WEBVTT - Sports Talk 1-9-26 0:00:07.600 --> 0:00:12.440 The following takes place between six pm and seven pm. 0:00:12.680 --> 0:00:14.760 You want answers. I think I'm entitled. 0:00:14.760 --> 0:00:16.880 You what answer the truth? 0:00:17.120 --> 0:00:18.759 You can't handle the truth? 0:00:19.000 --> 0:00:19.239 True? 0:00:19.680 --> 0:00:22.320 True? 0:00:22.560 --> 0:00:25.560 Oh man, here we go six oh eight, seven hundred 0:00:25.640 --> 0:00:28.200 WLW Welcome in on a Friday night where we got 0:00:28.200 --> 0:00:32.519 three full hours Arnel Carrier Sports Talk presented by Kelsey Chevrolet. 0:00:32.600 --> 0:00:35.120 I'm Lance McAllister. If you can't tell I am fired 0:00:35.200 --> 0:00:38.640 up for what is about to unfold. We've got so 0:00:38.720 --> 0:00:40.080 much to get to. What do you say? I take 0:00:40.080 --> 0:00:42.120 care of some headlines that we can go. We start 0:00:42.120 --> 0:00:44.600 with the Bengals. Player personnel director Duke Tobin met with 0:00:44.640 --> 0:00:47.159 the media today armed with a note. Paddy spoke for 0:00:47.320 --> 0:00:50.880 just over an hour. Reaction from beat writer Mike Petrolia 0:00:51.000 --> 0:00:53.040 trags coming up at six point twenty, and then your 0:00:53.080 --> 0:00:56.720 reaction after that. NFL playoffs kick off this weekend six 0:00:56.800 --> 0:01:00.400 wildcard games. The Browns have requested an interview with Argers 0:01:00.400 --> 0:01:03.880 defensive coordinator Jesse Minter for their head coaching job. He's 0:01:03.920 --> 0:01:06.760 the son of the former UC coach Rick Minter. The 0:01:06.840 --> 0:01:11.280 Browns interviewed Bengals offensive coordinator Dan Pitcher earlier today. The 0:01:11.400 --> 0:01:15.920 Ravens interviewed former Browns coach Kevin Stefanski today for their 0:01:15.959 --> 0:01:18.360 head coaching opening. He'll be acquiziting all this a little 0:01:18.360 --> 0:01:21.680 bit later. On college football playoff semi final action Tonight, 0:01:21.760 --> 0:01:24.760 Indiana and Oregon in the Peach Bowl from Atlanta, kickoff 0:01:24.840 --> 0:01:27.720 seven point thirty on ESPN fifteen to thirty. How about 0:01:27.720 --> 0:01:31.200 that game last night? Holy Cal Four Bearcats get invited 0:01:31.240 --> 0:01:34.880 to the NFL scouting Combine tight end Joe Royer, defensive 0:01:34.880 --> 0:01:39.120 tackle Dante Corleone, linebacker Jake Golday, wide receiver Jeff Caldwell. 0:01:39.160 --> 0:01:42.120 How about this note from Justin Williams of the Athletic 0:01:42.280 --> 0:01:46.200 Brendan sooresby former UC quarterback Owes. You see one million 0:01:46.280 --> 0:01:50.680 dollars stemming from a buyout in his NIL contract. Earlier 0:01:50.800 --> 0:01:53.520 this week he signed with Texas Tech for a deal 0:01:53.600 --> 0:01:56.840 reportedly worth summer in the neighborhood of five to five 0:01:57.040 --> 0:02:01.400 plus million dollars. College basketball Tonight, the NKAU Norris on 0:02:01.440 --> 0:02:03.320 the road to take on Milwaukee and a rise in 0:02:03.400 --> 0:02:06.040 league action. Jim Kelch and Rick Brewering have it at 0:02:06.080 --> 0:02:09.280 eight on ESPN fifteen thirty. Miami tries to get the 0:02:09.440 --> 0:02:13.040 seventeen to oh Travis Steele's RedHawks are at Toledo, the 0:02:13.120 --> 0:02:16.000 one hundred and forty first meeting between the two programs. 0:02:16.200 --> 0:02:20.400 Miami one of just six teams still undefeated in the country. 0:02:20.600 --> 0:02:23.280 Wright State is at Detroit Mercy. More on the college 0:02:23.320 --> 0:02:26.959 basketball front with the Kelsey Chevallet College Basketball Weekend preview. 0:02:27.400 --> 0:02:31.400 Later on in hockey, the Cyclone skating at Fort Wayne tonight. 0:02:31.639 --> 0:02:34.120 All right, the story of today is Duke Tobin. Trags 0:02:34.160 --> 0:02:37.040 is gonna check in with reaction in about nine minutes. 