Speaker 1: Don't want to be an American.
Speaker 2: It's got so lung. Show back on seven hundred, wolbody
Speaker 2: got an election coming up Tuesday. Levees in a dozen places,
Speaker 2: local offices, and there's a big CPS renewal. We've got
Speaker 2: the mayor's race, of course, and some twenty six people.
Speaker 2: It feels like three thousand people trying to place in
Speaker 2: the top nine. So twenty six people looking for nine
Speaker 2: jobs in a Sea Down council on this and more.
Speaker 2: Is the person who controls it all. That would be
Speaker 2: the director of the Hamlet County Board of Elections, Sherry Poland,
Speaker 2: welcome back. How are you.
Speaker 3: I'm doing well, Thanks for having me.
Speaker 2: You always in a good mood. This is like right now
Speaker 2: I would be just crabby af you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: because you got so much coming at you right now.
Speaker 2: All right, so we'll start with this. The polls up
Speaker 2: on Tuesday, six thirty am to seven thirty I believe correct.
Speaker 3: That's crack six thirty am to seven thirty pm.
Speaker 2: Don't forget the driver's license.
Speaker 3: That's correct, that's correct. A few years ago, Hi Ohio
Speaker 3: changed these acceptable forms of ID for voting, so in
Speaker 3: order to vote in person, you do need to have
Speaker 3: a State of Ohio driver's license or a State of
Speaker 3: Ohio identification card, or a passport or military ID. So
Speaker 3: make sure it's not expired. Make sure it's up to
Speaker 3: date before you come to the polls.
Speaker 2: Okay, I bring one that's expired, I forget it. What happens,
Speaker 2: I can vote.
Speaker 3: No problem. If you do not have an acceptable form
Speaker 3: of ID, you will be issued what we call a
Speaker 3: provisional ballot. It's the same ballot that's issued to every
Speaker 3: other voter you would market, but instead of scanning it
Speaker 3: and having it counted election night, it's placed inside what
Speaker 3: we call a provisional envelope and that has your identifying
Speaker 3: information on it. You fill that out after election day.
Speaker 3: Bipartisan teams verify the information on the envelope, and the
Speaker 3: voter has four days after election day, so that's the
Speaker 3: Saturday after election Day to come to the Board of
Speaker 3: Elections and present an acceptable form of ID. They do,
Speaker 3: then that ballot will be added to the official count,
Speaker 3: which occurs a few weeks after election day. I do
Speaker 3: want to note that if you're in fign yourself in
Speaker 3: that situation right now, so your driver's license or state
Speaker 3: idea is expired. Go to the BMV before you come
Speaker 3: to the polls. That interim documentation that the BMB gives
Speaker 3: you while your identifications being mailed to you, that interim
Speaker 3: idea that's good for driving purposes, it's also acceptable for voting.
Speaker 3: So if you have that, you will not have to
Speaker 3: vote provisionally.
Speaker 2: Okay, got it. Let's talk about the early voting numbers,
Speaker 2: how early voting the absentee ballots, and how did the
Speaker 2: request compared to previous elections and what does that tell
Speaker 2: you about what's going to happen Tuesday?
Speaker 3: Yeah, So absent te voting, which is that umbrella that
Speaker 3: contains both voting by mail and early in person voting.
Speaker 3: We're pretty much right on track as to the twenty
Speaker 3: twenty one election. So four years ago, once again Cincinnati
Speaker 3: was voting council members and this election, that turnout is
Speaker 3: tracking right on pace with that twenty twenty one election.
Speaker 2: Okay, compare that to like a presidential cycle, the last
Speaker 2: presidential election, so one percent. Okay, what are we talking?
Speaker 4: Yeah, So in.
Speaker 3: Twenty twenty one, county wide, we saw a twenty six
Speaker 3: percent turnout. City Cincinnati is slightly lower, a twenty five percent.
Speaker 3: Compare that to a presidential where we see a seventy
Speaker 3: two percent turnout. So unfortunately, we don't see the turnout
Speaker 3: in odd numbered years elections than we do in the
Speaker 3: even years. But you know, we it's kind of hard
Speaker 3: for us in the business to understand why that happens
Speaker 3: because we are voting for our local elected officials. These
Speaker 3: are the folks that really have an impact on our
Speaker 3: day to day lives. So I encourage everyone if you
Speaker 3: haven't voted yet, voted yet early voting in person is
Speaker 3: still ongoing through Sunday, and you know your polls will
Speaker 3: be open in your community on election day, get out
Speaker 3: and vote.
Speaker 2: I would say it's simply but it's marketing, I think right,
Speaker 2: because in a presidential cycle, it's in your face all
Speaker 2: the time. You're getting tons of robo calls, social media
Speaker 2: feed is packed with political messages and bickering. You turn
Speaker 2: on a streaming show or TV and you're inundated with
Speaker 2: political messages, president presidential races front and center, And I
Speaker 2: think it just the marketing drives more people to polls.
Speaker 2: That's my theory.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely. Something else we see is that you know,
Speaker 3: sometimes controversial issues will bring voters out to the polls.
Speaker 3: So two years ago, twenty twenty three odd year, you know,
Speaker 3: election again, looking electing local officials, we saw a higher turnout.
Speaker 3: I think we saw a forty eight percent turnout in
Speaker 3: twenty twenty three. But that your abortion, marijuana, we're both
Speaker 3: on the ballot. So the issues can also drive out turnout.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and I think me and that's probably a
Speaker 2: good point too, is the more globally issued. That's a
Speaker 2: state issue. But everyone's like, okay, I can identify with that.
Speaker 2: You start talking about millage and levees and school boards
Speaker 2: and dogcatchers, people's eyes glaze over, rightly or wrongly. I
Speaker 2: think that's how we're programs. Like I got my ballot
Speaker 2: where we just moved to and looked at, and there
Speaker 2: were like three or four things on there, and most
Speaker 2: of them were fairly inane. There's a levee issue, which
Speaker 2: I voted on, but the other ones were like, I
Speaker 2: don't know who these people are. Did some research found
Speaker 2: out some of them? Other ones I just and the
Speaker 2: ones I looked at when I have no idea who
Speaker 2: they are, I can't find any information on them. I
Speaker 2: just left blank, which you can do.
Speaker 4: You can do.
Speaker 3: You can absolutely skip the contest. That is your right
Speaker 3: to do that. But I think you bring up another
Speaker 3: very good point, and that is to become an informed voter.
Speaker 3: And it's easy to do if you vote by mail
Speaker 3: because that ballot is mail to your house. You can
Speaker 3: fit take your time to the research. However, for this election,
Speaker 3: voting by mail has ended. That ended on Tuesday. Anyone
Speaker 3: who wished to vote by mail had to submit an
Speaker 3: application to the board by this past Tuesday, Chamber twenty,
Speaker 3: so voting by mail has ended. But what you can
Speaker 3: do if you are going to vote in person and
Speaker 3: is go on to our website Vote Hamilton County, Ohio
Speaker 3: dot gov. Vote Hamilton County, Ohio dot gov. Go onto
Speaker 3: our website and you can look up your sample ballot
Speaker 3: on our website so it looks almost identical to the
Speaker 3: ballot you'll received when you walk into the polling place.
Speaker 3: So review ahead of time, do your research like you did,
Speaker 3: and become an informed voter so there's no surprises when
Speaker 3: you walk into the polling place. You can go in
Speaker 3: knowing how you want to cast your ballot.
Speaker 2: Scott's Onland with Sherry Poland. She's the director Hamilin County
Speaker 2: Board of Elections got the election coming up Tuesday. If
Speaker 2: you're in person, at six point thirty relative to that, Sherry,
Speaker 2: you know, you mentioned the twenty right around twenty six
Speaker 2: percent turnout right around that maybe twenty five one out
Speaker 2: every four voters in the city. And sometimes issues will
Speaker 2: bring out more people on off year elections, as this
Speaker 2: one is because you don't have the hype of the
Speaker 2: presidential I understand that, and I think people are just
Speaker 2: fatigued too going I'm going to take a knee here
Speaker 2: this year. I don't need to show. But I thought,
Speaker 2: you know, with the crime issue in Cincinnati, and I
Speaker 2: know you can't get in and that's not your area concern,
Speaker 2: you're just managing the election. But I thought, for sure,
Speaker 2: with the interesting crime downtown and the number of people
Speaker 2: running for counsel, that would I get I guess, maybe
Speaker 2: drive more people out.
Speaker 3: That surprised me, you know, and it's still a possibility
Speaker 3: on election day. You know, the majority of voters in
Speaker 3: Hamilton County still choose to vote on election day, so
Speaker 3: you know, we might see that higher turnout come.
Speaker 5: Then.
Speaker 3: You know, I don't have a crystal ball that tells
Speaker 3: me that, but we'll find out on Tuesday.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exact, we'll find out together on Tuesday. Regarding that too,
Speaker 2: how many more people this year And I'm sure you're
Speaker 2: looking at the trend and it's just align almost straight upward.
Speaker 2: I would guess the number of people taking advantage of
Speaker 2: the very generous way we can vote early in the
Speaker 2: Buckeye State, where like me, I just would rather have
Speaker 2: it mail to my house. I'd get a cup of coffee,
Speaker 2: sit there on a Sunday afternoon morning, I guess before
Speaker 2: football and figure out who I'm and what I'm voting for,
Speaker 2: do a little research. Whereas typically you don't have that
Speaker 2: kind of time. You feel pressured if you're standing there
Speaker 2: in queue, and then you know, getting into the booth
Speaker 2: itself to actually punch the draw the little circles. I guess,
Speaker 2: not punched the card, but draw the circle. This is
Speaker 2: easier to know how many more people are taking advantage?
Speaker 2: Are we seeing the trend continue upward?
Speaker 3: What we're seeing continue to trend upward is the early
Speaker 3: in person voting. It's just become, you know, extremely extremely
Speaker 3: popular in Hamilton County. It started when we moved the
Speaker 3: Board of Elections away from downtown to our current facility
Speaker 3: in Norwood. You know, it's more centrally located in the
Speaker 3: county that we serve. We have you know, a large
Speaker 3: amount of free public parking, and that's that is what's
Speaker 3: trending upward, is that early in person vote voting every
Speaker 3: election we outpass the last similar election. When it comes
Speaker 3: to that, voting by mail is you know, sort of
Speaker 3: holding study or maybe dropping slightly. You know, during twenty twenty,
Speaker 3: we had many many people vote by mail, obviously due
Speaker 3: to the pandemic, and we thought that perhaps that trend
Speaker 3: would continue because now we have so many people that
Speaker 3: were never exposed to voting by mail before, they might
Speaker 3: have found it to be very convenient. But that didn't happen.
Speaker 3: After twenty twenty, we went back to the majority of
Speaker 3: Hamilt's County voters casting their ballot the traditional way at
Speaker 3: the polling place.
Speaker 2: On election I hate that's happening.
Speaker 3: I don't know, you know, I think one way. You know,
Speaker 3: we live in the Midwest. We like our traditions. You know,
Speaker 3: I know a lot of people that say to me,
Speaker 3: you know, no, I go into my polling place on
Speaker 3: election day. That's a sacred day to me. That's what
Speaker 3: I do and I'm not going to deviate, you know,
Speaker 3: from that, which you know, I think is interesting. Then
Speaker 3: we have a lot of people with the early voting.
Speaker 3: You know, we have voting for almost a month at
Speaker 3: our Early Vote Center, and it is and people find
Speaker 3: it to be, you know, extremely convenient.
Speaker 6: I will note.
Speaker 3: Obviously, on election day you must go to your assigned
Speaker 3: polling place, which is based on where you live, whereas
Speaker 3: at the Early Vote Center, you know, anyone who no
Speaker 3: matter where you live in Hamilton Counties, your registered voter,
Speaker 3: you can come and vote the Early Vote Center. So
Speaker 3: many times we see families coming together so where they
Speaker 3: might be you know, assigned to different polling places because
Speaker 3: they don't all live, you know, in the same home.
Speaker 3: We see a lot of people sort of making a
Speaker 3: family event and coming together the early votes thatenter, then
Speaker 3: going going out to eat or something like that afterwards,
Speaker 3: or sort of the stories that we that we hear,
Speaker 3: and again it's it's extremely convenient. And the hours that
Speaker 3: we have I will note we're open today and tomorrow
Speaker 3: from seven thirty am to seven thirty pm Saturday eight
Speaker 3: am to four pm. Early voting ends on Sunday and
Speaker 3: it's the shortest hours we have by state law. We're
Speaker 3: open from one pm to five pm on Sunday, so
Speaker 3: still plenty of time to come on and vote early
Speaker 3: in person at.
Speaker 2: The board Cherry Poland with all the event of early voting,
Speaker 2: and you know, they're still traditional south there. I don't
Speaker 2: know how young people do that, because you know young people,
Speaker 2: they'll probably mail it in. I mean, if you could
Speaker 2: text your vote in, they probably all over that. I
Speaker 2: would guess maybe I'd be that way too, I suppose.
Speaker 2: But how is this changing how you tabulate the elections?
Speaker 2: And normally you're sitting around waiting for the results to
Speaker 2: come in. Sometimes it's the middle of the night when
Speaker 2: they come. You know, if you're voting early, either in person,
Speaker 2: by mail or however, you have those votes and of
Speaker 2: course you have them in hand and you're ready to
Speaker 2: release those results the minute the polls closed. So you
Speaker 2: got a lot of stuff done up front, so to speak.
Speaker 2: How's that changed your job? And also when the results
Speaker 2: come out, Yeah, that's.
Speaker 3: A great question. You know, in the state of Ohio,
Speaker 3: we are permitted election officials are permitted to process those
Speaker 3: vote by mail ballots as soon as they come in.
Speaker 3: You have a handful of states that won't allow the
Speaker 3: election officials to begin those acts of preparation until election warning.
Speaker 3: But in Ohio, we can verify all the information that's
Speaker 3: contained on the envelope ahead of time as soon as
Speaker 3: we receive it. Once we determine that that vote by
Speaker 3: mail ballot is accepted for counting, we remove the ballot.
Speaker 3: It scanned, it's not tabulated, it's scanned, and the cast
Speaker 3: vote record is what we call it is stored. And
Speaker 3: then the ballot is stored in a secure facility here
Speaker 3: at the Ware of Elections. Then on election night, as
Speaker 3: soon as the polls closed at seven point thirty one PM,
Speaker 3: we then hit the tabulate button, so the no ballots
Speaker 3: are counted until the polls closed, but we are permitted
Speaker 3: to do those acts of preparation.
Speaker 2: Yeah, scam, get him ready to go, so that makes
Speaker 2: the results come in here. And that's a big question here,
Speaker 2: Sherry Poland. Is it's not about you know, free and
Speaker 2: open elections and exercising your constitutional right to cast your
Speaker 2: vote one person, one voice, and one vote, as the
Speaker 2: case may be. This is not about that. This is
Speaker 2: about Brian Combs, our assistant news director wants to know
Speaker 2: what time he can go home on Tuesday Tuesday night.
Speaker 3: Again, I don't have a crystal ball that would that
Speaker 3: would tell me that. We hope, always hope at one
Speaker 3: hundred to be one hundred percent report before eleven pm,
Speaker 3: you know. And again just to talk a little bit
Speaker 3: more about the election night count and how that works.
Speaker 3: We mentioned the early votes best early in person and
Speaker 3: by mail are the very first ballots that are tabulated
Speaker 3: and released on election night, and then it's a little
Speaker 3: bit of a waiting game for those ballots to come
Speaker 3: in from the polling places all across Hamilton County. And
Speaker 3: that's because our voting equipment is not connected to the internet.
Speaker 3: In fact, it doesn't they don't even have the capability
Speaker 3: of being connected to the internet. So the physical delivery
Speaker 3: of the ballots and the equipment from the bipartisan poll
Speaker 3: workers to the bipartisan teams at the Board of Elections,
Speaker 3: so it takes a little time for them to come in.
