Speaker 1: It was Radio seven hundred WW Mike Allen and Saturday
Speaker 1: Midday a little Chili Saturday morning. Well, the violent crime
Speaker 1: beat goes on in the city of Cincinnati. I'm sure
Speaker 1: you probably heard about this already after the Bengals Steelers
Speaker 1: game last Thursday night, right outside of the in Between Bar,
Speaker 1: which is at Sycamore and Third Street.
Speaker 2: I'll tell you what you know.
Speaker 1: I used to live downtown and went down there, you know,
Speaker 1: for games and things a lot, and there are always
Speaker 1: people outside of that place. It's just a pretty low
Speaker 1: key bar. Anyway, this shooting took place right at the
Speaker 1: end between bar. It's Sycamore and Third Street. This wasn't
Speaker 1: your normal shooting. This man, the decedent, was shot twenty
Speaker 1: three times. Twenty three times. Of course he's dead. You're
Speaker 1: not going to survive twenty three shots. Well, anyway, the
Speaker 1: dude was caught and indicted I think this week, and
Speaker 1: he was wearing an ankle monitor. Ankle monitor. Of course,
Speaker 1: being with the probation department puts on some probationers to
Speaker 1: monitor where they're going. Obviously, this guy was going down
Speaker 1: to the in Between bar to fire twenty three shots
Speaker 1: into somebody. So he was on probation again. No real
Speaker 1: surprise there, but just to revisit another issue real quickly,
Speaker 1: the judges, the Common Police Court judges voted to close
Speaker 1: for probation substations in you know, high crime areas Price Hill, Avondale, OTR, Madisonville,
Speaker 1: and by all accounts, they were really working well, being
Speaker 1: in there, being in the neighborhoods well for some reason,
Speaker 1: and maybe there's an answer I'd never heard it to
Speaker 1: the question why did they stop doing that when it's
Speaker 1: been a success And apparently the probation officers thought it
Speaker 1: was a success too. I don't know why they stopped that.
Speaker 1: I guess we can only speculate. I mean, maybe it
Speaker 1: was because it was working too well. Too many probationers
Speaker 1: who violated were ending up locked up. And well, I'll
Speaker 1: tell you what, there are some in our community that
Speaker 1: sure wouldn't want that anyway. I'd like to have an
Speaker 1: answer to that at some point. Well, then you look
Speaker 1: at our mayor, Aftab Puer ofval. We also learned this
Speaker 1: week that completely completely out of the blue, Mayor purrival
Speaker 1: wants to play police chief now on Thursday. The mayor,
Speaker 1: who I guess now wants to run the police department.
Speaker 1: He decided that CPD will increase enforcement of low level crimes,
Speaker 1: which is a direct contradiction to where counsel and administration
Speaker 1: and the mayor have been all along. And that decree
Speaker 1: just kind of came out of nowhere. Now, it might
Speaker 1: be helpful if the mayor and council and city manager
Speaker 1: are really serious about it, But I mean, two weeks
Speaker 1: before an election, why would you do it then? Why
Speaker 1: would you do it with the department in such an
Speaker 1: uproar now based upon the crappy treatment that Chief Fiji
Speaker 1: has received. But here's the problem. Here's the problem with
Speaker 1: enforcing these low level crimes. You know, I don't know
Speaker 1: a lot about a lot, but I know a lot
Speaker 1: about a little.
Speaker 2: Here's the problem.
Speaker 1: The minute a Cincinnati police officer looks the wrong way
Speaker 1: or says the wrong thing to a suspect, that officer
Speaker 1: is then in the jackpot and he will get no
Speaker 1: backing from the administration or the mayor whatsoever. And you
Speaker 1: know what, if you don't believe me, go out and
Speaker 1: ask a street cop if they're friends, and you know,
Speaker 1: they're reluctant to talk. And I understand that, but that
Speaker 1: is the prevailing opinion or I guess feeling in the
Speaker 1: Cincinnati Police Department, I ain't sticking my neck out because
Speaker 1: if I make a mistake, a legitimate mistake that doesn't
Speaker 1: hurt anybody, but may offend some boom here I am,
Speaker 1: I'm in the docket, then that's the problem.
Speaker 2: That's the problem.
Speaker 1: And you know they're not going to get any backing
Speaker 1: from the administration. You know, they'll be on their own,
Speaker 1: except for, thank goodness, the FOP who defends those officers.
Speaker 1: And you know this is because the mayor who is
Speaker 1: in the city manager, who are creatures of politics, they
Speaker 1: have to appease certain elements of their can constituency who,
Speaker 1: let's just be honest about it, don't like or trust cops.
Speaker 1: They don't want cops who are tough on crime. They
Speaker 1: don't want it. And everyone knows that no matter what happens,
Speaker 1: it's always the cops fault with certain parts of this constituency,
Speaker 1: it's always the cops fault. You know, I think it's
Speaker 1: a good time now to take a little history lesson
Speaker 1: here issue five. Some of you may remember that, most
Speaker 1: of you probably won't, but thanks to the FOP, and
Speaker 1: by the way, we're going to be talking FOP President
Speaker 1: Ken Kober at eleven thirty. Here's the thing. It's back
Speaker 1: in the news again. Let me tell you what it
Speaker 1: is first. It's and I've talked about it before on
Speaker 1: this show. I've talked about it ever since I've been
Speaker 1: on not a lot. Okay City Issue five. It passed
Speaker 1: in two thousand and one, barely fifty two percent to
Speaker 1: forty eight percent. It won, So it was close what
Speaker 1: Issue five did. And it was a charter amendment. It
Speaker 1: took away the chiefs, police, chief, fire chief their civil
Speaker 1: service protection and gave it to the politicians, mayor, city manager, council.
Speaker 2: The system worked fine.
Speaker 1: But then we had Issue five, and boy, a lot
Speaker 1: of people and I was involved in it too.
Speaker 2: I was prosecutor at the time.
Speaker 1: A lot of people worked really hard on that campaign
Speaker 1: because those who have any experience in this city and
Speaker 1: in the criminal justice system knew at some point, at
Speaker 1: some point and were at some point now in the
Speaker 1: year twenty twenty five, it was going to be a disaster.
Speaker 1: So anyway, they you know, they had this thing, they
Speaker 1: had the election, it barely won. Let me give you
Speaker 1: a little context here for Issue five.
Speaker 2: And This is from AI.
Speaker 1: And you know, I look at these things before I
Speaker 1: talk about them, and this is accurate, and most of
Speaker 1: the stuff that I research on AI is accurate. Just
Speaker 1: give me a second here. I want to make sure
Speaker 1: people understand what it was, Okay, according to AI. After
Speaker 1: voter approval of Cincinnati's Issue five in two thousand and one,
Speaker 1: the city's police chief lost civil service protection. The charter
Speaker 1: amendment gave the city manager the power to hire and
Speaker 1: fire department heads, including the police chief and fire chief,
Speaker 1: without the traditional protections given to classified civil service employees.
Speaker 1: Just a little bit more on the background of Issue five.
Speaker 1: Context for the vote. Issue five was put on the
Speaker 1: ballot following the two thousand and one riots in Cincinnati,
Speaker 1: which were sparked by the fatal police shooting of an
Speaker 1: unarmed black teenager, Sam Timothy Thomas. And again, I was
Speaker 1: a prosecutor at the time. Knee deepen at I remember well. Anyway,
Speaker 1: reasons for the change. Proponents of Issue five argued that
Speaker 1: the old civil service rules made it too difficult to
Speaker 1: remove a police chief who was not performing effectively.
Speaker 2: Well, they got half of that right.
Speaker 1: It did make it more difficult for politicians to get
Speaker 1: rid of the police chief shift in authority. Before issue five,
Speaker 1: the police chief was selected through a civil service process
Speaker 1: and their employment was protected. After Issue five passed, the
Speaker 1: authority to appoint and remove the chief was consolidated under
Speaker 1: the city manager, and of course that means the mayor.
Speaker 1: So that's the deal with Issue five. You know, Issue five.
Speaker 1: I said it at the time. I believe it now
Speaker 1: more than ever. It was a bad had bad idea
Speaker 1: from the start, and everybody knew it. And again it
Speaker 1: only passed fifty two to forty eight percent, but hey,
Speaker 1: that's enough to win, and they did. Before issue five,
Speaker 1: I would posit that the police chief was insulated from
Speaker 1: the politics of city hall. And that's as it should be.
Speaker 1: And I'll tell you something, the City of Cincinnati, even
Speaker 1: going back all that time, we were kind of one
Speaker 1: of the exceptions to the way it usually works. You know,
Speaker 1: where the mayor gets mad about something the cops do. Boom,
Speaker 1: police chief is gone. City manager gets upset, Boom, police
Speaker 1: chief is gone. It was a good thing that we
Speaker 1: were different in that regard. We took politics well, politics
Speaker 1: was taken out of that process until Issue five passed,
Speaker 1: and again the chief was insulated from the politics that
Speaker 1: go on down at city Hall. You know, the manager,
Speaker 1: the mayor, city manager, council. They did not get involved
Speaker 1: in the day to day operations of the Cincinnati Police Department.
Speaker 1: Well that's not true now, because you got the mayor
Speaker 1: now just out of nowhere, a couple of weeks before
Speaker 1: the election, deciding.
Speaker 2: That we know what, well maybe we will.
Speaker 1: Start enforcing these smaller offenses. And again, we were unique
Speaker 1: in that regard, unique in a good way. It worked
Speaker 1: well for many, many, many years. I think it goes
Speaker 1: all the way back to the twenties and the reform
Speaker 1: movement at Charter, the Charter Party started in Cincinnati.
Speaker 2: We were different and different for a good reason.
Speaker 1: Now, I remember Chief Striker not putting up with any
Speaker 1: crap like this from the city manager or the mayor.
Speaker 1: And those of you that know Larry wal and know
Speaker 1: that he was the same way. He wasn't going to
Speaker 1: inject Those two guys were not going to have politics
Speaker 1: injected to their job. You know, they knew they had
Speaker 1: civil service protection. And you know, before five a person
Speaker 1: became chief through the civil service process. It wasn't a
Speaker 1: deal where you know, we like this one because this
Speaker 1: one is a certain sex or this one is a
Speaker 1: certain color.
Speaker 2: It was a merit based promotion situation.
Speaker 1: It was based on competence, period And really, credibly, you
Speaker 1: can argue all you want, but who can credibly argue
Speaker 1: that that's not a good thing. Well, let's fast forward
Speaker 1: to twenty twenty five. You know, you got a Democrat
Speaker 1: mayor Democrat council, no Republicans to be found anywhere, and
Speaker 1: now you have the mayor dictating how CPD conducts its
Speaker 1: business two weeks before the election. And is that a
Speaker 1: good thing for the city of Cincinnati. I'll know it's
Speaker 1: not a good thing. In almost every major city in
Speaker 1: this country, the chief is appointed by the mayor or council,
Speaker 1: or manager or both or all three. In some cases.
Speaker 1: We were unique that we didn't do it that way.
Speaker 1: We do it now. And all these cities, all these
Speaker 1: cities are run by Democrats, and man, they've done a
Speaker 1: great job, haven't they. So now in Cincinnati we have
Speaker 1: a police chief who does not have any civil service
Speaker 1: protection being made the scapegoat for the city's crime problems.
Speaker 1: And you know what, We're gonna be talking about that
Speaker 1: a lot this morning. That is not right, That is
Speaker 1: not right. She is being made a scapegoat for what's
Speaker 1: going on in this city, and again it just ain't right.
Speaker 2: You know, there's a mayor's election coming up in November.
Speaker 2: We all know that, so.
Speaker 1: The mayor needs to appear tough on crime, which is
Speaker 1: out of control, as I think we all know in
Speaker 1: this country. So what does he do out of nowhere?
Speaker 1: They put her on the chief Chief Fiji on administrative
Speaker 1: leave and let her twist in the wind. I guess
Speaker 1: they figure she's collateral damage to the mayor's political future.
Speaker 1: She has no civil service protection and it's just not right.