0:02:37.240 --> 0:02:39.720 Let me give you the setup to this, maybe an 0:02:39.760 --> 0:02:44.760 appetizer for our conversation. Here's about a two minute we'll 0:02:44.760 --> 0:02:47.000 call it the two minute drill. But Duke Tobin part 0:02:47.040 --> 0:02:50.320 of his opening comments today here is Duke. 0:02:51.440 --> 0:02:54.640 It goes without saying, this season is not what we expect, 0:02:55.320 --> 0:02:59.800 certainly not what we will accept. And everybody here knows 0:02:59.840 --> 0:03:05.000 that it was frustrating, it was challenging, it was disappointing 0:03:05.800 --> 0:03:08.960 for all of us, but more importantly, it was all 0:03:09.000 --> 0:03:12.160 those things for our fans. We feel that that weighs 0:03:12.200 --> 0:03:17.919 on us. It hurts us because we know that they 0:03:17.960 --> 0:03:22.040 have high expectations for us. We embrace those high expectations. 0:03:22.360 --> 0:03:26.280 Believe me, we have high expectations for this football team 0:03:26.400 --> 0:03:29.920 as well. We didn't meet those expectations. The group we 0:03:30.000 --> 0:03:32.880 put out there did not fulfill those expectations. 0:03:33.560 --> 0:03:34.880 So it motivates us. 0:03:34.960 --> 0:03:38.160 It really motivates us to be better, to put a 0:03:38.200 --> 0:03:41.840 group out there that will make the city proud, that 0:03:41.920 --> 0:03:44.400 will finish games. We have a lot of work to 0:03:44.440 --> 0:03:47.520 do this offseason. We are aware of that. We're motivated 0:03:47.560 --> 0:03:50.880 for it, we're excited about it. We have a football 0:03:50.920 --> 0:03:55.840 team that has some challenges that we've got to solve, 0:03:56.240 --> 0:03:59.800 But beyond that, we have a football team that has 0:03:59.840 --> 0:04:02.480 a lot of positives to build on and a lot 0:04:02.480 --> 0:04:04.880 of things we're proud of and a lot of reasons 0:04:04.880 --> 0:04:09.560 for optimism. So those are things that we're excited about. 0:04:09.960 --> 0:04:13.400 We just have to this offseason. It's going to be 0:04:13.440 --> 0:04:16.559 all about the who's doing it, the what they're doing, 0:04:17.279 --> 0:04:20.719 and how they're doing it. That's the focus. I really 0:04:20.760 --> 0:04:23.520 believe in the group that we have here. I've been 0:04:23.520 --> 0:04:27.240 here a long time. I don't take this job lightly. 0:04:27.880 --> 0:04:30.840 I don't take it for granted. It's the only job 0:04:30.880 --> 0:04:34.360 I've wanted. It's what I've chosen to do with my life. 0:04:34.400 --> 0:04:37.279 This team is part of my fabric I wake up 0:04:37.480 --> 0:04:40.599 with the singular focus of how to make this team better. 0:04:40.880 --> 0:04:41.880 It's what I do. 0:04:42.360 --> 0:04:45.040 It's a part of who I am in the city 0:04:45.080 --> 0:04:49.039 that is my home. It hurts when we're not representing 0:04:49.080 --> 0:04:51.320 the city the way that we need to. I think 0:04:51.320 --> 0:04:55.080 we're capable of it. I'm confident. I think there's great 0:04:55.160 --> 0:04:58.200 days ahead for our football team. There's a lot of 0:04:58.240 --> 0:05:01.359 work to do. We're motivated to do it, We're excited 0:05:01.480 --> 0:05:02.479 to be here. 0:05:02.320 --> 0:05:02.840 To do it. 0:05:03.680 --> 0:05:07.400 Duke Tobin earlier today opening comments, I saved you having 0:05:07.440 --> 0:05:09.919 to listen to him. Patty's players on the back for 0:05:10.320 --> 0:05:12.800 the energy in which they played with and how engaged 0:05:12.800 --> 0:05:15.400 they were once they were eliminated from the playoffs, which 0:05:15.440 --> 0:05:17.920 I just I simply do not understand how that has 0:05:17.960 --> 0:05:20.880 become a go to for so many coaches, managers, and 0:05:20.960 --> 0:05:25.080 executives in this city, applauding their players for playing hard. 0:05:25.360 --> 0:05:28.800 The only time the effort should be mentioned is when 0:05:28.839 --> 0:05:31.960 it's lacking. I just don't get it. It's just the 0:05:32.040 --> 0:05:34.880 start of getting me