1 00:00:01,800 --> 00:00:06,680 Speaker 1: A thirty six iif you I have caresee the talk station. Yes, 2 00:00:06,800 --> 00:00:08,879 Speaker 1: you can have technical difficulties on the fifty about carssee 3 00:00:08,880 --> 00:00:11,280 Speaker 1: morning show. Unfortunately, unlike War, no one dies as a 4 00:00:11,280 --> 00:00:14,200 Speaker 1: consequence of technical difficults on the morning show. We have 5 00:00:14,280 --> 00:00:16,759 Speaker 1: them on the telephone. Daniel Davis, retired lieutenant colonel with 6 00:00:16,880 --> 00:00:20,080 Speaker 1: Daniel Davis Deep Dive every Tuesday at this time, well 7 00:00:20,120 --> 00:00:23,080 Speaker 1: actually a little earlier on a normal Tuesday, Daniel Davis, 8 00:00:23,079 --> 00:00:23,960 Speaker 1: can you hear me, sir? 9 00:00:24,840 --> 00:00:27,600 Speaker 2: I can't hear you. Gradmar to work this out and 10 00:00:27,640 --> 00:00:29,760 Speaker 2: no one died. So that's a positive thing. 11 00:00:29,920 --> 00:00:32,400 Speaker 1: Amen, my friend. That's one of the joys of being 12 00:00:32,400 --> 00:00:34,560 Speaker 1: a morning show host. You don't have to worry about people dying. 13 00:00:34,560 --> 00:00:37,080 Speaker 1: Now you might get attacked for your opinions, but that's okay. 14 00:00:37,120 --> 00:00:41,440 Speaker 1: I can take that all right. Dealer's choice, actually retired 15 00:00:41,440 --> 00:00:43,280 Speaker 1: lieutenant colonel's choice. Do you want to start with the 16 00:00:44,159 --> 00:00:50,519 Speaker 1: breakdown in the various Ukraine Russian? I don't know what. 17 00:00:50,560 --> 00:00:52,879 Speaker 1: Do you want to call them? Multipoint proposals? We've got 18 00:00:52,880 --> 00:00:55,240 Speaker 1: a nineteen point, we got a twenty eight point or something. 19 00:00:55,520 --> 00:00:57,720 Speaker 1: So far we have no agreement, or alternatively, do you 20 00:00:57,760 --> 00:01:01,200 Speaker 1: want to start with the varied response is to the 21 00:01:01,240 --> 00:01:06,440 Speaker 1: Hamas and his Bala situation with Israel, Sir, you pick 22 00:01:06,440 --> 00:01:07,240 Speaker 1: your favorite, definite. 23 00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:10,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, let's let's go with the Russia situation, since that's 24 00:01:10,560 --> 00:01:11,960 Speaker 2: the weirdest one, I guess. 25 00:01:12,040 --> 00:01:16,000 Speaker 1: All right, Yeah, lately, the Kremlin reject Europe's counterproposal. We 26 00:01:16,080 --> 00:01:19,200 Speaker 1: had this twenty eight point document the Trump administration unveiled 27 00:01:19,240 --> 00:01:22,440 Speaker 1: last week, which many were saying that, you know, was 28 00:01:22,440 --> 00:01:25,800 Speaker 1: was a gift to Russia, and then the counterproposal from 29 00:01:25,840 --> 00:01:28,120 Speaker 1: the Europe I think it was like a nineteen point plan, 30 00:01:28,360 --> 00:01:32,360 Speaker 1: which Kremlin just rejected that, so it would start where 31 00:01:32,400 --> 00:01:34,520 Speaker 1: we usually end serve, but it doesn't sound like we've 32 00:01:34,560 --> 00:01:38,120 Speaker 1: gotten anywhere. What's your take on all this, Daniel Davis? 