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Speaker 1: It's Night Side with Dan Ray on Belgibs, Boston's news radio.

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Speaker 2: Well, if you have watched any television news in the

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Speaker 2: last week or so, you have seen some retail robberies

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Speaker 2: on Newberry Street. I think most of you who know Boston,

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Speaker 2: and most of my audience does, Newberry Street is the

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Speaker 2: most fashionable street in the city of Boston. Fine restaurants

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Speaker 2: are there and also a lot of retail shops. One

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Speaker 2: of which stands out is Lulu Lemon. And if you

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Speaker 2: talk to any young person, particularly female, uh, Lulu Lemon

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Speaker 2: is the place to go and get some great, great

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Speaker 2: equip you know, clothing, casual clothing. I'm not an expert here,

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Speaker 2: trust me on that, but my daughter's friends who are

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Speaker 2: a very sick and in their late twenties, early thirties,

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Speaker 2: Lulu Lemon is the place to go. Well, apparently a

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Speaker 2: lot of young people in Massachusetts, in the Boston area

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Speaker 2: had decided they're going to go to Lululemon, not to shop, well,

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Speaker 2: to shop in a manner of speaking, to go in

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Speaker 2: there and basically rip off literally racks of clothing and

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Speaker 2: head to the door. And they've had several events as

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Speaker 2: well as other retail stores not only in Newbury Street,

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Speaker 2: but in all Aback Bay and for that matter, thout Boston.

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Speaker 2: And one city council that is concerned about it is

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Speaker 2: Ed Flynn. Ed Flynn, Boston City Councilor what's going on.

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Speaker 2: Is this a new development that we're seeing played out

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Speaker 2: or is this something that the media was finally taking

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Speaker 2: note of.

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Speaker 3: Hi, Dan, It's good to be with you. Yeah, thank you, Dan.

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Speaker 3: This has been ongoing for a long period of time.

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Speaker 3: I know the media is focused on it as well,

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Speaker 3: but the ongoing theft, retail theft really is having a

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Speaker 3: major impact almost in every neighborhood. You know, Newberry Street,

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Speaker 3: in Boylston Street, there's some wonderful UH stores there, but

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Speaker 3: especially on Newberry Street. I have a lot of constituents

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Speaker 3: businesses in the South End, So there's a lot of

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Speaker 3: retail theft in Roxbury, throughout the city of Boston. But

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Speaker 3: it's having a devastating impact in my opinion, on quality

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Speaker 3: of life issues in on prices. It's hurting, hurting consumers,

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Speaker 3: and many of these stores are closing. We had a

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Speaker 3: City Council hearing on it last week, and this is

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Speaker 3: the subject subject we talked about in residents of furious

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Speaker 3: with the with what's going on, and they want some

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Speaker 3: action from the City of Boston.

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Speaker 2: Well, the city of Boston also, I assume the Sefer

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Speaker 2: County DA's office has to have some obligation in this

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Speaker 2: as well. Look, the bottom line is if kids are

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Speaker 2: I can't tell if they're fifteen, eighteen or twenty five.

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Speaker 2: They're young people who go in. Sometimes the video is

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Speaker 2: kind of grainy, sometimes it's really good. But they're just

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Speaker 2: pulling stuff off the rack. They're not going in and saying, Okay,

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Speaker 2: my size is this. I'm going to take two of

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Speaker 2: scoot out the store. They're carrying out as many items

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Speaker 3: Right right, that's right, Dan. I think what's happening on

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Speaker 3: it's an organized group of criminals that are stealing from

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Speaker 3: as you mentioned to consumers, but also Dan, the consumers

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Speaker 3: are not helping matters by buying. By buying these products,

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Speaker 3: maybe they get something for you know, a third of

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Speaker 3: the cost or half the cost, but they're really hurting

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Speaker 3: their name is they're really hurting the city. They're hurting

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Speaker 3: the small businesses that play a critical role in our city.

