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Speaker 1: coach and Super Bowl champion Mike Hombgrin. Brought to you

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Speaker 2: All right, big thanks to the five twenty Bar and Grail,

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Speaker 2: our homeway from home during the football season, joining us

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Speaker 2: right now in the radio show from the comfort of

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Speaker 2: his living room, maybe his office.

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Speaker 3: He could be in the garage. You never know.

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Speaker 4: Our friend Mike Holmgren with us on the program. Mike,

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Speaker 4: how are you, man.

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Speaker 5: I'm doing fine. You kept your voice second night? Sounds good?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, not so much, right, I mean, this is what

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Speaker 4: happens when you win a title on Sunday and you

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Speaker 4: go to the parade on Wednesday.

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Speaker 3: Man, Well, why don't we.

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Speaker 4: First of all, talk about what you saw Sunday, Your

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Speaker 4: initial kind of reaction to the Seahawks bringing home the

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Speaker 4: second championship in franchise history.

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Speaker 5: Well, it was it was wonderful, first of all, and

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Speaker 5: I couldn't be happier for Mike and the team and

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Speaker 5: how they accomplished it this season. And they just from

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Speaker 5: the kickoff, the opening kickoff in that game, the game

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Speaker 5: was in their hands. It was in their hands. I

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Speaker 5: don't think there was no chance New England was going

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Speaker 5: to score too much and then they would have enough points.

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Speaker 5: When it was twelve or nothing, I thought the game

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Speaker 5: was over, and they continued. They New England just couldn't

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Speaker 5: do anything. And so hats off to the Seahawks. If

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Speaker 5: you remember who picked them to go to the Super

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Speaker 5: Bowl in the mid season, I'm just saying.

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Speaker 3: I love it. I love it. I believe it was

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Speaker 6: That's no, it was Mike Congrid coach. You know, we

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Speaker 6: really appreciate you joining us in the post game show

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Speaker 6: on Sunday.

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Speaker 3: That was a lot of fun.

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Speaker 6: One thing I didn't ask then was what surprised you

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Speaker 6: the most based upon what you expected to happen on

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Speaker 6: Sunday versus what you actually saw.

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Speaker 5: I think the fact that New England look at their

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Speaker 5: fourteen and three and there are a lot of reasons

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Speaker 5: people are poking holes at their record because of who

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Speaker 5: they played and all that kind of stuff. But I

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Speaker 5: really thought that they would do a little bit more

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Speaker 5: on offense. I really did. That was before and I

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Speaker 5: didn't know. I hadn't studied the team like you does,

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Speaker 5: but that was before I saw their offensive line in play.

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Speaker 5: Once I saw that, I go, boy, this is going

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Speaker 5: to be long day for the quarterback. But that's what

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Speaker 5: surprised me the most, that they that a team that

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Speaker 5: was fourteen and three, they're in the Super Bowl, but

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Speaker 5: their offense they just couldn't couldn't compete with the Seahawks.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Well, you know, now you've got people coming out saying, well,

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Speaker 4: he was hurt, and there's people wondering if the pay

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Speaker 4: were hiding something on their injury report, right, because the

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Speaker 4: Patriots are never known for any shenanigans at all, un

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Speaker 4: Bob Kraft, Right, I mean, did you see a guy,

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Speaker 4: I mean, Mike after three quarters, Drake May was eight

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Speaker 4: him down in that game. Most of what he got

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Speaker 4: Did you see a guy that looked like he was

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Speaker 4: affected by a shoulder problem at all on Drake May No.

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Speaker 5: I didn't. That wasn't the problem. I think they listen,

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Speaker 5: we I had shoulder problems when I was playing. You know,

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Speaker 5: inject it and relieve some of the pain, then you

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Speaker 5: can play. It wasn't anything structural, you know. And so no,

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Speaker 5: that wasn't the problem. The problem was that they, in

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Speaker 5: my opinion, that they their their play calling and what

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Speaker 5: they didn't change anything. You know, they kept dropping him

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Speaker 5: didn't you know, they didn't do play action pass, no screens. No,

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Speaker 5: they didn't mix it up like you would. If you're

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Speaker 5: I'm not sure would it have made a great deal

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Speaker 5: wasn't his arm, Dave, it wasn't his shoulder.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, you're exactly right.

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Speaker 6: I don't think a Mike holgeran offense would ever look

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Speaker 3: But Mike, how much was an indictment on the quarterback himself?

