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Speaker 1: A lot going on with the Vinchbrook Steelers joining me

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Speaker 1: now to talk about it. You hear him on the

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Speaker 1: Steelers post game show on DVE. You hear his great

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Speaker 1: podcast with Trey Essex. He is former Steelers quarterback Charlie Batch.

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Speaker 2: Charlie, what's your.

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Speaker 1: Front page take on the McCarthy higher. It's a different

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Speaker 3: He had had For me, I look at it, it's

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Speaker 3: a comfort hire and because everybody who is around is

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Speaker 3: very familiar with Mike McCarthy going back to two thousand

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Speaker 3: whenever Andy Waido and Omar Kahn, they all were together

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Speaker 3: in New Orleans, and ultimately all of these years later,

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Speaker 3: once you get past the resume, it was, hey, we

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Speaker 3: are more familiar with this guy than anybody else. But

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Speaker 3: I think ultimately they're trying to figure out a way

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Speaker 3: to spark that offense. And this is a good hire,

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Speaker 3: and that's why I like it.

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Speaker 1: McCarthy said he wants Aaron Rodgers back. They're retaining the

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Speaker 1: quarterback coach. It sounds like a full court press to

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Speaker 1: bring back Rogers, doesn't it.

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Speaker 3: It does, But and I think a lot of it

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Speaker 3: has to do with the options that are out there,

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Speaker 3: and this is very familiar with what happened last year

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Speaker 3: when we were talking about Russell Wilson justin fields and

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Speaker 3: who they were potentially going to bring back, but the

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Speaker 3: field was not there, and at that time of discussion,

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Speaker 3: Aaron Rodgers was not available. But now you fast forward

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Speaker 3: a year later based off the year he had and

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Speaker 3: everyone else who's out there. I just don't see anybody

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Speaker 3: else out there. As it relates to an upgrade. You

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Speaker 3: can take chances on people, but you know what you

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Speaker 3: have with Aaron, and I think that's probably the way

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Speaker 3: to be with will Howard.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree with the lack of options out there,

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Speaker 1: But what's your take on Malik Willis? Would you look

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Speaker 1: at him because he's relatively young and maybe that's hedging

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Speaker 1: the bet against whoever you do eventually draft to hopefully

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, remember three years ago ago, these guys were

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Speaker 3: the same ones that were evaluating him when he came

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Speaker 4: And now he's on his second team.

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Speaker 3: He's in that West Coast System in Green Bay, and

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Speaker 3: he showed flashes that he.

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Speaker 4: Can get it done.

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Speaker 3: But again, Green Bay's roster offensively looks a lot better

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Speaker 3: than what thet Deelers does offensively, So if you put

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Speaker 3: him in this offense, what are the pieces are going

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Speaker 3: to look like around him? But yet you're going to

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Speaker 3: have to make a commitment for three to four years

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Speaker 3: with Elite and that's going to hinder the development of

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Speaker 3: Will Howard. So this is going to be something from

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Speaker 3: a negotiation standpoint that's going to be a lot tougher

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Speaker 1: It sounds to me like you're high on Will Howard, Charlie.

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Speaker 1: What makes you think he could get it done?

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Speaker 4: Well?

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Speaker 3: How on a sense of you, if you can hit

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Speaker 3: on the sixth rounder, now you can put the pieces

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Speaker 2: No, No, it's a worthwhile gamble.

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Speaker 3: I'll give it that, Yes, And that's where I was

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Speaker 3: going with it as it relates to Now you have

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Speaker 3: off the offense that he's potentially going to go in

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Speaker 3: with Mike McCarthy, I think this is a win win

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Speaker 4: Even though we're not familiar.

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Speaker 3: With McCarthy's offense because we haven't seen it on a

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Speaker 3: I think that fits him well. If you can put

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Speaker 1: I just like that he's an offensive coach, Charlie, and

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Speaker 1: certainly has displayed some acumen for that side of the

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree with you on that, and I think

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Speaker 4: Multiple coordinators, but again the same result.

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Speaker 3: But when you look at what McCarthy's able to do

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Speaker 3: So I saw the way that the verbage was and

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Speaker 3: I think that's going to be a very good compliment

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Speaker 1: Well, one they're going to have to change is McCarthy

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Speaker 1: very often uses three wideouts, So I guess the Steelers

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Speaker 3: Yeah, finally, right, And this is something that we've been

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Speaker 3: this is a guy who would flourish in this system,

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Speaker 3: but yet he's a free agent. He's this is his

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Speaker 3: he is going to be a great three two B

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Speaker 4: Going to help his offense.