Speaker 1: And we also heard this week that the city is
Speaker 1: looking for maybe they found him a law firm to
Speaker 1: investigate the chief. I mean, what would a law firm know,
Speaker 1: presumably about police procedure. What are they going to investigate?
Speaker 1: Which just leaves her twisting in the wind even more.
Speaker 1: But you know, there's going to be a big old
Speaker 1: pot of gold at the end of the rainbow for
Speaker 1: Chief Fiji, and that says it should be.
Speaker 2: So what can we do.
Speaker 1: The obvious thing is to repeal Issue five and give
Speaker 1: the civil service protection back like we had for so
Speaker 1: many years before two thousand and one. But that's easier
Speaker 1: said than done. It looks like the police are ready
Speaker 1: for it based upon what they're doing the FOP and
Speaker 1: again we're going to talk to Ken Kober at eleven thirty.
Speaker 1: You know, back in two thousand and one, those that
Speaker 1: had any connection to law enforcement or the Cincinnati Police
Speaker 1: Department knew that this day was coming, and we're seeing
Speaker 1: it now playing out where the chief is being scapegoated.
Speaker 2: It's here now. So they need to stop.
Speaker 1: Scapegoating the chief of police and give the chief, not
Speaker 1: only chief of police, fire chief two their civil service
Speaker 1: protection back. What is such a big deal about that?
Speaker 1: And that is the only way that you're going to
Speaker 1: correct this nonsense anyway, That's what I think. As always,
Speaker 1: I want to know what you think. Seven four nine,
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Speaker 1: They we're back Mike Allen, Saturday midday as promised. I'm
Speaker 1: going right to the phones here.
Speaker 2: Wait mate, to give me a second.
Speaker 1: Let's talk to Barry in Miamisburg. Please, Hey, Barry, how
Speaker 1: you doing?
Speaker 6: Man?
Speaker 7: Good morning, Good morning?
Speaker 2: What you got.
Speaker 1: I'm good, okay, I'm here.
Speaker 8: I don't know much about this issue fact that you
Speaker 8: were talking about. I wasn't going to comment on it.
Speaker 8: I just want to comment on You know, from the
Speaker 8: normal person's perspective, you have the police force. You have
Speaker 8: the police chief, and then you have the city council clowns,
Speaker 8: and then you have the mayor and the judges. You know,
Speaker 8: the problem isn't with the police force. It does not
Speaker 8: appear to be with the police chief, who was only
Speaker 8: doing what the clowns and the judges told her to do.
Speaker 8: The problem is with the clowns and the judges trying
Speaker 8: to force the go woke, go broke policies down with
Speaker 8: their throats.
Speaker 1: Well, you know what, I think you're essentially right about that,
Speaker 1: Barry Buck. The judges they don't really have anything to
Speaker 1: do with you know, police procedure, But they have a
Speaker 1: heck of a lot to do once the case gets
Speaker 1: in their courtroom, they have a heck.
Speaker 7: Of a lot to do.
Speaker 8: As you say about does this criminal go to jail
Speaker 8: or does he get out of jail in.
Speaker 7: Five hours or less?
Speaker 2: Yeah, they have the ultimate say in that.
Speaker 8: So you know, they're just as much a part of
Speaker 8: the problem as in the case of where you know,
Speaker 8: some guy who's been arrested twelve times decides to shoot somebody.
Speaker 8: You know, why wasn't this clown in jail?
Speaker 1: Those are legit questions, And boy, you're hearing him more
Speaker 1: and more. You've always heard those questions, but you're sure
Speaker 1: hearing them more and more in this county. And you know,
Speaker 1: I mean, you have to look at each individual judge,
Speaker 1: but it's not what it used to be down there
Speaker 1: at the Hamilton County Courthouse.
Speaker 2: I can tell you.
Speaker 8: That she said in every county in the state, right, Yeah,
Speaker 8: you're right.
Speaker 7: You're right to live.
Speaker 8: Un Summery County, which is pretty much the same thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I've heard. It's just a bad situation.
Speaker 1: You do not want and or need politicians running the
Speaker 1: gosh darn police department.
Speaker 2: It's just stupid. It makes no sense.
Speaker 1: What makes political sense if you figure out why they
Speaker 1: want to do it. But as far as public safety,
Speaker 1: you know, let the chief run the department and stay
Speaker 1: out of his damn way unless he's doing something completely
Speaker 1: egregious or illegal. It worked pretty darn good in this
Speaker 1: city for a lot of years, and then we changed
Speaker 1: it in two thousand and one.
Speaker 7: You know, I am sure.
Speaker 8: The case where somebody got shot over.
Speaker 2: Twenty times, yeah, twenty three.
Speaker 7: Sir, this was not his first go round.
Speaker 1: I didn't look at his record, but I would venture
Speaker 1: to get well, he was on probation for something, so
Speaker 1: you know, I didn't look at his record, but I
Speaker 1: wasn't surprised.
Speaker 7: I'm sorry. Why wasn't this cat in jail where he belongs?
Speaker 2: Good question.
Speaker 1: You know, I don't know what the situation with that
Speaker 1: case was, that he violated his probation and got put
Speaker 1: on what they called the box. But my guess is
Speaker 1: he's a frequent flyer. But I don't know that for
Speaker 1: a fact because I didn't look at his record.
Speaker 7: All right, Well, thank you and having my say.
Speaker 2: Okay, Berry, thank you so much.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, my guess is you shoot somebody twenty
Speaker 1: three times, you're somewhat of a depraved mind, I would think,
Speaker 1: and it it's probably a pretty healthy criminal record. But
Speaker 1: again I can't say for sure because I didn't look.
Speaker 1: Didn't they have time? Hey, let's talk to Jay in Centerville. Hello, Jay,
Speaker 1: how are you?
Speaker 7: Hey?
Speaker 9: Mike?
Speaker 7: How are you good? What you got?
Speaker 10: Hey?
Speaker 11: I don't spend I don't spend all my time in Centerville.
Speaker 11: I spent a tremendous amount of time in downtown Cincinnati
Speaker 11: and over the Rhye. My girlfriend lives in Clifton. We
Speaker 11: get out and enjoy and enjoy everything the city has
Speaker 11: to offer. You and I have talked before. I spent
Speaker 11: twenty years in Portland. Yes, and I see so many
Speaker 11: parallels between what happened in Portland ten years ago to
Speaker 11: what's going on in Cincinnati now. If people don't get
Speaker 11: out and vote, they're going to have another Portland here
Speaker 11: in Cincinnati. It's not going to be the vibrant, fun
Speaker 11: city that we have right now. It's going to go
Speaker 11: in the dumper. I can tell you people have a
Speaker 11: misunderstanding of what Portland is like. Downtown is not necessarily
Speaker 11: that dangerous, but there was a time where it was
Speaker 11: actually during the DLM and ANTIFA stuff, and it scared
Speaker 11: regular suburbanites going down there. And now there's nothing left.
Speaker 11: Everything is closed. There is not a store open, there
Speaker 11: is not a bar. Almost everything I remember from the
Speaker 11: time I lived there I left it in twenty twelve
Speaker 11: is gone. It is a barren, empty hellscape and no
Speaker 11: one goes. Eric's home was. Even the areas that they
Speaker 11: built up and turned into high rent condos and things
Speaker 11: along those lines. Those whole neighborhoods are overrun and people
Speaker 11: are leaving.
Speaker 12: There as well.
Speaker 13: So if you don't get out and vote, I don't
Speaker 13: care if Corey Bowman is jd Vance's brother or not. Really,
Speaker 13: if you don't get out there and vote for change,
Speaker 13: this is what you have coming. And I can promise
Speaker 13: you it's not good. We have a great city. I
Speaker 13: was born in Cincinnati, raised in Dayton. Half my time
Speaker 13: down here, and I'm scared.
Speaker 11: I can't. I see it was the two time mayor
Speaker 11: of Portland. He is apt to have purball, just in
Speaker 11: a different different suit.
Speaker 1: Well you know what a lot of people are thinking that, Jay,
Speaker 1: Let me ask you something.
Speaker 2: I mean, you know you know about Portland.
Speaker 1: Why aren't the voters rebelling and not getting new people
Speaker 1: in there.
Speaker 2: Do they just not care?
Speaker 1: I mean, it's hard to believe that they would wouldn't care,
Speaker 1: but it's it's it's really a mystery to me.
Speaker 2: Why don't they do something about it.
Speaker 11: Port of Cincinnati are a lot alike in size, So
Speaker 11: you have the core of Portland, which is a fairly
Speaker 11: small population. They are so heavily vested in being Democrats
Speaker 11: and being anti Republican that they would vote their own demise.
Speaker 11: And because the suburban areas can't vote in Portland elections,
Speaker 11: it just continues on and on. Like the last mayor,
Speaker 11: Ted Wheeler. His only opponent in his previous election was
Speaker 11: a self professed mallict who won, who wore a skirt
Speaker 11: that had mal and oh gosh, Stalin and Mussolini on
Speaker 11: her skirt.
Speaker 14: That was it.
Speaker 11: Nobody else opposed him, so he won again even though
Speaker 11: he was a complete and total failure. And people have
Speaker 11: to look at Purvol he's only making moves, like you
Speaker 11: said right now, to appease people so he can get
Speaker 11: re elected. This guy doesn't care about the city, he
Speaker 11: doesn't care about law enforcement, he doesn't care about safety,
Speaker 11: and he's only doing this to trick you into voting
Speaker 11: for him.
Speaker 4: Again.
Speaker 11: He's a piece of garbage and people need to go
Speaker 11: out and vote against him or we're going to see
Speaker 11: this city turning into Portland. That would be sad.
Speaker 6: We have.
Speaker 11: I travel all over the world, Mike. There's not a
Speaker 11: place I know like Cincinnati for night life and things.
Speaker 7: It's great.
Speaker 11: It's unbelievable to go in the toilet, you know, and.
Speaker 1: You know you're right, and I live down there for
Speaker 1: about twelve years. It is a jewel. It is a gem.
Speaker 1: People don't realize what we have down there, and the
Speaker 1: quickest way to watch it go to pot is by
Speaker 1: having unbridled crime down there.
Speaker 2: But hey, I appreciate the call. It is a great call.
Speaker 11: Hey, Mike, one real quick question. So you ever noticed
Speaker 11: the bear always says feel safe. He doesn't talk about
Speaker 11: actual safety. He talks about feelings. I didn't know to
Speaker 11: drive people away. The safety doesn't talk about purple feelings
Speaker 11: are going to drive people away, But the reality is
Speaker 11: they are not safe.
Speaker 2: I hear you, No, I hear you.
Speaker 7: Thank you, Mike.
Speaker 1: Okay, I appreciate the call. That was a good call,
Speaker 1: you know, And like I asked, him in Portland. Why
Speaker 1: do the people that live in that city tolerated. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, you would think that they'd say, hey, I
Speaker 1: don't want this in my city. I'm going to vote
Speaker 1: for somebody else. Not necessarily Republican. That would be probably
Speaker 1: too much to ask there, but at least a Democrat.
Speaker 1: And there are some of them out there. Some of
Speaker 1: them are running this time out, not indorsed, but Democrats.
Speaker 1: Dendreaus comes to mind. My point is there are some
Speaker 1: Democrats out there that do something about it.
Speaker 2: I don't get Portland.
Speaker 1: The one thing I do get, though, is I don't
Speaker 1: want Cincinnati to turn into Portland. I don't think anybody does. Hey,
Speaker 1: who's up next. Let's talk to Bobby. Hey, good morning, Bobby.
Speaker 12: Hey, my call you.
Speaker 2: Will yeah, yeah, yeah, Hey.
Speaker 12: I just wanted to tell you thanks for taking my call,
Speaker 12: and you are a true voice for the common.
Speaker 7: Man, my friend.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Thank you, Bobby.
Speaker 12: I can sum up a lot of things on previous
Speaker 12: callers and ones that are coming up, and it's unfortunate
Speaker 12: to say that is things aren't gonna change in Cincinnati.
