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Speaker 1: Don't want to be an American.

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Speaker 2: It's got so lung. Show back on seven hundred, wolbody

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Speaker 2: got an election coming up Tuesday. Levees in a dozen places,

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Speaker 2: local offices, and there's a big CPS renewal. We've got

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Speaker 2: the mayor's race, of course, and some twenty six people.

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Speaker 2: It feels like three thousand people trying to place in

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Speaker 2: the top nine. So twenty six people looking for nine

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Speaker 2: jobs in a Sea Down council on this and more.

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Speaker 2: Is the person who controls it all. That would be

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Speaker 2: the director of the Hamlet County Board of Elections, Sherry Poland,

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Speaker 2: welcome back. How are you.

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Speaker 3: I'm doing well, Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 2: You always in a good mood. This is like right now

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Speaker 2: I would be just crabby af you know what I mean,

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Speaker 2: because you got so much coming at you right now.

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Speaker 2: All right, so we'll start with this. The polls up

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Speaker 2: on Tuesday, six thirty am to seven thirty I believe correct.

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Speaker 3: That's crack six thirty am to seven thirty pm.

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Speaker 2: Don't forget the driver's license.

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Speaker 3: That's correct, that's correct. A few years ago, Hi Ohio

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Speaker 3: changed these acceptable forms of ID for voting, so in

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Speaker 3: order to vote in person, you do need to have

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Speaker 3: a State of Ohio driver's license or a State of

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Speaker 3: Ohio identification card, or a passport or military ID. So

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Speaker 3: make sure it's not expired. Make sure it's up to

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Speaker 3: date before you come to the polls.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I bring one that's expired, I forget it. What happens,

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Speaker 2: I can vote.

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Speaker 3: No problem. If you do not have an acceptable form

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Speaker 3: of ID, you will be issued what we call a

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Speaker 3: provisional ballot. It's the same ballot that's issued to every

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Speaker 3: other voter you would market, but instead of scanning it

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Speaker 3: and having it counted election night, it's placed inside what

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Speaker 3: we call a provisional envelope and that has your identifying

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Speaker 3: information on it. You fill that out after election day.

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Speaker 3: Bipartisan teams verify the information on the envelope, and the

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Speaker 3: voter has four days after election day, so that's the

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Speaker 3: Saturday after election Day to come to the Board of

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Speaker 3: Elections and present an acceptable form of ID. They do,

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Speaker 3: then that ballot will be added to the official count,

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Speaker 3: which occurs a few weeks after election day. I do

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Speaker 3: want to note that if you're in fign yourself in

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Speaker 3: that situation right now, so your driver's license or state

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Speaker 3: idea is expired. Go to the BMV before you come

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Speaker 3: to the polls. That interim documentation that the BMB gives

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Speaker 3: you while your identifications being mailed to you, that interim

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Speaker 3: idea that's good for driving purposes, it's also acceptable for voting.

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Speaker 3: So if you have that, you will not have to

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Speaker 3: vote provisionally.

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Speaker 2: Okay, got it. Let's talk about the early voting numbers,

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Speaker 2: how early voting the absentee ballots, and how did the

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Speaker 2: request compared to previous elections and what does that tell

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Speaker 2: you about what's going to happen Tuesday?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So absent te voting, which is that umbrella that

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Speaker 3: contains both voting by mail and early in person voting.

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Speaker 3: We're pretty much right on track as to the twenty

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Speaker 3: twenty one election. So four years ago, once again Cincinnati

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Speaker 3: was voting council members and this election, that turnout is

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Speaker 3: tracking right on pace with that twenty twenty one election.

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Speaker 2: Okay, compare that to like a presidential cycle, the last

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Speaker 2: presidential election, so one percent. Okay, what are we talking?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, So in.

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Speaker 3: Twenty twenty one, county wide, we saw a twenty six

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Speaker 3: Compare that to a presidential where we see a seventy

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Speaker 3: for us in the business to understand why that happens

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Speaker 3: haven't voted yet, voted yet early voting in person is

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Speaker 3: still ongoing through Sunday, and you know your polls will

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Speaker 2: I would say it's simply but it's marketing, I think right,

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Speaker 2: political messages, president presidential races front and center, And I

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Speaker 2: That's my theory.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely. Something else we see is that you know,

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Speaker 3: So two years ago, twenty twenty three odd year, you know,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and I think me and that's probably a

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Speaker 2: good point too, is the more globally issued. That's a

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Speaker 2: state issue. But everyone's like, okay, I can identify with that.

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Speaker 2: You start talking about millage and levees and school boards

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Speaker 2: don't know who these people are. Did some research found

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Speaker 2: ones I looked at when I have no idea who

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Speaker 2: just left blank, which you can do.

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Speaker 4: You can do.

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Speaker 3: You can absolutely skip the contest. That is your right

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Speaker 3: to do that. But I think you bring up another

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Speaker 3: very good point, and that is to become an informed voter.

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Speaker 3: And it's easy to do if you vote by mail

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Speaker 3: because that ballot is mail to your house. You can

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Speaker 3: fit take your time to the research. However, for this election,

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Speaker 3: voting by mail has ended. That ended on Tuesday. Anyone

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Speaker 3: who wished to vote by mail had to submit an

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Speaker 3: application to the board by this past Tuesday, Chamber twenty,

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Speaker 3: is go on to our website Vote Hamilton County, Ohio

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Speaker 3: dot gov. Vote Hamilton County, Ohio dot gov. Go onto

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Speaker 3: our website and you can look up your sample ballot

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Speaker 3: on our website so it looks almost identical to the

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Speaker 3: So review ahead of time, do your research like you did,

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Speaker 2: Scott's Onland with Sherry Poland. She's the director Hamilin County

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Speaker 2: Board of Elections got the election coming up Tuesday. If

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Speaker 2: you're in person, at six point thirty relative to that, Sherry,

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Speaker 2: every four voters in the city. And sometimes issues will

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Speaker 2: bring out more people on off year elections, as this

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Speaker 2: one is because you don't have the hype of the

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Speaker 2: presidential I understand that, and I think people are just

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Speaker 2: fatigued too going I'm going to take a knee here

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Speaker 2: this year. I don't need to show. But I thought,

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Speaker 2: you're just managing the election. But I thought, for sure,

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Speaker 3: That surprised me, you know, and it's still a possibility

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Speaker 3: on election day. You know, the majority of voters in

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Speaker 3: Hamilton County still choose to vote on election day, so

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Speaker 3: you know, we might see that higher turnout come.

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Speaker 5: Then.

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Speaker 3: You know, I don't have a crystal ball that tells

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Speaker 3: me that, but we'll find out on Tuesday.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exact, we'll find out together on Tuesday. Regarding that too,

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Speaker 2: how many more people this year And I'm sure you're

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Speaker 2: looking at the trend and it's just align almost straight upward.

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Speaker 2: I would guess the number of people taking advantage of

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Speaker 2: the very generous way we can vote early in the

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Speaker 2: do a little research. Whereas typically you don't have that

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Speaker 2: easier to know how many more people are taking advantage?

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Speaker 2: Are we seeing the trend continue upward?

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Speaker 3: What we're seeing continue to trend upward is the early

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Speaker 3: in person voting. It's just become, you know, extremely extremely

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Speaker 3: we had many many people vote by mail, obviously due

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Speaker 3: After twenty twenty, we went back to the majority of

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Speaker 2: On election I hate that's happening.

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Speaker 3: I don't know, you know, I think one way. You know,

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Speaker 3: we live in the Midwest. We like our traditions. You know,

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Speaker 3: election day. That's a sacred day to me. That's what

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Speaker 3: we have a lot of people with the early voting.

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Speaker 3: You know, we have voting for almost a month at

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Speaker 3: Obviously, on election day you must go to your assigned

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Speaker 3: matter where you live in Hamilton Counties, your registered voter,

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Speaker 3: many times we see families coming together so where they

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Speaker 3: We see a lot of people sort of making a

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Speaker 3: and again it's it's extremely convenient. And the hours that

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Speaker 2: The board Cherry Poland with all the event of early voting,

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Speaker 2: But how is this changing how you tabulate the elections?

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Speaker 2: How's that changed your job? And also when the results

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Speaker 3: A great question. You know, in the state of Ohio,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, scam, get him ready to go, so that makes

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Speaker 3: Again, I don't have a crystal ball that would that

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Speaker 2: Gotcha.

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Speaker 3: I'll just have to be a little bit patient to

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Speaker 2: I know you have last minute preparations. You got to

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Speaker 2: everything's ready to go. You're a busy lady. I always

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Speaker 2: appreciate it talking to you and enjoy our conversations and

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Speaker 2: all the best, Jerry Poland thanks again for coming on

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Speaker 2: the show. How about a nice quiet Tuesday, does that

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Speaker 3: That sounds wonderful to me.

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Speaker 2: It's fuzz you've seen some stuff, yeah we have.

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Speaker 3: But we have a great team here at the Board

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Speaker 3: if it's truly a place where Democrats and Republicans come

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Speaker 2: So got to have a shout out to them all

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Speaker 2: the best, Cherry, be well, good luck, Thank you much,

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Speaker 2: Sherry poland that as you're a director Hamiley County Board

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Speaker 2: So six thirty am Tuesday, if you're an in person voter,

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Speaker 2: And I have no idea what to tell Brian Combs.

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Speaker 2: This is all about Colms is like, Hey, you're talking

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Speaker 2: And we tabulate the elections and sometimes they're contentious, Sometimes

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Speaker 2: Along came early voting kind of eased the process, made

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Speaker 6: You know.

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Speaker 2: all Brian Combs wants to know, despite all of that history,

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Speaker 2: despite it being the cornerstone of our constitution, of our

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Speaker 2: whal life here in America, one person, one vote, all

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Speaker 2: Brian Combs cares about is what time he can go

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Speaker 2: home and have a beer. Scott's Loan Show seven hundred

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Speaker 2: w weld Slowly seven hundred WLW interesting. Sherry poland director

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Speaker 2: Hamlin County Boe just on the show last half hour.

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Speaker 2: The turnout so far, the projection is right around twenty

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Speaker 2: Don't know if that helps or hurts the incumbents, and

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Speaker 2: AFT to have pure vol. Pure vol most likely is

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Speaker 2: That and the fact you're the incumbent. It's kind of

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Speaker 2: it's certainly not an indictment of Corey Bowman in his

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Speaker 2: you have twenty six people running for nine seats, something's

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Speaker 2: But okay, so Afteb's the mayor and then you get

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Speaker 2: I can't really comment the personnel issue. So you've got

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Speaker 2: what's frustrating that in the just the dire, the horrible

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Speaker 2: I could go on and on about the violence this summer,

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Speaker 2: there are different different beliefs, but there's a lot of

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Speaker 2: overlap between what we're talking about with the mayor of

435
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Speaker 2: Cincinnati and the President of the United States. And so

436
00:21:19,520 --> 00:21:21,600
Speaker 2: if you're really anti one, I don't know how this

437
00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:25,160
Speaker 2: isn't creep in and go wow, we've got a leadership

438
00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:27,440
Speaker 2: problem in this country, whether it's Democrats or Republicans for

439
00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:29,440
Speaker 2: that matter. Anyway, more than that ten oh seven list

440
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Speaker 2: keating Council. I'm looking to get back into council here

441
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Speaker 2: and we'll get to her coming up in just a

442
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Speaker 2: few here on seven hundred WLW. You don't one of

443
00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:39,040
Speaker 2: my chronic complaints, the bitch and moan factor. I don't

444
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Speaker 2: know if it's a complaint real, it's observation.

445
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Speaker 6: Right.

446
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Speaker 2: I went to college, my wife went to colle who

447
00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:45,200
Speaker 2: we met a college, went to university, did what we're

448
00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:47,480
Speaker 2: supposed to do, because back in the eighties I would

449
00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:50,960
Speaker 2: not particularly bright as you know back then, but you

450
00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:53,040
Speaker 2: just needed like a pulse and a number two pencil,

451
00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:55,640
Speaker 2: like yeah, you got those two things. Ah yeah, okay,

452
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Speaker 2: come on in. We'll take you today. A whole different thing.

453
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Speaker 2: You know, even a I don't ember say the point average.

454
00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:02,880
Speaker 2: Generally a four point is a good perfect Now we've

455
00:22:02,920 --> 00:22:05,040
Speaker 2: got people with above a four point grade point average

456
00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:07,680
Speaker 2: and still can't get into their core classes or a

457
00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:13,560
Speaker 2: program of study because we have made college more important

458
00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:16,359
Speaker 2: than it should be. And I say that not because

459
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Speaker 2: I think college is a wasted time, waste of money.

460
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Speaker 2: It is for some people. We still need people in

461
00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:23,440
Speaker 2: the stems, and there's still doctors and nurses and engineers

462
00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:26,800
Speaker 2: and mathemagicians and the real fingers out there. But the

463
00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:29,560
Speaker 2: problem is when you allowed the federal government to come

464
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Speaker 2: in and make money off of this through federalizing the

465
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Speaker 2: loans and the whole scam, and I'll call it the

466
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Speaker 2: college scam, where you have people coming in not knowing

467
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Speaker 2: what they're going to do. You know, it used to

468
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Speaker 2: be go in and change your major eleven times, and

469
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Speaker 2: you know you have your loan paid off in a

470
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Speaker 2: reasonable bond of time. It still took my wife and

471
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Speaker 2: I and we graduated in the early nine well, late

472
00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:51,399
Speaker 2: late daies, early nineties, it still took us. Yeah, it

473
00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:53,040
Speaker 2: wasn't quite ten years, but took us a while to

474
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Speaker 2: pay those loans off. Now more chance do you have.

475
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Speaker 2: And I think that's part of the problem. You know,

476
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Speaker 2: if you go in you're gonna go get a degree

477
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Speaker 2: in metater or something, but you're still going to get

478
00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:05,440
Speaker 2: like a philosophy degree or archaeology or art history or

479
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Speaker 2: something like that. I mean, why are we still offering

480
00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:10,080
Speaker 2: those majors? And it's not an indictment of one university.

481
00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:14,359
Speaker 2: It's a system. It's the entire system. But if you

482
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Speaker 2: don't think it's about money, it's about higher education and

483
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Speaker 2: the best way I don't know. I got a call

484
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Speaker 2: like it is. So our friends at Xavier University have

485
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Speaker 2: changed how the campus living requirement is. So starting fall

486
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Speaker 2: of next year, if you go to x you need

487
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Speaker 2: to live on campus now for three years. And that

488
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Speaker 2: applies to students ages seventeen to twenty one. If you're

489
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Speaker 2: commuting or living with a parent or guardian, different story,

490
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Speaker 2: but they're going to force you to stay on campus

491
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Speaker 2: now for an extra year. And unfortunately, students are not

492
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Speaker 2: happy about this because I think the student body president

493
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Speaker 2: said it's the most unpopular policy changed by far. Because

494
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Speaker 2: they never asked us. We found about it on social media.

495
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Speaker 2: Let's just and Xavier says, no, no, no, no, no,

496
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Speaker 2: this is not this is not about money. It's this

497
00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:04,639
Speaker 2: is what future students want and families want, and it's uh,

498
00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:08,120
Speaker 2: it pays benefits because we tend to get higher graduation

499
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Speaker 2: rates and there's a sense of community and other school

500
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Speaker 2: but other schools are doing I always hate that other

501
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Speaker 2: schools are doing it. You know, Georgetown and Notre Dame

502
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Speaker 2: are doing it. I'm not quite sure because I'm looking

503
00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:25,080
Speaker 2: at the numbers going off campus. Rent is according to

504
00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:29,440
Speaker 2: the story, about five fifty a month right right around that.

505
00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:33,560
Speaker 2: That's a sweet spot off campus, and then that's it.

506
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Speaker 2: On campus housing they're getting up to like fifty six

507
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Speaker 2: hund do per semester.

508
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Speaker 4: So I add that up.

509
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Speaker 2: Okay, that's five to fifty a month, five fifty six

510
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Speaker 2: hundred for semester. But you're still talking, you know, just

511
00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:51,159
Speaker 2: basic math, that's ten times more than rent. But all right,

512
00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:54,160
Speaker 2: so a semester is three fee. You know, you're still

513
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Speaker 2: paying a quite a high premium here, and you know

514
00:24:57,119 --> 00:24:59,800
Speaker 2: it's between twenty seven hundred and fifty six hundred per semester,

515
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Speaker 2: depending what kind of room you have, versus five point

516
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Speaker 2: fifty a month. And that's a substantial price difference right there.

517
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Speaker 2: And you know, I'm sorry when when you know they're

518
00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:14,040
Speaker 2: you're dealing with and xaviers hoping about this, dealing with

519
00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:16,959
Speaker 2: an operating budget. They're trying to figure out a new

520
00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:20,520
Speaker 2: way to address the shortfall and the tuition revenue. When

521
00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:22,440
Speaker 2: it starts to go in the other direction, though, what

522
00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:24,280
Speaker 2: does that mean? You've got all these shiny business of

523
00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:24,879
Speaker 2: these buildings.

524
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Speaker 6: You have.

525
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Speaker 2: Professors and administrators and staff you want to keep home

526
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Speaker 2: and pay them and keep the lights. And there's a

527
00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:35,240
Speaker 2: lot of overhead with this thing. But yeah, I don't know.

528
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Speaker 2: Now we're going to going to force students to stand

529
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Speaker 2: on campus because I think it's going to work, It's

530
00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:42,040
Speaker 2: gonna be higher retention rates. I don't know if I'm

531
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Speaker 2: buying it. I look at it more pragmatically than that

532
00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:47,000
Speaker 2: and go, I think it's about money. I think it's

533
00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:49,399
Speaker 2: about you all wanting to keep that cash because you

534
00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:52,320
Speaker 2: move off campus. Now I'm not living the dorm. I'm

535
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Speaker 2: living I'm doing my and what I went through it.

536
00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:56,600
Speaker 2: I think at BG, when I was in the back

537
00:25:56,680 --> 00:25:59,879
Speaker 2: in the day, it was two years and even that

538
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Speaker 2: I thought that first semester, you know, first year of school,

539
00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:04,760
Speaker 2: you're a freshman. You don't know what's going on, especially me.

540
00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:06,000
Speaker 2: I was the first one in my family to go,

541
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Speaker 2: so I had no guidance whatsoever. Just kind of was

542
00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:11,440
Speaker 2: like feral and back. But after that first year, you

543
00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:13,879
Speaker 2: kind of like, Okay, I got this down. And by

544
00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:16,120
Speaker 2: the second, like the first end of the first semester,

545
00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:18,080
Speaker 2: second year in the dorm, you're like, I, you know,

546
00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:19,399
Speaker 2: I can't wait to get the hell out of here.

547
00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:23,239
Speaker 2: I can't wait to get my own apartment. I can

548
00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:25,080
Speaker 2: come and go as I please, and there's no ra

549
00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:26,520
Speaker 2: and I could do we can you know, you can

550
00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:28,840
Speaker 2: do beer, you know, get a keg and beer bongs

551
00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:31,200
Speaker 2: and kegstands and smoke weed and stuff you can't do

552
00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:33,320
Speaker 2: anymore because I think they send you to guantanamo if

553
00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:35,240
Speaker 2: you sip a beer under the age of twenty one. Nonetheless,

554
00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:38,960
Speaker 2: that's what we're faced with. And so that was like, yeah,

555
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:41,920
Speaker 2: two three years is just there's no reason for that

556
00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:45,040
Speaker 2: builds a sense of community. I you know what, it's

557
00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:48,200
Speaker 2: four years of my life, okay, and I have great

558
00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:51,040
Speaker 2: I still have friends from college, sure that I don't

559
00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:53,359
Speaker 2: talk to all that often, but still friends, and I

560
00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:55,760
Speaker 2: probably should talk to them more. But at the same time,

561
00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:57,359
Speaker 2: it's like, okay, I build that sense of community that

562
00:26:57,520 --> 00:26:59,439
Speaker 2: was not a dorms. I was like extra cricketer kind

563
00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:03,080
Speaker 2: of stuff. So I look at this and go, yeah,

564
00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:05,760
Speaker 2: it just feels like a money grab to me. And

565
00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:07,520
Speaker 2: I'm kind of with the students on that one. And

566
00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:09,119
Speaker 2: it's tough enough to pay for college. I got to

567
00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:11,480
Speaker 2: pay more because you're forcing me at gunpoint to stay

568
00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:13,760
Speaker 2: on campus. I don't know. And maybe because it's a

569
00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:17,200
Speaker 2: Jesuit private institution, maybe there's something there, but I don't.

570
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:19,280
Speaker 2: At least at a public school. It feels different to me.

571
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:22,000
Speaker 2: And we're starting to see, you know, as we have

572
00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:23,960
Speaker 2: few and fewer people. I heard a story I forgot

573
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:26,200
Speaker 2: where I heard this that for the first time ever.

574
00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:28,320
Speaker 2: I was in news yesterday and I forget who was

575
00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:30,879
Speaker 2: saying it. But the first time in our two hundred

576
00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:33,760
Speaker 2: and fifty years of existence, as a country, we have

577
00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:39,640
Speaker 2: more people aged sixty and older than people I think

578
00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:43,760
Speaker 2: it was eighteen and older. So you know, we're getting

579
00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:45,359
Speaker 2: a lot older, getting a lot grayer, is the point,

580
00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:48,119
Speaker 2: and fewer people going to college at least for an

581
00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:51,199
Speaker 2: extended period of time before we start to have more

582
00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:55,399
Speaker 2: babies or more immigrants with kids. Colleges are going to

583
00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:57,080
Speaker 2: suffer from this, and you wonder what that's going to

584
00:27:57,119 --> 00:27:58,520
Speaker 2: look like with the contraction. I would think that, and

585
00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:00,479
Speaker 2: we're seeing it ready. Some colleges just simply not going

586
00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:02,040
Speaker 2: to be able to survive, and they're also going to

587
00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:03,800
Speaker 2: have to look at quite honestly, they should and should

588
00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:05,120
Speaker 2: have done this for a long time when they're fat

589
00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:06,879
Speaker 2: and happy. You didn't have to now all of a

590
00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:08,680
Speaker 2: sudden when you're looking for people to show up like

591
00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:10,520
Speaker 2: it was when I was a kid. Right, because it's

592
00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:13,440
Speaker 2: about population trends, you're not going to have to be

593
00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:15,520
Speaker 2: as selective to go to school. So maybe the days

594
00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:18,080
Speaker 2: of a pulse and the number two pencil are back

595
00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:20,000
Speaker 2: in vogue. But it wouldn't be a number two pencil

596
00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:22,800
Speaker 2: because that's old. I guess it would be a I

597
00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:27,160
Speaker 2: don't know, a cell phone and a tablet and a pulse.

598
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:30,600
Speaker 2: So we're starting to see the effects now of the shutdown.