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Speaker 1: No, I agree with that, and probably number four on

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Speaker 1: top of that, at the very least It's funny, Charlie,

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Speaker 1: because I've grown to not see DK metcalf as a

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Speaker 1: not a classic number one. He can be your best receiver.

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Speaker 1: But but if he is your number one, you need

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Speaker 3: Yeah, then this is going to be interesting because you know,

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Speaker 3: this coaching staff did not pay him to be on

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Speaker 4: But you're going to have to move around.

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Speaker 3: If he's a stationery guy, then that plays to the

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Speaker 4: So he's now going to have to play multiple positions.

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Speaker 3: And the one thing that I like, and it's proven

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Speaker 4: I think that's going to be a benefit to DK.

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Speaker 2: Talk about that.

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Speaker 1: I think it will be a benefit to DK too.

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Speaker 1: But how much extra homework is that to make everybody

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Speaker 3: Well, it's going to take a lot more studying for sure,

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Speaker 3: something that these guys are going to now have to

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Speaker 3: the backside of a three by one, it's a lot

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Speaker 3: So again I like what the potential is, but you

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Speaker 1: Is the McCarthy hired good news for Pat Friarmouth because

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Speaker 1: he clearly wasn't the type of tight end that Arthur Smith, well,

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Speaker 1: not that he used anyway, but I think he's the

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Speaker 1: type of tight end McCarthy likes.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean once you get past the money situation,

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Speaker 3: because this is the type of tight end that you

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Speaker 3: Darnell Washington would go down to now tight end number

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Speaker 3: two because that style is not complacent as it relates

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Speaker 1: McCarthy was great his press conference, wasn't it. He even

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Speaker 1: brought a tear to my eye, Charlie, And you know me,

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Speaker 1: that's tough to do.

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Speaker 3: It is and a lot of people I've seen people

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Speaker 3: how emotional he is. When you grew up a Steeler

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Speaker 3: and I did it. In two thousand and two in

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Speaker 3: this is a childhood dream that came true. It doesn't

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Speaker 3: matter if you're playing or in a coaching manner, like

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Speaker 3: the passion that comes along with it. Yeah, I get it.

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Speaker 3: And people say, oh, yeah, Rooney's they hired him because

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Speaker 3: been productive. He is a super Bowl winning quarterback, even

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Speaker 3: the fact that that is on his resume and his

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Speaker 1: Charlie, like you just talked about, you're from Homestead, you

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Speaker 1: played for the Steelers. It's tough to put into words

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Speaker 4: It is?

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Speaker 3: And it doesn't mean at the first time that you

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Speaker 3: and these are things that you know, people kind of

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Speaker 4: And that's how passionate it was.

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Speaker 3: Being from Homestead, fifteen minutes away from Three Rivers Stadium

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Speaker 3: the youth in high school to now being able to

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Speaker 2: Is there extra pressure though as well?

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Speaker 1: I mean, McCarthy's from Greenfield and we love it, but

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Speaker 1: Finally, Charlie, what's your take on Bill Belichick not making

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Speaker 4: So again I looked at it. I was shocked. I'm like, Wow, that's.

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Speaker 4: That was all part of the game.

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Speaker 3: So again it'd be interesting to see which voters voted,

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Speaker 3: I'm afraid to figure out what's going to happen out

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Speaker 1: Charlie is always great in put great insight. We'll talk

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Speaker 1: Hear him on the Steelers Audio network and he does

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Speaker 1: that podcast with Trey Essex. Okay, we got more football

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Speaker 5: M hey, big dog. The whole Belichick thing. So Belichick

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Speaker 1: No, you could. You couldn't be more wrong. He won

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Speaker 1: That's ridiculous that Brady won a super Bowl without him.

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Speaker 1: So it nullified Belichick winning six super Bowls. That's just stupid,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe Pollyan and Tony Dungee, who's a scumbag Tony Dungee,

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Speaker 1: the X Double IM on the X lot's going on

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Speaker 6: in every year. There aren't five and seven qualified Hall

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Speaker 6: of Famers that should get in every year. I will

439
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Speaker 6: tell you honestly, Mark, when I get for the modern

440
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Speaker 6: air players. It's a separate vote between the coach contributor

441
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Speaker 6: and the three seniors, as opposed to the vote for

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Speaker 6: the modern air player. But when I get the list

443
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Speaker 6: when we were in these eight hour meetings that we

444
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Speaker 6: did a couple of weeks ago, and when I get

445
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Speaker 6: see the final list of twenty five and I have

446
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Speaker 6: to vote it down to fifteen, I have a hard time.