fired up tonight. Up next Trags 0:05:34.960 --> 0:05:37.240 checks in, I'll ask him what he made of today, 0:05:37.279 --> 0:05:39.359 the things that stuck out in his mind, and then 0:05:39.400 --> 0:05:41.640 I'll get your reaction around the corner. Hey, thanks for 0:05:41.680 --> 0:05:44.080 being here. The weekend is here. We made it to 0:05:44.080 --> 0:05:46.520 have some fun. It's RNL Carrier Sports Talk presented by 0:05:46.600 --> 0:05:51.200 Kelsey Chevrolet. Seven hundred WLW seven hundred WLW. We are 0:05:51.279 --> 0:05:53.239 up and running on a Friday night of ARNL Carrier 0:05:53.320 --> 0:05:56.640 Sports Talk presented by Kelsey Chevrolet. Very excited to welcome in. 0:05:56.680 --> 0:06:00.360 My first guest covers the Bengals for CLNS. See with 0:06:00.440 --> 0:06:03.919 they dot com, host of the Jungle Roar podcast on YouTube. 0:06:03.960 --> 0:06:07.240 He's already dropped today's latest episode. It's an excellent listen. 0:06:07.440 --> 0:06:11.200 That would be the man we call Trags. Mike Petrolia. Mike, 0:06:11.320 --> 0:06:14.119 you were there. Let's start broad and then we'll narrow 0:06:14.160 --> 0:06:17.200 it down. Give us your general reaction to the sixty 0:06:17.320 --> 0:06:19.159 three minutes or so with Duke Tobin. 0:06:20.520 --> 0:06:28.440 Wow, that's a loaded question, Lamb. Well, I guess my 0:06:29.120 --> 0:06:33.000 general reaction is good on the Bengals to make him available. 0:06:33.560 --> 0:06:37.679 It was a very performative and perfunctory press conference. 0:06:37.720 --> 0:06:38.720 What do I mean by that? 0:06:39.240 --> 0:06:40.480 I think it was there. 0:06:40.640 --> 0:06:43.640 I think it was held so that Duke Tobin could 0:06:43.680 --> 0:06:47.080 show his faith on behalf of the front office and 0:06:47.880 --> 0:06:53.279 ownership and give their perspective on what happened this past year. 0:06:53.760 --> 0:06:57.560 It was also a pr ploy and an intelligent pr 0:06:57.680 --> 0:07:05.159 ploy to offer some sympathy to the incredibly frustrated fan base. 0:07:05.800 --> 0:07:10.880 That is why you heard Duke Tobin say multiple times 0:07:11.360 --> 0:07:16.520 that they are disheartened by Bengal fans being disheartened and 0:07:16.600 --> 0:07:20.960 that they are all about trying to change the narrative 0:07:21.640 --> 0:07:26.320 by dedicating themselves to improving the roster this offseason. But 0:07:26.400 --> 0:07:29.520 when it comes to the nuts and bolts, the x's 0:07:29.560 --> 0:07:33.280 and o's of how they're going to go about it, 0:07:33.360 --> 0:07:37.520 the people making those decisions aren't going to change. You're 0:07:37.560 --> 0:07:40.440 not going to have any additions to the scouting department, 0:07:40.840 --> 0:07:44.320 You're not going to have any additions to the Pro 0:07:44.360 --> 0:07:49.320 Football operations staff, the one that does the evaluations in 0:07:49.480 --> 0:07:54.240 free agency, for instance, Duke Tobin is not going to 0:07:54.360 --> 0:07:59.800 hire an assistant or two to help him evaluate talent. 0:08:00.120 --> 0:08:00.760 Going to do that. 0:08:01.960 --> 0:08:07.080 And what I was left with is feeling like, well, 0:08:07.120 --> 0:08:10.800 they're just going to run it back with the same people. 0:08:11.400 --> 0:08:13.960 And at the very end of the sixty three minutes, 0:08:14.400 --> 0:08:18.560 we got an insight to what he meant by that, 0:08:18.840 --> 0:08:22.600 and that is that the technique of what they do. 0:08:23.320 --> 0:08:26.080 This offseason is going to be a little bit different, 0:08:26.480 --> 0:08:30.880 meaning the personnel and the scouting department are going to 0:08:30.960 --> 0:08:34.320 try and tweak what they do. The coaching staff is 0:08:34.320 --> 0:08:37.959 going to come back with different schemes, and there's going 0:08:38.120 --> 0:08:41.640 to be a little bit of emphasis on the players 0:08:41.720 --> 0:08:44.760 to do their jobs better. That's what I was left 0:08:44.800 --> 0:08:45.920 with in tragues. 