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Speaker 3: Let me ask you some questions that you may be

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Speaker 4: Yes, ma'am?

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Speaker 3: Oh, yes, okay, Well, how do you think judgment Day

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Speaker 3: will work for you? With so much blood on your hands?

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Speaker 1: Thought that that was the opening ceremonies from uh the

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Speaker 1: Malan been called Milan Courtina Like, uh, it's not, you know,

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Speaker 1: But in any event, that was the opening ceremonies. And

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Speaker 3: Oh, yes? Okay, Well, how do you think judgment day

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Speaker 3: Okay, of course not. Do you think you're going to hell? Misterllions,

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Speaker 1: Chairman as a Generallady will suspend.

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Speaker 6: As I said, the issues we're debating here are important

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Speaker 6: to ones that members feel deeply about.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Mile.

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Speaker 8: Director Lyons and Commissioner Scott. Do you think President Trump

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Speaker 9: I'm not going to speak on behalf of President Trump,

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Speaker 1: They're not looking to make any situation better. They're looking

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Speaker 10: A six year old child battling stage four cancer has

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Speaker 10: above you have said, you now have a decision. Will

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Speaker 1: So, okay, the whole thing about the fifth of buyer

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Speaker 1: clemency is absolutely correct.

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Speaker 4: I was going to say it's absolutely correct, and you

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Speaker 4: know what, I would do the exact same thing.

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Speaker 1: But Donald truv being at the center of it got

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Speaker 1: news for you. This is Julie K. Brown of the

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Speaker 1: Miami heralds.

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Speaker 14: It was right after that story broke in Palm Beach

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Speaker 14: that the Trump called the pomp Beach police chief, who

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Speaker 14: he knew, well, because you know Trump, Trump knew a

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Speaker 14: lot of people on pomp Beach, including the chief, and

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Speaker 14: made this comment to the effect that you know, everyone knew. First,

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Speaker 14: he wanted to thank the police for finally stopping him,

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Speaker 14: because again Epstein was finally arrested at this time, and

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Speaker 14: then said everybody knew. And he also goes on to

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Speaker 14: describe how the or to tell the police to really

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Speaker 14: take a good look at at Maxwell because she was

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Speaker 14: sort of the quote unquote operative and she was evil.

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Speaker 14: And he also mentioned that he had been in some

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Speaker 14: kind of a space with Epstein and a bunch of

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Speaker 14: teenage girls. It bothered him, and he said, I got

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Speaker 14: the quote, I got the hell out of there.

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Speaker 1: So, I mean, here's the thing she's talking about, a

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Speaker 1: phone call from two thousand and six. Right, he turned

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Speaker 1: in Jeffrey Epstein and Maxwell in two thousand and six.

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Speaker 1: And can I point out for you one millionth time,

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Speaker 1: the Democrats controlled the DOJ and the Epstein files for

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Speaker 1: more than four years and most recently the four years

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Speaker 1: that Joe Biden was in office, they did nothing, nothing

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Speaker 1: with the Epstein files. And there are many Democrats listed,

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Speaker 1: yet I don't see anybody saying Joe Biden was at

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Speaker 1: the center of the Epstein files, or that maybe Bill

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Speaker 1: Clinton was considering the fact that he went, I think

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Speaker 1: it's seventeen times to Epstein Island. So it's for them

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Speaker 1: to claim here's the center of it. He's hiding things.

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Speaker 1: You had them, you had the files, you did nothing

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Speaker 1: with them. You have lost all credibility. And it just

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Speaker 1: shows how deranged they are that they think people will now.

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Speaker 4: Buy you know, there is the possibility that this is

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Speaker 4: an extreme stroke of genius and exhibits the visionary that

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Speaker 4: a lot of people say that Donald Trump is who

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Speaker 4: back in two thousand and six may have begun the

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Speaker 4: first stages of the cover up.

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Speaker 1: By turning in Epstein and Maxwells for the police.