Speaker 12: The Democratic machine is well oiled. And I tell you what,
Speaker 12: if you look around from all the different things from
Speaker 12: who is giving the decision making process and who's counseling
Speaker 12: the mayor city manager. It's the only thing changing in
Speaker 12: Cincinnati is one thing, the speed of the fan, because
Speaker 12: they keep ex.
Speaker 2: When we already know what that is. Yep, you know.
Speaker 12: And I'll give you another example, Ahad the miners and stuff.
Speaker 12: They're going on about how the children were causing all
Speaker 12: the problems and they were gonna have holding facilities and
Speaker 12: do all these things.
Speaker 7: How many have they ever held none?
Speaker 2: I have no idea. I don't know what they did
Speaker 2: with that, Bobby nothing.
Speaker 12: And they do that with everything else.
Speaker 7: They do nothing.
Speaker 2: You know what, I've said it a million times.
Speaker 1: I'm probably gonna say it about a million five before
Speaker 1: this day is over.
Speaker 2: It's very very simple.
Speaker 1: You want to get a handle on crime, you turn
Speaker 1: the cops loose, You let them be proactive, You let
Speaker 1: them police aggressively, appropriately and legally and constitutionally aggressive. That's
Speaker 1: the only way it's going to work. And we haven't
Speaker 1: had that in this city for a long long time.
Speaker 7: No we haven't.
Speaker 12: And I tell you what, you have to run it
Speaker 12: almost like an insurgency operation. Let the police do their job.
Speaker 12: Because if you eliminate a problem, you don't have to
Speaker 12: worry about the prosecutors and judges because there won't be
Speaker 12: a problem.
Speaker 2: No, you're right.
Speaker 12: I have to get to the root cause of all
Speaker 12: the problems and eliminate them.
Speaker 7: Well, it's it.
Speaker 1: I ain't hold my breath, but I'll do everything that
Speaker 1: I can do in my limited power to make some
Speaker 1: change down there. They need to go back to the
Speaker 1: old system where the chief of police and the fire
Speaker 1: chief too are not pawns on a chess table of
Speaker 1: the the city government, the manager, the mayor, et cetera.
Speaker 1: Give them civil service protection back. And we had some
Speaker 1: darn good chiefs under that system. But we shall see.
Speaker 1: I appreciate the call.
Speaker 7: Bobby, thank you, my friend.
Speaker 2: Okay, you know, and again that is the only way
Speaker 2: it's going to change.
Speaker 1: Go back to the way it was in the late eighties,
Speaker 1: early to mid nineties, where you turn them loose. You know,
Speaker 1: you say, guys go and girls go out there, be aggressive,
Speaker 1: be proactive. Hey, and if you screw up on a
Speaker 1: minor mistake or something of that nature, we are going
Speaker 1: to back you. That's what's missing, and that's just not
Speaker 1: Mike Gallon saying that that's a lot of current CPD
Speaker 1: guys and gals that can't say it. You know, they
Speaker 1: just can't because of their job. Hey, let's talk to
Speaker 1: Dennis in Annapolis. Hey, doctor Dennis, what's up?
Speaker 2: Man?
Speaker 7: Hey Mike.
Speaker 15: This is from the rective of somebody who doesn't live
Speaker 15: in Hamilton County but visits Cincinnati fairly frequently. I listened
Speaker 15: to your news, read your newspaper, listen to your w
Speaker 15: l w UH, listen watch the mayor debate, and uh,
Speaker 15: you know, I I I can't believe that the voters
Speaker 15: continue to keep this empty suit that you have in
Speaker 15: the mayor's office in the office. It's just hard to believe.
Speaker 15: It's like we're punishment or something. I don't know what
Speaker 15: the problem is. And this pseudo investigation of the of
Speaker 15: the police chief, I mean, what are the investigators?
Speaker 7: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I mean, and hiring a law firm to do it
Speaker 1: to the tune of you know, it's going to be
Speaker 1: in the millions of dollars. I would certainly for what
Speaker 1: I mean, for what it's just a stunt two weeks
Speaker 1: before election day.
Speaker 2: I guess, I don't know.
Speaker 15: Act like they're doing something, but but you know what's
Speaker 15: what's it, couldn't believe it, this man, this that I
Speaker 15: believe your police chief was out of the conference when
Speaker 15: she got immediately called back the city. And then you
Speaker 15: have this idiot pureval who's who was there the day
Speaker 15: that that that July incident downtown happened and uh and
Speaker 15: still left the city anyway, and then you didn't and
Speaker 15: then this this whole scale, this kind of situation developed
Speaker 15: over the weekend and you didn't hear from him for
Speaker 15: three days. Now, I mean he was like absent without
Speaker 15: you know, a wall. And uh, if you're a mayor
Speaker 15: of a city, uh, you know, there's sometimes you have
Speaker 15: to put your big boy pants on and come back
Speaker 15: to the city. I know he's on a vacation or something,
Speaker 15: but uh, you know, you got to do your responsibility
Speaker 15: is to to to your your office.
Speaker 1: Sometimes you got to do that. NA say, we're bumping
Speaker 1: up against the news, but I sure appreciate your point
Speaker 1: of view as always, thanks for calling.
Speaker 7: Okay, okay, you know, and as.
Speaker 1: I said before during the rant, I don't know the
Speaker 1: moves that he's making. Perhaps there is some polling somewhere
Speaker 1: that says that Corey Bowman is in it, and he's competitive.
Speaker 1: That guy listened to him. I mean, he's done his homework.
Speaker 1: He's just not a name that the Republican Party threw
Speaker 1: up there. This guy's working it and working hard. But
Speaker 1: having said all that, the city of Cincinnati is a
Speaker 1: tough tough nut for Republicans or independence for that matter.
Speaker 1: We got some great independence running Donni Drias. I mentioned him,
Speaker 1: Steve Gooden, Christopher Smitheman, and a lot of others too.
Speaker 1: So we'll just have to cross our fingers and see
Speaker 1: what happens. Anyway, got to take a break for the news,
Speaker 1: but I'm looking forward to this. When we get back
Speaker 1: in studio, we're going to be talking too, retired but
Speaker 1: longtime former Cincinnati police officer and the brother of Chief
Speaker 1: Fiji russ Neville. And when we get back we will
Speaker 1: be talking to him. Mike Allen Saturday midday.
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Speaker 15: Tell you what.
Speaker 1: Like I said, I've been looking forward to this segment.
Speaker 1: We have in studio here quite a few of the
Speaker 1: Neville family, but the person that wants to speak is
Speaker 1: Russ Neville.
Speaker 2: A just a long career in law enforcement.
Speaker 1: All of the Neville's do, and I've got a list here,
Speaker 1: but we'd take up too much time, I think if
Speaker 1: we did that, but the premiere I would say law
Speaker 1: enforcement family. And I'm not just saying that in Hamilton County. Russ,
Speaker 1: thanks for coming up today. Thank you, sir okay for
Speaker 1: having us just start out? What do you want to say?
Speaker 1: What do you want people to know about your sister
Speaker 1: Chief Fiji?
Speaker 18: First and foremost, I want them to know that she's huh, dedicated, passionate,
Speaker 18: cares about the members of the organization and the community. Yeah,
Speaker 18: talk to Terry regularly or for the years, but most
Speaker 18: specifically the last two or three years during her role,
Speaker 18: and every conversation came back to the community and the
Speaker 18: needs and the way to get it done and how
Speaker 18: do we maintain the dignity of the officers and support them.
Speaker 18: Every single conversation, regardless of other topics, came back to that.
Speaker 2: I don't doubt that she what thirty four years.
Speaker 18: I think I believe she has thirty five years. Thirty
Speaker 18: five years, and every bit of it, every single moment
Speaker 18: of it was done with what she felt was right
Speaker 18: and best and it was always fair. You never have
Speaker 18: everybody agreeing with every decision you make, right and management,
Speaker 18: which you get, you're going to have detractors. You're going
Speaker 18: to have those that you cross paths with and you
Speaker 18: know your decision impacts them in a negative way, usually
Speaker 18: because of their conduct or behavior. But that's the reality
Speaker 18: of management. But back to Terry's specifically, she's just a
Speaker 18: good person who works hard, who's raised a family of
Speaker 18: children and now she has grandchildren and in the midst
Speaker 18: of all of that, she continued to strive to maintain
Speaker 18: the reputation of the Cincinnati Police Department and maintain the
Speaker 18: level of performance those officers perform and allow them to
Speaker 18: do what it is they need to do to get
Speaker 18: the job done while maintaining within the rules.
Speaker 7: Yep.
Speaker 18: And that's probably the best thing I can say is
Speaker 18: she is a combination, and she manages it all. She
Speaker 18: manages it all maturely and confidently. And I'm not going
Speaker 18: to kid that there's not times it's a struggle, I
Speaker 18: can imagine, but she every single time overcomes the struggle
Speaker 18: and she fights forward. And she loves her children, her grandchildren,
Speaker 18: and she loves the members of this department. And she
Speaker 18: loves providing service to the community. That's what I say
Speaker 18: about Terry.
Speaker 2: It's a family, wouldn't you agree?
Speaker 1: I mean police officers in general, especially Cincinnati police officers.
Speaker 2: It sures seems to me it's a family.
Speaker 18: So within a family, have disagreements, Yeah, and you handle
Speaker 18: disagreements with dignity and respect and communication. And I will
Speaker 18: say right here and now, while we're talking specifically Terry
Speaker 18: and I have other topics to cover. The mayor and
Speaker 18: the manager and I've achieved that. They haven't even come
Speaker 18: close to achieving that. No allowance of dignity, not at all.
Speaker 18: No showing of respect, no, and no proper management of
Speaker 18: where this has gone. We don't even know where it
Speaker 18: came from. Time will tell.
Speaker 2: Let me ask you.
Speaker 1: You said you have some other things that you'd like
Speaker 1: to cover your microphone man, what would you like to say?
Speaker 18: I'd like to say that this isn't about the nevils.
Speaker 18: This is not about the Novill legacy. We're proud of it.
Speaker 18: You shouldn't. The majority of us have moved on to
Speaker 18: other elements of life and we enjoy it. This is
Speaker 18: about Terry Thiji, the future of the Cincinnati Police Department,
Speaker 18: and those that may want to sit in that seat later.
Speaker 18: This is about offering to every one of your listeners.
Speaker 18: If I don't care, let me cover a point here. Absolutely,
Speaker 18: we're a family of about ninety. Of that ninety about
Speaker 18: fifty or so or voter age. We are a combination
Speaker 18: of Democrats, Independence, and Republicans. We vote various ways. We
Speaker 18: can still communicate as a family and not allow that
Speaker 18: to interfere. But the point I'm making is each and
Speaker 18: every one of them take terry out of this. Each
Speaker 18: and every one of them believe this is wrong and
Speaker 18: it is something the mayor should be held accountable for
Speaker 18: via the vote.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 18: I don't care if you're a Democrat, an Independent, or
Speaker 18: a Republican. That is conversation I've had time and time
Speaker 18: again over the last week plus with people in each
Speaker 18: of those parties. I have friends in each of the parties.
Speaker 18: It's irrelevant what party you've belonged to or how you vote.
Speaker 18: This man should not be able to do what he's
Speaker 18: attempting to do to her or anybody in the future.
Speaker 18: And the only way to address that, as we speak
Speaker 18: to your listeners is vote exactly we say it time
Speaker 18: and time again, get out and vote. Reality, Mike, only
Speaker 18: about fifteen eighteen percent of people show up to vote
Speaker 18: on such elections.
Speaker 2: City elections. Yeah, it's always been low. So think about this, listeners.
Speaker 2: If you.
Speaker 18: Believe the Chiefdiji is being scapegoaded, poorly treated, they're stripping
Speaker 18: ver dignating or respect, vote vote for whoever you care for,
Speaker 18: Vote for whatever council member you care for, Do not
Speaker 18: vote for that mayor. Go and vote, and if we
Speaker 18: can get twenty five thirty thirty five percent of those
Speaker 18: registered voters who believe in what we are sharing.
Speaker 2: Right now, we can.