0:08:45.960 --> 0:08:48.720 When it comes to why we should believe they can 0:08:48.840 --> 0:08:52.720 fix this, the go to answer seems to be because 0:08:52.760 --> 0:08:55.400 we've done it before, and I think that weaves a 0:08:55.400 --> 0:09:00.960 lot of fans shaking their hands. Well, year's why it does. 0:09:01.400 --> 0:09:04.080 What happened in nineteen eighty one, what happened in nineteen 0:09:04.120 --> 0:09:07.840 eighty eight? What has happened so far after twenty twenty one? 0:09:08.280 --> 0:09:11.120 All three of those years that I just mentioned, of 0:09:11.120 --> 0:09:15.320 course were Super Bowl years. Well, within three years the 0:09:15.440 --> 0:09:19.280 team was headed down the slide to oblivion. Now in 0:09:19.360 --> 0:09:23.680 eighty eight they made it back after seven years and fine, 0:09:23.720 --> 0:09:27.000 But in three more years after eighty eight, what happened? 0:09:27.320 --> 0:09:31.000 They went into the dark, dark ages of Bengal football 0:09:31.880 --> 0:09:37.160 and they've been to the playoffs lance twice in ten years. 0:09:37.880 --> 0:09:42.040 Skinny on my podcast also mentioned that, and he was 0:09:42.080 --> 0:09:44.360 the one who asked Duke today, Well, you've been to 0:09:44.400 --> 0:09:48.640 the playoffs just twice in ten years. Why should any 0:09:48.679 --> 0:09:52.960 fan believe that you're capable of turning things around you 0:09:53.040 --> 0:09:57.520 and your staff? And Duke again came back with the answer, 0:09:57.880 --> 0:10:00.280 We've done it before. I believe in the p people 0:10:00.320 --> 0:10:02.599 we have in the building. Well, you may believe in 0:10:02.640 --> 0:10:05.120 the people you have in your building, but your fan 0:10:05.240 --> 0:10:10.400 base doesn't and the results aren't there. And he mentioned 0:10:10.480 --> 0:10:15.640 many times today Lance that the effort and the dedication 0:10:15.840 --> 0:10:20.880 of the coaching staff and the young players is exceptional. Well, 0:10:20.920 --> 0:10:24.800 that's great, and you see improvement in the young players terrific. 0:10:25.200 --> 0:10:29.280 Where's the production and the NFL, as is any major 0:10:29.360 --> 0:10:33.640 league sport, professional sport, it's all about production, and the 0:10:33.640 --> 0:10:37.560 Bengals production the last three years has been very poor. 0:10:38.040 --> 0:10:40.600 Last year they had a winning record, but they were 0:10:40.760 --> 0:10:43.560 nine and eight, Lance, they were four and eight with 0:10:43.720 --> 0:10:46.760 Joe Burrow starting all twelve of those games, and of 0:10:46.800 --> 0:10:52.200 course he started all seventeen. There's a serious fundamental flaw 0:10:52.800 --> 0:10:55.640 in the players that are being put around Joe Burrow, 0:10:56.440 --> 0:10:58.440 certainly on the defensive side of the ball. 0:10:58.640 --> 0:11:01.040 And you alluded to the scale outing aspect of all 0:11:01.120 --> 0:11:03.520 this and he really doubled down on the fact that 0:11:03.559 --> 0:11:06.320 despite we all know how small the department is, his 0:11:06.400 --> 0:11:08.480 belief that they have all the information they need. 0:11:10.040 --> 0:11:16.880 They believe that they would rather have fewer voices contributing 0:11:16.960 --> 0:11:20.640 to the pie, if you will, fewer chefs making the meal, 0:11:21.520 --> 0:11:26.120 because too many chefs ruin the meal. And they have 0:11:26.400 --> 0:11:29.560 believed that for forty forty five years, Lance, and it's 0:11:29.600 --> 0:11:32.000 not going to change now it is. 0:11:33.360 --> 0:11:35.040 I get still worked up over this. I got to 0:11:35.080 --> 0:11:38.240 take a breath. He also mentioned finishing in the big 0:11:38.240 --> 0:11:41.480 aspect of being not able to finish games, and yet 0:11:41.880 --> 0:11:44.400 is he what's frustrating to me trags? While he pointed 0:11:44.400 --> 0:11:47.520 out the troubles finishing this year, they had troubles finishing 0:11:47.800 --> 0:11:50.000 last year and it wasn't fixed. 