Speaker 3: So we'll usually we have a few early pickup locations
Speaker 3: will actually send teams out from the Board so we
Speaker 3: can have some results trickling in early, you know, usually
Speaker 3: between eight thirty and nine, but the majority of those
Speaker 3: ballots arrives at the board around nine, so that's typically
Speaker 3: when we start to see you know, most of the
Speaker 3: results come in between nine thirty and ten thirty, and
Speaker 3: again we always hope to be at one hundred percent,
Speaker 3: you know, before before eleven o'clock. We know it's a
Speaker 3: long day. We know everyone is anxiously awaiting and constantly
Speaker 3: hitting that refresh button. But you know, a latch and
Speaker 3: officials will never trade you know, security and accuracy for speed.
Speaker 2: Gotcha.
Speaker 3: I'll just have to be a little bit patient to
Speaker 3: make sure the results coming in are accuracy.
Speaker 2: I know you have last minute preparations. You got to
Speaker 2: go check the tires, make sure the dipstick has oil
Speaker 2: in it. You got to go make sure the voting machines,
Speaker 2: everything's ready to go. You're a busy lady. I always
Speaker 2: appreciate it talking to you and enjoy our conversations and
Speaker 2: appreciate what you do for democracy. It's an important thing,
Speaker 2: even especially in off years when you have lower turnout
Speaker 2: and probably fewer workers to deal with, et cetera. So
Speaker 2: all the best, Jerry Poland thanks again for coming on
Speaker 2: the show. How about a nice quiet Tuesday, does that
Speaker 2: sound good.
Speaker 3: That sounds wonderful to me.
Speaker 2: It's fuzz you've seen some stuff, yeah we have.
Speaker 3: But we have a great team here at the Board
Speaker 3: of Election. I cannot praise the staff here and now
Speaker 3: if it's truly a place where Democrats and Republicans come
Speaker 3: together to do the people's work.
Speaker 2: So got to have a shout out to them all
Speaker 2: the best, Cherry, be well, good luck, Thank you much,
Speaker 2: Sherry poland that as you're a director Hamiley County Board
Speaker 2: of Elections and love it. She's great. She's just a
Speaker 2: great personnel, a great person and really cares about her
Speaker 2: job and the integrity of the election above all else.
Speaker 2: So six thirty am Tuesday, if you're an in person voter,
Speaker 2: go get it done. If you already did it, like me,
Speaker 2: you just sit back and wait for results to come in.
Speaker 2: And I have no idea what to tell Brian Combs.
Speaker 2: This is all about Colms is like, Hey, you're talking
Speaker 2: to Sherry Paul. Ask her when she thinks I can
Speaker 2: go home. It's all about him, you know this, this
Speaker 2: democracy of two hundred and fifty years still a long time.
Speaker 2: And we tabulate the elections and sometimes they're contentious, Sometimes
Speaker 2: we fight two thousand comes to mind, and basically they're
Speaker 2: in the odds. We had a lot of contentious elections.
Speaker 2: Along came early voting kind of eased the process, made
Speaker 2: a little bit easier.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 2: It wasn't like three or four o'clock in the morning.
Speaker 2: There weren't all these few challenges and stuff like that,
Speaker 2: especially on off here. We're not going to get that
Speaker 2: all Brian Combs wants to know, despite all of that history,
Speaker 2: despite it being the cornerstone of our constitution, of our
Speaker 2: whal life here in America, one person, one vote, all
Speaker 2: Brian Combs cares about is what time he can go
Speaker 2: home and have a beer. Scott's Loan Show seven hundred
Speaker 2: w weld Slowly seven hundred WLW interesting. Sherry poland director
Speaker 2: Hamlin County Boe just on the show last half hour.
Speaker 2: If you missed, it'll be on the podcast following the show.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 2: The turnout so far, the projection is right around twenty
Speaker 2: five twenty six percent, which is where we've been in
Speaker 2: previous elections. I'm not that politically savvy to analyze it
Speaker 2: and break it down like Chuck Todd and tell you
Speaker 2: what all that means. And reading the tea leaves because
Speaker 2: generally even people like that are notoriously wrong about those projections.
Speaker 2: Don't know if that helps or hurts the incumbents, and
Speaker 2: that would be the members of council. But in particular,
Speaker 2: this is going to be somewhat of a referendum on
Speaker 2: AFT to have pure vol. Pure vol most likely is
Speaker 2: gonna win. Right, you have incredible amount of funding. You
Speaker 2: have the deep blue democratic machine of Hamlin County and
Speaker 2: therefore the city Cincinnati even deeper blue because you don't
Speaker 2: have the outlying suburbs.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 2: That and the fact you're the incumbent. It's kind of
Speaker 2: an off year. There's not really big issues out there. Yeah,
Speaker 2: maybe to some degree CPS, but that's a renewal levee. Uh,
Speaker 2: nobody's really driving the vote out here. Does that help
Speaker 2: or her to AFT have pure vol? But not AFT
Speaker 2: have because I think he wins maybe a little closer
Speaker 2: than he'd like for sure. And it's not an you know,
Speaker 2: it's certainly not an indictment of Corey Bowman in his
Speaker 2: campaign at that did a pretty good job, But there's
Speaker 2: baggage there in deep blue Hamlet County. Being the brother
Speaker 2: of JD. Vans, and being a Republican. But I think
Speaker 2: though that I would have been around long enough to
Speaker 2: maybe see this is that you wonder though, if the
Speaker 2: voters aren't going to take it out on Counsole. So
Speaker 2: you have twenty six people running for nine seats, something's
Speaker 2: gonna give, And I wonder what counseol looks like come
Speaker 2: Wednesday morning at that point, or shockingly, what if the
Speaker 2: same nine people or maybe I don't know, one or
Speaker 2: two change the body of Counsole. I don't think you're
Speaker 2: going to see you know, we'll throw all the bums
Speaker 2: out kind of mentality, but it's gonna be interesting. But
Speaker 2: the turnout, you think with crime being center stage, and
Speaker 2: I'll have Liz keating on it later on the show,
Speaker 2: actually ten oh seven this morning, I'll ask her specifically
Speaker 2: about what she's seeing on the streets because she's working
Speaker 2: really hard, seeing a lot. She's been really aggressive campaigning,
Speaker 2: a lot of money behind her, a lot of TV ads,
Speaker 2: a lot of print, a lot of social media signage
Speaker 2: and stuff like that. So she's really leaning her shoulder
Speaker 2: in this what I'd be surprised if she doesn't win
Speaker 2: a seed at this point, as hard as she's worked
Speaker 2: and also the track record and say what she says
Speaker 2: about all this stuff. And yesterday, of course the drama,
Speaker 2: the steady direct from city council. It's like, people go,
Speaker 2: why are you still talking? Why do you talk about
Speaker 2: this every day? Because every day there's something new. You know,
Speaker 2: before the day before it was well, now the city's
Speaker 2: hiring a law firm for forty to fifty grand to
Speaker 2: find out why we fired Terry Thigi after we fired
Speaker 2: her what And then yesterday it was friends and family
Speaker 2: members of Terry Thigi wearing I Support Chief thig t
Speaker 2: shirt showing up to council and having their saying really
Speaker 2: going at city council. I think there's a thing too
Speaker 2: for most people, you know, average voters, people show up
Speaker 2: that probably maybe just every four years, even for a
Speaker 2: presidential if that is like, don't understand how it all
Speaker 2: works with council that they essentially control the purse strings.
Speaker 2: But okay, so Afteb's the mayor and then you get
Speaker 2: your along the city manager and then when they fire Thiji,
Speaker 2: Afteb says, well that's a city manager. You're gonna have
Speaker 2: to hit her. And then the city manager says, well,
Speaker 2: I can't really comment the personnel issue. So you've got
Speaker 2: all these people with just ample amounts of cover, and
Speaker 2: the mayor will blame council, council blame the city manager's
Speaker 2: city manager blames the council, and it's just there's no
Speaker 2: accountability there. And I think the core of it, that's
Speaker 2: what's frustrating that in the just the dire, the horrible
Speaker 2: lack of communication from this administration on help plowing the streets,
Speaker 2: fixing the potholes. You know, they had a what was
Speaker 2: it in a contest for people to come up with
Speaker 2: ways to let the city know where the potholes are? Well,
Speaker 2: what the hell is that? We had the big mac
Speaker 2: Bridge fire? How is that handled poorly? You can't, of course,
Speaker 2: expect to have the city streets now to wash with
Speaker 2: traffic when you close a major artery like that. I
Speaker 2: get that, but it took two weeks before anybody said, oh, yeah,
Speaker 2: we probably should come up with a plan here. And
Speaker 2: I could go on and on about the violence this summer,
Speaker 2: and that's what voters are staring at. We'll find out
Speaker 2: on Tuesday, as they say, and I know that goes
Speaker 2: without saying, but I'm interested see what the fallout is
Speaker 2: from this whole thing, if any because I'll be honest
Speaker 2: with you, if nothing were changes here and you're in
Speaker 2: the city and you're concerned about this stuff, and just
Speaker 2: vote for these same people you've always voted for. You
Speaker 2: know what, I don't get it. We just had a
Speaker 2: no King's protest and there's a lot of overlap. Now
Speaker 2: there are different different beliefs, but there's a lot of
Speaker 2: overlap between what we're talking about with the mayor of
Speaker 2: Cincinnati and the President of the United States. And so
Speaker 2: if you're really anti one, I don't know how this
Speaker 2: isn't creep in and go wow, we've got a leadership
Speaker 2: problem in this country, whether it's Democrats or Republicans for
Speaker 2: that matter. Anyway, more than that ten oh seven list
Speaker 2: keating Council. I'm looking to get back into council here
Speaker 2: and we'll get to her coming up in just a
Speaker 2: few here on seven hundred WLW. You don't one of
Speaker 2: my chronic complaints, the bitch and moan factor. I don't
Speaker 2: know if it's a complaint real, it's observation.
Speaker 6: Right.
Speaker 2: I went to college, my wife went to colle who
Speaker 2: we met a college, went to university, did what we're
Speaker 2: supposed to do, because back in the eighties I would
Speaker 2: not particularly bright as you know back then, but you
Speaker 2: just needed like a pulse and a number two pencil,
Speaker 2: like yeah, you got those two things. Ah yeah, okay,
Speaker 2: come on in. We'll take you today. A whole different thing.
Speaker 2: You know, even a I don't ember say the point average.
Speaker 2: Generally a four point is a good perfect Now we've
Speaker 2: got people with above a four point grade point average
Speaker 2: and still can't get into their core classes or a
Speaker 2: program of study because we have made college more important
Speaker 2: than it should be. And I say that not because
Speaker 2: I think college is a wasted time, waste of money.
Speaker 2: It is for some people. We still need people in
Speaker 2: the stems, and there's still doctors and nurses and engineers
Speaker 2: and mathemagicians and the real fingers out there. But the
Speaker 2: problem is when you allowed the federal government to come
Speaker 2: in and make money off of this through federalizing the
Speaker 2: loans and the whole scam, and I'll call it the
Speaker 2: college scam, where you have people coming in not knowing
Speaker 2: what they're going to do. You know, it used to
Speaker 2: be go in and change your major eleven times, and
Speaker 2: you know you have your loan paid off in a
Speaker 2: reasonable bond of time. It still took my wife and
Speaker 2: I and we graduated in the early nine well, late
Speaker 2: late daies, early nineties, it still took us. Yeah, it
Speaker 2: wasn't quite ten years, but took us a while to
Speaker 2: pay those loans off. Now more chance do you have.
Speaker 2: And I think that's part of the problem. You know,
Speaker 2: if you go in you're gonna go get a degree
Speaker 2: in metater or something, but you're still going to get
Speaker 2: like a philosophy degree or archaeology or art history or
Speaker 2: something like that. I mean, why are we still offering
Speaker 2: those majors? And it's not an indictment of one university.
Speaker 2: It's a system. It's the entire system. But if you
Speaker 2: don't think it's about money, it's about higher education and
Speaker 2: the best way I don't know. I got a call
Speaker 2: like it is. So our friends at Xavier University have
Speaker 2: changed how the campus living requirement is. So starting fall
Speaker 2: of next year, if you go to x you need
Speaker 2: to live on campus now for three years. And that
Speaker 2: applies to students ages seventeen to twenty one. If you're
Speaker 2: commuting or living with a parent or guardian, different story,
Speaker 2: but they're going to force you to stay on campus
Speaker 2: now for an extra year. And unfortunately, students are not
Speaker 2: happy about this because I think the student body president
Speaker 2: said it's the most unpopular policy changed by far. Because
Speaker 2: they never asked us. We found about it on social media.
Speaker 2: Let's just and Xavier says, no, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 2: this is not this is not about money. It's this
Speaker 2: is what future students want and families want, and it's uh,
Speaker 2: it pays benefits because we tend to get higher graduation
Speaker 2: rates and there's a sense of community and other school
Speaker 2: but other schools are doing I always hate that other
Speaker 2: schools are doing it. You know, Georgetown and Notre Dame
Speaker 2: are doing it. I'm not quite sure because I'm looking
Speaker 2: at the numbers going off campus. Rent is according to
Speaker 2: the story, about five fifty a month right right around that.
Speaker 2: That's a sweet spot off campus, and then that's it.
Speaker 2: On campus housing they're getting up to like fifty six
Speaker 2: hund do per semester.
Speaker 4: So I add that up.
Speaker 2: Okay, that's five to fifty a month, five fifty six
Speaker 2: hundred for semester. But you're still talking, you know, just
Speaker 2: basic math, that's ten times more than rent. But all right,
Speaker 2: so a semester is three fee. You know, you're still
Speaker 2: paying a quite a high premium here, and you know
Speaker 2: it's between twenty seven hundred and fifty six hundred per semester,
Speaker 2: depending what kind of room you have, versus five point
Speaker 2: fifty a month. And that's a substantial price difference right there.
Speaker 2: And you know, I'm sorry when when you know they're
Speaker 2: you're dealing with and xaviers hoping about this, dealing with
Speaker 2: an operating budget. They're trying to figure out a new
Speaker 2: way to address the shortfall and the tuition revenue. When
Speaker 2: it starts to go in the other direction, though, what
Speaker 2: does that mean? You've got all these shiny business of
Speaker 2: these buildings.
Speaker 6: You have.
Speaker 2: Professors and administrators and staff you want to keep home
Speaker 2: and pay them and keep the lights. And there's a
Speaker 2: lot of overhead with this thing. But yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2: Now we're going to going to force students to stand
Speaker 2: on campus because I think it's going to work, It's
Speaker 2: gonna be higher retention rates. I don't know if I'm
Speaker 2: buying it. I look at it more pragmatically than that
Speaker 2: and go, I think it's about money. I think it's
Speaker 2: about you all wanting to keep that cash because you
Speaker 2: move off campus. Now I'm not living the dorm. I'm
Speaker 2: living I'm doing my and what I went through it.
Speaker 2: I think at BG, when I was in the back
Speaker 2: in the day, it was two years and even that
Speaker 2: I thought that first semester, you know, first year of school,
Speaker 2: you're a freshman. You don't know what's going on, especially me.
Speaker 2: I was the first one in my family to go,
Speaker 2: so I had no guidance whatsoever. Just kind of was
Speaker 2: like feral and back. But after that first year, you
Speaker 2: kind of like, Okay, I got this down. And by
Speaker 2: the second, like the first end of the first semester,
Speaker 2: second year in the dorm, you're like, I, you know,
Speaker 2: I can't wait to get the hell out of here.