447
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Speaker 6: I don't have a hard time doing that. It's easier

448
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Speaker 6: than I do when it gets to fifteen and I

449
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Speaker 6: have to vote it down even lower because I look

450
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Speaker 6: at some of these guys and I go, yeah, they're

451
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Speaker 6: really good players, but I don't look at them as

452
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Speaker 6: Hall of Fame players. I think even like I think

453
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Speaker 6: de Honor Sanders or somebody said the same thing that

454
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Speaker 6: too many guys that they've considered to be mid talented

455
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Speaker 6: players are getting into the Hall of Fame. And I

456
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Speaker 6: agree with that, and I think the Hall wanted to

457
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Speaker 6: curtail that by implementing this new process. So we are placed.

458
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Speaker 6: We were given five candidates, three seniors, Elsie Greenwood, Ken Anderson,

459
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Speaker 6: and Roger Craig. They were advanced by a separate committee.

460
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Speaker 6: We were given a contributor, Robert Kraft, who was advanced

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Speaker 6: from a separate committee. And then we were given Belichick,

462
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Speaker 6: who was advanced from a separate committee. So we get

463
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Speaker 6: five people and we have to vote for three in

464
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Speaker 6: any order. That doesn't matter. There's no more vote for first

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Speaker 6: than there is for thirty. But I just, man, when

466
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Speaker 6: I saw that Belichick didn't get in, Mark, I was shocked.

467
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Speaker 6: And I think what happens to some degree is some

468
00:20:52,560 --> 00:20:55,560
Speaker 6: people think, look, Belichick's going to get in, so I'm

469
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Speaker 6: going to vote for three other people who i'd like

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Speaker 6: to see get in. And I know that that happens.

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Speaker 6: And I don't know how much that happened here, but

472
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Speaker 6: I know one guy came out, a guy from Saint Louis,

473
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Speaker 6: Kansas City, varhe Gregorian, and I respect what he said

474
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Speaker 6: and did, but he even admitted it wasn't any anti

475
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Speaker 6: Belichick sentiment. It was he figured Belichick's going to get in,

476
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Speaker 6: but some of these seniors get lost from getting in,

477
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Speaker 6: and he's going to vote for the seniors, and so

478
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Speaker 6: some of that happens too. Regardless of all that, Mark,

479
00:21:29,960 --> 00:21:32,879
Speaker 6: to me, it's very simple, you can't blame the process

480
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Speaker 6: in this instance because to me, when you get those

481
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Speaker 6: three guys, you vote for Belichick and two under two others.

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Speaker 6: That's the way I always know.

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Speaker 1: I agree if there is a flaw that I see, Jerry,

484
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Speaker 1: I don't know why Belichick slumped in with the senior players.

485
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Speaker 1: And I'm not that high on the concept of the

486
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Speaker 1: senior players either, because Elsie Greenwood, for example, great player,

487
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Speaker 1: but he retired in nineteen eighty one.

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Speaker 2: If he ain't in by now, I mean, what's the.

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Speaker 6: Point, well, Mark, that's part of the argument. And what

490
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Speaker 6: happens then is when the senior gets to this this level,

491
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Speaker 6: this the final three, and typically after that he's going

492
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Speaker 6: to disappear and he's never going to be heard from again,

493
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Speaker 6: especially a guy like LC who's so long ago. I mean,

494
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Speaker 6: this is as good a chance as he is going

495
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Speaker 6: to get. And some people think that way on the committee,

496
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Speaker 6: and I'm not saying they're wrong, but in this instance,

497
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Speaker 6: you look at it and go who was worthy? Nobody

498
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Speaker 6: is more worthy than Bill Belichick. And I'll say one

499
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Speaker 6: more thing, Mark, in the Baseball Hall of Fame voting,

500
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Speaker 6: what you did on outside the game is part of

501
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Speaker 6: is part of your vote. It's to be considered which

502
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Speaker 6: is why Pete Rose has been banned in the NFL.

503
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Speaker 6: They don't want to consider anything that is off the field.

