1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:01,880 Speaker 1: I'm glad to the KIWI comes by Health Hotline to 2 00:00:01,880 --> 00:00:04,880 Speaker 1: bring on your voice of the Colorado Rockies, Jack Corky Jack, how. 3 00:00:04,840 --> 00:00:05,440 Speaker 2: You doing, Buddy? 4 00:00:06,519 --> 00:00:08,200 Speaker 3: I'm good, Benjamin, How are you? My friend? 5 00:00:08,400 --> 00:00:11,119 Speaker 2: Doing pretty well? Got Rick lewis here as well. 6 00:00:11,200 --> 00:00:15,160 Speaker 1: Obviously the big news today Warren Schaeffer has the interim 7 00:00:15,280 --> 00:00:16,120 Speaker 1: tag removed. 8 00:00:16,160 --> 00:00:18,759 Speaker 2: In two part from me, one, how surprised are you 9 00:00:18,800 --> 00:00:21,759 Speaker 2: buy that? And two? Is this the right move for 10 00:00:21,800 --> 00:00:22,759 Speaker 2: the Colorado Rockies? 11 00:00:24,239 --> 00:00:28,120 Speaker 3: Well? One, I mean, I think there were a couple 12 00:00:28,120 --> 00:00:33,199 Speaker 3: of factors where it's not a big surprise. One it's 13 00:00:33,240 --> 00:00:36,400 Speaker 3: a little later in the game in terms of hiring 14 00:00:37,400 --> 00:00:40,519 Speaker 3: a manager because they went through the process before they 15 00:00:40,640 --> 00:00:46,520 Speaker 3: hired Paul to run baseball ops. And then I think 16 00:00:46,600 --> 00:00:50,680 Speaker 3: in a lot of ways there were the sentiments among 17 00:00:50,800 --> 00:00:55,400 Speaker 3: the players and other people in the organization that they 18 00:00:55,720 --> 00:01:02,000 Speaker 3: liked where Warren's philosophy was taking the team. So I 19 00:01:02,040 --> 00:01:06,760 Speaker 3: think that was a factor. And the other factor, you know, 20 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:13,160 Speaker 3: the potential labor issue in twenty seven You know this 21 00:01:13,240 --> 00:01:20,520 Speaker 3: way from structure and finances and everything else, it all 22 00:01:20,560 --> 00:01:21,160 Speaker 3: makes sense. 23 00:01:22,080 --> 00:01:25,000 Speaker 4: Hey, Jack, it's your ross belt, Buddy. Rick lewis here, 24 00:01:26,240 --> 00:01:29,280 Speaker 4: Thanks for coming on. Hopefully you're on a beach somewhere 25 00:01:29,560 --> 00:01:32,399 Speaker 4: wearing some cut up blue jean shorts. That's what rustbelt 26 00:01:32,440 --> 00:01:32,840 Speaker 4: guys do. 27 00:01:35,959 --> 00:01:41,600 Speaker 3: I wish, except I'm pulling out Christmas decoration boxes for 28 00:01:41,800 --> 00:01:44,240 Speaker 3: my wife's So I was glad to talk to you guys. 29 00:01:44,319 --> 00:01:45,880 Speaker 3: Get away from the honey dudes. 30 00:01:46,440 --> 00:01:48,040 Speaker 4: All right, Well, it's good to have you on the show. 31 00:01:48,240 --> 00:01:51,840 Speaker 4: Last time we talked to you on the show, you've 32 00:01:51,880 --> 00:01:54,520 Speaker 4: thought I was bringing up names, like I thought it'd 33 00:01:54,560 --> 00:01:56,840 Speaker 4: be good to get a big name manager in here 34 00:01:56,840 --> 00:01:59,080 Speaker 4: to kind of fire up the fan base, and you 35 00:01:59,280 --> 00:02:03,240 Speaker 4: mentioned Warrener as he might be, you know, the right 36 00:02:03,280 --> 00:02:05,400 Speaker 4: guy to do this. Did you know something back then 37 00:02:05,520 --> 00:02:07,840 Speaker 4: or with somebody telling you something like, hey, we're lead 38 00:02:07,880 --> 00:02:08,560 Speaker 4: in that direction. 