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Speaker 4: Sure, because he was he was associated with There are

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Speaker 4: many There are many people who were associated with Jeffrey Epstein,

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Speaker 4: both before and after, right before and after he was

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Speaker 4: convicted as a sex offender, and up until and after

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Speaker 4: he was again facing those charges.

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Speaker 1: However, before that phone call, a couple of things happened. One,

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Speaker 1: he threw Epstein out of mar A Lago for being

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Speaker 1: a predator on his employees who were younger women, and

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Speaker 1: By the way, Virginia Giuffrey says, under no circumstances was

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump ever involved in any of those people, and

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Speaker 1: she had no reason to lie given the fact that

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Speaker 1: she was getting ready to shuffle off this mortal coil.

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Speaker 1: So he is I absolutely to cry. Any effort to

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Speaker 1: say he's the center of anything, plans.

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Speaker 4: His way back saying that he is the center of it.

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Speaker 4: I'm just saying that I don't think he began to

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Speaker 4: plot for distance himself from this guy. Stopped started back

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Speaker 4: in two thousand and six.

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Speaker 1: Actually sorted before then.

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Speaker 4: Were the nobody at that point knew the depths of it.

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Speaker 4: The circumstances of Epstein's death to me still don't make

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Speaker 4: a lot of sense. No, I just I get offline

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Speaker 4: here because you know the whole To me, the whole

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Speaker 4: thing could easily be be settled with an official I guess, investigation,

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Speaker 4: release the fine whatever. However you want to take a

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Speaker 4: look at. You want to get somebody who gets to

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Speaker 4: the bottom and looks into exactly who should be, if

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Speaker 4: anybody should be charged in this thing. What was going

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Speaker 4: on with Jeffrey Epstein.

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Speaker 1: I don't disagree, And you know what I'm saying, is

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Speaker 1: to keep claiming that Donald Trump is the center when

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Speaker 1: he there are a lot of people, including Donald Trump,

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Speaker 1: who before they knew what Jeffrey Epstein was, we're involved

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Speaker 1: with Jeffrey Epstein, Trump included. But when he figured it out,

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Speaker 1: he said, uh uh, get out of here, and he

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Speaker 1: turned them over to the police. But there are many

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Speaker 1: people after that who even knew that. Still, those are

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Speaker 1: the people that you have to look at, and those

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Speaker 1: are the people that the Democrats refuse to look at.

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Speaker 1: And my whole point of this was they had the

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Speaker 1: freaking files and did nothing.

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Speaker 4: I get it.

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Speaker 1: So for them to now turn around and say Trump

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Speaker 1: is hiding stuff but this is bizarre.

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Speaker 4: But again, this is water under the bridge now because

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Speaker 4: because until you have an investigation that officially puts this

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Speaker 4: quote unquote to bed, you are always going to have.

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Speaker 1: But you have the documents. Now, you have three million

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Speaker 1: pages of documents.

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Speaker 4: You really don't you really don't.

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Speaker 1: There are something you don't have, but not very.

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Speaker 4: Many's okay, So, but that's different than.

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Speaker 1: There are six names that are redacted.

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Speaker 4: But it's different than having somebody in an investigative responsibility

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Speaker 4: to an independent council. However you want to look at

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Speaker 4: whoever comes up with this investigation rather than throwing it

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Speaker 4: open to the public for their own interpretation. Because that's

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Speaker 4: what's going to happen. You're going to constantly have finger

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Speaker 4: pointing in the name game.

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Speaker 1: And you know what you are because Jeffrey Epstein is

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Speaker 1: dead and gill Maxwell and Gillen Maxwell is trying to

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Speaker 1: sell her testimony and you've never done it.

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Speaker 4: As much as I could never listen to that woman's voice.

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Speaker 4: If I hear it again, it'll be too soon. But

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Speaker 4: you know what I mean. But I just I just think.

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Speaker 1: I think it's never going to happen.

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Speaker 4: You're probably gets people, You're probably too right to.

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Speaker 1: Look at it. It's it's it's getting ready to tear

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Speaker 1: down the British monarchy. It's already done it too, is

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Speaker 1: it the Norwegian Norway? Or did Denmark? Denmark?