0:11:50.000 --> 0:11:54.800 So it just that's not a costumeist land comment. It's 0:11:54.800 --> 0:12:01.040 a land Yes, what is the natural logic deduction you 0:12:01.160 --> 0:12:04.840 take from that? Well, if you can't finish games, it's coaching. 0:12:05.000 --> 0:12:07.800 So I interrupted Duke, and I said, well, Duke, you 0:12:07.840 --> 0:12:10.920 know what that means. It means that falls at the 0:12:10.960 --> 0:12:13.160 feet of Zach and his coaching staff. What do you 0:12:13.240 --> 0:12:16.280 think of them? And then he went into this flowery 0:12:18.200 --> 0:12:22.880 commendation and praise of Zach Taylor, and I agree, having 0:12:23.000 --> 0:12:26.600 covered Zach Taylor now for five full seasons, he's one 0:12:26.640 --> 0:12:29.559 of the brightest football people I have ever been around. 0:12:30.000 --> 0:12:31.240 But that doesn't mean. 0:12:31.160 --> 0:12:35.800 Necessarily he's a good head coach and a situational coach, 0:12:36.120 --> 0:12:39.520 especially at the end of games. What did Duke point 0:12:39.520 --> 0:12:44.440 out this afternoon, specifically, we have losing DNA at the 0:12:44.559 --> 0:12:47.920 end of games. Players make too many mistakes. They don't 0:12:47.960 --> 0:12:50.800 wrap up on tackles like Jordan Battle at the end 0:12:50.840 --> 0:12:55.960 of the Bears game. He pointed that game out specifically today, 0:12:56.120 --> 0:12:59.520 which really means to me that game stuck in his crawl. 0:13:00.200 --> 0:13:02.960 And you know, as much as the Browns game was 0:13:03.000 --> 0:13:07.760 a microcosm of the season, that Bears game ticked everybody 0:13:07.800 --> 0:13:12.360 off in the organization. And I'm sorry, but you've got 0:13:12.360 --> 0:13:16.280 to have better coaching to teach the technique. Jordan Battle 0:13:16.360 --> 0:13:20.960 is not a rookie and he, as much as Duke 0:13:21.000 --> 0:13:24.960 Tobin pointed him out as perhaps one of the cornerstones 0:13:25.000 --> 0:13:29.240 of the defense going forward, You've got to be much 0:13:29.320 --> 0:13:30.800 much better if you're. 0:13:30.760 --> 0:13:32.160 Jordan Battle going forward. 0:13:32.160 --> 0:13:34.520 And I think it's up to the coaching staff to 0:13:34.559 --> 0:13:39.000 take a long, hard look at how they're going to 0:13:39.040 --> 0:13:41.560 get Jordan Battle to be more productive, because right. 0:13:41.440 --> 0:13:44.400 Now I don't think I see it drags. It seems 0:13:44.440 --> 0:13:46.600 pretty clear based on what he said and how many 0:13:46.600 --> 0:13:49.920 times he referenced it. An emphasis will be on improving, 0:13:50.000 --> 0:13:52.440 upgrading that defensive line and pressure on the quarterback. 0:13:53.520 --> 0:13:56.360 Yep, he's all about pressure in the quarterback. He said 0:13:56.360 --> 0:13:59.520 that a couple of times this afternoon. Lance that you 0:13:59.640 --> 0:14:03.680 got to get after the quarterback. And rebuilding the defense 0:14:03.800 --> 0:14:07.600 to Duke Tobin means rebuilding along the defensive line. And 0:14:07.640 --> 0:14:11.480 he mentioned by name in twenty twenty one and in 0:14:11.520 --> 0:14:16.120 twenty twenty DJ Reader and Larry Ogin Jobi, and he 0:14:16.240 --> 0:14:19.320 needs to go back to the drawing now. DJ Reader 0:14:19.360 --> 0:14:21.680 is a free agent this year, but he's not the 0:14:21.720 --> 0:14:24.800 same player he was five years ago. Let's not get 0:14:24.840 --> 0:14:28.520 too far ahead of ourselves. But Duke Tobin and his 0:14:29.160 --> 0:14:33.440 personnel staff have to go out in free agency, spend 0:14:33.560 --> 0:14:37.920 the limit and find those players that they sailed to. 0:14:37.520 --> 0:14:38.720 Find last year. 0:14:40.520 --> 0:14:44.280 Sixty three minutes, approximately forty seven questions asked you are 0:14:44.320 --> 0:14:47.200 the president of the Cincinnati chapter of the Pro Football Writers' 0:14:47.240 --> 0:14:50.520 Association of America. Were you happy with the execution of 0:14:50.560 --> 0:14:53.200 the group today. I thought it was an impressive performance. 