504
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Speaker 6: It is you're on the field accomplishments. And I know

505
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Speaker 6: some people and you know you read about Bill Polly,

506
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Speaker 6: and I mean, Mark, I was in that committee, in

507
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Speaker 6: that meeting, I heard all that stuff. I'm not going

508
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Speaker 6: to sit here and say Bill Polly and as it

509
00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:05,960
Speaker 6: was portrayed that he was trying to curry favor with

510
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Speaker 6: other voters to keep Belichick out, he even admitted he

511
00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:13,960
Speaker 6: voted for Belichick. Now that's what he said. But I

512
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Speaker 6: just think it's very simple. Belichick is the most deserving

513
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Speaker 6: of all those candidates, so you vote for him and

514
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Speaker 6: then you pick two more.

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Speaker 7: That's my feeling, Jerry.

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Speaker 1: Let's move on to the coaching hire. What assistance do

517
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Speaker 1: we know or think Mike McCarthy is hired And I

518
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Speaker 1: haven't seen the team announce anything yet.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, they're not going to just yet, Mark, because they

520
00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:38,040
Speaker 6: have to go through some of these processes with you

521
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Speaker 6: know that the protocols that have to be in place

522
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Speaker 6: with who you with, who you bring in for interviews.

523
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Speaker 6: But I think it's safe to assume that Patrick Graham

524
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Speaker 6: is going to be the defensive coordinator, the guy who

525
00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:52,040
Speaker 6: was with the Raiders the last two years. He's also

526
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Speaker 6: with the Dolphins before and the Giants in that capacity. Now,

527
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Speaker 6: he's a regarded, highly regarded coach, Mark because whenever he's

528
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Speaker 6: been caught in a head coach being let go, he

529
00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:06,080
Speaker 6: gets another job as a defensive coordinator. Doesn't really have

530
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Speaker 6: a lot of you know, could go look at the

531
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Speaker 6: Raiders stats and I don't know what they are, Mark,

532
00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:13,439
Speaker 6: but they don't exactly have a lot of frontline players

533
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Speaker 6: on defense. I think it's a little different situation with

534
00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:19,040
Speaker 6: the Steelers, but I think you could pretty much assume

535
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Speaker 6: that he's going to be the defensive coordinator. James Campin

536
00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:28,360
Speaker 6: has been with McCarthy every year in Green Bay. You know,

537
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Speaker 6: he's one of the guys being considered for the offensive

538
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Speaker 6: line coach. I think you could pretty much figure that

539
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Speaker 6: he's going to be that guy. And I don't think

540
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Speaker 6: and he's going to hire an offensive coordinator, Mark, but

541
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Speaker 6: it's going to be different. And I say it's going

542
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Speaker 6: to be different. I think you'll see him hire a

543
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Speaker 6: younger guy because McCarthy calls the plays, but he's always

544
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Speaker 6: had an offensive coordinator, and you look at his last

545
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Speaker 6: two in Dallas where Brian Schottenheimer and Kellen Moore, each

546
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Speaker 6: of whom went on to become a head coach. I

547
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Speaker 6: think you'll see that same type of play be the

548
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Speaker 6: offensive coordinator, but but Mike McCarthy is going to call

549
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Speaker 6: the play. So that's kind of where they are. I

550
00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:11,280
Speaker 6: think you'll see maybe the offensive coordinator, the running back coach.

551
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Speaker 6: They already hired Adam Henry as the wide receiver coach

552
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Speaker 6: from the Buffalo Bills. I think he spent a year

553
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Speaker 6: with McCarthy in Green Bay. I excuse me in Dallas,

554
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Speaker 6: but I think you I don't think you're gonna see

555
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Speaker 6: the offensive coordinator and maybe the running backs coach and

556
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Speaker 6: whoever else with tight ends coach. I think you'll see

557
00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:34,760
Speaker 6: more of that next week, and I think they'll they'll

558
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Speaker 6: settle for now with naming. I think I think Patrick

559
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Speaker 6: Graham is coming in tomorrow, Mark, so it's a good

560
00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:45,320
Speaker 6: chance he could be named tomorrow. But he's coming in

561
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Speaker 6: tomorrow for an interview, So that's kind of where they

562
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Speaker 6: are with the process.

563
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Speaker 1: We're talking to Jerry Dulac in the post because that

564
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Speaker 1: Jerry brought to us by Bud White, easy to drink,

565
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Speaker 1: easy to enjoy, Jerry, I'm not crazy about the hire,

566
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Speaker 1: but they don't hate it, and I am. I'm glad

567
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Speaker 1: he's an offensive oriented coach. Maybe they'll change the general

568
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Speaker 1: outlook of the team, But I wonder what adjustments the

569
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Speaker 1: roster has to make, because, for example, McCarthy often uses

570
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Speaker 1: three wide receivers, which means omar Con better go get

571
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Speaker 1: a bunch of wide receivers.