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Speaker 3: How much it was of it was on May.

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Speaker 6: Because there was a you know, there was a decent

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Speaker 6: is Drake may really this good? Or did he just

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Speaker 5: Well? I think there was a little dat But I

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Speaker 5: think I honestly think he's going to be fine. He's

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Speaker 5: I don't think offensively, he's surrounded by a lot of

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Speaker 5: that was that was hard to watch. Yeah, and then

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Speaker 5: but who else I can't even name them, right, you know,

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Speaker 5: and they got a good they got a good tight end. Okay,

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Speaker 5: get into the ball.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, go to them, Yeah yeah right, yeah, yeah, Well

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Speaker 4: I know it's Mike.

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Speaker 5: I guess.

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Speaker 4: The question then becomes from from our perspective about our

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Speaker 4: like it's given me a headache having this conversation, but

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Speaker 4: we have to have it because of every more on

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Speaker 4: the media that wants to criticize Sam Donald for just

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Speaker 4: you know, not doing anything with this football team. We

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Speaker 4: for crying out loud, which is just ludicrous. But how

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Speaker 4: much credit would you want to give Sam Donald for

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Speaker 4: what this team just did, winning seventeen of twenty and

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Speaker 5: I Dave, We've talked about him before and I've said it.

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Speaker 5: They wouldn't be there without him, and they have, they have.

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Speaker 5: They have good, a good team, a great team, but

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Speaker 5: they wouldn't be there. They needed Sam to be their quarterback.

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Speaker 5: You know, the one game way through the four interceptions

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Speaker 5: you know where he get a little jittery there, but listen,

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Speaker 5: he got it done for him and he did some

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Speaker 5: not going to be perfect, but without him, they're not there.

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Speaker 3: They needed him, no question.

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Speaker 6: Expand on what you told me in Huan pregame that

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Speaker 6: you felt this win elevates the Hawks into kind of

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think I think there is a The NFL

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Speaker 5: of think about, okay, there, that's they've been a power.

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Speaker 5: They're a power. They're going to super Bowls. I don't

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Speaker 5: I think, right and people. I think people watch that game,

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Speaker 5: and and you know, one hundred and twenty eight million

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Speaker 4: A thirty eight year old head coach that plays phenomenal defense.

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Speaker 4: That's going to be a staple of this team for

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Speaker 4: a long time as long as Mike is here. But

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Speaker 4: Mike McDonald with us, Mike McDonald, Mike Holmgren, holy cow,

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Speaker 5: Shide, I'm just a little I'm just a little older

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Speaker 4: Slightly slightly slightly, yeah, and just by a couple of years.

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Speaker 4: We're having the discussion before you came on about kind

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Speaker 4: of how much credit Pete Carroll should be given for

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Speaker 4: what just happened. I mean, there's a lot of guys

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Speaker 4: Devin Witherspoon, We're all guys that were brought in when

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Speaker 4: Pete Carroll was apparently at the top of the food

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Speaker 3: How much credit would you want to give any.

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Speaker 5: No, I think you know, Pete deserves credit as well. Absolutely.

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Speaker 5: I remember a story when my first year and we've

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Speaker 5: I don't I didn't forget that. That's real. Now you

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Speaker 5: to the product. Absolutely, but you know, give credit where

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Speaker 5: Pete cop and now Mike's taken over the rings.

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Speaker 6: We'll talk about some individual players in the next few

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Speaker 6: your take on them.

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Speaker 3: But like overall, when you won.

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Speaker 6: Your Super Bowl and then you went back to the

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Speaker 6: next training camp, what type of conversation did you have

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Speaker 6: getting big contracts, and you know, and in preventing a

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Speaker 5: Know, Dick, It's funny the That's one of the conversations

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Speaker 5: I had with a couple of coaches, you know. Mike

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Speaker 5: Ditka was one, Bill Parcells was another, saying the challenges

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Speaker 5: stands in your way. One you lose, you lose coaches,

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Speaker 5: and replacing the coaches is not always easy. And you

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Speaker 5: a super Bowl, they want more money, you know this,

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Speaker 5: that they're writing books, they got TV shows, They all

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Speaker 5: Sure I would, Okay, you know I wouldn't You know?

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Speaker 6: Well, speaking of Walker, coach, I wanted to take your

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Speaker 3: You've told us that is that the truth?