39 00:02:09,960 --> 00:02:13,200 Speaker 3: Well, I did know Rick that there was a lot 40 00:02:13,240 --> 00:02:18,080 Speaker 3: of sentiment regardless of who would end up getting that 41 00:02:18,160 --> 00:02:22,320 Speaker 3: baseball ops job before Paul de Bodesta got it, and 42 00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:28,360 Speaker 3: I think they felt like Warren was on the right 43 00:02:28,480 --> 00:02:34,400 Speaker 3: track in terms of approach, you know, and with some 44 00:02:34,880 --> 00:02:40,720 Speaker 3: really strong feelings and ideas on how to one not 45 00:02:40,840 --> 00:02:44,280 Speaker 3: only try and get the offense going again back at 46 00:02:44,360 --> 00:02:48,240 Speaker 3: Corse Field, but just as importantly, you know, throughout the 47 00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:53,240 Speaker 3: history of the franchise, the struggles to have an offense 48 00:02:53,280 --> 00:02:57,480 Speaker 3: that played in Denver play at sea level, and you know, 49 00:02:57,560 --> 00:03:01,600 Speaker 3: I liked some of Warren's star thoughts and ideas on 50 00:03:01,840 --> 00:03:03,280 Speaker 3: how to make that happen. 51 00:03:04,280 --> 00:03:06,800 Speaker 2: Talking with Jack Corgan, Voice of the Rockies. 52 00:03:07,120 --> 00:03:08,760 Speaker 1: You know, Warren Schaeffer, I think for a lot of 53 00:03:08,800 --> 00:03:11,320 Speaker 1: the fans, whatever he may be bringing, for a lot 54 00:03:11,360 --> 00:03:13,519 Speaker 1: of the fans, it still represents a little bit of 55 00:03:13,600 --> 00:03:15,840 Speaker 1: the old, a little bit of the same. How would 56 00:03:15,919 --> 00:03:19,280 Speaker 1: you counter that or how would you you argue that 57 00:03:19,440 --> 00:03:21,400 Speaker 1: for fans that feel that that is a letdown. With 58 00:03:21,560 --> 00:03:25,560 Speaker 1: names that were thrown around included Rix beforemanage and Joe Girardi. 59 00:03:26,040 --> 00:03:27,959 Speaker 1: There was talk of Don matting Lee after he left 60 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:30,680 Speaker 1: the Blue Jays, how do you how do you sell 61 00:03:30,760 --> 00:03:32,119 Speaker 1: that as it were to the fan base? 62 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:37,920 Speaker 3: You know, it's it's not going to be an easy sell, 63 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:41,400 Speaker 3: regardless of who they they brought in. After you know, 64 00:03:41,640 --> 00:03:46,480 Speaker 3: three triple digit loss seasons. I think in some ways 65 00:03:48,840 --> 00:03:52,680 Speaker 3: the game has has changed a little bit, not to 66 00:03:52,840 --> 00:03:56,520 Speaker 3: say veteran guys can't do it, but the guys who 67 00:03:56,560 --> 00:04:01,080 Speaker 3: are coming up now, the younger players, and they're they're 68 00:04:01,160 --> 00:04:05,120 Speaker 3: approach the tools they want to use to play the game. 69 00:04:06,080 --> 00:04:11,160 Speaker 3: Are different than than Joe Girardi or a Don Mattingly 70 00:04:11,320 --> 00:04:14,960 Speaker 3: if they were even interested in the job. I think 71 00:04:16,720 --> 00:04:21,560 Speaker 3: it's a different job now and that they're at the 72 00:04:21,640 --> 00:04:25,440 Speaker 3: ballpark all the time. I mean the manager and the coaches. 