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Speaker 1: We got Monday night football coming up here in a

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Speaker 1: little over an hour, Steelers and Texans. Boy looks cold

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Speaker 1: out there, Dave. Everybody's uh, oh my gosh, like rich

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Speaker 1: Texans coming from Houston.

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Speaker 2: Ooh that's that looks very cold.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I think it gets a little chili in Pittsburgh in

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Speaker 4: the fall and winter.

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Speaker 1: Interesting textures today, Holy cow, I'm just catching up with

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Speaker 1: you guys.

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Speaker 3: My oh my, what's what? What have we got?

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Speaker 2: Well?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, what do we have here? It's radio? Uh give

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Speaker 3: me sound real good.

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Speaker 2: I don't know a couple of are you debating as

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Speaker 2: to whether to read it? I am debating whether it's me?

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Speaker 3: Which one is it? Ryan?

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Speaker 1: Have you ever played played behind a bad line? If

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Speaker 1: you had, you had had different point of view? I

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Speaker 1: don't even know what I said.

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Speaker 2: What I say?

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Speaker 3: You said you just like justin Herbert, Yeah, that's right.

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Speaker 1: I never said that, actually, And just tell them I'm

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Speaker 1: a really big fan of his quarterback play.

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Speaker 2: I also think he craters in big moments. I think

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Speaker 2: that old things can be true.

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Speaker 3: That sounds exactly what the Texas listen.

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Speaker 4: I love you, but that is I don't even know

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Speaker 4: where to start with that. Okay, I mean yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 4: you're entitled to your point of view. History would be

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Speaker 4: on my side on this one, but absolutely not, absolutely not.

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Speaker 4: You think so you think he cratered last night?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: I do well that if I didn't like you a lot,

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Speaker 4: what's a lot like? If I didn't care about you,

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Speaker 4: I would verbally attack you in a way that you'd

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Speaker 4: be bleeding from various orifices in your body and not

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Speaker 4: even know it. That sounds more like physically than verbal. No, no, no, no,

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Speaker 4: ain't no physical between me and Ryan.

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Speaker 2: No, there's a lot of blood thuff.

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Speaker 4: I just thought he took an ass whooping. I thought

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Speaker 4: he stood in there, that he missed some throws he did.

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Speaker 3: I can't remember the.

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Speaker 4: Last game that I saw a quarterback almost from start

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Speaker 4: to finish running for his life more than Justin Herbert did,

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Speaker 4: and to his credit, I mean kept getting up and

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Speaker 4: getting up. I just thought the entire game plan was

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Speaker 4: a joke, and they looked ill prepared to me for

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Speaker 4: what the Patriots brought. And then to hear the offensive

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Speaker 4: lineman tell the defensive lineman to the Patriots, the Chargers

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Speaker 4: O lineman say, man, we didn't have any idea where

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Speaker 4: you guys are coming from.

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Speaker 3: That is such an indictment on how you were prepared.

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Speaker 5: But this is why I've been I'm a fan of

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Speaker 5: mobile quarterbacks. This is why I love the fact that

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Speaker 5: Bow runs when the receivers are not separating.

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Speaker 3: Down the field. Bow runs. When the run game isn't

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Speaker 3: on track. Bow runs. If there is leaky protection, Bow runs.

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Speaker 5: So I love the idea of him pulling the ball

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Speaker 5: down and running.

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Speaker 3: And early in this boul.

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Speaker 5: Was criticized and artercized by those in national media guys

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Speaker 5: who are former quarterback turned analysts that he bilds on

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Speaker 5: place too quickly. And I'm like you would too if

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Speaker 5: things are not working out the way that you want

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Speaker 3: But you know that God gifted you with the ability

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Speaker 5: these guys don't have the abilities to run, the bumps

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Speaker 5: and bruises that they have would be much worse.

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Speaker 1: Dave, what do you think this time around, going from

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Speaker 1: last year with the Broncos playing the Bills to now

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Speaker 1: this year playing them in the divisional round, why do

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Speaker 1: you think it would be different for the Broncos.

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Speaker 4: I think there are a couple of reasons, maybe three reasons.

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Speaker 4: One's location. I just think you have a chance to

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Speaker 4: hard place to play back in Buffalo, right The weather,

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Speaker 4: think home field advantage matters, especially I think maybe even

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Speaker 4: in my book, would would be classified as a young team,

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Speaker 4: young in terms of the overall age of a lot

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Speaker 4: So I think it will help them. I think the

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Speaker 3: In that game.

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Speaker 4: Two, I think they're better. They're better defensively. I think

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Speaker 4: they're better against the run, and I think they're better offensively.

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Speaker 4: I think it's you got bo Knicks in his second year.

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Speaker 4: I listen, I would feel a lot better if JK.

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Speaker 4: Dobbins were running the ball because I just think he's

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Speaker 4: And I think the last thing would be the way

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Speaker 4: good bad, indifferent, be able to if necessary, right the ship,

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Speaker 4: So I you know, I don't think you know, I

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Speaker 4: don't think this is going to be an easy game.