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Speaker 4: And that's precisely why there is not an efficient.

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Speaker 1: That's exactly why and why there will never be and

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Speaker 1: but but but in my opinion, absolutely it deserves to be.

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Speaker 1: It's never going to be one and two even though

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Speaker 1: we have all this information, even though you have evidence

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Speaker 1: that Donald Trump, once you figure it out what was

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Speaker 1: going on, that Epstein said, Ah, out of here, get

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Speaker 1: away from me. I think that even with that, the

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Speaker 1: point that I'm trying to make is that the Democrats

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Speaker 1: have no rights to say he is the center of something.

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Speaker 1: This is another example of them lying, another example of

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Speaker 1: them trying to pull a red herring across their own issues,

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Speaker 1: given the fact that they had these documents and they

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Speaker 1: themselves did not unredact them or put them out even

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Speaker 1: though they had them. So for me, for have any

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Speaker 1: of them say that Donald Trump is responsible or Donald

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Speaker 1: Trump is the center of a cover up is bizarre

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Speaker 1: because they sat on them themselves.

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Speaker 4: But that's what you're going to get until this either

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Speaker 4: fades into somebody's distant memory or until but you know again,

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Speaker 4: I mean, Donald Trump is a lightning rod, you know,

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Speaker 4: from both sides.

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Speaker 1: But the problem is that they people he is a

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Speaker 1: lightning rod. And the problem is that people think it's

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Speaker 1: okay to lie about them. Think it's up.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, h exactly now.

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Speaker 1: And that's and it's showed me how crazy they are.

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Speaker 4: But that's that should prove what happens when you have

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Speaker 4: a low base of UH.

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Speaker 1: To go back to your earlier point, I think that's

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Speaker 1: absolutely correct. I think it's absolutely correct, so kind of

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Speaker 1: in line with what we just said. We end each

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Speaker 1: week with a truth or troll, and this week the

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Speaker 1: truth or troll is Marty Baron, former Washington Post executive editor,

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Speaker 1: former Boston Globe editor. We know him very very well

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Speaker 1: in New England. As a matter of fact, he was

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Speaker 1: at the Helm during Boston Globes Glory Days when it

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Speaker 1: exposed the church, the church sex scandal, and that was

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Speaker 1: completely up to them. Brilliant, brilliant job. He was new

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Speaker 1: editor at the time, and just he is, in fact, was,

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Speaker 1: in fact, because he's retired, a brilliant newspaper editor. He

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Speaker 1: was in Miami, he was in Boston, and he ended

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Speaker 1: up up the Washington Post. I grew up with the

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Speaker 1: Washington Post. Knew Catherine Graham, you know, been to the

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Speaker 1: Post many times, new Ben Bradley and friends and so forth.

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Speaker 1: Washington Post was a main stable of my being interested

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Speaker 1: in issues and politics growing up because it was my

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Speaker 1: hometown newspaper. It has fallen apart and they've just laid

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Speaker 1: off four hundred people. And in the past few years,

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Speaker 1: maybe past decade, it went from being something that I

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Speaker 1: thought rivaled in New York times to being a partisan newspaper,

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Speaker 1: and I think all newspapers now have picked aside and

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Speaker 1: they are partisan, which I find very sad. So it's

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Speaker 1: hard to trust what you read. You tend to have

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Speaker 1: to read two or three different papers in order to

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Speaker 1: really get an accurate account of something. But Marty barn

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Speaker 1: came out with a very bizarre statement in my opinion,

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Speaker 1: and I want to know if people think it's he

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Speaker 1: actually believes it, or is he just making excuses and

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Speaker 1: controlling So in this particular case, he suggests that the

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Speaker 1: problem that the Washing Post is having because they were

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Speaker 1: are you ready for this too soft on Donald Trump?

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Speaker 11: Eleven days before the presidential election in twenty twenty four,

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Speaker 11: they killed an editorial for there was endorsing Kamala Harris.