Speaker 18: Get new leadership in the city and then we can
Speaker 18: get into the Issue five and the other topics. Now
Speaker 18: I get that, but these items have to be covered first.
Speaker 18: So obviously we got more to talk about. But that's
Speaker 18: my response to your question.
Speaker 2: Let me ask you this, if you care to address
Speaker 2: it Issue five, you know what it is.
Speaker 7: I know what it is.
Speaker 1: We all do when it happened, I said at the time,
Speaker 1: and I'm not toot my own horn because I was right.
Speaker 7: It's a bad, bad, bad idea to.
Speaker 1: Take civil service protection away from the chief of police,
Speaker 1: the fire chief too, but especially the chief of police.
Speaker 1: It looks like the FOP and we're going to talk
Speaker 1: to Ken Kobra at eleven thirty. It's like the fop's
Speaker 1: going to take that on your thoughts on that, because
Speaker 1: I truly believe this, I really do. If Issue five
Speaker 1: had not passed, we and your sister would not be
Speaker 1: in this situation.
Speaker 18: Well, not only that, we probably wouldn't be at the
Speaker 18: point of a new chief right now right counting Terry,
Speaker 18: others would possibly be in that seat that weren't negatively
Speaker 18: impact by the political influence. That's a speculation, but it's
Speaker 18: a educated speculation. As I was there, retired in twenty one,
Speaker 18: thirty four years, so I had the opportunity to see it.
Speaker 18: On that line, I'll let Kenny Coober speak on behalf
Speaker 18: of Issue five. Hold on, I do have a point,
Speaker 18: and I do agree with both Chris Smithman and Kenny's
Speaker 18: point that something about Issue five has to be addressed,
Speaker 18: whether it be removal or be a unanimous or majority
Speaker 18: vote by counsel for such decisions to make. This is absolutely,
Speaker 18: absolutely wasting the tax dollars. Unbelievable, not in an economy
Speaker 18: that you can't afford to do it. You place somebody
Speaker 18: on leave, then you hire a law firm to justify it.
Speaker 2: I don't get that.
Speaker 18: It's a gross misuse of resources. And the constituents of
Speaker 18: the City of Cincinnati deserve better management and oversight of
Speaker 18: their dollars, and they need better decisions. And I place
Speaker 18: every bit of that at the foot of the mayor
Speaker 18: and the city manager. So do with it what you want.
Speaker 18: As a voter, It's not for me to say right,
Speaker 18: for us to say right.
Speaker 1: I'm assuming that your sister wants to stay on the job.
Speaker 1: Is that a true and accurate statement or can you
Speaker 1: say if you don't want to speak for that's fine,
Speaker 1: But I'm just assuming that or she wouldn't be going.
Speaker 2: Through all this.
Speaker 18: I am not going to speak on behalf of Tarry,
Speaker 18: on our future. And there are elements, Mike, of matters
Speaker 18: that I will refrain from discussing because that is in
Speaker 18: the hands of the lawyer, and we put our faith
Speaker 18: in confidence in mister.
Speaker 1: M He's a hell of a good lawyer from a
Speaker 1: great law firm, the Finny Law Firm.
Speaker 18: M I just think this it borders on in humane.
Speaker 1: What really does It's unprofessional and it's not dignified for
Speaker 1: someone who is the chief of police of a major
Speaker 1: city police department. If you haven't figured it out, it
Speaker 1: pisses me off. It's not right.
Speaker 18: And I want to emphasize I appreciate our family, appreciates
Speaker 18: Terry's supporters, appreciate you having us in allowing us a voice.
Speaker 18: It's deeper than Chief thej It's deeper than Terry Thiji.
Speaker 18: This is about more than Terry. It's about the proper
Speaker 18: way to manage an organization, and it's about the future
Speaker 18: of those who may want that seat going forward, Who
Speaker 18: wants to work for a organization city that treats people
Speaker 18: this way.
Speaker 1: Exactly exactly, you know, I got to ask you this.
Speaker 1: I ask every veteran police officer that I talked to,
Speaker 1: and some of the ones on the street, who, of
Speaker 1: course can't be public about it. I remember back in
Speaker 1: the days I was in the city Prosecutor's office from
Speaker 1: like nineteen eighty five to nineteen ninety and then a
Speaker 1: couple of years after that municipal court judged for three years.
Speaker 1: Those municipal court courtrooms were popped to the gills with
Speaker 1: police officers in the jury boxes out in the hall.
Speaker 1: My point is they were out there, you know, getting
Speaker 1: stuff I don't want to say stirred up, but being aggressive,
Speaker 1: appropriately aggressive, appropriately proactive. Do you would you agree with
Speaker 1: me that we don't really need to, you know, reinvent
Speaker 1: the wheel here. That's what needs to be done to
Speaker 1: put the CPD back where it belongs. Get out, do
Speaker 1: your job, and you know, make sure that you're going
Speaker 1: to be covered if somebody complains, and you know they will.
Speaker 2: I mean, that's just my point.
Speaker 1: And you know I don't go down to court anymore
Speaker 1: I'm retired, recently retired. There's not like half the cases
Speaker 1: there are down there anymore because I don't think that
Speaker 1: the street people cops are doing anything.
Speaker 2: And I don't blame them one I owe for that.
Speaker 1: I don't. They want to go home. They want to
Speaker 1: you know, be able to take care of their family.
Speaker 1: So that's a long question, I.
Speaker 18: Guess, yeah, I it is a very long question that
Speaker 18: covers a range of topics. It would take more time
Speaker 18: than we have today to discuss. I'm right, sious, But
Speaker 18: what I will say is the officers continue to want
Speaker 18: to do the job. They continue to want to be
Speaker 18: PROAGNI granted I've been going four years, but based on
Speaker 18: my conversations with Terry and others that I still have
Speaker 18: contact with the desires there. The problem is clearly with
Speaker 18: the lack of support and partnership with the courts and
Speaker 18: the judges. And to be honest with you, mean with
Speaker 18: bonds being set low, bonds are no bonds, no bonds,
Speaker 18: low bonds, early releases ten, twelve, thirteen, fourteen, fifteen, sixteen,
Speaker 18: opportunities to go back out and victimize somebody. Yeah, before
Speaker 18: you're held accountable. That's not the police department's responsibility. Their
Speaker 18: responsibility is public safety the best they can what's in
Speaker 18: front of them. Problem solving data analysis place people where
Speaker 18: the problems are or where we know historically or recently
Speaker 18: they may develop. And Terry does a fabulous job with that.
Speaker 18: But if you're gonna lock them up, not just Terry, right,
Speaker 18: the people that reported to her or the chief, the commanders,
Speaker 18: the lieutenants, the release sergeants, the officers, the data analysis team.
Speaker 18: They do a fabulous job with it. But if you're
Speaker 18: going to do all of that work and take one
Speaker 18: five ten folks to jail for an incident, and then
Speaker 18: twelve hours later the one five ten folks are back
Speaker 18: out in that community. So think about this. It doesn't
Speaker 18: just affect those you arrested. The others see it. Others
Speaker 18: within the community see it. The victims see it and
Speaker 18: it causes.
Speaker 2: Fear to them.
Speaker 18: The other potential offenders see it and it takes away
Speaker 18: any fear for them to get incarcerated. So it's such
Speaker 18: a deeper issue, and that goes back to the vote.
Speaker 18: But I'll be really honest with you, that's a long
Speaker 18: term problem solving effort.
Speaker 2: It is.
Speaker 18: The reality here is it's the mayor that that, to
Speaker 18: me is the topic at hand right now. And if
Speaker 18: you believe new leadership is beneficial and necessary in the city,
Speaker 18: vote think it through, Think it through, think it through,
Speaker 18: and realize that this is not what's best for your communities.
Speaker 18: This stuff all came about. Let me make a point.
Speaker 18: Sure this stuff all came about. They can hide from it,
Speaker 18: but it came about from the fact of an increase
Speaker 18: in crime in the Central Business District. You know there's
Speaker 18: ebb and flows, a crime like that throughout the city.
Speaker 18: The police department focuses on them, gets them down, does
Speaker 18: problem solving efforts they have success. You ever hear the
Speaker 18: mayor talk about those No, do you ever hear the
Speaker 18: mayor talk about the other fifty one communities in Cincinnati?
Speaker 18: Do you ever hear the marrigan of a camera and say,
Speaker 18: we can't tolerate this in bond Hill, we can't tolerate this.
Speaker 18: In Price Hell, we can't tolerate this. In Westwood, we
Speaker 18: can't tolerate this. Guess what it happened in the Central
Speaker 18: Business DEERCT and it's it's a shame. But the officers
Speaker 18: in the organization, in partnership with others in the community
Speaker 18: would get control of it, address it, and if the
Speaker 18: judges would allow it, keep people from repeating not a
Speaker 18: word out.
Speaker 2: Of him regarding the other communities.
Speaker 18: Why would you want to vote him in If his
Speaker 18: true focus is soling in the central business district, which
Speaker 18: is important, which is the hub, which is where the
Speaker 18: majority of.
Speaker 2: The money is to come into the city come in.
Speaker 18: Because of various events, don't you think he should have
Speaker 18: equal passion and concern about the other communities. One would think, well,
Speaker 18: I don't see it. I didn't see it, and I
Speaker 18: hope the voters recognize it. Give somebody else an opportunity, think,
Speaker 18: think past your.
Speaker 2: Comfort zone as a voter.
Speaker 18: Give somebody else an opportunity to come in and focus
Speaker 18: on the entire city. Focus in working with the council
Speaker 18: and with a manager. Instead of dictating.
Speaker 2: No, I got you.
Speaker 1: Hey, we got about a minute and a half left, RUSSA,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give it to you. What would you like
Speaker 1: to say in summary? The first one want to say, thanks, Well,
Speaker 1: it's my pleasure and my privilege.
Speaker 18: Second, I want to say technology is not my area
Speaker 18: by any stretching. It knows me too, So we're fortunate
Speaker 18: to have nieces nephews that are on board with all
Speaker 18: of this and support Terry as much as any of
Speaker 18: us sitting in this room. We got some shirts and
Speaker 18: we got some signs. Shirt reads I stand with Police.
Speaker 18: I like it, Chiefdiji. The signs read the same. Some
Speaker 18: family members, the younger ones, developed a Facebook page. I
Speaker 18: know nothing about Facebook. I don't do it. On do
Speaker 18: social media, and they also developed their initiated a email.
Speaker 18: If you care to support Terry verbally, if you care
Speaker 18: to support Terry just to show it in whatever way.
Speaker 18: If you care to have a sign that we can
Speaker 18: put on your property and your business window. We'd like
Speaker 18: them in the city because that's where this message needs
Speaker 18: to be heard. Or we'd like people who live in
Speaker 18: the county near the city can do it, who have
Speaker 18: connections in the city that can carry this message on.
Speaker 18: We aren't stopping this is wrong. So the email is
Speaker 18: stand with Chief Thiji at gmail dot com.
Speaker 2: Okay, please communicate through it.
Speaker 18: One of the younger nieces and nephews will manage it
Speaker 18: and communicate back, and then the Facebook again, I don't
Speaker 18: do it. I just know that it's I stand with
Speaker 18: Police Chief Fiji. Facebook page should be easy to find
Speaker 18: way back and off and my brother Rick and Mike
Speaker 18: we talked a lot through this, and Rick brought it
Speaker 18: up the other day and he said, flat out, Dad
Speaker 18: taught us, don't start a fight, but one's one started.
Speaker 2: One pushed on you finish it. We're finishing.
Speaker 1: This doesn't surprise me at all. Giving your guys background
Speaker 1: and your father, who I admired a lot, I really
Speaker 1: appreciate this. This is helpful. People need to hear this, Russ,
Speaker 1: and definitely want to have you back at some point.
Speaker 18: Can you cover Mike at some point today? The voting
Speaker 18: I did have a note in here about the voting
Speaker 18: is on. When the hours are you still go to
Speaker 18: early vote, and please if you haven't voted in years,
Speaker 18: check and make see if you're still eligible.
Speaker 2: Absolutely get online check it.