Speaker 2: I can't wait to get my own apartment. I can
Speaker 2: come and go as I please, and there's no ra
Speaker 2: and I could do we can you know, you can
Speaker 2: do beer, you know, get a keg and beer bongs
Speaker 2: and kegstands and smoke weed and stuff you can't do
Speaker 2: anymore because I think they send you to guantanamo if
Speaker 2: you sip a beer under the age of twenty one. Nonetheless,
Speaker 2: that's what we're faced with. And so that was like, yeah,
Speaker 2: two three years is just there's no reason for that
Speaker 2: builds a sense of community. I you know what, it's
Speaker 2: four years of my life, okay, and I have great
Speaker 2: I still have friends from college, sure that I don't
Speaker 2: talk to all that often, but still friends, and I
Speaker 2: probably should talk to them more. But at the same time,
Speaker 2: it's like, okay, I build that sense of community that
Speaker 2: was not a dorms. I was like extra cricketer kind
Speaker 2: of stuff. So I look at this and go, yeah,
Speaker 2: it just feels like a money grab to me. And
Speaker 2: I'm kind of with the students on that one. And
Speaker 2: it's tough enough to pay for college. I got to
Speaker 2: pay more because you're forcing me at gunpoint to stay
Speaker 2: on campus. I don't know. And maybe because it's a
Speaker 2: Jesuit private institution, maybe there's something there, but I don't.
Speaker 2: At least at a public school. It feels different to me.
Speaker 2: And we're starting to see, you know, as we have
Speaker 2: few and fewer people. I heard a story I forgot
Speaker 2: where I heard this that for the first time ever.
Speaker 2: I was in news yesterday and I forget who was
Speaker 2: saying it. But the first time in our two hundred
Speaker 2: and fifty years of existence, as a country, we have
Speaker 2: more people aged sixty and older than people I think
Speaker 2: it was eighteen and older. So you know, we're getting
Speaker 2: a lot older, getting a lot grayer, is the point,
Speaker 2: and fewer people going to college at least for an
Speaker 2: extended period of time before we start to have more
Speaker 2: babies or more immigrants with kids. Colleges are going to
Speaker 2: suffer from this, and you wonder what that's going to
Speaker 2: look like with the contraction. I would think that, and
Speaker 2: we're seeing it ready. Some colleges just simply not going
Speaker 2: to be able to survive, and they're also going to
Speaker 2: have to look at quite honestly, they should and should
Speaker 2: have done this for a long time when they're fat
Speaker 2: and happy. You didn't have to now all of a
Speaker 2: sudden when you're looking for people to show up like
Speaker 2: it was when I was a kid. Right, because it's
Speaker 2: about population trends, you're not going to have to be
Speaker 2: as selective to go to school. So maybe the days
Speaker 2: of a pulse and the number two pencil are back
Speaker 2: in vogue. But it wouldn't be a number two pencil
Speaker 2: because that's old. I guess it would be a I
Speaker 2: don't know, a cell phone and a tablet and a pulse.
Speaker 2: So we're starting to see the effects now of the shutdown.
Speaker 2: I've been talking about this the past few days, and
Speaker 2: the SNAP benefits expiring on Saturday, and you know, the
Speaker 2: political will power standing your ground and Republicans are saying, nope,
Speaker 2: we're not moving on this. Democrats say, nope, we're not
Speaker 2: moving on this. In the meantime, the rest of us,
Speaker 2: the taxpayers, get screwed because our side has to win
Speaker 2: at all costs. Rather than governing and representing us and
Speaker 2: doing the hard work of governing, it's easier to simply
Speaker 2: draw a line in the sand and say we're not
Speaker 2: going to cross this. So for principle, but we're starting
Speaker 2: to see the effects going from the theater at the
Speaker 2: beginning for the first few weeks of this thing, to
Speaker 2: actual damage or people getting hurt anyway, and it would
Speaker 2: be the SNAP people for sure. And now we're starting
Speaker 2: to see those members of the federal workforce and contractors
Speaker 2: that get paid. And now air travel is getting to
Speaker 2: be a problem here, seven thousand flights today, the delayed
Speaker 2: nationwide on Monday. Air traffic controls. I mean, look at
Speaker 2: it this way. If you say what you want about
Speaker 2: federal workers. And when we do, we do need some
Speaker 2: federal workers. We have, for example, right in a listening
Speaker 2: area right in our backyard here our good friends in Dayton,
Speaker 2: which I considered just like you know, we're a big
Speaker 2: radio station. We get a lot of listeners in Dayton
Speaker 2: as well. You got right pat Air Force Base and
Speaker 2: all the businesses around there. All those people suffer because
Speaker 2: people aren't spending money, and that hurts the bottom line,
Speaker 2: That hurts the economy, It hurts working folks. The FAA
Speaker 2: is saying staffing shortages and ground delay programs at Newark,
Speaker 2: close Cousin to close Austin, and I see some of
Speaker 2: the big used to be like the little ones. We're like, oh, okay,
Speaker 2: so you know, maybe Louisville has a little bit of
Speaker 2: a problem for a bit. I know, Nashal, bigger city
Speaker 2: for but you know, it's not affecting the major airports.
Speaker 2: And now we're starting to see, okay, Newark, which is
Speaker 2: always jacked up. Newark's the worst headache in America. But Dallas,
Speaker 2: now we're starting to see this. And yeah, when you
Speaker 2: start not paying people because of the shutdown, people are saying, well,
Speaker 2: I'm not going to show up to work. Now, you know,
Speaker 2: if you're an official, you have to show up.
Speaker 6: You just have to do that.
Speaker 2: I don't understand that, Like, wait, wait a minute, a lot.
Speaker 2: I did the job where you don't pay me, and
Speaker 2: you don't pay me for a couple of weeks and
Speaker 2: then you still expect me to show up. What am
Speaker 2: I stupid? What was I born yesterday? I mean I
Speaker 2: might do that for a minute or two, but probably
Speaker 2: in large I think most people like, yeah, how many
Speaker 2: sick days I got? How many vacation days? Because this
Speaker 2: is stupid. I don't even know if I'm ever going
Speaker 2: to get paid. And this is important because we're heading
Speaker 2: into the fall travel season here, not quite the Thanksgiving yet.
Speaker 2: We got a few weeks that you just wonder how
Speaker 2: much longer it's going to go. It doesn't seem like
Speaker 2: they have the political impasis to get this thing done
Speaker 2: anytime soon. But you know, once you get into and
Speaker 2: the reason why these things last about thirty days, because
Speaker 2: then people start to really notice. It's not just the
Speaker 2: inconvenience of a park being shut down, or trash not
Speaker 2: getting pat or a lawn not getting cut. Now you
Speaker 2: start to see it, you know, the impact be a
Speaker 2: little bit deeper here, and when it comes to the
Speaker 2: snap benef it's a very simply a freestar food bank.
Speaker 2: I occurred Rber on the show on Monday and he
Speaker 2: had his appeal out there, We're gonna have to hand
Speaker 2: out more meals and we just we're gonna try. We're
Speaker 2: gonna squeeze our vengers a little bit more and try
Speaker 2: to get more money and more meals out there and
Speaker 2: more donations. Hopefully you consider it the nation of the
Speaker 2: free Star Food Bank, because they do great work in
Speaker 2: like twenty counties in our area. But that's not going
Speaker 2: to be enough to fill the void here. It is
Speaker 2: simply is not going to And you know it has
Speaker 2: to do with up politics and Dranaline I get it.
Speaker 2: You know the ACA is jacked up. Should we be
Speaker 2: using subsidy to pay for healthcare benefits? No, it just
Speaker 2: makes it more expensive. But then have an alternative, have
Speaker 2: a plan. And there's the problem. We shut down government
Speaker 2: and we don't have a plan for fixing why we're
Speaker 2: shutting government down in the first place. So it seems
Speaker 2: to me like you'd want to get back in there
Speaker 2: and actually work the problems instead of pointing the finger
Speaker 2: at the other guy saying it's his fault or her fault,
Speaker 2: and actually work for the American people, which is the
Speaker 2: problem I have with politics, and a lot of people do.
Speaker 2: It's exhausting and it's painful for a lot of folks,
Speaker 2: for sure. There's just no way around it. You can
Speaker 2: talk about who's getting snapped benefits and the legal aliens,
Speaker 2: and that's all well and good, but the bulk of
Speaker 2: people that are getting those benefits are senior citizens. A
Speaker 2: number of them are veterans, but a lot of them
Speaker 2: are working families where you're working two or more jobs
Speaker 2: and you need that assistance to get by. That's the
Speaker 2: reality of it. So I don't know how this fixes it.
Speaker 2: But you can say they shouldn't be getting it, or
Speaker 2: this person should be getting it. That's all well and good.
Speaker 2: That's the system that's set up, and if you don't
Speaker 2: like it, then change the damn system. Do you do
Speaker 2: that by not getting together in meeting? And the answer
Speaker 2: is new It is not five new arrests now made
Speaker 2: in connection with a louver heist. We've got enough going on.
Speaker 2: Had to pay attention without worrying about Paris. But I
Speaker 2: think it's just just a fascinating things. They continue to
Speaker 2: make more and more investigations and by the way, still
Speaker 2: no sign of what they stole. I don't know. I'm
Speaker 2: Italian enough to go. They melt that stuff down, they
Speaker 2: whacked up those rocks, and they're they're all around the
Speaker 2: world right now. I want to think that's the case,
Speaker 2: Like that's why they stole the jewels in the first place.
Speaker 2: Instead of artwork. You don't steal the Bona Lisa, you
Speaker 2: steal the crown jewels and it's ye know, once you
Speaker 2: start breaking those up, Yeah, you know they're worth what
Speaker 2: one hundred and two million dollars with the eight jeels
Speaker 2: as they stole, they ate I guess settings whatever you
Speaker 2: call them things different pieces that they stole, I guess yeah,
Speaker 2: they're gonna be but they're still gonna be worth millions
Speaker 2: of dollars because you're talking about rare gemstones. And now
Speaker 2: they have five people so and now the place are saying, uh,
Speaker 2: it may not be an inside job after all, which
Speaker 2: I think is interesting. It seemed like it would be
Speaker 2: an inside job. The cameras are turned the wrong way
Speaker 2: and a whole bunch of stuff. You know, you got
Speaker 2: ladders up against the wall. If somebody didn't know something
Speaker 2: on the inside there, we'll find out. But five more
Speaker 2: rests of this ring. It's certainly as fascinating, that's for sure.
Speaker 6: All right.
Speaker 2: We got weather it's going to rain at least for
Speaker 2: the next few hours here, and then we drive for
Speaker 2: the kiddos on Halloween tomorrow. And got the time change
Speaker 2: happening this weekend and so much more so, it's an
Speaker 2: election coming up on Tuesday. Liz Keating is looking for
Speaker 2: your vote. And she examined she having been on council.
Speaker 2: I guess she's a great person, asked this question. It's
Speaker 2: not about, you know, having her on to promote her
Speaker 2: agenda what she wants to do, which I think is refreshing.
Speaker 2: But this is more about why isn't council pushing back
Speaker 2: on the mayor and the city manager? Why maybe some
Speaker 2: answer for us? Next Scottsland show on the Home of
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Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 2: So yesterday the steady drip and it is literally a
Speaker 2: soap opera. Down at City Hall. A couple dozen families
Speaker 2: and friends of Chief Terry Thiji showed up to council
Speaker 2: wearing I stand with Police Chief Thigi t shirts and
Speaker 2: uh they pretty much read after a pure vaal sherlong
Speaker 2: and council the riot Act. So you had family members
Speaker 2: there and obviously they love and care about Terry Thiji
Speaker 2: and demand that she get a fair hearing and and
Speaker 2: the city. And the hard part about this is like
Speaker 2: very few people, I say, Seth Walsh, I had councilperson
Speaker 2: and Albion yesterday and she was demure about but you
Speaker 2: know she's still commented on it. But by and large
Speaker 2: it's been really really quiet down there. Family members slammed
Speaker 2: the investigation now, calling into her leadership in the question
Speaker 2: and after the fact that it's political and secretive, and
Speaker 2: they're right about that. But the soap opera continues down
Speaker 2: at City Hall, and one wonders what happens on Tuesday
Speaker 2: on election day. Liz Keating is a former council member.
Speaker 2: She's running yet again, and she has been hitting the
Speaker 2: streets pretty hard. I keep seeing all her campaign I
Speaker 2: think Liz keating by the way, Liz welcome. I see
Speaker 2: a lot of your ads, and you're spending a lot
Speaker 2: when it comes to getting the message out.
Speaker 7: We are working our tails off. We want to get
Speaker 7: back there and get things back in order in Cincinnati,
Speaker 7: so we are doing everything we can to get back.
Speaker 7: I love this city too much to see it the
Speaker 7: way it is right now.
Speaker 2: You're out campaigning here on the street. What are people saying.
Speaker 7: Everybody is talking about crime, literally every neighborhood does. No
Speaker 7: matter what neighborhood we are in, people are concerned about
Speaker 7: the crime. They are concerned about basic services and getting
Speaker 7: no response from city hall. And honestly, that's why we're
Speaker 7: running crime and the causes of crime, and get back
Speaker 7: to being able to actually plow snow when it snows,
Speaker 7: and pay the roads and fill the potholes, and get
Speaker 7: rid of the litter and take care of city property
Speaker 7: so it's not overgrown and full of graffiti, which are
Speaker 7: all things that again attract crimes. You know, just do
Speaker 7: the basics, the fundamentals of local government.
Speaker 2: I noticed that not too long ago a few weeks
Speaker 2: ago there was a summit where they had a contest
Speaker 2: to come up with unique ways to let people know
Speaker 2: that the potholes have been filled on. It's just another one.
Speaker 2: It's like, the pothole problem has been going on for
Speaker 2: a long time, and it's literally decades of neglect, right
Speaker 2: and we're taking money from the sale of the railroad
Speaker 2: and that's going to go in the streets and paying
Speaker 2: over potholes. But right up in like ninety days before
Speaker 2: the election, all of a sudden, they went gangbusters on
Speaker 2: fixing potholes. Do you think that's a coincidence.
Speaker 7: I don't think it's a coincidence. But if you look
Speaker 7: at a long term, even the money from the railroad,
Speaker 7: the city has not been able to deploy that money
Speaker 7: very quickly to pave the roads. If you have all
Speaker 7: this money coming in, you need to be prepared. You
Speaker 7: need to be able to get the RFPs out, you
Speaker 7: need to be able to get the contract signed, and
Speaker 7: you need to get the workers on the roads. I mean,
Speaker 7: these are tons of jobs which again one get paychecks
Speaker 7: going home to families to support more families, So that's
Speaker 7: tax revenue right back to the city. And these are
Speaker 7: fundamentals that they cannot get right right now, and there's
Speaker 7: no conversation from Council like where are these special meetings
Speaker 7: being held? Where are the questions? Where are you holding
Speaker 7: the administration accountable? Say, why aren't these dollars getting deployed
Speaker 7: and we've got to hold up and getting these contracts together?
Speaker 7: Then what changes do we need to make legislatively? You're
Speaker 7: just not seeing Council act on these fundamentals. They're just
Speaker 7: not doing their job, and I'm beyond frustrated by it.
Speaker 2: It is telling that so few people are speaking out
Speaker 2: and questioning the administration how they handle the cig thing.
Speaker 2: And it's not just that it's you know, there's no
Speaker 2: crime plan. Don't have a crime plan for sure. I
Speaker 2: think it's too little. It's not aggressive enough that you're
Speaker 2: looking at outliers and not the root cause of this thing.
Speaker 2: I mean, when you go after food trucks instead of
Speaker 2: the criminals, it can continue to ruin our city. That's telling.
Speaker 2: You're punishing good business owners and people that just simply
Speaker 2: want to taco at two o'clock in the morning. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you're gonna get a bad element that might show up
Speaker 2: and do that, But it's your job to separate the
Speaker 2: bad element from the good element. You know, if I
Speaker 2: go to a club, or I go to a bar,
Speaker 2: or I got a concert, whatever it is, and I
Speaker 2: get out and go damn, I'm hungry. Hey there's a
Speaker 2: food truck, it's midnight or whatever. I'm gonna get a
Speaker 2: cony dog, I'm gonna get a slice of pizza, a burger,
Speaker 2: whatever the hell it is, and go home, go to bed,
Speaker 2: fat and happy and entertain Now they're going to take
Speaker 2: that away from the good people all because it's a
Speaker 2: very small percentage of people causing all this nonsense. That's
Speaker 2: what I'm talking about. It it's the lack of a
Speaker 2: it's not leaning into the resources of the state because
Speaker 2: the optics that makes it look bad. If crime is
Speaker 2: a problem, you stamp it out. You send a message
Speaker 2: we're not going to tolerate this. But the more that
Speaker 2: the him and Hauw live keeping, the worst crime gets
Speaker 2: because all you're doing is enabling that percentage of criminals
Speaker 2: who are looking to take opportunities to the to the
Speaker 2: to the extreme, and we're seeing that constantly.