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Speaker 6: How far do you go to keep Ken Walker? I

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Speaker 5: When they when they finally handed him the ball dick

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Speaker 5: But they're not going to be able to sign everybody back.

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Speaker 5: I think historically that's the way they do things right.

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Speaker 5: Sam donold. Look, he's happy, Walker's happy. They want to

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Speaker 6: There's no question that Shaheed is a special kick returner.

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Speaker 4: How big of a loss is Kubiak as the play

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Speaker 5: Well, well, like I said before, that's that's the tough one.

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Speaker 5: I'm trying to look. I don't know if you got

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Speaker 3: You know, it's not going to be Jay Harbaugh's lackey.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and and but I think there is a real

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Speaker 5: I think it's important that whoever comes in, if he's

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Speaker 5: Now he has to learn it. That's the first thing.

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Speaker 5: Man?

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Speaker 3: Listen great stuff.

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Speaker 4: You ever get lonely and you want to hop on

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Speaker 3: We're always here for you pal.

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Speaker 5: All right, Oh that's that's really nice. Thank you. I

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Speaker 3: You bet. We're always thinking about you man and your

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Speaker 5: So just if forever need it points better anything informational

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Speaker 4: You want to bet some money on the NBA or

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Speaker 3: Oh, oh, we're here for you. Hey, we won that

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Speaker 5: and then all said no, she had bet Walker scoring

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Speaker 4: That's right, well, but that that would have hit the

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Speaker 3: We got to keith her to keep going all about us.

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Speaker 5: I'll always side with her. I'm alright, yeah.

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Speaker 4: Whatever, All right, man, great stuff. I love having you on.

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Speaker 4: You know that, you know how important you are to

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Speaker 5: Man, Thanks coach, Thanks guys.

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Speaker 3: All right, Mike Homer with us. We're gonna break.

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Speaker 4: Nobody really interested in giving Pete Carroll any credit at all.

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Speaker 3: I'm nice.

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Speaker 4: Jackson has started a movement and it's spread to the

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Speaker 3: He is leading the charge. Man, no credit for Pete

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Speaker 4: You ever see the movie Outbreak, By the way, you're

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Speaker 4: We're gonna break more talkbacks on that, and we'll get

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Speaker 4: to Scott Zolak from the Patriot Radio crew. Reaction from

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Speaker 4: Boston at five on ninety three to three KJRFM.

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Speaker 3: We never ever, man, we believed in each other. We

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Speaker 1: Now we're world champions. Out back to Suny and Dick

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Speaker 1: on your home for the twelfth movie.

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Speaker 3: We got the best in the world.

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Speaker 1: Twelve ors Radio, ninety three point three kJ RM.

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Speaker 6: They sat out to the twelve calls one mom ties.

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Speaker 3: They lived up to the dark side today. It's gonna

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Speaker 3: go down in the history books book.

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Speaker 7: They made it happen, They made it come to life.

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Speaker 4: That is the voice of Mike McDonald at the ceremony.

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Speaker 3: Yesterday. Was that yesterday got the parade? No, it seems

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Speaker 3: like a week that was.

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Speaker 4: That was after the gate, by the way, I was it, okay,

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Speaker 4: got you. You gotta make sure we know where these

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Speaker 4: things are coming from. Man, well, we're two old guys.

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Speaker 3: We got no idea.

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Speaker 4: What the hell's going on though? Just let us know.

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Speaker 4: Oh god, well we're back. We got a lot of talkbacks.

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Speaker 4: We're kicking around this idea of how much credit Pete

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Speaker 4: Carroll deserves for the roster that was put together. Jackson

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Speaker 4: began the movement of just giving him zero credit whatsoever.

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Speaker 4: I didn't now all of his minions are jumping on

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Speaker 4: the wagon. I didn't saying it.

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Speaker 3: You should own it like you're the pied pipe of

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Speaker 3: Pete haters. Listen, he doesn't see.

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Speaker 8: Remember when I said about getting angry because of you

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Speaker 8: putting words in my mouth? This is why I get angry,

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Speaker 8: because you two schmucks the words in my mouth. You

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Speaker 8: want to you want to revise, I will give you

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Speaker 8: the opportunity.

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Speaker 3: I will give you both.

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Speaker 8: I will give you both schnucks the opportunity to stop

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Speaker 8: putting words in my mouth and to set the record straight.

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Speaker 3: You want to do that? You just I mean, I

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Speaker 3: think it was that.

