

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00:53:56,800 --> 00:53:57,000
Speaker 3: Nine.

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00:53:57,239 --> 00:53:59,080
Speaker 4: I thought nine wins will walk away from that feeling.

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00:53:59,160 --> 00:54:01,239
Speaker 3: And we even said he lowered the bar Friday night

1105
00:54:01,680 --> 00:54:03,239
Speaker 3: when we're in Fort Worth and said, man, if they

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00:54:03,280 --> 00:54:05,080
Speaker 3: can just win this and all of a sudden it's

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00:54:05,120 --> 00:54:08,080
Speaker 3: eight and you finish with a win, it just feels

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00:54:08,080 --> 00:54:10,040
Speaker 3: different than losing four in a row to in the year.

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00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:15,680
Speaker 3: That was fun talking about that twenty four minutes. You

1110
00:54:15,680 --> 00:54:19,239
Speaker 3: want talk Bearcat basketball now, just you know, just just

1111
00:54:19,360 --> 00:54:20,200
Speaker 3: dive into that too.

1112
00:54:20,760 --> 00:54:21,680
Speaker 4: Maybe next Monday.

1113
00:54:22,320 --> 00:54:27,319
Speaker 3: Can't wait. I said Billy Donovan early Billy Gillespie coach.

1114
00:54:27,840 --> 00:54:30,239
Speaker 3: Billy Gillespie is the coach at at Tarleton State.

1115
00:54:30,360 --> 00:54:32,239
Speaker 2: I think it's going to be interesting to see how

1116
00:54:32,280 --> 00:54:34,799
Speaker 2: willing you and I are to work in the basketball

1117
00:54:34,840 --> 00:54:35,880
Speaker 2: segment next Monday.

1118
00:54:36,560 --> 00:54:38,600
Speaker 3: We'll see I might not be here if it goes

1119
00:54:38,640 --> 00:54:39,080
Speaker 3: the way.

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00:54:39,000 --> 00:54:41,320
Speaker 2: Well, we'll see that we may have to have folks

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00:54:41,360 --> 00:54:43,520
Speaker 2: show up to force us to do a basketball So.

1122
00:54:43,600 --> 00:54:45,920
Speaker 3: I might need a lot more of this bourbon being brought.

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00:54:46,040 --> 00:54:50,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, uh yeah, if in fact, I was going to

1124
00:54:50,560 --> 00:54:51,919
Speaker 2: bring that to the game tonight, and I might.

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00:54:51,800 --> 00:54:52,319
Speaker 4: Bring that on.

1126
00:54:53,520 --> 00:54:55,120
Speaker 3: Need it next Monday, Might.

1127
00:54:55,000 --> 00:54:57,040
Speaker 4: Bring it on on Friday.

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00:54:57,120 --> 00:54:59,080
Speaker 2: All right, it is twenty four after before we have

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00:54:59,120 --> 00:55:01,000
Speaker 2: other college stuff to get We gotta talk about the

1130
00:55:01,000 --> 00:55:04,759
Speaker 2: Buckeyes beating Michigan, Kentucky's got a head coaching vacancy, the

1131
00:55:04,840 --> 00:55:05,480
Speaker 2: Lane Kiff.

1132
00:55:05,320 --> 00:55:07,759
Speaker 4: And stuff in the five o'clock hour. Back to the

1133
00:55:07,760 --> 00:55:08,520
Speaker 4: Bengals though.

1134
00:55:08,680 --> 00:55:11,480
Speaker 2: After this Tony and moll Football show twin peaks in

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00:55:11,600 --> 00:55:15,000
Speaker 2: Westchester on ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports.

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Speaker 8: Station Cincinnati's ESPN fifteen thirty.

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Speaker 6: Traffic from the UC Health Traffic Center, UC Health's Weight

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Speaker 6: Laws Center off Resurgical and medical obesity Cararen expertise call

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Speaker 6: five toe three nine three nine twenty two sixty three.

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Speaker 6: That's nine three nine twenty two sixty three southbound seventy

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Speaker 6: five after the viaduct accident has our left lane blocked

1142
00:55:37,800 --> 00:55:39,600
Speaker 6: and we have a crash in the left lane of

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Speaker 6: seventy five northbound after two seventy five in Kentucky, delays

1144
00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:45,880
Speaker 6: are back to turf wind and also the delays on

1145
00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:49,240
Speaker 6: seventy four westbound after Montana accident down the left shoulder.

1146
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Speaker 6: Mine Rick Shrimp with traffic.

1147
00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:51,960
Speaker 3: This report is.

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Speaker 1: ESPN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati's sports station.

1149
00:55:57,320 --> 00:56:01,080
Speaker 5: This is Football in the NATI, brought to you by

1150
00:56:01,400 --> 00:56:06,400
Speaker 5: bell Terra Casino and Belterra Park on ESPN fifteen thirty,

1151
00:56:06,760 --> 00:56:09,279
Speaker 5: the official home of the Cincinnati Bengals.

1152
00:56:10,640 --> 00:56:13,239
Speaker 3: Or this is ESPN fifteen to thirty p Tony and

1153
00:56:13,280 --> 00:56:17,120
Speaker 3: Loo Football Show, A twin peaks in Westchester. A couple

1154
00:56:17,200 --> 00:56:18,960
Speaker 3: of things really quick, since we don't have a lot

1155
00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:19,960
Speaker 3: of time this segment.

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00:56:20,360 --> 00:56:22,000
Speaker 4: Are the Chiefs going to miss the postseason?

1157
00:56:22,920 --> 00:56:23,760
Speaker 3: Oh?

1158
00:56:23,840 --> 00:56:26,160
Speaker 4: Six and six, two games out of.

1159
00:56:26,080 --> 00:56:29,640
Speaker 3: A wildcard spot and their schedules not cake the rest

1160
00:56:29,640 --> 00:56:34,200
Speaker 3: of the way either? Oh? They I don't think Texans.

1161
00:56:34,200 --> 00:56:36,759
Speaker 3: They've still They've still got the Chargers and the Broncos

1162
00:56:36,760 --> 00:56:38,560
Speaker 3: on the schedule, forget that. Have they got the Texans

1163
00:56:38,560 --> 00:56:42,000
Speaker 3: and the Texans who just sacked Josh Allen eight times?

1164
00:56:42,040 --> 00:56:44,680
Speaker 3: Texans are getting hot at the right time. I'm saying, now,

1165
00:56:44,920 --> 00:56:48,600
Speaker 3: Chiefs out of the playoffs. They don't make it. I'm

1166
00:56:48,640 --> 00:56:51,600
Speaker 3: with you, I don't make it. I don't make it.

1167
00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:58,000
Speaker 3: And pause infinitely the goat conversation regarding Patrick.

1168
00:56:57,680 --> 00:57:00,560
Speaker 4: Mahomes if he misses the postseason.

1169
00:57:02,320 --> 00:57:04,840
Speaker 2: Again, not that he's not awesome now he's going to

1170
00:57:04,840 --> 00:57:08,520
Speaker 2: go to the Hall of Fame, but in his prime,

1171
00:57:08,880 --> 00:57:10,920
Speaker 2: with it never being easier to make the postseason, if

1172
00:57:10,920 --> 00:57:13,040
Speaker 2: he's on the outside looking in, ye, spare me with

1173
00:57:13,080 --> 00:57:13,800
Speaker 2: that goat talk.

1174
00:57:14,040 --> 00:57:17,560
Speaker 3: Now, opposite, if they sneak into the playoffs, you don't

1175
00:57:17,560 --> 00:57:19,080
Speaker 3: want to see him. They very well could be the

1176
00:57:19,080 --> 00:57:22,040
Speaker 3: favorite in the AFC, right, That's how That's how open

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00:57:22,080 --> 00:57:25,200
Speaker 3: the AFC is that if they got in, they would

1178
00:57:25,200 --> 00:57:26,560
Speaker 3: probably be the betting favorite.

1179
00:57:27,160 --> 00:57:29,440
Speaker 4: Are you are you buying into the Bears?

1180
00:57:29,840 --> 00:57:33,400
Speaker 3: No? I can't get sold on the Bears yet because

1181
00:57:33,400 --> 00:57:37,800
Speaker 3: I watch what Joe Flacco did to him. Yeah, gosh,

1182
00:57:38,000 --> 00:57:40,280
Speaker 3: you know what we're gonna be doing at the end

1183
00:57:40,280 --> 00:57:42,040
Speaker 3: of the day, it's gonna come down to having the

1184
00:57:42,040 --> 00:57:43,840
Speaker 3: same conversation of man, if they had just beat the

1185
00:57:43,920 --> 00:57:47,240
Speaker 3: Jets and the Bears, they had just won those two games,

1186
00:57:48,120 --> 00:57:51,360
Speaker 3: They're right where they need to be. It's it's crazy.

1187
00:57:51,840 --> 00:57:55,040
Speaker 3: I'm not sold on either ten win team. I'm not

1188
00:57:55,120 --> 00:57:57,040
Speaker 3: sold on the Patriots yet or the Broncos.

1189
00:57:57,120 --> 00:57:59,479
Speaker 2: I'm more sold on the Patriots because I think May

1190
00:57:59,880 --> 00:58:04,120
Speaker 2: is just more talented than Knicks, but the.

1191
00:58:04,040 --> 00:58:06,440
Speaker 3: Bengals made him look like a young quarterback.

1192
00:58:06,040 --> 00:58:08,600
Speaker 4: At the time for don about it. And I sold

1193
00:58:08,640 --> 00:58:10,600
Speaker 4: on the Jaguars No.

1194
00:58:10,560 --> 00:58:13,640
Speaker 3: Although I do think in today's NFL, who should I

1195
00:58:13,680 --> 00:58:16,080
Speaker 3: be sold on? I think coaching matters today more than

1196
00:58:16,080 --> 00:58:18,480
Speaker 3: it ever has, right and I think like Liam Cohen

1197
00:58:18,920 --> 00:58:20,200
Speaker 3: makes a difference for the Jacks.

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Speaker 4: Colts have turned into a pumpkin. The Ravens don't look

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Speaker 4: very good.

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00:58:22,760 --> 00:58:26,840
Speaker 3: But like Vrabel Sean Payton have made huge differences in

1201
00:58:26,840 --> 00:58:27,720
Speaker 3: Denver and New England.

1202
00:58:27,920 --> 00:58:30,520
Speaker 2: The Texans are awesome on defense, but right now still

1203
00:58:30,520 --> 00:58:31,600
Speaker 2: on the outside looking in.

1204
00:58:31,760 --> 00:58:32,880
Speaker 3: Chargers have too many injuries.

1205
00:58:32,880 --> 00:58:35,040
Speaker 4: Buffalo has been great at home, I don't trust him

1206
00:58:35,040 --> 00:58:39,480
Speaker 4: on the road. I mean, like it is and you

1207
00:58:39,480 --> 00:58:41,120
Speaker 4: can say this about Kansas City, you can say this

1208
00:58:41,160 --> 00:58:44,360
Speaker 4: about Cincinnati. It is a just get in.

1209
00:58:44,600 --> 00:58:46,680
Speaker 3: And roll the dice sort of season where it doesn't

1210
00:58:46,720 --> 00:58:49,280
Speaker 3: feel like in recent years in the AFC there's been

1211
00:58:49,280 --> 00:58:54,240
Speaker 3: a big three and a big three this year. Uh,

1212
00:58:54,400 --> 00:58:56,360
Speaker 3: but you can argue that in the NFC too. I

1213
00:58:56,400 --> 00:58:59,720
Speaker 3: still really like the ram I do too. Like inexplicable

1214
00:58:59,720 --> 00:59:05,240
Speaker 3: loss Carolina. Yeah, tough weather conditions, but like Philly, they're

1215
00:59:05,240 --> 00:59:08,160
Speaker 3: not dominating right now. Tampa's got a ton of injuries.

1216
00:59:08,200 --> 00:59:10,000
Speaker 4: Philly's offense is hard to watch.

1217
00:59:10,080 --> 00:59:12,680
Speaker 3: You know, it might be Seattle might be the team

1218
00:59:12,720 --> 00:59:15,600
Speaker 3: that's just flying under the radar. I mean, they dominated

1219
00:59:15,680 --> 00:59:17,080
Speaker 3: last night and Darnold.

1220
00:59:16,720 --> 00:59:21,120
Speaker 4: Was okay, okay, Yeah.

1221
00:59:20,360 --> 00:59:23,280
Speaker 3: Like San Francisco, but they've not played anybody yet.

1222
00:59:23,320 --> 00:59:25,080
Speaker 4: Another injury yesterday.

1223
00:59:25,240 --> 00:59:29,120
Speaker 3: Dallas can be interesting if they keep winning that defense.

1224
00:59:29,600 --> 00:59:32,800
Speaker 3: Quentin Williams scraping Detroit off the plate. No, I still

1225
00:59:32,840 --> 00:59:34,440
Speaker 3: think I think them like the Chiefs. I think if

1226
00:59:34,440 --> 00:59:37,080
Speaker 3: they get in they're hard to beat. But I think

1227
00:59:37,080 --> 00:59:39,480
Speaker 3: you're finally starting to see a little bit with Detroit,

1228
00:59:39,960 --> 00:59:43,720
Speaker 3: the lack of both coordinators getting hired elsewhere. It's just

1229
00:59:43,760 --> 00:59:45,280
Speaker 3: they've kind of scrambled a little bit.

1230
00:59:45,560 --> 00:59:48,360
Speaker 2: It is twenty eight away from five o'clock where it's

1231
00:59:48,360 --> 00:59:50,760
Speaker 2: win Peaks in Westchester. It is the Toni and Mo

1232
00:59:50,960 --> 00:59:54,240
Speaker 2: Football Show on ESPN fifteen to thirty, Cincinnati Sports Station.

1233
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Speaker 5: You've been listening to Football in the NATI on ESPN

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Speaker 5: fIF eighteen thirty, the official home of the Cincinnati Bengals.

1235
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Speaker 5: Cincinnati's ESPN fifteen thirty traffic from.

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Speaker 6: The UCE Health Traffic Center. You see Health's Weight Laws

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Speaker 6: toe three nine three nine twenty two sixty three. That's

1239
01:00:21,280 --> 01:00:24,760
Speaker 6: nine three nine twenty two sixty three southbound seventy five

1240
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Speaker 6: after the viaduct accident has our left lane blocked and

1241
01:00:28,280 --> 01:00:30,320
Speaker 6: we have a crash in the left leane of seventy

1242
01:00:30,320 --> 01:00:33,320
Speaker 6: five northbound after two seventy five in Kentucky, delays are

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Speaker 6: back to turf Way and also the delays on seventy

1244
01:00:36,600 --> 01:00:39,800
Speaker 6: four westbound after Montana accident on the left shoulder. I'm

1245
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Speaker 6: Rick Shremp with traffic.

1246
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Speaker 3: This report is well.

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Speaker 1: This week the Bengals are bringing their own brand of

1248
01:00:46,360 --> 01:00:49,520
Speaker 1: football to Buffalo when they go hunting for a win.

1249
01:00:49,800 --> 01:00:52,000
Speaker 1: Did I tell you about the last time I was

1250
01:00:52,040 --> 01:00:56,080
Speaker 1: in below by eight fifty wings slathered in hot sauce.

1251
01:00:56,360 --> 01:00:59,120
Speaker 1: Let's just say I had to stampede my way to

1252
01:00:59,200 --> 01:01:03,560
Speaker 1: a stall and men's room. The Bengals title WIOS coverage

1253
01:01:03,640 --> 01:01:07,160
Speaker 1: begins at nine am Sunday. Stream for free are the

1254
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Speaker 1: new and improved iHeartRadio app or ESPN fifteen thirty, the

1255
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Speaker 1: official home of the Cincinnati Bengals.