Speaker 7: Now you cannot go after small businesses because you've got
Speaker 7: a crime problem. You've got to tackle the root causes
Speaker 7: of it. You've got to be tough on the actual crime.
Speaker 7: You've got to support the police officers and the chief
Speaker 7: and give them room to actually activate. They are the experts,
Speaker 7: this is their profession. You've got to give them room.
Speaker 7: You can't politicize the police department. You can't shut down
Speaker 7: small businesses because you've got a problem. You got to
Speaker 7: figure out what the real problems are and take care
Speaker 7: of that. Go after the criminals. And again, if we're
Speaker 7: sending a signal thing we are not open for business
Speaker 7: for your small businesses, for these mom and pops, it's
Speaker 7: saying that we don't want paychecks going home to families,
Speaker 7: We don't want to support small families. It is just
Speaker 7: absolutely absurd. And you're not seeing counsel go after this
Speaker 7: in the right way. It took them meek to start
Speaker 7: asking questions when they started getting political pressure to do so.
Speaker 7: You need to enact right away. It is not that
Speaker 7: hard to ask these questions and committee and you don't
Speaker 7: have to burn the place down. You can hold administration
Speaker 7: accountable and have a productive debate and get things moving
Speaker 7: in the right direction. And you're not seeing that you're
Speaker 7: constantly seeing no comment, no comment, no comment, no comment.
Speaker 2: Why is that? Why are work quest councils so afraid
Speaker 2: to point the dirty end of the stick and afttab
Speaker 2: and sure along.
Speaker 7: I think it's because we've got an election right now,
Speaker 7: and that's part of the problem. I want elected officials
Speaker 7: who are willing to face the facts and then start
Speaker 7: tackling the problems. And right now, no one wants to
Speaker 7: talk about the fact. No one wants to talk about
Speaker 7: the problems because they're up for election. When you're in
Speaker 7: an incumbent and things aren't going well, it's a problem.
Speaker 7: But we need elected officials at city Hall who are
Speaker 7: willing to face those facts and get right down to
Speaker 7: business to fix them. You have to be relentless in
Speaker 7: solving problems all the time. You have to be willing
Speaker 7: to accept the fact that things aren't going to go
Speaker 7: right because it's never going to be perfect. We do
Speaker 7: not live in a world where we are where things
Speaker 7: are perfect. You have to have leaders who are willing
Speaker 7: to fight and continue to solve those problems.
Speaker 2: What are they afraid of?
Speaker 7: It's politics. It's politics. They don't want to look bad,
Speaker 7: they don't want to be challenging anybody they're afraid to
Speaker 7: pick their nose out on stuff, and.
Speaker 4: That get you elected.
Speaker 2: You if I mean, I've kind of been that guy
Speaker 2: in my whole life. If you stand up for what's
Speaker 2: right and you have values, to go, Listen, we're not
Speaker 2: going to tolerate this, this secrecy, this incompetence. We're not
Speaker 2: going to tolerate the indecision. We want answers. I thought, yes,
Speaker 2: counsel this week, they did a great job poking the
Speaker 2: bear when it came to the food truck thing, saying well,
Speaker 2: this is stupid. There's no evidence that this is encouraging crime,
Speaker 2: and they really push back on it. Why can't you
Speaker 2: do that when with Chief Thiji or crime or whatever
Speaker 2: it is. I just I don't know. It's politics. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but how does that cost you anything? By doing what
Speaker 2: people sent you to city.
Speaker 6: Hall to do?
Speaker 7: It doesn't cost you anything, no what you're supposed to do.
Speaker 7: But I mean, it took weeks to hear from them
Speaker 7: on food trucks. This food trucks were shut down. Administration
Speaker 7: made that what was it like a month ago, And
Speaker 7: it took this long and this many news stories and
Speaker 7: this much political pressure to actually get something out of it.
Speaker 7: I mean, it's insane. This is not how we need
Speaker 7: to be operating as a city. We need much better
Speaker 7: leadership down there, and we need people who are not
Speaker 7: afraid to ask the tough questions and hold an administration accountable.
Speaker 7: And that's what they did before, and that's what I
Speaker 7: want to go back and do again.
Speaker 2: Liz keating on that the accountability thing strikes me that I,
Speaker 2: as a citizen, someone to pays attention to this stuff,
Speaker 2: and I can't imagine how citizen feels. You've almost got
Speaker 2: You've got these enemies, You've got AFTAB, peer Vault, you've
Speaker 2: got share Along, the city manager, and you got counsul.
Speaker 2: No one knows who reports to, who who is responsible.
Speaker 2: There's all sorts of cover, there's excuse making, there's no
Speaker 2: accountability because AFTAB goes. Well the chief got fired. Now
Speaker 2: that was share Along and sure Along. Well, you know,
Speaker 2: I don't have a comment because it's a personnel issue.
Speaker 2: Well what about console don't they have it? Well, we
Speaker 2: don't because it's the mayor. Well, the mayor says, it's
Speaker 2: a city manager. The city manager says, it's council. Council
Speaker 2: says it's a city manager who then points the finger
Speaker 2: at city council and the mayor's who's run.
Speaker 4: Of the show.
Speaker 7: You know what, Council votes on city dollars, They vote
Speaker 7: on the spending, they appropriate the money. It takes two
Speaker 7: members of council to call a special session. They easily
Speaker 7: could have called a special session and say, hey, we
Speaker 7: are not going to pay for the switch hunt. We
Speaker 7: are not going to make taxpayers face spend fifty thousand
Speaker 7: dollars to hire an outside firm to investigate to try
Speaker 7: to find a reason to fire somebody after you've already
Speaker 7: asked them to resign, after you've tried to start this.
Speaker 7: Council can step in and do this because they have
Speaker 7: the power to do so, and they have done nothing.
Speaker 7: They have done absolutely nothing, and so many of them
Speaker 7: for the first week or two we're constantly saying no comment,
Speaker 7: no comment, no comment, and again like just exactly what
Speaker 7: you're saying, pointing fingers. This is council's responsibility. Council's job.
Speaker 7: They are in charge of spending, they vote on the spending.
Speaker 7: They can shut this down immediately, and they haven't.
Speaker 2: Former council member Liz Keating, who's runningyet again, one of
Speaker 2: the twenty six that seek your vote on Tuesday or
Speaker 2: perhaps earlier here too. And we definitely need some new
Speaker 2: blood in city council. There's no question somebody's going to
Speaker 2: hold folks accountable rather than just you know. I illustrated
Speaker 2: this before last weekend. Last two weekends ago, we had
Speaker 2: the No King's rally. It's all about Donald Trump, a
Speaker 2: bunch of people with different grievances. And granted, Trump brings
Speaker 2: out grievances and people, for sure, even Republicans totally understand
Speaker 2: that that's part of his nature. Maybe also part of
Speaker 2: his attraction. I'm not quite sure. But all these aggrieved
Speaker 2: people showing up with different causes and the one thing
Speaker 2: in common is Donald Trump. But no kings. He's a king.
Speaker 2: He's a king. I don't know, when you talk about cronyism,
Speaker 2: when you talk about no accountability, when you talk about
Speaker 2: ignoring problems and focusing other things, how many of those
Speaker 2: people are going to turn around and vote for the
Speaker 2: exact same thing they protested against two weeks ago in
Speaker 2: after pierreval I hope not.
Speaker 7: I hope people do not continue to vote all one ticket,
Speaker 7: all one party. You've got will they will candidate. You
Speaker 7: have to, you have to look at it. If people
Speaker 7: want to same thing that they've gotten, then go for it.
Speaker 7: But I think Cincinnati deserves so much better. They deserve
Speaker 7: so much better. And that's why I'm running because I
Speaker 7: am sick and tired of seeing what's going on down there,
Speaker 7: and I think Cincinnati deserves better. And I'm going to
Speaker 7: go back and fight and actually do the job that
Speaker 7: I was elected to do before. And I plan on
Speaker 7: being elected again and go back and do that again.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think you know, back to know there's
Speaker 2: there's no plan, and it is a plan, but it's feckless.
Speaker 2: The plan it doesn't have enough tooth. The plan doesn't
Speaker 2: have enough bite. You don't want to execute. You don't
Speaker 2: want to you're afraid you're gonna upset people like maybe
Speaker 2: Iris Rawley that I don't understand. But I think even
Speaker 2: bigger than that, and the real issue I have, and
Speaker 2: if I were to maybe articulate a little bit better
Speaker 2: when it comes to you know, sure along and after
Speaker 2: that Periodal and Council and everyone's pointing the finger at
Speaker 2: everybody else is the lack of communication from the administration.
Speaker 2: I mean, let's go back. We were talking about potholes,
Speaker 2: but what about snowfall?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 2: How many streets weren't plowed? And that took weeks later
Speaker 2: or finally they'd admitted we're not going to plow every
Speaker 2: street in Cincinnati. Hold up just a second. I pay
Speaker 2: property taxes. I'm paying my taxes. Those taxes fund snow removal.
Speaker 2: Now you're telling me I don't get an essential city
Speaker 2: service because you decided to do something else with the money.
Speaker 2: Makes no sense whatsoever. That's Malfeason's big mac Bridge fire.
Speaker 2: That thing happened. We had traffic gridlocked downtown for a
Speaker 2: couple of weeks before council and the mayor even acknowledged
Speaker 2: that we had that problem in the first place. I
Speaker 2: don't expect the city streets to be fine after you
Speaker 2: close one a major bridge, a major thoroughfare, But there
Speaker 2: was no communication on that. People were one Achille. I'm
Speaker 2: surprised we don't have a fatal road rage incident over that.
Speaker 2: Get some cops, get some people down, Get I don't
Speaker 2: get pull some ambassador of the Fountain Square had people
Speaker 2: direct traffic during rush How they didn't do that. The
Speaker 2: Patrick Herringer thing as another fumble Summer Slam where we've
Speaker 2: got a beatdown going viral across the world in downtown Cincinnati,
Speaker 2: and the mayor decides to go on vacation the day
Speaker 2: after this thing goes viral and then not be around
Speaker 2: and then just have the city manager and the chief
Speaker 2: talk about it. Then the chief thiji incident. It's a
Speaker 2: steady pattern of incompetence due to a lack of communication.
Speaker 2: That's the problem. Nobody knows what's going on down there,
Speaker 2: and when they respond to something, either they don't respond
Speaker 2: and simply ignore it because it doesn't make them look good,
Speaker 2: or they wait too damn long to have response to it.
Speaker 2: That's a fair criticism of AFTAB and sure.
Speaker 7: Along and city Council and city council. You are not
Speaker 7: hearing from council members. Their job is constituent affairs. They
Speaker 7: should be responding to the community when people are reaching out.
Speaker 7: You talked about this now storm. I had schools reach
Speaker 7: out because the streets haven't been plouned in schools can't
Speaker 7: open to get the kids back in school for days,
Speaker 7: and they heard nothing back from city Hall. We heard
Speaker 7: from residents. They came back and said there were over
Speaker 7: six hundred streets that hadn't even been touched. Six hundred streets,
Speaker 7: and the city has been said it hadn't even been touched,
Speaker 7: and no one knew, and no one at city Hall
Speaker 7: was calling these residents back when they're asking when they're
Speaker 7: finally going to get their streets cleared. There are so
Speaker 7: many incidents where residents are calling their council members, reaching
Speaker 7: out to their council members to get help, whether it's
Speaker 7: trash pick up, or there's litter everywhere, there's illegal jumping.
Speaker 7: They need their streets close that they can get back
Speaker 7: to work, and no one calls them back. And that's
Speaker 7: so for the last nearly two years, since I have
Speaker 7: been just a regular citizen, I am still fielding calls
Speaker 7: from resident because they are trying to get help because
Speaker 7: our elected officials and city council is they are not
Speaker 7: doing their job and solving the proms that they were
Speaker 7: elected to solve, and so it takes a resident. And
Speaker 7: that's why I'm getting back in this because you've got
Speaker 7: to go back. You have to be responsive to the community,
Speaker 7: you have to be able to take care of these
Speaker 7: basic services. And if we are not taking care of
Speaker 7: the basics, we are going to fail at the big things,
Speaker 7: which we have seen when it comes to crime and
Speaker 7: tackling crime and the way that we've handled these massive stories.
Speaker 7: Whereas a lot of people are freaked out and a
Speaker 7: lot of things are going on, things crumble. If you
Speaker 7: can't take care of the basics, if you can't fill
Speaker 7: that foundation, you're going to have a big problem later
Speaker 7: and we've seen that play out lost. You have to
Speaker 7: have council members or responses lis Keating.
Speaker 2: As you mentioned, you know, council essentially controls the purse strings.
Speaker 2: They legislate, they make work to make laws and all
Speaker 2: that stuff. Does there need to be some clarity and
Speaker 2: what the city manager does and what the mayor does
Speaker 2: because as a taxpayer, if I'm a taxpayer, I have
Speaker 2: no idea how that works. I think most people don't
Speaker 2: really follow the intricacies of it. But there's also a
Speaker 2: problem there if you have a strong mayor and you've
Speaker 2: got star council and you've got a city manager involved,
Speaker 2: it seems like everyone there's built in cover for incompetency
Speaker 2: and mistakes. Is that like, well, I can point the
Speaker 2: finger at the city manager or I can Hey, you
Speaker 2: know what I'm gonna pull the pin out of the
Speaker 2: grenade and fire the chief. Even though the chief is
Speaker 2: the one taking the orders from the mayor and the
Speaker 2: city manager city, she doesn't dictate what the policy, what
Speaker 2: the focus is. When she got hired, I bring this
Speaker 2: up because it's documented. She said, listen the big issue here,
Speaker 2: and I talked to people by the interview with Iris Rawley,
Speaker 2: for example, and keep the collaborative agreement going. Okay, that's good,
Speaker 2: but I think we've taken such kid gloves hands towards
Speaker 2: criminals and treat them like victims when we victimize the
Speaker 2: victims even more if that kind of makes sense. In fact,
Speaker 2: that Terry TJ now is just falling on the sword
Speaker 2: because of what we talked about. I think there's got
Speaker 2: to be I know it's a city charter issue. I
Speaker 2: know it's deeper than just this conversation, but damn it,
Speaker 2: you've got you've got too many people who are allegedly
Speaker 2: making decisions. Do we need a city manager for the
Speaker 2: mayor and what roles we made? Need to carve those
Speaker 2: roles out a little bit more simply to avoid things
Speaker 2: like this where we know what you're in charge of,
Speaker 2: what you're going to do. I'm sorry, the no common
Speaker 2: thing is wearing thin for a lot of people, myself included.
Speaker 7: I couldn't agree more. But this is where you have
Speaker 7: to have elected officials on SINCII city councils that know
Speaker 7: their role. Right now, we are seeing council members who
Speaker 7: are not asking in their role. They are they are
Speaker 7: just they're saying, no comment, It's okay, it's not our job.
Speaker 7: It's or is that problem? That problem? That problem city
Speaker 7: councils is. You've got to think of them as the board.
Speaker 7: They do control the first strings. They can shut down
Speaker 7: spending on things anytime, they can pass legislation. They can
Speaker 7: put in motions to guide administration in a different direction.