Speaker 1: I've got Christopher Smithman coming on at eleven and he's
Speaker 1: got all that stuff down.
Speaker 7: Pat.
Speaker 1: So all right, again, I really appreciate it, and you know,
Speaker 1: anything else comes up, just give me a call.
Speaker 2: You'll be hearing.
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, all right, we got to take a
Speaker 1: break for the news, but we will be back. Mike
Speaker 1: Allen Saturday midday.
Speaker 2: Trip for buyers visit Mike castercy.
Speaker 1: Ford Saturday midday. I wanted to thank my last guest,
Speaker 1: Russ Neville. I'll tell you that's a perspective that you're
Speaker 1: not going to get anywhere else. And you know, one
Speaker 1: of the things he said that is that his sister,
Speaker 1: the police chief Chief Fiji, should be treated with dignity.
Speaker 1: And that is just so true. Everybody needs to be
Speaker 1: treated with dignity, but especially someone who's put thirty three,
Speaker 1: thirty four years into a job and has risen to
Speaker 1: the top of that job. You don't make that person
Speaker 1: collateral damage in a political fight.
Speaker 2: You just don't do it.
Speaker 1: But I really appreciate him coming up and giving it
Speaker 1: to us from his perspective. I'm going to get back
Speaker 1: to the phones here. I promise one other thing I'd
Speaker 1: like to do. Went to a retirement party yesterday for
Speaker 1: a great man, talking about Danny Cott. He spent sixty
Speaker 1: excuse me not that may twenty seven years with the
Speaker 1: Cincinnati Police Department. Retired all the way back in two
Speaker 1: thousand and two, then twenty years with Rumky. He was
Speaker 1: the corporate lost control manager at least that's where he started. Rumky,
Speaker 1: a great family owned company, and Dan Cott twenty years
Speaker 1: with Rumky, twenty seven with CPD. You sure deserve retirement
Speaker 1: and it was great being a part of that yesterday. Okay,
Speaker 1: let's get to the phones. Let's talk to Patty. Hello, Patty,
Speaker 1: he is.
Speaker 19: Good morning, Mike Allen, and thank you so much for
Speaker 19: your show. I learned so much important information.
Speaker 7: Thank you.
Speaker 19: This is just a yes, sir. This is just a quick, small,
Speaker 19: little scenario, an anecdote that occurred when I was walking
Speaker 19: to the hardware store one morning, a little local one
Speaker 19: of our beautiful neighborhoods. And I'm walking up the curb
Speaker 19: across the parking lot and I see a tall, handsome
Speaker 19: man standing right at the curb, beautifully dressed, and I realize, oh,
Speaker 19: my goodness, that is our mayor. Well, I walk past
Speaker 19: him and I say good morning, mister mayor, you know,
Speaker 19: excited as I am. He doesn't look at me, turns
Speaker 19: his head a skance wow, and lets.
Speaker 7: Out a grunt.
Speaker 19: He says ugh.
Speaker 20: Wow, and all I proceed.
Speaker 19: On into the hardware store, and Mike Allan, this is
Speaker 19: a perfect example of that non mayor that we have
Speaker 19: been stuck with. He does not love Cincinnati, and he
Speaker 19: has contempt for its citizens. The beautiful man you had
Speaker 19: on just previously, as well as some of your other
Speaker 19: callers this morning, talk about the love of Cincinnati, and
Speaker 19: there is not an out. He does not love us.
Speaker 19: Can you imagine I'm a man or John Cranleigh if
Speaker 19: you said good morning, mister Smithman, that beautiful gentleman, would
Speaker 19: he grunt?
Speaker 7: I don't stop and talk to you?
Speaker 19: Can imagine Bobby Stern, any of the malories. I can
Speaker 19: go down the whole long list of leadership in this
Speaker 19: beautiful city since I have been here for fifty years. Man,
Speaker 19: And now we're stuck with this message.
Speaker 1: Well, you know what, I always kind of gave him
Speaker 1: credit for being a good politician, But boy, that's just
Speaker 1: not It's first of all, it's just right. See if
Speaker 1: a voter acknowledges anybody acknowledges you, how.
Speaker 19: Hard cameras Mike Allen, no one's watching. All it is
Speaker 19: is one citizen. He may as well have spipped. So
Speaker 19: I just think it's a perfect characterization of Purvoal does
Speaker 19: not love Cincinnati. And we've got a vote for someone
Speaker 19: who does love Cincinnati. And we know that's Corey Bowman
Speaker 19: because he's he lived in the city with the Cincinnatians,
Speaker 19: and I just had to say that because I love
Speaker 19: this city and I hate to see what's happening. God,
Speaker 19: bless you for telling the true stories.
Speaker 7: I thank you.
Speaker 1: I appreciate it, and thank you for your story too.
Speaker 1: I appreciate that.
Speaker 7: Okay, good luck, Mikeelant, thank you, bye bye.
Speaker 14: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I don't get that. I mean, it's just I don't
Speaker 1: know that's manners one oh one. You would think, hey,
Speaker 1: let's talk to Lisa. Hey, good morning, Lisa, Hey, my
Speaker 1: what you got?
Speaker 21: Okay? So my thing with the firing or the police Keith,
Speaker 21: it was so off, you know, and it was like
Speaker 21: the gentleman's dad. They were looking for a scapegoat, you know.
Speaker 21: And I say that they should not have even approached that,
Speaker 21: you know, a fire trying to fire her and get
Speaker 21: rid of her however it is they want to do.
Speaker 12: But I am old school.
Speaker 21: Everything begins at home. If the children were raised by parents,
Speaker 21: you know, by adults, and the way that the children
Speaker 21: are acting behaving today is it's horrible, you know. You
Speaker 21: got some of the parents are scared of their own children.
Speaker 21: They are scared to discipline their own children. And some
Speaker 21: of the children they are literally raising themselves. So I
Speaker 21: believe a lot of the problems not just in Cincinnati,
Speaker 21: but in America altogether. If the parents would just pull
Speaker 21: up their bootstraps, do what it is that they need
Speaker 21: to do and parents, America would be a better place.
Speaker 21: That's all I have to say.
Speaker 2: Thank you, thank.
Speaker 1: You, Lisa, you know, and she is so right. And
Speaker 1: fifty one years in the criminal justice system, you see
Speaker 1: that in spades. I mean, you know, young people getting
Speaker 1: in trouble, juveniles, no family over seeing them almost all
Speaker 1: not I shouldn't say many times no father and the
Speaker 1: parents do have to do their jobs. And that's relevant
Speaker 1: to what's going on in Cincinnati too. I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: I think CPD has done a pretty good job on it,
Speaker 1: especially recently. You know where these kids are roaming around
Speaker 1: downtown at all hours of the night. What the hell
Speaker 1: are the parents, you know, where are they? What are
Speaker 1: they doing to rain their kids in? And I don't know,
Speaker 1: she's absolutely right about that. Let me see, let me see.
Speaker 1: How about let's talk to Mike and Hamilton.
Speaker 7: Hey, good morning, Mike, Hey Mike.
Speaker 2: Yes, sir, thank you you too.
Speaker 22: I'd like to say that the first thing is is
Speaker 22: anybody that becomes a police officer is trying to give
Speaker 22: back to their country.
Speaker 20: This is about taking our society what it is.
Speaker 22: Without police officers are crumbles and when they need more
Speaker 22: police for they need more police officers on the street,
Speaker 22: and and they have to get them.
Speaker 20: That's the key.
Speaker 14: And when you said.
Speaker 7: Where are the parents of those kids?
Speaker 20: Some of those parents might be working nights that take
Speaker 20: care of them.
Speaker 22: And I think it's a society.
Speaker 20: We got to change how.
Speaker 22: We think about a lot of things, and if we don't,
Speaker 22: we're going to crumble. You know, you have the military
Speaker 22: that's risking their lives, the police, the fire department, those
Speaker 22: people are doing that, and in a split second we
Speaker 22: judge them on things that happened that you know what
Speaker 22: I mean. I wish, I hope I'm not judged like
Speaker 22: a police officer on some small mistake, which in the
Speaker 22: situation could be something that's.
Speaker 20: Very, very bad. But I have a split second.
Speaker 22: To think about this, and we're so easy and quipped
Speaker 22: to judge them, and I just want to say that
Speaker 22: we've got to change it. And Mike, I know you
Speaker 22: probably don't want to hear this, but every person gets
Speaker 22: arrested should be drug tested. We need these people to
Speaker 22: become workers and part of our society and not a
Speaker 22: retating criminal.
Speaker 20: We should make him do some sort of rehab.
Speaker 22: They should be out cleaning roads, and then we should
Speaker 22: try and work with younger people to try and get
Speaker 22: them to.
Speaker 20: Become people that we know they can be.
Speaker 22: And right now on.
Speaker 20: Our society, we just don't have that. We don't and
Speaker 20: it's got to change. It's got to change. And Republicans
Speaker 20: and Democrats, just.
Speaker 22: Like right now, I heard an FBI agent had to
Speaker 22: took the part time job because he's not getting paid.
Speaker 22: Why we have our congressional people getting paid while this
Speaker 22: young gentleman had to take a second job just to
Speaker 22: make sure he can support his family.
Speaker 20: While we're sitting here with our thumbs up our.
Speaker 7: Butt No, I hear you.
Speaker 2: I appreciate it.
Speaker 7: Thank you.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what Mike said a lot of things
Speaker 1: that makes sense, but the one thing that hit me.
Speaker 1: He talked about we need to have rehabilitation, meaning treatment
Speaker 1: for people that are dependent upon drugs. I could not
Speaker 1: agree with that more. I'll tell you you go down
Speaker 1: down there to the jail, and by the way, Sheriff
Speaker 1: McGuffey has that great program down there that helps along
Speaker 1: those lines, and the people that have done at the
Speaker 1: Justice Center. That's not long term, it's short term. And
Speaker 1: I don't know, I just uh, I admire her for
Speaker 1: doing that. We need more rehab, and I have a
Speaker 1: lot of people saying, how the hell with it?
Speaker 2: You know, they made the decision to you know, get
Speaker 2: into drugs.
Speaker 1: Screw him. And that's not a number one, it's just
Speaker 1: not right. Number two, it doesn't make sense. So I'm
Speaker 1: all about rehab, and he brought that up. So I
Speaker 1: wanted to pontificate if you will. Hey, we still got
Speaker 1: some time here, how's about let me talk to Dan
Speaker 1: and chevyot Hello?
Speaker 9: Dan, Hey, Mike, what's going on?
Speaker 23: Hey?
Speaker 9: I wanted to give a shout out to that gentleman,
Speaker 9: dam you want to retirement Barty?
Speaker 24: Yeah, Danny, Well, he came in shopping for his daughter
Speaker 24: about four or five years back, and he just you know,
Speaker 24: it's just a.
Speaker 9: Regular dude, and he was real nice to talk to him, friendly,
Speaker 9: and at the end he asked if he could talk
Speaker 9: to the supervisor and gave me some kind words, and
Speaker 9: then he actually went back to work and on like
Speaker 9: a full rum key letterhead and envelope sent a personal
Speaker 9: letter of recommendation for me.
Speaker 7: Wow.
Speaker 9: They thought it was a rumpky bill, so they threw
Speaker 9: it on the operations manager's death and then like four
Speaker 9: or five days later they open it and go, well,
Speaker 9: this isn't just a bill. So they scanned it and
Speaker 9: sent it to my home office and it actually got
Speaker 9: my fifth out of sixth Stoll for Customer Service Awards. Yes,
Speaker 9: and I keep that in case I ever need another job,
Speaker 9: because he gave me some kind words. So I just
Speaker 9: wanted to give a shout out to him since.
Speaker 7: He helped me.
Speaker 2: I appreciate that. Dan, thank you. That's very kind.
Speaker 1: And you know, those that know him Dan Cott that
Speaker 1: that doesn't surprise me at all. That's just kind of
Speaker 1: the guy he is. But I really appreciate him sharing that.