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Speaker 2: Its headlines are a service of Kelsey Chevrolet, home of

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Speaker 2: lifetime Howards, rain protection and guarantee credit approval from their

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Speaker 2: family to yours for life Kelsey, excuse me, kelseyshev dot Com.

1259
01:01:28,600 --> 01:01:33,360
Speaker 2: Zach Taylor today says Trey Hendrickson still doubtful. Bengals getting

1260
01:01:33,400 --> 01:01:36,240
Speaker 2: set to take on the Bills on Sunday. T Higgins

1261
01:01:36,240 --> 01:01:40,880
Speaker 2: and todge Brooks both remain in the NFL's concussion protocol.

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01:01:40,960 --> 01:01:44,439
Speaker 3: Cincinnati in Buffalo on Sunday, kickoff at one pm.

1263
01:01:44,520 --> 01:01:46,600
Speaker 4: The game live on ESPN fifteen thirty.

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01:01:46,960 --> 01:01:49,440
Speaker 2: You could also listen to Bengals line tonight on ESPN

1265
01:01:49,480 --> 01:01:54,040
Speaker 2: fifteen thirty starting at six p m. Monday Night football

1266
01:01:54,120 --> 01:01:58,160
Speaker 2: is on Fox Sports thirteen sixty Giants and Patriots that

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Speaker 2: will air after the March Stoop now the Mark Pope

1268
01:02:01,280 --> 01:02:04,360
Speaker 2: Show at seven and on the schedule the Mark Stoops

1269
01:02:04,360 --> 01:02:05,080
Speaker 2: Show at six.

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Speaker 4: I've never been more intrigued.

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01:02:06,720 --> 01:02:09,040
Speaker 3: Do you think they do like a best of Mark Stoops?

1272
01:02:09,080 --> 01:02:11,400
Speaker 3: I think Mark Stoops, who they're paying like thirty four

1273
01:02:11,480 --> 01:02:13,560
Speaker 3: million dollars to go away, should show up and do

1274
01:02:13,640 --> 01:02:16,200
Speaker 3: the show. Yeah, that's what I worked like, bore people

1275
01:02:16,240 --> 01:02:18,920
Speaker 3: to death one last time. Holidays Chris that we do

1276
01:02:19,000 --> 01:02:21,000
Speaker 3: best of shows at the station. You have a best

1277
01:02:21,080 --> 01:02:23,479
Speaker 3: of Mark Stoops. Could you get an hour of Mark

1278
01:02:23,520 --> 01:02:27,360
Speaker 3: Stoops that we would be considered best of good? It's

1279
01:02:27,360 --> 01:02:30,560
Speaker 3: a good question. That's a good question.

1280
01:02:30,640 --> 01:02:32,640
Speaker 2: Hockey Mark Stoops, if you don't know, has been fired

1281
01:02:32,640 --> 01:02:37,400
Speaker 2: by Kentucky Hockey. Tonight, Jackets and Devils in New Jersey

1282
01:02:37,400 --> 01:02:40,920
Speaker 2: Tony and Moll Football Show on ESPN fifteen thirty Moeger

1283
01:02:41,000 --> 01:02:43,240
Speaker 2: with Tony Pike. I have yet to throw at the pole.

1284
01:02:43,360 --> 01:02:45,720
Speaker 2: Question which I need to do is Alt Golden deserve

1285
01:02:46,200 --> 01:02:48,120
Speaker 2: to have the D back in his name? After a

1286
01:02:48,200 --> 01:02:53,120
Speaker 2: Thursday night's performance a lot on the Bengals between now

1287
01:02:53,120 --> 01:02:55,360
Speaker 2: on six o'clock. You know here Zach Taylor's press conference

1288
01:02:55,400 --> 01:02:57,200
Speaker 2: coming up. We got a request for you to talk

1289
01:02:57,200 --> 01:02:59,600
Speaker 2: about Lane Kiffin will do that in the five o'clock hour.

1290
01:03:00,240 --> 01:03:02,920
Speaker 2: We did some college football earlier. Ryan Day got the

1291
01:03:02,960 --> 01:03:06,600
Speaker 2: monkey off his back. Here's my take. Okay, you're not

1292
01:03:06,640 --> 01:03:09,320
Speaker 2: an Ohio State fan. I'm not an Ohio State fan.

1293
01:03:10,080 --> 01:03:11,840
Speaker 2: I think Ryan Day is an easy guy to root for.

1294
01:03:12,640 --> 01:03:16,360
Speaker 2: I think that guy took an avalanche of crap last year,

1295
01:03:16,920 --> 01:03:20,320
Speaker 2: and it was admirable the way he handled it. He

1296
01:03:20,400 --> 01:03:23,440
Speaker 2: obviously kept his team together well enough to win a

1297
01:03:23,560 --> 01:03:27,960
Speaker 2: national championship, and yet with that very weird dynamic, the

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Speaker 2: defending national champs, an undefeated team this year, you still

1299
01:03:32,720 --> 01:03:33,560
Speaker 2: heard gotta.

1300
01:03:33,360 --> 01:03:34,400
Speaker 4: Get the monkey off his back.

1301
01:03:41,520 --> 01:03:43,840
Speaker 2: It's the game, and I think the way he handled

1302
01:03:43,840 --> 01:03:46,480
Speaker 2: things after the game, I like Ryan Day.

1303
01:03:46,520 --> 01:03:49,200
Speaker 3: Man. Yeah, I think like you said, I think he's

1304
01:03:49,200 --> 01:03:52,600
Speaker 3: an easy guy to root for. I think so much

1305
01:03:52,640 --> 01:03:55,120
Speaker 3: has made about that game, and you see why, Yeah,

1306
01:03:55,160 --> 01:03:57,360
Speaker 3: that you just get tied to that outside of what

1307
01:03:57,600 --> 01:04:00,400
Speaker 3: I mean. They you mentioned, You've mentioned it a couple weeks.

1308
01:04:01,040 --> 01:04:04,520
Speaker 3: They've been so dominant that they're almost an afterthought. That's

1309
01:04:04,560 --> 01:04:07,600
Speaker 3: how good they are. It's like Ohio State and then

1310
01:04:07,640 --> 01:04:09,880
Speaker 3: a significant gap, and then let's talk about all the

1311
01:04:09,920 --> 01:04:13,800
Speaker 3: other drama in college football. That's how good they've been.

1312
01:04:13,880 --> 01:04:17,440
Speaker 3: From the game itself, you know, I think if you're Michigan,

1313
01:04:18,120 --> 01:04:20,080
Speaker 3: you were essentially down to your third running back Jordan

1314
01:04:20,120 --> 01:04:23,400
Speaker 3: Marshall started great negative eight rushing yards in the second half,

1315
01:04:24,040 --> 01:04:26,040
Speaker 3: and a quarterback that you paid a ton of money

1316
01:04:26,040 --> 01:04:31,200
Speaker 3: to almost unwilling to throw the ball was Michigan. It

1317
01:04:31,240 --> 01:04:35,520
Speaker 3: was unbelievable to watch that game was over when it

1318
01:04:35,560 --> 01:04:38,560
Speaker 3: was six nothing, because Michigan takes the opening drive and

1319
01:04:38,560 --> 01:04:40,200
Speaker 3: they go down the field and they settle for three,

1320
01:04:40,720 --> 01:04:43,160
Speaker 3: and then Michigan gets an interception and they settle for

1321
01:04:43,160 --> 01:04:46,080
Speaker 3: three again, not converting neither of those two touchdowns. It

1322
01:04:46,160 --> 01:04:48,760
Speaker 3: felt like at that time, like that's probably it game over.

1323
01:04:50,040 --> 01:04:53,720
Speaker 3: Handicap Indiana and Ohio State for me, I haven't watched

1324
01:04:53,800 --> 01:04:57,200
Speaker 3: enough of Indiana, and I know Kurtzignetti is an awesome,

1325
01:04:57,360 --> 01:04:59,360
Speaker 3: awesome coach, and he's got a good team, and I've

1326
01:04:59,400 --> 01:05:03,120
Speaker 3: googled him, and I understand all of that. I just

1327
01:05:03,120 --> 01:05:05,479
Speaker 3: think Ohio State is in such a class of their own.

1328
01:05:07,480 --> 01:05:10,440
Speaker 3: It's interesting, though. Talked about this a little bit on

1329
01:05:10,480 --> 01:05:15,080
Speaker 3: the on three sixty today. If you're Signetti, are you

1330
01:05:15,200 --> 01:05:20,160
Speaker 3: throwing everything in the kitchen sink at this game. You

1331
01:05:20,240 --> 01:05:22,840
Speaker 3: know it's because if you win. I heard you talk

1332
01:05:22,880 --> 01:05:25,920
Speaker 3: about this and I went back and forth. Go ahead,

1333
01:05:25,920 --> 01:05:27,680
Speaker 3: because you want to win a Big ten title. Yeah,

1334
01:05:28,080 --> 01:05:30,680
Speaker 3: you want, you want to have that honor. It's Indiana,

1335
01:05:30,880 --> 01:05:34,360
Speaker 3: But you're also how many Big ten titles Indiana gonna get?

1336
01:05:34,440 --> 01:05:36,720
Speaker 3: You're also in the playoff regardless, and there's a chance

1337
01:05:37,000 --> 01:05:39,480
Speaker 3: if things go that way, you're gonna play Ohio State again?

1338
01:05:40,320 --> 01:05:44,080
Speaker 3: Are you willing to throw everything at him? I'm not

1339
01:05:44,080 --> 01:05:46,120
Speaker 3: saying you're not gonna try, but are you gonna You're

1340
01:05:46,120 --> 01:05:48,439
Speaker 3: gonna make the offense or the game plan a little

1341
01:05:48,440 --> 01:05:50,680
Speaker 3: more vanilla than maybe you would in the Playoffs're.

1342
01:05:50,240 --> 01:05:52,760
Speaker 4: Not gonna throw the kitchen sink at him. But I

1343
01:05:52,960 --> 01:05:54,840
Speaker 4: I would.

1344
01:05:54,720 --> 01:05:57,400
Speaker 2: Like to think that if I'm Kurtzinetti, I'm creative enough

1345
01:05:57,440 --> 01:06:00,880
Speaker 2: to come up with ways to beat Ohio State. I mean, look,

1346
01:06:01,280 --> 01:06:03,920
Speaker 2: in the NFL, you play teams twice. Yeah you know,

1347
01:06:04,120 --> 01:06:06,600
Speaker 2: do you well? And the stakes will be different.

1348
01:06:06,680 --> 01:06:11,960
Speaker 3: Sure, it's Indiana competing for a Big ten title, like

1349
01:06:12,560 --> 01:06:13,800
Speaker 3: you can't who knows.

1350
01:06:13,640 --> 01:06:16,720
Speaker 4: Who you're gonna play? What's gonna happen in the playoff?

1351
01:06:17,800 --> 01:06:20,160
Speaker 2: You're gonna have to win multiple games just to get

1352
01:06:20,200 --> 01:06:21,680
Speaker 2: to the national championship game.

1353
01:06:21,720 --> 01:06:22,240
Speaker 3: Who knows.

1354
01:06:22,520 --> 01:06:24,280
Speaker 2: What you do know is you have an opportunity in

1355
01:06:24,320 --> 01:06:27,680
Speaker 2: front of you, in your home state to do something

1356
01:06:27,720 --> 01:06:31,480
Speaker 2: that when he got hired, nobody thought was conceivable. I'm

1357
01:06:31,520 --> 01:06:34,040
Speaker 2: taking advantage of that opportunity. But I get it, like,

1358
01:06:34,080 --> 01:06:37,320
Speaker 2: are you gonna just put everything you conceivably.

1359
01:06:36,800 --> 01:06:37,560
Speaker 4: Can on tape?

1360
01:06:37,760 --> 01:06:41,400
Speaker 2: Maybe not, I do. I heard on TV on Saturday

1361
01:06:41,440 --> 01:06:43,440
Speaker 2: it's gonna be the game of the century. I would stop.

1362
01:06:43,200 --> 01:06:45,520
Speaker 4: Short of that. Yeah, that's let's but it is one.

1363
01:06:46,280 --> 01:06:50,200
Speaker 2: It is one versus two, and it's Ohio State, the

1364
01:06:50,480 --> 01:06:54,160
Speaker 2: school most associated with the Big Ten, and Indiana, who's

1365
01:06:54,160 --> 01:06:55,760
Speaker 2: most associated with basketball.

1366
01:06:56,000 --> 01:06:58,560
Speaker 3: I think it's gonna be a really fun game. I

1367
01:06:58,600 --> 01:07:01,880
Speaker 3: just think got too much agreed. It's to me, it's

1368
01:07:01,880 --> 01:07:05,080
Speaker 3: such a sizeable gap, Like I was. I've had a

1369
01:07:05,080 --> 01:07:08,160
Speaker 3: conversation about Notre Dame off air a little bit today,

1370
01:07:08,200 --> 01:07:12,320
Speaker 3: like does Notre Dame belong? Do they not belong? Like

1371
01:07:12,760 --> 01:07:14,520
Speaker 3: I always go back to, like if the team's played

1372
01:07:14,560 --> 01:07:20,200
Speaker 3: heads up, who's favored outside of probably Ohio State, in

1373
01:07:20,200 --> 01:07:22,840
Speaker 3: Indiana and maybe Georgia. I think Notre Dame would be

1374
01:07:22,840 --> 01:07:25,840
Speaker 3: favored against every other playoff Tree. Yeah, I don't. I

1375
01:07:25,840 --> 01:07:29,120
Speaker 3: don't think that's the same for Miami. No, I don't.

1376
01:07:29,400 --> 01:07:31,920
Speaker 3: I don't think that's the same for Oklahoma. No. So

1377
01:07:32,120 --> 01:07:34,080
Speaker 3: like I get that, like Notre Dame you lost to

1378
01:07:34,120 --> 01:07:37,280
Speaker 3: a and m you lost to Miami. I go on,

1379
01:07:37,320 --> 01:07:39,640
Speaker 3: how Vegas would respond? Can the Big Twelve get too?

1380
01:07:39,920 --> 01:07:42,280
Speaker 3: If BYU keeps it close? I think BYU has to

1381
01:07:42,280 --> 01:07:45,440
Speaker 3: beat Texas Tech. I think if if BYU loses, I

1382
01:07:45,440 --> 01:07:49,800
Speaker 3: think BYU's out, which then I think throws that the

1383
01:07:49,840 --> 01:07:54,120
Speaker 3: Big Twelve Bowl affiliations even crazier for the Bearcats.

1384
01:07:54,840 --> 01:07:55,040
Speaker 9: Uh.

1385
01:07:55,080 --> 01:07:56,600
Speaker 3: And we have our thoughts on that as well.

1386
01:07:58,120 --> 01:07:59,320
Speaker 4: I'm not sure we should share them.

1387
01:07:59,320 --> 01:08:01,400
Speaker 3: No, I don't want to share them, but because I

1388
01:08:01,400 --> 01:08:02,680
Speaker 3: know if I share them, and they're going to come

1389
01:08:02,680 --> 01:08:04,680
Speaker 3: true exactly, and there are things I don't want to

1390
01:08:04,720 --> 01:08:09,479
Speaker 3: come true. If BYU wins, it's a two bid league.

1391
01:08:09,560 --> 01:08:12,240
Speaker 3: If not, it's Texas Tech. And I think that lines

1392
01:08:12,280 --> 01:08:15,760
Speaker 3: like thirteen and a half I think I saw earlier

1393
01:08:15,760 --> 01:08:18,200
Speaker 3: Texas Tech's already a thirteen and a half point favorite.