33 00:01:38,560 --> 00:01:42,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, it's just more of the bizarre. Uh, 34 00:01:43,360 --> 00:01:47,240 Speaker 2: just confused and just dysfunctional. I mean, there's no there's 35 00:01:47,240 --> 00:01:49,040 Speaker 2: no better way to put it, more accurate way to 36 00:01:49,080 --> 00:01:54,200 Speaker 2: put it. This whole situation, because when the first information 37 00:01:54,360 --> 00:01:57,640 Speaker 2: was leaked out, if there was a twenty eight point proposal, 38 00:01:58,080 --> 00:02:00,640 Speaker 2: it was apparently between Steve whit Off and a guy 39 00:02:00,680 --> 00:02:04,360 Speaker 2: named Carell Dimitriov on the Russian side, and the Russian 40 00:02:04,400 --> 00:02:07,120 Speaker 2: side said, well, after it was leaked. Well, you know, 41 00:02:07,280 --> 00:02:09,520 Speaker 2: it doesn't address a lot of our issues, but it 42 00:02:09,560 --> 00:02:12,040 Speaker 2: does address some issues, so it's a good start point. 43 00:02:12,080 --> 00:02:13,960 Speaker 2: That's something that we can work with here, et cetera. 44 00:02:14,320 --> 00:02:16,720 Speaker 2: But the minute that this thing hit the airwaves and 45 00:02:16,720 --> 00:02:19,200 Speaker 2: the people in the West started realizing and the Kiev 46 00:02:19,240 --> 00:02:21,960 Speaker 2: started realizing that there was something a discussion going on 47 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:25,160 Speaker 2: between the US and Russia, people just went crazy. And 48 00:02:25,520 --> 00:02:28,000 Speaker 2: first of all, over the weekend there was a lot 49 00:02:28,040 --> 00:02:31,760 Speaker 2: of information out among a lot of the elites in 50 00:02:31,760 --> 00:02:34,920 Speaker 2: the West that this was actually a Russian proposal that 51 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:38,280 Speaker 2: they just foist it onto the Trump administration, and this 52 00:02:38,480 --> 00:02:41,000 Speaker 2: was you know, obviously then you have to reject it 53 00:02:41,040 --> 00:02:43,880 Speaker 2: because it's just their plan. Well, if you had paid 54 00:02:43,919 --> 00:02:45,880 Speaker 2: any attention at all to the plan, there was a 55 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:48,240 Speaker 2: number of points and I did six on my show 56 00:02:48,760 --> 00:02:51,840 Speaker 2: that the Russians would categorically rejoice. They were reject They 57 00:02:51,880 --> 00:02:53,919 Speaker 2: would never accept that. So the idea that it was 58 00:02:53,960 --> 00:02:57,040 Speaker 2: a Russian plan was absurd at face value if you 59 00:02:57,120 --> 00:02:59,560 Speaker 2: paid attention to face value. What I think was going 60 00:02:59,600 --> 00:03:04,280 Speaker 2: on is that Europe is absolutely terrified of this war ending. 61 00:03:04,320 --> 00:03:08,679 Speaker 2: I know that sounds strange, but they just cannot acknowledge 62 00:03:08,720 --> 00:03:11,119 Speaker 2: that they have lost the war, that NATO has lost 63 00:03:11,160 --> 00:03:13,320 Speaker 2: the war, that the European Union and all their economic 64 00:03:13,440 --> 00:03:16,840 Speaker 2: accepts have lost this war. But that is the case, 65 00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:19,720 Speaker 2: and so they want to continue the fiction longer, and 66 00:03:19,760 --> 00:03:23,720 Speaker 2: they're okay with you talk about people dying, as this 67 00:03:23,960 --> 00:03:26,400 Speaker 2: is real life. People will continue to die on the 68 00:03:26,480 --> 00:03:30,960 Speaker 2: Ukraine's side because of the unwillingness and the inability on 69 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:33,360 Speaker 2: the Western side to acknowledge this war must come to 70 00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:35,640 Speaker 2: an end. And you know, I have some issues with 71 00:03:35,720 --> 00:03:37,960 Speaker 2: President Trump on several issues here, but this is one 72 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:40,560 Speaker 2: I'm in lockstep with him. I am one hundred percent 73 00:03:40,600 --> 00:03:43,000 Speaker 2: behind his effort to get this over with