Speaker 1: You know, a guy goes twenty seven years in the
Speaker 1: police department, twenty more years with rumky. I think he's
Speaker 1: serving his community. Well, okay, let's see how's about Steve.
Speaker 1: Steve is an Aldegrand. I don't know why I didn't
Speaker 1: get him first. Hello, Steve, are you there?
Speaker 6: My elder in nineteen seventy.
Speaker 23: Four, Me too, buddy, You were one of them smart guys.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I'll take it, but it's not not really accurate.
Speaker 2: But anyway, what you got.
Speaker 6: For me my question. The house I moved into in
Speaker 6: nineteen eighty seven, the city put a tree out in
Speaker 6: front of the sidewalk at the street. At the curb.
Speaker 6: The tree is like two and a half feet for
Speaker 6: my sidewalk. All I did was dig a hole, drop
Speaker 6: it in and say see you later. You know, thirty
Speaker 6: some years later, the sidewalks.
Speaker 7: On tour up. O. Yeah, pushing it up.
Speaker 6: My thing is, can I take them to small Claims
Speaker 6: Court and go after negligence the three elements of negligence
Speaker 6: that have proof from other arborist. Sure, the tree that's
Speaker 6: going to grow fifty foot tall two feet from the
Speaker 6: sidewalk in front of your house, and argue that it's
Speaker 6: not maintenance. They say it's maintenance, it's negligence.
Speaker 2: Yep, I hear you. And here's what you do.
Speaker 1: You will need an arborist, I think, to give an opinion,
Speaker 1: whether that would be through testimony or through an affidavit
Speaker 1: or something like that. Small Claims Court is set up
Speaker 1: for people not to have lawyers, and I haven't had
Speaker 1: a lot of contact with it through the years. But
Speaker 1: the contact I've had, I think they do an amazing
Speaker 1: job of kind of sorting those things out.
Speaker 2: I would give it a shot.
Speaker 1: I think, I think I might be wrong, but I
Speaker 1: think the money limit in small claims is twenty five thousand.
Speaker 1: I haven't looked at it in a while, but it
Speaker 1: sounds to me like you got a good case.
Speaker 7: The cost to remove tree, let's say it's a thousand
Speaker 7: dollars each slab that damn me is eight hundred bucks,
Speaker 7: so you know we're way under that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what you do. It's easy to It's easy
Speaker 1: to do that in small club.
Speaker 7: Do I have to serve them with the with the paperwork?
Speaker 1: Well, actually the I think the clerk will do that.
Speaker 1: If I'm not, I.
Speaker 7: Don't have to like serve them. Okay, now, all.
Speaker 2: Right, well, good, good luck with it?
Speaker 7: All right, I'll let you know.
Speaker 1: Okay, thanks Steve, all right, thank you, sir. Okay, got
Speaker 1: time I think for at least one more. Let me
Speaker 1: talk to uh Ransom.
Speaker 2: How you doing?
Speaker 1: Are?
Speaker 25: Ransom and Mike spent a couple of minutes vin since
Speaker 25: we talk last yeally many I've just been a listen
Speaker 25: to all the callers and everything I wanted to. I
Speaker 25: know you got a lot of Christian people that listen
Speaker 25: to your program on Saturdays. And about ten months ago,
Speaker 25: I tried to start a group called Primary USA that
Speaker 25: would get Grant's roots effort to hold local, state, and
Speaker 25: federal politicians accountable to the will of the people kind
Speaker 25: of lines up everything You've talked about for you and
Speaker 25: I've talked about for about the last year. I've got
Speaker 25: a meet I've got a meeting with the Great Lakes
Speaker 25: Lady from Turning Point USA Faith on Wednesday four thirty,
Speaker 25: four thirty to five on video. What I want to
Speaker 25: do is I want to see if I can network
Speaker 25: with Turning Point, which everybody should know that's Charlie Kirk's
Speaker 25: organization that Charlie founded. Charlie had humble beginnings. An eighteen
Speaker 25: year old kid had a vision, you know, and he
Speaker 25: was one person. I'm a sixty six year old guy.
Speaker 25: I tried to run for a small political office up
Speaker 25: in Columbus where I live. I got beat by three votes.
Speaker 25: I learned about it. I learned about the political process
Speaker 25: and everything you talk about every Saturday. You and I
Speaker 25: both agree about Christian values and things like that. It's
Speaker 25: all about the spiritual things that's going on. God saved
Speaker 25: Donald Trump. Unfortunately Charlie was assassinated, but there's been one
Speaker 25: point five billion people on the planet that has seen
Speaker 25: his memorial service and his organization has Wow, went through
Speaker 25: the roof.
Speaker 1: That's pretty impressive. Unfortunately, I'm running out of time here, but.
Speaker 7: I appreciate you taking play for me. I appreciate you man, absolutely.
Speaker 2: Okay, thank you bye bye.
Speaker 14: Uh.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. We all are out of time. I'm not
Speaker 1: able to get to all the calls. I hate when
Speaker 1: that happens. Call back next week, please, Hey, we got
Speaker 1: to take a break. But when we get back, we're
Speaker 1: going to talk to Christopher Smithman. Something tells me he's
Speaker 1: going to have an opinion on all this stuff with
Speaker 1: the City of Cincinnati. And we'll talk to Christopher when
Speaker 1: we get back. Mike Allen Saturday Midday.
Speaker 26: With Deve Lapham's in triment into the Bengals Ring of Honor,
Speaker 26: we pay tribute to the life of lap.
Speaker 7: Presented by Skyline. Feeling good. He's Skyline time. Now here's
Speaker 7: Dan and d Lapp.
Speaker 2: You are the starting left guard in the Bengals first
Speaker 2: Super Bowl appearance.
Speaker 17: Describe running out of the tunnel to face the forty
Speaker 17: nine ers that day in Detroit.
Speaker 27: You know, you focused laser focus on what you need
Speaker 27: to do to play well. You don't want to go
Speaker 27: out there forever be known as the stiff that played
Speaker 27: so poorly.
Speaker 2: This team had no shot.
Speaker 27: You just got tooled and taken advantage of to the
Speaker 27: point of ridiculousness. You didn't want that to happen. But
Speaker 27: I do remember I roomed with Kenny Anderson. He would
Speaker 27: tell me to throw a play out there and he'd
Speaker 27: do the formation and everything with it, and then the reverse.
Speaker 27: I'd do a formation, he do plays with that formation,
Speaker 27: whatever the case may be. I basically studied my game
Speaker 27: plan out in the field, plays, goal line, short yardage.
Speaker 27: I wanted to make sure that I was on top
Speaker 27: of all of it. Any Innerston I think was a
Speaker 27: big influence to me in that regard as well.
Speaker 26: For more on the life of Lap keep it here
Speaker 26: on seven hundred WLW, the Home of the best Spangals coverage.
Speaker 28: Have you taken your family to dinner recently and been
Speaker 28: shocked by the price of that bill? Listen, Recent studies
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Speaker 1: News Radio seven hundred WLW Mike Allen with our three
Speaker 1: third and final hour of Saturday Midday. Well, I'll tell
Speaker 1: you what we've been talking about it all morning, and
Speaker 1: that's the situation with the City of Cincinnati with the
Speaker 1: election coming up, and just the disrespectful treatment that the
Speaker 1: chief of Police, Chief Fiji has gotten. It's just, in
Speaker 1: my opinion, it's just reprehensible. Here to talk about it
Speaker 1: is former Vice mayor, former chair of the Law and
Speaker 1: Public Safety Committee, and financial advisor par excellence, Christopher Smithman. Christopher,
Speaker 1: thanks so much for calling in.
Speaker 14: Thank you, Mike. I so appreciate you having me on,
Speaker 14: and I've been listening to your show.
Speaker 7: And let me.
Speaker 14: Give a shout out to Captain Neville, who he was
Speaker 14: a great police officer and servant like his sister Chickspiji.
Speaker 14: What a wonderful family, and you've done a beautiful job
Speaker 14: of making it clear to your listening audience. Tell you,
Speaker 14: the most riveting thing that I heard, the most riveting
Speaker 14: thing that I heard this morning was the citizen who
Speaker 14: called in and said she had this this bad interaction
Speaker 14: with our mayor kind of stummed it up. For me, right,
Speaker 14: Like it's like a detail, but that detail is really
Speaker 14: important because you said it was bad politics. But even
Speaker 14: if it was being bad politics, just a rewind on that.
Speaker 14: The citizen said she saw our mayor. She said good
Speaker 14: morning to the mayor at a at a home depot,
Speaker 14: and the mayor was dismissed, and it left her with
Speaker 14: the sense that our mayor really isn't interested in being
Speaker 14: the mayor. And I agree with that sentiment. Like he
Speaker 14: has these attitudes. That is why he can try to
Speaker 14: destroy the reputation of a neble like he's doing, because
Speaker 14: he's disconnected from us. I love Cincinnadians. I breed it,
Speaker 14: I eat it, I love it. That's the only reason
Speaker 14: I'm coming back. I don't have to come back. I'm
Speaker 14: trying to come back because things are so crazy and
Speaker 14: we have to have common sense and experience on this council.
Speaker 14: And I'll say one of the things before I pivot
Speaker 14: away from this is notice how the citizen talked about
Speaker 14: Cincinnatians like Bobby Stern. Right. The reflection was, you remember
Speaker 14: the days where you had real states people that were
Speaker 14: serving like a tyrone yate as an example, Right, So
Speaker 14: these are people that have served us, and it clearly
Speaker 14: right now. Collectively we have a council who seems to
Speaker 14: be very, very disconnected. And I'll give this example, how
Speaker 14: in the world could you have a police chief terminated
Speaker 14: in this fashion? And this past Wednesday, no member of
Speaker 14: council bring it up.
Speaker 7: Oh is that realbody?
Speaker 14: Nobody talked about it on the floor council. There was
Speaker 14: literally no discussion, like it never happened.
Speaker 1: It's like they don't know what they're doing. I mean
Speaker 1: you probably, I'm sure you saw it, Christopher. The mayor
Speaker 1: comes out then and so so now wait a minute,
Speaker 1: wait a minute. I am going to instruct the police
Speaker 1: department to start focusing on these small crimes, which is
Speaker 1: really what should have been done all along. But I
Speaker 1: think it's a little schizophrenic, don't you.
Speaker 14: I really do what you have right now? And I
Speaker 14: think Captain Neville Russ Neville really made it clear with
Speaker 14: one word scapegoat.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 14: You know, you have a situation here where the mayor
Speaker 14: is feeling the heat. He doesn't really know where he
Speaker 14: is with the electorate because there could be this silent
Speaker 14: majority out here people that are saying I want to
Speaker 14: change and I want to go with Voteman. Nobody knows,
Speaker 14: but I could tell you that if Westsiders are listening
Speaker 14: to you and listening to your show, and we already
Speaker 14: know the voter turnout is low, and we also know
Speaker 14: that traditional voters only show up on November the fourth, yep, right,
Speaker 14: And so think about if there's a wave on election
Speaker 14: day where those conservative Republican blue dog Democrats who won't
Speaker 14: vote in the thirty days because they don't believe in
Speaker 14: voting thirty days early, if they all show up, Wat's
Speaker 14: what happens.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with you.
Speaker 14: It will change the total complexion of council, and it
Speaker 14: will change the total it will change the Mayor's office.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, and for the mayor to make such
Speaker 1: an abrupt about face on that issue of you know,
Speaker 1: the Giuliani method enforcing all offenses and things like that,
Speaker 1: I kind of wonder if maybe there's some polling or
Speaker 1: something out there that says this is going to be
Speaker 1: a competitive race.
Speaker 2: I don't know. That's nothing more than me speculating.
Speaker 14: Yeah, but at the end of the day, we know that,
Speaker 14: you know, collectively, we've crime is really high right now,
Speaker 14: and you know this notion where the mayor has been
Speaker 14: saying that it's just our what our perception when you
Speaker 14: and I know that it is the reality. No, you're
Speaker 14: right right, it'sn't our reality. So why would you fire
Speaker 14: the police chief If everything's okay, If you've been telling
Speaker 14: everybody that that crime is low, it means that the
Speaker 14: what that the that the police chief has been doing
Speaker 14: a good job.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 14: So he said that in every debate against Corey Bowman.