0:14:55.280 --> 0:14:55.760 I was. 0:14:56.080 --> 0:14:59.120 I mean, that's a lot of questions to be asked, 0:14:59.600 --> 0:15:05.880 and it is a logistical challenge, to say the least, 0:15:06.520 --> 0:15:14.280 to give the Beet people their proper opportunities to ask questions. Myself, 0:15:14.960 --> 0:15:19.520 Paul Danner, Junior, Richard Skinner, James Rapine, Kelsey Conway, who 0:15:19.520 --> 0:15:23.040 did a fabulous job today, had three questions actually typed 0:15:23.120 --> 0:15:26.080 up so that when she had her opportunity, she got 0:15:26.080 --> 0:15:29.800 all three questions in. But also it was an opportunity, 0:15:29.840 --> 0:15:34.040 as I said, this was performative for TV folks to 0:15:34.080 --> 0:15:40.600 get all their questions in, and I thought, given how lumbering. 0:15:41.920 --> 0:15:43.160 Environment this is. 0:15:44.280 --> 0:15:45.160 I think it was. 0:15:45.280 --> 0:15:47.720 I think it was held pretty well. And here's what 0:15:47.800 --> 0:15:50.960 I was happy about. It never got to the point 0:15:50.960 --> 0:15:55.760 where somebody was show voting and trying to show up Duke, 0:15:55.920 --> 0:15:59.640 because what I was concerned about going in is there's 0:15:59.680 --> 0:16:03.080 a lot of raw emotion from the fan base and 0:16:03.120 --> 0:16:07.560 a lot of reporters got questions like for comments and dms, 0:16:07.960 --> 0:16:11.240 we're counting on you, We're counting on you, And yes, 0:16:11.600 --> 0:16:15.320 we definitely felt the obligation to ask the questions that 0:16:15.480 --> 0:16:20.560 needed to be asked for the fans, but you have 0:16:20.640 --> 0:16:23.880 to do it in a manner where it's respectful to 0:16:24.000 --> 0:16:27.320 Duke Tobin, and I thought it was. 0:16:27.600 --> 0:16:28.680 I thought it came off. 0:16:28.600 --> 0:16:29.560 Very well in that regards. 0:16:29.640 --> 0:16:31.520 And one more thing, one more. 0:16:31.400 --> 0:16:35.120 Thing, good on Duke Tobin to take time out at 0:16:35.120 --> 0:16:39.320 the very beginning to you know, send out sympathy to 0:16:39.400 --> 0:16:42.080 Jay Morrison, who I think we all know now has 0:16:42.160 --> 0:16:46.360 been through hell and he lost his wife obviously, Nikki. 0:16:47.000 --> 0:16:50.720 And for Duke Tobin to you know, start the press conference, 0:16:51.240 --> 0:16:53.760 I actually think it was good because kind of kept 0:16:53.840 --> 0:16:55.000 everything in perspective. 0:16:55.120 --> 0:16:56.600 So good on Duke. 0:16:56.400 --> 0:16:56.920 For doing that. 0:16:57.200 --> 0:16:59.600 Treggs, You've had a busy day and you were all 0:16:59.600 --> 0:17:02.640 over this. Tell listeners how they can watch, read and follow. 0:17:04.000 --> 0:17:05.160 Sure we have. 0:17:05.280 --> 0:17:08.840 The reactions and my takeaways up on the X at 0:17:08.920 --> 0:17:14.480 Trags t r ags clns since with a y dot com. 0:17:14.560 --> 0:17:15.720 We'll have a column. 0:17:15.520 --> 0:17:20.280 Up later today, later tonight or tomorrow, and the Jungle 0:17:20.280 --> 0:17:24.560 War Podcast with Richard Skinner is up on YouTube dot 0:17:24.600 --> 0:17:28.800 com at Jungle War Pod. My apologies in advance. My 0:17:29.040 --> 0:17:32.959 sound is a little low, so you might have to 0:17:33.119 --> 0:17:34.960 type me up just a little bit. 0:17:35.400 --> 0:17:36.240 When I'm talking. 0:17:36.359 --> 0:17:38.399 Treg's final thought and I'm late for news, but I 0:17:38.440 --> 0:17:42.200 wanted to publicly thank you for your weekly, year long 0:17:42.240 --> 0:17:45.439 contributions to the Roundtable Show. You made our show better. 0:17:45.600 --> 0:17:48.960 Your appearances are much appreciated. We look forward to doing 0:17:49.040 --> 0:17:51.000 again next year, and I hope I can bug you 0:17:51.040 --> 0:17:51.560 before then. 0:17:52.880 --> 0:17:54.160 You got it, Lance anytime? 