73 00:04:25,520 --> 00:04:30,200 Speaker 3: I mean it seems like they put in eighteen hour days, 74 00:04:30,320 --> 00:04:34,160 Speaker 3: not just in spring training but throughout the year. And 75 00:04:34,640 --> 00:04:39,120 Speaker 3: that fits Warren's personality. I mean, we use the cliche 76 00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:42,520 Speaker 3: jim rat, but that's what he is. I mean, he's 77 00:04:42,600 --> 00:04:45,880 Speaker 3: a baseball gym rat. And you know, if a guy 78 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:47,680 Speaker 3: wants to do a little more of this or a 79 00:04:47,760 --> 00:04:50,000 Speaker 3: little more of that, shapes ready to jump right in 80 00:04:50,160 --> 00:04:54,320 Speaker 3: and do it. So I think short term, it's worth 81 00:04:54,360 --> 00:04:58,440 Speaker 3: the approach. And you know, you you could bring in 82 00:04:58,600 --> 00:05:01,360 Speaker 3: a lot of really good manager Jersey. This team is 83 00:05:01,480 --> 00:05:06,080 Speaker 3: not ready to be a contender in twenty twenty six 84 00:05:06,200 --> 00:05:09,800 Speaker 3: and probably even twenty twenty seven, So why not get 85 00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:17,320 Speaker 3: a young, enthusiastic, teaching guy in that role and try 86 00:05:17,360 --> 00:05:19,720 Speaker 3: and make a turn. I mean that's what the Nationals 87 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:23,360 Speaker 3: have done, and I mean that's what the Giants are doing. 88 00:05:23,440 --> 00:05:25,280 Speaker 3: I mean I heard a guy who's never had a 89 00:05:25,440 --> 00:05:29,680 Speaker 3: moment in professional baseball great time as the head coach 90 00:05:29,760 --> 00:05:33,599 Speaker 3: at Tennessee, but it kind of shows you the different 91 00:05:34,080 --> 00:05:36,160 Speaker 3: feels that's taken place. Now. 92 00:05:36,880 --> 00:05:39,560 Speaker 4: Hey, Jack, I'm on record saying that I don't think 93 00:05:39,720 --> 00:05:44,360 Speaker 4: Warren Schaeffer or Bud Blackhead had much to do with 94 00:05:44,520 --> 00:05:47,360 Speaker 4: the you know, the awful season that they just had, 95 00:05:48,520 --> 00:05:52,280 Speaker 4: But I do like the Paul de Podesta higher and 96 00:05:52,400 --> 00:05:54,880 Speaker 4: he said something that I wanted to get your take on. 97 00:05:55,360 --> 00:05:57,800 Speaker 4: One of the things he said about Warren Schaeffer is 98 00:05:57,920 --> 00:06:02,080 Speaker 4: he understands the culture of the franchise. And I'm scratching 99 00:06:02,120 --> 00:06:03,680 Speaker 4: my head on that one a little bit because the 100 00:06:03,760 --> 00:06:06,840 Speaker 4: culture of the franchise seems to be losing. What does 101 00:06:06,880 --> 00:06:07,840 Speaker 4: he really mean by that. 102 00:06:09,440 --> 00:06:11,840 Speaker 3: I think he's the culture of the franchise. I think 103 00:06:11,880 --> 00:06:15,760 Speaker 3: he's talking about it. Rick Moore from a physical perspective, 104 00:06:16,400 --> 00:06:22,080 Speaker 3: you know, of understanding the going back and forth, not 105 00:06:22,240 --> 00:06:26,400 Speaker 3: only how the game is played here in Denver at 106 00:06:26,400 --> 00:06:29,960 Speaker 3: altitude and then at sea level so many other places, 107 00:06:31,760 --> 00:06:37,280 Speaker 3: but the impact that it has doing that more than 108 00:06:37,760 --> 00:06:41,080 Speaker 3: any other sport and certainly more than any other team, 109 00:06:41,240 --> 00:06:46,960 Speaker 3: and to understand what guys are going through to be 110 00:06:47,040 --> 00:06:49,600 Speaker 3: able to stay healthy. It's like in the NFL I mean, 111 00:06:49,680 --> 00:06:53,320 Speaker 3: you know, here