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Speaker 3: And you know a lot of it is organized criminal

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Speaker 3: criminal groups, but also being throughout the city. A lot

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that is that's a festering sore, which

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Speaker 2: which I know you have tried to address, but the

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Speaker 2: most of the neighborhoods, including the South End, seemed happy

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Speaker 2: let me come back to the situation we have generally,

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Speaker 2: recognize these individuals and some friends of theirs would wrap

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Speaker 2: them out. Well, I suspect that they're probably selling the

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Speaker 2: their their friends who are procuring these this high end clothing. However,

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Speaker 2: we as a society have been conditioned don't get involved,

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Speaker 2: don't get involved. And I think generally, and I assume

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Speaker 2: You you just don't want to end up. Even the

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Speaker 2: employees are told, I guess by oftentimes the owners of

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Speaker 2: the companies don't get involved. That's for liability.

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Speaker 3: Issues, correct, that's correct in okay.

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Speaker 2: And then the customers they they have been, they have been, been,

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Speaker 2: they have learned. I should say that it's crazy for

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Speaker 2: great acclaim that comes to them. So therefore, these these

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Speaker 2: young groups, the groups of gang members. By the way,

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Speaker 2: even if they get caught, they're not going to be

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Speaker 2: goes back to Rachel Rollins. Correct.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's Correctdan. I think it was in twenty eighteen

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Speaker 3: so any theft under that amount is considered basically a misdemeanor,

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Speaker 3: which is a three hundred dollars fine I believe, but

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Speaker 3: the penalties for shoplifting are much lighter. It reduces the

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Speaker 3: risk of serious punishment, in my opinion, in it almost

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Speaker 3: in a way encourages repeat offenders in organized criminals to

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Speaker 4: Dan.

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Speaker 3: We need to have zero tolerance for any type of

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Speaker 3: stealing in the city of Boston. We're not there right now.

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Speaker 3: The Boston Police are doing the best job that they can,

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Speaker 3: but we just don't have enough police officers. I'm fighting

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Speaker 3: every day to get more police on the street, even

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Speaker 3: though my city council colleagues want to cut the police budget.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I do know that there was a push

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Speaker 2: when Rachel Rollins was the district attorney. The argument was, well,

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Speaker 2: if some guy steals a loaf of bread to feed

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Speaker 2: someone is that desperate, we're not looking to prosecute then.

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Speaker 2: But it's not fear to the person who owns the

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Speaker 2: small variety store or a grocery store, even if it's

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Speaker 2: going out the door when we come back in. I

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Speaker 2: want to run an idea by you that some people

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Speaker 2: have a simple solution to this problem. And you can

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Speaker 2: feel free to disagree with me or this if you want,

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Speaker 2: but I'm going to mention it on the other side,

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Speaker 2: people agree or disagree. And if you like to with

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Speaker 2: Boston City councilor Ed Flynn, you can give us a call.

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Speaker 2: Sometimes I wonder if I need to give the number out.

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Speaker 2: Oh well, let me do it this one time. Six one, seven, two,

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Speaker 2: Whatever your position is. If you're in favor of these

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Speaker 2: free to tell us why you believe in that. Uh.

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Speaker 2: If you think it is insane that this would be

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Speaker 2: on Night's Side with Boston City Councilor Ed Flynn and

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Speaker 2: my idea that I think would actually work back on

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Speaker 2: So Ed, before we get to phone calls here, one

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Speaker 2: of the things that if I owned Lulu's Lemons store

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Speaker 2: on which I don't, on Newbury Street, my idea would be,

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Speaker 2: since the being now hit on a fairly regular basis

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Speaker 2: the door, you know, with thousands of dollars worth of merchandise,

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Speaker 2: because that's a high end merchandise, I would have a

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Speaker 2: device installed which would allow my clerk to lock the

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Speaker 2: Lulu Lemon. When somebody comes in and there are people

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Speaker 2: who are pulling clothes off the racket, takes them a

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Speaker 2: few a couple of minutes to do that. I would

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Speaker 2: call the police. I think if word got around, that

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Speaker 2: would probably be a disincentive for these gangs to do this.

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Speaker 2: You might disagree with me. I'm sure the lawyers are

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Speaker 2: going to disagree with me, but I think that'd be

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Speaker 2: a pretty effective way to basically trap the thieves in

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Speaker 3: Well, the only pushback I think, and I think I

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Speaker 3: asked this question at the City Council here during the

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Speaker 3: Retail Association general counsel was there. We asked them about

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Speaker 3: some of those types of questions, and he the policy

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Speaker 3: of DAN is just to let the criminals when they're

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Speaker 3: protect to protect the employees, but also to protect the public.