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Speaker 11: He said the paper wouldn't endorse ever again for president,

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Speaker 11: and hundreds of thousands of subscribers canceled at that time,

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Speaker 11: aggravating the financial problems that they had. Subsequent to that,

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Speaker 11: he did all sorts of things that made things even worse,

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Speaker 11: peering at the inauguration on the stage with Donald Trump,

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Speaker 11: buying the Millennia so called documentary for an exorbitant price,

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Speaker 11: buying the right, Amazon buying the rights to The Apprentice,

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Speaker 11: and Amazon had bought the rights to the Millennia's documentary

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Speaker 11: as well, and then completely changing the opinion pages so

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Speaker 11: that essentially they have no columnists who are really left

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Speaker 11: of center, and they're very deferential to Trump, and I

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Speaker 11: think they lack a moral a moral core, and so

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Speaker 11: so all of that has driven subscribers away.

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Speaker 1: Now, so the question is does he really think that

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Speaker 1: or is he just trying to make an excuse for

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Speaker 1: the for the death of the newspaper essentially, because it

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Speaker 1: is not It's not even a shadow of what it

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Speaker 1: used to be. But my point with Marty would be,

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Speaker 1: first of all, Marty is extraordinarily liberal, but you never

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Speaker 1: saw that in his earlier papers like The Miami or

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Speaker 1: Boston Globe. You never saw that his politics were completely

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Speaker 1: out of the newspaper right, which I respected greatly at

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Speaker 1: the Washington Post. That was not true At the Washington Post.

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Speaker 1: The paper crept more and more and more and more left.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't just giving you the news.

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Speaker 4: It was well you you know, did it or did

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Speaker 4: politics and society itself become more extreme? Because when that happens,

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Speaker 4: when you have when the right goes way to the

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Speaker 4: right and the left goes way to the left. You know,

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Speaker 4: you kind of expose the people who are in the

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Speaker 4: middle sometimes sometimes, So I think that maybe Marty Baron

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Speaker 4: may have been Ah, you know, of course we all

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Speaker 4: change over a period of time, but he may have

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Speaker 4: been a victim of the times.

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Speaker 1: He might have been.

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Speaker 4: But you know, I I all I will tell you

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Speaker 4: is that, you know, you know, for anybody who runs

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Speaker 4: a in the media, who runs a newspaper like Jeff Bezos,

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Speaker 4: to be making public appearances with the president, it's bad.

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Speaker 1: Look, it's just a completely bad luck. But the issues

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Speaker 1: with the Washington Post did not start when Donald Trump,

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Speaker 1: you know, ran the second time. They started way before them.

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Speaker 1: And I want to give you an example. And from

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty, the you know, they did a they used

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Speaker 1: to do four pinocchios. They would they would rate you know,

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Speaker 1: things with pinocchio's. You know, are they lying on the nut?

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Speaker 1: The laptop story got four pinocchios for pinocchio noses from

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Speaker 1: the Washing Post. We now know that it was absolutely

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Speaker 1: true that the it was Hunter Biden's laptop, what was

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Speaker 1: on it, what the New York Post reporter was on.

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Speaker 1: It was on it, and it was completely and utterly

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Speaker 1: a cover up. Yet the Washington Post gave it for

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Speaker 1: Pinocchio's so they were weighing in and switching and giving

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Speaker 1: emphasis and support to the progressive left wing party of

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Speaker 1: the Democratic Party before before the twenty twenty eleven.

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Speaker 4: That's what happens when you blur the lines between reporting

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Speaker 4: the news and giving an opinion, and Pinocchio in that case,

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Speaker 4: is giving an opinion an opinion, and when.

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Speaker 1: You do that, it was put out as a news story.

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Speaker 4: This was not. This was not And I think there's

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Speaker 4: there's a lot of that that goes on in this

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Speaker 4: world today. I agree for a number of reasons.

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Speaker 1: But that, to me sure is why the Washington Post

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Speaker 1: started to lose credibility, and that is the basis of

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Speaker 1: why that they're in trouble today, is because they gave

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Speaker 1: away their credibility in order to help one candidate win

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Speaker 1: over another. It wasn't just a you know, the editorial

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Speaker 1: page going hey, you know, we think this guy should win.