we are, what week thirteen, there in 112 00:06:53,440 --> 00:06:58,280 Speaker 3: anybody feeling one hundred percent physically right, you know, you 113 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:02,880 Speaker 3: learn to adapt and adjust and get yourself ready by 114 00:07:03,160 --> 00:07:07,200 Speaker 3: that Sunday game or whatever night you're playing, if it's 115 00:07:07,279 --> 00:07:11,720 Speaker 3: not a Sunday afternoon game. And baseball is that way 116 00:07:13,280 --> 00:07:16,520 Speaker 3: times ten because of all the games you play and 117 00:07:16,800 --> 00:07:20,320 Speaker 3: all the physical toll it takes. And and I think 118 00:07:20,440 --> 00:07:24,360 Speaker 3: that's why Paul feels that Warren has has a sense 119 00:07:24,480 --> 00:07:25,960 Speaker 3: of that kind of culture. 120 00:07:26,800 --> 00:07:29,320 Speaker 1: Talk with Jack Corgan, Voice of the Rockies, Jack, when 121 00:07:29,320 --> 00:07:31,080 Speaker 1: paul I had to just talk to you, since since 122 00:07:31,120 --> 00:07:34,200 Speaker 1: Pauli Potesta was hired, when he was hired, how big 123 00:07:34,280 --> 00:07:36,360 Speaker 1: a thing do you think this is for the Rockies? 124 00:07:37,160 --> 00:07:39,360 Speaker 1: And then on the flip side of that, how much 125 00:07:39,440 --> 00:07:41,040 Speaker 1: do you think that's going to make a difference. We 126 00:07:41,120 --> 00:07:43,440 Speaker 1: know baseball is this sport where it's the most difficult 127 00:07:43,440 --> 00:07:44,320 Speaker 1: to turn a team around. 128 00:07:44,400 --> 00:07:47,440 Speaker 2: It takes longer than it does in any other sport. 129 00:07:48,160 --> 00:07:49,960 Speaker 1: Do you think that they'll have I mean, the Rockies 130 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:51,920 Speaker 1: have exhibited patients before, so I believe they will. 131 00:07:51,960 --> 00:07:53,480 Speaker 2: But do you think they'll have the patience to see 132 00:07:53,480 --> 00:07:54,160 Speaker 2: this all the way through? 133 00:07:55,680 --> 00:08:02,520 Speaker 3: Yeah? I do. I'm I'm excited about that particular aspect 134 00:08:02,720 --> 00:08:08,320 Speaker 3: of getting it right and being willing to understand it 135 00:08:08,520 --> 00:08:12,080 Speaker 3: might take a little while to get it right. You know, 136 00:08:12,880 --> 00:08:17,400 Speaker 3: the focus obviously goes to Warren Shafer being retained today. 137 00:08:17,680 --> 00:08:20,400 Speaker 3: You know that Paul wanted Warren to be in that 138 00:08:20,680 --> 00:08:24,560 Speaker 3: role kind of subtly as it happened, but it's it's 139 00:08:24,640 --> 00:08:28,840 Speaker 3: a telling sign of what the Depodesta regime is going 140 00:08:28,920 --> 00:08:33,040 Speaker 3: to be about. The big league pitching coach, the Triple 141 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:38,559 Speaker 3: A pitching coach, the director of pitching performance, and a 142 00:08:38,760 --> 00:08:44,520 Speaker 3: fourth in a minor league pitching coordinator all were not 143 00:08:44,720 --> 00:08:48,640 Speaker 3: brought back. So you know, this is where Paul, I 144 00:08:48,760 --> 00:08:51,800 Speaker 3: think is going to initially try and put his stamp 145 00:08:51,960 --> 00:08:56,360 Speaker 3: on things, is trying the people that he believes can 146 00:08:56,520 --> 00:08:59,599 Speaker 3: help the Rockies. You know, they're never going to be 147 00:09:00,559 --> 00:09:03,319 Speaker 3: the number one pitching staff in baseball, but to be 148 00:09:03,559 --> 00:09:06,960 Speaker 3: a lot better than they've been the last couple of years, 149 00:09:07,120 --> 00:09:08,840 Speaker 3: especially starting pitching. 