Speaker 7: If they're not happy with it, they can call special
Speaker 7: meetings and actually ask questions. Ask questions of administration at
Speaker 7: least lets the public better understand what's going on. Their
Speaker 7: job is to hold administration accountable. Their job is to
Speaker 7: make sure that the tax dollars are being spent in
Speaker 7: smart and efficient ways. They are in charge of making
Speaker 7: sure that government is running smoothly, and you're not seeing
Speaker 7: that at all. And that's why it's important to have
Speaker 7: experience down there and people who are willing to do
Speaker 7: the full job that they were elected to do.
Speaker 2: Yeah, totally understandable. And I know a number of member
Speaker 2: of councils. A number of people come on the show
Speaker 2: quite frequently on a regular basis, and I hate to
Speaker 2: see good people and I think they're good wind up
Speaker 2: losing their job over But there's got I would think Tuesday,
Speaker 2: there's going to be a political price to pay. It's
Speaker 2: not going to be may or Aft to have pure
Speaker 2: of all. He's gonna win reelection for sure, but there's
Speaker 2: council people are going to be out of a seat.
Speaker 2: I think because of this whole thing you feel that.
Speaker 7: I feel that this campaign has been a completely different
Speaker 7: vibe than I've ever seen and heard before. People are angry,
Speaker 7: and that's not the kind of city that I want
Speaker 7: to live in. I don't want to live in a
Speaker 7: city where people are frustrated, people aren't getting the services
Speaker 7: that we need. We can do so so much better,
Speaker 7: and that's why we're working our tails off to get
Speaker 7: back down there and get the city back in order.
Speaker 2: Well, if you don't demand accountability with your vote, you're
Speaker 2: going to get more of the same or worse. Because
Speaker 2: it's going to encourage more of the same misbehavior. That
Speaker 2: is what's going to happen. Look at the Terry Fiji thing.
Speaker 2: We're going to fire her and then hire for forty
Speaker 2: fifty thousand dollars a law firm to find out where
Speaker 2: we fired her in the first place.
Speaker 6: Exactly.
Speaker 7: I mean, do you want your tax bit, your tax
Speaker 7: dollars being spent that way?
Speaker 6: I don't.
Speaker 5: I don't.
Speaker 7: And where where is counsel asking this question? Where is
Speaker 7: council shutting this down?
Speaker 4: No, they're not.
Speaker 7: Where's council even talking about this in committee meetings? They're
Speaker 7: calling a special meeting. This is not take care of
Speaker 7: the taxpayer dollars. There are so many things that that
Speaker 7: money could go to that will be far more effective
Speaker 7: and positive impacts on our neighborhood then spending it on
Speaker 7: a witch hunt as an afterthought.
Speaker 2: Well, we'll find out what happens on Tuesday. I'm interested
Speaker 2: like anyone else. I got the popcorn to see what happens.
Speaker 2: I wish all the best. Liz, love talking to you,
Speaker 2: and I think your ideas are sound. Good luck on Tuesday, right,
Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you.
Speaker 7: Make sure you get out your vote Cincinnati, all right.
Speaker 2: Six thirty am Tuesday, polls open Liz Keating looking for
Speaker 2: your vote, among many others as well. I've been members
Speaker 2: of council on I kind of, you know, want to
Speaker 2: maybe off the record say these things, but are afraid,
Speaker 2: for whatever reason, to poke the bear that is aftat
Speaker 2: peerfall in administration on no way to carry so much juice. Look,
Speaker 2: everyone who makes mistakes, I understand that, but man, I
Speaker 2: just ran up a litany of problems just in the
Speaker 2: last several months, not even a year, and there's probably
Speaker 2: many more I'm missing as well. There's got to be
Speaker 2: someone sending a message saying this will not be tolerated.
Speaker 2: We'll find out Tuesday. Sloaney seven hundred w got going
Speaker 2: back on seven hundred w old. Everybody is talking about
Speaker 2: new and fun and exciting things and joining the show
Speaker 2: this morning on the Big One seven hundred wy're talking
Speaker 2: about fitness and health and food and all that stuff.
Speaker 2: And Sanjay Shavea Crimani's on the show emergency medicine physician,
Speaker 2: but also he's at Dine Weell Dock Health Fitness and
Speaker 2: medicine guy. I think then we got to come up
Speaker 2: with a like the brand here.
Speaker 8: The yeah, the problem is the brand keeps expanding more
Speaker 8: and more and I can't get focused.
Speaker 2: But that'll come in time, okay. So as an ear doc,
Speaker 2: before we get to the topic at hand, which is
Speaker 2: the flu, and people already going, no, I don't need
Speaker 2: to hear about it. You just hit the brakes for
Speaker 2: a second because you don't want the flu.
Speaker 4: The flu.
Speaker 2: Everyone's like, oh, I don't feel well, it's the it's
Speaker 2: now you know when you get the flu, it's a week.
Speaker 6: Right.
Speaker 2: We'll get to that just in the second. But first,
Speaker 2: as an e art doc, we have Halloween happening on
Speaker 2: tomorrow as a matter of fact, So a little trick
Speaker 2: or traders up. When you work a shift in the
Speaker 2: er in the emergency department, what do you wind up seeing?
Speaker 6: What do you see?
Speaker 8: Who presents with what? On Friday and Saturday? So it's
Speaker 8: it's a lot of things, as you can imagine. But
Speaker 8: I'll tell you my my funniest because this is.
Speaker 2: Going to avoid it's like, oh my kid, and what
Speaker 2: you typically see Go okay, I won't do that so
Speaker 2: I don't end up as a patient.
Speaker 8: Yeah, well, I mean I'll tell you so. And it's
Speaker 8: it's all razor blades and can't. And I'm just kidding.
Speaker 8: It's it's clearly an urban myth, right, But I've never
Speaker 8: seen anything like that. I've never seen like poisoning. It's
Speaker 8: it's stuff you wouldn't expect. So, like, the most number,
Speaker 8: according to a large study, was pumpkin carving accidents and
Speaker 8: you would never think about it, but you know that
Speaker 8: may not be on the night of trick or treating,
Speaker 8: but around it, and it tends to be the kids
Speaker 8: that are playing around with sharp objects and never a
Speaker 8: good combination. And so, uh, trick or treating is the
Speaker 8: second part, but it's actually pumpkin carvings the most interesting. Yeah,
Speaker 8: and I've seen a couple of hand injuries from that,
Speaker 8: but never on Halloween night itself, because people are already
Speaker 8: you know, done the damage. You see like fractures and
Speaker 8: dislocations because kids are running to get the next house.
Speaker 2: Trip with a sidewalk fall. Yeah, we definitely see the falls.
Speaker 8: And the problem is, you know, it's it's nighttime, and
Speaker 8: then they're wearing these costumes that might be a little
Speaker 8: bit long, but then they have masks or whatever covering
Speaker 8: their face. Their peripheral vision isn't good and so you
Speaker 8: do see the falls. It can get pretty nasty at times,
Speaker 8: but yeah, I haven't seen anything on Halloween. It ends
Speaker 8: up being kind of entertaining because everyone's coming in with
Speaker 8: their costumes on. Yeah, that's it's it's a bunch of stories.
Speaker 2: All right. Pumpkin carving, fall, trips, falls, occasionally, motor vehicle
Speaker 2: acts and probably as well adults. I'm guessing more alcohol related.
Speaker 8: You got it so unfortunately, and the alcohol gets behind
Speaker 8: the wheel sometimes and that combined with darkness and kids
Speaker 8: in costumes is a bad combination. So yeah, we do
Speaker 8: see some increase of pedestrians struck on on Halloween.
Speaker 2: Gotcha signed? And okay, alcohol related incidents, and I'm sure
Speaker 2: costume related. Any costume related self strangulation, anything like that.
Speaker 8: Decapitation Fortunately, no decapitation yet. No, we don't see any
Speaker 8: anything crazy like that. Things do happen weird things with costumes,
Speaker 8: but for the most part, no, Again, the costumes end
Speaker 8: up being kind of funny at times, especially when they
Speaker 8: show up in them.
Speaker 2: I got a guillotine costume I was walking around is
Speaker 2: actually you don't actually use a real guillotine for that.
Speaker 2: It's that's not.
Speaker 8: I'll tell you though, when it comes to costumes, remember
Speaker 8: if you're gonna get really tipsy and spending an entire
Speaker 8: night in the emergency department sobering up in your costume,
Speaker 8: remember that the Walk of Shame on November one is
Speaker 8: not a fun one to take in a costume.
Speaker 2: Especially if you got It's seriously, you got discharged like
Speaker 2: two weeks later. Oh yeah, it's like, yeah, now you
Speaker 2: have to wear a Halloween costume. Yeah, your whole chicken
Speaker 2: suit shame right, And I'm glad you brought up the
Speaker 2: myth because I've been on this for years, for decades.
Speaker 2: Sanjay is the whole and you were around long when
Speaker 2: they used to bring your candy to the hospital and
Speaker 2: we'll x ray it for you were like, no one
Speaker 2: is putting needles and razor blades and can't. It's just
Speaker 2: that it may be an industrial act and there may
Speaker 2: be a couple I know, one offs with really crazy
Speaker 2: people in the world. I can't say it doesn't happen.
Speaker 2: But the idea that you have to x ray your candy,
Speaker 2: it's all, you know what it is. It's big mom
Speaker 2: and dad? Is what is the industry? A big mom
Speaker 2: and dad? Because all it's kind of funny how like
Speaker 2: when my kids were little, all the Snickers had a
Speaker 2: razor blade though, Yeah, it's just a reason for me
Speaker 2: to steal their candy.
Speaker 8: Yeah exactly, Oh my god, yeah, this is this is
Speaker 8: how the parents enjoy Halloween too, is just by scaring
Speaker 8: their children, as if there's not enough scares going on
Speaker 8: in Halloween already.
Speaker 2: Can I have a sugar overdose? Is that possible? Can
Speaker 2: I overdose?
Speaker 8: Can you like like a classic overdose? Can you feel
Speaker 8: like crap after eating a bunch of sugar? Absolutely?
Speaker 2: Yes, we all get that.
Speaker 8: But uh no, Halloween is the time to eat a
Speaker 8: decent amount of candy and find out where your limits are.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's my problem is. I'm like, I'm like a
Speaker 2: wild dog. I'm like a rabit dog. I'm just gonna
Speaker 2: eat it all. Like we get the big Costco candy
Speaker 2: and I walk picture. I'm like, Michelle, quit buying all
Speaker 2: that Costco candy. Well, we don't how many kids. It's
Speaker 2: a new house. I'm like, listen, we'll buy one bag
Speaker 2: and when it's gone, the light goes off next it.
Speaker 8: Yeah, stop doing this to me. But then there's no
Speaker 8: leftover Halleen candy. And that's why we love Halloween as.
Speaker 2: Adults is freaking control is my problem? No, I just
Speaker 2: can't say.
Speaker 8: You're not alone.
Speaker 2: I'm right there with you, all right. So that's Halloween.
Speaker 2: Let's talk about cold and flu season. I uh, five
Speaker 2: days ago got my received my vaccine for it. Went
Speaker 2: to my local right eight or no, right eight. I
Speaker 2: went to right Age no more? Is it Walgreens or
Speaker 2: I don't save it. I think with CBS actually rolled
Speaker 2: it up. Got my shots all good. I do that
Speaker 2: every year, and I'm a proponent of the flu vaccine.
Speaker 2: A few folks in the hospital get it. I'm thinking
Speaker 2: that's a probably a pretty good thing to get.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I you know, it's interesting. In training, I it
Speaker 8: was a optional thing. So you know, this is twenty
Speaker 8: years ago. The flu shot was optional and I got
Speaker 8: the flu my fourth year of residency, and so I
Speaker 8: have never looked back.
Speaker 6: I've got it.
Speaker 8: I get it every year since then because I just
Speaker 8: felt like trash for a solid week. As a week,
Speaker 8: I was laid up pretty good, and so I get
Speaker 8: it myself every year. Yes, because it's mandatory now, but
Speaker 8: happily I've.
Speaker 2: Gotten it for years, and I think last year I
Speaker 2: actually still wound up contracting flu and I was sick.
Speaker 2: I was like three days. I felt really bad past
Speaker 2: the point and we'll get into you know what that
Speaker 2: diagnosis is. But I think I got Simpsons that wasn't
Speaker 2: and I felt like, like crap. I think for four five,
Speaker 2: six in and i'd like last for like the effects
Speaker 2: last for two weeks after almost a month after, and
Speaker 2: I thought, wow, if I got that with the vaccine,
Speaker 2: what would have happened to me if I hadn't had
Speaker 2: the vaccine.
Speaker 8: Yeah, so the you know, people say, well I still
Speaker 8: got the flu despite getting the flu shot, And it's true,
Speaker 8: it reduces cases of flu by only fifty percent, so
Speaker 8: one out of every two times you're still going to
Speaker 8: get the flu. But it's obviously much more effective in
Speaker 8: preventing it. But then when you get it, it decreases
Speaker 8: the duration for like two to three days, and so
Speaker 8: your symptoms aren't as bad, they don't last as long. Yes,
Speaker 8: you might still get the flu, but it's better than
Speaker 8: not having it, you know, having.
Speaker 2: A shot in time. I think we look at it
Speaker 2: raw incorrectly. You hear people is like, well I got
Speaker 2: the flu shot and I still got the flu, So
Speaker 2: it doesn't it doesn't work. Well, it does work, it's
Speaker 2: just not one hundred percent accurate. It's not going you know,
Speaker 2: boiling water for ten minutes will kill the bacteria. That's science, right,
Speaker 2: You're going to do that. It's it's still a crab.
Speaker 2: It's still a fifty to fifty shot. But if you
Speaker 2: get it, if you get the inject, the symptoms reverdy less.
Speaker 2: And my point is like, well, got I still got
Speaker 2: the flow. I'm not going to get a shot this year. No,
Speaker 2: I'm definitely going to my shot because as sick as
Speaker 2: I was last year, I could I probably go into
Speaker 2: the hospital. It could have been worse. It could have
Speaker 2: been a lot worse.
Speaker 8: And especially if you you know, very young, very old,
Speaker 8: those are the people that definitely need it because you know,
Speaker 8: the hospitalizations come mainly from the patients that are not vaccinated,
Speaker 8: and so the sickest of the sick are unvaccinated against
Speaker 8: the flu. So if you do fall into those categories
Speaker 8: or your immune system just isn't good at baseline, yeah,
Speaker 8: definitely think about it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I look thinking pretty healthy. I'm like that
Speaker 2: that really hit me. But then you hear like I
Speaker 2: was sick, I was sick yesterday and back to that
Speaker 2: because I had the flu. It's like, that's not the flu, right,
Speaker 2: it's gastroenteritis. It's it could be a bunch of stomach
Speaker 2: flu is, gasternoritis.
Speaker 3: It's not that.
Speaker 2: It's when you just dire's in a cold, irregular sickness
Speaker 2: and the flu is what.
Speaker 8: So mainly it's how you present. It's the severity. So
Speaker 8: you're going to have higher fevers with the flu. Typically,
Speaker 8: you're going to have body aches, You're going to feel
Speaker 8: like a truck hit you. Yeah, this whole quote stomach
Speaker 8: flu thing is usually a different virus that just affects
Speaker 8: your your gi tracks. But it's going to be the aches.
Speaker 8: It's going to be the high fevers. You're going to
Speaker 8: have a headache usually and just overall feel like not
Speaker 8: doing anything. Yeah, kids, especially vomiting diarrhe are right, they
Speaker 8: can have everything. Yeah, Kids, kids will present however they want,
Speaker 8: dying of it and and forty eight hours are good exactly.
Speaker 8: They bounce back and they're like mom, Dad, play with me.
Speaker 8: And you're like, not for another two weeks, thank.
Speaker 2: You very much. Yeah, why does it seem like that
Speaker 2: lingers when you're sick and I don't know if it's
Speaker 2: the effects of that last for it feels like a
Speaker 2: month where you're still diffnically breathing your hacking stuff up.
Speaker 2: In the older we get it's worse.