Speaker 14: So if that's true, why then do you need to
Speaker 14: fire the person who is responsible for low crime? So
Speaker 14: we can't have it both ways. You can't turn around
Speaker 14: and say one thing like hey, hey, Cincinnatians, crime is low.
Speaker 14: This is just your perception, and then say no, we've
Speaker 14: got to change because crime is I guess high, and
Speaker 14: this police chief isn't doing a good job. We're going
Speaker 14: to hire this outside consultant, in my opinion, to try
Speaker 14: to bury the police chief and say hey, we already
Speaker 14: know where we're going with it. We're gonna spend a
Speaker 14: million dollars on this outside council so that we're gonna
Speaker 14: have some documentation. I'll say one thing, and I know
Speaker 14: I'm talkative here, but this police chief in thirty five years,
Speaker 14: has never had a citation of anything bad in her record. Ever,
Speaker 14: this is the first time she's ever had a run in.
Speaker 14: So it's gonna be difficult to the mayor and his
Speaker 14: staff who are listening to this. To the city manager
Speaker 14: and members of council, it's gonna be very difficult for
Speaker 14: you to go before a judge and try to blame
Speaker 14: this police chief for high crime when the mayor has
Speaker 14: been saying crime is low and commending her on her job.
Speaker 14: So this is going to cost the taxpayers at least
Speaker 14: a million dollars at the end when they settle it,
Speaker 14: and it will cost the fire chief, who also they
Speaker 14: terminated in a foul way, in a poor way. It
Speaker 14: probably will cost three, four or five million dollars for
Speaker 14: Chief Washington. So I don't get it. I don't know
Speaker 14: what they're doing here, Mike Allen. All I can tell
Speaker 14: you is right now, we need voters to show up.
Speaker 14: You know, voting is an action if you care about what,
Speaker 14: if you care about your city, we desperately need you
Speaker 14: to show up and participate in this election, desperately.
Speaker 2: No question. What's the situation with the early voting.
Speaker 1: I know it's going on now, but it stops at
Speaker 1: a certain point, doesn't it.
Speaker 14: It does. It stops in a week Sunday of next week.
Speaker 14: This time week is the last time you could go
Speaker 14: to the Norwood location and vote in person early. But
Speaker 14: like I said, let's say voter turnout right now is
Speaker 14: fifteen percent of eighty five percent of registered voters haven't
Speaker 14: shown up and right now aren't participating eighty five Right now,
Speaker 14: we're doing door to door work right in a neighborhood
Speaker 14: right now, and we know when we get ten doors
Speaker 14: right eight of them aren't showing even though they're registered
Speaker 14: to vote. It's like looking for a diamond in the rough.
Speaker 14: You don't know who's ultimately going to show up. But
Speaker 14: things like this, moments like this in time, right when
Speaker 14: you think about it, I'm not exaggerating here in public,
Speaker 14: I'm not when you think about people who have served
Speaker 14: our country, right military, people who've given their life so
Speaker 14: that we have a flag that we can put on
Speaker 14: the outside of our house. When you have people like
Speaker 14: chif Fiji who've given thirty five years of her life
Speaker 14: in service to our city, protecting us every day from
Speaker 14: bad people from crawling into our windows and hurting us,
Speaker 14: really bad. Like what happens is Sarah and Patrick hearing
Speaker 14: her down in OTR. These are people that are giving
Speaker 14: us everything. Why wouldn't we show up right now? For
Speaker 14: Chiefs Fiji. Now, look, Mike, there might be points where
Speaker 14: I've disagreed with the direction of the chiefs. Okay, that's
Speaker 14: with any professional. But there's no way in my imagination
Speaker 14: would I ever believe that they would dehumanize and treat
Speaker 14: her the way they are treating her right now. This
Speaker 14: is just absolutely wrong. And it's now time for the jury.
Speaker 14: The jury are the voters to show up and show
Speaker 14: out and participate. And we need voter turnout to go
Speaker 14: from fifteen percent to fifty percent, from fifteen percent to
Speaker 14: eighty five percent. And so I'll in there with those comments.
Speaker 14: Love is a verb. When my wife passed away and
Speaker 14: through our marriage, we would always say love is a verb.
Speaker 14: Don't tell me you love me, show me you love me.
Speaker 2: There you go.
Speaker 7: If you love our.
Speaker 14: City the way I love it, I love the Queen City.
Speaker 14: If you love your neighbor the way I love my neighbors,
Speaker 14: this is the time for the jury box, which are voters,
Speaker 14: to show up and reject the direction of our city
Speaker 14: by saying no to this leadership and bringing in some
Speaker 14: help with with some new names.
Speaker 2: I gotcha. Let me ask you this.
Speaker 1: And I used to go door to door too when
Speaker 1: I was running for the stuff, going door to door
Speaker 1: the ones that you're able to connect with and yea,
Speaker 1: I have a small conversation with Are you seeing that
Speaker 1: they're as concerned about the crime issue as you and
Speaker 1: I are or even close to that?
Speaker 2: What are you learning through that they.
Speaker 14: Are very concerned And it doesn't matter whether we're talking
Speaker 14: to black voters or write voters, our Latino voters. Everybody
Speaker 14: is saying the same thing and out name neighborhoods like
Speaker 14: we're in bond here. We did that door to door
Speaker 14: rose on. Anybody listening, they'll say, yes, I got someone
Speaker 14: Smithman's literature at my door. I mean, we're really doing
Speaker 14: aggressive door to door work. So I don't want to
Speaker 14: I don't want to mislead your your your listening audiences
Speaker 14: that we're not doing it. We're doing it. We're in
Speaker 14: Columbia telsculum to day, door to door. Here's what citizens
Speaker 14: are saying. They're scared as hell and they're worried about
Speaker 14: going into downtown and being hurt. Right They're concerned about
Speaker 14: their city. They're concerned about the leadership things that there is,
Speaker 14: the things that they're saying. They're not even getting to
Speaker 14: the basics of whether their streets are being plowed or
Speaker 14: whether they're potholes. Right now. This is about I'm concerned
Speaker 14: about my personhood right now, concerned when they see somebody
Speaker 14: shooting on Fountain Square and you have a consultant saying, Hey,
Speaker 14: I'm going to go down there, and I'm concerned about
Speaker 14: the babies. Look, there's a difference between our children who
Speaker 14: are at home doing their homework wherever they go to
Speaker 14: a Cincinnati public school or a private school, and somebody
Speaker 14: who decides to take a weapon and charge it on
Speaker 14: Fountain Square. The context of that is so crazy. And
Speaker 14: when you think about what happened at Fifth Third, we
Speaker 14: had our officers Cincinnati three D. Let's never forget we
Speaker 14: had an active shooter when I was the vice mayor
Speaker 14: and John Cranley was the mayor inside of the fifth
Speaker 14: third building on Fountain Square. Yet shooting on Fountain Square,
Speaker 14: it feels like a terrorist attack. You don't know what's
Speaker 14: going on, and when you create that kind of uncertainty,
Speaker 14: for our corporate leaders, whether it's Jeff Ruby who said, hey,
Speaker 14: his daughter said, you know, these are good people. They
Speaker 14: love the city. They don't want to hurt the city.
Speaker 14: But they're saying, hey, we're going to move our catering
Speaker 14: business to another location. They don't want to connect it
Speaker 14: to the crime. But the reality of it is, that's
Speaker 14: what's happening when you see Tastes of Belgium and OTR
Speaker 14: saying they're moving out. Here's what I'm trying to say,
Speaker 14: Mike Allah. If we don't you as a prosecutor from
Speaker 14: a prosecutor, if we don't get content all of the crime,
Speaker 14: there is no development. There are no tools, there's no
Speaker 14: tourism right. There are no visitors from Mason Kinwood, Indian Hill,
Speaker 14: Amberley Village, wherever you want to there. Our region needs
Speaker 14: the core to be healthy financially and to make sure
Speaker 14: that it's safe and without it, the rest of our
Speaker 14: mayor's around, whether it's Reading mayor or whether it's the
Speaker 14: Saint Bernard mayor there, they are not gonna be our
Speaker 14: partners with their residents coming into the court because they
Speaker 14: don't feel safe. So we want to turn our city around.
Speaker 14: We're gonna have to change the direction, which means the
Speaker 14: keeping of good and a Lakita Cole A dree House.
Speaker 14: I'm giving a Linda Matthews. Right, we're gonna I'm just
Speaker 14: naming some of the people that are running. A Corey
Speaker 14: Bowman who's running for mayor. We're gonna have to this
Speaker 14: notion that we keep talking about who Corey Bowman's brother is.
Speaker 14: I don't give care. I don't care, Mike Alan. The
Speaker 14: only thing I care about is the city and getting
Speaker 14: somebody in that chair who loves Cincinnati as much as
Speaker 14: I love it.
Speaker 1: Yep, I hear you. Chris, Hey, listen. Unfortunately we're out
Speaker 1: of time. That really appreciates you taking time out of
Speaker 1: banging on doors to talk to us.
Speaker 2: And we'll definitely be.
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Speaker 2: My pleasure. Thank you. Christopher. All right.
Speaker 1: Christopher Smithman never shy about giving his point of view,
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Speaker 1: to take a break, but when we get back, we're
Speaker 1: going to continue talking on the topic we've talked about
Speaker 1: all morning, Cincinnati Police Department, the treatment of Chief Fiji
Speaker 1: and Ken Kober. Looks like the FOP is going to
Speaker 1: at least be supportive of an effort to repeal Issue five.
Speaker 1: And I'm going to ask Ken about that specifically. We'll
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Speaker 1: closing half hour of saying, well, we've been talking about
Speaker 1: it all morning with a number of different people, the status,
Speaker 1: the situation of the treatment of the police chief and
Speaker 1: using her as a political pawn, and I certainly think
Speaker 1: both of those things are true and it's reprehensible.
Speaker 7: It shouldn't be happening.
Speaker 1: The other thing I saw yesterday which sure made my
Speaker 1: ears perk up, the potential repeal of Issue five, which
Speaker 1: people in the know knew back in two thousand and one.
Speaker 1: At some point this is going to bite us in
Speaker 1: the butt, and it looks like that period of time
Speaker 1: has come. Here to talk about it is a guy
Speaker 1: who knows about it. FOP President Lodge sixty nine, Ken Kover, Ken,
Speaker 1: thanks so much for joining us.
Speaker 7: Thank good, Mary, Mike, thanks for having my pleasure.
Speaker 2: My pleasure.
Speaker 1: It seems unequivalent to me. I mean, the FOP sixty
Speaker 1: nine is supporting Chief Fiji, correct.
Speaker 23: Absolutely, you know, but but this, this whole thing is
Speaker 23: much much bigger than just Chief Fiji. The way that
Speaker 23: she's been treated. Yea, a thirty five year veteran of
Speaker 23: this police department deserves to be treated better, because if
Speaker 23: they'll treat the chief like this, how.
Speaker 7: Are they going to treat a police officer? Amen.
Speaker 23: That's that's why everybody's all rout up about this.
Speaker 1: It speaks volumes. I mean, it really does. The other
Speaker 1: thing I heard, I don't know whether it's true or not.
Speaker 1: I've heard it from a couple of different people is
Speaker 1: for the thirty four to thirty five years, she doesn't
Speaker 1: have anything negative in her jacket, which I think you
Speaker 1: would agree if that's accurate, that's that's pretty impressive.
Speaker 23: Well, sure, absolutely. And you know, in just two months
Speaker 23: ago you had the mayor that was praising her, how
Speaker 23: how much confidence he had in the work that she
Speaker 23: was doing, and then all of a sudden, two weeks
Speaker 23: from election, and you know she somehow is is just
Speaker 23: not fit to be the police chief, which to me
Speaker 23: is certainly concerning.
Speaker 1: Let me ask you this, and I agree with you.
Speaker 1: What do you think the reason for that treatment is?
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously it's political in nature. It just it
Speaker 1: seems like some of the stuff's come out of nowhere.