by the 74 00:03:43,080 --> 00:03:47,720 Speaker 2: least objectionable path possible. And it's important to understand there 75 00:03:47,920 --> 00:03:51,880 Speaker 2: is no good path, there's only the least offensive. Well, 76 00:03:52,040 --> 00:03:52,400 Speaker 2: let me. 77 00:03:52,360 --> 00:03:54,960 Speaker 1: Just I guess I'm kind of curious about European Union's 78 00:03:54,960 --> 00:03:58,600 Speaker 1: position given what you said, Low. We had to pull 79 00:03:58,640 --> 00:04:02,000 Speaker 1: out of Vietnam exactly a shining moment for the United States. 80 00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:04,480 Speaker 1: Of course, you know, the Afghanistan withdrawal wasn't exactly a 81 00:04:04,480 --> 00:04:06,480 Speaker 1: shining moment for the United States. You know, it didn't 82 00:04:06,520 --> 00:04:08,360 Speaker 1: look good and we had to take our alums, we 83 00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:11,640 Speaker 1: can't declare a win in the win column, but the 84 00:04:11,720 --> 00:04:14,520 Speaker 1: futility of continuing in the face of you know, public 85 00:04:14,560 --> 00:04:17,080 Speaker 1: opposition or whatever the case may be, we move on 86 00:04:17,160 --> 00:04:19,080 Speaker 1: with our lives. Is this analogous to that at all? 87 00:04:19,120 --> 00:04:21,360 Speaker 1: Are they just unwilling to admit defeat or is this 88 00:04:21,680 --> 00:04:25,320 Speaker 1: much greater in terms of their economic connection with Ukraine 89 00:04:25,320 --> 00:04:28,040 Speaker 1: that really matters to them even though they can't really 90 00:04:28,080 --> 00:04:28,760 Speaker 1: do much about it. 91 00:04:28,800 --> 00:04:32,240 Speaker 2: Apparently, Well, it's a combination of both those in the 92 00:04:32,279 --> 00:04:36,599 Speaker 2: worst way on each side. There was actually, interestingly also 93 00:04:36,680 --> 00:04:40,039 Speaker 2: over last weekend in the Ukraine media there was a 94 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:45,360 Speaker 2: lot of anngst that many of the leaders were oblivious 95 00:04:45,640 --> 00:04:49,359 Speaker 2: actually in Ukraine against Europe, saying, you know, you guys 96 00:04:49,440 --> 00:04:52,400 Speaker 2: keep talking this big game about wanting to defeat Russia, etc. 97 00:04:52,839 --> 00:04:55,720 Speaker 2: But you have given this is a fact, more money 98 00:04:56,240 --> 00:04:59,760 Speaker 2: to Russia since this war has started to the Ukraine. 99 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:02,960 Speaker 2: I continue to purchase their oil and in some cases, 100 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:05,840 Speaker 2: like with France, even greater levels in this year than 101 00:05:05,880 --> 00:05:09,160 Speaker 2: the previous two. So the Ukraine side of saying, y'all 102 00:05:09,200 --> 00:05:11,120 Speaker 2: are just playing both sides against the middle. You want 103 00:05:11,160 --> 00:05:12,760 Speaker 2: cash if you want the war to keep going on 104 00:05:12,839 --> 00:05:14,839 Speaker 2: at our expense, and that's the bottom line. 105 00:05:14,880 --> 00:05:16,200 Speaker 1: I think you know. 106 00:05:16,240 --> 00:05:16,719 Speaker 2: I laughed. 107 00:05:16,760 --> 00:05:18,400 Speaker 1: I literally, I don't know if you heard me laughing. 