599
00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:32,200
Speaker 2: I've been talking about this the past few days, and

600
00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:35,080
Speaker 2: the SNAP benefits expiring on Saturday, and you know, the

601
00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:38,960
Speaker 2: political will power standing your ground and Republicans are saying, nope,

602
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:40,800
Speaker 2: we're not moving on this. Democrats say, nope, we're not

603
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:42,800
Speaker 2: moving on this. In the meantime, the rest of us,

604
00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:46,680
Speaker 2: the taxpayers, get screwed because our side has to win

605
00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:49,280
Speaker 2: at all costs. Rather than governing and representing us and

606
00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:52,080
Speaker 2: doing the hard work of governing, it's easier to simply

607
00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:54,480
Speaker 2: draw a line in the sand and say we're not

608
00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:57,480
Speaker 2: going to cross this. So for principle, but we're starting

609
00:28:57,480 --> 00:29:00,480
Speaker 2: to see the effects going from the theater at the

610
00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:02,200
Speaker 2: beginning for the first few weeks of this thing, to

611
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:05,040
Speaker 2: actual damage or people getting hurt anyway, and it would

612
00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:07,160
Speaker 2: be the SNAP people for sure. And now we're starting

613
00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:10,400
Speaker 2: to see those members of the federal workforce and contractors

614
00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:13,440
Speaker 2: that get paid. And now air travel is getting to

615
00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:16,640
Speaker 2: be a problem here, seven thousand flights today, the delayed

616
00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:19,200
Speaker 2: nationwide on Monday. Air traffic controls. I mean, look at

617
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:22,240
Speaker 2: it this way. If you say what you want about

618
00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:24,040
Speaker 2: federal workers. And when we do, we do need some

619
00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:26,680
Speaker 2: federal workers. We have, for example, right in a listening

620
00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:29,120
Speaker 2: area right in our backyard here our good friends in Dayton,

621
00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:31,040
Speaker 2: which I considered just like you know, we're a big

622
00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:33,200
Speaker 2: radio station. We get a lot of listeners in Dayton

623
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:37,760
Speaker 2: as well. You got right pat Air Force Base and

624
00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:40,280
Speaker 2: all the businesses around there. All those people suffer because

625
00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:42,760
Speaker 2: people aren't spending money, and that hurts the bottom line,

626
00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:46,520
Speaker 2: That hurts the economy, It hurts working folks. The FAA

627
00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:50,040
Speaker 2: is saying staffing shortages and ground delay programs at Newark,

628
00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:52,440
Speaker 2: close Cousin to close Austin, and I see some of

629
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:54,680
Speaker 2: the big used to be like the little ones. We're like, oh, okay,

630
00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:57,120
Speaker 2: so you know, maybe Louisville has a little bit of

631
00:29:57,160 --> 00:29:59,720
Speaker 2: a problem for a bit. I know, Nashal, bigger city

632
00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:02,440
Speaker 2: for but you know, it's not affecting the major airports.

633
00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:04,200
Speaker 2: And now we're starting to see, okay, Newark, which is

634
00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:08,360
Speaker 2: always jacked up. Newark's the worst headache in America. But Dallas,

635
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:12,080
Speaker 2: now we're starting to see this. And yeah, when you

636
00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:15,479
Speaker 2: start not paying people because of the shutdown, people are saying, well,

637
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:17,280
Speaker 2: I'm not going to show up to work. Now, you know,

638
00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:19,360
Speaker 2: if you're an official, you have to show up.

639
00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:20,280
Speaker 6: You just have to do that.

640
00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:22,560
Speaker 2: I don't understand that, Like, wait, wait a minute, a lot.

641
00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:24,880
Speaker 2: I did the job where you don't pay me, and

642
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:26,560
Speaker 2: you don't pay me for a couple of weeks and

643
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:28,560
Speaker 2: then you still expect me to show up. What am

644
00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:32,560
Speaker 2: I stupid? What was I born yesterday? I mean I

645
00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:34,320
Speaker 2: might do that for a minute or two, but probably

646
00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:35,880
Speaker 2: in large I think most people like, yeah, how many

647
00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:37,880
Speaker 2: sick days I got? How many vacation days? Because this

648
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:39,720
Speaker 2: is stupid. I don't even know if I'm ever going

649
00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:43,800
Speaker 2: to get paid. And this is important because we're heading

650
00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:47,040
Speaker 2: into the fall travel season here, not quite the Thanksgiving yet.

651
00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:48,600
Speaker 2: We got a few weeks that you just wonder how

652
00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:50,880
Speaker 2: much longer it's going to go. It doesn't seem like

653
00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:53,160
Speaker 2: they have the political impasis to get this thing done

654
00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:55,920
Speaker 2: anytime soon. But you know, once you get into and

655
00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:58,520
Speaker 2: the reason why these things last about thirty days, because

656
00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:00,600
Speaker 2: then people start to really notice. It's not just the

657
00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:03,240
Speaker 2: inconvenience of a park being shut down, or trash not

658
00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:05,320
Speaker 2: getting pat or a lawn not getting cut. Now you

659
00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:07,280
Speaker 2: start to see it, you know, the impact be a

660
00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:09,880
Speaker 2: little bit deeper here, and when it comes to the

661
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:12,280
Speaker 2: snap benef it's a very simply a freestar food bank.

662
00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:15,160
Speaker 2: I occurred Rber on the show on Monday and he

663
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:16,840
Speaker 2: had his appeal out there, We're gonna have to hand

664
00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:19,160
Speaker 2: out more meals and we just we're gonna try. We're

665
00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:20,920
Speaker 2: gonna squeeze our vengers a little bit more and try

666
00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:22,800
Speaker 2: to get more money and more meals out there and

667
00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:25,240
Speaker 2: more donations. Hopefully you consider it the nation of the

668
00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:28,040
Speaker 2: free Star Food Bank, because they do great work in

669
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:30,640
Speaker 2: like twenty counties in our area. But that's not going

670
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:32,080
Speaker 2: to be enough to fill the void here. It is

671
00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:36,720
Speaker 2: simply is not going to And you know it has

672
00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:38,720
Speaker 2: to do with up politics and Dranaline I get it.

673
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:40,960
Speaker 2: You know the ACA is jacked up. Should we be

674
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:43,440
Speaker 2: using subsidy to pay for healthcare benefits? No, it just

675
00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:45,560
Speaker 2: makes it more expensive. But then have an alternative, have

676
00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:48,360
Speaker 2: a plan. And there's the problem. We shut down government

677
00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:51,120
Speaker 2: and we don't have a plan for fixing why we're

678
00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:54,520
Speaker 2: shutting government down in the first place. So it seems

679
00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:56,240
Speaker 2: to me like you'd want to get back in there

680
00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:58,680
Speaker 2: and actually work the problems instead of pointing the finger

681
00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:00,560
Speaker 2: at the other guy saying it's his fault or her fault,

682
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:03,280
Speaker 2: and actually work for the American people, which is the

683
00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:04,920
Speaker 2: problem I have with politics, and a lot of people do.

684
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:08,240
Speaker 2: It's exhausting and it's painful for a lot of folks,

685
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:09,920
Speaker 2: for sure. There's just no way around it. You can

686
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:12,560
Speaker 2: talk about who's getting snapped benefits and the legal aliens,

687
00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:14,680
Speaker 2: and that's all well and good, but the bulk of

688
00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:18,360
Speaker 2: people that are getting those benefits are senior citizens. A

689
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:20,520
Speaker 2: number of them are veterans, but a lot of them

690
00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:22,800
Speaker 2: are working families where you're working two or more jobs

691
00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:26,400
Speaker 2: and you need that assistance to get by. That's the

692
00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:28,720
Speaker 2: reality of it. So I don't know how this fixes it.

693
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:31,080
Speaker 2: But you can say they shouldn't be getting it, or

694
00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:33,240
Speaker 2: this person should be getting it. That's all well and good.

695
00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:35,000
Speaker 2: That's the system that's set up, and if you don't

696
00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:37,200
Speaker 2: like it, then change the damn system. Do you do

697
00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:39,440
Speaker 2: that by not getting together in meeting? And the answer

698
00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:43,200
Speaker 2: is new It is not five new arrests now made

699
00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:47,320
Speaker 2: in connection with a louver heist. We've got enough going on.

700
00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:49,240
Speaker 2: Had to pay attention without worrying about Paris. But I

701
00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:51,600
Speaker 2: think it's just just a fascinating things. They continue to

702
00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:54,000
Speaker 2: make more and more investigations and by the way, still

703
00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:56,880
Speaker 2: no sign of what they stole. I don't know. I'm

704
00:32:56,920 --> 00:32:59,239
Speaker 2: Italian enough to go. They melt that stuff down, they

705
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:01,720
Speaker 2: whacked up those rocks, and they're they're all around the

706
00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:03,840
Speaker 2: world right now. I want to think that's the case,

707
00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:06,360
Speaker 2: Like that's why they stole the jewels in the first place.

708
00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:09,320
Speaker 2: Instead of artwork. You don't steal the Bona Lisa, you

709
00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:11,440
Speaker 2: steal the crown jewels and it's ye know, once you

710
00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:15,000
Speaker 2: start breaking those up, Yeah, you know they're worth what

711
00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:17,240
Speaker 2: one hundred and two million dollars with the eight jeels

712
00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:19,160
Speaker 2: as they stole, they ate I guess settings whatever you

713
00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:22,600
Speaker 2: call them things different pieces that they stole, I guess yeah,

714
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:24,200
Speaker 2: they're gonna be but they're still gonna be worth millions

715
00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:28,200
Speaker 2: of dollars because you're talking about rare gemstones. And now

716
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:32,120
Speaker 2: they have five people so and now the place are saying, uh,

717
00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:35,560
Speaker 2: it may not be an inside job after all, which

718
00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:37,160
Speaker 2: I think is interesting. It seemed like it would be

719
00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:39,320
Speaker 2: an inside job. The cameras are turned the wrong way

720
00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:40,719
Speaker 2: and a whole bunch of stuff. You know, you got

721
00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:42,960
Speaker 2: ladders up against the wall. If somebody didn't know something

722
00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:45,360
Speaker 2: on the inside there, we'll find out. But five more

723
00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:48,040
Speaker 2: rests of this ring. It's certainly as fascinating, that's for sure.

724
00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:48,560
Speaker 6: All right.

725
00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:50,480
Speaker 2: We got weather it's going to rain at least for

726
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:51,880
Speaker 2: the next few hours here, and then we drive for

727
00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:55,360
Speaker 2: the kiddos on Halloween tomorrow. And got the time change

728
00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:57,040
Speaker 2: happening this weekend and so much more so, it's an

729
00:33:57,040 --> 00:33:59,400
Speaker 2: election coming up on Tuesday. Liz Keating is looking for

730
00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:02,520
Speaker 2: your vote. And she examined she having been on council.

731
00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:04,960
Speaker 2: I guess she's a great person, asked this question. It's

732
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:06,720
Speaker 2: not about, you know, having her on to promote her

733
00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:09,240
Speaker 2: agenda what she wants to do, which I think is refreshing.

734
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:12,239
Speaker 2: But this is more about why isn't council pushing back

735
00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:17,239
Speaker 2: on the mayor and the city manager? Why maybe some

736
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:19,200
Speaker 2: answer for us? Next Scottsland show on the Home of

737
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:21,560
Speaker 2: the Best Bengals coverage seven hundred WWT since.

738
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Speaker 4: Then you want to be an American?

739
00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:28,080
Speaker 2: On Thursday morning here seven hundred w Good news is

740
00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:30,880
Speaker 2: we dry up this afternoon. We dry up this afternoon

741
00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:33,200
Speaker 2: and looks good for trick or treaters tomorrow, right, so

742
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:34,680
Speaker 2: we care about weekend looks good.

743
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Speaker 3: Uh.

744
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:40,000
Speaker 2: So yesterday the steady drip and it is literally a

745
00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:42,440
Speaker 2: soap opera. Down at City Hall. A couple dozen families

746
00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:45,600
Speaker 2: and friends of Chief Terry Thiji showed up to council

747
00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:48,360
Speaker 2: wearing I stand with Police Chief Thigi t shirts and

748
00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:51,240
Speaker 2: uh they pretty much read after a pure vaal sherlong

749
00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:54,360
Speaker 2: and council the riot Act. So you had family members

750
00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:57,760
Speaker 2: there and obviously they love and care about Terry Thiji

751
00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:00,040
Speaker 2: and demand that she get a fair hearing and and

752
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:02,560
Speaker 2: the city. And the hard part about this is like

753
00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:05,840
Speaker 2: very few people, I say, Seth Walsh, I had councilperson

754
00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:09,640
Speaker 2: and Albion yesterday and she was demure about but you

755
00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:12,279
Speaker 2: know she's still commented on it. But by and large

756
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:15,400
Speaker 2: it's been really really quiet down there. Family members slammed

757
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:18,399
Speaker 2: the investigation now, calling into her leadership in the question

758
00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:20,600
Speaker 2: and after the fact that it's political and secretive, and

759
00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:23,600
Speaker 2: they're right about that. But the soap opera continues down

760
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:25,840
Speaker 2: at City Hall, and one wonders what happens on Tuesday

761
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:28,399
Speaker 2: on election day. Liz Keating is a former council member.

762
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:31,000
Speaker 2: She's running yet again, and she has been hitting the

763
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:33,800
Speaker 2: streets pretty hard. I keep seeing all her campaign I

764
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:36,839
Speaker 2: think Liz keating by the way, Liz welcome. I see

765
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:39,640
Speaker 2: a lot of your ads, and you're spending a lot

766
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:41,359
Speaker 2: when it comes to getting the message out.

767
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:44,960
Speaker 7: We are working our tails off. We want to get

768
00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:47,920
Speaker 7: back there and get things back in order in Cincinnati,

769
00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:51,520
Speaker 7: so we are doing everything we can to get back.

770
00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:53,719
Speaker 7: I love this city too much to see it the

771
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:54,719
Speaker 7: way it is right now.

772
00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:56,879
Speaker 2: You're out campaigning here on the street. What are people saying.

773
00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:01,400
Speaker 7: Everybody is talking about crime, literally every neighborhood does. No

774
00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:04,120
Speaker 7: matter what neighborhood we are in, people are concerned about

775
00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:07,520
Speaker 7: the crime. They are concerned about basic services and getting

776
00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:10,200
Speaker 7: no response from city hall. And honestly, that's why we're

777
00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:13,399
Speaker 7: running crime and the causes of crime, and get back

778
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:16,080
Speaker 7: to being able to actually plow snow when it snows,

779
00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:19,040
Speaker 7: and pay the roads and fill the potholes, and get

780
00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:21,360
Speaker 7: rid of the litter and take care of city property

781
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:24,239
Speaker 7: so it's not overgrown and full of graffiti, which are

782
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:26,920
Speaker 7: all things that again attract crimes. You know, just do

783
00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:29,560
Speaker 7: the basics, the fundamentals of local government.

784
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:32,080
Speaker 2: I noticed that not too long ago a few weeks

785
00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:34,040
Speaker 2: ago there was a summit where they had a contest

786
00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:36,040
Speaker 2: to come up with unique ways to let people know

787
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:38,680
Speaker 2: that the potholes have been filled on. It's just another one.

788
00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:41,160
Speaker 2: It's like, the pothole problem has been going on for

789
00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:43,920
Speaker 2: a long time, and it's literally decades of neglect, right

790
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:46,440
Speaker 2: and we're taking money from the sale of the railroad

791
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:48,200
Speaker 2: and that's going to go in the streets and paying

792
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:51,680
Speaker 2: over potholes. But right up in like ninety days before

793
00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:54,880
Speaker 2: the election, all of a sudden, they went gangbusters on

794
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:56,640
Speaker 2: fixing potholes. Do you think that's a coincidence.

795
00:36:58,000 --> 00:36:59,879
Speaker 7: I don't think it's a coincidence. But if you look

796
00:36:59,880 --> 00:37:02,920
Speaker 7: at a long term, even the money from the railroad,

797
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:05,200
Speaker 7: the city has not been able to deploy that money

798
00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:07,719
Speaker 7: very quickly to pave the roads. If you have all

799
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:09,759
Speaker 7: this money coming in, you need to be prepared. You

800
00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:11,520
Speaker 7: need to be able to get the RFPs out, you

801
00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:13,680
Speaker 7: need to be able to get the contract signed, and

802
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:15,680
Speaker 7: you need to get the workers on the roads. I mean,

803
00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:18,880
Speaker 7: these are tons of jobs which again one get paychecks

804
00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:21,319
Speaker 7: going home to families to support more families, So that's

805
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:23,759
Speaker 7: tax revenue right back to the city. And these are

806
00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:26,520
Speaker 7: fundamentals that they cannot get right right now, and there's

807
00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:30,400
Speaker 7: no conversation from Council like where are these special meetings

808
00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:32,720
Speaker 7: being held? Where are the questions? Where are you holding

809
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:36,600
Speaker 7: the administration accountable? Say, why aren't these dollars getting deployed

810
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:39,080
Speaker 7: and we've got to hold up and getting these contracts together?

811
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:42,520
Speaker 7: Then what changes do we need to make legislatively? You're

812
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:46,560
Speaker 7: just not seeing Council act on these fundamentals. They're just

813
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:49,000
Speaker 7: not doing their job, and I'm beyond frustrated by it.

814
00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:52,160
Speaker 2: It is telling that so few people are speaking out

815
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:55,719
Speaker 2: and questioning the administration how they handle the cig thing.

816
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:57,560
Speaker 2: And it's not just that it's you know, there's no

817
00:37:57,680 --> 00:37:59,759
Speaker 2: crime plan. Don't have a crime plan for sure. I

818
00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:03,600
Speaker 2: think it's too little. It's not aggressive enough that you're

819
00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:05,799
Speaker 2: looking at outliers and not the root cause of this thing.

820
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:07,719
Speaker 2: I mean, when you go after food trucks instead of

821
00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:12,000
Speaker 2: the criminals, it can continue to ruin our city. That's telling.

822
00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:14,400
Speaker 2: You're punishing good business owners and people that just simply

823
00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:16,960
Speaker 2: want to taco at two o'clock in the morning. Yeah,

824
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:18,600
Speaker 2: you're gonna get a bad element that might show up

825
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:20,600
Speaker 2: and do that, But it's your job to separate the

826
00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:22,520
Speaker 2: bad element from the good element. You know, if I

827
00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:24,000
Speaker 2: go to a club, or I go to a bar,

828
00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:25,400
Speaker 2: or I got a concert, whatever it is, and I

829
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:27,400
Speaker 2: get out and go damn, I'm hungry. Hey there's a

830
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:30,719
Speaker 2: food truck, it's midnight or whatever. I'm gonna get a

831
00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:33,280
Speaker 2: cony dog, I'm gonna get a slice of pizza, a burger,

832
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:35,600
Speaker 2: whatever the hell it is, and go home, go to bed,

833
00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:39,359
Speaker 2: fat and happy and entertain Now they're going to take

834
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:41,640
Speaker 2: that away from the good people all because it's a

835
00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:44,520
Speaker 2: very small percentage of people causing all this nonsense. That's

836
00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:46,279
Speaker 2: what I'm talking about. It it's the lack of a

837
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:49,040
Speaker 2: it's not leaning into the resources of the state because

838
00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:51,920
Speaker 2: the optics that makes it look bad. If crime is

839
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:53,960
Speaker 2: a problem, you stamp it out. You send a message

840
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:55,840
Speaker 2: we're not going to tolerate this. But the more that

841
00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:59,200
Speaker 2: the him and Hauw live keeping, the worst crime gets

842
00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:02,560
Speaker 2: because all you're doing is enabling that percentage of criminals

843
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:04,960
Speaker 2: who are looking to take opportunities to the to the

844
00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:07,040
Speaker 2: to the extreme, and we're seeing that constantly.

845
00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:13,319
Speaker 7: Now you cannot go after small businesses because you've got

846
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:17,800
Speaker 7: a crime problem. You've got to tackle the root causes

847
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:20,200
Speaker 7: of it. You've got to be tough on the actual crime.

848
00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:23,000
Speaker 7: You've got to support the police officers and the chief

849
00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:26,280
Speaker 7: and give them room to actually activate. They are the experts,

850
00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:28,319
Speaker 7: this is their profession. You've got to give them room.

851
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:31,359
Speaker 7: You can't politicize the police department. You can't shut down

852
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:34,120
Speaker 7: small businesses because you've got a problem. You got to

853
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:37,359
Speaker 7: figure out what the real problems are and take care

854
00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:40,359
Speaker 7: of that. Go after the criminals. And again, if we're

855
00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:43,200
Speaker 7: sending a signal thing we are not open for business

856
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:46,120
Speaker 7: for your small businesses, for these mom and pops, it's

857
00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:48,560
Speaker 7: saying that we don't want paychecks going home to families,

858
00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:51,080
Speaker 7: We don't want to support small families. It is just

859
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:54,600
Speaker 7: absolutely absurd. And you're not seeing counsel go after this

860
00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:57,160
Speaker 7: in the right way. It took them meek to start

861
00:39:57,200 --> 00:40:00,480
Speaker 7: asking questions when they started getting political pressure to do so.

862
00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:03,560
Speaker 7: You need to enact right away. It is not that

863
00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:06,279
Speaker 7: hard to ask these questions and committee and you don't

864
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:09,680
Speaker 7: have to burn the place down. You can hold administration

865
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:13,520
Speaker 7: accountable and have a productive debate and get things moving

866
00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:15,640
Speaker 7: in the right direction. And you're not seeing that you're

867
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:18,480
Speaker 7: constantly seeing no comment, no comment, no comment, no comment.

868
00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:21,520
Speaker 2: Why is that? Why are work quest councils so afraid

869
00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:23,600
Speaker 2: to point the dirty end of the stick and afttab

870
00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:24,240
Speaker 2: and sure along.

871
00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:27,879
Speaker 7: I think it's because we've got an election right now,

872
00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:31,920
Speaker 7: and that's part of the problem. I want elected officials

873
00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:34,919
Speaker 7: who are willing to face the facts and then start

874
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:38,000
Speaker 7: tackling the problems. And right now, no one wants to

875
00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:40,400
Speaker 7: talk about the fact. No one wants to talk about

876
00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:42,920
Speaker 7: the problems because they're up for election. When you're in

877
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:45,400
Speaker 7: an incumbent and things aren't going well, it's a problem.

878
00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:48,799
Speaker 7: But we need elected officials at city Hall who are

879
00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:51,360
Speaker 7: willing to face those facts and get right down to

880
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:54,279
Speaker 7: business to fix them. You have to be relentless in

881
00:40:54,640 --> 00:40:57,439
Speaker 7: solving problems all the time. You have to be willing

882
00:40:57,560 --> 00:40:59,320
Speaker 7: to accept the fact that things aren't going to go

883
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:02,000
Speaker 7: right because it's never going to be perfect. We do

884
00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:04,279
Speaker 7: not live in a world where we are where things

885
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:07,320
Speaker 7: are perfect. You have to have leaders who are willing

886
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:09,520
Speaker 7: to fight and continue to solve those problems.

887
00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:10,279
Speaker 2: What are they afraid of?