1394
01:08:19,800 --> 01:08:21,920
Speaker 4: Texas Tech is a thirteen and a half point favorite.

1395
01:08:21,960 --> 01:08:26,920
Speaker 3: Yes, you know. Back to back mister football in Ohio

1396
01:08:28,200 --> 01:08:35,400
Speaker 3: at Mohler Nott Ponatowski is Kentucky. If Kentucky doesn't have

1397
01:08:35,439 --> 01:08:38,479
Speaker 3: a head coach in place, should Scott Sadderfield take a run?

1398
01:08:38,600 --> 01:08:41,759
Speaker 2: Of course he should. Let's let's spend a few minutes

1399
01:08:41,760 --> 01:08:45,120
Speaker 2: on Kentucky. So Mark Stoobs has been bounced to Mark Stoobs.

1400
01:08:45,960 --> 01:08:48,840
Speaker 2: The tires on Mark Stoops.

1401
01:08:48,920 --> 01:08:53,080
Speaker 3: Now we have multiple Jeff Ruby's restaurants in Cincinnati, so

1402
01:08:53,120 --> 01:08:55,760
Speaker 3: Mark Stubs would probably really like it here. He would.

1403
01:08:56,720 --> 01:08:59,599
Speaker 3: Then he'd be closer to you, though, Would he like that?

1404
01:09:00,040 --> 01:09:02,720
Speaker 2: Come on the show if he lived in Cincinnati, if

1405
01:09:02,760 --> 01:09:04,200
Speaker 2: he became a coach at U see he.

1406
01:09:04,760 --> 01:09:06,360
Speaker 3: Had quality, quality controls.

1407
01:09:06,720 --> 01:09:07,559
Speaker 4: Have you on the pregame?

1408
01:09:07,600 --> 01:09:08,679
Speaker 3: Director of common Sense?

1409
01:09:09,640 --> 01:09:12,919
Speaker 2: Mark Stuobs had seasons where he won ten games twice.

1410
01:09:13,360 --> 01:09:16,280
Speaker 2: He had years where he won Bowl games four consecutive times.

1411
01:09:16,320 --> 01:09:19,000
Speaker 2: They went to eight straight Bowl games between twenty sixteen

1412
01:09:19,400 --> 01:09:22,080
Speaker 2: and twenty twenty three. They put players in the NFL.

1413
01:09:22,640 --> 01:09:24,960
Speaker 2: The last couple of years that went sideways, just three

1414
01:09:24,960 --> 01:09:28,280
Speaker 2: and thirteen in the SEC. I'm not so much interested

1415
01:09:28,280 --> 01:09:30,640
Speaker 2: in Mark Stoobs. My question is how good of a

1416
01:09:30,720 --> 01:09:31,280
Speaker 2: job is that?

1417
01:09:33,960 --> 01:09:36,920
Speaker 3: If you look at their schedule next year, it's not

1418
01:09:36,960 --> 01:09:42,240
Speaker 3: a great job. I mean they you're you're never gonna

1419
01:09:42,240 --> 01:09:45,080
Speaker 3: be the top dog at your own school, at your

1420
01:09:45,080 --> 01:09:46,800
Speaker 3: own school, Like you're you're not gonna be the top

1421
01:09:46,840 --> 01:09:48,760
Speaker 3: dog at your own school, and you're not going to

1422
01:09:48,800 --> 01:09:54,200
Speaker 3: be the top dog in the SEC. There is a

1423
01:09:55,479 --> 01:09:58,320
Speaker 3: there's a limit to that. But I also wonder, like,

1424
01:09:59,000 --> 01:10:02,080
Speaker 3: are those the expectation coming in, Like maybe that's an

1425
01:10:02,080 --> 01:10:04,920
Speaker 3: easier expectation if you're only expected to win seven games

1426
01:10:05,560 --> 01:10:06,080
Speaker 3: eight games?

1427
01:10:06,080 --> 01:10:10,160
Speaker 2: That's the thing Like for years you said, well, they're

1428
01:10:10,160 --> 01:10:12,240
Speaker 2: never gonna win the SEC, and if they do, it's

1429
01:10:12,280 --> 01:10:15,120
Speaker 2: going to be sort of fluky. But like there, if

1430
01:10:15,120 --> 01:10:17,440
Speaker 2: you hire the right guy and do the right things financially,

1431
01:10:17,760 --> 01:10:18,919
Speaker 2: why can't you be Indiana?

1432
01:10:18,920 --> 01:10:21,040
Speaker 4: So now the SEC, I think is a different animal.

1433
01:10:21,439 --> 01:10:26,240
Speaker 2: Vanderbilts ranked currently number fourteenth with a guy who has

1434
01:10:26,280 --> 01:10:28,160
Speaker 2: a very good chance to win the Heisman Trophy, Like

1435
01:10:29,160 --> 01:10:31,800
Speaker 2: it's a little bit more doable, but there does seem

1436
01:10:31,840 --> 01:10:35,880
Speaker 2: to be a low ceiling there. And at the same time, dude,

1437
01:10:35,920 --> 01:10:39,479
Speaker 2: if you never really compete for an SEC title, but

1438
01:10:39,520 --> 01:10:42,400
Speaker 2: you go to bowl like Mark Stubs went thirty games

1439
01:10:42,439 --> 01:10:45,400
Speaker 2: under five hundred in the SEC and was pretty much

1440
01:10:45,439 --> 01:10:47,720
Speaker 2: say for a large chunk of that time.

1441
01:10:48,920 --> 01:10:50,479
Speaker 3: Next year. But he did the job, which was to

1442
01:10:50,479 --> 01:10:54,559
Speaker 3: get people to basketball season next year. This is Kentucky schedule,

1443
01:10:54,600 --> 01:11:01,920
Speaker 3: Youngstown State, South Alabama, Louisville, Alabama, Florida, LSU, Andy, Missouri, Oklahoma,

1444
01:11:01,960 --> 01:11:03,680
Speaker 3: South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas, A and AM.

1445
01:11:03,720 --> 01:11:05,320
Speaker 4: But can't we do that now in the SEC?

1446
01:11:05,439 --> 01:11:10,439
Speaker 3: Every year? With yes? But I just don't know. Again,

1447
01:11:11,360 --> 01:11:15,280
Speaker 3: if you think of the Big ten perennally three dominant

1448
01:11:15,320 --> 01:11:19,640
Speaker 3: teams and then the rest SEC, that can be yeah, eight,

1449
01:11:19,680 --> 01:11:21,400
Speaker 3: I just I don't think you're ever going to be

1450
01:11:21,520 --> 01:11:24,679
Speaker 3: that in the SEC. I think it's a fair question

1451
01:11:24,720 --> 01:11:27,639
Speaker 3: to ask, what's the quarterback depth chart at Kentucky look

1452
01:11:27,760 --> 01:11:29,960
Speaker 3: like any of those guys that want to make a

1453
01:11:30,000 --> 01:11:34,320
Speaker 3: trip quick north if the Bearcats are looking for not

1454
01:11:34,400 --> 01:11:36,120
Speaker 3: the one that was doing all those stuff with money.

1455
01:11:36,920 --> 01:11:38,559
Speaker 3: I don't remember that guy's name. I don't want him

1456
01:11:38,640 --> 01:11:41,840
Speaker 3: up here though, any quarterback that might be thinking like,

1457
01:11:41,880 --> 01:11:44,120
Speaker 3: all right, where can I go and play? For an

1458
01:11:44,120 --> 01:11:47,400
Speaker 3: offensive mind to coach, it's also.

1459
01:11:47,200 --> 01:11:49,559
Speaker 4: A year like Scott Saderfield here there.

1460
01:11:50,200 --> 01:11:53,160
Speaker 2: That job in particular, it's a loaded cycle, like a

1461
01:11:53,160 --> 01:11:57,240
Speaker 2: ton of ton of gigs are open. Yeah, and so

1462
01:11:57,680 --> 01:12:00,439
Speaker 2: it's weird do you want an opening him Canucky has

1463
01:12:00,479 --> 01:12:02,519
Speaker 2: decided yes, But do you want an opening in a

1464
01:12:02,600 --> 01:12:05,600
Speaker 2: year where there's a lot of vacancies or do you

1465
01:12:05,600 --> 01:12:07,400
Speaker 2: want an opening in a year like last year where

1466
01:12:07,400 --> 01:12:09,840
Speaker 2: there's Like last year folks made the argument that you

1467
01:12:09,880 --> 01:12:12,080
Speaker 2: see should move on from centerfield, and one of the

1468
01:12:12,920 --> 01:12:15,280
Speaker 2: one of the one of the foundational pieces of the

1469
01:12:15,400 --> 01:12:17,439
Speaker 2: argument was there's not a lot of openings, so you

1470
01:12:17,439 --> 01:12:20,160
Speaker 2: can have more year pick of the litter. Yeah, that's

1471
01:12:20,240 --> 01:12:21,360
Speaker 2: not the case this year.

1472
01:12:21,680 --> 01:12:24,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, I thought it was interesting with that, Like, and

1473
01:12:24,360 --> 01:12:27,160
Speaker 3: I saw some Kentucky people talking about this of did

1474
01:12:27,200 --> 01:12:29,400
Speaker 3: they wait too long to move on from stoops because

1475
01:12:29,400 --> 01:12:31,439
Speaker 3: of all the hires that have already been made, right

1476
01:12:31,560 --> 01:12:33,479
Speaker 3: because now like you're kind of at the back end

1477
01:12:34,040 --> 01:12:35,000
Speaker 3: of the higher cycle.

1478
01:12:35,120 --> 01:12:36,639
Speaker 2: This to me, and we're going to talk more about

1479
01:12:36,680 --> 01:12:38,439
Speaker 2: Lane Kiffin in a bit, but like this to me

1480
01:12:38,600 --> 01:12:41,519
Speaker 2: is kind of a byproduct of that is now schools

1481
01:12:41,520 --> 01:12:44,480
Speaker 2: and you saw what happened this year, schools moved on quickly, Ucla,

1482
01:12:44,640 --> 01:12:46,120
Speaker 2: VA Tech, Penn State.

1483
01:12:46,120 --> 01:12:47,880
Speaker 3: Whole bunch of them, Mischigan State.

1484
01:12:48,600 --> 01:12:50,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, now is there going to be this like get

1485
01:12:50,640 --> 01:12:52,720
Speaker 2: rid of the guy as quickly as possible.

1486
01:12:52,280 --> 01:12:55,160
Speaker 4: And now we can hire his successor.

1487
01:12:54,640 --> 01:12:57,080
Speaker 2: As quickly as possible, even if his team still has

1488
01:12:57,120 --> 01:12:57,719
Speaker 2: games remaining.

1489
01:12:58,439 --> 01:13:01,360
Speaker 3: It's it's just it's an insane world with the buyouts.

1490
01:13:01,920 --> 01:13:04,040
Speaker 3: I mean, Michigan State paid what thirty three million?

1491
01:13:04,120 --> 01:13:07,040
Speaker 4: Stoops is getting thirty seven thirty seven million dollars.

1492
01:13:07,080 --> 01:13:10,400
Speaker 3: Rian Kelly just got fifty four just to be fired.

1493
01:13:12,560 --> 01:13:13,320
Speaker 3: What's your buyout?

1494
01:13:13,960 --> 01:13:17,000
Speaker 4: My buyout is not thirty seven million dollars. Bottle this bottle,

1495
01:13:17,040 --> 01:13:19,760
Speaker 4: that bottle of Buffalo trace right there. That's gonna be

1496
01:13:19,800 --> 01:13:20,840
Speaker 4: my buyout again.

1497
01:13:20,960 --> 01:13:24,839
Speaker 2: Call me on Friday night, eleven away from five o'clock, Bengals.

1498
01:13:24,840 --> 01:13:27,800
Speaker 2: When the door is opened, Joe Burrow is back. Cincinnati

1499
01:13:27,840 --> 01:13:31,639
Speaker 2: beats Baltimore. They played Baltimore again. Pittsburgh and the Ravens

1500
01:13:32,000 --> 01:13:35,400
Speaker 2: are tied for first place with five hundred records. Because

1501
01:13:35,439 --> 01:13:38,639
Speaker 2: those are teams that are look like five hundred teams.

1502
01:13:38,640 --> 01:13:40,960
Speaker 2: If that makes sense, We'll get to that. I'll make

1503
01:13:41,040 --> 01:13:43,479
Speaker 2: that make sense. Coming up here at the top of

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Speaker 6: It's nine three nine twenty two sixty three South Boon

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Speaker 6: seventy five after the viaduct accident has our left lane

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Speaker 6: of seventy five Northboun after two seventy five in Kentucky,

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Speaker 6: delays are back to turf Way and also the delays

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Speaker 6: on seventy four westbound after Montana accident on the left shoulder.

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Speaker 1: This week, the Bengals are bringing their own brand of

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Speaker 1: football to Buffalo when they go hunting for a win.

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Speaker 2: we're gonna take a request.

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Speaker 4: You come to the show and you're allowed to make requests.

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Speaker 3: Yep.

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Speaker 2: So, gentlemen, wanted to hear your thoughts on Lane Kiffin.

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Speaker 2: We'll get to that a little bit later on.

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Speaker 4: I did.

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Speaker 2: you can get here in the next few minutes, or

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Speaker 4: Finally thrown my poll question out there. Cal al Goldan

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Speaker 4: is what we have referred to the defensive coordinator.

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Speaker 3: I have taken the D out of Al Golden's name.

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Speaker 2: Because his defense has been historically bad, but it's played

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01:17:08,840 --> 01:17:12,040
Speaker 2: better recently, and so is it time to start referring

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Speaker 2: to him as his given name.

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Speaker 4: Gold Golden put the D back in it.

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Speaker 3: Now that I see folks signing up right now, someone

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Speaker 3: that doesn't live here in Ohio or you would you

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Speaker 3: deliver out of state?

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Speaker 4: Where do they live?

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01:17:32,160 --> 01:17:33,479
Speaker 3: It's not close? Okay?

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Speaker 4: Where do they live?

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01:17:34,120 --> 01:17:38,320
Speaker 3: Is it warm? Uh no, it's not. It's not warm either. Okay,

1579
01:17:38,400 --> 01:17:42,360
Speaker 3: then no, okay. If it's warm, okay, I'll take that furniture.

1580
01:17:42,520 --> 01:17:45,400
Speaker 3: I'll drive the truck myself. Okay, But if I'm driving

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01:17:45,720 --> 01:17:49,200
Speaker 3: somewhere else cold, what's the point. Yeah, it's gonna be warm, warm,

1582
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Speaker 3: and neuropa ford it next week for that big announcement.

1583
01:17:52,320 --> 01:17:54,559
Speaker 2: Big announcement, find out who wins this thing. I'm looking

1584
01:17:54,600 --> 01:17:56,560
Speaker 2: forward to next week, especially if the Bengals beat the

1585
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Speaker 2: Buffalo bill Oh.

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Speaker 3: My gosh, if that happens, let's do like the playoff

1587
01:18:01,560 --> 01:18:03,080
Speaker 3: predictor let's just go all in.

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01:18:03,800 --> 01:18:08,600
Speaker 2: At that point, it's going to be game on Pittsburgh

1589
01:18:08,760 --> 01:18:11,720
Speaker 2: or Baltimore is going to lose. The Bengals played Baltimore

1590
01:18:11,760 --> 01:18:14,040
Speaker 2: one more time head to head after just beating them

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01:18:14,040 --> 01:18:17,719
Speaker 2: by eighteen points in their building. At that point, the Bengals,

1592
01:18:17,880 --> 01:18:20,360
Speaker 2: I think, are going to be favored at home against Baltimore.