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Speaker 4: I don't think it's a runaway game. I think it's

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Speaker 4: going to come right down to the wire. And I've

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Speaker 4: said this before to the Bills. If I'm the Bills,

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Speaker 4: do I think I have a chance to win?

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Speaker 3: Hell? Yes I do. I come in here with a

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Speaker 4: Broncos, do I think I can win this game? You

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Speaker 4: absolutely bet I do. We were eight and one at

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Speaker 4: home this year for a reason. So come on in

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you have to feel that way if you are

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Speaker 5: the Broncos coaching staff, the fans, and the players. You've

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Speaker 5: done it all season long, and for me, I always

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Speaker 3: I saw, and that was the game against the.

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Speaker 5: Green Bay Packers, and I just felt as though that

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Speaker 5: the following week they lose to Trevor Lawrence and the Jaguars,

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Speaker 5: But it was that game we saw the defense playing

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Speaker 3: Now, when you look at.

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Speaker 5: Josh Allen, a whole different subset of challenges that Josh

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Speaker 5: Allen actually presents. Now, does that say that the Broncos

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Speaker 5: cannot win that game. No, But if you put yourself

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Speaker 5: why can't they not be Josh Allen and the Bilds.

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Speaker 1: I like all the reasons you guys brought up, and

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Speaker 1: I subscribe to all. The one that for me brings

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Speaker 1: me some optimism is the record in one score games.

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Speaker 1: Last year there were one and six in those one

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Speaker 1: is obviously a focal point of the offseason. Sean Payton

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Speaker 1: even acknowledged it, saying, we've got to be better in

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Speaker 1: the plays that we have to make to win those games,

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Speaker 1: because that's what matters in the postseason.

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Speaker 2: You just said it in the first hour. Almost all these.

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Speaker 1: Playoff games, with the exception of the New England game,

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Speaker 1: they're all one score games. They all came down to

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Speaker 2: They'll feel comfortable.

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Speaker 4: It's why I give The's a really good chance to

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Speaker 4: I've seen guys that are good players that will turn

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Speaker 4: need to pull it. I do not think bo Nicks

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Speaker 4: And he's got to make that throw on a deep

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Speaker 4: it's a quality that you have to have, not every

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Speaker 4: that has endeared him to Sean. There are other things

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Speaker 4: And we've seen him do it in big times, big scenarios.

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Speaker 3: And do it successfully.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and not to that point of the mental part

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Speaker 1: an example of that, where he seemed a little jittery,

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Speaker 1: seemed like he was thinking a little bit too much

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Speaker 1: that that'd be like by one worry about Bonux coming

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Speaker 2: Is trying to be more than you are, right.

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Speaker 4: I think that's where Sean and Davis have to do

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Speaker 4: a really good job with him this week. Yeah, they can't.

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Speaker 4: To me, and I used the term whatever game it

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Speaker 4: it to a certain extent. You can't squelch it. He's not,

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Speaker 4: you know, he's not a pure pocket guy. He can

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Speaker 4: what a great throw that was. I think you have

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Speaker 4: you make that throw, make sure you really like it.

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Speaker 4: You know, it's like Buffalo Jacksonville scores four minutes to go.

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Speaker 4: I'm watching the game at home, and I said to myself,

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Speaker 4: Scoring had just the absolute confidence in whether I'd seen

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Speaker 4: it before Josh Allen, you know. And he made a

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Speaker 4: couple of great throws. One the Cooks in the slot. Man,

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Speaker 5: And what we're talking about this is real, real stuff

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Speaker 3: No, you need to go out there and do you

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Speaker 3: Yes, that's the thing that makes them unique.

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Speaker 5: And we've seen both do it, but we haven't really

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Speaker 3: Like I believe in you. I need you for us

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Speaker 5: Get turnovers, but I need you to be a different

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Speaker 4: Those are the guys that have ended Josh Allen's campaign.

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Speaker 3: As good as he's been the MVP of the league.

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Speaker 4: So this year, you know, a lot of people outside

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Speaker 4: Most people will pick the Bills, and most people expect

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Speaker 3: See, he can do.

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Speaker 5: Something that Lamar Jackson didn't do because Lamar won the MVP,

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Speaker 5: he wants to be a god. And they're like, no, no, no, no, no,

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Speaker 3: I'm like, no, he's not. No, he's not.

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Speaker 5: See there's a difference. If you understand Greek mythology. Right now,

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Speaker 5: is that's where he can get to. Because we've seen

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Speaker 3: Jim Kelly, by the way, a great quarterback.

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Speaker 2: Hell yeah, Kelly is a great quarterback.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely. How many super Bowls he win? Zero?

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Speaker 4: Once again it goes back to because you're the one

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Speaker 4: he had won, he wasn't super Bowl, he hadn't won

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Speaker 3: Jim Kelly didn't win a Super Bowl.