888
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:15,040
Speaker 7: It's politics. It's politics. They don't want to look bad,

889
00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:17,480
Speaker 7: they don't want to be challenging anybody they're afraid to

890
00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:19,440
Speaker 7: pick their nose out on stuff, and.

891
00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:20,880
Speaker 4: That get you elected.

892
00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:23,160
Speaker 2: You if I mean, I've kind of been that guy

893
00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:25,399
Speaker 2: in my whole life. If you stand up for what's

894
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:27,160
Speaker 2: right and you have values, to go, Listen, we're not

895
00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:30,400
Speaker 2: going to tolerate this, this secrecy, this incompetence. We're not

896
00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:34,200
Speaker 2: going to tolerate the indecision. We want answers. I thought, yes,

897
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:36,640
Speaker 2: counsel this week, they did a great job poking the

898
00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:38,920
Speaker 2: bear when it came to the food truck thing, saying well,

899
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:42,880
Speaker 2: this is stupid. There's no evidence that this is encouraging crime,

900
00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:45,480
Speaker 2: and they really push back on it. Why can't you

901
00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:48,719
Speaker 2: do that when with Chief Thiji or crime or whatever

902
00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:50,799
Speaker 2: it is. I just I don't know. It's politics. Yeah,

903
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:53,440
Speaker 2: but how does that cost you anything? By doing what

904
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:55,240
Speaker 2: people sent you to city.

905
00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:55,480
Speaker 6: Hall to do?

906
00:41:57,239 --> 00:41:59,719
Speaker 7: It doesn't cost you anything, no what you're supposed to do.

907
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:01,960
Speaker 7: But I mean, it took weeks to hear from them

908
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:05,239
Speaker 7: on food trucks. This food trucks were shut down. Administration

909
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:07,880
Speaker 7: made that what was it like a month ago, And

910
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:10,120
Speaker 7: it took this long and this many news stories and

911
00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:12,960
Speaker 7: this much political pressure to actually get something out of it.

912
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:16,279
Speaker 7: I mean, it's insane. This is not how we need

913
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:18,839
Speaker 7: to be operating as a city. We need much better

914
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:21,279
Speaker 7: leadership down there, and we need people who are not

915
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:24,880
Speaker 7: afraid to ask the tough questions and hold an administration accountable.

916
00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:26,960
Speaker 7: And that's what they did before, and that's what I

917
00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:28,200
Speaker 7: want to go back and do again.

918
00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:34,680
Speaker 2: Liz keating on that the accountability thing strikes me that I,

919
00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:36,640
Speaker 2: as a citizen, someone to pays attention to this stuff,

920
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:39,759
Speaker 2: and I can't imagine how citizen feels. You've almost got

921
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:44,160
Speaker 2: You've got these enemies, You've got AFTAB, peer Vault, you've

922
00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:45,960
Speaker 2: got share Along, the city manager, and you got counsul.

923
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:48,560
Speaker 2: No one knows who reports to, who who is responsible.

924
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:50,680
Speaker 2: There's all sorts of cover, there's excuse making, there's no

925
00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:53,520
Speaker 2: accountability because AFTAB goes. Well the chief got fired. Now

926
00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:55,920
Speaker 2: that was share Along and sure Along. Well, you know,

927
00:42:56,440 --> 00:42:58,280
Speaker 2: I don't have a comment because it's a personnel issue.

928
00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:00,120
Speaker 2: Well what about console don't they have it? Well, we

929
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:02,279
Speaker 2: don't because it's the mayor. Well, the mayor says, it's

930
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:05,200
Speaker 2: a city manager. The city manager says, it's council. Council

931
00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:07,600
Speaker 2: says it's a city manager who then points the finger

932
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:10,640
Speaker 2: at city council and the mayor's who's run.

933
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:10,960
Speaker 4: Of the show.

934
00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:16,280
Speaker 7: You know what, Council votes on city dollars, They vote

935
00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:19,000
Speaker 7: on the spending, they appropriate the money. It takes two

936
00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:21,920
Speaker 7: members of council to call a special session. They easily

937
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:23,880
Speaker 7: could have called a special session and say, hey, we

938
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:25,960
Speaker 7: are not going to pay for the switch hunt. We

939
00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:28,720
Speaker 7: are not going to make taxpayers face spend fifty thousand

940
00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:31,359
Speaker 7: dollars to hire an outside firm to investigate to try

941
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:34,320
Speaker 7: to find a reason to fire somebody after you've already

942
00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:36,680
Speaker 7: asked them to resign, after you've tried to start this.

943
00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:39,840
Speaker 7: Council can step in and do this because they have

944
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:41,920
Speaker 7: the power to do so, and they have done nothing.

945
00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:44,759
Speaker 7: They have done absolutely nothing, and so many of them

946
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:48,080
Speaker 7: for the first week or two we're constantly saying no comment,

947
00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:50,600
Speaker 7: no comment, no comment, and again like just exactly what

948
00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:54,399
Speaker 7: you're saying, pointing fingers. This is council's responsibility. Council's job.

949
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:57,040
Speaker 7: They are in charge of spending, they vote on the spending.

950
00:43:57,120 --> 00:43:59,880
Speaker 7: They can shut this down immediately, and they haven't.

951
00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:02,400
Speaker 2: Former council member Liz Keating, who's runningyet again, one of

952
00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:04,880
Speaker 2: the twenty six that seek your vote on Tuesday or

953
00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:07,799
Speaker 2: perhaps earlier here too. And we definitely need some new

954
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:09,920
Speaker 2: blood in city council. There's no question somebody's going to

955
00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:13,360
Speaker 2: hold folks accountable rather than just you know. I illustrated

956
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:16,440
Speaker 2: this before last weekend. Last two weekends ago, we had

957
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:19,200
Speaker 2: the No King's rally. It's all about Donald Trump, a

958
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:22,120
Speaker 2: bunch of people with different grievances. And granted, Trump brings

959
00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:25,160
Speaker 2: out grievances and people, for sure, even Republicans totally understand

960
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:27,840
Speaker 2: that that's part of his nature. Maybe also part of

961
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:31,040
Speaker 2: his attraction. I'm not quite sure. But all these aggrieved

962
00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:33,160
Speaker 2: people showing up with different causes and the one thing

963
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:35,239
Speaker 2: in common is Donald Trump. But no kings. He's a king.

964
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:37,600
Speaker 2: He's a king. I don't know, when you talk about cronyism,

965
00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:39,680
Speaker 2: when you talk about no accountability, when you talk about

966
00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:42,880
Speaker 2: ignoring problems and focusing other things, how many of those

967
00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:44,400
Speaker 2: people are going to turn around and vote for the

968
00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:47,040
Speaker 2: exact same thing they protested against two weeks ago in

969
00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:49,520
Speaker 2: after pierreval I hope not.

970
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:53,880
Speaker 7: I hope people do not continue to vote all one ticket,

971
00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:56,960
Speaker 7: all one party. You've got will they will candidate. You

972
00:44:57,080 --> 00:44:59,600
Speaker 7: have to, you have to look at it. If people

973
00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:02,239
Speaker 7: want to same thing that they've gotten, then go for it.

974
00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:05,800
Speaker 7: But I think Cincinnati deserves so much better. They deserve

975
00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:07,960
Speaker 7: so much better. And that's why I'm running because I

976
00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:10,719
Speaker 7: am sick and tired of seeing what's going on down there,

977
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:12,920
Speaker 7: and I think Cincinnati deserves better. And I'm going to

978
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:16,680
Speaker 7: go back and fight and actually do the job that

979
00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:19,560
Speaker 7: I was elected to do before. And I plan on

980
00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:21,919
Speaker 7: being elected again and go back and do that again.

981
00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:24,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think you know, back to know there's

982
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:26,880
Speaker 2: there's no plan, and it is a plan, but it's feckless.

983
00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:29,359
Speaker 2: The plan it doesn't have enough tooth. The plan doesn't

984
00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:30,879
Speaker 2: have enough bite. You don't want to execute. You don't

985
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:33,000
Speaker 2: want to you're afraid you're gonna upset people like maybe

986
00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:36,719
Speaker 2: Iris Rawley that I don't understand. But I think even

987
00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:38,600
Speaker 2: bigger than that, and the real issue I have, and

988
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:41,239
Speaker 2: if I were to maybe articulate a little bit better

989
00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:43,839
Speaker 2: when it comes to you know, sure along and after

990
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:46,000
Speaker 2: that Periodal and Council and everyone's pointing the finger at

991
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:49,080
Speaker 2: everybody else is the lack of communication from the administration.

992
00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:51,640
Speaker 2: I mean, let's go back. We were talking about potholes,

993
00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:53,280
Speaker 2: but what about snowfall?

994
00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:53,560
Speaker 3: Right?

995
00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:56,960
Speaker 2: How many streets weren't plowed? And that took weeks later

996
00:45:57,080 --> 00:45:58,960
Speaker 2: or finally they'd admitted we're not going to plow every

997
00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:01,520
Speaker 2: street in Cincinnati. Hold up just a second. I pay

998
00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:05,800
Speaker 2: property taxes. I'm paying my taxes. Those taxes fund snow removal.

999
00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:08,040
Speaker 2: Now you're telling me I don't get an essential city

1000
00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:10,640
Speaker 2: service because you decided to do something else with the money.

1001
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:15,120
Speaker 2: Makes no sense whatsoever. That's Malfeason's big mac Bridge fire.

1002
00:46:15,239 --> 00:46:17,920
Speaker 2: That thing happened. We had traffic gridlocked downtown for a

1003
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:20,960
Speaker 2: couple of weeks before council and the mayor even acknowledged

1004
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:22,719
Speaker 2: that we had that problem in the first place. I

1005
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:25,320
Speaker 2: don't expect the city streets to be fine after you

1006
00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:28,200
Speaker 2: close one a major bridge, a major thoroughfare, But there

1007
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:31,000
Speaker 2: was no communication on that. People were one Achille. I'm

1008
00:46:31,080 --> 00:46:34,080
Speaker 2: surprised we don't have a fatal road rage incident over that.

1009
00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:36,560
Speaker 2: Get some cops, get some people down, Get I don't

1010
00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:39,200
Speaker 2: get pull some ambassador of the Fountain Square had people

1011
00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:41,880
Speaker 2: direct traffic during rush How they didn't do that. The

1012
00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:45,399
Speaker 2: Patrick Herringer thing as another fumble Summer Slam where we've

1013
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:48,880
Speaker 2: got a beatdown going viral across the world in downtown Cincinnati,

1014
00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:51,799
Speaker 2: and the mayor decides to go on vacation the day

1015
00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:54,040
Speaker 2: after this thing goes viral and then not be around

1016
00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:55,919
Speaker 2: and then just have the city manager and the chief

1017
00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:58,920
Speaker 2: talk about it. Then the chief thiji incident. It's a

1018
00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:02,520
Speaker 2: steady pattern of incompetence due to a lack of communication.

1019
00:47:02,719 --> 00:47:05,359
Speaker 2: That's the problem. Nobody knows what's going on down there,

1020
00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:08,880
Speaker 2: and when they respond to something, either they don't respond

1021
00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:11,000
Speaker 2: and simply ignore it because it doesn't make them look good,

1022
00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:14,120
Speaker 2: or they wait too damn long to have response to it.

1023
00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:16,400
Speaker 2: That's a fair criticism of AFTAB and sure.

1024
00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:20,239
Speaker 7: Along and city Council and city council. You are not

1025
00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:23,239
Speaker 7: hearing from council members. Their job is constituent affairs. They

1026
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:25,839
Speaker 7: should be responding to the community when people are reaching out.

1027
00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:28,439
Speaker 7: You talked about this now storm. I had schools reach

1028
00:47:28,520 --> 00:47:31,640
Speaker 7: out because the streets haven't been plouned in schools can't

1029
00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:33,680
Speaker 7: open to get the kids back in school for days,

1030
00:47:33,719 --> 00:47:36,000
Speaker 7: and they heard nothing back from city Hall. We heard

1031
00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:39,120
Speaker 7: from residents. They came back and said there were over

1032
00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:42,920
Speaker 7: six hundred streets that hadn't even been touched. Six hundred streets,

1033
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:44,719
Speaker 7: and the city has been said it hadn't even been touched,

1034
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:46,640
Speaker 7: and no one knew, and no one at city Hall

1035
00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:49,480
Speaker 7: was calling these residents back when they're asking when they're

1036
00:47:49,560 --> 00:47:52,160
Speaker 7: finally going to get their streets cleared. There are so

1037
00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:55,600
Speaker 7: many incidents where residents are calling their council members, reaching

1038
00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:57,719
Speaker 7: out to their council members to get help, whether it's

1039
00:47:57,800 --> 00:48:00,960
Speaker 7: trash pick up, or there's litter everywhere, there's illegal jumping.

1040
00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:03,759
Speaker 7: They need their streets close that they can get back

1041
00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:06,840
Speaker 7: to work, and no one calls them back. And that's

1042
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:09,200
Speaker 7: so for the last nearly two years, since I have

1043
00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:12,320
Speaker 7: been just a regular citizen, I am still fielding calls

1044
00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:15,400
Speaker 7: from resident because they are trying to get help because

1045
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:18,360
Speaker 7: our elected officials and city council is they are not

1046
00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:20,440
Speaker 7: doing their job and solving the proms that they were

1047
00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:23,400
Speaker 7: elected to solve, and so it takes a resident. And

1048
00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:25,480
Speaker 7: that's why I'm getting back in this because you've got

1049
00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:28,040
Speaker 7: to go back. You have to be responsive to the community,

1050
00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:29,880
Speaker 7: you have to be able to take care of these

1051
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:32,160
Speaker 7: basic services. And if we are not taking care of

1052
00:48:32,239 --> 00:48:34,560
Speaker 7: the basics, we are going to fail at the big things,

1053
00:48:34,600 --> 00:48:37,160
Speaker 7: which we have seen when it comes to crime and

1054
00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:40,920
Speaker 7: tackling crime and the way that we've handled these massive stories.

1055
00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:43,360
Speaker 7: Whereas a lot of people are freaked out and a

1056
00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:45,960
Speaker 7: lot of things are going on, things crumble. If you

1057
00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:48,279
Speaker 7: can't take care of the basics, if you can't fill

1058
00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:51,040
Speaker 7: that foundation, you're going to have a big problem later

1059
00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:53,200
Speaker 7: and we've seen that play out lost. You have to

1060
00:48:53,239 --> 00:48:55,840
Speaker 7: have council members or responses lis Keating.

1061
00:48:55,880 --> 00:48:58,800
Speaker 2: As you mentioned, you know, council essentially controls the purse strings.

1062
00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:00,799
Speaker 2: They legislate, they make work to make laws and all

1063
00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:03,160
Speaker 2: that stuff. Does there need to be some clarity and

1064
00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:05,239
Speaker 2: what the city manager does and what the mayor does

1065
00:49:05,360 --> 00:49:07,600
Speaker 2: because as a taxpayer, if I'm a taxpayer, I have

1066
00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:09,799
Speaker 2: no idea how that works. I think most people don't

1067
00:49:09,840 --> 00:49:11,800
Speaker 2: really follow the intricacies of it. But there's also a

1068
00:49:11,880 --> 00:49:13,799
Speaker 2: problem there if you have a strong mayor and you've

1069
00:49:13,840 --> 00:49:15,960
Speaker 2: got star council and you've got a city manager involved,

1070
00:49:16,360 --> 00:49:20,480
Speaker 2: it seems like everyone there's built in cover for incompetency

1071
00:49:20,840 --> 00:49:22,840
Speaker 2: and mistakes. Is that like, well, I can point the

1072
00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:24,719
Speaker 2: finger at the city manager or I can Hey, you

1073
00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:26,040
Speaker 2: know what I'm gonna pull the pin out of the

1074
00:49:26,080 --> 00:49:28,400
Speaker 2: grenade and fire the chief. Even though the chief is

1075
00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:30,640
Speaker 2: the one taking the orders from the mayor and the

1076
00:49:30,680 --> 00:49:33,840
Speaker 2: city manager city, she doesn't dictate what the policy, what

1077
00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:35,680
Speaker 2: the focus is. When she got hired, I bring this

1078
00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:39,839
Speaker 2: up because it's documented. She said, listen the big issue here,

1079
00:49:40,040 --> 00:49:42,080
Speaker 2: and I talked to people by the interview with Iris Rawley,

1080
00:49:42,120 --> 00:49:44,799
Speaker 2: for example, and keep the collaborative agreement going. Okay, that's good,

1081
00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:48,360
Speaker 2: but I think we've taken such kid gloves hands towards

1082
00:49:48,440 --> 00:49:51,800
Speaker 2: criminals and treat them like victims when we victimize the

1083
00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:55,240
Speaker 2: victims even more if that kind of makes sense. In fact,

1084
00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:57,600
Speaker 2: that Terry TJ now is just falling on the sword

1085
00:49:57,680 --> 00:50:00,319
Speaker 2: because of what we talked about. I think there's got

1086
00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:03,040
Speaker 2: to be I know it's a city charter issue. I

1087
00:50:03,080 --> 00:50:05,440
Speaker 2: know it's deeper than just this conversation, but damn it,

1088
00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:08,840
Speaker 2: you've got you've got too many people who are allegedly

1089
00:50:08,920 --> 00:50:11,320
Speaker 2: making decisions. Do we need a city manager for the

1090
00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:14,319
Speaker 2: mayor and what roles we made? Need to carve those

1091
00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:16,480
Speaker 2: roles out a little bit more simply to avoid things

1092
00:50:16,560 --> 00:50:18,279
Speaker 2: like this where we know what you're in charge of,

1093
00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:20,520
Speaker 2: what you're going to do. I'm sorry, the no common

1094
00:50:20,600 --> 00:50:23,120
Speaker 2: thing is wearing thin for a lot of people, myself included.

1095
00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:26,400
Speaker 7: I couldn't agree more. But this is where you have

1096
00:50:26,600 --> 00:50:30,520
Speaker 7: to have elected officials on SINCII city councils that know

1097
00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:33,560
Speaker 7: their role. Right now, we are seeing council members who

1098
00:50:33,600 --> 00:50:36,319
Speaker 7: are not asking in their role. They are they are

1099
00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:38,920
Speaker 7: just they're saying, no comment, It's okay, it's not our job.

1100
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:41,560
Speaker 7: It's or is that problem? That problem? That problem city

1101
00:50:41,600 --> 00:50:43,600
Speaker 7: councils is. You've got to think of them as the board.

1102
00:50:43,680 --> 00:50:46,160
Speaker 7: They do control the first strings. They can shut down

1103
00:50:46,239 --> 00:50:49,480
Speaker 7: spending on things anytime, they can pass legislation. They can

1104
00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:52,200
Speaker 7: put in motions to guide administration in a different direction.

1105
00:50:52,239 --> 00:50:55,120
Speaker 7: If they're not happy with it, they can call special

1106
00:50:55,200 --> 00:51:00,200
Speaker 7: meetings and actually ask questions. Ask questions of administration at

1107
00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:03,520
Speaker 7: least lets the public better understand what's going on. Their

1108
00:51:03,680 --> 00:51:07,360
Speaker 7: job is to hold administration accountable. Their job is to

1109
00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:10,560
Speaker 7: make sure that the tax dollars are being spent in

1110
00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:13,640
Speaker 7: smart and efficient ways. They are in charge of making

1111
00:51:13,680 --> 00:51:16,880
Speaker 7: sure that government is running smoothly, and you're not seeing

1112
00:51:16,920 --> 00:51:19,320
Speaker 7: that at all. And that's why it's important to have

1113
00:51:19,719 --> 00:51:22,200
Speaker 7: experience down there and people who are willing to do

1114
00:51:22,360 --> 00:51:24,640
Speaker 7: the full job that they were elected to do.

1115
00:51:25,040 --> 00:51:28,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, totally understandable. And I know a number of member

1116
00:51:28,160 --> 00:51:30,279
Speaker 2: of councils. A number of people come on the show

1117
00:51:30,360 --> 00:51:32,200
Speaker 2: quite frequently on a regular basis, and I hate to

1118
00:51:32,239 --> 00:51:35,000
Speaker 2: see good people and I think they're good wind up

1119
00:51:35,040 --> 00:51:38,000
Speaker 2: losing their job over But there's got I would think Tuesday,

1120
00:51:38,040 --> 00:51:40,200
Speaker 2: there's going to be a political price to pay. It's

1121
00:51:40,239 --> 00:51:41,560
Speaker 2: not going to be may or Aft to have pure

1122
00:51:41,560 --> 00:51:45,879
Speaker 2: of all. He's gonna win reelection for sure, but there's

1123
00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:47,279
Speaker 2: council people are going to be out of a seat.

1124
00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:48,960
Speaker 2: I think because of this whole thing you feel that.

1125
00:51:50,680 --> 00:51:54,520
Speaker 7: I feel that this campaign has been a completely different

1126
00:51:54,640 --> 00:51:58,280
Speaker 7: vibe than I've ever seen and heard before. People are angry,

1127
00:51:58,719 --> 00:52:00,440
Speaker 7: and that's not the kind of city that I want

1128
00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:01,800
Speaker 7: to live in. I don't want to live in a

1129
00:52:01,880 --> 00:52:05,080
Speaker 7: city where people are frustrated, people aren't getting the services

1130
00:52:05,120 --> 00:52:07,560
Speaker 7: that we need. We can do so so much better,

1131
00:52:07,640 --> 00:52:09,440
Speaker 7: and that's why we're working our tails off to get

1132
00:52:09,520 --> 00:52:11,440
Speaker 7: back down there and get the city back in order.

1133
00:52:11,640 --> 00:52:14,080
Speaker 2: Well, if you don't demand accountability with your vote, you're

1134
00:52:14,080 --> 00:52:15,520
Speaker 2: going to get more of the same or worse. Because

1135
00:52:15,560 --> 00:52:17,920
Speaker 2: it's going to encourage more of the same misbehavior. That

1136
00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:20,160
Speaker 2: is what's going to happen. Look at the Terry Fiji thing.

1137
00:52:20,560 --> 00:52:23,000
Speaker 2: We're going to fire her and then hire for forty

1138
00:52:23,080 --> 00:52:25,120
Speaker 2: fifty thousand dollars a law firm to find out where

1139
00:52:25,160 --> 00:52:26,200
Speaker 2: we fired her in the first place.

1140
00:52:27,520 --> 00:52:27,920
Speaker 6: Exactly.

1141
00:52:28,040 --> 00:52:30,439
Speaker 7: I mean, do you want your tax bit, your tax

1142
00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:31,440
Speaker 7: dollars being spent that way?

1143
00:52:31,560 --> 00:52:31,879
Speaker 6: I don't.

1144
00:52:32,440 --> 00:52:32,759
Speaker 5: I don't.

1145
00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:35,520
Speaker 7: And where where is counsel asking this question? Where is

1146
00:52:35,520 --> 00:52:36,600
Speaker 7: council shutting this down?

1147
00:52:36,760 --> 00:52:37,200
Speaker 4: No, they're not.