Speaker 8: Yeah, So the it's the post residual kind of cough.
Speaker 8: So after you get sick, the virus that's wreaking its
Speaker 8: havoc for like a week or so. Then it goes away,
Speaker 8: but you've got all this crud left in your air
Speaker 8: wings and your you know, in your windpipe, in your
Speaker 8: in your lungs, and that stuff still has to come up.
Speaker 8: So actually it's like three to eight weeks after a cold,
Speaker 8: you can still expect to have some sort of cough.
Speaker 8: And yes, it gets a little bit worse when we
Speaker 8: get older because we're not as good as coughing when
Speaker 8: we get older and clear that stuff. So all that
Speaker 8: inflammation is left, we keep coughing, and you know it
Speaker 8: bothers everyone around you because it's three to eight weeks later,
Speaker 8: but you're no longer contagious. It's just you're you're hacking
Speaker 8: up along still fine, is.
Speaker 2: There anything you can do to speed the process up?
Speaker 8: So yes, early on there's a lot of stuff sold
Speaker 8: out there right, like, right, do you take anything song?
Speaker 2: I'm a big believer in vitamin supplements, that kind of
Speaker 2: thing ahead of time. I tried the zinc before when
Speaker 2: I feel it coming on and I want to find
Speaker 2: note this plus ebo or not, but it feels like
Speaker 2: that might help.
Speaker 8: Yeah, so you nailed it. So zinc is literally the
Speaker 8: only thing that's even shown to have maybe some effects.
Speaker 8: Zinc seventy five milligrams to one hundred milligrams a day,
Speaker 8: you know, broken up is the only thing that's shown
Speaker 8: to decrease the risk of getting a bad virus or
Speaker 8: at least decreasing the symptoms you have. That has to
Speaker 8: be in lozenge form, though. The nasal spray is actually
Speaker 8: no good, so avoid that because actually you can cause harm.
Speaker 8: It can you know, a affect the way you smell permanently.
Speaker 8: Oh yeah, So the zinc lozenges is what you're looking for.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 8: Those can be pretty rough on the stomach though, because
Speaker 8: it's a heavy metal you're literally eating a metal gutters exactly. Yeah,
Speaker 8: what we do every hour, we gun a gun. But
Speaker 8: the zinc can be tough on the stomach, but it
Speaker 8: is has been shown to have some effects. The rest
Speaker 8: of the supplements not so much.
Speaker 2: Why does the zinc work? What's it do?
Speaker 1: Uh?
Speaker 8: You know, that's a great question. So I think they're
Speaker 8: still trying to figure it out. But you know, so
Speaker 8: what I heard, by the way, it's son Jay Shiva Cramani.
Speaker 8: He's an emergency room physician.
Speaker 2: Balls are a health guy in Scotsland show seven hundred
Speaker 2: double Alway's gonna pop it on Thursdays and it could
Speaker 2: be you know, working out. We'll get to that a
Speaker 2: little bit, and you know, neutrons and dieting and GLP
Speaker 2: injections and stuff like that. But today we're talking about well,
Speaker 2: Halloween crazy stuff. You've seen in the hour Halloween carving
Speaker 2: pumpkins number one and number two is kids running with
Speaker 2: their mask on and tripping and falling and break in
Speaker 2: our number three is people emulating themselves because they decided
Speaker 2: they were going to, I don't know, go as human torch.
Speaker 2: But that's that's kind of Darwin there. That's a different thing.
Speaker 2: I'm talking about the flu vaccine and so the zinc
Speaker 2: because I understood it, there's something that it coats the
Speaker 2: throat and so typically if you ingest. If I don't
Speaker 2: know why, it's being swallowing because I think your stomach
Speaker 2: acid would kill this. But when you ingest, the virus
Speaker 2: basically sloths off down your throat and the zinc allows
Speaker 2: that to occur, or maybe it kills that something like that, right,
Speaker 2: it's something like that.
Speaker 8: It also boosts the immune system in general when our
Speaker 8: immune systems are worse in the winter. That's been shown too.
Speaker 8: So you know what help we can get. So those
Speaker 8: people that are like, well, I say vitamin C and
Speaker 8: it works for me. You know, if it if it helps, you,
Speaker 8: go for it. As long as you're not harming yourself.
Speaker 8: I'm cool with that too. But yeah, the zinc does
Speaker 8: seem to have some effect, a little bit of an effect. Okay, good,
Speaker 8: that's good to know. But by and large, it's like
Speaker 8: you've got it. Hydrate, that's all in rest. That's all
Speaker 8: you can do.
Speaker 2: Hydrate.
Speaker 6: Rest.
Speaker 8: And yeah. The other thing is, you know, the annoying
Speaker 8: cough is another thing. There is no magic bullet for cough.
Speaker 8: People always come in like four weeks later. If actually
Speaker 8: this last week, I've seen a ton of patients with
Speaker 8: this lingering cough. So I don't know what's going on
Speaker 8: out there. It's not flu it's not COVID right now,
Speaker 8: it's not RSV. But there's so many crud, Cincinnati crud's
Speaker 8: going around and it's leaving people with this like prolonged cough,
Speaker 8: and unfortunately there's nothing I can prescribe that will make
Speaker 8: it go away. Honey has been shown as long as
Speaker 8: you're older than one year old, honey can help the cough.
Speaker 8: Hydration also helps because it decreases that dryness which actually
Speaker 8: triggers a cough.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and especially this time you're a hydrate is very
Speaker 2: important because you're inside the dry air. It's gonna hast
Speaker 2: that that whole disease courts to whether it's that or
Speaker 2: something else. Yeah, that's interesting that there's nothing really can do.
Speaker 2: I mean, the cough lingers. There's some over the counters.
Speaker 2: Sometimes you can get a script for it, but it's
Speaker 2: basically over the counter stuff. We all want to get
Speaker 2: that done. It's like I think, so after four weeks
Speaker 2: you're like my guy, three weeks you're thinking, Okay, there's
Speaker 2: something bad going on here, right, that's when you should
Speaker 2: well for four weeks.
Speaker 8: Yes, though, if it's not getting worse, you know it's
Speaker 8: not to worry about. Or if you're not having trouble
Speaker 8: breathing or chest pains or anything like that. If you
Speaker 8: are having something like that, worry if it's more than
Speaker 8: like eight weeks, which I know sounds like forever. And
Speaker 8: it is forever to have a cough right because your
Speaker 8: sleep is bad, everything's bad. Everyone's annoyed at you because
Speaker 8: all you're doing is coughing. You want to get it
Speaker 8: taken care of, but usually it's like eight weeks later.
Speaker 8: But you know, there are medicines that might be able
Speaker 8: to help at that point, but there's no magic bullet on.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like some of the dm as san it's gonna
Speaker 2: take care of it. It's interesting because like my mom,
Speaker 2: for example, growing up, it was like, wow, he's got
Speaker 2: a fluke taking the doctor ahead and get himself, Get
Speaker 2: him on something, get him on the head. Anti viral,
Speaker 2: you don't want to. There's there's really now there's a virus.
Speaker 2: There's a virus in bacteria.
Speaker 8: Exactly, so you know pneumonia, that's gonna be a bacteria
Speaker 8: that causes it. Stuff like the flu flu is a virus.
Speaker 8: But almost every single Cincinnati crud thing out there is
Speaker 8: a virus. And unfortunately, antibiotics don't do anything. And some
Speaker 8: people say, well, this zpac works for me every time.
Speaker 8: This antiotic works for me every time, and it's you know,
Speaker 8: there may be a little something to it as far
Speaker 8: as anti and inflammation, but it's not treating the infection.
Speaker 8: And you know, it's usually a fact that people have
Speaker 8: just been sick long enough that they're getting better and
Speaker 8: it just happens to coincide with the time that they
Speaker 8: start on an antibiotic.
Speaker 2: Right, I gotcha, Sanjay on that you know you demand
Speaker 2: your doctor right that that led us to this whole
Speaker 2: superbug thing. Right, It's like, we wrote ow me two
Speaker 2: scripts for a bacteria kill a bacteri when s virus
Speaker 2: and we knew that, but we did it to shut
Speaker 2: the patient up. Yeah, And then that dividend with that was, well,
Speaker 2: we've not got these superbugs out there that are immune
Speaker 2: to the overwriting of those prescriptions exactly.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 8: The best story I have of that, or the most
Speaker 8: unfortunate story is my uncle in India would be like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 8: I take this this medicine for diarrhea every time. And
Speaker 8: I'm like, yeah, we're having talks about diarrhea for unclear reasons,
Speaker 8: and so you know, I'm like, what is it? Is
Speaker 8: it emodium? And he breaks out this pill and it
Speaker 8: is leve aphloxysm, which is a super powerful, you know,
Speaker 8: antibiotic that we really hold back for a lot of things.
Speaker 8: But in India that stuff's flowing over the counter really
Speaker 8: and so we see all these nasty super bugs coming
Speaker 8: from other countries where there is no you know, no
Speaker 8: barrier where you don't have to see a doctor for this. So, yes,
Speaker 8: we do want to be stewards of antibiotics as physicians.
Speaker 6: We do.
Speaker 8: You know, this all came out of Yeah, placate the patient,
Speaker 8: but it's done more harm than good with causing you know,
Speaker 8: these these resistant infections.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's that's good to rip dividends for a
Speaker 2: long time, and not in a good way. He is
Speaker 2: a Sonjay Schavrokomani. He's an emergency room a physician here
Speaker 2: in Cincinnati, and he's coming on the show like every
Speaker 2: Thursday morning, pop in and talk about health and food
Speaker 2: and in this case the flu. So get the vaccine.
Speaker 2: I know that we've politicized vaccines now and you know,
Speaker 2: believe what you want about the COVID vacs. I mean,
Speaker 2: I don't get it every year. I'm like, every couple
Speaker 2: of years, my doctor says, you know, you're you're pretty healthy,
Speaker 2: you don't need it. But I'm pretty religious about that
Speaker 2: flu vax and I think, you know, you got to
Speaker 2: look at measles and all those series and okay, there's
Speaker 2: the politics of it, but don't let that pollute the
Speaker 2: stuff that's kept well, really kept us alive all these years.
Speaker 6: Too.
Speaker 2: The same people, a lot of the people who are
Speaker 2: against the vaccines are the same ones who benefited from
Speaker 2: for the last X number of years.
Speaker 8: Absolutely, so you know, everyone has to make their own
Speaker 8: individual decisions. We have to respect that too and really
Speaker 8: understand the drivers of that. If you do have any
Speaker 8: questions though, you know, talk to your doctor about it,
Speaker 8: and you know, we just want the best thing for
Speaker 8: you and your family and loved ones.
Speaker 2: All right, sign jail the best. Thanks again. You can
Speaker 2: get a reach in His handle is at dine Well
Speaker 2: Dock at dine Well Dock and we'll talk next Thursday.
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Speaker 2: WLW more bad news for your pocketbook. Here, if you're
Speaker 2: in Ohio, you and your family could be paying more
Speaker 2: for electricity. Why, well, the federal government is trying to
Speaker 2: extend the life of aging coal plants that were once
Speaker 2: slated for call closure. And those things are notoriously expensive
Speaker 2: to keep going. And we're seeing this trend across the
Speaker 2: country as well. And those expenses too would then be
Speaker 2: passed on a consumer, So says the Citizen's Utility Board
Speaker 2: of Ohio. Tom Bullock is here, he's our executive director. Tom. Welcome,
Speaker 2: How are you.
Speaker 6: Good morning?
Speaker 4: Good good?
Speaker 2: Why would keeping a coal plant open cost us more money?
Speaker 2: Does it cost more money to open new plants?
Speaker 6: Most of these plants in question are very old, seventy
Speaker 6: years old, sixty years old. They were designed for a
Speaker 6: different era. The parts don't exist, The facilities aren't designed
Speaker 6: to power up or power down swiftly or respond to
Speaker 6: economic conditions. So it's a little bit like if your
Speaker 6: uncle gave you a nineteen seventy two Chevy and it
Speaker 6: still runs a leaded gasoline and you're supposed to drive
Speaker 6: that around. In theory, it's cheaper, but really to operate it,
Speaker 6: how do you get their parts to repair it? When
Speaker 6: nobody makes them. It's difficult.
Speaker 2: Okay, So the question be why why are we forcing
Speaker 2: to keep these plants open?
Speaker 6: Then, well, you'd have to ask the White House. The
Speaker 6: White House believes that it wants to support one fuel source. Now,
Speaker 6: power is generated by a mix of sources. Coal, nuclear,
Speaker 6: natural gas is a big, big play, and increasingly wind
Speaker 6: and solar. Those are low costs. And then battery storage
Speaker 6: plays a role as well. Those are essentially large versions
Speaker 6: of the lithium ion batteries you carry around in your
Speaker 6: smartphone in your pocket all day long. Those play a
Speaker 6: role because it evens out the grid and you can
Speaker 6: use cheap solar or wind when there's extra power and
Speaker 6: you don't need it, store it in the battery, and
Speaker 6: then release it when you do need it.
Speaker 2: Gotcha. But what's driving this though, is demand. Right as
Speaker 2: I understand it, we're putting all these AI facilities online. Ohio,
Speaker 2: for example, Columbus Butler County is getting a like a
Speaker 2: million square foot facility as well, and so they're extending
Speaker 2: the life of coal plants because we need to meet demand.
Speaker 2: The problem is the forecast. And I'm sure you know
Speaker 2: by what twenty thirty nine is allegedly going to go
Speaker 2: up some forty percent. That's just demand. We don't have
Speaker 2: the infrastructure and the transmission to be able to get
Speaker 2: that power to howls and businesses and residents obviously in
Speaker 2: addition to all of the technologies going online. So it
Speaker 2: feels to me like an all hands on deck approach.
Speaker 2: Is that wrong?
Speaker 6: Half right, half wrong? There for sure is data centers
Speaker 6: that are driving low growth. Part of that is artificial intelligence,
Speaker 6: part of it's not. There's also new factories coming to Ohio,
Speaker 6: like we hope the Intel plants. As people also electrify
Speaker 6: their homes with electric cars or switch their furnace to
Speaker 6: a heat pump, there's going to be more growth overall.
Speaker 6: But we do have power today. What's causing the price
Speaker 6: bike is the speculation, as you said, about the next
Speaker 6: five years or so for data center growth, and there's
Speaker 6: a bit of an arms race by those companies to
Speaker 6: build out. And if you don't have power, data center
Speaker 6: is a warehouse full of expensive junk. So it's a
Speaker 6: real issue. But it's not coal that is needed. It's
Speaker 6: power that the market decides is the best choice, and
Speaker 6: that gets to the heart of it. Government isn't supposed
Speaker 6: to be picking winners and losers. And if the White
Speaker 6: House picks losing facilities that are closed because they're the
Speaker 6: most expensive and forces people to use those market losers
Speaker 6: to drive power, it's going to make losers out of
Speaker 6: all how consumers, because what you're doing is you're spiking
Speaker 6: the market. The market is designed to have an auction
Speaker 6: and the lowest cost supplier wins. But if somebody comes
Speaker 6: in and says, hey, market, I'm going to force you
Speaker 6: to not just take expensive power, but the most expensive
Speaker 6: power from the oldest and leaf nimble and least adaptive facilities,
Speaker 6: it's keews everything. So the issue isn't the fuel source.
Speaker 6: The issue is let the market function like it's supposed
Speaker 6: to without tampering.
Speaker 2: What does the market want.
Speaker 6: When the market wants more power and affordable power, which
Speaker 6: is going to be a little bit of an up
Speaker 6: and down as you bring new resources on. But if
Speaker 6: you let the market function, a temporary high price in
Speaker 6: the short term will level out and decrease over time.