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Speaker 6: I don't think it's what you said at the outset.

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Speaker 6: I think it was the tone of what you said.

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Speaker 6: And it sounds like my my wife's talking to me

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Speaker 6: right now. But I was like, the tone of how

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Speaker 6: you said it was this, like what I because we're

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Speaker 6: not getting Pete any credit for this.

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Speaker 3: That's not what I said.

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Speaker 8: I said, we shouldn't be giving him a lot of

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Speaker 8: credit because it sounded like you both wanted to give

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Speaker 8: him a lot of credit.

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Speaker 3: I thought to give him some credit.

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Speaker 4: I don't want to give him a lot, but I

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Speaker 4: do think that when you look at the guys that

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Speaker 4: were drafted and brought in by him and John Schneider.

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Speaker 4: And here's the problem. The problem is nobody truly knows

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Speaker 4: how much he was responsible for, right, Like, did John

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Speaker 4: Schneider want somebody else and Pete Carroll said, nope, I

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Speaker 4: want Devin Witherspoon. I mean, honestly, I have no idea,

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Speaker 4: nobody has any idea. All I'm doing is just working

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Speaker 4: with this assumption. And maybe it's the wrong assumption. I'll

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Speaker 4: admit that that Pete Carroll was at the top of

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Speaker 4: the food chain when it came to building the roster

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Speaker 4: and bringing in talent. And if that's wrong and John

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Speaker 4: Schneider for the last five or six years has replaced

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Speaker 4: him at the top of the food chain, then he

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Speaker 4: gets no credit at all. But if he was influential

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Speaker 4: in drafting Abe Lucas, Charles Cross, bringing in guys like

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Speaker 4: Zach Sharboney, Jackson Smith and Jig mc kenny walker, Julian Loved,

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Speaker 4: the list goes on and on and on that I

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Speaker 4: do think you have to give him some credit. He

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Speaker 4: does have a little bit of a thumbprint on this roster.

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Speaker 4: It's more than crumbs Awkham's razor. Is that the most

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Speaker 4: likely answer is the true answer. The most likely answer

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Speaker 4: is that it was a mix of a lot of

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Speaker 4: people at the vMac. It was John, it's pe its scouts,

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Speaker 4: it's everybody coming together and saying, all right, twentieth overall, guys,

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Speaker 4: we have these three guys we like.

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Speaker 8: But you know, let's quickly go around the room. We

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Speaker 8: have the ten minutes, let's talk this over. Okay, we

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Speaker 8: all agree, JSN. The reality is it's gonna be a

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Speaker 8: lot of voices who come up with that. Whether it's fifty,

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Speaker 8: forty and ten or whatever, it's a percentage that certainly

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Speaker 8: gets some attributed to Pete. So thus you get some credit,

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Speaker 8: you get some pieces of.

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Speaker 3: The sheet cake.

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Speaker 6: Well, we had the conversation a couple of weeks ago

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Speaker 6: about who gets some more credit, Mike McDonald or John Schneider.

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Speaker 3: Right, Well, so now we're just adding Pete into the mix.

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Speaker 6: And obviously Pete does not get close to what Mike

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Speaker 6: McDonald and Josh Schneider get.

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Speaker 4: I think the question is is it McDonald more credit

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Speaker 4: than Schneider me per you did.

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Speaker 6: I gave Schneider more than McDonald, but Schneider's and one

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Speaker 6: of the reasons is Schneider's been here longer and has

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Speaker 6: built the whole roster. But he got help building that

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Speaker 6: roster with Pete Carroll. That's why I give him more

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Speaker 6: than just a modicum of credit.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Well, first of all, two things.

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Speaker 4: Now, I'm desperately craving sheet cake because it's all we've

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Speaker 4: talked about for two hours. Safe Costco or at a

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Speaker 4: Costco or Safeway. Either one's fine. I'm kind of a

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Speaker 4: safe way old school guy, so let's do Safeway.

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Speaker 3: And then number two.

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Speaker 4: At some point, we're gonna hope that Pete Carroll comes

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Speaker 4: back and gets a little bit of recognition by the Seahawks,

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Speaker 4: whether in the Ring of Honor, raises the twelfth Man flag, whatever.

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Speaker 3: I hope it happens sooner than later, because.