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Speaker 3: The only problem I would have is if you do

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Speaker 3: lock it, does then does the persons stealing do they

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Speaker 3: I I haven't thought about it all that much, but

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Speaker 3: I do know that they let the people stealing walk

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think what that is is I think

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Speaker 2: it's a mistake because I think it basically said the

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Speaker 2: message that hey, it's not that serious a crime. Well,

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Speaker 2: in fact, it is a serious crime because insurance policies

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Speaker 2: for the stores increases, and the prices increase, and eventually,

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Speaker 2: if the prices get too expensive, the stores have to

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Speaker 2: go out of business. That's the other thing I mean.

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Speaker 3: And a lot of them dan have closed already throughout

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Speaker 3: the city of Boston, especially drug stores of variety stores,

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Speaker 3: when people just feel like they can walk in there

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Speaker 3: and steal products because they know the criminal justice will

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Speaker 3: not hold them accountable. But I think we have to

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Speaker 3: have criminal justice reform and if you steal any type

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Speaker 3: of items, there should be a penalty that you pay

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Speaker 3: when you get arrested. In your case is not just

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Speaker 3: dismissed because the low amount of the product. We need

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Speaker 3: to hold people accountable, and you don't have the right

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Speaker 3: It impacts the entire city, and it impacts the entire neighborhood.

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Speaker 2: All right, let's let's let's get some calls in on

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry, Torrent, Sorry, sorry, Torryn, I mispronounced today.

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Speaker 6: All right, guys, Dan, that's a horrible that's a horrible

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Speaker 2: my guest city councilor Ed Flynn. How would you.

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Speaker 4: Affect the test? What would you do?

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Speaker 6: It's all it's all about the justice department. They need

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Speaker 6: to crack down. These kids are running rampant. Where's their parents?

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Speaker 5: You know?

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Speaker 6: Where's the accountability? I work one hundred hours a week

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Speaker 4: Okay, I apologize. I listened to you often.

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Speaker 6: I'm working nights, so I listen to you every night.

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Speaker 2: Well that's fine. So you but you agree, you agree

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Speaker 4: There's no doubt that big, big problem.

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Speaker 2: Who do you blame the politicians? Do you blame the prosecutors?

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Speaker 2: Do you blame the district attorney? Who do you blame?

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Speaker 6: I blame the judges forgiven such lenient sentences, the prosecutors

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Speaker 4: I blame a lot of people.

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Speaker 6: I blame wu.

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Speaker 2: By the way, there was a judge last week, Judge

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Speaker 2: But Judge Tresler actually held the people who were protesting

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Speaker 2: you got a great judge.

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Speaker 3: He's an excellent judge. We need we need more judges

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Speaker 3: like that. We need people to be held responsible and accountable,

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Speaker 2: And also, I want to mention the other judge who

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Speaker 6: Have a good night, guys, Thanks thanks.

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Speaker 5: So much, thank you.

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Speaker 2: Thanks. Okay, take a quick break here, Ed, why don't

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Speaker 2: you stick with us if you'd like, I'm going to

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Speaker 2: go to Tom and West Virginia. I got Paul and Needham,

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Speaker 2: whole criminal justice reform of twenty eighteen twenty nineteen was

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Speaker 2: They were inter and basically encouraging crime. In my opinion,

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Speaker 2: my guest, Boston City Councilor ed Flynn back on Nightside

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Speaker 2: right after the news break at the bottom of the hour.

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Speaker 1: It's Night Side with Boston's news radio.

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Speaker 2: My guess is Boston council ed Flynn. We're talking about

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Speaker 2: retail thefts across Boston. But it's also, by the way,

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Speaker 2: this stuff with Lulu Lemon has been going on for

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Speaker 2: about a year at Lulu Lemon stores across the country

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Speaker 2: and even up in Canada. They because they are a

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Speaker 2: these groups who feel they have a right to go

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Speaker 2: they can carry out of the store without paying. Tom

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Speaker 2: City Councilor Ed Flynn.