0:17:54.240 --> 0:17:57.119 Thank you. There you go, Mike Petralia trags. All right, 0:17:57.119 --> 0:17:58.960 well we come back. My thoughts, your thoughts, let's say, 0:17:59.000 --> 0:18:02.480 exchange ideas. RNL Carrier Sports Talk presented by Kelsey Chevrolet 0:18:02.520 --> 0:18:07.600 seven hundred WLW six forty seven hundred WLWRNL Carrier Sports 0:18:07.680 --> 0:18:11.119 Talk presented by Kelsey Chevrolet. I'm Lance Pacalister, your host, 0:18:11.600 --> 0:18:15.439 Russ Jackson, your producer. We thank you for being our listeners. Tonight, 0:18:15.520 --> 0:18:18.880 hang out, have some fun, got Bengals early. We will 0:18:18.920 --> 0:18:20.639 add in the off the beaten pat topic We'll have 0:18:20.680 --> 0:18:23.320 some fun with in the eight o'clock hour tonight. How 0:18:23.359 --> 0:18:28.200 about this update college basketball? My goodness, Miami the RedHawks 0:18:28.320 --> 0:18:32.080 on the road tonight against Toledo. There's two minutes left 0:18:32.080 --> 0:18:35.600 in the first half. Miami has dropped fifty one on Toledo. 0:18:35.880 --> 0:18:39.720 Toledo entered unbeaten in the mac Miami is leading fifty 0:18:39.840 --> 0:18:43.399 one thirty three two minutes to go in the first half, 0:18:43.800 --> 0:18:46.879 the RedHawks trying to get to seventeen and oh on 0:18:47.000 --> 0:18:51.000 the season. More on the Kelsey Chevrolet College Basketball Weekend preview. 0:18:51.400 --> 0:18:54.640 In a bit my Twitter question at Lance Pacalister after 0:18:54.720 --> 0:18:57.960 Duke's news conference today was were you satisfied with what 0:18:58.000 --> 0:19:00.679 you heard from Duke Tobin right now? That is running 0:19:00.720 --> 0:19:04.919 eighty one percent to eleven percent? Eighty one percent saying no, 0:19:05.400 --> 0:19:11.240 eleven percent saying yes, What say you? Here's what I say, 0:19:12.520 --> 0:19:14.920 Try to decide what order to do it and how 0:19:14.960 --> 0:19:17.919 not to lose my mind or to have my pacemaker fire. 0:19:18.720 --> 0:19:26.160 I just find it incredible how much this organization leans 0:19:26.280 --> 0:19:32.440 into because they've done it before as the reason why 0:19:32.520 --> 0:19:37.640 something will get fixed this time. Why do we why 0:19:37.680 --> 0:19:40.000 should we believe it can get fixed because we've done 0:19:40.040 --> 0:19:42.080 it before. Boy, if I had a dollar for every 0:19:42.119 --> 0:19:44.800 time Zach referenced twenty twenty one and twenty twenty two 0:19:44.840 --> 0:19:47.119 and back to back. Well, this, as far as I know, 0:19:47.240 --> 0:19:50.640 is twenty twenty six. And what I don't get is 0:19:51.280 --> 0:19:57.240 defaulting to because we've done it before and skipping right 0:19:57.640 --> 0:20:01.560 past the fact they didn't do it this year or 0:20:01.680 --> 0:20:06.399 last year or the year before, and skipping right past 0:20:06.440 --> 0:20:09.320 the fact they haven't done it in eight of the 0:20:09.440 --> 0:20:14.239 last ten years. Who stands on the principle and the 0:20:14.359 --> 0:20:18.320 talking point of it'll get fixed because we've done it before, 0:20:19.680 --> 0:20:21.840 when it hasn't been done three years in a row 0:20:21.880 --> 0:20:27.879 at eight of ten Zach's One of Zach's favorite lines 0:20:27.960 --> 0:20:33.080 is because we're and we're all accountable for this. Hell, 0:20:33.280 --> 0:20:39.840 who's accountable? Duke's coming back, Zach's coming back, the assistants 0:20:39.840 --> 0:20:42.760 are coming back. So how's it gonna get better? Well, 0:20:42.800 --> 0:20:48.000 we've done it before, but through osmosis. I don't even 0:20:48.000 --> 0:20:51.920 know what to say to that anymore. We're all accountable, 0:20:52.240 --> 0:20:57.639 says Zach. Show me who's been accountable for anything? And 0:20:57.760 --> 0:21:01.600 Duke said today, Well, reason to believe it'll get fixed 0:21:01.960 --> 0:21:07.159 is because we've done it before. Well, what year do 0:21:07.240 --> 0:21:09.159 you think you might be able to get it fixed? 