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Speaker 1: Every newspaper does that. This was insidious and they did

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Speaker 1: it with alacrity, and so it was to me that

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Speaker 1: is why it wasn't because they were kind to Donald

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Speaker 1: Trump that is now putting a shine on a sneaker

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Speaker 1: after the fact. It was because they gave away their

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Speaker 1: credibility much earlier. So I think Marty Baron is very

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Speaker 1: well aware of this, and I think he's trolling and

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Speaker 1: making excuses at this point. Okay, that's that's my opinion.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean he makes a no, it sounds to

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Speaker 4: me like, well, I think there, you know, I mean,

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Speaker 4: when you consider the life's work of Marty Baron and

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Speaker 4: you see right, okay, and you consider, you know, the

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Speaker 4: environment in which he conducted his life's work towards the

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Speaker 4: end of his arc. What I just had laid out

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Speaker 4: was that that the nation as itself has gone to

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Speaker 4: extremes right and left. And you know, Marty may have

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Speaker 4: strayed from his inner mission from the beginning of his

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Speaker 4: career to the end of his career. And he's retired now,

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Speaker 4: so he's able to relax those standards a little bit.

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Speaker 4: But you you tendency, you have a tendency to move

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Speaker 4: within the political spectrum over your act to your career.

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Speaker 4: But when you're exposed on the left and right like

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Speaker 4: that and you stay more or less in the middle,

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Speaker 4: your misgivings and your missteps because we all make them

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Speaker 4: are highlighted, and so I think that there's a lot

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Speaker 4: of truth in his statement there. But I also see

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Speaker 4: your point in that he is I mean, I don't

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Speaker 4: see it that way, but I see how you could

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Speaker 4: see it that way.

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Speaker 1: I have great respect for Marty Baron. I think he

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Speaker 1: was one of the great newspaper guys in our country.

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Speaker 1: But I think he was infected with Trump dysphorius syndrome

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Speaker 1: near the end of his career. Well movie said, I

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Speaker 1: think the Washington Post was exhibited that particular illness, because

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Speaker 1: that's what it is. And then I think he's still

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Speaker 1: in the grips of it, as are a lot of

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Speaker 1: Democrats and liberals are so horrified by Donald Trump. They

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Speaker 1: don't understand that more than half the people in this

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Speaker 1: country actually resonate with Donald Trump and are tired of

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Speaker 1: being lied to and pushed about and treated by people

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Speaker 1: who patronize them and tell them they're stupid and think

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Speaker 1: that they are less than they are. And I think

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Speaker 1: that's what Trump dysphoria is, and people have to get

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Speaker 1: over it, because I mean, I grew up a Democrat

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Speaker 1: in a Republican Washington, D C. With Ronald Reagan behind,

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Speaker 1: you know, And I got to tell you my parents

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Speaker 1: had friends who were Democrats and Republicans. I never saw

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Speaker 1: the vitriol that I see now. And I grew up

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Speaker 1: in Washington, D C. And which is the home of vitriol,

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Speaker 1: and I didn't see it. And that is something that

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Speaker 1: has developed.

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Speaker 4: But just remember this has all happened before, and it

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Speaker 4: will happen in the United States, and it will happen again.

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Speaker 4: I mean every every seventy or eighty years if you've

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Speaker 4: watched No.

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Speaker 1: Because that's that's one of their themes. That happened before,

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Speaker 1: and it will happen.

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, But I mean every seventy eighty years in

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Speaker 4: this country we go through we have a moment, yeah,

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Speaker 4: and we're having a moment.

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Speaker 1: I think that's a great way to end it. I

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Speaker 1: think that's perfect. So thank you everybody for listening. We

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Speaker 1: have we put up a new podcast every Mondays, so

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Speaker 1: check back next week and see what new offerings we have. Meanwhile,

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Speaker 1: you can contact us on x at news Byte three

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Speaker 1: or on Facebook at news Bite. Have a great week.

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