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Speaker 5: Good evening for the both of you. First off, Ed,

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Speaker 5: I lived in Ward Tenem, Mission Hill. I was an

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Speaker 5: earshot from the Tobin School on Hillside Street and campaign

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Speaker 5: for your dad in nineteen eighty three. He was a

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Speaker 5: very very good mayor and he was not part of

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Speaker 5: the Boston Brahmin crowd. So I just want you to

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Speaker 5: about the average resident, whether they lived in Blue Hill Avenue, Jamaica, Plane, East, Boston,

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Speaker 5: Mission Hill, Fenway, you name it.

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Speaker 2: You did no disagreement either of us on that. Tom,

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Speaker 2: That's for sure. He's a great one.

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Speaker 3: No, thank you, Tom for those time words.

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Speaker 5: Is your dad still? Is he Okay?

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Speaker 4: Yes, yes he is.

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Speaker 3: He's doing well.

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Speaker 5: Okay, tell him the electrician of Mission Hill. He may

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Speaker 5: or may not remember me, but anyway, I just said hello,

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Speaker 5: the question is all right, and your voice sounds the

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Speaker 5: same as his. By the way, I left my house

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Speaker 5: in Brockton October fourth, and just a quick question my leaves.

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Speaker 5: I've got a pretty large piece of land or a

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Speaker 5: goes back four hundred feet. Most of the leaves have changed.

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Speaker 5: Is that the case in the city of Boston. I

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Speaker 5: know it's off topic, but there's a point to it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the leaves are changing now, the changing throughout Boston,

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Speaker 5: Okay, fair enough, So anyway, I'm just curious on that.

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Speaker 5: But the next question, well, the next comment is I

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Speaker 5: believe it was Rachel Rollins, the Suffolk County District attorney

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Speaker 5: a few years back, basically said no, you know what,

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Speaker 5: we're not going to enforce shoplifting laws as well as

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Speaker 5: because young males made a mistake, it's gonna haunt them

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Speaker 5: for the rest of their lives. Well, take it from

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Speaker 5: a kid that used to smash pumpkins during Halloween time

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Speaker 5: in my hometown of Foxborough, thinking it was really cool

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Speaker 5: grabbing someone's pumpkin off their porch and then smashing it

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Speaker 7: Ha ha.

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Speaker 5: That was not a mistake.

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Speaker 4: Tom.

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Speaker 2: By the way, I'm going to try to just move

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Speaker 2: you here a little bit because you're right, it was Rachel.

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Speaker 2: It was Rachel Rawlins. But that was her campaign. She

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Speaker 2: ran on that policy. It wasn't as if she ran

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Speaker 2: supporting law enforcement and then changed when she was elected.

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Speaker 2: She's like some of these other DA's around the country,

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Speaker 2: including the guy down in Pennsylvania and Philadelphia, gascon out

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Speaker 2: this let's not punish what they considered to be small crimes,

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Speaker 2: and that's why they raised the amount of money you

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Speaker 3: You know, Yeah, that's right over.

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Speaker 2: The point is go ahead, ed?

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Speaker 5: Point is Tom Ede jump in here?

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Speaker 2: Tom hold on, Ed wants to jump into.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the the felony, the felony, larsony, they haven't that

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Speaker 3: that's increased significantly in Boston and the the the pot

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Speaker 3: as well. It's it's an issue that the city is

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Speaker 3: starting to take to take seriously. But we have been

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Speaker 3: reform them up at the state House as well. Regardless

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Speaker 3: of how much you steal at a store, everything should

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Speaker 3: be prosecuted. They should be arrested, and we can't give

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Speaker 3: a devastating impact on quality life, public safety. But it's

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Speaker 3: also hurting consumers, and consumers are working hard for their

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Speaker 3: it's so expensive because everything is locked up and it's

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Speaker 5: Go ahead, Tom, Yeah, Okay, Well, I live in Brockton.

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Speaker 5: Two Star markets have been closed since COVID A uh

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Speaker 5: Working class people. And I just pray the new mayor

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Speaker 2: Right, sure appreciate it, well said, all right, Tom, gotta

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Speaker 2: keep rolling. Thank you much, appreciate it very much. To

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Speaker 2: get one more in here real quickly, let me go

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Speaker 2: to Rich in Jamaica. Plane Rich, you're on its bus

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Speaker 2: city council ed Flinn. Go ahead, Rich.