0:21:09.560 --> 0:21:12.000 Because for three straight years you've tried and haven't gotten 0:21:12.040 --> 0:21:17.680 it fixed. Because we've done it before isn't a logical answer. 0:21:18.400 --> 0:21:23.159 It's just an arrogant answer, and it just kills me. 0:21:26.359 --> 0:21:29.160 I'm gonna take it. I'm gonna pass out. It's only 0:21:29.200 --> 0:21:33.120 six forty three. Let me get you to what Duke 0:21:33.160 --> 0:21:36.080 said today about scouting, because that was certainly near the 0:21:36.119 --> 0:21:39.359 top of everybody's list, talking about scouting and the state 0:21:39.359 --> 0:21:42.360 of the scouting department smallest in the league, and how 0:21:42.400 --> 0:21:46.399 he feels about the scouting department. Here's Duke talking about 0:21:46.440 --> 0:21:48.359 his scouting department earlier today. 0:21:48.920 --> 0:21:54.040 Our scouting staff, in my opinion, is it is the 0:21:54.080 --> 0:21:58.280 size that it is because I think the collaboration is. 0:21:58.359 --> 0:21:59.920 Better at that size. 0:22:00.880 --> 0:22:04.480 We have never lacked for information on a player. There's 0:22:04.560 --> 0:22:08.119 never been a player selected that we didn't know anything about. 0:22:08.200 --> 0:22:10.960 There's never been a player selected that we didn't have 0:22:11.119 --> 0:22:15.479 multiple reports at large background on. It's not about the 0:22:15.640 --> 0:22:19.120 volume of information we have. If we make a mistake, 0:22:19.320 --> 0:22:23.240 it's because at the decision point we made the wrong decision. 0:22:23.840 --> 0:22:27.159 But it wasn't because we didn't have information on the player. 0:22:27.200 --> 0:22:30.600 We have information, and we have plenty of opinion on 0:22:30.720 --> 0:22:32.520 the player, you know, and we've. 0:22:32.320 --> 0:22:33.520 Made a lot of good picks. 0:22:33.600 --> 0:22:38.160 I get that people are don't believe we've made any 0:22:38.200 --> 0:22:41.280 good picks. We've made a lot of good picks on 0:22:41.359 --> 0:22:44.359 our current roster, on past rosters, and there will be 0:22:44.440 --> 0:22:47.120 more on future rosters. I really believe that. 0:22:49.280 --> 0:22:55.119 I'm going to pass out. So your follow up is 0:22:55.160 --> 0:22:57.399 the obvious follow up. Wait a minute, what did you 0:22:57.680 --> 0:22:59.600 just say? And that was the exact follow up. He 0:22:59.640 --> 0:23:00.680 got to listen to this. 0:23:01.320 --> 0:23:04.120 Just to clarify from earlier, there is no plan as 0:23:04.160 --> 0:23:07.119 of right now to expand the scouting department this offseason. 0:23:07.200 --> 0:23:07.680 Is that correct? 0:23:07.800 --> 0:23:11.880 This offseason? No, We're right into it right now. There's 0:23:11.880 --> 0:23:14.879 a lot of work that's been done. Our guys are great. 0:23:14.920 --> 0:23:21.120 We have fantastic scouts. They work in every area. They 0:23:21.160 --> 0:23:26.439 are well known around college football, around pro football, and 0:23:26.480 --> 0:23:27.639 they give us what we need. 0:23:31.880 --> 0:23:39.199 I'm already exhausted. Imagine saying you have all the information 0:23:39.280 --> 0:23:42.240 that is out there and that's needed when it comes 0:23:42.280 --> 0:23:46.160 to the draft. When you have the smallest scouting department 0:23:46.520 --> 0:23:50.280 in the NFL, about a third of the average size 0:23:50.760 --> 0:23:53.840 compared to the rest of the league, more eyeballs on 0:23:53.920 --> 0:23:57.720 players offers a more rounded view of players, allowing for 0:23:57.960 --> 0:24:02.119 cross checking of players, allowing UH to see them on 0:24:02.359 --> 0:24:07.000 good days and bad days. It's just that stuff is 0:24:07.119 --> 0:24:13.320 just imagine thinking you are so smart that you can 0:24:13.359 --> 0:24:17.440