572
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Speaker 6: Yeah, Mark, Yeah, I agree. I think that's what you're

573
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Speaker 6: going to see the biggest change. You know, he likes

574
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Speaker 6: running backs. I don't think he'll see that change a

575
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Speaker 6: whole lot. I really don't think he'll see a change

576
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Speaker 6: in personnel there unless, you know, unless Kenny Gainwell would

577
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Speaker 6: decide to do what Justin Fields did and say, look,

578
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Speaker 6: I'm going to go see what I can get on

579
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Speaker 6: the open market. But beyond that, I don't see them

580
00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:42,120
Speaker 6: making changes there. But in terms of the roster makeup,

581
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Speaker 6: you know, the Packers would always keep six, seven, eight

582
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Speaker 6: wide receivers on their roster Mark and you see the Steelers,

583
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Speaker 6: what are they keep four? In a special teams guy?

584
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Speaker 6: And I think that's where you will see the biggest

585
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Speaker 6: change in the makeup of the roster. You know, that's

586
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Speaker 6: always been you know, Mike McCarthy's always been very good

587
00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:06,200
Speaker 6: at that. Now I will point out that he's been

588
00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:09,160
Speaker 6: very fortunate. When he went to green Bay he got

589
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Speaker 6: fret vav at the end, and then Aaron Rodgers, of course,

590
00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:14,879
Speaker 6: and then when he went to Dallas he had Dak Prescott.

591
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:17,080
Speaker 6: He doesn't have that here. Even if he gets Rogers,

592
00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:19,240
Speaker 6: it's a forty two year old Aaron Rodgers is not

593
00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:22,680
Speaker 6: the same guy. So he's walked He's he's had better

594
00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:27,240
Speaker 6: situations than what he's walking into here, you know with

595
00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:29,919
Speaker 6: the Steelers, because let's facebook mark, it's not exactly like

596
00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:33,160
Speaker 6: the offense is loaded with big time talent. You could

597
00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:35,160
Speaker 6: probably count it on one or two fingers, and one

598
00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:39,480
Speaker 6: of them's Troy Tanham, So you know it's gonna be

599
00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:41,600
Speaker 6: a bit of it. It's not the same situation that

600
00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:45,719
Speaker 6: he walked into in Green Bay and even Dallas.

601
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Speaker 1: Is it a good higher for Pat Fryer move? Does

602
00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:51,439
Speaker 1: he jump up the depth chart over Darnell Washington?

603
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Speaker 6: It would seem so, well, yeah, I don't want to

604
00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:58,880
Speaker 6: say he should jump ahead of him on the depth chart.

605
00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:00,919
Speaker 6: Whether he's on the depth chart or not. But I

606
00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:03,000
Speaker 6: mean it's you know, it's going to be how many

607
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:04,919
Speaker 6: snaps does he play. Look, I don't have a problem

608
00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:07,359
Speaker 6: with darn down Washington playing the snaps that he plays

609
00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:10,399
Speaker 6: because he's a tremendous blocker. You just have to play

610
00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:14,080
Speaker 6: Pat Friarmuth more and target him more. Right, That's going

611
00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:16,600
Speaker 6: to be the big key, Not so much snaps because

612
00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:19,280
Speaker 6: Washington's going to play a lot of run snaps. So

613
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Speaker 6: that's where That's where they were failing with friar Muth

614
00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:27,120
Speaker 6: was just not one not playing him enough and two

615
00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:31,000
Speaker 6: not especially not targeting him enough. So I think I

616
00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:33,240
Speaker 6: think you will see that change. But I think the

617
00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:36,600
Speaker 6: other thing you'll see Mark I think their intention hasn't

618
00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:39,640
Speaker 6: changed there to try to draft a quarterback. And I

619
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Speaker 6: say try, and I say intention because whether that happens

620
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:47,600
Speaker 6: or not, who knows at this point. But short of that,

621
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Speaker 6: there's no question in my mind, if it isn't a quarterback,

622
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:53,720
Speaker 6: they are going wide receiver in that first round to

623
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Speaker 6: help implement what McCarthy does. And even if it wasn't

624
00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:58,520
Speaker 6: like McCarthy, they still were going to go in that

625
00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:02,000
Speaker 6: area because they are devoid of talent at that position.