1593
01:18:20,520 --> 01:18:22,839
Speaker 4: Yeah, probably favored on the road against Miami.

1594
01:18:22,920 --> 01:18:26,400
Speaker 2: The Dolphins are playing well, certainly favored against Arizona and Cleveland.

1595
01:18:27,720 --> 01:18:30,920
Speaker 4: This is I think this is an elimination game.

1596
01:18:31,000 --> 01:18:32,800
Speaker 2: I think if the Bengals lose to Buffalo, then there

1597
01:18:32,800 --> 01:18:35,639
Speaker 2: are three behind either Baltimore or Pittsburgh. Then the math

1598
01:18:35,680 --> 01:18:38,960
Speaker 2: gets real tough. I know folks will use the playoffs

1599
01:18:39,000 --> 01:18:41,960
Speaker 2: simulator to find a pathway to the Bengals being eight

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Speaker 2: to nine and still winning the division. But if they

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Speaker 2: win this one yeah game on tone, do.

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01:18:47,320 --> 01:18:51,160
Speaker 3: You think they will still get flexed against the Dolphins

1603
01:18:51,200 --> 01:18:52,280
Speaker 3: out of the primetime spot.

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01:18:52,320 --> 01:18:54,040
Speaker 4: It's a good question. I was thinking about that today.

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Speaker 3: I think there are some good I don't have the

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01:18:57,000 --> 01:18:59,040
Speaker 3: schedule in front of me, but I know that week

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01:18:59,120 --> 01:19:02,040
Speaker 3: there are some other marks key games in the NFL.

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Speaker 3: I think Chargers Cowboys is a one o'clock game that

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01:19:05,240 --> 01:19:08,519
Speaker 3: could have a little bit more significance potentially. Now.

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Speaker 4: I think if you're in the NFL, let's see that weekend.

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01:19:15,080 --> 01:19:18,760
Speaker 2: The Sunday games Chargers, Chargers, Cowboys.

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Speaker 3: You could probably make a case for Panthers, Bucks, Yeah.

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01:19:24,200 --> 01:19:30,120
Speaker 2: Patriots, Ravens, Jags, Broncos, Yeah, Steelers, Lions probably be flexed out.

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01:19:31,479 --> 01:19:35,040
Speaker 2: To me, there's a bunch of games there where both

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Speaker 2: teams have a chance. Yeah, my guess is that's Week sixteen.

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Speaker 2: By then either of the Bengals or Miami is going

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Speaker 2: to be eliminated.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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01:19:44,120 --> 01:19:47,720
Speaker 2: Like the game last night was awesome Denver and Washington.

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01:19:48,400 --> 01:19:50,720
Speaker 2: Washington has no prayer. That's not what you want if

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Speaker 2: you're INBC. So Joe Burrow is great TV. The Bengals

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01:19:55,640 --> 01:19:58,400
Speaker 2: have played a ton of interesting and fun primetime games.

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01:19:58,800 --> 01:20:00,960
Speaker 2: But if you're NBC and you a choice, you got

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Speaker 2: to make the decision by next Monday. If I'm not mistaken.

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01:20:03,320 --> 01:20:06,400
Speaker 2: Yeah right, we can have a couple of teams that

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01:20:06,479 --> 01:20:08,680
Speaker 2: we know pretty much are going to be in it,

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01:20:09,200 --> 01:20:11,720
Speaker 2: or these two teams where one may be eliminated or

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01:20:11,760 --> 01:20:14,600
Speaker 2: both may be eliminated. Hard pass on that. So my

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01:20:14,640 --> 01:20:17,400
Speaker 2: guess is it get it, gets flexed out. But we'll

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01:20:17,439 --> 01:20:19,679
Speaker 2: see what the Bengals do on Sunday against the Buffalo Bills.

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Speaker 2: The thing that stood out to me first about Thursday night,

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Speaker 2: we had all talked about Joe Burrow being under center.

1633
01:20:26,200 --> 01:20:29,280
Speaker 2: He played under center, not exclusively, but you know what,

1634
01:20:29,320 --> 01:20:30,080
Speaker 2: he looked comfortable.

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01:20:30,560 --> 01:20:32,760
Speaker 3: First play the game, he went under center, play action

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01:20:32,800 --> 01:20:35,000
Speaker 3: and rolled off to his left. It's probably the hardest

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01:20:35,040 --> 01:20:36,400
Speaker 3: thing you can ask him to do, and he, yeah,

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01:20:36,560 --> 01:20:40,000
Speaker 3: checked that box right away. I mean, I'm still shocked

1639
01:20:40,000 --> 01:20:43,280
Speaker 3: that he's playing like it was surreal Thursday night. Yeah,

1640
01:20:43,360 --> 01:20:46,800
Speaker 3: because we were conditioned based on the severity of the

1641
01:20:46,840 --> 01:20:52,839
Speaker 3: injury that if this was going to happen, you're thinking Miami,

1642
01:20:53,520 --> 01:20:55,360
Speaker 3: and then by that point you're like, what's the point

1643
01:20:55,360 --> 01:20:57,559
Speaker 3: You'll see him next year. The fact that he was

1644
01:20:57,640 --> 01:21:01,560
Speaker 3: back and people pull he could have played against the Patriots,

1645
01:21:02,200 --> 01:21:02,879
Speaker 3: it's incredible.

1646
01:21:04,120 --> 01:21:04,640
Speaker 4: Play against me.

1647
01:21:04,720 --> 01:21:06,800
Speaker 3: Incredible to even see that he was out there, let

1648
01:21:06,840 --> 01:21:10,040
Speaker 3: alone playing at a high level and dropping back to

1649
01:21:10,120 --> 01:21:12,440
Speaker 3: throw at forty six times. It's incredible.

1650
01:21:14,680 --> 01:21:18,880
Speaker 4: I look at the Bengals and I go, Okay, Burrow

1651
01:21:19,000 --> 01:21:21,679
Speaker 4: is back. We'll see if t Higgins comes back on Sunday.

1652
01:21:21,800 --> 01:21:25,040
Speaker 2: Still in the protocol, he's playing behind an improved offensive line.

1653
01:21:25,479 --> 01:21:30,200
Speaker 2: They're running the ball with effectiveness. Like if that's as

1654
01:21:30,280 --> 01:21:32,640
Speaker 2: bad as Joe Burrow plays, and he played early in

1655
01:21:32,640 --> 01:21:34,360
Speaker 2: the game, he looked like a guy who hadn't played

1656
01:21:34,360 --> 01:21:35,679
Speaker 2: in two and a half months.

1657
01:21:37,240 --> 01:21:38,840
Speaker 4: I assume it's only going to get better.

1658
01:21:38,920 --> 01:21:39,120
Speaker 3: Now.

1659
01:21:39,840 --> 01:21:41,960
Speaker 4: We'll see how the toe does well. You know, I

1660
01:21:41,960 --> 01:21:44,200
Speaker 4: don't know if that's the reason on Wednesday, but to

1661
01:21:44,240 --> 01:21:46,320
Speaker 4: me there was like, win the game and give me

1662
01:21:46,360 --> 01:21:48,240
Speaker 4: something to build on, and offensively they did that.

1663
01:21:48,680 --> 01:21:50,439
Speaker 3: But it also goes back to a point we talked

1664
01:21:50,479 --> 01:21:55,360
Speaker 3: about in the first hour. If you're the Bengals, are

1665
01:21:55,360 --> 01:21:57,120
Speaker 3: you able to rely on Chase Brown more than what

1666
01:21:57,200 --> 01:22:00,719
Speaker 3: you are? You have to You have to. Chase Brown

1667
01:22:00,760 --> 01:22:03,919
Speaker 3: got fifteen carries in the game. Yeah, p Ryan got fourteen.

1668
01:22:04,360 --> 01:22:05,439
Speaker 10: Yeah.

1669
01:22:05,479 --> 01:22:07,559
Speaker 3: I don't need it to be a fifty to fifty split.

1670
01:22:07,680 --> 01:22:12,000
Speaker 3: None who gets carries? No, with the Chase Brown I'm watching, Yeah,

1671
01:22:12,120 --> 01:22:14,480
Speaker 3: give me twenty to twenty five carries.

1672
01:22:14,240 --> 01:22:15,960
Speaker 4: From him, especially close to the goal line.

1673
01:22:15,960 --> 01:22:19,800
Speaker 3: Correct. I'm more than okay with getting that from Chase Brown.

1674
01:22:19,840 --> 01:22:22,000
Speaker 3: And again it's I know it's nitpicking because you won

1675
01:22:22,040 --> 01:22:25,439
Speaker 3: the game and you score thirty two points, but I

1676
01:22:26,000 --> 01:22:28,479
Speaker 3: like everything about what Chase Brown has done over the

1677
01:22:28,560 --> 01:22:31,400
Speaker 3: last month plus. I want more touches for him. I

1678
01:22:31,400 --> 01:22:34,799
Speaker 3: want you can alleviate some of those forty six dropouts.

1679
01:22:34,840 --> 01:22:37,680
Speaker 4: Well, Joe Burrow at halftime had thirty two thirty two

1680
01:22:37,760 --> 01:22:38,560
Speaker 4: pass attempts.

1681
01:22:39,760 --> 01:22:43,240
Speaker 2: That's not sustainable, Like, that's not going to work. I

1682
01:22:44,760 --> 01:22:46,599
Speaker 2: don't know what I was more stunned by in terms

1683
01:22:46,640 --> 01:22:50,439
Speaker 2: of coaching decision making. Baltimore only having Derrick Henry carry

1684
01:22:50,439 --> 01:22:52,760
Speaker 2: at five times in the first half cool or the

1685
01:22:52,800 --> 01:22:55,360
Speaker 2: Bengals having Joe Burrow drop back thirty two times in

1686
01:22:55,400 --> 01:22:58,519
Speaker 2: the first half insane. And look, they won the game,

1687
01:22:59,280 --> 01:23:02,000
Speaker 2: and Joe better as the game went on, and they've

1688
01:23:02,000 --> 01:23:04,479
Speaker 2: put themselves in a position that they at least are

1689
01:23:04,520 --> 01:23:08,200
Speaker 2: still playing for something. But oh boy, and it's great

1690
01:23:08,200 --> 01:23:11,000
Speaker 2: that Joe didn't turn it over and make any major mistakes. Yep,

1691
01:23:11,360 --> 01:23:14,639
Speaker 2: that many dropbacks coming off of toe surgery a lot.

1692
01:23:15,120 --> 01:23:16,760
Speaker 4: Again, I do stand with man.

1693
01:23:16,840 --> 01:23:19,040
Speaker 3: I do think the opponent plays into that because it's

1694
01:23:19,080 --> 01:23:21,160
Speaker 3: not a Baltimore team that gets after the passer, no,

1695
01:23:21,640 --> 01:23:24,120
Speaker 3: So I think there is an understanding there. It'll be

1696
01:23:24,160 --> 01:23:26,720
Speaker 3: interesting to see on the road at Buffalo if that

1697
01:23:26,800 --> 01:23:28,040
Speaker 3: strategy changes at all.

1698
01:23:28,560 --> 01:23:30,479
Speaker 4: I would imagine, right, it would have to.

1699
01:23:30,960 --> 01:23:33,439
Speaker 3: And again, like when the game dictates that, I get it,

1700
01:23:33,760 --> 01:23:36,760
Speaker 3: you're down multiple scores and then you got to they

1701
01:23:36,760 --> 01:23:41,439
Speaker 3: were ahead. They were ahead thirty two times in the

1702
01:23:41,479 --> 01:23:43,600
Speaker 3: first half. I'm like, I looked at that number. I

1703
01:23:43,600 --> 01:23:47,000
Speaker 3: was like, that's got to be wrong. And I do

1704
01:23:47,080 --> 01:23:49,599
Speaker 3: think I think there's some level to it as well,

1705
01:23:49,640 --> 01:23:52,719
Speaker 3: where Joe's probably maybe checking out of there's run pass

1706
01:23:52,760 --> 01:23:54,360
Speaker 3: option and he's taking the easy throws.

1707
01:23:54,400 --> 01:23:54,800
Speaker 4: I get it.

1708
01:23:55,520 --> 01:23:57,559
Speaker 3: Forty six is a lot in.

1709
01:23:57,520 --> 01:24:00,559
Speaker 2: A game that you won by eighteen points, right, you know,

1710
01:24:01,520 --> 01:24:04,439
Speaker 2: we use the comparison to his second ever NFL game

1711
01:24:04,439 --> 01:24:07,400
Speaker 2: against the Browns. He threw it sixty one times. They

1712
01:24:07,479 --> 01:24:10,559
Speaker 2: trailed that entire game. That defense was also not very good,

1713
01:24:10,560 --> 01:24:13,439
Speaker 2: at least that night, and so they kept having and

1714
01:24:13,600 --> 01:24:15,400
Speaker 2: they kept needing to score to keep pace with the

1715
01:24:15,400 --> 01:24:17,760
Speaker 2: Browns in the game that they ultimately lost. But I'll

1716
01:24:17,760 --> 01:24:20,960
Speaker 2: say this, he dropped back forty six times. He missed

1717
01:24:21,000 --> 01:24:23,719
Speaker 2: some throws by his own admission, never threw a pick,

1718
01:24:24,479 --> 01:24:25,560
Speaker 2: made a mistake.

1719
01:24:25,320 --> 01:24:28,920
Speaker 4: No fumble, no fumble, nine different receivers, one sacks, spread

1720
01:24:28,960 --> 01:24:30,599
Speaker 4: the ball around, and didn't have t Higgins.

1721
01:24:30,720 --> 01:24:34,200
Speaker 3: Yep. I think that to me, like, and I know

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Speaker 3: it's too early in the week to start diving into

1723
01:24:36,280 --> 01:24:40,920
Speaker 3: the Buffalo tape and game. They are a lot easier

1724
01:24:40,960 --> 01:24:44,000
Speaker 3: to guard, and that's not rocket science. They're easier to guard.

1725
01:24:44,000 --> 01:24:48,559
Speaker 3: If he's not playing in Buffalo, you're asking a lot.

1726
01:24:48,640 --> 01:24:51,120
Speaker 3: If it's Jamar versus the world, and again you rely

1727
01:24:51,240 --> 01:24:55,240
Speaker 3: more on Chase Brown. Sure, awesome. Can they Can they

1728
01:24:55,280 --> 01:24:58,559
Speaker 3: go beat Buffalo without t Higgins? I think that'd be

1729
01:24:58,840 --> 01:25:02,719
Speaker 3: And again will from and we'll hear it. We've heard

1730
01:25:02,760 --> 01:25:06,280
Speaker 3: to this point he's still in concussion protocol as opposed

1731
01:25:06,280 --> 01:25:13,400
Speaker 3: to Trey Hendrickson, who is again doubtful on a Monday.

1732
01:25:13,560 --> 01:25:18,360
Speaker 2: The defense on Thursday was significantly better. Now, there were

1733
01:25:18,439 --> 01:25:24,000
Speaker 2: issues Barrett Carter, some of the tackling middle of the field. Look,

1734
01:25:24,040 --> 01:25:27,040
Speaker 2: if Isaiah likely doesn't fumble the ball going into the

1735
01:25:27,080 --> 01:25:29,839
Speaker 2: end zone, maybe the entire complexion of the game is different.

1736
01:25:30,400 --> 01:25:33,639
Speaker 2: But we got disruption up front. Joseph Osaiah was terrific.

1737
01:25:34,040 --> 01:25:37,200
Speaker 2: Miles Murphy has been really good, and so we've talked

1738
01:25:37,200 --> 01:25:40,280
Speaker 2: about all season long, like the defense has to start somewhere.

