1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:04,360 Speaker 1: This is a podcast from wor Here's Larry Minti with 2 00:00:04,559 --> 00:00:07,640 Speaker 1: more of the wr Saturday morning show. 3 00:00:08,240 --> 00:00:09,680 Speaker 2: Welcome back, ABC News. 4 00:00:09,760 --> 00:00:13,720 Speaker 3: Washington Bureau chief Rick Klinb is helping put together tomorrow's 5 00:00:13,920 --> 00:00:17,479 Speaker 3: This Week show on ABC. But he's also going to 6 00:00:17,520 --> 00:00:20,599 Speaker 3: be paying close attention to the Baseball Hall of Fame 7 00:00:20,720 --> 00:00:25,439 Speaker 3: voting by the Contemporary Era Voting Committee, and he's pulling 8 00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:27,200 Speaker 3: for a legendary Yankee. 9 00:00:27,400 --> 00:00:29,640 Speaker 2: Rick. Is it Don Mattingley's year? 10 00:00:30,240 --> 00:00:33,360 Speaker 1: I have never more nervous about an election in my life. 11 00:00:33,880 --> 00:00:36,920 Speaker 1: I've covered them my whole career. I think it is 12 00:00:37,000 --> 00:00:39,760 Speaker 1: time for Don Mattingley and Dale Murphy, and both of 13 00:00:39,800 --> 00:00:41,199 Speaker 1: them near and dear to my heart. I was a 14 00:00:41,280 --> 00:00:44,440 Speaker 1: Yankee fan growing up and love Mattingly and Murphy. I 15 00:00:44,479 --> 00:00:47,000 Speaker 1: was a contrarian kid. I couldn't root for the Mets 16 00:00:47,040 --> 00:00:48,560 Speaker 1: because I was on Long Islands and all my friends 17 00:00:48,600 --> 00:00:50,640 Speaker 1: are Mets fans, and the Mets were very good. So 18 00:00:50,720 --> 00:00:54,080 Speaker 1: I found on TBS Dale Murphy, that all American superstar, 19 00:00:54,520 --> 00:00:56,840 Speaker 1: and he became my guy. So this could be a 20 00:00:56,920 --> 00:00:58,720 Speaker 1: dream scenario. It could be a night day or scenario 21 00:00:58,800 --> 00:01:01,960 Speaker 1: for a little Rick Cline. But I am going to 22 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:03,920 Speaker 1: be watching this with more than a little bit at 23 00:01:03,920 --> 00:01:06,720 Speaker 1: stake in the outcome, and I think, I really think 24 00:01:06,720 --> 00:01:09,280 Speaker 1: it's there's a very strong chance for Murphy and maddingly 25 00:01:09,680 --> 00:01:12,000 Speaker 1: for Dale and Donnie, which would be just an incredible 26 00:01:12,319 --> 00:01:15,399 Speaker 1: homage to the nineteen eighties and to the kind of 27 00:01:15,520 --> 00:01:17,800 Speaker 1: like sliver of the people that love that light, both 28 00:01:18,200 --> 00:01:20,119 Speaker 1: the Braves and the Yankees in the nineteen eighties. 29 00:01:20,480 --> 00:01:21,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, I will tell you this. 30 00:01:21,560 --> 00:01:24,800 Speaker 3: The Dale Murphy things never I've never understood it because 31 00:01:24,840 --> 00:01:26,760 Speaker 3: I guess they say that he just had a couple 32 00:01:26,760 --> 00:01:29,440 Speaker 3: of great years and then he didn't, his career didn't 33 00:01:29,480 --> 00:01:31,640 Speaker 3: fill out. The rest of his career wasn't that bad. 34 00:01:31,680 --> 00:01:33,680 Speaker 3: It's just that he was exceptional for a couple of 35 00:01:33,760 --> 00:01:37,360 Speaker 3: years and won back to back MVPs a thousand percent. 