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Speaker 7: I'm echoing what people have been saying, and that is

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Speaker 7: simply the legiency is the problem. So the petty theft

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Speaker 7: amount used to be two fifty, I believe now is

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Speaker 7: twelve hundred. And that's just an open door policies thanks

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Speaker 7: to your stuff. So what you know, in my whole neighborhood,

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Speaker 7: everything's locked up. We've alreadys talked about that. The CBS

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Speaker 7: So that I mean it was you know, I echo

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Speaker 7: all those things. But to your point that you made, Dan,

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Speaker 4: Ye, lock the doors.

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Speaker 7: Yes, Well, the thing is it's not a crime until

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Speaker 2: Well, I think that once somebody starts to sprint from

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Speaker 2: if you if you tried to rip off a Lulu

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Speaker 4: You know that I might get caught. I might go

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Speaker 7: Yeah, you know what, I think it's a good idea

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Speaker 7: if that, if it works, Yeah, I'm all for it

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Speaker 7: because it's it's absurd.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, let me let me get it in here, go ahead.

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Speaker 3: The one wrinkle to it though to that to that

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Speaker 3: Our response time has gone up, and when you call

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Speaker 3: be fifteen minutes, it could be twenty minutes, it could

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Speaker 3: be five minutes. But do you know so that's another factor,

436
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Speaker 3: and that's why Dan for many reasons. But you know,

437
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Speaker 3: I have to go to city Hall every day fighting

438
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Speaker 3: for more police and now a city. But it's been

439
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Speaker 3: challenging with my city council colleagues that really are trying

440
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Speaker 3: to cut the police budget on me almost every year.

441
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Speaker 3: So it's it's a very challenging time in the city.

442
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Speaker 3: When elected officials are not supporting the police department.

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Speaker 2: You're fighting on your fighting on many fronts here because

444
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Speaker 2: there is an anti police attitude that pervades the Boston

445
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Speaker 2: City Council currently, and a lot of it comes from

446
00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:55,360
Speaker 2: the philosophical view of life that a lot of these

447
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Speaker 2: councilors have, all of whom have I guess their own

448
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Speaker 2: experience that have formulated those those points of view. And

449
00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:06,080
Speaker 2: I think that until the city turns around and says, hey,

450
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Speaker 2: we got to start electing some people who reflect security

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Speaker 2: for the city and safety for people. Uh, if you

452
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Speaker 2: live in in the South End and you have the

453
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Speaker 2: people breaking into your homes who are the residents of

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Speaker 2: mass and gas, I don't know why you'd vote for

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Speaker 2: any incumbent in Boston.

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Speaker 7: But that's that's crazy, a little bit off topic. But

457
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Speaker 7: but more praise for Counser Flynn, and that is on

458
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Speaker 7: these you know, buzzing around mopeds that have been wreaking

459
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Speaker 7: havoc for like five or ten years an issue.

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Speaker 2: There's another issue, absolutely, and there's.

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Speaker 7: A crackdown this weekend which I think fifteen of the

462
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Speaker 7: mopeeds got incarcerated whatever the word is for it. So

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Speaker 7: that's the beginning. But you know ed your your you're

464
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Speaker 7: spot on when you say.

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Speaker 2: They were I think I think you meant they were

466
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Speaker 2: confiscated right ahead.

467
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Speaker 4: Yeah, we're glad that on it.

468
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Speaker 3: No, thank you. We We just can't have Boston be

469
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:14,200
Speaker 3: the wild West out there. Anything goes, people can do

470
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Speaker 3: what they want. There's rules on the book for a reason.

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Speaker 3: I saw I saw a person on a motorbike or

472
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Speaker 3: an e bike who's actually on the MBT a platform

473
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Speaker 3: with his e bike buzzing around, and you know there's

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Speaker 3: elderly people that are jumping out of the way, persons

475
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Speaker 3: with disabilities. I see e bikes or electric bikes or scooters.