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Speaker 4: The guy is seventy five years old, so let's hope

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Speaker 4: it does happen sooner than later. But we do have

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Speaker 4: some talkbacks, right, people chiming in with their thoughts. How

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Speaker 4: much credit Pete Carroll, the pied Piper of the Pete

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Speaker 4: Carroll haters has collected some talkbacks how much credit the

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Speaker 4: old man deserves for what we just saw.

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Speaker 7: The only credit Pete Carroll should get is losing US

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Speaker 7: super Bowl forty nine, putting together crap mediocre teams for

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Speaker 7: the next ten years, so bad enough to see him

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Speaker 7: chewing gum and running around acting young. Ever again, hopefully.

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Speaker 3: Nobody hates the White Monarchs more than that guy.

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Speaker 8: Unbelievable, that is, I do not subscribe to anything he

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Speaker 8: just said.

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Speaker 3: I just can't believe there out there like that. He

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Speaker 3: got you your first super Bowl championship and tooking it too,

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Speaker 3: and you were always good under him. We were all

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Speaker 3: ready to move on. I think everyone was ready to

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Speaker 3: move on. But it was also a hell of a run.

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Speaker 4: And if Mike McDonald has the run that Pete Carroll

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Speaker 4: just had, would you sign up for that right now?

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Speaker 3: Of course, the run that Pete Carroll just had, because.

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Speaker 4: Well, what John Schneider just did nobody's really ever done

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Speaker 4: in the NFL. So what that means is that And

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Speaker 4: again it doesn't need to be back to back, but

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Speaker 4: I'm just saying, if John Schneider gets to another super

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Speaker 4: Bowl and doesn't win it but has the winning percentage

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Speaker 4: that Pete Carroll had in his career with the Seahawks.

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Speaker 4: Do you sign up for that or do you throw

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Speaker 4: that up option back and see what comes back behind

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Speaker 4: doing number two?

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Speaker 8: I throw it back because I think at this point,

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Speaker 8: look at how old he is. I think it would

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Speaker 8: be a disappointment if Mike McDonald didn't win us another Lombardy.

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Speaker 4: How old was Mike Tomlin when he first won his championship?

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Speaker 3: The same age? He was very young, right, comparatively speaking.

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Speaker 8: It's been a disappointment that this John Harball wins.

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Speaker 3: How old was John Harbaugh when he won his first championship?

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Speaker 4: Mike Tomlin was thirty six years old, fellows, and he

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Speaker 4: never made it back.

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Speaker 3: No, he did. He made it back two years later,

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Speaker 3: but never won. But it's a disappointment that he never won.

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Speaker 4: Again because he want He went to one hundred and

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Speaker 4: ninety three and one hundred and fourteen, had a sixty

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Speaker 4: three percent winning percentage with the Pittsburgh Steelers.

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Speaker 3: So you would not take that.

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Speaker 8: No, because I think McDonald's gonna win at least one more,

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Speaker 8: if not to including next year.

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Speaker 4: This is the kind of conversation that always comes. When

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Speaker 4: a guy wins a title, everybody thinks there's another one coming.

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Speaker 3: It's not coming. I do think McVay is gonna win. Okay,

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Speaker 3: one think he does. He may not have Matthew Stafford

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Speaker 3: much longer. He probably have match Stafford for one more year.

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Speaker 8: Guys, like, let's be real here, there is a decent

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Speaker 8: percentage chance that one fourth down conversion is between Sean

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Speaker 8: McVay and his second Lombardi this year. They convert that

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Speaker 8: and they score a touchdown on fourth down, and they

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Speaker 8: could beat the Seahawks, and then they crushed the paper.

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Speaker 4: But that's the way it happens. That's why everybody is

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Speaker 4: always a play away. You don't think Pete was a

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Speaker 4: play away in Arizona.

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Speaker 8: That's what I'm saying is like, Sean McVay is obviously

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Speaker 8: pretty close even next year to winning a second.

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Speaker 6: Do you do you think back to that crazy talkback

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Speaker 6: that just so insane. I mean, if Mike McDonald would

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Speaker 6: have gone eight and nine and then five and twelve

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Speaker 6: the last two years, right, don't you think that guy

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Speaker 6: would have had a different opinion that Pete Carroll and

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Speaker 6: has nothing.

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Speaker 3: To do with what Pete Carroll did. So it's totally unfair.

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Speaker 4: I think all that combined is what's making people kind

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Speaker 4: of crap on the guy. All right, we'll do a

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Speaker 4: textimonnials and then Scott Zolac joints at five on ninety

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