36 00:01:37,360 --> 00:01:40,039 Speaker 1: Look, in nineteen eighty to nineteen ninety, that eleven year period, 37 00:01:40,319 --> 00:01:42,880 Speaker 1: nobody hit more home runs in Major League Baseball. Only 38 00:01:43,120 --> 00:01:46,320 Speaker 1: adding Murray had more RBIs. When he correctires, he's got 39 00:01:46,319 --> 00:01:48,960 Speaker 1: three hundred ninety eight homers. Twenty four to twenty six 40 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:51,040 Speaker 1: ahead of him are Hall of famers now because of 41 00:01:51,080 --> 00:01:53,200 Speaker 1: the ped Era and all that, he is sixty second 42 00:01:53,240 --> 00:01:55,320 Speaker 1: on the all time list. So I think we forget 43 00:01:55,440 --> 00:01:57,400 Speaker 1: what people like Murphy and Manning. You know, Murphy was 44 00:01:57,440 --> 00:01:59,640 Speaker 1: leading the league with thirty six and thirty seven homers 45 00:01:59,760 --> 00:02:02,200 Speaker 1: in the eighties. Guys said that at the All Star break. Now, 46 00:02:02,400 --> 00:02:03,960 Speaker 1: but if you were hitting thirty six or thirty seven 47 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:06,280 Speaker 1: home runs and no one else was, guess what, you 48 00:02:06,280 --> 00:02:09,040 Speaker 1: were the best home run hitter in baseball? And I 49 00:02:09,080 --> 00:02:12,080 Speaker 1: think our memories are short and the memories fade, But 50 00:02:12,120 --> 00:02:14,840 Speaker 1: I think it's time to just remember how great, how 51 00:02:14,840 --> 00:02:17,040 Speaker 1: great he was in the eighties, how dominant he was. 52 00:02:17,320 --> 00:02:20,359 Speaker 1: And yeah, I did his career take take a nose 53 00:02:20,440 --> 00:02:22,680 Speaker 1: dive as we broke down for injury. Yes, it did 54 00:02:22,800 --> 00:02:24,880 Speaker 1: same thing with Don Mattingley. Actually we have to move 55 00:02:24,880 --> 00:02:26,560 Speaker 1: home and take away with how great they were. 56 00:02:26,800 --> 00:02:28,560 Speaker 2: We have to move on to less important stuff. 57 00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:32,400 Speaker 3: But one last question about this, do you believe they 58 00:02:32,440 --> 00:02:33,280 Speaker 3: both will get in? 59 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:35,840 Speaker 1: I have trouble seeing it out loud, just because I 60 00:02:35,880 --> 00:02:38,600 Speaker 1: don't want to jinx anything. I think. You know, Mattingly 61 00:02:38,840 --> 00:02:41,760 Speaker 1: was second in the voting last time, and Murphy was 62 00:02:42,200 --> 00:02:44,720 Speaker 1: fourth in the voting. And guy there was number three 63 00:02:44,720 --> 00:02:46,400 Speaker 1: in the voting was Shilling and he was not on 64 00:02:46,400 --> 00:02:49,280 Speaker 1: the ballot this time. So the runner up and number three, 65 00:02:49,560 --> 00:02:52,079 Speaker 1: two or three guys could get in. I feel very 66 00:02:52,080 --> 00:02:54,720 Speaker 1: optimistic going into Sunday. But you know, it's all in 67 00:02:54,720 --> 00:02:56,480 Speaker 1: the hands of the voters now, as they say. 68 00:02:57,000 --> 00:02:58,919 Speaker 2: All right, now, let's get on to some other stuff. 69 00:02:58,919 --> 00:03:01,240 Speaker 3: And I do think this one's less important, but I 70 00:03:01,320 --> 00:03:04,680 Speaker 3: know that everybody's talking about it, And are you going 71 00:03:04,720 --> 00:03:08,080 Speaker 3: to be talking about it this Sunday? President Trump's vitality issues. 72 00:03:08,240 --> 00:03:09,639 Speaker 1: I don't know how much it'll come up or won't 73 00:03:09,639 --> 00:03:11,440 Speaker 1: come up this Sunday. I mean, I think, you know, 74 00:03:11,480 --> 00:03:13,640 Speaker 1: you could watch that cabinet, you know, I think if 75 00:03:13,680 --> 00:03:16,720 Speaker 1: he had not talked about how healthy he was, maybe 76 00:03:16,760 --> 00:03:18,360 Speaker 1: there'd be less attention on the fact that he was 77 00:03:18,400 --> 00:03:21,800 Speaker 1: clearly fighting sleep. But you know, I haven't given much 78 00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:24,720 Speaker 1: credence into the storyline overall, just because you know, he's 79 00:03:24,760 --> 00:03:27,480 Speaker 1: still a very active guy, giving a lot of consequential things, 80 00:03:27,639 --> 00:03:30,480 Speaker 