476
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Speaker 3: They're buzzing down Washington Street on the sidewalk. They're on

477
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Speaker 3: Boilston Street on the sidewalk. You know they you can't

478
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Speaker 3: you can't be impacting public safety like that. They need

479
00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:51,760
Speaker 3: to be We need to be aggressive with reckless driving,

480
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Speaker 3: regardless of who it is across the city.

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Speaker 7: All right, question why why are their bike lanes? Why

482
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Speaker 7: do we have bike lanes? And then these bikes are

483
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Speaker 7: on the sidewalks.

484
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Speaker 2: But because the bicyclists only want the bike lanes for

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Speaker 2: people who were riding bicycles. They don't want the mopeds

486
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Speaker 2: in there. They don't want the e bikes in there.

487
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Speaker 2: And they want the mopens and the e bikes. They

488
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Speaker 2: don't care where they are, whether they're on the sidewalks

489
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Speaker 2: or regular traffic. Their interest is one thing, and that

490
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Speaker 2: is to have a dedicated lane for people who ride,

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Speaker 2: you know, bicycles. And so you have all these constituencies,

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Speaker 2: and the constituency that makes the more noise and raises

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Speaker 2: the more money and produces the more votes. They're the

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Speaker 2: ones who are taking care of bikes. Rich, good luck,

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Ed Flinn. Will take one more quick break here,

496
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Speaker 2: We're going to come back. We'll finish up, I promise.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much for staying with us. I still

498
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Speaker 2: I still like my idea. I think even if there

499
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Speaker 2: was a threat of that idea, I could just see

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Speaker 2: you have you have some some sort of you hit

501
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Speaker 2: the button and all of a sudden the doors, you

502
00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:08,840
Speaker 2: can't get through the doors, some sort of electronic machine

503
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Speaker 2: brings a steel curtain down. I think that would probably

504
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Speaker 2: and a lot. I understand the consideras you're raised, but

505
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Speaker 2: I think you have that happen once or twice. I

506
00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:22,960
Speaker 2: think that Lulu Lemon would be doing a lot better,

507
00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:25,200
Speaker 2: or maybe they should now they maybe they need to

508
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Speaker 2: have security guards, armed security guards, higher off duty police

509
00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:32,960
Speaker 2: officers that would if they're concerned about the safety of

510
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Speaker 2: their their employees and their patrons and their insurance payments,

511
00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:41,720
Speaker 2: maybe they need to start nesting in some off duty

512
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Speaker 2: police officers. Back on night Side with possa city councilor

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Speaker 2: Ed Flinn.

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Speaker 1: Right after this, you're on night Side with Dan Ray

515
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Speaker 1: on w Boston's.

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Speaker 2: News radio let's see if we get everybody. Let me

517
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Speaker 2: go to Paul in Pennsylvania. Paul, you were next on nightside.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for calling in. How are you, sir?

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Speaker 5: All right?

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Speaker 4: Thank what they might call. I agree with Counsel and

521
00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:05,360
Speaker 4: Flynn that these are probably organized like a flash mob.

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00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:08,600
Speaker 4: They probably you know, coordinate on their soul phones. But

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Speaker 4: one bad thing about your idea dat is you never

524
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Speaker 4: know what these people. If there might be a place

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Speaker 4: where people working in the store to hide when that

526
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Speaker 4: thing comes down, with anybody who's in that store buying something,

527
00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:21,720
Speaker 4: these people might be like cage rats. They might flip

528
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Speaker 4: out and take hostages. You never know what they'll do

529
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Speaker 4: if something like that happens, and they might have what

530
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Speaker 4: was on it. If you don't know that, you can

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Speaker 4: put some kind of electronic taggets, these different clothing and

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Speaker 4: things that trace them. But I don't know if that's

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Speaker 4: worth the worth the effort. And you know, security guard

534
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:38,160
Speaker 4: is probably a good idea, But a lot of this

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00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:40,400
Speaker 4: stuff has to do with not only as they're making

536
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Speaker 4: money on it, but you know the ratoric that you know,

537
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:45,160
Speaker 4: the haves and the have nots. So a lot of

538
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:47,720
Speaker 4: that's being preached around the country and they think they're

539
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Speaker 4: like some kind of a Robin Hood doing this.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they're not Robin Hood's that's for sure. And I

541
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Speaker 2: think ed Flint has made that very very clear. Is

542
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Speaker 2: there a problem like this And we're in Pennsylvania and

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00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:00,560
Speaker 2: in Pittsburgh or Philly, we're part.