626
00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:06,320
Speaker 6: You know, explosive talent, Mark, big time talent, and you'll

627
00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:09,000
Speaker 6: see them go try and get a wide receiver who

628
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:12,320
Speaker 6: kind of can be paired with DK Metcalf, who I

629
00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:15,640
Speaker 6: always believe was a really good number two receiver, but

630
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Speaker 6: not a number one receiver.

631
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Speaker 2: I agree with that.

632
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Speaker 1: Now we hear Tom arth Is coming back as the

633
00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:23,920
Speaker 1: QB coach and Rogers and he reportedly had a good relationship.

634
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Speaker 1: It's going to be a full court press to get

635
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Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers back, isn't it. And given that, I don't

636
00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:31,680
Speaker 1: buy the lip service they're pain. Do they like Will Howard?

637
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Speaker 1: I think that's just what they feel they're expected to say.

638
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Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm with you there in that regard, Mark, and

639
00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:44,040
Speaker 6: I will say this too. You can't have any great

640
00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:46,960
Speaker 6: feel for Will Howard beyond what he did in college

641
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:50,160
Speaker 6: because you didn't see it here. He didn't play in

642
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:52,240
Speaker 6: a game and all he did was for half the

643
00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:56,360
Speaker 6: season play scout team quarterback. And Mark I said, that's

644
00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:59,320
Speaker 6: like picking the winner or the US Open. Because you

645
00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:01,240
Speaker 6: watched them on the practice range hit a lot of

646
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:04,200
Speaker 6: had a lot of good shots. It doesn't matter what

647
00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:06,240
Speaker 6: he does as a scout team quarterback. You need to

648
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:08,760
Speaker 6: see him play a game. They haven't been able to

649
00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:12,320
Speaker 6: do that, and so you can't fully judge or even

650
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:15,560
Speaker 6: partially judge Will Howard to me until you see him

651
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Speaker 6: in a game. That being said, I think they like

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Speaker 6: what they've seen of him, and I think they're willing

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Speaker 6: to give him a chance. But I'm not going to

654
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Speaker 6: sit here and say they're going to give him a

655
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Speaker 6: chance to be the starter right now. And as for Rogers, Mark,

656
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Speaker 6: I think he really liked it here. He liked the people,

657
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Speaker 6: he liked his experience here. It was unlike the Jets,

658
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Speaker 6: where he's thinking of retiring after two years of misery

659
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Speaker 6: with the Jets, and you're kidding me, complete opposite feeling

660
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Speaker 6: now after his year in Pittsburgh. So I would not

661
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Speaker 6: be surprised to see him want to come back here,

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Speaker 6: you know, and maybe not even you know, wait until

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Speaker 6: June to make that decision. So I think there's a

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Speaker 6: good chance he will want to come back, And then

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Speaker 6: of course they'll make the decision whether they want him

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Speaker 6: to come back relative to maybe what happens in the draft,

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Speaker 6: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: We'll see, Oh, Jerry, I would think he would decide

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Speaker 1: before the draft. I mean, they can't let it go

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Speaker 1: on as long as it did. In fact, I wouldn't

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Speaker 1: let it go past the beginning of free agency.

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Speaker 6: Well, Mark, and I will say this though too, it

673
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Speaker 6: doesn't matter if Aaron Rodgers is coming back or not.

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Speaker 6: It's not changing their intention of what they want to

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Speaker 6: do in the draft. So even if he's coming back,

676
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Speaker 6: that isn't going to change one bit the idea that

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Speaker 6: they would want to get a quarterback if they're able to,

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Speaker 6: and I mean, you know, a top flight one as

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Speaker 6: best they can if one is out there. I don't

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Speaker 6: think Aaron Rodgers will have anything to do, whether he's

681
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Speaker 6: coming back or not, with what they decide to do

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Speaker 6: in a draft.

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Speaker 1: Art Rooney said it wasn't important to win the initial

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Speaker 1: press conference, but Mike McCarthy certainly did that.

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Speaker 6: Didn't Hey, Bingo, Mark, you know, to me, it was

686
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Speaker 6: a home run on his part. I think the emotion

687
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Speaker 6: he showed, the way he talked about the city and

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Speaker 6: the organization. I don't know what the percentages of the

689
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Speaker 6: dissenters out there and all the critics who didn't want

690
00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:07,040
Speaker 6: to see him hired, how many were transformed by his

691
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Speaker 6: press conference. But there's no doubt about it. I mean,

692
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Speaker 6: he hit a home run with that press conference, and

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Speaker 6: I think he won over a lot of people and

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Speaker 6: certainly impressed a lot of people.