1: and so you know, if you know, if he falls asleep, 81 00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:33,120 Speaker 1: that a cabin meaning I just don't know what that says. 82 00:03:33,200 --> 00:03:34,840 Speaker 1: I think is notable. We should we should know that, 83 00:03:34,880 --> 00:03:37,480 Speaker 1: we should point that out. Obviously, he's a t attacked 84 00:03:37,760 --> 00:03:40,200 Speaker 1: Joe Biden for being a sleepy joke for all those years, 85 00:03:40,240 --> 00:03:42,400 Speaker 1: But I just I don't know how much it ultimately matters, 86 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:43,560 Speaker 1: to be perfectly honest. 87 00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:45,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, but seriously, there's no comparison. I think that's why 88 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:48,280 Speaker 3: people are rolling their eyes at this story, especially in 89 00:03:48,320 --> 00:03:51,160 Speaker 3: the conservative side, because Joe Biden you wouldn't see for days, 90 00:03:51,880 --> 00:03:54,640 Speaker 3: and he would wander off, and he'd and on the 91 00:03:54,720 --> 00:03:57,360 Speaker 3: stage and in the field. There were obvious problems. And 92 00:03:57,400 --> 00:03:59,840 Speaker 3: then we all saw it come to light during the debate. 93 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:02,520 Speaker 3: Donald Trump gets tired at a meeting and all of 94 00:04:02,520 --> 00:04:05,000 Speaker 3: a sudden, it's like, oh my god, he's He's Joe 95 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:08,600 Speaker 3: Biden two point zero. I don't think there's any comparison. 96 00:04:08,680 --> 00:04:12,520 Speaker 3: So I like the fact that you have said you 97 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:15,040 Speaker 3: don't see too much in this It's notable that he 98 00:04:15,120 --> 00:04:18,080 Speaker 3: did seem to fall asleep in the meeting, but that 99 00:04:18,160 --> 00:04:19,240 Speaker 3: seems to be the exception. 100 00:04:20,520 --> 00:04:23,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, And it's just it just ultimately doesn't make that 101 00:04:23,160 --> 00:04:25,080 Speaker 1: much of a difference. If he's still doing active things 102 00:04:25,080 --> 00:04:27,800 Speaker 1: that are affecting people's lives, that's that's a lot more 103 00:04:27,800 --> 00:04:28,440 Speaker 1: important to me. 104 00:04:28,440 --> 00:04:29,640 Speaker 2: At least absolutely. 105 00:04:29,680 --> 00:04:31,839 Speaker 3: So let's move on to things that are affecting people's 106 00:04:31,880 --> 00:04:35,279 Speaker 3: lives and lives that they took in the in the 107 00:04:35,320 --> 00:04:39,600 Speaker 3: Caribbean they said was a legal air strike. Martha Radditz, 108 00:04:39,640 --> 00:04:42,400 Speaker 3: by the way, has been doing incredible work on this 109 00:04:42,760 --> 00:04:46,080 Speaker 3: and and her sources are are incredible. I think that 110 00:04:46,120 --> 00:04:49,600 Speaker 3: she's been doing the best reporting by far of anyone. 111 00:04:49,920 --> 00:04:52,400 Speaker 3: What is the latest on what she's been reporting. 112 00:04:52,600 --> 00:04:57,080 Speaker 1: Well, she's been reporting that the the initial orders, uh 113 00:04:57,440 --> 00:05:00,440 Speaker 1: you know, carried out through the through the Secretary of War, 114 00:05:00,520 --> 00:05:05,840 Speaker 1: through Pete Hegsath, you know, involved a full operational strike 115 00:05:05,880 --> 00:05:07,400 Speaker 1: and it's used like based on the video that was 116 00:05:07,440 --> 00:05:10,159 Speaker 1: viewed by members of Congress and not the public yet yesterday, 117 00:05:10,800 --> 00:05:13,320 Speaker 1: that there were a couple of strikes that happened in 118 