1739
01:25:40,320 --> 01:25:43,240
Speaker 2: You need something there. It is, there's the foundation.

1740
01:25:43,360 --> 01:25:45,759
Speaker 3: Jordan Battle made a great individual play on the likely fumble.

1741
01:25:46,120 --> 01:25:49,760
Speaker 3: Had ten tackles in the game. DJ Turner is a

1742
01:25:49,960 --> 01:25:52,400
Speaker 3: very good player, drew the offensive pass interference on his

1743
01:25:52,520 --> 01:25:56,800
Speaker 3: a Flowers touchdown. But to me, it's been Al Golden's

1744
01:25:56,800 --> 01:25:58,040
Speaker 3: our Golans.

1745
01:25:58,840 --> 01:26:01,439
Speaker 4: Now right now the internet says still out, it's been.

1746
01:26:01,360 --> 01:26:04,760
Speaker 3: Now Golan's decisions to bring more pressures that I think

1747
01:26:04,800 --> 01:26:07,800
Speaker 3: are paying off. This defense is not good enough to

1748
01:26:07,840 --> 01:26:12,520
Speaker 3: sit back and play drop seven. They've got to create opportunities.

1749
01:26:12,760 --> 01:26:16,040
Speaker 3: And they did five turnovers and you give them credit

1750
01:26:16,080 --> 01:26:19,439
Speaker 3: for what they were able to do. Now again, can

1751
01:26:19,479 --> 01:26:24,959
Speaker 3: you replicate that against a equally as mobile, less compromise

1752
01:26:25,080 --> 01:26:29,120
Speaker 3: quarterback Josh Allen not a ton of weapons around him

1753
01:26:29,160 --> 01:26:32,640
Speaker 3: in the passing game, but James Cook Josh Allen, that

1754
01:26:32,720 --> 01:26:35,840
Speaker 3: ground game is going to be tough. And again, if

1755
01:26:35,880 --> 01:26:38,960
Speaker 3: I'm Buffalo and I'm teams going forward now that Joe

1756
01:26:38,960 --> 01:26:42,240
Speaker 3: Burrow's back, the idea goes back to remaining let's limit

1757
01:26:42,280 --> 01:26:45,320
Speaker 3: their possessions as well. That means running the ball more

1758
01:26:45,960 --> 01:26:46,599
Speaker 3: really quick.

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01:26:47,439 --> 01:26:50,679
Speaker 2: You got a TV above your head and they're Sports Center.

1760
01:26:50,800 --> 01:26:54,559
Speaker 2: They just showed playing Kiffin the bottom line crawl. They

1761
01:26:54,560 --> 01:26:59,360
Speaker 2: were rolling through the college football conference title games. So

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01:26:59,680 --> 01:27:03,519
Speaker 2: ESP has this FPI and it says, for every single

1763
01:27:03,560 --> 01:27:06,679
Speaker 2: one of them, this is the percentage of a chance

1764
01:27:06,680 --> 01:27:10,360
Speaker 2: that FPI gives a team to win what would you

1765
01:27:10,439 --> 01:27:14,679
Speaker 2: guess ESPN's FPI says about Ohio State Michigan or Ohio

1766
01:27:14,680 --> 01:27:18,439
Speaker 2: State Indiana seventy Indiana fifty one percent?

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01:27:18,840 --> 01:27:21,479
Speaker 4: What basically a fifty to fifty game?

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01:27:22,200 --> 01:27:24,760
Speaker 3: All right, make that the line and I'll take it.

1769
01:27:26,360 --> 01:27:29,240
Speaker 3: Make that the line and fifty percent. I was surprised

1770
01:27:29,320 --> 01:27:31,200
Speaker 3: Texas Tech was minus thirteen and a half on the

1771
01:27:31,200 --> 01:27:31,680
Speaker 3: initial line.

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01:27:31,760 --> 01:27:33,599
Speaker 2: Number is big, and look like, I think it's cool

1773
01:27:33,640 --> 01:27:36,200
Speaker 2: as held that Indiana as good at that game, and

1774
01:27:36,400 --> 01:27:38,519
Speaker 2: I certainly give him a chance to win the football game.

1775
01:27:39,120 --> 01:27:40,960
Speaker 2: You I would have lost a lot of money on

1776
01:27:41,040 --> 01:27:42,840
Speaker 2: guessing what the FPI said about that game.

1777
01:27:42,920 --> 01:27:44,960
Speaker 3: Also, I know we gotta get a break in. Shout

1778
01:27:44,960 --> 01:27:46,519
Speaker 3: out to Miami football. Did it again?

1779
01:27:46,640 --> 01:27:47,160
Speaker 4: Did it again?

1780
01:27:47,280 --> 01:27:51,040
Speaker 3: Playing in another MAC championship game? And locally Anderson and

1781
01:27:51,120 --> 01:27:53,639
Speaker 3: Saint X awesome, both gonna be playing for state titles

1782
01:27:53,640 --> 01:27:54,080
Speaker 3: this weekend.

1783
01:27:54,120 --> 01:27:57,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's uh, it's really cool. Congratulations to both. Congratulations

1784
01:27:57,680 --> 01:27:58,479
Speaker 4: to Chuck Martin.

1785
01:27:58,720 --> 01:28:02,679
Speaker 3: Yeah, the whole different team as quarterback goes away, they're

1786
01:28:02,720 --> 01:28:04,080
Speaker 3: back in the MAC title game.

1787
01:28:04,120 --> 01:28:05,360
Speaker 4: Good, good for coach Martin.

1788
01:28:05,720 --> 01:28:08,719
Speaker 2: All right, by request, we'll ask Tony about Lane Kiffin

1789
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Speaker 2: when we come back Twin Peaks in Westchester, ESPN fifteen thirty.

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Speaker 5: on ESPN fifteenth, the official home of the Cincinnati Bengals.

1805
01:29:05,920 --> 01:29:08,880
Speaker 2: It's the Tony and Love Football Show, ESPN fifteen thirty.

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01:29:08,920 --> 01:29:12,240
Speaker 2: We're broadcasting from Twin Peaks in Westchester. We are back

1807
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Speaker 2: here a week from today, day after the Bengals take

1808
01:29:15,320 --> 01:29:20,240
Speaker 2: on the Buffalo Bills. The biggest story in sports involves

1809
01:29:21,080 --> 01:29:25,640
Speaker 2: former Ole Miss coach Lane Kiffin. Oh and this is

1810
01:29:25,920 --> 01:29:28,360
Speaker 2: this is something that to me was uninteresting and then

1811
01:29:28,439 --> 01:29:32,599
Speaker 2: has since become very interesting. Our guy herb who gave

1812
01:29:32,640 --> 01:29:34,840
Speaker 2: me a cigar and his step son gave us bourbon.

1813
01:29:34,920 --> 01:29:36,840
Speaker 2: We take requests on this show, and yes, if you're

1814
01:29:36,840 --> 01:29:38,639
Speaker 2: here in person, I want to hear Tony talk about

1815
01:29:38,720 --> 01:29:41,679
Speaker 2: Lane Kiffin. There's lots of different dynamics in play here,

1816
01:29:41,760 --> 01:29:45,360
Speaker 2: from how he handled it to what the school chose

1817
01:29:45,400 --> 01:29:49,000
Speaker 2: to do Old Miss yea to lsuse involvement to what

1818
01:29:49,040 --> 01:29:53,000
Speaker 2: the playoff selection committee may do with Old Miss. As

1819
01:29:53,040 --> 01:29:57,280
Speaker 2: a player though, who went through something similar, not the same,

1820
01:29:57,360 --> 01:30:00,720
Speaker 2: but similar with Brian Kelly sixteen year ago, you have

1821
01:30:00,760 --> 01:30:03,479
Speaker 2: a different perspective. I guess your thoughts on how this

1822
01:30:03,600 --> 01:30:05,240
Speaker 2: Lane Kiffen thing unfolded.

1823
01:30:04,960 --> 01:30:10,120
Speaker 3: One who was surprised. It's not like Lane Kiffen has

1824
01:30:10,160 --> 01:30:13,280
Speaker 3: been like the most loyal coach. He's got a track

1825
01:30:13,320 --> 01:30:16,320
Speaker 3: record of this. He wanted the Auburn job just a

1826
01:30:16,320 --> 01:30:19,200
Speaker 3: couple of years ago. I was at all miss. He

1827
01:30:19,400 --> 01:30:22,120
Speaker 3: has not been this like I am steadfast, I'm gonna

1828
01:30:22,120 --> 01:30:26,280
Speaker 3: retire like this is what I want. What I hated

1829
01:30:26,360 --> 01:30:29,720
Speaker 3: that it turned into was like the woe is me

1830
01:30:29,920 --> 01:30:33,040
Speaker 3: Lane Kiffin side of things. Yes, oh man, they wouldn't

1831
01:30:33,120 --> 01:30:35,000
Speaker 3: let me do this. They won't let me do this.

1832
01:30:35,160 --> 01:30:37,559
Speaker 3: I wanted to do this. You're the one that's leaving

1833
01:30:37,600 --> 01:30:43,400
Speaker 3: the program be gone. Yeah, And so me personally, I

1834
01:30:43,439 --> 01:30:46,479
Speaker 3: have a completely different feel on it. I get from

1835
01:30:46,520 --> 01:30:49,920
Speaker 3: an administration side that it's a bad dynamic if Lane

1836
01:30:49,960 --> 01:30:53,040
Speaker 3: Kiffen coaches the rest of the year and is probably

1837
01:30:53,080 --> 01:30:55,720
Speaker 3: openly recruiting guys like hey, once this is overcome with

1838
01:30:55,720 --> 01:30:59,600
Speaker 3: me to LSU. I get that. As a player that

1839
01:30:59,720 --> 01:31:02,120
Speaker 3: went through a regular season and then played in the

1840
01:31:02,160 --> 01:31:05,000
Speaker 3: Sugar Bowl, I would have wanted Brian Kelly to coach

1841
01:31:05,080 --> 01:31:08,080
Speaker 3: us in the Sugar Bowl. Yeah, Like selfishly, I was

1842
01:31:08,120 --> 01:31:11,640
Speaker 3: a senior because it was chaos. It was chaos and

1843
01:31:11,680 --> 01:31:13,519
Speaker 3: we had a better chance to win if he was coaching.

1844
01:31:13,680 --> 01:31:16,599
Speaker 3: Yeah like that. That's how simple it is for me. Like,

1845
01:31:17,040 --> 01:31:19,320
Speaker 3: I get the logistics of it that you can't have

1846
01:31:19,400 --> 01:31:23,360
Speaker 3: Lane Kiffen in the facility recruiting when he's not only

1847
01:31:23,400 --> 01:31:25,920
Speaker 3: going to a different school, he's going to another SEC school, Right,

1848
01:31:26,320 --> 01:31:30,760
Speaker 3: I get it, And I don't fault oh miss at all,

1849
01:31:30,800 --> 01:31:33,559
Speaker 3: but that report that like players wanted him to do it.

1850
01:31:34,080 --> 01:31:37,240
Speaker 3: I get. If I could have went back, I would

1851
01:31:37,240 --> 01:31:38,960
Speaker 3: have been pounding the table, like, is there any way

1852
01:31:39,000 --> 01:31:42,600
Speaker 3: that Brian Kelly could coach this game? Cause that's a

1853
01:31:42,600 --> 01:31:45,800
Speaker 3: good Florida team and it's gonna be tough with Brian Kelly,

1854
01:31:45,840 --> 01:31:47,160
Speaker 3: it's gonna be impossible without him.

1855
01:31:47,200 --> 01:31:49,559
Speaker 4: I thought that about ten minutes into that game in normal.

1856
01:31:51,680 --> 01:31:55,080
Speaker 3: Wow. Okay, at what point the night before on Bourbon Street,

1857
01:31:55,080 --> 01:31:58,000
Speaker 3: when you were probably out with half the roster, did

1858
01:31:58,040 --> 01:32:02,200
Speaker 3: you talk yourself into like, man, we're gonna beat Florida tomorrow.

1859
01:32:02,240 --> 01:32:05,519
Speaker 2: Oh it was before midnight. Wow, it was it was

1860
01:32:05,600 --> 01:32:08,280
Speaker 2: well before midnight, dude. It was my like seventh straight

1861
01:32:08,360 --> 01:32:10,720
Speaker 2: day in the worlds. I talked myself into a lot

1862
01:32:10,720 --> 01:32:13,000
Speaker 2: of things. I get your point.

1863
01:32:13,040 --> 01:32:13,880
Speaker 3: I do from a.

1864
01:32:13,800 --> 01:32:15,960
Speaker 4: Player perspective, I would have wanted him to coach what

1865
01:32:16,120 --> 01:32:19,000
Speaker 4: gives us the best chance to win. But like, I

1866
01:32:19,040 --> 01:32:21,080
Speaker 4: don't know, it's not apples to apples.

1867
01:32:21,080 --> 01:32:24,439
Speaker 2: But in the real world, if I told this company

1868
01:32:24,439 --> 01:32:26,519
Speaker 2: that I work for, I'm going to go work for

1869
01:32:26,600 --> 01:32:29,360
Speaker 2: one of your direct competitors. Yeah, but would you let

1870
01:32:29,360 --> 01:32:31,519
Speaker 2: me hang around for the rest of the year. So

1871
01:32:31,640 --> 01:32:35,639
Speaker 2: I could use your resources to work on my new job, sure,

1872
01:32:35,680 --> 01:32:37,439
Speaker 2: and maybe recruit people to come with me.

1873
01:32:37,680 --> 01:32:40,200
Speaker 4: They're gonna go, dude, past sin. It's not how it works.

1874
01:32:40,240 --> 01:32:43,800
Speaker 3: Administration wise, Yes, team wise, I'd have been like, man,

1875
01:32:43,840 --> 01:32:45,800
Speaker 3: I want him to coach because how successful we are.

1876
01:32:46,320 --> 01:32:47,960
Speaker 3: But this goes back to a point you and I

1877
01:32:48,000 --> 01:32:51,360
Speaker 3: talked about this years ago. When is the last time

1878
01:32:52,040 --> 01:32:55,479
Speaker 3: that a coach and a team have just like parted

1879
01:32:55,520 --> 01:32:57,160
Speaker 3: ways and everybody was happy about it.

1880
01:32:57,160 --> 01:32:57,840
Speaker 4: It never happened.

1881
01:32:57,840 --> 01:32:59,559
Speaker 3: It doesn't happen, and that's fine. I go back to

1882
01:32:59,600 --> 01:33:03,040
Speaker 3: Mark Dantonio because at least D'Antonio was honest about it,

1883
01:33:03,200 --> 01:33:07,000
Speaker 3: and that's how went. There is no coaching like. There's

1884
01:33:07,040 --> 01:33:08,800
Speaker 3: no point in which a coach is gonna lead to

1885
01:33:08,800 --> 01:33:10,680
Speaker 3: go to another school and you're gonna feel good about it.

1886
01:33:10,960 --> 01:33:13,559
Speaker 3: You're always gonna have animosity, You're always gonna have that angst.

1887
01:33:14,000 --> 01:33:16,680
Speaker 3: And oh, by the way, who's gonna turn down that

1888
01:33:16,760 --> 01:33:20,360
Speaker 3: much more money a year? There's loyalty? I get it. Yeah,

1889
01:33:20,640 --> 01:33:22,439
Speaker 3: I mean, you got a chance to be the highest

1890
01:33:22,479 --> 01:33:23,799
Speaker 3: paid coach in college football.