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Speaker 1: Then again, Jerry, if he starts out oz and too,

696
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Speaker 1: they'll forget he's from Greenfield awful fast, won't they.

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Speaker 6: That's exactly right. They might set the streets on fire

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Speaker 6: mark for all.

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Speaker 1: We know, Jerry, great stuff is always Thank you for

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Speaker 1: the input, and we'll talk.

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Speaker 2: Again next week.

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Speaker 6: All right, my good chat with you, my friend.

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Speaker 2: That's Jerry do.

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Speaker 1: I brought to us by bud Light, easy to drink,

705
00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:40,320
Speaker 1: easy to enjoy, Great insight and honesty from Jerry on

706
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Speaker 1: that Hall of Fame thing. And yeah, we mentioned earlier

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Speaker 1: that the Pro Football Hall of Fame put out a

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Speaker 1: news release that if voters are found to have violated

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Speaker 1: the protocol whatever that is, they could have their vote

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Speaker 1: taken away. So Jerry didn't say who we voted for,

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Speaker 1: and I assume he thereby does not violate the protocol.

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Speaker 2: Sounds like you voted for Belichick though, Uh.

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Speaker 1: Up next to ask Mark anything four one two three

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Speaker 1: three three wxdx that's the double secret probation number or

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Speaker 1: eight three three four one two w xdx, or leave

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Speaker 1: a talkback via the microphone icon at the iHeartMedia app

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Speaker 1: one oh five nine dial now eight three three four

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Speaker 1: one two w xdx to ask Mark anything.

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Speaker 2: What's good to Zach? Zach? You're on with Mark?

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Speaker 4: Good day, mister Madden, I said, good day.

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Speaker 7: You're talking about watching that seventies show reruns all the time.

722
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Speaker 7: I just went through a binge of it myself. I

723
00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:41,040
Speaker 7: can't get through the last season. Is it really that bad?

724
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Speaker 7: Am I overhyping it that it's that bad.

725
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Speaker 1: It's not that bad. It just lasted a season longer

726
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Speaker 1: than it should have. When Tawfer Grace left. Uh, they

727
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Speaker 1: initially recast you know, that's Seth Myers's brother, Josh Myers,

728
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Speaker 1: who played the Randy character who basically replaced Eric. And

729
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Speaker 1: they actually thought about casting Josh Myers as Eric and

730
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Speaker 1: just keeping the Eric character in the show.

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Speaker 2: But that just wouldn't have worked.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they they should have cut it off after Eric left,

733
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Speaker 1: or what they could have done was and I think

734
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Speaker 1: this was bandied abot do like a five episode mini

735
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Speaker 1: season where Toafer Grace stays and they wrap it up

736
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Speaker 1: with him. But I guess he wasn't amenable even to

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Speaker 1: doing that.

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Speaker 7: I do remember reading what you just said too about

739
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Speaker 7: they wanted to recast Eric and they just and I

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Speaker 7: thought the last episode of Eric was a great sendoff.

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Speaker 7: But do you also agree with me that when they

742
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Speaker 7: turned blonde to Dawn Donna blonde, that's when they jumped

743
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Speaker 7: the shark.

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Speaker 1: Well they did that because she was in a movie

745
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Speaker 1: that required her to be blonde.

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Speaker 7: Oh I didn't know that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's why they did it. No, No, it just

748
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Speaker 2: it just.

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Speaker 1: It just probably lasted a season even too longer than

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Speaker 1: it should have. I I thought that Rad and Kitty

751
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Speaker 1: became too comedic after a point, not that they were

752
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Speaker 1: never not, but I thought they were Middle America mom

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Speaker 1: and dad, and then went to being uh uh Jerry

754
00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:11,680
Speaker 1: Stiller and Anne Mira if you remember that, that comedic couple.

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Speaker 1: So U so yeah, I I I just think, but

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Speaker 1: every show does that, doesn't it. And I I still

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Speaker 1: watched the last episode, the last uh, the last season,

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Speaker 1: and the last episode has has particular significance to me,

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Speaker 1: as you might have heard me say, because that's not

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Speaker 1: my My mom passed away that night and and she

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Speaker 1: loved that seventies show and I wondered if she ever

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Speaker 1: got to see the last episode, And UH still think

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Speaker 1: about that to this day when I see the episode.

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Speaker 2: Let's go to Rob, Rob. You're all with Mark?

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Speaker 5: Good day?

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Speaker 2: I said, good day? Hey.