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Speaker 4: Of the states Bary Ooksbury and everything's locked up. When

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00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:06,080
Speaker 4: you go to a story, can't even get shampoo, Harley.

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Speaker 3: You know, that's a great, great call, a great message.

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Speaker 3: And you know in in Boston, the the there's so

548
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Speaker 3: much availability for food for people in need, so many

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Speaker 3: different churches and nonprofits of the city of Boston there's

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Speaker 3: access to food. So in my opinion that you know,

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Speaker 3: anyone that is stealing really is is being selfish and

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00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:37,640
Speaker 3: they're hurting the public, they're hurting the small business because

553
00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:42,520
Speaker 3: there's there's so many opportunities to for for for assistance,

554
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Speaker 3: especially for people in need.

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Speaker 2: That's an urban myth, and stealing for food for their family,

556
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:50,440
Speaker 2: there's stealing, maybe probably for a drug addiction or something else.

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Speaker 4: Great quick question, Mayor, we'll brought your card with her.

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Speaker 2: We got a lot of We got a lot of

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Speaker 2: you who are that's for sure. I'll we go to

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Speaker 2: Joe and Lynn. Joe, you gotta be quick for me, buddy,

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Speaker 2: go ahead.

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Speaker 8: I will thank you very much. Uh, mister ed Flynn.

563
00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:15,520
Speaker 8: I loved your dad. You could talk to him. I'm

564
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:17,440
Speaker 8: going to call you and talk to you privately. He

565
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:19,760
Speaker 8: was wonderful to me on the radio. Things just didn't

566
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Speaker 8: work out. I want to compliment and echo Thom's words.

567
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Speaker 8: I'll call you sometime and I hope you'll take my call. Sure,

568
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:28,080
Speaker 8: and you and your dad are brought up right. You're

569
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Speaker 8: not typical politicians. You'll help even out of the out

570
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Speaker 8: of your area. But now I want to say I

571
00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:36,680
Speaker 8: agree with you, Dan, I think that would help. And

572
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Speaker 8: you could just make an announcement. Ladies and gentlemen, we

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Speaker 8: have people that are stealing and lock them up and

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Speaker 8: have a security hold them. Not hurt him. I know

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Speaker 8: there's uh there's that burner stuff they advertise. It'll knock

576
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Speaker 8: him down and not hurt him, but it'll make him

577
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Speaker 8: sore for a while while there's detained, and then the

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Speaker 8: police come take him. Because you have this stuff is

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Speaker 8: foolish and it has to stop. There's no reason for this.

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Speaker 2: Thanks thanks Joe for the support. I got one person

581
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Speaker 2: support my idea. Thanks buddy, appreciate.

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Speaker 3: You have one vote.

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Speaker 6: Dan.

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Speaker 8: Thanks Joe, and I'll call you sometime. Take care, bye, buddy. Yeah,

585
00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:12,080
Speaker 8: give me a call.

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Speaker 3: I'll take your call.

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Speaker 2: Tom and Lancaster. Tom next on Knights.

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Speaker 8: I go right ahead, Hey Dan, how are you hi,

589
00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:20,480
Speaker 8: mister Flynn?

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00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:21,359
Speaker 5: Hey Tom?

591
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Speaker 3: Dan.

592
00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:23,319
Speaker 4: Dan knows what I.

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Speaker 9: Used to do for a living in New York and

594
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:29,319
Speaker 9: now I work security at a major retailer in back Bay.