Speaker 6: The challenge, though, is that our regional grid, it's called
Speaker 6: pjm Ohio's part of thirteen states in a grid that
Speaker 6: includes the mid Atlantic, Virginia, Maryland, Pennsylvania, et cetera. It's
Speaker 6: not easy to get new power added to the grid,
Speaker 6: and that is worsening prices in their terms. So PJM,
Speaker 6: not the federal government, also has work to do to
Speaker 6: make the hot prices, which are setting the signal to suppliers. Hey,
Speaker 6: power producers, come online, we need you. The market's sending
Speaker 6: that signal. But the problem is PGM has restrictions about
Speaker 6: adding power or interconnecting with the grid that are too
Speaker 6: slow and difficult. So the prices are going to be
Speaker 6: high for a while with no market solutions. So PJM
Speaker 6: has work to do to lower our prices.
Speaker 2: Is this just a case of bureaucracy? And this is
Speaker 2: what is It's a choke point in that we have
Speaker 2: an increasing demand for power, and so you address that
Speaker 2: by keeping the old technology online when of course, keeping
Speaker 2: old stuff going, as you pointed out, as always more
Speaker 2: expensive the future. To me, you should be everything should
Speaker 2: be on the table. We if wind or solar, whatever works, hydrogen, nuclear,
Speaker 2: whatever it is, whatever we can get to market more quickly,
Speaker 2: that's what we should be favoring at this point. Why
Speaker 2: isn't that happening, especially with an administration it seems so
Speaker 2: friendly about getting rid of all the gridlock and bureaucracy
Speaker 2: and doze and all that stuff that fits right in.
Speaker 2: Why isn't that happening?
Speaker 6: Well, because I think what's happening is a lobbyist and
Speaker 6: the political favors are getting involved instead of instead of
Speaker 6: letting the market. So capitalism as a creative destructive cycle.
Speaker 6: What happens is the least expensive old technology goes away
Speaker 6: and is replaced by a new, better mousetrapper, in this case,
Speaker 6: a new, cheaper generation facility. But if the people who
Speaker 6: are friends with the old facility say, hey, wait a minute,
Speaker 6: we don't like the market. If you do me a
Speaker 6: political favor, well, then it makes everything more expensive for
Speaker 6: everybody else. There are more than one thousand power production
Speaker 6: generation facilities in our regional thirteen state grid. If you
Speaker 6: say the top fifty or one hundred most expensive power
Speaker 6: plants are forced to be kept open and sold even
Speaker 6: when the companies that own them want to close them,
Speaker 6: you're going to skew that market. So there's enough out
Speaker 6: pardon me, there's enough out there that we don't need
Speaker 6: to tamper with. We need to do what the state
Speaker 6: of Ohio did earlier this year. Bit of Ohio deserves
Speaker 6: some credit. Is leaned into market competition, technology neutral. It
Speaker 6: doesn't try to pick winners and losers about which fuel source.
Speaker 6: It says, we're not going to have regulated generation. We
Speaker 6: do want to expand power production so that we have
Speaker 6: affordable the keyword of s affordable energy to power our economy.
Speaker 6: And we're going to let the investors in the free
Speaker 6: market competition do its job, which means when an investor
Speaker 6: takes a risk on a plant, if they messed up
Speaker 6: the losses on them, the loss doesn't get forced to
Speaker 6: be paid for by consumers, which is what regulated monopolies do.
Speaker 6: So basically, the federal government is trying to turn back
Speaker 6: the clock to a regulated monopoly style of power supply
Speaker 6: decision making. We don't need that today. We've got all
Speaker 6: kinds of technology that can be a better solution. I
Speaker 6: like to say engineers are smart. People are smart. If
Speaker 6: you can just get the legal and the financial out
Speaker 6: of the way of the inventors and the engineers, we
Speaker 6: could do all kinds of cool new solutions. But it's
Speaker 6: hard to get past legal and.
Speaker 2: There's a matter of factors. It's Tom Bullock, Executive Director
Speaker 2: of Citizens Utility Board of Ohio. Because of the high
Speaker 2: demand that we're facing when it comes to our electrical
Speaker 2: grid and power and the choke point, which of course
Speaker 2: is demand and we don't have transmission and supply that's
Speaker 2: going to drive closs up in. We're adding more and
Speaker 2: more infrastructure in the forums. Well, you know, people buying
Speaker 2: electric cars plugging in. But the big one is data
Speaker 2: centers in AI and we're putting plants all over, including
Speaker 2: Butler County, that just need a tremendous amount of energy
Speaker 2: and resources for that. Water is another great example of
Speaker 2: that thing too. Now maybe not in our scope here,
Speaker 2: but some data centers consume up to five million gallons
Speaker 2: of water a day. That's about enough for a town
Speaker 2: of about fifty thousand people, which is an incredible amount
Speaker 2: of resources dedicated to keeping power that little thing in
Speaker 2: our hands. Right with AI and infrastrate and information the
Speaker 2: data center right a tremendous amount of polage.
Speaker 6: We should also be careful. Some of this is data
Speaker 6: center speculation. It's a bubble that converse and some of
Speaker 6: the data center companies are planning to build one or
Speaker 6: two data centers, but they're filing redundant applications in the
Speaker 6: Great Plain States, in our region, in the Northeast, in
Speaker 6: the Southeast, and they're racing to figure out who gets
Speaker 6: gives them their permit first. So they're not building ten,
Speaker 6: they're only building two. And all of us are scrambling
Speaker 6: and saying, oh my gosh, we have to add all
Speaker 6: this power. So there's an important double checking process that
Speaker 6: we need to do to make sure we're not overbuilding.
Speaker 6: But one consumer who is in Ohio and talked to
Speaker 6: the Cleveland Plain dealers, let me get this straight. Data
Speaker 6: centers are increasing my bill today and I didn't do
Speaker 6: anything to invite them here, and yet their costs are
Speaker 6: already affecting me. This is one more example of where
Speaker 6: business costs get dumped onto Bob and Betty Buckeye and
Speaker 6: they privatize the games.
Speaker 2: What's real, quick, Tom, what's happening with for example, I
Speaker 2: mentioned you know they're getting pulling permits and getting ready
Speaker 2: to build what's going on the Columbus Intel plant, because
Speaker 2: that's still not where they promised to be this point,
Speaker 2: we're pushing operations back another five or six years.
Speaker 6: Are I I think that's right. I know that the
Speaker 6: governor and even the White House has been working to
Speaker 6: continue getting Intel to move forward on the project. There's
Speaker 6: such enormous amounts of money involved that you're going to
Speaker 6: have to have some federal supports for what's called the
Speaker 6: Chips Act. But that was a change between the previous
Speaker 6: administration the current one. So I tend to think that
Speaker 6: it's important for Ohio to pursue and implement these kinds
Speaker 6: of facilities. But you also for you know, we speak
Speaker 6: for small residential consumers. So the point you've been making
Speaker 6: in this conversation a longer than good ones, which is,
Speaker 6: as you build these very large factories for very large
Speaker 6: enner consumers, kind to make sure the way that the
Speaker 6: grid infrastructure is paid for doesn't get dumped onto the daghbles.
Speaker 6: It's like you'll dump your leaves over your back fence
Speaker 6: into your neighbor's yard. But that financially happens all the
Speaker 6: time in the world of utilities, and it shouldn't happen.
Speaker 6: That's why groups like cars try to speak up to
Speaker 6: the little guy.
Speaker 2: How hard is it too, Tom, Because it's always there
Speaker 2: is the effort to get cleaner power, and we need
Speaker 2: more and more of it is it odds with infrastructure
Speaker 2: building infrastructure because there's right of ways. I mean, look
Speaker 2: what happened with the Keystone XL pipeline getting shut down.
Speaker 2: It's a lot more efficient, easier, and safer than taking
Speaker 2: all of that fuel that we need and putting out
Speaker 2: on rail cars where they can. You know, look what
Speaker 2: happened in Ohio, not just a few handful of years ago,
Speaker 2: and that's transporting stuff over rail, which is a lot
Speaker 2: more dangerous and inefficient in the system. What about the
Speaker 2: environmental push back from all this, Is that slowing things
Speaker 2: up at that that's cost those money?
Speaker 6: I don't think so. I think there are land used
Speaker 6: questions anytime into power infrastructure, and that's also true if
Speaker 6: you build a subdivision or a shopping wall. Government has
Speaker 6: to be thoughtful about how it balances the most competing
Speaker 6: interest between the new development and the neighbors. Clean energy
Speaker 6: like wind and solar is increasingly the cheapest on the market.
Speaker 6: If you marry it up with battery storage, then it
Speaker 6: can provide you more of around the clock twenty four
Speaker 6: to seven solution, especially if you think of it not
Speaker 6: at one store or one house, but on an average
Speaker 6: across a statewide region. So if you think of Ohio, Illinois,
Speaker 6: Indiana together, the wind is always blowing somewhere and the
Speaker 6: sun is always shining somewhere. So in the aggregate, you
Speaker 6: could add a lot of inexpensive power to add to
Speaker 6: the mix of more expensive power sources than are traditional
Speaker 6: baseload like nuclear or natural gas. But what you have
Speaker 6: to do is let one hundred companies or a thousand
Speaker 6: companies make their everyday economic decisions and investment decisions, and
Speaker 6: collectively that market will be more intelligent and less expensive
Speaker 6: than a governor or a president trying to put his
Speaker 6: or her thumb on the scale. You know. I mean,
Speaker 6: it's amazing to me that we have to even explain
Speaker 6: this in a country that's supposed to be a free
Speaker 6: market capitalist.
Speaker 2: The people who complain about socialism practice socialism themselves. The
Speaker 2: people who like socialism want more socialism.
Speaker 6: Well, there's some truth to what you just said, and
Speaker 6: there's a hypocrisy in all directions. And all of us
Speaker 6: live in glasshouses, so I should be careful about the
Speaker 6: stones I throw. But I guess because the prices are
Speaker 6: going up. There's a survey that said from last week
Speaker 6: National Survey, thirty four percent of American's sake, electricity prices
Speaker 6: are a major concern. That's high. Forty percent think it's
Speaker 6: a minor concern. This is on our radar and it's
Speaker 6: not going to go away. And yes, data centers are
Speaker 6: kind of the first stage of forcing prices up, but
Speaker 6: there's all these other pressures. For the next twenty years,
Speaker 6: I think it's going to be increasingly concerned, So we're
Speaker 6: going to be spending more time thinking about it. You
Speaker 6: do have solutions on your end. You can insulate your
Speaker 6: home air seal of a calking gun. That's nineteen forties
Speaker 6: technology that's not new, are expensive. You just got to
Speaker 6: do it. But none of us do that perfectly. But
Speaker 6: we can help ourselves. And then new technology is not
Speaker 6: everything has to be a giant megaplant. You could do
Speaker 6: something on your home or business. There's medium tier facilities
Speaker 6: we're working on. So let's say it's on twenty acres
Speaker 6: forty acres or an industrial roof. You could put solar,
Speaker 6: or you could do parts solar, part battery, part natural gas,
Speaker 6: like a microgrid hybrid system. And then it can be
Speaker 6: back up emergency power for a facility or a factory
Speaker 6: that has.
Speaker 2: To run it all but Tom a little bit about
Speaker 2: that business. That's an expensive outlay, and sometimes you know,
Speaker 2: you get an agreement where they put it on quote
Speaker 2: unquote for free. But the veig on that what you're
Speaker 2: paying an interest basis of payback is pretty extreme. That
Speaker 2: that might be good if you have that upfront cash
Speaker 2: or the math works for you, but right now for
Speaker 2: most people that doesn't.
Speaker 6: Well, if you're talking about a business, it's probably easier
Speaker 6: to get there, true, and it depends if your business
Speaker 6: is energy intents of like many family owned businesses in
Speaker 6: Ohio or manufacturing businesses where energy is their second most
Speaker 6: expensive category after labor, so they pay very careful attention
Speaker 6: already to that. So you're right, some businesses it will
Speaker 6: be easier to get there than the other's. Hospitals are
Speaker 6: a good use. Even school systems that have let's say
Speaker 6: five elementary schools to middle school to high school, you
Speaker 6: could aggregate all that power draw and then feed it
Speaker 6: with a virtual net metering system that might be in
Speaker 6: the next county over. Yeah, So I think what you'll
Speaker 6: find is, even if you don't power all of the needs,
Speaker 6: you could do a portion of it, and then that
Speaker 6: gives you a long term, low price, stable contract, and
Speaker 6: so your financial people can say, we're in a better
Speaker 6: position to have control over our bills and our risks,
Speaker 6: and we can plan for the future better. Some of
Speaker 6: the power will buy from the traditional grid, but some
Speaker 6: will get from these other systems, so you have options
Speaker 6: and nobody should be forced to do this. But I
Speaker 6: kind of do think we're going to enter a new
Speaker 6: era where we're thinking more about electricity than.
Speaker 2: We fear is my favor, I'm out of time, But
Speaker 2: my fear is there's going to be, like anything we
Speaker 2: don't do anything proactively, do it reactively, there's going to
Speaker 2: be some sort of energy nine to eleven where our
Speaker 2: grid shutdown will be a crisis before anyone goes back.
Speaker 2: We got to do something about this. That's just what
Speaker 2: we do in America.
Speaker 6: I think we don't inspect a bridge until bridge.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, we need a light at this intersection because
Speaker 2: some kids are going to get hit on their bike.
Speaker 2: Don't worry about it. Kid gets on a bike. Politicians
Speaker 2: out there, why don't we have a stoplight. I think
Speaker 2: I'm a big proponent and fascinated by many nuclear reactors,
Speaker 2: small nuclear reactors to power those AI facilities just have
Speaker 2: it on board. And the problem, of course, I think
Speaker 2: House Bill six and the first energy scandal ruined nuclear
Speaker 2: in the state of Ohio.
Speaker 6: I would I would say there's still possibilities there. It's
Speaker 6: very expensive, but there could be some business use cases
Speaker 6: for it, including your data centers. Uh yeah, it's kind
Speaker 6: of always like, well, twenty years in the future, it'll
Speaker 6: be it'll be ready. Maybe it's ten years in the future,
Speaker 6: we'll see, I mean, all options on the table. But
Speaker 6: some of these data centers may indeed be uh good
Speaker 6: category for using that. I'm hearing three Mile Island in
Speaker 6: New York is going to be reopened by the end
Speaker 6: of the data center something like that.
Speaker 2: In trouble.
Speaker 6: So, though, some of those super intensive, high price and
Speaker 6: they've got to have the power and they can't build
Speaker 6: risk or grip cutting out of them, they made do
Speaker 6: things like that.
Speaker 2: I think that's fascinating. I means to set in that
Speaker 2: direction that you could have a reactor the size of
Speaker 2: I don't know, a filing cabinet or a toaster, and
Speaker 2: that would power a subdivision or a fact or something
Speaker 2: along those lines, and that's essentially send it back into
Speaker 2: the company that makes and get a new one, kind
Speaker 2: of like a battery pack. But Tom Bullock, Executive Director
Speaker 2: of Citizens, you're tell me bortiblell have then and keep
Speaker 2: the call plants open because of the demand, and we
Speaker 2: don't have altered solutions. We got to wait for the
Speaker 2: sky to fall before we do anything. I think that
Speaker 2: is the too long, didn't read versionless conversation. But I
Speaker 2: appreciate your time again this morning, Tom, Thanks again.
Speaker 6: Let's talk some more. Thank you.
Speaker 2: We'll get a news update in this rainy Thursday morning.
Speaker 2: Good news is that's headed out and sunshine back in
Speaker 2: store for a trick or treating tomorrow. So full news update.
Speaker 2: Lot to catch up on wife jumps in the show
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Speaker 1: Worad Jeez, the Princess of Property, the Queen of Closings,
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Speaker 2: On seven hundred wl W. Good morning, how are you?
Speaker 4: It's a morning?
Speaker 2: It really is something else. It's I'm physical this morning,
Speaker 2: so I left for physicals. I did get a blood
Speaker 2: drop for my annual physical and got to the blood
Speaker 2: place at Montgomery Road, christ Hospital, which normally does good work.