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Speaker 5: Do you feel like the term classic rock? Is it

768
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Speaker 5: like a seid time frame of music?

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Speaker 2: Or is it fluid and like older? It's whatever DV plays, Bro.

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Speaker 1: I mean I I think I think of it as

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Speaker 1: as like sixty six through seventy nine, you know. I

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Speaker 1: think of it as basically the let the Black Sabbath

773
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Speaker 1: and led Zeppelin era, like when those groups existed. So

774
00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:11,960
Speaker 1: like for me, it's sixty six or sixty seven through

775
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Speaker 1: seventy nine or eighty.

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Speaker 2: But then again, I love eighties rock.

777
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Speaker 1: I'm not I love music from every era and we're

778
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Speaker 1: just trying to classify a time frame here. But to me,

779
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Speaker 1: classic rock is is sixty six or sixty seven through

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Speaker 1: seventy nine or eighty. Let's go to Don Don You're

781
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:31,520
Speaker 1: in the air.

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Speaker 6: Hi, Mark, how are you great?

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Speaker 5: Talk?

784
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:38,719
Speaker 6: I'm on my way to corneoc Ye.

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00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:41,760
Speaker 2: Turn your radio down, turn your radio down, Please don't

786
00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:44,799
Speaker 2: f up the show. Okay, what do you want to know?

787
00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:47,000
Speaker 6: I'm on my way to Corneot.

788
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:50,480
Speaker 5: Have you ever eaten at the firehouse in mead Bill

789
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:51,640
Speaker 5: And wasn't it any good?

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00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:52,879
Speaker 7: No?

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00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:53,160
Speaker 1: Never?

792
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:53,359
Speaker 6: Eight.

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Speaker 1: I don't spend a lot of time in Meadville since

794
00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:57,280
Speaker 1: I stopped covering high school hockey.

795
00:36:57,600 --> 00:36:59,000
Speaker 2: What are the roads like? How's the weather?

796
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:01,239
Speaker 6: I'm on a turn fight right now.

797
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:04,160
Speaker 5: If by grand Berry perfectly clear, just salty roads.

798
00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:06,160
Speaker 6: Other than that, just white powder.

799
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Speaker 2: Because I'll be going. Well, save some of the white

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Speaker 2: powder for me. Let's go to a.

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Speaker 8: Talkback, Hey Mark, I was wondering how natural of an

802
00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:17,399
Speaker 8: as kiss or Tom is. He does a really great

803
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:19,800
Speaker 8: job at it, especially when he's snickers after.

804
00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:21,120
Speaker 2: You say something, no, no heat.

805
00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:24,959
Speaker 1: Tom's a great goodbye, goodbye. Cut this off now. Tom's great,

806
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:27,640
Speaker 1: great producer. Too bad we had to fire him. Let's

807
00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:28,000
Speaker 1: go to a.

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00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:32,480
Speaker 5: Talkback, Hey Mark, you were talking about Eli Manning. He

809
00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:35,319
Speaker 5: beat Tom Brady's team and put them Super Bowls too,

810
00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:35,880
Speaker 5: to add to the.

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Speaker 1: Well I know that, and he cut off Brady's undefeated season.

812
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:41,439
Speaker 1: Eli Manning should definitely be in the Hall of Fame,

813
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:44,560
Speaker 1: and now apparently he's not made it on the second voting.

814
00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:48,320
Speaker 1: And I can't imagine why Belichick. I could imagine why

815
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:51,000
Speaker 1: that didn't happen to vacuum. He cheated, and I think

816
00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:52,960
Speaker 1: people called him on that. I don't buy that stuff

817
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:54,680
Speaker 1: that the guy wrote in the Kansas City Paper about

818
00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:57,880
Speaker 1: how he voted for Ken Anderson because I don't know,

819
00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:00,960
Speaker 1: he's almost dead or whatever, and I'll feel if that

820
00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:05,040
Speaker 1: is his reasoning, it's absurd. But uh, but Belichick cheated.

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Speaker 6: Uh.

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Speaker 1: Eli Manning, like I said, not only was a great

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00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:11,400
Speaker 1: quarterback a Manning played in New York, won two Super

824
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:16,840
Speaker 1: Bowls and a few larger than life moments that everybody remembers. Okay,

825
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:19,000
Speaker 1: up next, we'll take one more look at the Belichick thing.

826
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Speaker 1: And I don't know why, but we're going to talk

827
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Speaker 1: to mister Friday afternoon. You're all one O five to

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Speaker 1: ninety x