108 00:05:18,480 --> 00:05:21,240 Speaker 1: That's like the definition of batcrap insane, if I may 109 00:05:21,320 --> 00:05:24,680 Speaker 1: use that term, sir. The European Union has embraced as 110 00:05:24,760 --> 00:05:27,440 Speaker 1: zero carbon emissions crap or so long they have destroyed 111 00:05:27,440 --> 00:05:30,719 Speaker 1: their own economies, and here they are buying Russian oil 112 00:05:30,960 --> 00:05:34,880 Speaker 1: to keep the power on because windmills don't cut it well, 113 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:36,800 Speaker 1: arguing that Russian needs to be defeated in the war. 114 00:05:37,760 --> 00:05:39,440 Speaker 1: I can't make any sense out of this other than 115 00:05:39,560 --> 00:05:42,080 Speaker 1: say it sounds like something out of some deranged you know, 116 00:05:42,200 --> 00:05:45,440 Speaker 1: science fiction, maybe salvad or Dolly like parallel universe. 117 00:05:46,120 --> 00:05:50,360 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, that's probably the least defensive you can say 118 00:05:50,600 --> 00:05:53,880 Speaker 2: about the European side, because it is totally divorced from 119 00:05:53,920 --> 00:05:57,880 Speaker 2: military reality. This war is over at the conclusion is 120 00:05:57,920 --> 00:06:00,320 Speaker 2: already known. It can't end any other way than rush 121 00:06:00,320 --> 00:06:03,719 Speaker 2: through victory and European and the Ukraine side and they're 122 00:06:03,800 --> 00:06:06,640 Speaker 2: just there's Ukraine leadership is in bed with this. On 123 00:06:06,720 --> 00:06:08,440 Speaker 2: top of of course, that's the other thing that the 124 00:06:08,800 --> 00:06:11,480 Speaker 2: Ukrainian people were upset about is all the corruption that's 125 00:06:11,520 --> 00:06:14,960 Speaker 2: now being exposed at the highest levels. So literally it's 126 00:06:14,960 --> 00:06:17,839 Speaker 2: about money. At the Ukraine leadership level and at the 127 00:06:17,880 --> 00:06:21,560 Speaker 2: European leadership level, it's all about cash. And they always 128 00:06:21,560 --> 00:06:23,400 Speaker 2: talk about how much more money they're going to spend 129 00:06:23,440 --> 00:06:27,760 Speaker 2: on defense, while zero willingness at all to engage in diplomacy. 130 00:06:27,880 --> 00:06:30,640 Speaker 2: That is the state of Western leadership in the twenty 131 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:31,159 Speaker 2: twenty five. 132 00:06:31,360 --> 00:06:34,080 Speaker 1: It's a terrible thing to behold, it really is. And meanwhile, 133 00:06:34,560 --> 00:06:37,920 Speaker 1: young people and older people are being slaughtered on the battlefield, 134 00:06:38,200 --> 00:06:41,599 Speaker 1: and just while all this incompetence swirls around, it just 135 00:06:41,640 --> 00:06:44,160 Speaker 1: breaks my heart. Daniel Davis deeep diyes Where you get 136 00:06:44,200 --> 00:06:46,240 Speaker 1: the podcast, find it and regularly listen to it. 137 00:06:46,240 --> 00:06:46,760 Speaker 2: I do. 138 00:06:46,880 --> 00:06:50,000 Speaker 1: And then the other pivot over to the Trump administration 139 00:06:50,120 --> 00:06:54,400 Speaker 1: seems to be displeased with Israel's response to an ensminer 140 00:06:54,520 --> 00:06:57,120 Speaker 1: incursion in Gaza, and yet seems to be okay with 141 00:06:57,240 --> 00:07:01,400 Speaker 1: Israel's response that has Balla over in Lebanon. What's the difference, 142 00:07:01,920 --> 00:07:04,200 Speaker 1: Daniel Davis, Yeah. 143 00:07:04,360 --> 00:07:07,799 Speaker 2: You know this. I was telling a colleague just last 144 00:07:07,839 --> 00:07:11,360 Speaker 2: week that we claimed that piece has come to the 145 00:07:11,400 --> 00:07:14,600 Speaker 2: Middle East, But when you look at the amount of 146 00:07:14,640 --> 00:07:17,880 Speaker 2: attacks in the Gaza strip and especially the West Bank 147 00:07:18,280 --> 00:07:21,640 Speaker 2: since this you know, seasfire so called, was brought into effects. 