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Speaker 9: And Uh, we're not allowed to touch anybody because we're

596
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Speaker 9: not categorized as lost prevention guards, which is a which

597
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:39,319
Speaker 9: is the ones that would be able to handcuff them

598
00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:44,480
Speaker 9: and hold them. Uh, but our store, I can't get that,

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Speaker 9: my guess for some reason. H we're not allowed to

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Speaker 9: lock the doors. Even on a windy day. One of

601
00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:52,600
Speaker 9: the doors blows open, and I asked why they can't

602
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Speaker 9: just lock it and block it off. Oh, that's against

603
00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:58,000
Speaker 9: the fire code, I said. I don't think the fire

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00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:02,520
Speaker 9: marshals coming today and lock you up. They're never gonna

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Speaker 9: lock it for thieves. The other thing is, I'm working

606
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Speaker 9: at three and a half years in that area. I've

607
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:11,239
Speaker 9: never seen a cop working off duty in uniform in

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Speaker 9: any retailer like they have in New York City, which

609
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:17,719
Speaker 9: is called the paid detail unit, and the retailers can

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Speaker 9: hire them through the city. The city gets paid first

611
00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:24,319
Speaker 9: and takes their cut, and then the officer gets his pay,

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Speaker 9: and that virtually eliminates all the shoplifting in that store.

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Speaker 9: Does that not exist in the Boston PD or does it?

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Speaker 4: Well, the.

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Speaker 3: Problem we have really is just so few number of

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Speaker 3: police officers, the availability of police officers, and it's just

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00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:51,080
Speaker 3: not a priority, unfortunately for people stealing, whether it's on

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00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:55,560
Speaker 3: Washington Street in Dorchester, or in Jamaica, plane or wherever

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Speaker 3: it might be. It needs to be a priority for everyone,

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Speaker 3: including the criminal justice system, and we have to set

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Speaker 3: an example of zero tolerance for any type of criminal

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00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:10,640
Speaker 3: activity in the city or in the commonwealth. I just

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Speaker 3: don't think we're able to sustain the level of retail

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Speaker 3: theft that is taking place in Boston. It's hurting our city,

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00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:20,400
Speaker 3: it's hurting our state, and it's hurting the residents and

626
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:24,360
Speaker 3: small businesses, and we just can't accept that any longer.

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Speaker 3: And I think it's up to the residents to demand

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Speaker 3: a little bit of respect from elected officials as well.

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Speaker 2: Tom thank you for what you did. You serve the

630
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:37,279
Speaker 2: people of New York for many years, and you're still well,

631
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Speaker 2: You're still in the related activity. Let's put let's thank you.

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Speaker 2: Thanks Tom, touching all more often, Tom need you voice.

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Speaker 2: Thank you much to the callers on the line, Phil, John,

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Speaker 2: and Chris. Stay there. I'm going to go into the

635
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:53,360
Speaker 2: next hour. We're going to let Ed Flynn go. But

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Speaker 2: I think this is an important quality of life conversation.

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Speaker 2: So let's keep this rolling. You guys, stay there, We'll

638
00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:03,520
Speaker 2: take the news and be right back. Ed Flynn has

639
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:06,319
Speaker 2: always thank you very much. I know that you're going

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00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:09,640
Speaker 2: to have a good election day. But if people want

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00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:11,640
Speaker 2: to get in touch with you in the next couple

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00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:13,759
Speaker 2: of week, next, you know, ten days or so, where

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Speaker 2: can they get in touch with you?

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00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:17,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, Dan, they can reach me yet ED for Boston

645
00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:20,480
Speaker 3: on social media, but also they can drop me an

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00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:24,560
Speaker 3: email at Ed dot Flynn at Boston dot gov. Give

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00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:27,000
Speaker 3: me a drop me a message and I'll get back

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00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:29,839
Speaker 3: to them. And I return all emails and return phone

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00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:30,440
Speaker 3: calls as well.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, thanks for returning my my phone call, my text

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00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:36,960
Speaker 2: message today. Always great to have you and thank you Dan.

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Speaker 2: I'll work more on that that idea, I promise Dan see,

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Speaker 2: how do you folks fool me? Thanks very thank you.

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Speaker 2: We get back. We're gonna we will take a break

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Speaker 2: for the ten o'clock news and we're going to get

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Speaker 2: everybody here and we'll all keep the lines open. This

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Speaker 2: is an important quality of life issue. We need to

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Speaker 2: talk about it. I want you to think about it,

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Speaker 2: and I want to hear from some ladies. This is Lululemon.

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Speaker 2: I don't shop at Lululemon. I could get less. But

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Speaker 2: it sets a really bad precedent for Boston coming back

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Speaker 2: on nightside