1148
00:52:37,320 --> 00:52:40,799
Speaker 7: Where's council even talking about this in committee meetings? They're

1149
00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:43,040
Speaker 7: calling a special meeting. This is not take care of

1150
00:52:43,080 --> 00:52:45,279
Speaker 7: the taxpayer dollars. There are so many things that that

1151
00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:48,200
Speaker 7: money could go to that will be far more effective

1152
00:52:48,320 --> 00:52:52,400
Speaker 7: and positive impacts on our neighborhood then spending it on

1153
00:52:52,719 --> 00:52:54,360
Speaker 7: a witch hunt as an afterthought.

1154
00:52:54,520 --> 00:52:57,160
Speaker 2: Well, we'll find out what happens on Tuesday. I'm interested

1155
00:52:57,239 --> 00:52:59,800
Speaker 2: like anyone else. I got the popcorn to see what happens.

1156
00:52:59,840 --> 00:53:01,640
Speaker 2: I wish all the best. Liz, love talking to you,

1157
00:53:01,719 --> 00:53:04,359
Speaker 2: and I think your ideas are sound. Good luck on Tuesday, right,

1158
00:53:05,360 --> 00:53:06,239
Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you.

1159
00:53:06,360 --> 00:53:08,440
Speaker 7: Make sure you get out your vote Cincinnati, all right.

1160
00:53:08,520 --> 00:53:11,680
Speaker 2: Six thirty am Tuesday, polls open Liz Keating looking for

1161
00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:14,000
Speaker 2: your vote, among many others as well. I've been members

1162
00:53:14,040 --> 00:53:16,400
Speaker 2: of council on I kind of, you know, want to

1163
00:53:16,600 --> 00:53:19,160
Speaker 2: maybe off the record say these things, but are afraid,

1164
00:53:19,200 --> 00:53:21,960
Speaker 2: for whatever reason, to poke the bear that is aftat

1165
00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:24,960
Speaker 2: peerfall in administration on no way to carry so much juice. Look,

1166
00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:27,920
Speaker 2: everyone who makes mistakes, I understand that, but man, I

1167
00:53:28,120 --> 00:53:30,520
Speaker 2: just ran up a litany of problems just in the

1168
00:53:30,600 --> 00:53:34,600
Speaker 2: last several months, not even a year, and there's probably

1169
00:53:34,680 --> 00:53:36,719
Speaker 2: many more I'm missing as well. There's got to be

1170
00:53:36,760 --> 00:53:38,960
Speaker 2: someone sending a message saying this will not be tolerated.

1171
00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:42,640
Speaker 2: We'll find out Tuesday. Sloaney seven hundred w got going

1172
00:53:42,680 --> 00:53:44,759
Speaker 2: back on seven hundred w old. Everybody is talking about

1173
00:53:44,760 --> 00:53:47,839
Speaker 2: new and fun and exciting things and joining the show

1174
00:53:47,880 --> 00:53:50,919
Speaker 2: this morning on the Big One seven hundred wy're talking

1175
00:53:50,960 --> 00:53:54,360
Speaker 2: about fitness and health and food and all that stuff.

1176
00:53:55,000 --> 00:53:58,800
Speaker 2: And Sanjay Shavea Crimani's on the show emergency medicine physician,

1177
00:53:58,880 --> 00:54:02,759
Speaker 2: but also he's at Dine Weell Dock Health Fitness and

1178
00:54:03,080 --> 00:54:04,920
Speaker 2: medicine guy. I think then we got to come up

1179
00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:06,320
Speaker 2: with a like the brand here.

1180
00:54:06,239 --> 00:54:09,719
Speaker 8: The yeah, the problem is the brand keeps expanding more

1181
00:54:09,760 --> 00:54:11,160
Speaker 8: and more and I can't get focused.

1182
00:54:11,200 --> 00:54:13,359
Speaker 2: But that'll come in time, okay. So as an ear doc,

1183
00:54:13,400 --> 00:54:15,640
Speaker 2: before we get to the topic at hand, which is

1184
00:54:15,680 --> 00:54:18,160
Speaker 2: the flu, and people already going, no, I don't need

1185
00:54:18,200 --> 00:54:20,120
Speaker 2: to hear about it. You just hit the brakes for

1186
00:54:20,160 --> 00:54:22,239
Speaker 2: a second because you don't want the flu.

1187
00:54:22,360 --> 00:54:22,640
Speaker 4: The flu.

1188
00:54:22,719 --> 00:54:24,640
Speaker 2: Everyone's like, oh, I don't feel well, it's the it's

1189
00:54:24,719 --> 00:54:26,919
Speaker 2: now you know when you get the flu, it's a week.

1190
00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:27,319
Speaker 6: Right.

1191
00:54:27,440 --> 00:54:29,600
Speaker 2: We'll get to that just in the second. But first,

1192
00:54:29,640 --> 00:54:31,800
Speaker 2: as an e art doc, we have Halloween happening on

1193
00:54:32,239 --> 00:54:33,919
Speaker 2: tomorrow as a matter of fact, So a little trick

1194
00:54:33,960 --> 00:54:35,840
Speaker 2: or traders up. When you work a shift in the

1195
00:54:36,120 --> 00:54:39,279
Speaker 2: er in the emergency department, what do you wind up seeing?

1196
00:54:39,280 --> 00:54:39,759
Speaker 6: What do you see?

1197
00:54:39,760 --> 00:54:43,160
Speaker 8: Who presents with what? On Friday and Saturday? So it's

1198
00:54:43,360 --> 00:54:45,680
Speaker 8: it's a lot of things, as you can imagine. But

1199
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Speaker 8: I'll tell you my my funniest because this is.

1200
00:54:49,280 --> 00:54:51,000
Speaker 2: Going to avoid it's like, oh my kid, and what

1201
00:54:51,160 --> 00:54:52,840
Speaker 2: you typically see Go okay, I won't do that so

1202
00:54:52,960 --> 00:54:54,120
Speaker 2: I don't end up as a patient.

1203
00:54:54,200 --> 00:54:56,440
Speaker 8: Yeah, well, I mean I'll tell you so. And it's

1204
00:54:56,560 --> 00:54:58,960
Speaker 8: it's all razor blades and can't. And I'm just kidding.

1205
00:55:00,120 --> 00:55:02,600
Speaker 8: It's it's clearly an urban myth, right, But I've never

1206
00:55:02,680 --> 00:55:05,879
Speaker 8: seen anything like that. I've never seen like poisoning. It's

1207
00:55:06,040 --> 00:55:09,640
Speaker 8: it's stuff you wouldn't expect. So, like, the most number,

1208
00:55:10,080 --> 00:55:13,560
Speaker 8: according to a large study, was pumpkin carving accidents and

1209
00:55:13,640 --> 00:55:15,440
Speaker 8: you would never think about it, but you know that

1210
00:55:15,560 --> 00:55:17,320
Speaker 8: may not be on the night of trick or treating,

1211
00:55:17,360 --> 00:55:20,000
Speaker 8: but around it, and it tends to be the kids

1212
00:55:20,040 --> 00:55:22,120
Speaker 8: that are playing around with sharp objects and never a

1213
00:55:22,160 --> 00:55:25,680
Speaker 8: good combination. And so, uh, trick or treating is the

1214
00:55:25,800 --> 00:55:29,480
Speaker 8: second part, but it's actually pumpkin carvings the most interesting. Yeah,

1215
00:55:29,520 --> 00:55:31,239
Speaker 8: and I've seen a couple of hand injuries from that,

1216
00:55:31,360 --> 00:55:34,200
Speaker 8: but never on Halloween night itself, because people are already

1217
00:55:34,520 --> 00:55:37,840
Speaker 8: you know, done the damage. You see like fractures and

1218
00:55:38,360 --> 00:55:40,879
Speaker 8: dislocations because kids are running to get the next house.

1219
00:55:40,920 --> 00:55:43,720
Speaker 2: Trip with a sidewalk fall. Yeah, we definitely see the falls.

1220
00:55:43,760 --> 00:55:46,080
Speaker 8: And the problem is, you know, it's it's nighttime, and

1221
00:55:46,200 --> 00:55:48,359
Speaker 8: then they're wearing these costumes that might be a little

1222
00:55:48,360 --> 00:55:51,640
Speaker 8: bit long, but then they have masks or whatever covering

1223
00:55:51,680 --> 00:55:54,239
Speaker 8: their face. Their peripheral vision isn't good and so you

1224
00:55:54,320 --> 00:55:57,280
Speaker 8: do see the falls. It can get pretty nasty at times,

1225
00:55:57,360 --> 00:56:01,680
Speaker 8: but yeah, I haven't seen anything on Halloween. It ends

1226
00:56:01,760 --> 00:56:04,200
Speaker 8: up being kind of entertaining because everyone's coming in with

1227
00:56:04,280 --> 00:56:08,440
Speaker 8: their costumes on. Yeah, that's it's it's a bunch of stories.

1228
00:56:08,160 --> 00:56:11,880
Speaker 2: All right. Pumpkin carving, fall, trips, falls, occasionally, motor vehicle

1229
00:56:11,920 --> 00:56:14,800
Speaker 2: acts and probably as well adults. I'm guessing more alcohol related.

1230
00:56:15,160 --> 00:56:17,439
Speaker 8: You got it so unfortunately, and the alcohol gets behind

1231
00:56:17,480 --> 00:56:20,200
Speaker 8: the wheel sometimes and that combined with darkness and kids

1232
00:56:20,239 --> 00:56:23,680
Speaker 8: in costumes is a bad combination. So yeah, we do

1233
00:56:23,800 --> 00:56:28,600
Speaker 8: see some increase of pedestrians struck on on Halloween.

1234
00:56:28,280 --> 00:56:32,160
Speaker 2: Gotcha signed? And okay, alcohol related incidents, and I'm sure

1235
00:56:32,560 --> 00:56:36,920
Speaker 2: costume related. Any costume related self strangulation, anything like that.

1236
00:56:37,120 --> 00:56:42,719
Speaker 8: Decapitation Fortunately, no decapitation yet. No, we don't see any

1237
00:56:42,920 --> 00:56:46,759
Speaker 8: anything crazy like that. Things do happen weird things with costumes,

1238
00:56:46,800 --> 00:56:49,400
Speaker 8: but for the most part, no, Again, the costumes end

1239
00:56:49,520 --> 00:56:51,360
Speaker 8: up being kind of funny at times, especially when they

1240
00:56:51,400 --> 00:56:52,000
Speaker 8: show up in them.

1241
00:56:52,239 --> 00:56:54,279
Speaker 2: I got a guillotine costume I was walking around is

1242
00:56:54,440 --> 00:56:57,000
Speaker 2: actually you don't actually use a real guillotine for that.

1243
00:56:57,160 --> 00:56:58,279
Speaker 2: It's that's not.

1244
00:57:00,360 --> 00:57:03,040
Speaker 8: I'll tell you though, when it comes to costumes, remember

1245
00:57:03,120 --> 00:57:05,759
Speaker 8: if you're gonna get really tipsy and spending an entire

1246
00:57:05,920 --> 00:57:09,000
Speaker 8: night in the emergency department sobering up in your costume,

1247
00:57:09,120 --> 00:57:12,400
Speaker 8: remember that the Walk of Shame on November one is

1248
00:57:12,520 --> 00:57:14,680
Speaker 8: not a fun one to take in a costume.

1249
00:57:14,480 --> 00:57:16,800
Speaker 2: Especially if you got It's seriously, you got discharged like

1250
00:57:16,800 --> 00:57:19,280
Speaker 2: two weeks later. Oh yeah, it's like, yeah, now you

1251
00:57:19,360 --> 00:57:21,680
Speaker 2: have to wear a Halloween costume. Yeah, your whole chicken

1252
00:57:21,720 --> 00:57:24,600
Speaker 2: suit shame right, And I'm glad you brought up the

1253
00:57:24,800 --> 00:57:26,840
Speaker 2: myth because I've been on this for years, for decades.

1254
00:57:26,960 --> 00:57:30,320
Speaker 2: Sanjay is the whole and you were around long when

1255
00:57:30,360 --> 00:57:32,320
Speaker 2: they used to bring your candy to the hospital and

1256
00:57:32,360 --> 00:57:34,200
Speaker 2: we'll x ray it for you were like, no one

1257
00:57:34,400 --> 00:57:37,160
Speaker 2: is putting needles and razor blades and can't. It's just

1258
00:57:37,280 --> 00:57:38,960
Speaker 2: that it may be an industrial act and there may

1259
00:57:39,000 --> 00:57:41,400
Speaker 2: be a couple I know, one offs with really crazy

1260
00:57:41,440 --> 00:57:43,040
Speaker 2: people in the world. I can't say it doesn't happen.

1261
00:57:43,080 --> 00:57:45,200
Speaker 2: But the idea that you have to x ray your candy,

1262
00:57:45,880 --> 00:57:47,520
Speaker 2: it's all, you know what it is. It's big mom

1263
00:57:47,560 --> 00:57:49,000
Speaker 2: and dad? Is what is the industry? A big mom

1264
00:57:49,080 --> 00:57:51,280
Speaker 2: and dad? Because all it's kind of funny how like

1265
00:57:51,360 --> 00:57:54,160
Speaker 2: when my kids were little, all the Snickers had a

1266
00:57:54,240 --> 00:57:56,080
Speaker 2: razor blade though, Yeah, it's just a reason for me

1267
00:57:56,120 --> 00:57:56,840
Speaker 2: to steal their candy.

1268
00:57:57,520 --> 00:58:01,560
Speaker 8: Yeah exactly, Oh my god, yeah, this is this is

1269
00:58:01,640 --> 00:58:04,640
Speaker 8: how the parents enjoy Halloween too, is just by scaring

1270
00:58:04,680 --> 00:58:07,160
Speaker 8: their children, as if there's not enough scares going on

1271
00:58:07,240 --> 00:58:07,960
Speaker 8: in Halloween already.

1272
00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:11,320
Speaker 2: Can I have a sugar overdose? Is that possible? Can

1273
00:58:11,360 --> 00:58:11,920
Speaker 2: I overdose?

1274
00:58:12,960 --> 00:58:16,280
Speaker 8: Can you like like a classic overdose? Can you feel

1275
00:58:16,360 --> 00:58:18,960
Speaker 8: like crap after eating a bunch of sugar? Absolutely?

1276
00:58:19,160 --> 00:58:20,240
Speaker 2: Yes, we all get that.

1277
00:58:20,600 --> 00:58:22,600
Speaker 8: But uh no, Halloween is the time to eat a

1278
00:58:22,680 --> 00:58:24,760
Speaker 8: decent amount of candy and find out where your limits are.

1279
00:58:24,960 --> 00:58:27,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's my problem is. I'm like, I'm like a

1280
00:58:28,160 --> 00:58:30,080
Speaker 2: wild dog. I'm like a rabit dog. I'm just gonna

1281
00:58:30,080 --> 00:58:32,000
Speaker 2: eat it all. Like we get the big Costco candy

1282
00:58:32,040 --> 00:58:34,280
Speaker 2: and I walk picture. I'm like, Michelle, quit buying all

1283
00:58:34,320 --> 00:58:36,240
Speaker 2: that Costco candy. Well, we don't how many kids. It's

1284
00:58:36,240 --> 00:58:38,439
Speaker 2: a new house. I'm like, listen, we'll buy one bag

1285
00:58:38,680 --> 00:58:40,520
Speaker 2: and when it's gone, the light goes off next it.

1286
00:58:40,720 --> 00:58:42,400
Speaker 8: Yeah, stop doing this to me. But then there's no

1287
00:58:42,520 --> 00:58:45,280
Speaker 8: leftover Halleen candy. And that's why we love Halloween as.

1288
00:58:45,200 --> 00:58:48,040
Speaker 2: Adults is freaking control is my problem? No, I just

1289
00:58:48,120 --> 00:58:48,760
Speaker 2: can't say.

1290
00:58:48,680 --> 00:58:49,280
Speaker 8: You're not alone.

1291
00:58:50,800 --> 00:58:53,960
Speaker 2: I'm right there with you, all right. So that's Halloween.

1292
00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:56,600
Speaker 2: Let's talk about cold and flu season. I uh, five

1293
00:58:56,680 --> 00:58:59,680
Speaker 2: days ago got my received my vaccine for it. Went

1294
00:58:59,720 --> 00:59:01,760
Speaker 2: to my local right eight or no, right eight. I

1295
00:59:01,800 --> 00:59:04,120
Speaker 2: went to right Age no more? Is it Walgreens or

1296
00:59:04,320 --> 00:59:06,480
Speaker 2: I don't save it. I think with CBS actually rolled

1297
00:59:06,480 --> 00:59:08,640
Speaker 2: it up. Got my shots all good. I do that

1298
00:59:08,720 --> 00:59:11,680
Speaker 2: every year, and I'm a proponent of the flu vaccine.

1299
00:59:12,080 --> 00:59:14,520
Speaker 2: A few folks in the hospital get it. I'm thinking

1300
00:59:14,600 --> 00:59:15,880
Speaker 2: that's a probably a pretty good thing to get.

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00:59:16,120 --> 00:59:19,440
Speaker 8: Yeah, I you know, it's interesting. In training, I it

1302
00:59:19,560 --> 00:59:22,240
Speaker 8: was a optional thing. So you know, this is twenty

1303
00:59:22,360 --> 00:59:25,000
Speaker 8: years ago. The flu shot was optional and I got

1304
00:59:25,040 --> 00:59:27,560
Speaker 8: the flu my fourth year of residency, and so I

1305
00:59:27,640 --> 00:59:28,480
Speaker 8: have never looked back.

1306
00:59:28,520 --> 00:59:28,920
Speaker 6: I've got it.

1307
00:59:29,000 --> 00:59:31,280
Speaker 8: I get it every year since then because I just

1308
00:59:31,400 --> 00:59:34,480
Speaker 8: felt like trash for a solid week. As a week,

1309
00:59:35,120 --> 00:59:37,440
Speaker 8: I was laid up pretty good, and so I get

1310
00:59:37,480 --> 00:59:40,040
Speaker 8: it myself every year. Yes, because it's mandatory now, but

1311
00:59:40,400 --> 00:59:41,640
Speaker 8: happily I've.

1312
00:59:41,520 --> 00:59:43,360
Speaker 2: Gotten it for years, and I think last year I

1313
00:59:43,440 --> 00:59:47,160
Speaker 2: actually still wound up contracting flu and I was sick.

1314
00:59:47,240 --> 00:59:49,840
Speaker 2: I was like three days. I felt really bad past

1315
00:59:49,920 --> 00:59:51,360
Speaker 2: the point and we'll get into you know what that

1316
00:59:51,480 --> 00:59:54,480
Speaker 2: diagnosis is. But I think I got Simpsons that wasn't

1317
00:59:55,040 --> 00:59:57,040
Speaker 2: and I felt like, like crap. I think for four five,

1318
00:59:57,120 --> 00:59:59,160
Speaker 2: six in and i'd like last for like the effects

1319
00:59:59,240 --> 01:00:01,160
Speaker 2: last for two weeks after almost a month after, and

1320
01:00:01,240 --> 01:00:03,360
Speaker 2: I thought, wow, if I got that with the vaccine,

1321
01:00:03,840 --> 01:00:05,280
Speaker 2: what would have happened to me if I hadn't had

1322
01:00:05,320 --> 01:00:05,760
Speaker 2: the vaccine.

1323
01:00:05,840 --> 01:00:08,320
Speaker 8: Yeah, so the you know, people say, well I still

1324
01:00:08,360 --> 01:00:10,640
Speaker 8: got the flu despite getting the flu shot, And it's true,

1325
01:00:10,960 --> 01:00:14,200
Speaker 8: it reduces cases of flu by only fifty percent, so

1326
01:00:14,320 --> 01:00:15,920
Speaker 8: one out of every two times you're still going to

1327
01:00:16,000 --> 01:00:19,760
Speaker 8: get the flu. But it's obviously much more effective in

1328
01:00:19,880 --> 01:00:22,280
Speaker 8: preventing it. But then when you get it, it decreases

1329
01:00:22,320 --> 01:00:24,440
Speaker 8: the duration for like two to three days, and so

1330
01:00:24,600 --> 01:00:27,680
Speaker 8: your symptoms aren't as bad, they don't last as long. Yes,

1331
01:00:27,760 --> 01:00:30,200
Speaker 8: you might still get the flu, but it's better than

1332
01:00:30,280 --> 01:00:31,680
Speaker 8: not having it, you know, having.

1333
01:00:31,520 --> 01:00:32,960
Speaker 2: A shot in time. I think we look at it

1334
01:00:33,080 --> 01:00:35,120
Speaker 2: raw incorrectly. You hear people is like, well I got

1335
01:00:35,160 --> 01:00:37,920
Speaker 2: the flu shot and I still got the flu, So

1336
01:00:38,000 --> 01:00:40,920
Speaker 2: it doesn't it doesn't work. Well, it does work, it's

1337
01:00:41,080 --> 01:00:44,120
Speaker 2: just not one hundred percent accurate. It's not going you know,

1338
01:00:44,160 --> 01:00:47,800
Speaker 2: boiling water for ten minutes will kill the bacteria. That's science, right,

1339
01:00:47,840 --> 01:00:50,080
Speaker 2: You're going to do that. It's it's still a crab.

1340
01:00:50,120 --> 01:00:51,680
Speaker 2: It's still a fifty to fifty shot. But if you

1341
01:00:51,840 --> 01:00:55,480
Speaker 2: get it, if you get the inject, the symptoms reverdy less.

1342
01:00:55,560 --> 01:00:57,240
Speaker 2: And my point is like, well, got I still got

1343
01:00:57,280 --> 01:00:58,720
Speaker 2: the flow. I'm not going to get a shot this year. No,

1344
01:00:58,720 --> 01:01:01,000
Speaker 2: I'm definitely going to my shot because as sick as

1345
01:01:01,040 --> 01:01:03,800
Speaker 2: I was last year, I could I probably go into

1346
01:01:03,840 --> 01:01:05,360
Speaker 2: the hospital. It could have been worse. It could have

1347
01:01:05,400 --> 01:01:06,040
Speaker 2: been a lot worse.

1348
01:01:06,080 --> 01:01:08,880
Speaker 8: And especially if you you know, very young, very old,

1349
01:01:09,520 --> 01:01:12,040
Speaker 8: those are the people that definitely need it because you know,

1350
01:01:12,200 --> 01:01:16,160
Speaker 8: the hospitalizations come mainly from the patients that are not vaccinated,

1351
01:01:16,440 --> 01:01:19,720
Speaker 8: and so the sickest of the sick are unvaccinated against

1352
01:01:19,760 --> 01:01:22,360
Speaker 8: the flu. So if you do fall into those categories

1353
01:01:22,480 --> 01:01:25,480
Speaker 8: or your immune system just isn't good at baseline, yeah,

1354
01:01:25,560 --> 01:01:26,400
Speaker 8: definitely think about it.