150 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:12,720 Speaker 4: Jack One more from me. You know, baseball at altitude 151 00:09:13,360 --> 00:09:15,240 Speaker 4: is really fun to watch. A lot of hits, a 152 00:09:15,240 --> 00:09:17,960 Speaker 4: lot of home runs, and the Rockies have had success 153 00:09:18,160 --> 00:09:21,439 Speaker 4: with that. When you go back to the nineties era, 154 00:09:21,800 --> 00:09:27,240 Speaker 4: late nineties. But it is winning sustainable at altitude because 155 00:09:27,280 --> 00:09:31,720 Speaker 4: you seem to wear your pitchers out every year. We also, 156 00:09:31,840 --> 00:09:34,280 Speaker 4: I think we could also guess that it's going to 157 00:09:34,320 --> 00:09:37,959 Speaker 4: be tough to get big free agent pitchers that want 158 00:09:37,960 --> 00:09:38,760 Speaker 4: to come here and pitch. 159 00:09:40,640 --> 00:09:43,120 Speaker 3: Well, you're never going to get big free agent pitchers 160 00:09:43,240 --> 00:09:47,080 Speaker 3: coming here unless they're you know, Denver born and raised 161 00:09:47,200 --> 00:09:50,480 Speaker 3: and want to come back and finish their career here. 162 00:09:51,760 --> 00:09:54,360 Speaker 3: That's just kind of a reality. And it gets back 163 00:09:54,440 --> 00:10:01,000 Speaker 3: to the comment or the question before about culture. You 164 00:10:01,280 --> 00:10:06,880 Speaker 3: have to have the type of pictures, and more likely 165 00:10:06,920 --> 00:10:10,240 Speaker 3: you're going to have to develop them through your drafts 166 00:10:10,600 --> 00:10:14,240 Speaker 3: and then trades. But guys who are going to understand that, hey, 167 00:10:14,800 --> 00:10:18,319 Speaker 3: giving up five runs is not the worst thing in 168 00:10:18,400 --> 00:10:21,479 Speaker 3: the world when I'm at home, because that's a reality. 169 00:10:21,640 --> 00:10:24,800 Speaker 3: And so that you earned run average or other things 170 00:10:25,320 --> 00:10:29,800 Speaker 3: mean less, and walks per nine innings mean more, and 171 00:10:30,040 --> 00:10:35,040 Speaker 3: ground ball right means more, and strikeouts mean more than 172 00:10:35,120 --> 00:10:39,120 Speaker 3: the home runs you're going to give up, just with 173 00:10:39,280 --> 00:10:43,400 Speaker 3: the reality of that, and then to have also Rick 174 00:10:43,880 --> 00:10:49,360 Speaker 3: and I think the mindset that when I go out 175 00:10:49,440 --> 00:10:53,000 Speaker 3: on the road, because I was able to be good 176 00:10:53,640 --> 00:10:56,040 Speaker 3: enough at home that now on the road, I can 177 00:10:56,160 --> 00:10:58,520 Speaker 3: dominate because I have ideal conditions. 178 00:10:59,400 --> 00:11:02,720 Speaker 2: Kyo, Jack Corgan, Voice of your Colorado Rockies. 179 00:11:02,800 --> 00:11:06,080 Speaker 1: As we look forward to the next season, is there 180 00:11:06,080 --> 00:11:08,079 Speaker 1: any I mean, I see some building blocks here with 181 00:11:08,120 --> 00:11:08,440 Speaker 1: this team. 182 00:11:08,440 --> 00:11:11,240 Speaker 2: I know you obviously do every day out there that 183 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:13,439 Speaker 2: they can build around. Is there any solution though, to 184 00:11:13,880 --> 00:11:15,440 Speaker 2: maybe the Chris Bryant situation. 