1891
01:33:23,840 --> 01:33:27,759
Speaker 2: College football is America's second most popular sport. The ratings

1892
01:33:27,760 --> 01:33:29,920
Speaker 2: for the playoff are gonna be insane, the stadiums are

1893
01:33:29,920 --> 01:33:32,800
Speaker 2: gonna be full. And so I always stop short of

1894
01:33:32,880 --> 01:33:35,360
Speaker 2: ever saying the sport is broken. And I laugh when

1895
01:33:35,360 --> 01:33:37,360
Speaker 2: I hear people say the sport is broken. But I

1896
01:33:37,360 --> 01:33:40,320
Speaker 2: guess there's two things about it. Number One, miss me

1897
01:33:40,520 --> 01:33:43,479
Speaker 2: with the criticism of the players being disloyal when we

1898
01:33:43,560 --> 01:33:46,599
Speaker 2: have this, wh we have something like this. Number Two,

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01:33:47,439 --> 01:33:51,720
Speaker 2: every other sport, every and look, college football has never

1900
01:33:51,800 --> 01:33:56,760
Speaker 2: been more professionalized. Professional sports have a caretaker a commissioner.

1901
01:33:56,840 --> 01:34:00,719
Speaker 2: Now the commissioner does work on behalf of owner, frankly

1902
01:34:00,760 --> 01:34:03,280
Speaker 2: more than commissioners did prior to maybe thirty years ago.

1903
01:34:03,520 --> 01:34:05,559
Speaker 2: But still that person at the end of the day,

1904
01:34:05,600 --> 01:34:09,120
Speaker 2: their main responsibility is to act in the best interests

1905
01:34:09,120 --> 01:34:10,559
Speaker 2: of the league and the sport.

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01:34:10,720 --> 01:34:10,960
Speaker 3: Yep.

1907
01:34:11,360 --> 01:34:15,000
Speaker 2: Until college football has that figure, or until there's at

1908
01:34:15,080 --> 01:34:18,160
Speaker 2: least an the greed on set of rules collectively bargained,

1909
01:34:18,520 --> 01:34:21,600
Speaker 2: perhaps with the players coming to the table themselves, a

1910
01:34:21,640 --> 01:34:24,599
Speaker 2: set of rules that says, look, we can't keep coaches

1911
01:34:24,640 --> 01:34:26,760
Speaker 2: from leaving, but you're not gonna be able to poach

1912
01:34:26,800 --> 01:34:28,760
Speaker 2: a guy right until the season is over.

1913
01:34:29,200 --> 01:34:31,719
Speaker 4: That's the main thing. Until the season is over, which

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01:34:31,800 --> 01:34:32,960
Speaker 4: ends January the nineteen you.

1915
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Speaker 3: Would have built up the playoff and you want to

1916
01:34:35,200 --> 01:34:38,200
Speaker 3: build up the brand, yes, then push the portal, push

1917
01:34:38,280 --> 01:34:41,880
Speaker 3: everything out until the last game is played. You are

1918
01:34:42,080 --> 01:34:45,160
Speaker 3: penalizing the best teams right year in and year out.

1919
01:34:45,200 --> 01:34:47,960
Speaker 3: You're penalizing the teams that raise the money and work

1920
01:34:48,000 --> 01:34:52,280
Speaker 3: their tail off and get coaching advantages as opposed to

1921
01:34:52,360 --> 01:34:54,160
Speaker 3: the others that can sit there and start to pick

1922
01:34:54,200 --> 01:34:56,600
Speaker 3: and choose who they're gonna build their roster with. It

1923
01:34:56,720 --> 01:34:58,760
Speaker 3: is the biggest problem with all of this, whether we're

1924
01:34:58,760 --> 01:35:02,240
Speaker 3: talking about players leaving schools or coaches leaving schools. Because

1925
01:35:02,240 --> 01:35:05,000
Speaker 3: I got news for you, There's gonna be players locally

1926
01:35:05,000 --> 01:35:06,759
Speaker 3: that don't play in the ball game that the Bearcats

1927
01:35:06,800 --> 01:35:09,439
Speaker 3: go to. There's gonna be players all over the country

1928
01:35:09,680 --> 01:35:11,920
Speaker 3: that make business decisions that aren't going to the college

1929
01:35:11,920 --> 01:35:14,400
Speaker 3: Football Playoff, that aren't gonna go to a ball game.

1930
01:35:14,680 --> 01:35:16,560
Speaker 3: And I'm sure people will be upset about it, and

1931
01:35:16,560 --> 01:35:19,680
Speaker 3: they'll be meant, it's just the nature of which this is.

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Speaker 3: Unless you want to come in and change how the

1933
01:35:22,479 --> 01:35:26,280
Speaker 3: game is officiated, and not the game itself, but how

1934
01:35:26,320 --> 01:35:29,080
Speaker 3: the sport is officiated, it just doesn't work.

1935
01:35:29,120 --> 01:35:32,679
Speaker 4: This delegitimizes the playoff. Yes, right, They're.

1936
01:35:32,560 --> 01:35:35,080
Speaker 3: Supposed to be the culmination of everything in college football.

1937
01:35:35,280 --> 01:35:39,240
Speaker 2: Makes the college football playoffs seem like the Rate Bowl

1938
01:35:39,800 --> 01:35:40,960
Speaker 2: or the Birmingham.

1939
01:35:40,520 --> 01:35:43,679
Speaker 3: Ball because even if Lane Kiffin's coaching, even if he's

1940
01:35:43,720 --> 01:35:47,559
Speaker 3: coaching MO, he has to work on LSU because that's

1941
01:35:47,600 --> 01:35:50,479
Speaker 3: the nature of the job. Instead of just saying I'm

1942
01:35:50,479 --> 01:35:53,200
Speaker 3: here until the season ends. When that is then I'm gone.

1943
01:35:54,120 --> 01:35:56,320
Speaker 3: That's not gonna happen the way that the sport is.

1944
01:35:56,240 --> 01:35:58,400
Speaker 4: Structured, by the way there's precedent for this.

1945
01:35:59,200 --> 01:36:02,320
Speaker 2: Bill Frieder left Michigan at the end of the nineteen

1946
01:36:02,400 --> 01:36:05,240
Speaker 2: eighty nine regular season in men's college basketball to go

1947
01:36:05,280 --> 01:36:09,040
Speaker 2: to Arizona State, and the athletic director was Bo Schambeckler

1948
01:36:09,160 --> 01:36:12,080
Speaker 2: and Bill Frieder told Bo, Hey, I'll still coach the tournament,

1949
01:36:12,160 --> 01:36:15,000
Speaker 2: and Bo said, no, you won't. Steve Fisher coached the tournament.

1950
01:36:15,040 --> 01:36:17,639
Speaker 2: They won the national title. I don't know if Old

1951
01:36:17,680 --> 01:36:19,960
Speaker 2: Miss is good enough for something like that to happen.

1952
01:36:20,320 --> 01:36:22,200
Speaker 2: What I do think is interesting, though, is you know

1953
01:36:22,280 --> 01:36:24,680
Speaker 2: many have said two years ago Florida State loses its

1954
01:36:24,760 --> 01:36:28,360
Speaker 2: quarterback Jordan Travis. Four team playoffs, so a lot different

1955
01:36:28,720 --> 01:36:30,680
Speaker 2: didn't make the playoff. They played a bowl game and

1956
01:36:30,680 --> 01:36:34,719
Speaker 2: got embarrassed. I do wonder what the committee is gonna

1957
01:36:34,760 --> 01:36:36,800
Speaker 2: do with Old Miss. I do not think they're gonna

1958
01:36:36,800 --> 01:36:37,719
Speaker 2: punt them from the playoffs.

1959
01:36:38,240 --> 01:36:41,439
Speaker 3: But we're already talking about how dicey this could get

1960
01:36:41,560 --> 01:36:43,360
Speaker 3: sure based on what happens this weekend.

1961
01:36:43,600 --> 01:36:45,200
Speaker 4: Play leave, look, players leave?

1962
01:36:45,200 --> 01:36:47,320
Speaker 3: What if? What if BYU beats Texas Tech and it

1963
01:36:47,360 --> 01:36:49,960
Speaker 3: comes down to BYU and Old Miss?

1964
01:36:50,040 --> 01:36:50,519
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1965
01:36:50,680 --> 01:36:53,760
Speaker 3: Like that that to me right as fair unfair as

1966
01:36:53,760 --> 01:36:55,599
Speaker 3: you want to make it. That has to go into

1967
01:36:55,680 --> 01:36:57,080
Speaker 3: it because you want the product to be the best

1968
01:36:57,120 --> 01:36:57,680
Speaker 3: you can be, but.

1969
01:36:57,640 --> 01:36:59,160
Speaker 2: You want you want the product to be the best

1970
01:36:59,200 --> 01:37:02,320
Speaker 2: you could be. Some want the most interesting storylines. Old

1971
01:37:02,360 --> 01:37:05,240
Speaker 2: Miss playing in the playoff without Lane Kiffen and god

1972
01:37:05,320 --> 01:37:07,160
Speaker 2: knows who else is an interesting story.

1973
01:37:07,120 --> 01:37:07,760
Speaker 3: About eight and five.

1974
01:37:07,840 --> 01:37:13,479
Speaker 2: Duke, if to me, if you punt Old Miss from

1975
01:37:13,479 --> 01:37:16,280
Speaker 2: the playoff just because of what happened.

1976
01:37:16,040 --> 01:37:18,320
Speaker 4: Like if you say, okay, it's Ole Miss in.

1977
01:37:18,600 --> 01:37:21,000
Speaker 2: If lane Kiffin is there, If the answer is yes,

1978
01:37:21,560 --> 01:37:24,280
Speaker 2: then I think they should be there without lane Kiffin

1979
01:37:24,840 --> 01:37:28,880
Speaker 2: because if you're gonna punt them because lane Kiffin's not there,

1980
01:37:29,240 --> 01:37:31,240
Speaker 2: you have just told me that the last three months

1981
01:37:31,280 --> 01:37:33,840
Speaker 2: are irrelevant. Yep, you've just told me that the last

1982
01:37:33,840 --> 01:37:37,639
Speaker 2: three months again are totally meaningless. It is one thing

1983
01:37:38,320 --> 01:37:40,559
Speaker 2: to do that in a four team playoff. It is

1984
01:37:40,600 --> 01:37:44,840
Speaker 2: something else entirely to do it during twelve team playoff era,

1985
01:37:45,120 --> 01:37:47,640
Speaker 2: which is gonna change here, I'm sure very soon. If

1986
01:37:47,720 --> 01:37:51,160
Speaker 2: you if you tell Ole Miss you cannot make the playoff,

1987
01:37:51,160 --> 01:37:53,679
Speaker 2: first of all, you're missing out in a great story. Secondly,

1988
01:37:53,720 --> 01:37:56,120
Speaker 2: it's not like they were twelve, right, It's not like

1989
01:37:56,160 --> 01:38:00,200
Speaker 2: they were twelve going into the Egg Bowl right. If

1990
01:38:00,240 --> 01:38:02,720
Speaker 2: you tell them you can't make the playoff because your

1991
01:38:02,760 --> 01:38:05,439
Speaker 2: coach isn't there, and then because of the subsequent fallout,

1992
01:38:05,479 --> 01:38:07,120
Speaker 2: you aren't telling me that the last three and a

1993
01:38:07,120 --> 01:38:07,920
Speaker 2: half months.

1994
01:38:07,720 --> 01:38:08,800
Speaker 4: No matter, do not matter.

1995
01:38:08,880 --> 01:38:09,080
Speaker 3: Yep.

1996
01:38:09,240 --> 01:38:11,679
Speaker 4: That is an awful statement about.

1997
01:38:11,439 --> 01:38:15,719
Speaker 3: Your sport, correct, and in a sport that's already losing

1998
01:38:16,320 --> 01:38:18,519
Speaker 3: a little bit outside of the playoff because of how

1999
01:38:18,520 --> 01:38:21,599
Speaker 3: the bowl games have kind of been rendered. I don't

2000
01:38:21,600 --> 01:38:24,200
Speaker 3: wanna say useless, but they're not as meaningful as they

2001
01:38:24,280 --> 01:38:24,640
Speaker 3: used to be.

2002
01:38:24,800 --> 01:38:27,280
Speaker 4: No Ole Miss just treated.

2003
01:38:28,400 --> 01:38:31,479
Speaker 2: Or Lane KIFFLM I should say, just treated the college

2004
01:38:31,479 --> 01:38:35,160
Speaker 2: football playoff like the International Bowl or I.

2005
01:38:35,080 --> 01:38:37,720
Speaker 3: Mean it just yeah, that's what it is. And as

2006
01:38:37,720 --> 01:38:41,240
Speaker 3: a proud International Bowl champion. That's that's a tough way

2007
01:38:41,240 --> 01:38:41,439
Speaker 3: to go.

2008
01:38:41,640 --> 01:38:44,800
Speaker 2: Zach Taylor's press conference is coming up here in just

2009
01:38:44,840 --> 01:38:46,720
Speaker 2: a minute. It's the Tony and Mo Football Show at

2010
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2011
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2026
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2027
01:39:52,120 --> 01:39:55,200
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2028
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Speaker 2: are at Twin Peaks in Westchester. We are back here

2029
01:39:58,280 --> 01:40:01,400
Speaker 2: next week at the Westchester Local. Make plans to join

2030
01:40:01,479 --> 01:40:04,720
Speaker 2: us as we talk about the Bengals game against the

2031
01:40:04,880 --> 01:40:05,599
Speaker 2: Buffalo Bills.

2032
01:40:05,640 --> 01:40:07,679
Speaker 4: By the way, stick around for Bengals line Tonight.

2033
01:40:08,080 --> 01:40:10,720
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2034
01:40:10,800 --> 01:40:14,280
Speaker 3: Dave Lapham right here on ESPN fifteen thirty.

2035
01:40:14,600 --> 01:40:18,880
Speaker 2: Here now, and I'll say this because they're good. It's

2036
01:40:18,960 --> 01:40:22,519
Speaker 2: it's the contractually upscated airing of Zach Taylor's conference, but

2037
01:40:22,560 --> 01:40:24,080
Speaker 2: I think everybody wants to hear from the head coach

2038
01:40:24,120 --> 01:40:26,559
Speaker 2: of the Bengals. So here he is chatting with the

2039
01:40:26,560 --> 01:40:27,960
Speaker 2: assembled Pro Football meeting.

2040
01:40:29,080 --> 01:40:31,840
Speaker 1: Zack Taylor Press Conference brought to you in part by

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2042
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2043
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Speaker 1: the official home of the Cincinnati Bengals.

2044
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Speaker 11: As are meby.

2045
01:40:46,880 --> 01:40:51,160
Speaker 12: It was good good, I see he's great. He's still

2046
01:40:51,160 --> 01:40:54,160
Speaker 12: in protocol, so him and Tage. We'll keep working through

2047
01:40:54,160 --> 01:40:56,040
Speaker 12: that earlier in the week, so we'll see.

2048
01:40:55,920 --> 01:40:59,280
Speaker 11: Where it is up Trey in the next this week.

2049
01:40:59,280 --> 01:41:07,519
Speaker 13: Baple this week, yeah, Shamar, Yeah, Oh, he's on.

2050
01:41:07,600 --> 01:41:07,840
Speaker 3: I R.

2051
01:41:08,040 --> 01:41:10,640
Speaker 13: Yeah. How's going with that?

2052
01:41:10,680 --> 01:41:10,840
Speaker 4: Through?

2053
01:41:10,880 --> 01:41:12,400
Speaker 13: I was like, I'm math along here.

2054
01:41:14,320 --> 01:41:14,840
Speaker 3: Final game.