1355
01:01:26,600 --> 01:01:28,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I look thinking pretty healthy. I'm like that

1356
01:01:28,680 --> 01:01:31,520
Speaker 2: that really hit me. But then you hear like I

1357
01:01:31,720 --> 01:01:33,360
Speaker 2: was sick, I was sick yesterday and back to that

1358
01:01:33,400 --> 01:01:36,120
Speaker 2: because I had the flu. It's like, that's not the flu, right,

1359
01:01:36,200 --> 01:01:38,680
Speaker 2: it's gastroenteritis. It's it could be a bunch of stomach

1360
01:01:38,720 --> 01:01:39,720
Speaker 2: flu is, gasternoritis.

1361
01:01:39,760 --> 01:01:40,240
Speaker 3: It's not that.

1362
01:01:40,560 --> 01:01:44,400
Speaker 2: It's when you just dire's in a cold, irregular sickness

1363
01:01:44,440 --> 01:01:45,120
Speaker 2: and the flu is what.

1364
01:01:45,680 --> 01:01:48,520
Speaker 8: So mainly it's how you present. It's the severity. So

1365
01:01:48,600 --> 01:01:51,080
Speaker 8: you're going to have higher fevers with the flu. Typically,

1366
01:01:51,120 --> 01:01:53,040
Speaker 8: you're going to have body aches, You're going to feel

1367
01:01:53,080 --> 01:01:56,640
Speaker 8: like a truck hit you. Yeah, this whole quote stomach

1368
01:01:56,680 --> 01:01:59,520
Speaker 8: flu thing is usually a different virus that just affects

1369
01:01:59,560 --> 01:02:02,280
Speaker 8: your your gi tracks. But it's going to be the aches.

1370
01:02:02,480 --> 01:02:04,360
Speaker 8: It's going to be the high fevers. You're going to

1371
01:02:04,400 --> 01:02:07,520
Speaker 8: have a headache usually and just overall feel like not

1372
01:02:07,720 --> 01:02:10,960
Speaker 8: doing anything. Yeah, kids, especially vomiting diarrhe are right, they

1373
01:02:11,040 --> 01:02:14,480
Speaker 8: can have everything. Yeah, Kids, kids will present however they want,

1374
01:02:14,680 --> 01:02:17,800
Speaker 8: dying of it and and forty eight hours are good exactly.

1375
01:02:17,920 --> 01:02:19,880
Speaker 8: They bounce back and they're like mom, Dad, play with me.

1376
01:02:19,960 --> 01:02:21,840
Speaker 8: And you're like, not for another two weeks, thank.

1377
01:02:21,680 --> 01:02:23,520
Speaker 2: You very much. Yeah, why does it seem like that

1378
01:02:23,680 --> 01:02:25,480
Speaker 2: lingers when you're sick and I don't know if it's

1379
01:02:26,320 --> 01:02:28,360
Speaker 2: the effects of that last for it feels like a

1380
01:02:28,440 --> 01:02:31,400
Speaker 2: month where you're still diffnically breathing your hacking stuff up.

1381
01:02:32,160 --> 01:02:33,240
Speaker 2: In the older we get it's worse.

1382
01:02:33,440 --> 01:02:36,240
Speaker 8: Yeah, So the it's the post residual kind of cough.

1383
01:02:36,360 --> 01:02:38,920
Speaker 8: So after you get sick, the virus that's wreaking its

1384
01:02:38,960 --> 01:02:41,640
Speaker 8: havoc for like a week or so. Then it goes away,

1385
01:02:41,720 --> 01:02:43,560
Speaker 8: but you've got all this crud left in your air

1386
01:02:43,640 --> 01:02:45,880
Speaker 8: wings and your you know, in your windpipe, in your

1387
01:02:46,080 --> 01:02:48,680
Speaker 8: in your lungs, and that stuff still has to come up.

1388
01:02:48,760 --> 01:02:51,640
Speaker 8: So actually it's like three to eight weeks after a cold,

1389
01:02:51,760 --> 01:02:54,160
Speaker 8: you can still expect to have some sort of cough.

1390
01:02:54,240 --> 01:02:55,760
Speaker 8: And yes, it gets a little bit worse when we

1391
01:02:55,840 --> 01:02:58,840
Speaker 8: get older because we're not as good as coughing when

1392
01:02:58,880 --> 01:03:01,240
Speaker 8: we get older and clear that stuff. So all that

1393
01:03:01,320 --> 01:03:04,240
Speaker 8: inflammation is left, we keep coughing, and you know it

1394
01:03:04,320 --> 01:03:06,840
Speaker 8: bothers everyone around you because it's three to eight weeks later,

1395
01:03:06,920 --> 01:03:10,000
Speaker 8: but you're no longer contagious. It's just you're you're hacking

1396
01:03:10,080 --> 01:03:11,240
Speaker 8: up along still fine, is.

1397
01:03:11,240 --> 01:03:14,840
Speaker 2: There anything you can do to speed the process up?

1398
01:03:15,280 --> 01:03:19,600
Speaker 8: So yes, early on there's a lot of stuff sold

1399
01:03:19,640 --> 01:03:21,640
Speaker 8: out there right, like, right, do you take anything song?

1400
01:03:22,560 --> 01:03:24,600
Speaker 2: I'm a big believer in vitamin supplements, that kind of

1401
01:03:24,600 --> 01:03:27,880
Speaker 2: thing ahead of time. I tried the zinc before when

1402
01:03:27,920 --> 01:03:29,520
Speaker 2: I feel it coming on and I want to find

1403
01:03:29,560 --> 01:03:31,400
Speaker 2: note this plus ebo or not, but it feels like

1404
01:03:31,520 --> 01:03:32,080
Speaker 2: that might help.

1405
01:03:32,240 --> 01:03:35,080
Speaker 8: Yeah, so you nailed it. So zinc is literally the

1406
01:03:35,160 --> 01:03:37,680
Speaker 8: only thing that's even shown to have maybe some effects.

1407
01:03:38,840 --> 01:03:41,680
Speaker 8: Zinc seventy five milligrams to one hundred milligrams a day,

1408
01:03:42,080 --> 01:03:44,880
Speaker 8: you know, broken up is the only thing that's shown

1409
01:03:44,960 --> 01:03:49,120
Speaker 8: to decrease the risk of getting a bad virus or

1410
01:03:49,120 --> 01:03:52,600
Speaker 8: at least decreasing the symptoms you have. That has to

1411
01:03:52,680 --> 01:03:55,880
Speaker 8: be in lozenge form, though. The nasal spray is actually

1412
01:03:56,000 --> 01:03:58,800
Speaker 8: no good, so avoid that because actually you can cause harm.

1413
01:03:58,840 --> 01:04:02,160
Speaker 8: It can you know, a affect the way you smell permanently.

1414
01:04:02,400 --> 01:04:05,800
Speaker 8: Oh yeah, So the zinc lozenges is what you're looking for.

1415
01:04:05,960 --> 01:04:06,080
Speaker 3: Now.

1416
01:04:06,120 --> 01:04:07,880
Speaker 8: Those can be pretty rough on the stomach though, because

1417
01:04:07,880 --> 01:04:12,280
Speaker 8: it's a heavy metal you're literally eating a metal gutters exactly. Yeah,

1418
01:04:12,480 --> 01:04:15,880
Speaker 8: what we do every hour, we gun a gun. But

1419
01:04:16,000 --> 01:04:17,560
Speaker 8: the zinc can be tough on the stomach, but it

1420
01:04:17,920 --> 01:04:20,240
Speaker 8: is has been shown to have some effects. The rest

1421
01:04:20,280 --> 01:04:21,480
Speaker 8: of the supplements not so much.

1422
01:04:21,480 --> 01:04:22,760
Speaker 2: Why does the zinc work? What's it do?

1423
01:04:23,200 --> 01:04:23,320
Speaker 1: Uh?

1424
01:04:23,760 --> 01:04:26,320
Speaker 8: You know, that's a great question. So I think they're

1425
01:04:26,400 --> 01:04:29,560
Speaker 8: still trying to figure it out. But you know, so

1426
01:04:29,640 --> 01:04:32,200
Speaker 8: what I heard, by the way, it's son Jay Shiva Cramani.

1427
01:04:32,200 --> 01:04:33,440
Speaker 8: He's an emergency room physician.

1428
01:04:33,480 --> 01:04:35,439
Speaker 2: Balls are a health guy in Scotsland show seven hundred

1429
01:04:35,440 --> 01:04:38,080
Speaker 2: double Alway's gonna pop it on Thursdays and it could

1430
01:04:38,080 --> 01:04:39,720
Speaker 2: be you know, working out. We'll get to that a

1431
01:04:39,760 --> 01:04:42,800
Speaker 2: little bit, and you know, neutrons and dieting and GLP

1432
01:04:42,920 --> 01:04:45,080
Speaker 2: injections and stuff like that. But today we're talking about well,

1433
01:04:45,120 --> 01:04:48,960
Speaker 2: Halloween crazy stuff. You've seen in the hour Halloween carving

1434
01:04:49,000 --> 01:04:51,960
Speaker 2: pumpkins number one and number two is kids running with

1435
01:04:52,000 --> 01:04:53,680
Speaker 2: their mask on and tripping and falling and break in

1436
01:04:53,840 --> 01:04:58,480
Speaker 2: our number three is people emulating themselves because they decided

1437
01:04:58,520 --> 01:05:00,959
Speaker 2: they were going to, I don't know, go as human torch.

1438
01:05:01,080 --> 01:05:03,880
Speaker 2: But that's that's kind of Darwin there. That's a different thing.

1439
01:05:04,200 --> 01:05:07,640
Speaker 2: I'm talking about the flu vaccine and so the zinc

1440
01:05:07,640 --> 01:05:10,800
Speaker 2: because I understood it, there's something that it coats the

1441
01:05:10,880 --> 01:05:13,720
Speaker 2: throat and so typically if you ingest. If I don't

1442
01:05:13,720 --> 01:05:15,560
Speaker 2: know why, it's being swallowing because I think your stomach

1443
01:05:15,600 --> 01:05:19,360
Speaker 2: acid would kill this. But when you ingest, the virus

1444
01:05:19,400 --> 01:05:21,880
Speaker 2: basically sloths off down your throat and the zinc allows

1445
01:05:21,960 --> 01:05:25,000
Speaker 2: that to occur, or maybe it kills that something like that, right,

1446
01:05:25,680 --> 01:05:26,320
Speaker 2: it's something like that.

1447
01:05:26,440 --> 01:05:29,480
Speaker 8: It also boosts the immune system in general when our

1448
01:05:29,480 --> 01:05:31,920
Speaker 8: immune systems are worse in the winter. That's been shown too.

1449
01:05:32,080 --> 01:05:34,240
Speaker 8: So you know what help we can get. So those

1450
01:05:34,240 --> 01:05:36,320
Speaker 8: people that are like, well, I say vitamin C and

1451
01:05:36,400 --> 01:05:38,400
Speaker 8: it works for me. You know, if it if it helps, you,

1452
01:05:39,000 --> 01:05:40,760
Speaker 8: go for it. As long as you're not harming yourself.

1453
01:05:40,800 --> 01:05:43,160
Speaker 8: I'm cool with that too. But yeah, the zinc does

1454
01:05:43,200 --> 01:05:45,560
Speaker 8: seem to have some effect, a little bit of an effect. Okay, good,

1455
01:05:45,600 --> 01:05:47,160
Speaker 8: that's good to know. But by and large, it's like

1456
01:05:47,240 --> 01:05:49,640
Speaker 8: you've got it. Hydrate, that's all in rest. That's all

1457
01:05:49,640 --> 01:05:49,920
Speaker 8: you can do.

1458
01:05:50,200 --> 01:05:50,600
Speaker 2: Hydrate.

1459
01:05:50,880 --> 01:05:51,120
Speaker 6: Rest.

1460
01:05:51,760 --> 01:05:54,960
Speaker 8: And yeah. The other thing is, you know, the annoying

1461
01:05:55,040 --> 01:05:57,600
Speaker 8: cough is another thing. There is no magic bullet for cough.

1462
01:05:57,640 --> 01:06:00,320
Speaker 8: People always come in like four weeks later. If actually

1463
01:06:00,760 --> 01:06:03,120
Speaker 8: this last week, I've seen a ton of patients with

1464
01:06:03,200 --> 01:06:05,040
Speaker 8: this lingering cough. So I don't know what's going on

1465
01:06:05,120 --> 01:06:07,520
Speaker 8: out there. It's not flu it's not COVID right now,

1466
01:06:07,600 --> 01:06:10,680
Speaker 8: it's not RSV. But there's so many crud, Cincinnati crud's

1467
01:06:10,720 --> 01:06:13,479
Speaker 8: going around and it's leaving people with this like prolonged cough,

1468
01:06:13,560 --> 01:06:16,560
Speaker 8: and unfortunately there's nothing I can prescribe that will make

1469
01:06:16,600 --> 01:06:19,160
Speaker 8: it go away. Honey has been shown as long as

1470
01:06:19,160 --> 01:06:22,520
Speaker 8: you're older than one year old, honey can help the cough.

1471
01:06:22,800 --> 01:06:26,640
Speaker 8: Hydration also helps because it decreases that dryness which actually

1472
01:06:26,680 --> 01:06:27,400
Speaker 8: triggers a cough.

1473
01:06:27,520 --> 01:06:29,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, and especially this time you're a hydrate is very

1474
01:06:29,600 --> 01:06:32,000
Speaker 2: important because you're inside the dry air. It's gonna hast

1475
01:06:32,160 --> 01:06:34,760
Speaker 2: that that whole disease courts to whether it's that or

1476
01:06:34,800 --> 01:06:38,880
Speaker 2: something else. Yeah, that's interesting that there's nothing really can do.

1477
01:06:38,960 --> 01:06:41,400
Speaker 2: I mean, the cough lingers. There's some over the counters.

1478
01:06:41,680 --> 01:06:43,160
Speaker 2: Sometimes you can get a script for it, but it's

1479
01:06:43,320 --> 01:06:45,160
Speaker 2: basically over the counter stuff. We all want to get

1480
01:06:45,200 --> 01:06:47,160
Speaker 2: that done. It's like I think, so after four weeks

1481
01:06:47,200 --> 01:06:49,240
Speaker 2: you're like my guy, three weeks you're thinking, Okay, there's

1482
01:06:49,280 --> 01:06:51,280
Speaker 2: something bad going on here, right, that's when you should

1483
01:06:51,520 --> 01:06:52,800
Speaker 2: well for four weeks.

1484
01:06:52,920 --> 01:06:56,000
Speaker 8: Yes, though, if it's not getting worse, you know it's

1485
01:06:56,040 --> 01:06:57,880
Speaker 8: not to worry about. Or if you're not having trouble

1486
01:06:57,920 --> 01:06:59,760
Speaker 8: breathing or chest pains or anything like that. If you

1487
01:06:59,840 --> 01:07:02,280
Speaker 8: are having something like that, worry if it's more than

1488
01:07:02,360 --> 01:07:04,480
Speaker 8: like eight weeks, which I know sounds like forever. And

1489
01:07:04,560 --> 01:07:06,720
Speaker 8: it is forever to have a cough right because your

1490
01:07:06,760 --> 01:07:09,560
Speaker 8: sleep is bad, everything's bad. Everyone's annoyed at you because

1491
01:07:09,560 --> 01:07:11,920
Speaker 8: all you're doing is coughing. You want to get it

1492
01:07:12,000 --> 01:07:14,560
Speaker 8: taken care of, but usually it's like eight weeks later.

1493
01:07:14,680 --> 01:07:16,760
Speaker 8: But you know, there are medicines that might be able

1494
01:07:16,840 --> 01:07:20,080
Speaker 8: to help at that point, but there's no magic bullet on.

1495
01:07:20,200 --> 01:07:22,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, like some of the dm as san it's gonna

1496
01:07:22,680 --> 01:07:25,880
Speaker 2: take care of it. It's interesting because like my mom,

1497
01:07:25,960 --> 01:07:27,600
Speaker 2: for example, growing up, it was like, wow, he's got

1498
01:07:27,680 --> 01:07:30,560
Speaker 2: a fluke taking the doctor ahead and get himself, Get

1499
01:07:30,600 --> 01:07:32,800
Speaker 2: him on something, get him on the head. Anti viral,

1500
01:07:32,880 --> 01:07:35,080
Speaker 2: you don't want to. There's there's really now there's a virus.

1501
01:07:35,120 --> 01:07:36,840
Speaker 2: There's a virus in bacteria.

1502
01:07:36,600 --> 01:07:39,720
Speaker 8: Exactly, so you know pneumonia, that's gonna be a bacteria

1503
01:07:39,760 --> 01:07:42,520
Speaker 8: that causes it. Stuff like the flu flu is a virus.

1504
01:07:42,640 --> 01:07:45,760
Speaker 8: But almost every single Cincinnati crud thing out there is

1505
01:07:45,840 --> 01:07:48,720
Speaker 8: a virus. And unfortunately, antibiotics don't do anything. And some

1506
01:07:48,800 --> 01:07:51,040
Speaker 8: people say, well, this zpac works for me every time.

1507
01:07:51,120 --> 01:07:53,400
Speaker 8: This antiotic works for me every time, and it's you know,

1508
01:07:53,600 --> 01:07:55,640
Speaker 8: there may be a little something to it as far

1509
01:07:55,680 --> 01:07:58,480
Speaker 8: as anti and inflammation, but it's not treating the infection.

1510
01:07:59,000 --> 01:08:01,440
Speaker 8: And you know, it's usually a fact that people have

1511
01:08:01,560 --> 01:08:03,400
Speaker 8: just been sick long enough that they're getting better and

1512
01:08:03,480 --> 01:08:05,600
Speaker 8: it just happens to coincide with the time that they

1513
01:08:05,640 --> 01:08:06,680
Speaker 8: start on an antibiotic.

1514
01:08:06,800 --> 01:08:09,840
Speaker 2: Right, I gotcha, Sanjay on that you know you demand

1515
01:08:09,880 --> 01:08:12,040
Speaker 2: your doctor right that that led us to this whole

1516
01:08:12,280 --> 01:08:15,040
Speaker 2: superbug thing. Right, It's like, we wrote ow me two

1517
01:08:15,080 --> 01:08:17,719
Speaker 2: scripts for a bacteria kill a bacteri when s virus

1518
01:08:17,720 --> 01:08:18,920
Speaker 2: and we knew that, but we did it to shut

1519
01:08:19,000 --> 01:08:22,080
Speaker 2: the patient up. Yeah, And then that dividend with that was, well,

1520
01:08:22,120 --> 01:08:25,120
Speaker 2: we've not got these superbugs out there that are immune

1521
01:08:25,160 --> 01:08:27,960
Speaker 2: to the overwriting of those prescriptions exactly.

1522
01:08:28,600 --> 01:08:28,760
Speaker 6: You know.

1523
01:08:29,000 --> 01:08:30,960
Speaker 8: The best story I have of that, or the most

1524
01:08:31,080 --> 01:08:35,120
Speaker 8: unfortunate story is my uncle in India would be like, oh, yeah,

1525
01:08:35,160 --> 01:08:38,600
Speaker 8: I take this this medicine for diarrhea every time. And

1526
01:08:38,720 --> 01:08:41,719
Speaker 8: I'm like, yeah, we're having talks about diarrhea for unclear reasons,

1527
01:08:41,840 --> 01:08:43,720
Speaker 8: and so you know, I'm like, what is it? Is

1528
01:08:43,760 --> 01:08:46,160
Speaker 8: it emodium? And he breaks out this pill and it

1529
01:08:46,280 --> 01:08:49,360
Speaker 8: is leve aphloxysm, which is a super powerful, you know,

1530
01:08:49,479 --> 01:08:52,040
Speaker 8: antibiotic that we really hold back for a lot of things.

1531
01:08:52,080 --> 01:08:54,439
Speaker 8: But in India that stuff's flowing over the counter really

1532
01:08:54,760 --> 01:08:57,200
Speaker 8: and so we see all these nasty super bugs coming

1533
01:08:57,240 --> 01:09:00,160
Speaker 8: from other countries where there is no you know, no

1534
01:09:00,320 --> 01:09:02,920
Speaker 8: barrier where you don't have to see a doctor for this. So, yes,

1535
01:09:03,040 --> 01:09:06,000
Speaker 8: we do want to be stewards of antibiotics as physicians.

1536
01:09:06,400 --> 01:09:06,640
Speaker 6: We do.

1537
01:09:07,000 --> 01:09:09,920
Speaker 8: You know, this all came out of Yeah, placate the patient,

1538
01:09:10,400 --> 01:09:12,960
Speaker 8: but it's done more harm than good with causing you know,

1539
01:09:13,080 --> 01:09:14,479
Speaker 8: these these resistant infections.

1540
01:09:14,560 --> 01:09:16,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's that's good to rip dividends for a

1541
01:09:17,040 --> 01:09:19,840
Speaker 2: long time, and not in a good way. He is

1542
01:09:19,880 --> 01:09:23,640
Speaker 2: a Sonjay Schavrokomani. He's an emergency room a physician here

1543
01:09:23,680 --> 01:09:26,920
Speaker 2: in Cincinnati, and he's coming on the show like every

1544
01:09:26,960 --> 01:09:29,559
Speaker 2: Thursday morning, pop in and talk about health and food

1545
01:09:29,600 --> 01:09:32,240
Speaker 2: and in this case the flu. So get the vaccine.

1546
01:09:32,240 --> 01:09:35,240
Speaker 2: I know that we've politicized vaccines now and you know,

1547
01:09:35,760 --> 01:09:37,439
Speaker 2: believe what you want about the COVID vacs. I mean,

1548
01:09:37,520 --> 01:09:39,320
Speaker 2: I don't get it every year. I'm like, every couple

1549
01:09:39,320 --> 01:09:41,360
Speaker 2: of years, my doctor says, you know, you're you're pretty healthy,

1550
01:09:41,360 --> 01:09:43,400
Speaker 2: you don't need it. But I'm pretty religious about that

1551
01:09:43,479 --> 01:09:45,680
Speaker 2: flu vax and I think, you know, you got to

1552
01:09:45,720 --> 01:09:49,599
Speaker 2: look at measles and all those series and okay, there's

1553
01:09:49,680 --> 01:09:51,560
Speaker 2: the politics of it, but don't let that pollute the

1554
01:09:51,560 --> 01:09:54,160
Speaker 2: stuff that's kept well, really kept us alive all these years.

1555
01:09:54,200 --> 01:09:54,320
Speaker 6: Too.

1556
01:09:54,360 --> 01:09:55,880
Speaker 2: The same people, a lot of the people who are

1557
01:09:55,880 --> 01:09:58,160
Speaker 2: against the vaccines are the same ones who benefited from

1558
01:09:58,240 --> 01:09:59,760
Speaker 2: for the last X number of years.

1559
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:02,720
Speaker 8: Absolutely, so you know, everyone has to make their own

1560
01:10:02,760 --> 01:10:05,920
Speaker 8: individual decisions. We have to respect that too and really

1561
01:10:06,040 --> 01:10:08,760
Speaker 8: understand the drivers of that. If you do have any

1562
01:10:08,840 --> 01:10:10,960
Speaker 8: questions though, you know, talk to your doctor about it,

1563
01:10:11,920 --> 01:10:14,160
Speaker 8: and you know, we just want the best thing for

1564
01:10:14,280 --> 01:10:15,840
Speaker 8: you and your family and loved ones.