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:16,039 Speaker 1: close proximity and then a couple of strikes that happened 119 00:05:16,040 --> 00:05:18,720 Speaker 1: to sort of clean up. And it does appear that 120 00:05:19,080 --> 00:05:22,360 Speaker 1: the video shows that there were survivors. But the the 121 00:05:22,760 --> 00:05:25,680 Speaker 1: what Martha has been reporting is that the calculation was 122 00:05:25,680 --> 00:05:29,080 Speaker 1: made in real time that the survivors still pose a threat, 123 00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:31,159 Speaker 1: that they could have been trying to communicate to people 124 00:05:31,480 --> 00:05:34,120 Speaker 1: that would rescue them, that there were potential places for 125 00:05:34,160 --> 00:05:38,280 Speaker 1: them to put whatever drugs that were not destroyed back 126 00:05:38,320 --> 00:05:41,200 Speaker 1: on another voat. And that's what the calculation was based on. 127 00:05:41,240 --> 00:05:43,480 Speaker 1: We know other strikes. There's been other calculations. But I 128 00:05:43,520 --> 00:05:45,680 Speaker 1: should also point out there's so much we still don't know, 129 00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:48,400 Speaker 1: and we haven't seen the full video, and I know 130 00:05:48,640 --> 00:05:50,719 Speaker 1: the President this week promised that it would get released. 131 00:05:50,760 --> 00:05:53,560 Speaker 1: I think that's important, as as are the you know, 132 00:05:53,600 --> 00:05:55,960 Speaker 1: the specific orders here, because so much is at stake, 133 00:05:56,000 --> 00:05:59,360 Speaker 1: and Secretary of Hegseas has been, you know, praising the 134 00:05:59,680 --> 00:06:01,960 Speaker 1: app who gave the orders, but also by naming him, 135 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:04,400 Speaker 1: has been distancing himself just a little bit from the 136 00:06:04,839 --> 00:06:05,840 Speaker 1: chain of responsibility. 137 00:06:06,600 --> 00:06:08,200 Speaker 2: Hey, what do you have coming up this Sunday? 138 00:06:08,520 --> 00:06:11,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, George, Will Bibba's be covering this story. Gee, George 139 00:06:11,920 --> 00:06:15,640 Speaker 1: is going to be talking to Congress that Adam Smith, 140 00:06:15,640 --> 00:06:17,359 Speaker 1: the top Democrat in the Armed Services Committee, as well 141 00:06:17,400 --> 00:06:19,320 Speaker 1: as one of the Republicans who saw the video and 142 00:06:19,839 --> 00:06:22,240 Speaker 1: responding and reacting in real time. And I'll tell you, 143 00:06:22,240 --> 00:06:24,760 Speaker 1: Martha's got a really great place. You know. December seventh, 144 00:06:24,800 --> 00:06:26,320 Speaker 1: in addition to being the day of the Baseball Hall 145 00:06:26,360 --> 00:06:29,240 Speaker 1: of Fame voting, is also Pearl Harvard Day, and she's 146 00:06:29,279 --> 00:06:34,000 Speaker 1: got just an incredible piece. Looking at the Pearl Harvard 147 00:06:34,040 --> 00:06:36,080 Speaker 1: Museum there and getting through some of the history, you know, 148 00:06:36,120 --> 00:06:39,640 Speaker 1: with so few of those survivors left after all these years. 149 00:06:39,640 --> 00:06:41,679 Speaker 1: It's I think an important little glimpse of history. 150 00:06:42,440 --> 00:06:42,600 Speaker 2: Rick. 151 00:06:42,680 --> 00:06:45,080 Speaker 3: I'll be watching, but I'll be thinking of you, and 152 00:06:45,279 --> 00:06:47,520 Speaker 3: also watching the Hall of Fame voting. 153 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:49,800 Speaker 2: I hope those guys both get in. They deserve it. 154 00:06:50,120 --> 00:06:53,640 Speaker 3: Thank you so much, Rick Kline, ABC News, Washington Bureau Chief. 155 00:06:53,839 --> 00:06:56,520 Speaker 2: This has been a podcast from WOOR