148 00:07:21,800 --> 00:07:23,720 Speaker 2: You would never know there was sea spark because this 149 00:07:23,920 --> 00:07:27,040 Speaker 2: continued to be a lot of attacks and then sometimes 150 00:07:27,160 --> 00:07:29,280 Speaker 2: the Hamicide fires back, and then of course they get 151 00:07:29,280 --> 00:07:32,920 Speaker 2: this huge response back from the Israeli side. In my estimation, 152 00:07:33,320 --> 00:07:35,000 Speaker 2: if I was just looking at the ground, I would 153 00:07:35,040 --> 00:07:37,280 Speaker 2: never have even known there was an alleged ceasefire. But 154 00:07:37,760 --> 00:07:40,200 Speaker 2: the fighting continues going on. And then now then you 155 00:07:40,520 --> 00:07:43,480 Speaker 2: add this issue back in Hezbela and in Beirut, et cetera, 156 00:07:44,480 --> 00:07:46,960 Speaker 2: and that was also supposed to have been in a 157 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:52,160 Speaker 2: semi ceasfire situation, but then Israel just launched into this 158 00:07:52,200 --> 00:07:55,400 Speaker 2: assassination you know, decapitation struck, and they continued hit in 159 00:07:55,400 --> 00:07:57,480 Speaker 2: the southern part. So it just looks to me like 160 00:07:57,600 --> 00:07:59,800 Speaker 2: Israel still at war and I don't know where they're 161 00:07:59,800 --> 00:08:02,160 Speaker 2: don't and I don't know what the ejective verse because 162 00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:05,320 Speaker 2: I don't see a militarily attainable objective. I just see 163 00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:08,480 Speaker 2: lots of shots and firing, and it just keeps the 164 00:08:08,520 --> 00:08:09,600 Speaker 2: situation roiled up. 165 00:08:10,160 --> 00:08:14,200 Speaker 1: Maybe just engage in population control, sir, Sorry I had 166 00:08:14,200 --> 00:08:15,040 Speaker 1: to say that out loud. 167 00:08:15,080 --> 00:08:18,680 Speaker 2: I hope that's not the case. But it's an ugly 168 00:08:18,760 --> 00:08:22,560 Speaker 2: situation with no apparent resolution that I can see anytime soon. 169 00:08:22,880 --> 00:08:26,360 Speaker 1: Someday, sir, someday you and I will have a positive conversation. 170 00:08:26,400 --> 00:08:29,040 Speaker 1: I know it typiclarly in dark conversations of late on that. 171 00:08:29,440 --> 00:08:31,760 Speaker 2: I thought this week, Rob before Thanksgiving, I thought we'd 172 00:08:31,760 --> 00:08:32,199 Speaker 2: be able to. 173 00:08:32,160 --> 00:08:36,599 Speaker 1: Have Hello Daniel Davis deep dive every Tuesday here in 174 00:08:36,600 --> 00:08:38,640 Speaker 1: the fifty five Casey Morning Show at eight thirty normally 175 00:08:38,679 --> 00:08:40,520 Speaker 1: unless we have a technical difficulty where no one dies, 176 00:08:40,559 --> 00:08:42,440 Speaker 1: which is good, but you can find him wherever you 177 00:08:42,440 --> 00:08:44,600 Speaker 1: get your podcasts regularly. I encourage you to do that, 178 00:08:44,679 --> 00:08:47,360 Speaker 1: Daniel Davis, from behalf of my listening audience and my 179 00:08:47,480 --> 00:08:50,400 Speaker 1: family to yours. I hope you have a wonderful Thanksgiving, 180 00:08:50,400 --> 00:08:52,120 Speaker 1: that you do have something to be thankful for, and 181 00:08:52,120 --> 00:08:54,240 Speaker 1: I'll look forward to another conversation with you next week. 182 00:08:54,679 --> 00:08:56,240 Speaker 1: We do look forward to it. See you then, take 183 00:08:56,280 --> 00:08:58,000 Speaker 1: care of my friend eight forty five ify five care 184 00:08:58,040 --> 00:09:00,000 Speaker 1: see the talk station, don't go. I'd be right back. 185 00:09:00,480 --> 00:09:04,000 Speaker 2: Fifty five KRC dot com. Are you drowned