1565
01:10:15,880 --> 01:10:17,840
Speaker 2: All right, sign jail the best. Thanks again. You can

1566
01:10:17,880 --> 01:10:20,200
Speaker 2: get a reach in His handle is at dine Well

1567
01:10:20,280 --> 01:10:22,679
Speaker 2: Dock at dine Well Dock and we'll talk next Thursday.

1568
01:10:22,720 --> 01:10:24,960
Speaker 2: Appreciate you, good see you. Thanks wean, It's a Scott's

1569
01:10:25,000 --> 01:10:29,080
Speaker 2: Loan show. This is seven hundred W Clony, seven hundred

1570
01:10:29,160 --> 01:10:33,360
Speaker 2: WLW more bad news for your pocketbook. Here, if you're

1571
01:10:33,400 --> 01:10:36,040
Speaker 2: in Ohio, you and your family could be paying more

1572
01:10:36,120 --> 01:10:39,680
Speaker 2: for electricity. Why, well, the federal government is trying to

1573
01:10:39,720 --> 01:10:42,160
Speaker 2: extend the life of aging coal plants that were once

1574
01:10:42,320 --> 01:10:44,959
Speaker 2: slated for call closure. And those things are notoriously expensive

1575
01:10:45,000 --> 01:10:47,439
Speaker 2: to keep going. And we're seeing this trend across the

1576
01:10:47,479 --> 01:10:50,880
Speaker 2: country as well. And those expenses too would then be

1577
01:10:50,960 --> 01:10:53,960
Speaker 2: passed on a consumer, So says the Citizen's Utility Board

1578
01:10:54,000 --> 01:10:56,920
Speaker 2: of Ohio. Tom Bullock is here, he's our executive director. Tom. Welcome,

1579
01:10:56,960 --> 01:10:57,280
Speaker 2: How are you.

1580
01:10:58,760 --> 01:10:59,320
Speaker 6: Good morning?

1581
01:11:00,000 --> 01:11:00,800
Speaker 4: Good good?

1582
01:11:00,960 --> 01:11:03,559
Speaker 2: Why would keeping a coal plant open cost us more money?

1583
01:11:04,080 --> 01:11:06,080
Speaker 2: Does it cost more money to open new plants?

1584
01:11:08,400 --> 01:11:11,080
Speaker 6: Most of these plants in question are very old, seventy

1585
01:11:11,160 --> 01:11:13,519
Speaker 6: years old, sixty years old. They were designed for a

1586
01:11:13,600 --> 01:11:18,360
Speaker 6: different era. The parts don't exist, The facilities aren't designed

1587
01:11:18,439 --> 01:11:21,840
Speaker 6: to power up or power down swiftly or respond to

1588
01:11:21,920 --> 01:11:25,080
Speaker 6: economic conditions. So it's a little bit like if your

1589
01:11:25,200 --> 01:11:28,640
Speaker 6: uncle gave you a nineteen seventy two Chevy and it

1590
01:11:28,720 --> 01:11:31,000
Speaker 6: still runs a leaded gasoline and you're supposed to drive

1591
01:11:31,080 --> 01:11:35,240
Speaker 6: that around. In theory, it's cheaper, but really to operate it,

1592
01:11:35,400 --> 01:11:37,519
Speaker 6: how do you get their parts to repair it? When

1593
01:11:37,560 --> 01:11:40,679
Speaker 6: nobody makes them. It's difficult.

1594
01:11:41,200 --> 01:11:43,280
Speaker 2: Okay, So the question be why why are we forcing

1595
01:11:43,320 --> 01:11:44,240
Speaker 2: to keep these plants open?

1596
01:11:44,280 --> 01:11:49,439
Speaker 6: Then, well, you'd have to ask the White House. The

1597
01:11:49,800 --> 01:11:54,439
Speaker 6: White House believes that it wants to support one fuel source. Now,

1598
01:11:54,640 --> 01:11:57,920
Speaker 6: power is generated by a mix of sources. Coal, nuclear,

1599
01:11:58,280 --> 01:12:01,280
Speaker 6: natural gas is a big, big play, and increasingly wind

1600
01:12:01,360 --> 01:12:06,679
Speaker 6: and solar. Those are low costs. And then battery storage

1601
01:12:06,720 --> 01:12:09,839
Speaker 6: plays a role as well. Those are essentially large versions

1602
01:12:10,040 --> 01:12:13,280
Speaker 6: of the lithium ion batteries you carry around in your

1603
01:12:13,320 --> 01:12:16,760
Speaker 6: smartphone in your pocket all day long. Those play a

1604
01:12:16,880 --> 01:12:21,760
Speaker 6: role because it evens out the grid and you can

1605
01:12:21,920 --> 01:12:26,400
Speaker 6: use cheap solar or wind when there's extra power and

1606
01:12:26,520 --> 01:12:28,680
Speaker 6: you don't need it, store it in the battery, and

1607
01:12:28,720 --> 01:12:30,240
Speaker 6: then release it when you do need it.

1608
01:12:31,040 --> 01:12:34,120
Speaker 2: Gotcha. But what's driving this though, is demand. Right as

1609
01:12:34,160 --> 01:12:37,320
Speaker 2: I understand it, we're putting all these AI facilities online. Ohio,

1610
01:12:37,400 --> 01:12:39,960
Speaker 2: for example, Columbus Butler County is getting a like a

1611
01:12:40,040 --> 01:12:44,639
Speaker 2: million square foot facility as well, and so they're extending

1612
01:12:44,680 --> 01:12:47,120
Speaker 2: the life of coal plants because we need to meet demand.

1613
01:12:47,200 --> 01:12:49,360
Speaker 2: The problem is the forecast. And I'm sure you know

1614
01:12:49,479 --> 01:12:53,080
Speaker 2: by what twenty thirty nine is allegedly going to go

1615
01:12:53,160 --> 01:12:55,560
Speaker 2: up some forty percent. That's just demand. We don't have

1616
01:12:55,760 --> 01:12:58,280
Speaker 2: the infrastructure and the transmission to be able to get

1617
01:12:58,320 --> 01:13:02,680
Speaker 2: that power to howls and businesses and residents obviously in

1618
01:13:02,760 --> 01:13:05,680
Speaker 2: addition to all of the technologies going online. So it

1619
01:13:06,040 --> 01:13:07,920
Speaker 2: feels to me like an all hands on deck approach.

1620
01:13:08,000 --> 01:13:08,439
Speaker 2: Is that wrong?

1621
01:13:10,400 --> 01:13:14,400
Speaker 6: Half right, half wrong? There for sure is data centers

1622
01:13:14,520 --> 01:13:17,400
Speaker 6: that are driving low growth. Part of that is artificial intelligence,

1623
01:13:17,479 --> 01:13:20,759
Speaker 6: part of it's not. There's also new factories coming to Ohio,

1624
01:13:20,960 --> 01:13:24,480
Speaker 6: like we hope the Intel plants. As people also electrify

1625
01:13:24,560 --> 01:13:27,640
Speaker 6: their homes with electric cars or switch their furnace to

1626
01:13:27,880 --> 01:13:31,479
Speaker 6: a heat pump, there's going to be more growth overall.

1627
01:13:31,760 --> 01:13:34,479
Speaker 6: But we do have power today. What's causing the price

1628
01:13:34,600 --> 01:13:38,040
Speaker 6: bike is the speculation, as you said, about the next

1629
01:13:38,160 --> 01:13:41,120
Speaker 6: five years or so for data center growth, and there's

1630
01:13:41,160 --> 01:13:44,840
Speaker 6: a bit of an arms race by those companies to

1631
01:13:44,960 --> 01:13:48,320
Speaker 6: build out. And if you don't have power, data center

1632
01:13:48,400 --> 01:13:51,880
Speaker 6: is a warehouse full of expensive junk. So it's a

1633
01:13:52,040 --> 01:13:55,240
Speaker 6: real issue. But it's not coal that is needed. It's

1634
01:13:55,840 --> 01:14:00,240
Speaker 6: power that the market decides is the best choice, and

1635
01:14:00,400 --> 01:14:03,920
Speaker 6: that gets to the heart of it. Government isn't supposed

1636
01:14:03,920 --> 01:14:06,360
Speaker 6: to be picking winners and losers. And if the White

1637
01:14:06,439 --> 01:14:11,280
Speaker 6: House picks losing facilities that are closed because they're the

1638
01:14:11,360 --> 01:14:15,920
Speaker 6: most expensive and forces people to use those market losers

1639
01:14:15,960 --> 01:14:19,200
Speaker 6: to drive power, it's going to make losers out of

1640
01:14:19,280 --> 01:14:23,120
Speaker 6: all how consumers, because what you're doing is you're spiking

1641
01:14:23,200 --> 01:14:26,759
Speaker 6: the market. The market is designed to have an auction

1642
01:14:27,200 --> 01:14:31,960
Speaker 6: and the lowest cost supplier wins. But if somebody comes

1643
01:14:32,040 --> 01:14:33,880
Speaker 6: in and says, hey, market, I'm going to force you

1644
01:14:33,960 --> 01:14:37,280
Speaker 6: to not just take expensive power, but the most expensive

1645
01:14:37,360 --> 01:14:41,560
Speaker 6: power from the oldest and leaf nimble and least adaptive facilities,

1646
01:14:42,000 --> 01:14:46,559
Speaker 6: it's keews everything. So the issue isn't the fuel source.

1647
01:14:46,720 --> 01:14:51,080
Speaker 6: The issue is let the market function like it's supposed

1648
01:14:51,080 --> 01:14:52,520
Speaker 6: to without tampering.

1649
01:14:53,200 --> 01:14:54,400
Speaker 2: What does the market want.

1650
01:14:56,600 --> 01:15:02,080
Speaker 6: When the market wants more power and affordable power, which

1651
01:15:02,080 --> 01:15:04,680
Speaker 6: is going to be a little bit of an up

1652
01:15:04,720 --> 01:15:07,760
Speaker 6: and down as you bring new resources on. But if

1653
01:15:07,800 --> 01:15:12,360
Speaker 6: you let the market function, a temporary high price in

1654
01:15:12,439 --> 01:15:16,080
Speaker 6: the short term will level out and decrease over time.

1655
01:15:17,200 --> 01:15:19,800
Speaker 6: The challenge, though, is that our regional grid, it's called

1656
01:15:19,880 --> 01:15:25,120
Speaker 6: pjm Ohio's part of thirteen states in a grid that

1657
01:15:25,920 --> 01:15:30,920
Speaker 6: includes the mid Atlantic, Virginia, Maryland, Pennsylvania, et cetera. It's

1658
01:15:31,040 --> 01:15:35,160
Speaker 6: not easy to get new power added to the grid,

1659
01:15:36,000 --> 01:15:40,400
Speaker 6: and that is worsening prices in their terms. So PJM,

1660
01:15:41,240 --> 01:15:44,560
Speaker 6: not the federal government, also has work to do to

1661
01:15:44,800 --> 01:15:49,360
Speaker 6: make the hot prices, which are setting the signal to suppliers. Hey,

1662
01:15:50,200 --> 01:15:54,719
Speaker 6: power producers, come online, we need you. The market's sending

1663
01:15:54,800 --> 01:15:58,880
Speaker 6: that signal. But the problem is PGM has restrictions about

1664
01:15:59,320 --> 01:16:02,200
Speaker 6: adding power or interconnecting with the grid that are too

1665
01:16:02,280 --> 01:16:04,160
Speaker 6: slow and difficult. So the prices are going to be

1666
01:16:04,240 --> 01:16:07,400
Speaker 6: high for a while with no market solutions. So PJM

1667
01:16:07,600 --> 01:16:10,120
Speaker 6: has work to do to lower our prices.

1668
01:16:10,360 --> 01:16:12,920
Speaker 2: Is this just a case of bureaucracy? And this is

1669
01:16:12,960 --> 01:16:15,519
Speaker 2: what is It's a choke point in that we have

1670
01:16:15,800 --> 01:16:19,280
Speaker 2: an increasing demand for power, and so you address that

1671
01:16:19,400 --> 01:16:22,120
Speaker 2: by keeping the old technology online when of course, keeping

1672
01:16:22,160 --> 01:16:24,400
Speaker 2: old stuff going, as you pointed out, as always more

1673
01:16:24,439 --> 01:16:28,080
Speaker 2: expensive the future. To me, you should be everything should

1674
01:16:28,080 --> 01:16:34,160
Speaker 2: be on the table. We if wind or solar, whatever works, hydrogen, nuclear,

1675
01:16:34,280 --> 01:16:36,639
Speaker 2: whatever it is, whatever we can get to market more quickly,

1676
01:16:37,160 --> 01:16:39,599
Speaker 2: that's what we should be favoring at this point. Why

1677
01:16:39,680 --> 01:16:42,400
Speaker 2: isn't that happening, especially with an administration it seems so

1678
01:16:42,479 --> 01:16:45,480
Speaker 2: friendly about getting rid of all the gridlock and bureaucracy

1679
01:16:45,560 --> 01:16:47,120
Speaker 2: and doze and all that stuff that fits right in.

1680
01:16:47,200 --> 01:16:48,000
Speaker 2: Why isn't that happening?

1681
01:16:49,439 --> 01:16:51,920
Speaker 6: Well, because I think what's happening is a lobbyist and

1682
01:16:51,960 --> 01:16:56,720
Speaker 6: the political favors are getting involved instead of instead of

1683
01:16:56,840 --> 01:16:59,920
Speaker 6: letting the market. So capitalism as a creative destructive cycle.

1684
01:17:00,040 --> 01:17:03,479
Speaker 6: What happens is the least expensive old technology goes away

1685
01:17:03,560 --> 01:17:06,679
Speaker 6: and is replaced by a new, better mousetrapper, in this case,

1686
01:17:06,760 --> 01:17:10,800
Speaker 6: a new, cheaper generation facility. But if the people who

1687
01:17:10,880 --> 01:17:14,080
Speaker 6: are friends with the old facility say, hey, wait a minute,

1688
01:17:14,080 --> 01:17:16,439
Speaker 6: we don't like the market. If you do me a

1689
01:17:16,520 --> 01:17:20,840
Speaker 6: political favor, well, then it makes everything more expensive for

1690
01:17:20,920 --> 01:17:24,920
Speaker 6: everybody else. There are more than one thousand power production

1691
01:17:25,520 --> 01:17:30,479
Speaker 6: generation facilities in our regional thirteen state grid. If you

1692
01:17:30,880 --> 01:17:35,360
Speaker 6: say the top fifty or one hundred most expensive power

1693
01:17:35,439 --> 01:17:39,599
Speaker 6: plants are forced to be kept open and sold even

1694
01:17:39,680 --> 01:17:42,320
Speaker 6: when the companies that own them want to close them,

1695
01:17:43,240 --> 01:17:46,760
Speaker 6: you're going to skew that market. So there's enough out

1696
01:17:47,760 --> 01:17:51,640
Speaker 6: pardon me, there's enough out there that we don't need

1697
01:17:51,760 --> 01:17:54,280
Speaker 6: to tamper with. We need to do what the state

1698
01:17:54,320 --> 01:17:57,599
Speaker 6: of Ohio did earlier this year. Bit of Ohio deserves

1699
01:17:57,640 --> 01:18:01,360
Speaker 6: some credit. Is leaned into market competition, technology neutral. It

1700
01:18:01,439 --> 01:18:04,960
Speaker 6: doesn't try to pick winners and losers about which fuel source.

1701
01:18:05,080 --> 01:18:08,160
Speaker 6: It says, we're not going to have regulated generation. We

1702
01:18:08,320 --> 01:18:10,880
Speaker 6: do want to expand power production so that we have

1703
01:18:11,000 --> 01:18:15,440
Speaker 6: affordable the keyword of s affordable energy to power our economy.

1704
01:18:16,080 --> 01:18:18,920
Speaker 6: And we're going to let the investors in the free

1705
01:18:19,000 --> 01:18:23,759
Speaker 6: market competition do its job, which means when an investor

1706
01:18:25,400 --> 01:18:29,040
Speaker 6: takes a risk on a plant, if they messed up

1707
01:18:29,120 --> 01:18:32,080
Speaker 6: the losses on them, the loss doesn't get forced to

1708
01:18:32,160 --> 01:18:35,400
Speaker 6: be paid for by consumers, which is what regulated monopolies do.

1709
01:18:36,560 --> 01:18:39,800
Speaker 6: So basically, the federal government is trying to turn back

1710
01:18:39,840 --> 01:18:44,160
Speaker 6: the clock to a regulated monopoly style of power supply

1711
01:18:44,320 --> 01:18:47,720
Speaker 6: decision making. We don't need that today. We've got all

1712
01:18:47,840 --> 01:18:51,360
Speaker 6: kinds of technology that can be a better solution. I

1713
01:18:51,560 --> 01:18:54,559
Speaker 6: like to say engineers are smart. People are smart. If

1714
01:18:54,600 --> 01:18:57,519
Speaker 6: you can just get the legal and the financial out

1715
01:18:57,560 --> 01:19:00,160
Speaker 6: of the way of the inventors and the engineers, we

1716
01:19:00,240 --> 01:19:03,519
Speaker 6: could do all kinds of cool new solutions. But it's

1717
01:19:03,520 --> 01:19:05,320
Speaker 6: hard to get past legal and.

1718
01:19:05,439 --> 01:19:07,759
Speaker 2: There's a matter of factors. It's Tom Bullock, Executive Director

1719
01:19:07,760 --> 01:19:10,680
Speaker 2: of Citizens Utility Board of Ohio. Because of the high

1720
01:19:10,760 --> 01:19:12,879
Speaker 2: demand that we're facing when it comes to our electrical

1721
01:19:12,960 --> 01:19:16,320
Speaker 2: grid and power and the choke point, which of course

1722
01:19:16,400 --> 01:19:19,360
Speaker 2: is demand and we don't have transmission and supply that's

1723
01:19:19,400 --> 01:19:22,200
Speaker 2: going to drive closs up in. We're adding more and

1724
01:19:22,280 --> 01:19:24,679
Speaker 2: more infrastructure in the forums. Well, you know, people buying

1725
01:19:24,680 --> 01:19:26,880
Speaker 2: electric cars plugging in. But the big one is data

1726
01:19:26,960 --> 01:19:29,120
Speaker 2: centers in AI and we're putting plants all over, including

1727
01:19:29,160 --> 01:19:33,080
Speaker 2: Butler County, that just need a tremendous amount of energy

1728
01:19:33,360 --> 01:19:36,400
Speaker 2: and resources for that. Water is another great example of

1729
01:19:36,479 --> 01:19:38,120
Speaker 2: that thing too. Now maybe not in our scope here,

1730
01:19:38,200 --> 01:19:41,200
Speaker 2: but some data centers consume up to five million gallons

1731
01:19:41,240 --> 01:19:43,360
Speaker 2: of water a day. That's about enough for a town

1732
01:19:43,400 --> 01:19:46,479
Speaker 2: of about fifty thousand people, which is an incredible amount

1733
01:19:46,479 --> 01:19:50,439
Speaker 2: of resources dedicated to keeping power that little thing in

1734
01:19:50,520 --> 01:19:52,960
Speaker 2: our hands. Right with AI and infrastrate and information the

1735
01:19:53,040 --> 01:19:55,280
Speaker 2: data center right a tremendous amount of polage.

1736
01:19:56,600 --> 01:19:58,559
Speaker 6: We should also be careful. Some of this is data

1737
01:19:58,640 --> 01:20:02,040
Speaker 6: center speculation. It's a bubble that converse and some of

1738
01:20:02,120 --> 01:20:05,600
Speaker 6: the data center companies are planning to build one or

1739
01:20:05,680 --> 01:20:10,439
Speaker 6: two data centers, but they're filing redundant applications in the

1740
01:20:10,520 --> 01:20:14,200
Speaker 6: Great Plain States, in our region, in the Northeast, in

1741
01:20:14,320 --> 01:20:17,400
Speaker 6: the Southeast, and they're racing to figure out who gets

1742
01:20:17,560 --> 01:20:21,160
Speaker 6: gives them their permit first. So they're not building ten,

1743
01:20:21,800 --> 01:20:25,160
Speaker 6: they're only building two. And all of us are scrambling

1744
01:20:25,200 --> 01:20:27,080
Speaker 6: and saying, oh my gosh, we have to add all

1745
01:20:27,160 --> 01:20:32,160
Speaker 6: this power. So there's an important double checking process that

1746
01:20:32,240 --> 01:20:34,440
Speaker 6: we need to do to make sure we're not overbuilding.

1747
01:20:35,080 --> 01:20:38,320
Speaker 6: But one consumer who is in Ohio and talked to

1748
01:20:38,800 --> 01:20:42,000
Speaker 6: the Cleveland Plain dealers, let me get this straight. Data

1749
01:20:42,120 --> 01:20:46,920
Speaker 6: centers are increasing my bill today and I didn't do

1750
01:20:47,080 --> 01:20:51,200
Speaker 6: anything to invite them here, and yet their costs are

1751
01:20:51,320 --> 01:20:53,920
Speaker 6: already affecting me. This is one more example of where

1752
01:20:54,160 --> 01:20:57,200
Speaker 6: business costs get dumped onto Bob and Betty Buckeye and

1753
01:20:57,280 --> 01:20:58,559
Speaker 6: they privatize the games.

1754
01:21:00,080 --> 01:21:02,640
Speaker 2: What's real, quick, Tom, what's happening with for example, I

1755
01:21:02,680 --> 01:21:04,920
Speaker 2: mentioned you know they're getting pulling permits and getting ready

1756
01:21:04,920 --> 01:21:07,960
Speaker 2: to build what's going on the Columbus Intel plant, because

1757
01:21:08,000 --> 01:21:10,200
Speaker 2: that's still not where they promised to be this point,

1758
01:21:10,520 --> 01:21:13,120
Speaker 2: we're pushing operations back another five or six years.

1759
01:21:13,160 --> 01:21:18,519
Speaker 6: Are I I think that's right. I know that the

1760
01:21:18,640 --> 01:21:22,120
Speaker 6: governor and even the White House has been working to

1761
01:21:22,800 --> 01:21:28,320
Speaker 6: continue getting Intel to move forward on the project. There's

1762
01:21:28,400 --> 01:21:34,120
Speaker 6: such enormous amounts of money involved that you're going to

1763
01:21:34,439 --> 01:21:38,200
Speaker 6: have to have some federal supports for what's called the

1764
01:21:38,320 --> 01:21:42,200
Speaker 6: Chips Act. But that was a change between the previous

1765
01:21:42,240 --> 01:21:46,760
Speaker 6: administration the current one. So I tend to think that

1766
01:21:47,760 --> 01:21:52,280
Speaker 6: it's important for Ohio to pursue and implement these kinds

1767
01:21:52,320 --> 01:21:56,160
Speaker 6: of facilities. But you also for you know, we speak

1768
01:21:56,240 --> 01:22:00,559
Speaker 6: for small residential consumers. So the point you've been making

1769
01:22:00,800 --> 01:22:02,880
Speaker 6: in this conversation a longer than good ones, which is,

1770
01:22:03,240 --> 01:22:07,080
Speaker 6: as you build these very large factories for very large

1771
01:22:07,160 --> 01:22:10,000
Speaker 6: enner consumers, kind to make sure the way that the

1772
01:22:10,720 --> 01:22:15,719
Speaker 6: grid infrastructure is paid for doesn't get dumped onto the daghbles.