2055
01:41:14,920 --> 01:41:16,920
Speaker 11: I think he's part of this. How's he been progressing?

2056
01:41:17,439 --> 01:41:18,719
Speaker 13: We'll see what into next week?

2057
01:41:19,479 --> 01:41:19,680
Speaker 3: Is this?

2058
01:41:19,800 --> 01:41:21,479
Speaker 10: I think this will be traced fourth game.

2059
01:41:21,600 --> 01:41:23,720
Speaker 11: Is there any consideration to put him on I R.

2060
01:41:24,080 --> 01:41:25,439
Speaker 13: No, We'll just keep taking a week to week.

2061
01:41:27,000 --> 01:41:30,360
Speaker 14: He's still doing all the normal meetings everything behind the

2062
01:41:30,439 --> 01:41:31,479
Speaker 14: scenes that.

2063
01:41:31,960 --> 01:41:33,479
Speaker 13: Mostly rehab stuff with the trainers.

2064
01:41:37,080 --> 01:41:38,560
Speaker 11: You have just be getting him back at all of

2065
01:41:38,560 --> 01:41:38,960
Speaker 11: this season.

2066
01:41:39,000 --> 01:41:43,880
Speaker 12: Yeah, we'll just keep taking a week to week.

2067
01:41:45,360 --> 01:41:47,479
Speaker 11: What was the South scout like over the Bible? What

2068
01:41:47,560 --> 01:41:48,879
Speaker 11: was the what did the weekend?

2069
01:41:48,920 --> 01:41:50,680
Speaker 15: I guess what did you guys want to accomplish as

2070
01:41:50,720 --> 01:41:52,080
Speaker 15: y'all get ready for the next game?

2071
01:41:52,200 --> 01:41:53,960
Speaker 12: S get ahead for Buffalo? Really, I mean got a

2072
01:41:54,040 --> 01:41:56,599
Speaker 12: chance for review our game. Just make sure we got

2073
01:41:56,600 --> 01:41:58,360
Speaker 12: them obviously in two weeks, so you want to make

2074
01:41:58,400 --> 01:42:00,200
Speaker 12: sure you put that to bed the right way because

2075
01:42:00,200 --> 01:42:02,960
Speaker 12: it's a quick turnaround for them and then just you know,

2076
01:42:03,080 --> 01:42:05,599
Speaker 12: steal an extra time for Buffaloe, which I thought we did.

2077
01:42:06,200 --> 01:42:07,719
Speaker 12: It's good you got a chance to watch the football

2078
01:42:07,760 --> 01:42:10,200
Speaker 12: yesterday while you're working, and it's a good weekend.

2079
01:42:10,320 --> 01:42:12,280
Speaker 11: How did Joe come through the weekend.

2080
01:42:13,680 --> 01:42:16,640
Speaker 12: Seemingly fine. I'm sure there's some soreness there that you know.

2081
01:42:16,720 --> 01:42:17,840
Speaker 12: I'm sure you guys can ask him.

2082
01:42:17,880 --> 01:42:20,560
Speaker 11: But to my ip on, I think about concerned it

2083
01:42:20,640 --> 01:42:21,120
Speaker 11: one day.

2084
01:42:23,560 --> 01:42:25,519
Speaker 10: At the start of the season, Dalton Roisman was playing

2085
01:42:25,520 --> 01:42:27,880
Speaker 10: to the point where you ended up going with Jalen Rivers.

2086
01:42:27,920 --> 01:42:30,280
Speaker 10: But it felt like since Sultan's come back, he's you know,

2087
01:42:30,400 --> 01:42:32,559
Speaker 10: played even better than he has earlier in the year.

2088
01:42:32,840 --> 01:42:34,439
Speaker 10: What have you seen from him the last couple of weeks.

2089
01:42:34,600 --> 01:42:36,719
Speaker 12: First, you know, when we got him, he hadn't done anything,

2090
01:42:36,760 --> 01:42:38,400
Speaker 12: you know, for six months, so I think that was

2091
01:42:38,400 --> 01:42:40,760
Speaker 12: a little bit to be expected. But I've liked how

2092
01:42:40,760 --> 01:42:42,680
Speaker 12: he's played, the energy's played with. I think we got

2093
01:42:42,680 --> 01:42:44,720
Speaker 12: a good mix of guys in there, you know, even

2094
01:42:44,760 --> 01:42:47,240
Speaker 12: guys that are you know, been injured and have been backups,

2095
01:42:47,280 --> 01:42:49,760
Speaker 12: and so I feel really good about our starters or

2096
01:42:49,800 --> 01:42:51,760
Speaker 12: depth and and just where we're out at this point

2097
01:42:51,800 --> 01:42:53,000
Speaker 12: the season out on line, what.

2098
01:42:52,920 --> 01:42:54,679
Speaker 10: Have you seen from Fairchild twelve games?

2099
01:42:55,080 --> 01:42:57,519
Speaker 12: Yeah, just continues to progress and get better and sees

2100
01:42:57,600 --> 01:42:59,960
Speaker 12: new looks and does a good job taking the coaching

2101
01:43:00,040 --> 01:43:03,000
Speaker 12: from Scott and Mike and Ted and Orlando and those

2102
01:43:03,040 --> 01:43:06,120
Speaker 12: around him, and just continues to progress. And so that's

2103
01:43:06,120 --> 01:43:07,240
Speaker 12: been really pleasant to see.

2104
01:43:08,120 --> 01:43:09,840
Speaker 3: There's an old adage when you get around this time

2105
01:43:09,880 --> 01:43:12,000
Speaker 3: of the year where people say rookies aren't rookies anymore.

2106
01:43:12,160 --> 01:43:14,400
Speaker 13: Win in your mind, is a guy no longer at rookie?

2107
01:43:14,640 --> 01:43:17,519
Speaker 12: Yeah, I think, you know, at the midpoint of the year,

2108
01:43:17,600 --> 01:43:19,479
Speaker 12: you really want them to progress through that There's still

2109
01:43:19,479 --> 01:43:21,920
Speaker 12: going to be things that they're learning. It's a fun

2110
01:43:21,920 --> 01:43:25,320
Speaker 12: thing to say, but you know, you can't replicate experience,

2111
01:43:25,360 --> 01:43:27,040
Speaker 12: and so they got to continue to get that experience.

2112
01:43:27,080 --> 01:43:29,800
Speaker 12: And especially for a lot of guys, maybe that didn't

2113
01:43:29,800 --> 01:43:31,920
Speaker 12: start right away once the season went, you know, and

2114
01:43:31,960 --> 01:43:32,720
Speaker 12: their playing time has.

2115
01:43:32,680 --> 01:43:33,719
Speaker 13: Increasedes has gone.

2116
01:43:34,520 --> 01:43:36,400
Speaker 12: So I think everybody's a little differently, depends on the

2117
01:43:36,400 --> 01:43:39,040
Speaker 12: position you're playing, depends on the experience you're gaining. But

2118
01:43:39,240 --> 01:43:41,360
Speaker 12: I really like how all of our rookies are progressing.

2119
01:43:41,479 --> 01:43:43,200
Speaker 12: I think that they're all doing a nice job of

2120
01:43:43,760 --> 01:43:46,639
Speaker 12: learning and not making repeat mistakes and have an ownership

2121
01:43:46,640 --> 01:43:50,000
Speaker 12: their position and adding value to our team.

2122
01:43:49,880 --> 01:43:52,040
Speaker 13: Specifically exact with Barrett Carter.

2123
01:43:52,160 --> 01:43:54,040
Speaker 16: What have you liked about the way he's embrace that

2124
01:43:54,200 --> 01:43:55,880
Speaker 16: roles everything that comes with.

2125
01:43:55,880 --> 01:43:57,640
Speaker 12: Yeah, his command with the position, you know, it's a

2126
01:43:57,720 --> 01:44:00,960
Speaker 12: vocal position to have the green dot and be able

2127
01:44:00,960 --> 01:44:03,760
Speaker 12: to communicate like he has and just continue to progress,

2128
01:44:04,040 --> 01:44:05,760
Speaker 12: you know, I mean, I can't think how many games

2129
01:44:05,800 --> 01:44:11,200
Speaker 12: he started now, you know, six maybe six games, and

2130
01:44:11,240 --> 01:44:14,200
Speaker 12: so just continue and learn and that's where he's going.

2131
01:44:16,040 --> 01:44:20,880
Speaker 9: Just going back to Joe's touchdown pass and yeah, just

2132
01:44:21,160 --> 01:44:24,320
Speaker 9: kind of on that and also just as kind of

2133
01:44:24,400 --> 01:44:28,599
Speaker 9: aistical three. Those two guys seemed to have you know,

2134
01:44:28,800 --> 01:44:31,040
Speaker 9: since the minute.

2135
01:44:30,200 --> 01:44:30,720
Speaker 3: You know the.

2136
01:44:32,280 --> 01:44:36,040
Speaker 12: Yeah, I think it was, you know, that was That's

2137
01:44:36,040 --> 01:44:38,720
Speaker 12: a play we we've had him for for a while now,

2138
01:44:40,800 --> 01:44:43,439
Speaker 12: and Joe really did a good job buying some time

2139
01:44:43,479 --> 01:44:46,040
Speaker 12: outside the pocket. Because it's a longer developing play. It

2140
01:44:46,040 --> 01:44:48,240
Speaker 12: can it can unfold two ways. You can either win

2141
01:44:48,360 --> 01:44:50,479
Speaker 12: right out of the break because they've had poor eyes

2142
01:44:50,479 --> 01:44:51,160
Speaker 12: in the backfield.

2143
01:44:52,320 --> 01:44:53,639
Speaker 13: Hamilton did not have poor eyes.

2144
01:44:53,680 --> 01:44:55,000
Speaker 12: You know, he did a good job stating and phase

2145
01:44:55,040 --> 01:44:57,960
Speaker 12: and Joe really put it the only spot that Tanner

2146
01:44:58,000 --> 01:45:00,599
Speaker 12: could have caught that ball, and Tanner could have only

2147
01:45:00,600 --> 01:45:03,439
Speaker 12: caught that ball one handed based on where Hamilton was at.

2148
01:45:03,439 --> 01:45:06,439
Speaker 12: And it was really good coverage and just outstanding throw,

2149
01:45:06,600 --> 01:45:09,280
Speaker 12: outstanding catch, huge for momentum at that point.

2150
01:45:09,320 --> 01:45:10,559
Speaker 13: So it was a really big point in that game.

2151
01:45:10,720 --> 01:45:14,959
Speaker 11: I mean, the route was against one of the best,

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Speaker 11: there's no question.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, I mean it's it's he's an outstanding player, you know,

2154
01:45:20,240 --> 01:45:22,960
Speaker 12: he's I wouldn't even call him the safety really, he's

2155
01:45:23,000 --> 01:45:26,479
Speaker 12: he plays linebacker and the end and covers people and

2156
01:45:26,520 --> 01:45:28,160
Speaker 12: whatever you want to that's a true Swiss arm in

2157
01:45:28,160 --> 01:45:30,800
Speaker 12: after me. Uh So, again, it was a great play

2158
01:45:31,320 --> 01:45:33,320
Speaker 12: versus a great player and something we really needed at

2159
01:45:33,360 --> 01:45:33,679
Speaker 12: that point.

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01:45:34,080 --> 01:45:37,400
Speaker 11: Some of the strategy guys have me defensively in recent weeks.

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Speaker 14: How much of it do you think kind of just

2162
01:45:38,960 --> 01:45:41,840
Speaker 14: stems directly back to just seeing more pressure from some

2163
01:45:41,920 --> 01:45:44,639
Speaker 14: of your young defensive linemen at this point.

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Speaker 3: Is that kind of the biggest difference that you think

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Speaker 3: you've seen.

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01:45:47,800 --> 01:45:51,040
Speaker 12: I think it helps everybody's just starting to really settle

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01:45:51,040 --> 01:45:53,120
Speaker 12: into their position as they get more playing time and

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01:45:53,160 --> 01:45:56,400
Speaker 12: more confidence in the scheme and playing next to guys

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01:45:56,479 --> 01:45:59,519
Speaker 12: and you just see all eleven guys all at once

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Speaker 12: really just step into it and have great ownership in

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01:46:01,960 --> 01:46:04,400
Speaker 12: what rask them to do, and confidence to go in

2172
01:46:04,400 --> 01:46:06,200
Speaker 12: there and make plays, confidence to go win some one

2173
01:46:06,200 --> 01:46:08,519
Speaker 12: on ones up front and apply pressure. And once you

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Speaker 12: start doing that a couple of times, right, I'm going

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Speaker 12: to continue to do this and and then the takeaways

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01:46:14,120 --> 01:46:16,479
Speaker 12: start coming too. So again it's it's fun to watch

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01:46:16,520 --> 01:46:18,600
Speaker 12: those guys have fun, play with confidence.

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Speaker 13: That's exciting for me.

2179
01:46:20,120 --> 01:46:24,080
Speaker 14: To see guy like Miles chasing down Derek Henry forty

2180
01:46:24,160 --> 01:46:24,960
Speaker 14: yards down the field.

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01:46:25,000 --> 01:46:26,960
Speaker 12: Tell you where he's at his passion for the game.

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01:46:27,000 --> 01:46:28,920
Speaker 12: I mean, he's made of the right stuff, and he's

2183
01:46:28,920 --> 01:46:31,160
Speaker 12: continued to work every day. He's been in here all season,

2184
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Speaker 12: and you know, it's it's I'm really excited for Miles

2185
01:46:35,400 --> 01:46:37,280
Speaker 12: to see all that hard work start to pay off

2186
01:46:37,280 --> 01:46:40,679
Speaker 12: and the consistency come and it's been really good. He's

2187
01:46:40,680 --> 01:46:42,800
Speaker 12: an easy got to pull for and so it's it's

2188
01:46:42,840 --> 01:46:44,679
Speaker 12: exciting to see him make some plays like that effort

2189
01:46:44,680 --> 01:46:47,080
Speaker 12: plays too are he You know that's even though it's

2190
01:46:47,120 --> 01:46:49,439
Speaker 12: way down the field, it's our team sees that in

2191
01:46:49,439 --> 01:46:51,840
Speaker 12: the film. They see all that stuff. Guys really putting

2192
01:46:51,920 --> 01:46:54,920
Speaker 12: all out there, and he did that. Jordan Battle had

2193
01:46:54,920 --> 01:46:56,479
Speaker 12: the one on the goal line. So those are those

2194
01:46:56,479 --> 01:46:58,040
Speaker 12: are critical plays for our guys.

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01:46:58,160 --> 01:47:00,160
Speaker 14: Stuff you guys feature, I mean we get it to

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01:47:00,160 --> 01:47:02,320
Speaker 14: a meeting, do you get in the meetings and feature?

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Speaker 12: It depends on the week. Yeah, it depends on the week,

2198
01:47:04,160 --> 01:47:06,719
Speaker 12: depends on the tone of the meeting. Plenty of times

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01:47:06,720 --> 01:47:07,800
Speaker 12: we highlight stuff like that.

2200
01:47:09,720 --> 01:47:12,040
Speaker 11: With how ka out at the AFC North is this year?

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Speaker 16: How do you make sure the guys are just doing

2202
01:47:15,240 --> 01:47:17,479
Speaker 16: it on a week two week basis, not looking outside all.

2203
01:47:17,520 --> 01:47:19,519
Speaker 13: I've never really felt like I've had to worry about that.