185 00:11:17,480 --> 00:11:21,679 Speaker 3: Oh golly, I gotta go, Benjamin. I'm sorry, you know, 186 00:11:26,480 --> 00:11:30,719 Speaker 3: it is the It is hanging over the franchise. I mean, 187 00:11:30,880 --> 00:11:34,120 Speaker 3: I don't think Chris is going to play, you know, 188 00:11:34,240 --> 00:11:37,240 Speaker 3: another game in the big leagues. It just sounds like 189 00:11:37,440 --> 00:11:40,600 Speaker 3: it's a condition. It's just not going to enable him 190 00:11:40,640 --> 00:11:44,400 Speaker 3: to play at the level that's comfortable enough for him 191 00:11:44,760 --> 00:11:48,080 Speaker 3: or good enough, you know, to play amongst the best 192 00:11:48,600 --> 00:11:52,559 Speaker 3: baseball players in the world. You know, I'm hopeful that 193 00:11:53,520 --> 00:11:58,120 Speaker 3: they'll reach some kind of decision on that because it 194 00:11:58,200 --> 00:12:00,319 Speaker 3: does hang over the club a little bit. And I 195 00:12:00,480 --> 00:12:02,480 Speaker 3: get that he wants to keep playing. They're gonna have 196 00:12:02,520 --> 00:12:05,240 Speaker 3: to pay him the money regardless. But if there's a 197 00:12:05,360 --> 00:12:09,480 Speaker 3: way to move on from it, you know that that 198 00:12:09,720 --> 00:12:13,480 Speaker 3: Chris does retire and maybe they work out some solution 199 00:12:13,800 --> 00:12:17,560 Speaker 3: to defer some of the money that they are going 200 00:12:17,640 --> 00:12:20,640 Speaker 3: to have to pay him. Spread it out, not Bobby 201 00:12:20,679 --> 00:12:23,120 Speaker 3: Beni alike, but spread it out a little bit and 202 00:12:23,280 --> 00:12:27,679 Speaker 3: then you know, have the chance to use that money 203 00:12:27,960 --> 00:12:31,160 Speaker 3: in other areas. But you know, it was it was 204 00:12:31,240 --> 00:12:34,760 Speaker 3: something the Rocky's tried and you know it didn't work. 205 00:12:34,880 --> 00:12:38,440 Speaker 3: And as as as Paul Di Badesta said, he goes 206 00:12:38,559 --> 00:12:41,320 Speaker 3: he went through the Deshaun Watson stuff with the Browns, 207 00:12:41,440 --> 00:12:46,120 Speaker 3: so he's used to that, you know, as something that 208 00:12:46,240 --> 00:12:48,040 Speaker 3: you're just gonna have to figure out a solution. 209 00:12:51,320 --> 00:12:51,520 Speaker 1: Jack. 210 00:12:51,840 --> 00:12:54,400 Speaker 2: We appreciate you taking the time out to talk to 211 00:12:54,480 --> 00:12:56,000 Speaker 2: be and Rick today and you know. 212 00:12:56,040 --> 00:12:58,320 Speaker 1: Hopefully this War and Shaeffer thing works out better than 213 00:12:58,440 --> 00:13:00,920 Speaker 1: any of us in vision and look or to listen 214 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:03,560 Speaker 1: to you guys obviously on the call this spring. 215 00:13:04,880 --> 00:13:07,680 Speaker 3: Sounds good. Always great to visit with you guys anytime, 216 00:13:07,760 --> 00:13:08,240 Speaker 3: my friends. 217 00:13:09,440 --> 00:13:11,199 Speaker 4: Thanksgiving, Jack, I appreciate it. 218 00:13:11,280 --> 00:13:15,800 Speaker 1: Jack Corgan yep, voice of your Colorado Rockies. Always love 219 00:13:16,280 --> 00:13:18,319 Speaker 1: talking to h talking to Jack. Get a chance to 220 00:13:18,320 --> 00:13:19,679 Speaker 1: talk about the Rockies in a you know, in a 221 00:13:19,720 --> 00:13:22,120 Speaker 1: somewhat positive manner versus the way that it's been for 222 00:13:22,200 --> 00:13:23,240 Speaker 1: the last couple of seasons.