1773
01:22:15,800 --> 01:22:18,639
Speaker 6: It's like you'll dump your leaves over your back fence

1774
01:22:19,200 --> 01:22:22,439
Speaker 6: into your neighbor's yard. But that financially happens all the

1775
01:22:22,600 --> 01:22:26,000
Speaker 6: time in the world of utilities, and it shouldn't happen.

1776
01:22:26,360 --> 01:22:28,080
Speaker 6: That's why groups like cars try to speak up to

1777
01:22:28,120 --> 01:22:28,960
Speaker 6: the little guy.

1778
01:22:29,280 --> 01:22:31,920
Speaker 2: How hard is it too, Tom, Because it's always there

1779
01:22:32,040 --> 01:22:34,920
Speaker 2: is the effort to get cleaner power, and we need

1780
01:22:34,960 --> 01:22:37,800
Speaker 2: more and more of it is it odds with infrastructure

1781
01:22:37,800 --> 01:22:40,880
Speaker 2: building infrastructure because there's right of ways. I mean, look

1782
01:22:40,920 --> 01:22:43,599
Speaker 2: what happened with the Keystone XL pipeline getting shut down.

1783
01:22:43,680 --> 01:22:46,759
Speaker 2: It's a lot more efficient, easier, and safer than taking

1784
01:22:46,840 --> 01:22:48,599
Speaker 2: all of that fuel that we need and putting out

1785
01:22:48,640 --> 01:22:50,519
Speaker 2: on rail cars where they can. You know, look what

1786
01:22:50,640 --> 01:22:53,080
Speaker 2: happened in Ohio, not just a few handful of years ago,

1787
01:22:53,960 --> 01:22:56,400
Speaker 2: and that's transporting stuff over rail, which is a lot

1788
01:22:56,439 --> 01:22:58,720
Speaker 2: more dangerous and inefficient in the system. What about the

1789
01:22:59,000 --> 01:23:02,160
Speaker 2: environmental push back from all this, Is that slowing things

1790
01:23:02,200 --> 01:23:03,360
Speaker 2: up at that that's cost those money?

1791
01:23:04,600 --> 01:23:09,479
Speaker 6: I don't think so. I think there are land used

1792
01:23:09,560 --> 01:23:14,840
Speaker 6: questions anytime into power infrastructure, and that's also true if

1793
01:23:14,840 --> 01:23:18,639
Speaker 6: you build a subdivision or a shopping wall. Government has

1794
01:23:18,720 --> 01:23:22,280
Speaker 6: to be thoughtful about how it balances the most competing

1795
01:23:22,400 --> 01:23:27,280
Speaker 6: interest between the new development and the neighbors. Clean energy

1796
01:23:27,520 --> 01:23:30,960
Speaker 6: like wind and solar is increasingly the cheapest on the market.

1797
01:23:31,960 --> 01:23:34,400
Speaker 6: If you marry it up with battery storage, then it

1798
01:23:34,439 --> 01:23:37,680
Speaker 6: can provide you more of around the clock twenty four

1799
01:23:37,720 --> 01:23:41,479
Speaker 6: to seven solution, especially if you think of it not

1800
01:23:42,320 --> 01:23:46,040
Speaker 6: at one store or one house, but on an average

1801
01:23:46,040 --> 01:23:50,960
Speaker 6: across a statewide region. So if you think of Ohio, Illinois,

1802
01:23:51,479 --> 01:23:54,880
Speaker 6: Indiana together, the wind is always blowing somewhere and the

1803
01:23:54,960 --> 01:23:57,600
Speaker 6: sun is always shining somewhere. So in the aggregate, you

1804
01:23:57,720 --> 01:24:01,960
Speaker 6: could add a lot of inexpensive power to add to

1805
01:24:02,080 --> 01:24:06,000
Speaker 6: the mix of more expensive power sources than are traditional

1806
01:24:06,080 --> 01:24:10,560
Speaker 6: baseload like nuclear or natural gas. But what you have

1807
01:24:10,760 --> 01:24:14,559
Speaker 6: to do is let one hundred companies or a thousand

1808
01:24:14,640 --> 01:24:19,600
Speaker 6: companies make their everyday economic decisions and investment decisions, and

1809
01:24:19,800 --> 01:24:23,960
Speaker 6: collectively that market will be more intelligent and less expensive

1810
01:24:24,520 --> 01:24:27,519
Speaker 6: than a governor or a president trying to put his

1811
01:24:27,680 --> 01:24:31,000
Speaker 6: or her thumb on the scale. You know. I mean,

1812
01:24:31,520 --> 01:24:33,439
Speaker 6: it's amazing to me that we have to even explain

1813
01:24:33,520 --> 01:24:35,360
Speaker 6: this in a country that's supposed to be a free

1814
01:24:35,439 --> 01:24:36,160
Speaker 6: market capitalist.

1815
01:24:37,040 --> 01:24:40,680
Speaker 2: The people who complain about socialism practice socialism themselves. The

1816
01:24:40,720 --> 01:24:42,920
Speaker 2: people who like socialism want more socialism.

1817
01:24:44,040 --> 01:24:46,320
Speaker 6: Well, there's some truth to what you just said, and

1818
01:24:46,640 --> 01:24:50,160
Speaker 6: there's a hypocrisy in all directions. And all of us

1819
01:24:50,240 --> 01:24:52,120
Speaker 6: live in glasshouses, so I should be careful about the

1820
01:24:52,160 --> 01:24:55,720
Speaker 6: stones I throw. But I guess because the prices are

1821
01:24:55,880 --> 01:24:59,960
Speaker 6: going up. There's a survey that said from last week

1822
01:25:00,200 --> 01:25:03,799
Speaker 6: National Survey, thirty four percent of American's sake, electricity prices

1823
01:25:03,880 --> 01:25:06,840
Speaker 6: are a major concern. That's high. Forty percent think it's

1824
01:25:06,880 --> 01:25:09,559
Speaker 6: a minor concern. This is on our radar and it's

1825
01:25:09,600 --> 01:25:14,160
Speaker 6: not going to go away. And yes, data centers are

1826
01:25:14,280 --> 01:25:19,280
Speaker 6: kind of the first stage of forcing prices up, but

1827
01:25:19,360 --> 01:25:21,479
Speaker 6: there's all these other pressures. For the next twenty years,

1828
01:25:21,720 --> 01:25:24,000
Speaker 6: I think it's going to be increasingly concerned, So we're

1829
01:25:24,000 --> 01:25:27,479
Speaker 6: going to be spending more time thinking about it. You

1830
01:25:27,600 --> 01:25:30,240
Speaker 6: do have solutions on your end. You can insulate your

1831
01:25:30,320 --> 01:25:33,719
Speaker 6: home air seal of a calking gun. That's nineteen forties

1832
01:25:33,760 --> 01:25:36,400
Speaker 6: technology that's not new, are expensive. You just got to

1833
01:25:36,479 --> 01:25:39,840
Speaker 6: do it. But none of us do that perfectly. But

1834
01:25:39,960 --> 01:25:43,840
Speaker 6: we can help ourselves. And then new technology is not

1835
01:25:44,000 --> 01:25:46,880
Speaker 6: everything has to be a giant megaplant. You could do

1836
01:25:47,479 --> 01:25:51,719
Speaker 6: something on your home or business. There's medium tier facilities

1837
01:25:51,760 --> 01:25:55,000
Speaker 6: we're working on. So let's say it's on twenty acres

1838
01:25:55,080 --> 01:25:58,160
Speaker 6: forty acres or an industrial roof. You could put solar,

1839
01:25:58,360 --> 01:26:02,040
Speaker 6: or you could do parts solar, part battery, part natural gas,

1840
01:26:02,560 --> 01:26:05,840
Speaker 6: like a microgrid hybrid system. And then it can be

1841
01:26:06,040 --> 01:26:09,799
Speaker 6: back up emergency power for a facility or a factory

1842
01:26:09,840 --> 01:26:10,280
Speaker 6: that has.

1843
01:26:10,200 --> 01:26:12,800
Speaker 2: To run it all but Tom a little bit about

1844
01:26:12,800 --> 01:26:15,720
Speaker 2: that business. That's an expensive outlay, and sometimes you know,

1845
01:26:15,800 --> 01:26:17,360
Speaker 2: you get an agreement where they put it on quote

1846
01:26:17,400 --> 01:26:19,400
Speaker 2: unquote for free. But the veig on that what you're

1847
01:26:19,439 --> 01:26:22,840
Speaker 2: paying an interest basis of payback is pretty extreme. That

1848
01:26:23,000 --> 01:26:25,280
Speaker 2: that might be good if you have that upfront cash

1849
01:26:25,600 --> 01:26:27,720
Speaker 2: or the math works for you, but right now for

1850
01:26:27,800 --> 01:26:28,759
Speaker 2: most people that doesn't.

1851
01:26:31,040 --> 01:26:33,439
Speaker 6: Well, if you're talking about a business, it's probably easier

1852
01:26:33,479 --> 01:26:36,320
Speaker 6: to get there, true, and it depends if your business

1853
01:26:36,439 --> 01:26:39,479
Speaker 6: is energy intents of like many family owned businesses in

1854
01:26:39,600 --> 01:26:43,479
Speaker 6: Ohio or manufacturing businesses where energy is their second most

1855
01:26:43,560 --> 01:26:48,679
Speaker 6: expensive category after labor, so they pay very careful attention

1856
01:26:48,920 --> 01:26:53,439
Speaker 6: already to that. So you're right, some businesses it will

1857
01:26:53,479 --> 01:26:55,280
Speaker 6: be easier to get there than the other's. Hospitals are

1858
01:26:55,320 --> 01:26:58,120
Speaker 6: a good use. Even school systems that have let's say

1859
01:26:58,240 --> 01:27:01,160
Speaker 6: five elementary schools to middle school to high school, you

1860
01:27:01,240 --> 01:27:04,880
Speaker 6: could aggregate all that power draw and then feed it

1861
01:27:04,960 --> 01:27:07,720
Speaker 6: with a virtual net metering system that might be in

1862
01:27:07,800 --> 01:27:11,639
Speaker 6: the next county over. Yeah, So I think what you'll

1863
01:27:11,680 --> 01:27:15,400
Speaker 6: find is, even if you don't power all of the needs,

1864
01:27:15,600 --> 01:27:18,320
Speaker 6: you could do a portion of it, and then that

1865
01:27:18,680 --> 01:27:22,120
Speaker 6: gives you a long term, low price, stable contract, and

1866
01:27:22,240 --> 01:27:25,559
Speaker 6: so your financial people can say, we're in a better

1867
01:27:25,680 --> 01:27:28,439
Speaker 6: position to have control over our bills and our risks,

1868
01:27:28,960 --> 01:27:31,720
Speaker 6: and we can plan for the future better. Some of

1869
01:27:31,800 --> 01:27:33,960
Speaker 6: the power will buy from the traditional grid, but some

1870
01:27:34,280 --> 01:27:37,200
Speaker 6: will get from these other systems, so you have options

1871
01:27:37,360 --> 01:27:40,000
Speaker 6: and nobody should be forced to do this. But I

1872
01:27:40,240 --> 01:27:42,559
Speaker 6: kind of do think we're going to enter a new

1873
01:27:42,760 --> 01:27:46,040
Speaker 6: era where we're thinking more about electricity than.

1874
01:27:45,960 --> 01:27:49,880
Speaker 2: We fear is my favor, I'm out of time, But

1875
01:27:50,240 --> 01:27:52,000
Speaker 2: my fear is there's going to be, like anything we

1876
01:27:52,040 --> 01:27:55,000
Speaker 2: don't do anything proactively, do it reactively, there's going to

1877
01:27:55,040 --> 01:27:57,240
Speaker 2: be some sort of energy nine to eleven where our

1878
01:27:57,320 --> 01:27:59,960
Speaker 2: grid shutdown will be a crisis before anyone goes back.

1879
01:28:00,120 --> 01:28:01,720
Speaker 2: We got to do something about this. That's just what

1880
01:28:01,840 --> 01:28:02,679
Speaker 2: we do in America.

1881
01:28:03,479 --> 01:28:06,599
Speaker 6: I think we don't inspect a bridge until bridge.

1882
01:28:07,000 --> 01:28:10,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, we need a light at this intersection because

1883
01:28:10,360 --> 01:28:11,840
Speaker 2: some kids are going to get hit on their bike.

1884
01:28:11,840 --> 01:28:14,080
Speaker 2: Don't worry about it. Kid gets on a bike. Politicians

1885
01:28:14,120 --> 01:28:18,040
Speaker 2: out there, why don't we have a stoplight. I think

1886
01:28:18,720 --> 01:28:22,200
Speaker 2: I'm a big proponent and fascinated by many nuclear reactors,

1887
01:28:22,240 --> 01:28:25,400
Speaker 2: small nuclear reactors to power those AI facilities just have

1888
01:28:25,560 --> 01:28:28,760
Speaker 2: it on board. And the problem, of course, I think

1889
01:28:28,840 --> 01:28:32,160
Speaker 2: House Bill six and the first energy scandal ruined nuclear

1890
01:28:32,160 --> 01:28:32,920
Speaker 2: in the state of Ohio.

1891
01:28:35,680 --> 01:28:40,639
Speaker 6: I would I would say there's still possibilities there. It's

1892
01:28:40,800 --> 01:28:44,920
Speaker 6: very expensive, but there could be some business use cases

1893
01:28:45,080 --> 01:28:49,240
Speaker 6: for it, including your data centers. Uh yeah, it's kind

1894
01:28:49,240 --> 01:28:51,439
Speaker 6: of always like, well, twenty years in the future, it'll

1895
01:28:51,479 --> 01:28:53,439
Speaker 6: be it'll be ready. Maybe it's ten years in the future,

1896
01:28:53,560 --> 01:28:56,200
Speaker 6: we'll see, I mean, all options on the table. But

1897
01:28:56,320 --> 01:29:00,240
Speaker 6: some of these data centers may indeed be uh good

1898
01:29:00,560 --> 01:29:03,360
Speaker 6: category for using that. I'm hearing three Mile Island in

1899
01:29:03,400 --> 01:29:05,120
Speaker 6: New York is going to be reopened by the end

1900
01:29:05,160 --> 01:29:06,280
Speaker 6: of the data center something like that.

1901
01:29:06,320 --> 01:29:06,759
Speaker 2: In trouble.

1902
01:29:08,000 --> 01:29:13,120
Speaker 6: So, though, some of those super intensive, high price and

1903
01:29:13,240 --> 01:29:15,479
Speaker 6: they've got to have the power and they can't build

1904
01:29:16,240 --> 01:29:19,000
Speaker 6: risk or grip cutting out of them, they made do

1905
01:29:19,200 --> 01:29:19,720
Speaker 6: things like that.

1906
01:29:20,280 --> 01:29:22,400
Speaker 2: I think that's fascinating. I means to set in that

1907
01:29:22,520 --> 01:29:25,000
Speaker 2: direction that you could have a reactor the size of

1908
01:29:25,040 --> 01:29:27,519
Speaker 2: I don't know, a filing cabinet or a toaster, and

1909
01:29:27,640 --> 01:29:30,920
Speaker 2: that would power a subdivision or a fact or something

1910
01:29:30,920 --> 01:29:33,400
Speaker 2: along those lines, and that's essentially send it back into

1911
01:29:33,439 --> 01:29:35,479
Speaker 2: the company that makes and get a new one, kind

1912
01:29:35,520 --> 01:29:38,240
Speaker 2: of like a battery pack. But Tom Bullock, Executive Director

1913
01:29:38,240 --> 01:29:39,960
Speaker 2: of Citizens, you're tell me bortiblell have then and keep

1914
01:29:39,960 --> 01:29:41,439
Speaker 2: the call plants open because of the demand, and we

1915
01:29:41,479 --> 01:29:43,240
Speaker 2: don't have altered solutions. We got to wait for the

1916
01:29:43,240 --> 01:29:45,360
Speaker 2: sky to fall before we do anything. I think that

1917
01:29:45,560 --> 01:29:48,519
Speaker 2: is the too long, didn't read versionless conversation. But I

1918
01:29:48,640 --> 01:29:51,040
Speaker 2: appreciate your time again this morning, Tom, Thanks again.

1919
01:29:52,200 --> 01:29:53,360
Speaker 6: Let's talk some more. Thank you.

1920
01:29:53,800 --> 01:29:56,240
Speaker 2: We'll get a news update in this rainy Thursday morning.

1921
01:29:56,240 --> 01:29:58,439
Speaker 2: Good news is that's headed out and sunshine back in

1922
01:29:58,520 --> 01:30:01,040
Speaker 2: store for a trick or treating tomorrow. So full news update.

1923
01:30:01,120 --> 01:30:03,000
Speaker 2: Lot to catch up on wife jumps in the show

1924
01:30:03,040 --> 01:30:04,160
Speaker 2: next year. Seven hundred w.

1925
01:30:04,200 --> 01:30:10,640
Speaker 1: Worad Jeez, the Princess of Property, the Queen of Closings,

1926
01:30:11,360 --> 01:30:16,439
Speaker 1: but Duchess out Deals. It's realistic time with Michelle Sloan

1927
01:30:17,280 --> 01:30:21,599
Speaker 1: all Hail, the bestest Remax time agent I've ever met.

1928
01:30:21,880 --> 01:30:25,160
Speaker 2: On seven hundred wl W. Good morning, how are you?

1929
01:30:26,520 --> 01:30:27,200
Speaker 4: It's a morning?

1930
01:30:27,800 --> 01:30:32,840
Speaker 2: It really is something else. It's I'm physical this morning,

1931
01:30:32,920 --> 01:30:35,080
Speaker 2: so I left for physicals. I did get a blood

1932
01:30:35,120 --> 01:30:37,760
Speaker 2: drop for my annual physical and got to the blood

1933
01:30:37,800 --> 01:30:40,639
Speaker 2: place at Montgomery Road, christ Hospital, which normally does good work.

1934
01:30:40,680 --> 01:30:42,960
Speaker 2: And seven o'clock and there's people behind me. I'm the

1935
01:30:42,960 --> 01:30:44,439
Speaker 2: first one there. I thought, okay, good, I got to

1936
01:30:44,439 --> 01:30:47,120
Speaker 2: get in. I got a bunch of stuff to do. Yeah,

1937
01:30:47,200 --> 01:30:50,120
Speaker 2: that person, we don't know where they are, so we'll.

1938
01:30:49,960 --> 01:30:50,800
Speaker 4: Probably never show.

1939
01:30:50,920 --> 01:30:54,559
Speaker 2: Never showed. So oh maybe we'ping like seven thirty, well

1940
01:30:54,640 --> 01:30:56,439
Speaker 2: maybe like seven forty. And they had one person. There

1941
01:30:56,600 --> 01:30:57,920
Speaker 2: was like three thousand people.

1942
01:30:59,360 --> 01:31:00,800
Speaker 4: Oh no, that's not good.

1943
01:31:00,920 --> 01:31:04,519
Speaker 5: Somebody's somebody's going to get is already either chewed out,

1944
01:31:04,680 --> 01:31:05,360
Speaker 5: fired or.

1945
01:31:05,800 --> 01:31:07,960
Speaker 2: No, probably not. It's just the way the economy is.

1946
01:31:08,000 --> 01:31:10,679
Speaker 2: I guess I don't know. And then traffic, of course

1947
01:31:10,840 --> 01:31:12,880
Speaker 2: was But I will say this. Can I goff on

1948
01:31:12,960 --> 01:31:15,000
Speaker 2: a little bit of a rant here for SI please?

1949
01:31:15,200 --> 01:31:19,439
Speaker 2: You know we're almost a because you're almost to that age. Okay, listen,

1950
01:31:19,520 --> 01:31:21,320
Speaker 2: this is like one of those progressive commercials, and those

1951
01:31:21,360 --> 01:31:24,639
Speaker 2: progressive commercials hit because it's so true that don't become

1952
01:31:24,680 --> 01:31:25,040
Speaker 2: your parents.

1953
01:31:25,200 --> 01:31:26,080
Speaker 4: Don't become your parents.

1954
01:31:26,200 --> 01:31:29,479
Speaker 2: Absolutely, if you're a senior citizen, if you're retired, and

1955
01:31:29,600 --> 01:31:31,439
Speaker 2: your joy you've got you know, you've worked your whole life,

1956
01:31:31,520 --> 01:31:34,240
Speaker 2: raised a family, Uh, did everything you're supposed to do.

1957
01:31:34,320 --> 01:31:36,080
Speaker 2: God bless you. I want to be there someday myself,

1958
01:31:36,280 --> 01:31:37,800
Speaker 2: but could you please, to the love of God, you

1959
01:31:37,920 --> 01:31:39,600
Speaker 2: don't need to be the first person in line at

1960
01:31:39,640 --> 01:31:41,240
Speaker 2: seven o'clock and born in the place. There are people

1961
01:31:41,280 --> 01:31:43,280
Speaker 2: that work that got to get to work, So why

1962
01:31:43,320 --> 01:31:44,840
Speaker 2: don't you wait till later in the day to do that.

1963
01:31:45,080 --> 01:31:47,880
Speaker 4: Oh you're saying that people that aren't working.

1964
01:31:48,320 --> 01:31:51,400
Speaker 2: Correct, It should be people like okay, I got to

1965
01:31:51,400 --> 01:31:53,280
Speaker 2: get to work by you know, some people at nine o'clock.

1966
01:31:53,280 --> 01:31:56,599
Speaker 2: I'm a little olwer than that. Obviously. They're just saying,

1967
01:31:56,640 --> 01:31:58,599
Speaker 2: you know, and here's your dad in my When I'm older,

1968
01:31:58,600 --> 01:31:59,920
Speaker 2: I'm not going to be the first guy in line,

1969
01:32:00,000 --> 01:32:02,680
Speaker 2: because you know, my prostates kept me on. I wake

1970
01:32:02,760 --> 01:32:03,439
Speaker 2: up at three am.

1971
01:32:04,400 --> 01:32:07,080
Speaker 4: Wet just a t If you're.

1972
01:32:07,000 --> 01:32:11,240
Speaker 5: My dad and he's whatever, eighty years old, he's going

1973
01:32:11,320 --> 01:32:14,000
Speaker 5: to be the first one in line. You have to

1974
01:32:14,080 --> 01:32:17,439
Speaker 5: do in the first few at church, he is in

1975
01:32:17,560 --> 01:32:20,360
Speaker 5: the first one in line because he's up at three am.

1976
01:32:20,439 --> 01:32:22,000
Speaker 4: He goes to bed at five pm.