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01:47:19,640 --> 01:47:21,600
Speaker 12: You know, we we have our messaging each week that

2205
01:47:21,640 --> 01:47:24,800
Speaker 12: we follow and I've never felt the need to make

2206
01:47:24,840 --> 01:47:26,519
Speaker 12: sure that we're just focused on the week. I think

2207
01:47:26,520 --> 01:47:28,120
Speaker 12: Theo's guys have done a really good job of doing that,

2208
01:47:28,680 --> 01:47:30,639
Speaker 12: and you know that's that's the most critical point.

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Speaker 13: It's just we got to.

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01:47:31,360 --> 01:47:34,639
Speaker 12: Play Buffalo, need to win the game, and worry about

2211
01:47:34,640 --> 01:47:35,200
Speaker 12: the rest after that.

2212
01:47:35,320 --> 01:47:36,840
Speaker 15: Even as a result on Thursday and then kind of

2213
01:47:36,840 --> 01:47:38,840
Speaker 15: how things have played out in the North, especially the weekend,

2214
01:47:38,840 --> 01:47:40,760
Speaker 15: does it still feel like everything's in front of you

2215
01:47:40,800 --> 01:47:41,519
Speaker 15: as you go into this one.

2216
01:47:41,600 --> 01:47:44,000
Speaker 12: Yeah, it's exciting to know there's still opportunity there, but

2217
01:47:44,479 --> 01:47:45,960
Speaker 12: again you just have to take a week to week.

2218
01:47:46,080 --> 01:47:47,920
Speaker 12: Us being Baltimore has nothing to do with how we're

2219
01:47:47,920 --> 01:47:52,120
Speaker 12: gonna pay against Buffalo. So our guys understand that still

2220
01:47:52,160 --> 01:47:54,320
Speaker 12: a day here with the bonus day and got to

2221
01:47:54,360 --> 01:47:55,880
Speaker 12: have a great week. And it's gonna be a tough

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01:47:55,960 --> 01:47:57,479
Speaker 12: environment to go on the road there. It's always a

2223
01:47:57,479 --> 01:48:00,200
Speaker 12: tough place to play. It's gonna be a loud, can

2224
01:48:00,240 --> 01:48:02,800
Speaker 12: be cold, probably going to be windy, and so our

2225
01:48:02,800 --> 01:48:04,200
Speaker 12: guys have gotta be ready to embrace all that.

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01:48:04,280 --> 01:48:06,920
Speaker 16: How much do you subscribe to the theory that, especially

2227
01:48:06,960 --> 01:48:09,760
Speaker 16: comes December, you need to be able to at some

2228
01:48:09,880 --> 01:48:13,400
Speaker 16: point be able to run the ball with authority in

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01:48:13,680 --> 01:48:14,320
Speaker 16: climent weather.

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01:48:15,320 --> 01:48:17,240
Speaker 13: We've thrown the ball out in December two. It's been

2231
01:48:17,280 --> 01:48:18,160
Speaker 13: successful for us.

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01:48:18,160 --> 01:48:20,040
Speaker 12: So we're just going to keep playing our style and

2233
01:48:20,040 --> 01:48:22,599
Speaker 12: and sometimes we play plenty of games where we've leaned

2234
01:48:22,640 --> 01:48:24,160
Speaker 12: on the run, plenty of games where we've leaned in

2235
01:48:24,160 --> 01:48:28,080
Speaker 12: the past game. So again it's it's what's your style play,

2236
01:48:28,160 --> 01:48:30,360
Speaker 12: what's your identity as a team, how's the game going.

2237
01:48:31,640 --> 01:48:34,000
Speaker 12: There's a lot of things that factor into how the

2238
01:48:34,080 --> 01:48:36,479
Speaker 12: game is going to play out. But you're not gonna

2239
01:48:36,479 --> 01:48:37,800
Speaker 12: pin me down and say we're gonna run the ball

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Speaker 12: sixty times in a game just because.

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01:48:39,040 --> 01:48:41,520
Speaker 13: It's simmer outside.

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01:48:41,720 --> 01:48:42,040
Speaker 3: You're not.

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01:48:43,760 --> 01:48:45,040
Speaker 13: We're going to run the ball and you have to

2244
01:48:45,120 --> 01:48:45,679
Speaker 13: do other things.

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01:48:45,680 --> 01:48:49,360
Speaker 12: Well, yeah, that's a unique circumstance. We're going to do

2246
01:48:49,360 --> 01:48:50,600
Speaker 12: whatever it takes to win the game, you know, And

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01:48:50,640 --> 01:48:53,920
Speaker 12: I feel like we've always done that, And there's been games,

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01:48:53,920 --> 01:48:56,040
Speaker 12: certainly I can think of in December where where we've

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01:48:56,080 --> 01:48:58,120
Speaker 12: gone in there and how to do a great job

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01:48:58,200 --> 01:49:00,720
Speaker 12: establishing the run and deepens is played great, so you

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01:49:00,760 --> 01:49:03,519
Speaker 12: can stick with it throughout the game and you know,

2252
01:49:03,520 --> 01:49:05,000
Speaker 12: we'll see what type of game this turns out to be.

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01:49:06,840 --> 01:49:11,080
Speaker 11: Twenty seventeen game you guys with authority?

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01:49:11,120 --> 01:49:12,559
Speaker 13: I guess what I'm kind of thinking about.

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01:49:12,720 --> 01:49:16,000
Speaker 12: Yeah, you know that that game, it allowed us, just

2256
01:49:16,000 --> 01:49:18,000
Speaker 12: the way that the game played out, we were allowed

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01:49:18,040 --> 01:49:20,040
Speaker 12: to stick with that kind of stuff, and our defensive

2258
01:49:20,080 --> 01:49:22,880
Speaker 12: played really well that day, and you know, so again

2259
01:49:22,920 --> 01:49:24,920
Speaker 12: we just will do whatever it takes to win.

2260
01:49:25,240 --> 01:49:28,280
Speaker 3: What did you ask Joe this so I'd be a

2261
01:49:28,280 --> 01:49:29,160
Speaker 3: better question for him.

2262
01:49:29,200 --> 01:49:32,479
Speaker 10: But with the weather talking about the.

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01:49:32,400 --> 01:49:34,800
Speaker 12: Weather being kind of up in the air right now and

2264
01:49:35,240 --> 01:49:36,840
Speaker 12: with that plate in his shoe?

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01:49:37,400 --> 01:49:40,800
Speaker 3: Is there any conversations about maybe doing something different, like

2266
01:49:40,920 --> 01:49:42,320
Speaker 3: is does that create any issues?

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01:49:42,400 --> 01:49:42,719
Speaker 13: Maybe?

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01:49:47,240 --> 01:49:49,479
Speaker 10: What did you learn that day about snow games? You

2269
01:49:49,479 --> 01:49:52,880
Speaker 10: don't get them too often, you.

2270
01:49:52,840 --> 01:49:54,240
Speaker 13: Know, you'd have to ask Joe.

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01:49:54,280 --> 01:49:58,160
Speaker 12: I think, uh, traction on the ball, you know, I

2272
01:49:58,320 --> 01:50:03,200
Speaker 12: I don't. I haven't thrown much in snow games. You know,

2273
01:50:03,760 --> 01:50:07,680
Speaker 12: rain is often the biggest issue. I'd say wind is

2274
01:50:07,720 --> 01:50:11,160
Speaker 12: a big issue. Snow would come in third behind that

2275
01:50:11,240 --> 01:50:13,000
Speaker 12: kind of stuff. So I think he could probably answer

2276
01:50:13,040 --> 01:50:14,799
Speaker 12: that question better having done it a lot more recently

2277
01:50:14,800 --> 01:50:18,800
Speaker 12: than anybody else. Put again, I thought that day, you know,

2278
01:50:20,439 --> 01:50:22,400
Speaker 12: I thought he threw the ball pretty well. And it's

2279
01:50:22,520 --> 01:50:25,280
Speaker 12: you know, it's every he's saying. Just the wind can

2280
01:50:25,280 --> 01:50:26,840
Speaker 12: always factor into that a little bit, depending on how

2281
01:50:26,920 --> 01:50:27,280
Speaker 12: much that is.

2282
01:50:27,320 --> 01:50:28,759
Speaker 15: When he went back and look at how he played

2283
01:50:28,800 --> 01:50:30,560
Speaker 15: on Thursday, and I can't review the tape, what was

2284
01:50:30,560 --> 01:50:31,760
Speaker 15: the biggest thing that jumped out of you?

2285
01:50:32,680 --> 01:50:35,040
Speaker 12: Well, just just how quickly he got into a rhythm.

2286
01:50:35,600 --> 01:50:37,559
Speaker 12: I think he'd sit here and say I missed this

2287
01:50:37,680 --> 01:50:39,840
Speaker 12: or missed that. I could feel the rhythm he got

2288
01:50:39,880 --> 01:50:41,519
Speaker 12: into and the and the confidence that he had him

2289
01:50:41,520 --> 01:50:43,680
Speaker 12: and he was out there. So that's what we could

2290
01:50:43,720 --> 01:50:46,160
Speaker 12: feel as a team, you know, that that he was

2291
01:50:46,280 --> 01:50:49,360
Speaker 12: he was really back to mid season form for himself,

2292
01:50:50,880 --> 01:50:52,760
Speaker 12: even though I again I don't know how he's gonna

2293
01:50:52,760 --> 01:50:55,560
Speaker 12: answer that, but for us certainly watching him, he felt that.

2294
01:50:55,720 --> 01:50:59,040
Speaker 12: And and just I think has had a lot of

2295
01:50:59,040 --> 01:51:00,320
Speaker 12: confidence watching him out that when.

2296
01:51:00,240 --> 01:51:02,639
Speaker 15: You have your franchise quarterback that it's really the team

2297
01:51:02,720 --> 01:51:05,479
Speaker 15: is invested in, committed to any back in the locker

2298
01:51:05,560 --> 01:51:08,519
Speaker 15: room and the rally guys, does that praise everybody? And

2299
01:51:08,680 --> 01:51:11,400
Speaker 15: just subconsciously knowing that that's the guy who's kind of

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01:51:11,439 --> 01:51:13,680
Speaker 15: everything's built around and he's in the building and all

2301
01:51:13,680 --> 01:51:15,360
Speaker 15: of that, what does that do for everybody's in there?

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Speaker 12: And he's one of the greatest players in the world,

2303
01:51:17,280 --> 01:51:18,479
Speaker 12: you know. And so I think anytime you get a

2304
01:51:18,479 --> 01:51:22,120
Speaker 12: player like that back on the field, absolutely, whether it's

2305
01:51:22,200 --> 01:51:25,519
Speaker 12: subconsciously or consciously, I mean, it's it's you're excited to

2306
01:51:25,600 --> 01:51:28,560
Speaker 12: watch that, and you're excited to rally behind that and

2307
01:51:28,640 --> 01:51:29,519
Speaker 12: see where he can take you.

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01:51:29,960 --> 01:51:33,400
Speaker 14: It looks like Flacco was very interactive on the sideline

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01:51:33,479 --> 01:51:36,960
Speaker 14: against Baltimore. Did Craigthorpe or anyone note just how much

2310
01:51:37,800 --> 01:51:41,120
Speaker 14: input he was doing after series or is that just

2311
01:51:41,120 --> 01:51:43,439
Speaker 14: what you expect with who Jill Flacco is.

2312
01:51:43,600 --> 01:51:46,480
Speaker 12: Yeah, they to my I have a really good relationship,

2313
01:51:46,720 --> 01:51:49,760
Speaker 12: so whatever they're talking about is is all good. There's

2314
01:51:49,760 --> 01:51:53,320
Speaker 12: guys see it the same way as coaches do. I

2315
01:51:54,280 --> 01:51:56,160
Speaker 12: I'm not always back there, you know. I've kind of

2316
01:51:56,160 --> 01:51:57,920
Speaker 12: picked my spots to go back there between series, so

2317
01:51:58,320 --> 01:51:59,880
Speaker 12: I don't see it all or recap it all. But

2318
01:52:00,960 --> 01:52:02,559
Speaker 12: it is good to have as many I mean, we

2319
01:52:02,600 --> 01:52:05,360
Speaker 12: always travel our practice squad quarterback over the years. We

2320
01:52:05,360 --> 01:52:08,280
Speaker 12: want as many quarterbacks over there as possible, and somebody

2321
01:52:08,360 --> 01:52:10,200
Speaker 12: may see something that somebody else doesn't see. So I

2322
01:52:10,200 --> 01:52:11,760
Speaker 12: always think that's a good dialogue to have as many

2323
01:52:11,760 --> 01:52:14,320
Speaker 12: guys over there as possible, especially at the high level

2324
01:52:14,320 --> 01:52:16,080
Speaker 12: thinkers that we've gotten that room.

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Speaker 1: This has been the Zach Taylor press conference on the

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Speaker 1: ESPN fifteen thirty, the official home of US Cincinnati Bengalis.

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01:52:26,280 --> 01:52:29,840
Speaker 2: There he goes Zach Taylor in the aftermath of his

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01:52:29,880 --> 01:52:32,360
Speaker 2: teams went on Thanksgiving Night getting set to take on

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01:52:32,400 --> 01:52:33,360
Speaker 2: the Buffalo Bills.

2330
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Speaker 3: Those are more fun after wins.

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01:52:34,560 --> 01:52:36,679
Speaker 2: There are a lot more fun after wins. Buffalo Bills

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01:52:36,680 --> 01:52:39,880
Speaker 2: on Sunday. Don't forget. The game is on ESPN fifteen thirty.

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01:52:41,040 --> 01:52:44,639
Speaker 2: Kick off at one o'clock. Pregame coverage begins at nine

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01:52:44,800 --> 01:52:47,519
Speaker 2: a m. Again, we're back here in Westchester a week

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01:52:47,560 --> 01:52:51,080
Speaker 2: from today. Tony is not on since he three to sixty.

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01:52:51,080 --> 01:52:51,800
Speaker 4: Tomorrow he is.

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01:52:52,000 --> 01:52:54,400
Speaker 2: Pinchinting for Lance down the Hall on seven hundred w

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Speaker 2: WEL from six to nine.

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Speaker 4: I will be broadcasting from a differentness down tomorrow. Looking

2340
01:53:01,920 --> 01:53:03,360
Speaker 4: forward to that thanks.

2341
01:53:03,040 --> 01:53:06,920
Speaker 3: To the snow. Careful with the snow. Snow, there's incoming snow.

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01:53:07,840 --> 01:53:09,759
Speaker 3: People are doing snow dances and stuff.

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01:53:09,800 --> 01:53:11,160
Speaker 4: My daughter back from school.

2344
01:53:11,520 --> 01:53:14,200
Speaker 3: People excited about snow. It's a lot of teachers in attendance.

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01:53:14,320 --> 01:53:16,120
Speaker 4: My daughter just was awful week.

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01:53:16,200 --> 01:53:18,800
Speaker 2: This morning we had local news on Yeah, and she

2347
01:53:18,880 --> 01:53:22,120
Speaker 2: heard Jennifer Ketchmark talk about the snow and she's like,

2348
01:53:22,160 --> 01:53:24,439
Speaker 2: wait a minute, no school, toname like it hasn't snowed yet.

2349
01:53:24,479 --> 01:53:26,559
Speaker 4: She's like, tomorrow's.

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01:53:26,000 --> 01:53:28,120
Speaker 3: Cold goo, yeah, cancel it for being cold.

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01:53:28,160 --> 01:53:29,800
Speaker 4: So we'll probably have to deal with that as well.

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01:53:30,200 --> 01:53:30,679
Speaker 4: We're done.

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01:53:30,720 --> 01:53:33,200
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Speaker 3: and Kenwood as well.

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Speaker 4: The staff here.

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Speaker 6: seventy one south two seventy five to five or slows

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Speaker 6: accident in the left lane by bricksh remp with traffic.

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