Speaker 2: And seven o'clock and there's people behind me. I'm the
Speaker 2: first one there. I thought, okay, good, I got to
Speaker 2: get in. I got a bunch of stuff to do. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that person, we don't know where they are, so we'll.
Speaker 4: Probably never show.
Speaker 2: Never showed. So oh maybe we'ping like seven thirty, well
Speaker 2: maybe like seven forty. And they had one person. There
Speaker 2: was like three thousand people.
Speaker 4: Oh no, that's not good.
Speaker 5: Somebody's somebody's going to get is already either chewed out,
Speaker 5: fired or.
Speaker 2: No, probably not. It's just the way the economy is.
Speaker 2: I guess I don't know. And then traffic, of course
Speaker 2: was But I will say this. Can I goff on
Speaker 2: a little bit of a rant here for SI please?
Speaker 2: You know we're almost a because you're almost to that age. Okay, listen,
Speaker 2: this is like one of those progressive commercials, and those
Speaker 2: progressive commercials hit because it's so true that don't become
Speaker 2: your parents.
Speaker 4: Don't become your parents.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, if you're a senior citizen, if you're retired, and
Speaker 2: your joy you've got you know, you've worked your whole life,
Speaker 2: raised a family, Uh, did everything you're supposed to do.
Speaker 2: God bless you. I want to be there someday myself,
Speaker 2: but could you please, to the love of God, you
Speaker 2: don't need to be the first person in line at
Speaker 2: seven o'clock and born in the place. There are people
Speaker 2: that work that got to get to work, So why
Speaker 2: don't you wait till later in the day to do that.
Speaker 4: Oh you're saying that people that aren't working.
Speaker 2: Correct, It should be people like okay, I got to
Speaker 2: get to work by you know, some people at nine o'clock.
Speaker 2: I'm a little olwer than that. Obviously. They're just saying,
Speaker 2: you know, and here's your dad in my When I'm older,
Speaker 2: I'm not going to be the first guy in line,
Speaker 2: because you know, my prostates kept me on. I wake
Speaker 2: up at three am.
Speaker 4: Wet just a t If you're.
Speaker 5: My dad and he's whatever, eighty years old, he's going
Speaker 5: to be the first one in line. You have to
Speaker 5: do in the first few at church, he is in
Speaker 5: the first one in line because he's up at three am.
Speaker 4: He goes to bed at five pm.
Speaker 2: Man, man, you don't need to be there that early.
Speaker 2: I got the right. I want to waste the whole day.
Speaker 6: What is it you have to do.
Speaker 2: That's so damn important. You're retired. You could do it
Speaker 2: anything you want or nothing.
Speaker 4: If I start going to bed at five pm, seriously, just.
Speaker 2: Well, you're getting closer.
Speaker 6: Thirty.
Speaker 2: Last night, she's in bed. What are you doing?
Speaker 4: It was cold. I wanted to get under the covers
Speaker 4: and snuggle.
Speaker 2: And now by the time I came to bed, you
Speaker 2: got the blanket, all the blankets, and the dog got
Speaker 2: up and try to pick him up. He's growling at you.
Speaker 2: He's like, I'm trying to get my bitch. I'm trying
Speaker 2: to sleep too. I stole your all right, all right, Well,
Speaker 2: so that was the day so far, so hopefull. Everyone's
Speaker 2: you know, if you're stuck on that traffic and.
Speaker 4: Stuff to do right now, everything should be you know,
Speaker 4: rocket and.
Speaker 2: Roll should be calm. All right. So let's jump into
Speaker 2: this real quick. Here we have a FED rate cut.
Speaker 2: What does actually mean for people? I think are thinking like, wow,
Speaker 2: this is going to go back to three percent sometimes so.
Speaker 5: Right, and there is people are posting on social My
Speaker 5: lender said it's going to be three percent by the
Speaker 5: end of the year.
Speaker 4: Don't do anything until then. Blah blah. That is a
Speaker 4: bunch of bees.
Speaker 2: I wonder tell you that they want to get their money.
Speaker 5: I don't know who's telling who what. But the Fed
Speaker 5: cut the fat cut it's benchmark federal funds rate by
Speaker 5: a quarter percent. This was expected. Okay, the markets have
Speaker 5: already expected this cut. They've already you know, we've already
Speaker 5: baked that into the cake. So mortgage rates are likely
Speaker 5: to you know, they've already come down a little bit.
Speaker 5: They're not too six percent at we're like six point
Speaker 5: one three, depending on your credit.
Speaker 4: It's still really good. It's better than it was.
Speaker 5: You know, we were at seven, we were at seven
Speaker 5: and a quarter an hour at six and a quarter,
Speaker 5: let's say. And so if that's for a thirty year
Speaker 5: fixed rate, you can get a lower rate if you
Speaker 5: buy down the rate. There are ways for you to
Speaker 5: get that lower rate, but.
Speaker 4: You have to pay for it. So that's just stuff
Speaker 4: to figure out.
Speaker 5: It doesn't automatically when the Fed cuts the rate, everybody
Speaker 5: in their mind says.
Speaker 4: Oh, yay, mortgage rates are going to go down. No,
Speaker 4: that's not the that's not the case.
Speaker 5: Doesn't automatically translate into a equal quarter point drop in
Speaker 5: mortgage rates. It's it's the short term policy rate. It
Speaker 5: affects all kinds of things, ten year treasury bonds and
Speaker 5: things that I don't even know about.
Speaker 6: And so.
Speaker 5: It's good news, that's for sure. But it doesn't do
Speaker 5: like equal parts lowering our mortgage rate.
Speaker 4: So that's what you just need to know.
Speaker 5: If you're buying or refinancing, there is going to be
Speaker 5: a benefit to that. And so if you have to refinance,
Speaker 5: if you are one of the people who a year
Speaker 5: ago we said, okay, if you find your perfect house
Speaker 5: and you have the high rate, guess what, when the
Speaker 5: rate goes down, you can refinance. That's what's happening right now,
Speaker 5: and we are seeing more and more of that. So
Speaker 5: that came true when when all the real estate agents
Speaker 5: out there said, go ahead, you can buy a house
Speaker 5: as long as you can afford it, you can refinance. Okay,
Speaker 5: that's we're getting into that territory. If you have a
Speaker 5: full point difference, you may want to look into refinancing.
Speaker 4: So that's that's a good thing.
Speaker 2: Got it all right, But somebody hear that and go, well,
Speaker 2: I keep hearing there's gonna be another quarter point cut,
Speaker 2: another code there is, And again I'll just sit and wait.
Speaker 4: You can wait.
Speaker 5: But we're at six point one point three right now.
Speaker 5: It might get to six, it may get to five
Speaker 5: point ninety nine. That's probably not going to make the
Speaker 5: biggest of difference in your monthly mortgage. It really isn't.
Speaker 5: Those teeny tiny little tenths of a point is not
Speaker 5: gonna make that. It's gonna be like twenty dollars or
Speaker 5: thirty dollars, maybe maybe fifty bucks. And again, if it
Speaker 5: ever goes to that, it's never gonna get time. I'm
Speaker 5: on a fixed income. I got to get up early
Speaker 5: to go to the doctor, and I'm fifty dollars.
Speaker 2: I might a fixed income.
Speaker 4: Well, I'm glad for you.
Speaker 2: Then you should know what This is a lot of money.
Speaker 5: Okay, But if you're in a fixed income and you've
Speaker 5: been in your home for twenty years, you shouldn't have
Speaker 5: a mortgage payment anyway. You should have had that thing
Speaker 5: paid off. You shouldn't have refinanced and borrowed the money
Speaker 5: against yourself a million times.
Speaker 4: Oh Jesus, sounds like my mom.
Speaker 2: No kidding, at eight thirty sounded like your mom, all right? Anyway,
Speaker 2: My wife Michelle Sloan here, not my mother in law,
Speaker 2: my wife Michelle's long on the show und wwill real
Speaker 2: estate check up, right, So we're getting rate cuts. But
Speaker 2: you know, here's the thing. You go, well, maybe I
Speaker 2: want to wait till little see if it gets down
Speaker 2: to five at some point. Now it could be another
Speaker 2: could be a year, could be longer.
Speaker 4: Yeah, now five. See again.
Speaker 5: I think you're pushing that territory that if you want
Speaker 5: to move, if you want to make a move, make
Speaker 5: a freaking move.
Speaker 4: Sorry.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, it's it's all about living your life
Speaker 5: in the present.
Speaker 2: So how many things do you have left?
Speaker 4: Exactly?
Speaker 2: That's why I get at six o'clock in the morning
Speaker 2: to get my blood draw I don't know how many
Speaker 2: of these I have left.
Speaker 4: Yeah. So here's the thing.
Speaker 5: If you find a house that works for you and
Speaker 5: you can afford it at the current rate, I'm always
Speaker 5: going to advise you to go ahead and buy that
Speaker 5: home because that home may not come around. That home,
Speaker 5: the particular home that fits your needs, may not come
Speaker 5: around again for a very long time. I've had some
Speaker 5: people that have been looking in certain school districts for
Speaker 5: two years or more because they're looking for the unicorn,
Speaker 5: the needle in the haystack that doesn't come along. It
Speaker 5: may come along, but when you find it, boy, you
Speaker 5: better jump on it because you may not find it
Speaker 5: ever again.
Speaker 2: Also may have to compromise as well.
Speaker 5: And that's something well, that's the one thing, you know,
Speaker 5: you really people. Some people are just unwilling to compromise.
Speaker 5: And if you're unwilling to compromise, then you should build.
Speaker 5: And that's sort of where I will direct you. If
Speaker 5: I'm working with you and we cannot find the right
Speaker 5: house for you in a certain area, a certain school district,
Speaker 5: and you're gonna nitpick every single little tiny thing, Oh
Speaker 5: my gosh, you know there's a there's a tiny hole
Speaker 5: in the wall, or the sink drips, or this is
Speaker 5: old or whatever. You know what if it's a used home,
Speaker 5: if it's a home, it's not brand new, it's not
Speaker 5: going to be brand new.
Speaker 2: You just have to accept that.
Speaker 4: That's one thing. So and then there then if I say.
Speaker 2: If here's one that I you know, we just talked
Speaker 2: about this before, because we sold our house over the summer,
Speaker 2: and you did a great job. You're my favorite realtor
Speaker 2: and you got like got thirteen showings in one day
Speaker 2: and a handful of offers, so that was good. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but some people Again, you know that there's people and
Speaker 2: you have clients like this, and there's certain ethnicities that
Speaker 2: do this that the door has to be facing the
Speaker 2: right way. There's feng shuai, there's I don't know whether
Speaker 2: these super you know, rituals and all cultures have that.
Speaker 2: But you're like, you know, you've been looking for a
Speaker 2: house for two years. This is what perfectly except the
Speaker 2: doors facing the wrong way, like, and you want to
Speaker 2: get in the mason where the schools are really good
Speaker 2: because you have young kids. I mean, by the time
Speaker 2: you get that and what you want, everyone's fighting for
Speaker 2: that where the door is facing the right way. Your
Speaker 2: kids are going to be thirty, So you know, are
Speaker 2: you you know what I mean, It's like you got
Speaker 2: to pull the trigger at some point or you just keep.
Speaker 5: Renting, you know, if you're renting, If you keep renting,
Speaker 5: and you know, we have I've had situations certainly I'd
Speaker 5: like to buy a house, Okay, how much do you
Speaker 5: want to spend?
Speaker 4: How much are you able to spend? That kind of thing, and.
Speaker 5: The numbers don't add up, and so there's there's a
Speaker 5: combination of things. That's why when you hire a realtor,
Speaker 5: which is what you are doing. You are hiring a
Speaker 5: realtor to work with you. And the people that think
Speaker 5: they can just use realtors like I don't know, toilet paper,
Speaker 5: use them for a second and then throw them away
Speaker 5: not the best way, because you want to have a
Speaker 5: realtor who's going to work for you, with you together
Speaker 5: to come up with the solution to what you're looking for.
Speaker 5: And having and hiring an agent is very important part
Speaker 5: of the process. There's a thousand there's actually thousands of
Speaker 5: us out there, and so choosing the one that fits
Speaker 5: your personality, who is available when you need them, and
Speaker 5: is open and honest and trustworthy. That's the kind of
Speaker 5: agent that you want on your side every step of
Speaker 5: the way.
Speaker 2: Yeah, my wife, Michelle Sloan is that agent.
Speaker 6: All right.
Speaker 2: So we're getting to that time of year, the some
Speaker 2: pump starting to check out. We've talked about this before.
Speaker 2: Make sure you check your some pump. That's something I
Speaker 2: want to stress is you know, if that things, if
Speaker 2: you're getting all this rain, it's not turning on, you
Speaker 2: got to go down there and check it maybe and
Speaker 2: hopefully you have you know, battery backup if you need it,
Speaker 2: if you have a lot of that, because especially if
Speaker 2: you have a finished basement. If not, you got an
Speaker 2: indoor swimming pool, don't worry about it. Make sure the
Speaker 2: some pump's working. How you test that simply as get
Speaker 2: a bucket of water and keep dumping it in there
Speaker 2: until the float valve comes up, and then or you
Speaker 2: can put a little bit of water in there and
Speaker 2: lift the little ball up of kind of like a toilet,
Speaker 2: and it should engage and get all that water. If not,
Speaker 2: you got to get a plumber over there and take
Speaker 2: a look at that. Also, this is the weekend with
Speaker 2: the time change. Got to mention the smoke detectors. And
Speaker 2: also I'll throw this in there too, because you can
Speaker 2: buy them with a combined thing, and you know people
Speaker 2: have habits and while I don't need all that, get
Speaker 2: the carbon monoxide detector. So many people die from carbon
Speaker 2: monoxide poison, especially this time of year. Furnace kicks on.
Speaker 2: Maybe you know there's insects or a bird built a nest,
Speaker 2: or a bat diet or something, all sorts of stuff
Speaker 2: in that chimney or and that flu in the vent.
Speaker 2: If it's blocked, it's gonna you know, it could kill
Speaker 2: you and your family. So you can get a carbon
Speaker 2: monoxide detector for like less than twenty bucks. You know,
Speaker 2: put put it in and where they recommend it in
Speaker 2: your house depending on can't get the details of exactly where,
Speaker 2: not knowing what your house looks like, but you know
Speaker 2: an inspector.
Speaker 5: Will be looking for that. You know that over the years,
Speaker 5: the it's changed and you only had to have one
Speaker 5: outside of the bedroom. Now you're you're looking at wanting
Speaker 5: to have a smoke detector in every single bedroom, right
Speaker 5: so you know while things change, yeah, you don't.
Speaker 4: That's the thing. You have to just be aware because
Speaker 4: safety first, yeap.
Speaker 2: If you first hit that, check your batteries, if you
Speaker 2: still have the old fashioned smoke if those detectors still
Speaker 2: have the batteries, because now they sell one in the
Speaker 2: battery lasts like ten years. But even the higher the
Speaker 2: wired ones that are daisy chained. You know, if you
Speaker 2: can't tell when that smoke detector is that they won't
Speaker 2: last forever. So you've got about ten years. You should
Speaker 2: really consider replacing them because you'll get some false positives
Speaker 2: like we have something that are older and you know,
Speaker 2: when you cook, they go off. So I got to
Speaker 2: change os and I'll put some newer carbon monoxide ones in.
Speaker 4: How do you adjest that? Do I like put a
Speaker 4: lighter up to it?
Speaker 2: Oh? You simply well, no, you need just a little
Speaker 2: smoke from a candle would do it. But you know,
Speaker 2: typically ten years because dust collects on the sensors and
Speaker 2: that and and you know you just want to make
Speaker 2: sure God forbid you need it at work. So they're
Speaker 2: really you think about it, Well, all the stuff he
Speaker 2: spent our Hou, it's not that expensive. If they're more
Speaker 2: than ten years older, should consider getting some new ones anyway,
Speaker 2: just the PSA there for some safety, for some remodeling
Speaker 2: safety from me. All right, my watch Michelle Sloan's Loan
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