1977
01:32:23,760 --> 01:32:27,240
Speaker 2: Man, man, you don't need to be there that early.

1978
01:32:27,400 --> 01:32:29,720
Speaker 2: I got the right. I want to waste the whole day.

1979
01:32:29,800 --> 01:32:30,840
Speaker 6: What is it you have to do.

1980
01:32:30,960 --> 01:32:32,920
Speaker 2: That's so damn important. You're retired. You could do it

1981
01:32:33,000 --> 01:32:34,080
Speaker 2: anything you want or nothing.

1982
01:32:34,640 --> 01:32:37,360
Speaker 4: If I start going to bed at five pm, seriously, just.

1983
01:32:37,800 --> 01:32:39,200
Speaker 2: Well, you're getting closer.

1984
01:32:41,240 --> 01:32:41,479
Speaker 6: Thirty.

1985
01:32:41,600 --> 01:32:43,439
Speaker 2: Last night, she's in bed. What are you doing?

1986
01:32:43,760 --> 01:32:47,400
Speaker 4: It was cold. I wanted to get under the covers

1987
01:32:47,479 --> 01:32:48,479
Speaker 4: and snuggle.

1988
01:32:48,560 --> 01:32:50,240
Speaker 2: And now by the time I came to bed, you

1989
01:32:50,360 --> 01:32:52,400
Speaker 2: got the blanket, all the blankets, and the dog got

1990
01:32:52,560 --> 01:32:54,320
Speaker 2: up and try to pick him up. He's growling at you.

1991
01:32:54,439 --> 01:32:56,639
Speaker 2: He's like, I'm trying to get my bitch. I'm trying

1992
01:32:56,640 --> 01:33:03,479
Speaker 2: to sleep too. I stole your all right, all right, Well,

1993
01:33:04,040 --> 01:33:06,280
Speaker 2: so that was the day so far, so hopefull. Everyone's

1994
01:33:06,320 --> 01:33:07,559
Speaker 2: you know, if you're stuck on that traffic and.

1995
01:33:07,600 --> 01:33:10,200
Speaker 4: Stuff to do right now, everything should be you know,

1996
01:33:11,479 --> 01:33:11,840
Speaker 4: rocket and.

1997
01:33:11,960 --> 01:33:15,080
Speaker 2: Roll should be calm. All right. So let's jump into

1998
01:33:15,120 --> 01:33:17,559
Speaker 2: this real quick. Here we have a FED rate cut.

1999
01:33:17,680 --> 01:33:20,280
Speaker 2: What does actually mean for people? I think are thinking like, wow,

2000
01:33:20,320 --> 01:33:22,200
Speaker 2: this is going to go back to three percent sometimes so.

2001
01:33:22,520 --> 01:33:26,720
Speaker 5: Right, and there is people are posting on social My

2002
01:33:26,880 --> 01:33:28,640
Speaker 5: lender said it's going to be three percent by the

2003
01:33:28,760 --> 01:33:29,280
Speaker 5: end of the year.

2004
01:33:29,439 --> 01:33:32,080
Speaker 4: Don't do anything until then. Blah blah. That is a

2005
01:33:32,160 --> 01:33:32,880
Speaker 4: bunch of bees.

2006
01:33:33,400 --> 01:33:35,280
Speaker 2: I wonder tell you that they want to get their money.

2007
01:33:35,400 --> 01:33:38,880
Speaker 5: I don't know who's telling who what. But the Fed

2008
01:33:39,000 --> 01:33:41,800
Speaker 5: cut the fat cut it's benchmark federal funds rate by

2009
01:33:41,840 --> 01:33:45,960
Speaker 5: a quarter percent. This was expected. Okay, the markets have

2010
01:33:46,040 --> 01:33:49,839
Speaker 5: already expected this cut. They've already you know, we've already

2011
01:33:50,280 --> 01:33:55,000
Speaker 5: baked that into the cake. So mortgage rates are likely

2012
01:33:55,240 --> 01:33:58,040
Speaker 5: to you know, they've already come down a little bit.

2013
01:33:58,360 --> 01:34:01,320
Speaker 5: They're not too six percent at we're like six point

2014
01:34:01,439 --> 01:34:03,880
Speaker 5: one three, depending on your credit.

2015
01:34:04,400 --> 01:34:06,640
Speaker 4: It's still really good. It's better than it was.

2016
01:34:06,800 --> 01:34:08,559
Speaker 5: You know, we were at seven, we were at seven

2017
01:34:08,640 --> 01:34:10,599
Speaker 5: and a quarter an hour at six and a quarter,

2018
01:34:10,720 --> 01:34:13,519
Speaker 5: let's say. And so if that's for a thirty year

2019
01:34:13,640 --> 01:34:16,439
Speaker 5: fixed rate, you can get a lower rate if you

2020
01:34:16,600 --> 01:34:18,800
Speaker 5: buy down the rate. There are ways for you to

2021
01:34:18,960 --> 01:34:21,519
Speaker 5: get that lower rate, but.

2022
01:34:21,960 --> 01:34:24,360
Speaker 4: You have to pay for it. So that's just stuff

2023
01:34:24,439 --> 01:34:25,000
Speaker 4: to figure out.

2024
01:34:25,400 --> 01:34:28,759
Speaker 5: It doesn't automatically when the Fed cuts the rate, everybody

2025
01:34:28,840 --> 01:34:29,879
Speaker 5: in their mind says.

2026
01:34:29,720 --> 01:34:32,640
Speaker 4: Oh, yay, mortgage rates are going to go down. No,

2027
01:34:32,800 --> 01:34:34,360
Speaker 4: that's not the that's not the case.

2028
01:34:34,840 --> 01:34:39,720
Speaker 5: Doesn't automatically translate into a equal quarter point drop in

2029
01:34:40,040 --> 01:34:43,760
Speaker 5: mortgage rates. It's it's the short term policy rate. It

2030
01:34:43,880 --> 01:34:46,960
Speaker 5: affects all kinds of things, ten year treasury bonds and

2031
01:34:47,000 --> 01:34:48,360
Speaker 5: things that I don't even know about.

2032
01:34:48,920 --> 01:34:49,240
Speaker 6: And so.

2033
01:34:50,840 --> 01:34:54,760
Speaker 5: It's good news, that's for sure. But it doesn't do

2034
01:34:55,000 --> 01:34:58,599
Speaker 5: like equal parts lowering our mortgage rate.

2035
01:34:58,800 --> 01:35:00,280
Speaker 4: So that's what you just need to know.

2036
01:35:00,760 --> 01:35:04,640
Speaker 5: If you're buying or refinancing, there is going to be

2037
01:35:05,640 --> 01:35:09,880
Speaker 5: a benefit to that. And so if you have to refinance,

2038
01:35:09,920 --> 01:35:12,120
Speaker 5: if you are one of the people who a year

2039
01:35:12,160 --> 01:35:15,080
Speaker 5: ago we said, okay, if you find your perfect house

2040
01:35:15,280 --> 01:35:17,840
Speaker 5: and you have the high rate, guess what, when the

2041
01:35:17,960 --> 01:35:21,639
Speaker 5: rate goes down, you can refinance. That's what's happening right now,

2042
01:35:22,160 --> 01:35:24,040
Speaker 5: and we are seeing more and more of that. So

2043
01:35:24,320 --> 01:35:28,960
Speaker 5: that came true when when all the real estate agents

2044
01:35:29,000 --> 01:35:31,400
Speaker 5: out there said, go ahead, you can buy a house

2045
01:35:31,640 --> 01:35:34,800
Speaker 5: as long as you can afford it, you can refinance. Okay,

2046
01:35:35,360 --> 01:35:37,920
Speaker 5: that's we're getting into that territory. If you have a

2047
01:35:38,000 --> 01:35:42,880
Speaker 5: full point difference, you may want to look into refinancing.

2048
01:35:43,080 --> 01:35:44,320
Speaker 4: So that's that's a good thing.

2049
01:35:44,439 --> 01:35:47,960
Speaker 2: Got it all right, But somebody hear that and go, well,

2050
01:35:47,960 --> 01:35:50,080
Speaker 2: I keep hearing there's gonna be another quarter point cut,

2051
01:35:50,120 --> 01:35:53,200
Speaker 2: another code there is, And again I'll just sit and wait.

2052
01:35:53,840 --> 01:35:54,479
Speaker 4: You can wait.

2053
01:35:54,760 --> 01:35:57,280
Speaker 5: But we're at six point one point three right now.

2054
01:35:57,600 --> 01:36:00,280
Speaker 5: It might get to six, it may get to five

2055
01:36:00,360 --> 01:36:04,240
Speaker 5: point ninety nine. That's probably not going to make the

2056
01:36:04,360 --> 01:36:08,880
Speaker 5: biggest of difference in your monthly mortgage. It really isn't.

2057
01:36:08,960 --> 01:36:13,000
Speaker 5: Those teeny tiny little tenths of a point is not

2058
01:36:13,120 --> 01:36:15,439
Speaker 5: gonna make that. It's gonna be like twenty dollars or

2059
01:36:15,720 --> 01:36:19,840
Speaker 5: thirty dollars, maybe maybe fifty bucks. And again, if it

2060
01:36:19,920 --> 01:36:22,240
Speaker 5: ever goes to that, it's never gonna get time. I'm

2061
01:36:22,280 --> 01:36:24,200
Speaker 5: on a fixed income. I got to get up early

2062
01:36:24,280 --> 01:36:26,479
Speaker 5: to go to the doctor, and I'm fifty dollars.

2063
01:36:27,040 --> 01:36:28,320
Speaker 2: I might a fixed income.

2064
01:36:29,040 --> 01:36:29,960
Speaker 4: Well, I'm glad for you.

2065
01:36:31,920 --> 01:36:33,880
Speaker 2: Then you should know what This is a lot of money.

2066
01:36:34,120 --> 01:36:36,639
Speaker 5: Okay, But if you're in a fixed income and you've

2067
01:36:36,680 --> 01:36:38,960
Speaker 5: been in your home for twenty years, you shouldn't have

2068
01:36:39,080 --> 01:36:41,760
Speaker 5: a mortgage payment anyway. You should have had that thing

2069
01:36:41,920 --> 01:36:45,840
Speaker 5: paid off. You shouldn't have refinanced and borrowed the money

2070
01:36:45,920 --> 01:36:47,880
Speaker 5: against yourself a million times.

2071
01:36:47,960 --> 01:36:49,719
Speaker 4: Oh Jesus, sounds like my mom.

2072
01:36:49,640 --> 01:36:56,479
Speaker 2: No kidding, at eight thirty sounded like your mom, all right? Anyway,

2073
01:36:56,840 --> 01:36:59,200
Speaker 2: My wife Michelle Sloan here, not my mother in law,

2074
01:36:59,280 --> 01:37:02,080
Speaker 2: my wife Michelle's long on the show und wwill real

2075
01:37:02,120 --> 01:37:05,080
Speaker 2: estate check up, right, So we're getting rate cuts. But

2076
01:37:05,320 --> 01:37:06,800
Speaker 2: you know, here's the thing. You go, well, maybe I

2077
01:37:06,840 --> 01:37:08,240
Speaker 2: want to wait till little see if it gets down

2078
01:37:08,280 --> 01:37:10,080
Speaker 2: to five at some point. Now it could be another

2079
01:37:10,280 --> 01:37:11,519
Speaker 2: could be a year, could be longer.

2080
01:37:12,360 --> 01:37:14,599
Speaker 4: Yeah, now five. See again.

2081
01:37:14,680 --> 01:37:17,599
Speaker 5: I think you're pushing that territory that if you want

2082
01:37:17,680 --> 01:37:20,160
Speaker 5: to move, if you want to make a move, make

2083
01:37:20,200 --> 01:37:21,080
Speaker 5: a freaking move.

2084
01:37:21,280 --> 01:37:21,599
Speaker 4: Sorry.

2085
01:37:22,439 --> 01:37:27,479
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, it's it's all about living your life

2086
01:37:27,760 --> 01:37:28,479
Speaker 5: in the present.

2087
01:37:28,960 --> 01:37:30,840
Speaker 2: So how many things do you have left?

2088
01:37:31,360 --> 01:37:31,920
Speaker 4: Exactly?

2089
01:37:32,240 --> 01:37:34,280
Speaker 2: That's why I get at six o'clock in the morning

2090
01:37:34,479 --> 01:37:37,479
Speaker 2: to get my blood draw I don't know how many

2091
01:37:37,479 --> 01:37:38,360
Speaker 2: of these I have left.

2092
01:37:40,479 --> 01:37:42,360
Speaker 4: Yeah. So here's the thing.

2093
01:37:42,520 --> 01:37:44,680
Speaker 5: If you find a house that works for you and

2094
01:37:44,800 --> 01:37:48,120
Speaker 5: you can afford it at the current rate, I'm always

2095
01:37:48,240 --> 01:37:50,920
Speaker 5: going to advise you to go ahead and buy that

2096
01:37:51,160 --> 01:37:54,840
Speaker 5: home because that home may not come around. That home,

2097
01:37:55,479 --> 01:37:58,240
Speaker 5: the particular home that fits your needs, may not come

2098
01:37:58,320 --> 01:38:01,840
Speaker 5: around again for a very long time. I've had some

2099
01:38:02,040 --> 01:38:05,479
Speaker 5: people that have been looking in certain school districts for

2100
01:38:05,680 --> 01:38:09,760
Speaker 5: two years or more because they're looking for the unicorn,

2101
01:38:10,400 --> 01:38:13,600
Speaker 5: the needle in the haystack that doesn't come along. It

2102
01:38:13,720 --> 01:38:17,439
Speaker 5: may come along, but when you find it, boy, you

2103
01:38:17,560 --> 01:38:20,519
Speaker 5: better jump on it because you may not find it

2104
01:38:20,600 --> 01:38:21,080
Speaker 5: ever again.

2105
01:38:21,439 --> 01:38:23,080
Speaker 2: Also may have to compromise as well.

2106
01:38:23,160 --> 01:38:25,400
Speaker 5: And that's something well, that's the one thing, you know,

2107
01:38:25,520 --> 01:38:30,640
Speaker 5: you really people. Some people are just unwilling to compromise.

2108
01:38:31,360 --> 01:38:35,759
Speaker 5: And if you're unwilling to compromise, then you should build.

2109
01:38:36,600 --> 01:38:40,760
Speaker 5: And that's sort of where I will direct you. If

2110
01:38:40,840 --> 01:38:43,400
Speaker 5: I'm working with you and we cannot find the right

2111
01:38:43,479 --> 01:38:48,719
Speaker 5: house for you in a certain area, a certain school district,

2112
01:38:49,040 --> 01:38:53,439
Speaker 5: and you're gonna nitpick every single little tiny thing, Oh

2113
01:38:53,479 --> 01:38:55,840
Speaker 5: my gosh, you know there's a there's a tiny hole

2114
01:38:55,920 --> 01:38:59,000
Speaker 5: in the wall, or the sink drips, or this is

2115
01:38:59,120 --> 01:39:03,720
Speaker 5: old or whatever. You know what if it's a used home,

2116
01:39:03,920 --> 01:39:06,400
Speaker 5: if it's a home, it's not brand new, it's not

2117
01:39:06,640 --> 01:39:07,760
Speaker 5: going to be brand new.

2118
01:39:07,920 --> 01:39:09,360
Speaker 2: You just have to accept that.

2119
01:39:09,560 --> 01:39:13,639
Speaker 4: That's one thing. So and then there then if I say.

2120
01:39:13,479 --> 01:39:15,040
Speaker 2: If here's one that I you know, we just talked

2121
01:39:15,080 --> 01:39:17,080
Speaker 2: about this before, because we sold our house over the summer,

2122
01:39:17,160 --> 01:39:20,040
Speaker 2: and you did a great job. You're my favorite realtor

2123
01:39:20,439 --> 01:39:23,439
Speaker 2: and you got like got thirteen showings in one day

2124
01:39:23,520 --> 01:39:27,080
Speaker 2: and a handful of offers, so that was good. Yeah,

2125
01:39:27,120 --> 01:39:29,000
Speaker 2: but some people Again, you know that there's people and

2126
01:39:29,080 --> 01:39:31,439
Speaker 2: you have clients like this, and there's certain ethnicities that

2127
01:39:31,520 --> 01:39:33,080
Speaker 2: do this that the door has to be facing the

2128
01:39:33,160 --> 01:39:35,840
Speaker 2: right way. There's feng shuai, there's I don't know whether

2129
01:39:35,840 --> 01:39:38,519
Speaker 2: these super you know, rituals and all cultures have that.

2130
01:39:38,680 --> 01:39:40,960
Speaker 2: But you're like, you know, you've been looking for a

2131
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Speaker 2: house for two years. This is what perfectly except the

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Speaker 2: doors facing the wrong way, like, and you want to

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Speaker 2: get in the mason where the schools are really good

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01:39:47,400 --> 01:39:49,320
Speaker 2: because you have young kids. I mean, by the time

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Speaker 2: you get that and what you want, everyone's fighting for

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Speaker 2: that where the door is facing the right way. Your

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01:39:53,360 --> 01:39:56,400
Speaker 2: kids are going to be thirty, So you know, are

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Speaker 2: you you know what I mean, It's like you got

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01:39:58,720 --> 01:40:01,519
Speaker 2: to pull the trigger at some point or you just keep.

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Speaker 5: Renting, you know, if you're renting, If you keep renting,

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Speaker 5: and you know, we have I've had situations certainly I'd

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Speaker 5: like to buy a house, Okay, how much do you

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Speaker 5: want to spend?

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Speaker 4: How much are you able to spend? That kind of thing, and.

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Speaker 5: The numbers don't add up, and so there's there's a

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Speaker 5: combination of things. That's why when you hire a realtor,

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Speaker 5: which is what you are doing. You are hiring a

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Speaker 5: realtor to work with you. And the people that think

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01:40:27,840 --> 01:40:32,200
Speaker 5: they can just use realtors like I don't know, toilet paper,

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01:40:33,600 --> 01:40:36,040
Speaker 5: use them for a second and then throw them away

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01:40:37,400 --> 01:40:41,400
Speaker 5: not the best way, because you want to have a

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01:40:41,520 --> 01:40:45,599
Speaker 5: realtor who's going to work for you, with you together

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01:40:46,280 --> 01:40:48,960
Speaker 5: to come up with the solution to what you're looking for.

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01:40:49,760 --> 01:40:54,360
Speaker 5: And having and hiring an agent is very important part

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Speaker 5: of the process. There's a thousand there's actually thousands of

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01:40:57,880 --> 01:41:02,439
Speaker 5: us out there, and so choosing the one that fits

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01:41:02,880 --> 01:41:06,880
Speaker 5: your personality, who is available when you need them, and

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01:41:07,320 --> 01:41:10,600
Speaker 5: is open and honest and trustworthy. That's the kind of

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Speaker 5: agent that you want on your side every step of

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Speaker 5: the way.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, my wife, Michelle Sloan is that agent.

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Speaker 6: All right.

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Speaker 2: So we're getting to that time of year, the some

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01:41:20,040 --> 01:41:22,080
Speaker 2: pump starting to check out. We've talked about this before.

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Speaker 2: Make sure you check your some pump. That's something I

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Speaker 2: want to stress is you know, if that things, if

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Speaker 2: you're getting all this rain, it's not turning on, you

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Speaker 2: got to go down there and check it maybe and

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Speaker 2: hopefully you have you know, battery backup if you need it,

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Speaker 2: if you have a lot of that, because especially if

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Speaker 2: you have a finished basement. If not, you got an

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Speaker 2: indoor swimming pool, don't worry about it. Make sure the

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01:41:38,880 --> 01:41:40,760
Speaker 2: some pump's working. How you test that simply as get

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Speaker 2: a bucket of water and keep dumping it in there

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Speaker 2: until the float valve comes up, and then or you

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01:41:44,920 --> 01:41:46,400
Speaker 2: can put a little bit of water in there and

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Speaker 2: lift the little ball up of kind of like a toilet,

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Speaker 2: and it should engage and get all that water. If not,

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Speaker 2: you got to get a plumber over there and take

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Speaker 2: a look at that. Also, this is the weekend with

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Speaker 2: the time change. Got to mention the smoke detectors. And

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Speaker 2: also I'll throw this in there too, because you can

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Speaker 2: buy them with a combined thing, and you know people

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Speaker 2: have habits and while I don't need all that, get

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Speaker 2: the carbon monoxide detector. So many people die from carbon

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Speaker 2: monoxide poison, especially this time of year. Furnace kicks on.

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Speaker 2: Maybe you know there's insects or a bird built a nest,

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01:42:14,439 --> 01:42:16,800
Speaker 2: or a bat diet or something, all sorts of stuff

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Speaker 2: in that chimney or and that flu in the vent.

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Speaker 2: If it's blocked, it's gonna you know, it could kill

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Speaker 2: you and your family. So you can get a carbon

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Speaker 2: monoxide detector for like less than twenty bucks. You know,

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Speaker 2: put put it in and where they recommend it in

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Speaker 2: your house depending on can't get the details of exactly where,

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Speaker 2: not knowing what your house looks like, but you know

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Speaker 2: an inspector.

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Speaker 5: Will be looking for that. You know that over the years,

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Speaker 5: the it's changed and you only had to have one

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Speaker 5: outside of the bedroom. Now you're you're looking at wanting

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Speaker 5: to have a smoke detector in every single bedroom, right

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Speaker 5: so you know while things change, yeah, you don't.

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Speaker 4: That's the thing. You have to just be aware because

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Speaker 4: safety first, yeap.

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Speaker 2: If you first hit that, check your batteries, if you

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Speaker 2: still have the old fashioned smoke if those detectors still

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Speaker 2: have the batteries, because now they sell one in the

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Speaker 2: battery lasts like ten years. But even the higher the

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Speaker 2: wired ones that are daisy chained. You know, if you

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Speaker 2: can't tell when that smoke detector is that they won't

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Speaker 2: last forever. So you've got about ten years. You should

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Speaker 2: really consider replacing them because you'll get some false positives

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Speaker 2: like we have something that are older and you know,

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Speaker 2: when you cook, they go off. So I got to

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Speaker 2: change os and I'll put some newer carbon monoxide ones in.

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Speaker 4: How do you adjest that? Do I like put a

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Speaker 4: lighter up to it?

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Speaker 2: Oh? You simply well, no, you need just a little

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Speaker 2: smoke from a candle would do it. But you know,

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Speaker 2: typically ten years because dust collects on the sensors and

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Speaker 2: that and and you know you just want to make

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Speaker 2: sure God forbid you need it at work. So they're

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Speaker 2: really you think about it, Well, all the stuff he

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Speaker 2: spent our Hou, it's not that expensive. If they're more

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Speaker 2: than ten years older, should consider getting some new ones anyway,

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Speaker 2: just the PSA there for some safety, for some remodeling

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Speaker 2: safety from me. All right, my watch Michelle Sloan's Loan

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Speaker 2: and course catch the visual podcast as well on YouTube.

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Speaker 2: And she's over at Remax time in Mainville. All right, Love,

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