Speaker 1: I guess it's because it's a silly season.
Speaker 23: But what do you think, Well, it goes back to
Speaker 23: her last press conference that they did the day before
Speaker 23: they ordered her back when she was out of town
Speaker 23: representing the city in the police department. And in that
Speaker 23: press conference, her last words that she said was cops
Speaker 23: are going to go out and do their job, and
Speaker 23: I'm going to back you one hundred percent.
Speaker 7: We've got to do this, yep. And that was like
Speaker 7: the final straw.
Speaker 23: It's like, oh my gosh, we can't have proactive policing,
Speaker 23: we can't have all this stuff going on. And I
Speaker 23: talked to her after this, after that press conference, I
Speaker 23: talked to her and I'm like, listen, there's no doubt
Speaker 23: that you're going to support us.
Speaker 7: The question is is city Hall that's the problem.
Speaker 23: And that's I think was the final straw of where, Okay,
Speaker 23: we're done with this.
Speaker 7: We've got we've got to get her out of here,
Speaker 7: you know.
Speaker 1: And yeah, that's the problem obviously, and I guess it
Speaker 1: always has been.
Speaker 2: But you know, they need that support.
Speaker 1: And you and I have talked innumerable times ken about
Speaker 1: you know, people stick police officers, sticking their neck out
Speaker 1: when they know that they're not going to get backed up,
Speaker 1: and that's the problem. But hey, I wanted to read
Speaker 1: you something that that the mayor said, and it's from
Speaker 1: Channel nine and I don't understand this. Maybe you can
Speaker 1: help me. The mayor told reporters on Wednesday that placing
Speaker 1: the chief on leave makes the city safer because it
Speaker 1: provides strength and leadership and command control. My head's spinning,
Speaker 1: ken Kober, I mean, what do you make of that?
Speaker 7: It's absolute nonsense. You know.
Speaker 23: You know now we have we have Colonel Henny that's
Speaker 23: in charge of the police department right now, more than capable.
Speaker 23: He is the absolutely fantastic person, is a leader. If
Speaker 23: they allow him to lead, things will be better.
Speaker 7: But you could say the same thing about Chief Fiji.
Speaker 7: If City Hall would.
Speaker 23: Stay out of, you know, the day to day operations
Speaker 23: of the police department, she's more than capable of leading
Speaker 23: this place and it would be.
Speaker 7: A safer place.
Speaker 23: However, you know, this is all occurring because of failed
Speaker 23: policies yep from City Hall that have trickled into the
Speaker 23: police department. And the reality is, unless they allow Colonel
Speaker 23: Henny to run this department the way he sees fit,
Speaker 23: we're not going to see any change. We're going to
Speaker 23: have the same problems we have now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know that is pretty much what city
Speaker 1: council does. I think I wanted to read you one
Speaker 1: other thing that he said too that you know, I
Speaker 1: think it speaks volumes. Anyway, Mayor's quota is saying we
Speaker 1: need change and if I again and if I have
Speaker 1: to force change through arrests and through enforcement, then unfortunate,
Speaker 1: that's what we're going to have to do. Sounds to
Speaker 1: me like he wants to be the chief of police.
Speaker 23: Yeah, I've never seen him make an arrest. I've never
Speaker 23: seen him where you'll have a pair of handcuffs.
Speaker 12: In his hands.
Speaker 2: I mean it just but go ahead, I'm sorry, go ahead.
Speaker 23: But as all this is going on, you know, he
Speaker 23: has told me time after time that the chief Chief
Speaker 23: Figi is my law enforcement expert because I'm not a cop.
Speaker 23: But yet then he goes and does everything that is
Speaker 23: contrary to that statement, and that's why we're where we are.
Speaker 1: Your thoughts on the treatment of Chief Fiji, I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, one day they're not going to do anything.
Speaker 2: The next day they're taking job action.
Speaker 1: Now the city's hiring a law firm, I guess to
Speaker 1: critique her, Well, I don't know what expertise any law
Speaker 1: firm would have but just your thoughts in general on that.
Speaker 23: I mean, my thought on hiring this this law for
Speaker 23: him to do this is you might as well just
Speaker 23: throw money in burn barrel. Really, I mean this, this
Speaker 23: is crazy that we're going to spend money on something
Speaker 23: like this. The reality is, for whatever reason, they don't
Speaker 23: want her to be the chief, and there are so
Speaker 23: many different ways, better ways that they could have handled
Speaker 23: this instead of doing this publicly, you know, having her
Speaker 23: fly across the country only for her to land and go, oh,
Speaker 23: by the way, we need you back tomorrow. And they
Speaker 23: didn't fire her. It was, oh, we're going to ask
Speaker 23: you to resign. They're asking her to resign because they
Speaker 23: know there is nothing that she has done is worthy
Speaker 23: of her termination. But but you know, we're gonna be
Speaker 23: we're gonna put you on a ministrative leave, so we're
Speaker 23: gonna we're gonna keep you quiet, yeah, because you can't
Speaker 23: talk because if you do, then they'll find a reason
Speaker 23: to fire you.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 7: And the whole thing is just absolute nonsense.
Speaker 1: It is, And you know, just at of any kind
Speaker 1: of a level, it's just not right. You don't treat
Speaker 1: people like that, and you certainly don't treat a person
Speaker 1: who's given thirty four I guess it is years to
Speaker 1: the City of Cincinnati in the Cincinnati Police Department.
Speaker 2: Just don't do that.
Speaker 1: I get politics, and sometimes you gotta do what you
Speaker 1: gotta do, but there's right and wrong and this ain't right.
Speaker 23: No, you're absolutely right, And the bottom line is you
Speaker 23: can blame her for crime all you want, but the
Speaker 23: reality is, and we've seen this, all of these shootings
Speaker 23: that have taken place, all the suspects are people that
Speaker 23: we're either.
Speaker 7: Out on a low or our.
Speaker 23: Bond, they're on community control, they're on probation. And the
Speaker 23: reality is the judges are the ones.
Speaker 7: That are ultimately going to have to fix us. Yep.
Speaker 23: And you're going to have to have people like Josh
Speaker 23: Berklewitz to get reelected. That's going to set high bonds
Speaker 23: for people that is going to take crime seriously. And
Speaker 23: unless things like that happen, we're going to continue to
Speaker 23: just spin our wheels.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you're right about that.
Speaker 1: And boy, the judiciary and each judge's individual, I get that,
Speaker 1: but the judiciary has changed quite a bit in this county.
Speaker 1: I got to ask you this, and this made me happy.
Speaker 1: When I saw the billboard. I didn't see it in person,
Speaker 1: if you will, I saw a picture of it that talks.
Speaker 2: About Issue five.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what, Ken Kober, I don't know where
Speaker 1: you were in two thousand and one, but those of
Speaker 1: us who knew a little bit of what we were
Speaker 1: talking about knew that at some point this thing, Issue
Speaker 1: five taking away civil service protection from the chief of police,
Speaker 1: was going to bite somebody in the butt, and that
Speaker 1: time has come. Is the FOP going to mount an
Speaker 1: effort because it'll have to get on the ballot, but
Speaker 1: mount an effort to get that thing repealed?
Speaker 23: Absolutely? You know, in two thousand and one, I was
Speaker 23: a very very young police department employee.
Speaker 7: When I saw it.
Speaker 23: When it happened in two thousand and one, I'm like, man,
Speaker 23: this is not going to be good. You know, Keith
Speaker 23: Hygman was the president. Oh yeah, I'm the FOP, and
Speaker 23: I heard what he had to say about it, I
Speaker 23: heard what all the people that were running the FOP
Speaker 23: had to say about it. I'm like, yeah, this this
Speaker 23: is likely going to be bad. And unfortunately, here we
Speaker 23: are twenty four years later and we're seeing just that.
Speaker 23: We are absolutely going to be mounting an effort.
Speaker 7: To change it.
Speaker 23: I'm not I'm not suggesting that we necessarily repeal it,
Speaker 23: because I don't think the citizens in the city are
Speaker 23: going to be okay with going back to the way
Speaker 23: things were. But what I do think is that we
Speaker 23: need to find a happy medium, something that everybody can
Speaker 23: live with. But the ultimate goal is the chief has
Speaker 23: got to have some kind of protection from one person
Speaker 23: terminating them and this person the city manager. Now and
Speaker 23: this isn't a slam on shere along, but the city
Speaker 23: manager alone. They're they're appointed, They're they're not even elected
Speaker 23: by the public. How are we going to allow somebody
Speaker 23: that's appointed to make the decision whether or not the
Speaker 23: fire chief, the police chief is going to be fired.
Speaker 23: And what have we seen? You know, they fired the
Speaker 23: fire chief last year and that has been an absolute disaster.
Speaker 23: Now we have the going on with Chief Fiji. The
Speaker 23: council of the elected people of this city need to
Speaker 23: be able to have some say so as.
Speaker 7: To what goes on, you know.
Speaker 1: And the other thing too, I think what has to
Speaker 1: happen is the chief has to have some and I
Speaker 1: get a happy medium. The chief has to have that
Speaker 1: civil service protection because I'll tell you what, if you're
Speaker 1: talking about Tom Striker or Larry Whalen, we wouldn't be
Speaker 1: going through that crap because they wouldn't have any of it,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Well.
Speaker 23: That's the whole reason that came about is because Chief
Speaker 23: Striker ran the department the way that he thought was best,
Speaker 23: and they hated that he didn't have to succumb to
Speaker 23: pressure from city hall. And city hall hated that at
Speaker 23: the time, you know, they hated that. You're like, there's
Speaker 23: nothing we can do to him. And then, believe me,
Speaker 23: we were thankful, you know, to have a chief that
Speaker 23: would able to stand up the city Hall and be
Speaker 23: able to say and do what they thought was best.
Speaker 23: But it was something that you know, this whole politics and.
Speaker 7: Policing, this is where we're at because of this exactly.
Speaker 7: So there have to be changed.
Speaker 1: There has to be And do you want the City
Speaker 1: of Cincinnati, I'm asking this rhetorically to become a police
Speaker 1: department like Chicago Portland where the politicians do run it.
Speaker 2: I think we.
Speaker 1: Were very well served for a lot of years doing
Speaker 1: it the way where there was a civil service test
Speaker 1: for chief and you know, and the chief had civil
Speaker 1: service protection and if there's a happy median out there
Speaker 1: that people think could get passed by the electorate.
Speaker 2: Hey man, I'm all for it.
Speaker 1: I'm all for it, and I think there's going to
Speaker 1: be a lot of people, can Kober that will want
Speaker 1: to work on that campaign, and I'll tell you I'll
Speaker 1: be the first one in line.
Speaker 6: Now.
Speaker 23: Absolutely, I said, this is this is something that is
Speaker 23: so much bigger, you know, than what's going on right now.
Speaker 23: This is going to change who could be a leader
Speaker 23: in this department for the next fifty years.
Speaker 7: Yep. But it's something that absolutely has to be done.
Speaker 7: You know, as long as I'm.
Speaker 23: In the position that I'm in, I'm going to do
Speaker 23: everything I can to make sure that this changes that
Speaker 23: that it happens.
Speaker 2: I'm glad you're on top of it. Hey, we're out
Speaker 2: of time, Ken.
Speaker 1: I really appreciate your point of view on this and
Speaker 1: hope we can call on you in the future.
Speaker 7: Yeah. Sure, thanks for having me, Mike, Okay.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 1: Well there you go. I mean, you heard it from
Speaker 1: the horse's mouth. The FOP is going to mount a
Speaker 1: challenge to Issue five, which you know that's not an
Speaker 1: easy thing to do, but I know those police officers
Speaker 1: and if they make up of their mind that they're
Speaker 1: going to try to fight something, they'll do it. And
Speaker 1: this is appropriate to do that too, because it just
Speaker 1: it changes the UH. I don't know the attitude complexion,
Speaker 1: whatever you want to say in the police department when
Speaker 1: it's run by politicians, and that should not be anyway.
Speaker 1: I am out of here. Be back next week. What
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