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Speaker 1: I said, he's a great quarterback that creators in big moments.

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Speaker 1: Jim Kelly won a lot of playoff games, they didn't

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Speaker 4: Well, well so did he Creter Marris. Okay, so you

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Speaker 4: said Jim Kelly creator too. If you lose it, you

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Speaker 1: They lose all four of those Super Bowls because of

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Speaker 3: Play I'm saying it. You should ask you.

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Speaker 1: Well, I'm asking like, when we think about those games,

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Speaker 2: Well, that's not what I think.

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Speaker 3: Not we Like, I don't think that now, Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: But justin Herbert at least in the last two postseason

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Speaker 2: Would you disagree with that?

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Speaker 5: I would say, no, he did have great games. But

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Speaker 5: I know as to huh why he didn't have great games?

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Speaker 2: Oh, because everybody else let him down, not him.

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Speaker 3: Game plan certainly let him down.

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Speaker 2: That is I'm sure Houston last year.

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Speaker 4: His officive line didn't help. No, I think he's got

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Speaker 4: well against Houston. You got any quarterbacks that you can say,

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Speaker 4: they didn't play well. Got any of those, let me

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Speaker 4: just saying. I'm just saying, yeah, exist, that doesn't exist, right,

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Speaker 3: Right, it doesn't exist.

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Speaker 1: But if you do this enough, and you do this

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Speaker 2: He's two and three in divisional round. He's zero and

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Speaker 3: So would you say he cratered in the championship games?

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Speaker 3: And that doesn't make Josh Allen the back QUARTERBA, But.

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Speaker 2: Like again, you're you're working inflating.

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Speaker 1: And again, it could be all, it could be everything,

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Speaker 5: This is the same reason why I understand why he

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Speaker 1: This this game for bone Knicks sort of bringing it back.

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Speaker 4: I think I think Josh Allen has tied Tom Brady's

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Speaker 4: So I mean to me, Josh Allen is one of

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Speaker 5: It wasn't like Seattle, Denver, California, where it was it

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Speaker 5: was legal.

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Speaker 3: So it was really pungent.

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Speaker 2: A little bit pungent, yes, for sure.

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Speaker 1: Before we kind of get into this Monday night football game,

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Speaker 1: we gotta want to get your thoughts on that. Thinking

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Speaker 1: about this earlier today, we at least for me, I

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Speaker 1: thought the Buffalo Bills, and I mean no disrespect to

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Speaker 1: the rest of the AFC teams, I thought they represented

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Speaker 1: the best team remaining of the AFC teams. Like in

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Speaker 1: perspective of if the Broncos can win this game, how

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Speaker 1: do we feel about their chances to get to the

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl? At that point, You're gonna have a home game, right,

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Speaker 1: So whether it's New England or one of these two teams, I.

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Speaker 4: Would say I would say New England with that home

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Speaker 4: game based on what I saw last night. I came

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Speaker 4: away from that game a thinking what a horrible offensive

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Speaker 4: game plan that was for the Chargers. But I was

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Speaker 4: impressed with New England and I was impressed with the

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Speaker 4: physicality on both sides of the ball. I mean, I

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Speaker 4: you know, they they were getting after the Chargers. I

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Speaker 4: would I would probably think if I had to guess,

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Speaker 4: then the Broncos beat the Bills Saturday, I would guess

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Speaker 4: they're going to face the Patriots in AFC Championship game

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Speaker 4: here in Denver.

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Speaker 1: And that would you? I mean, again, we get to

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Speaker 1: look ahead the Broncos don't. How would you feel about that?

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Speaker 1: Based on the matchway I.

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Speaker 4: Feel about this game coming up Saturday against Buffalo, I

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Speaker 4: think Denver can win the game. They're going to have

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Speaker 4: to play their best football the season, but that's that's

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Speaker 4: how it is in the playoffs. You got to you

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Speaker 4: got to bring you got to bring your best, and

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Speaker 4: they'll be four or five plays in each of those

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Speaker 4: games should there be two that the Broncos have to

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Speaker 4: make sure. There'll be four or five plays that are

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Speaker 4: deciding plays in the game that guys like us who

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Speaker 4: go back the next day and we'll talk about those

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Speaker 4: five places and the Broncos have to make sure they

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Speaker 4: make three or four of those five.

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Speaker 5: If the Broncos were to get past Buffalo, like would Dave,

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Speaker 5: I agree that the Patriots would be that team.

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Speaker 3: But how nostalgic would that be? From twenty fifteen? Right? Yes?

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Speaker 3: Incredible and it's even nostalgic.

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Speaker 5: From my time playing with the Denver Broncos, it always

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Speaker 5: came down to either the Broncos, the Pittsburgh Steelers Ravens.

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Speaker 3: Or Cleveland Browns. Yep, Cleveland brown never mind.

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Speaker 1: I just thought interject, well, there nobody.

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Speaker 4: Else ever going to talk about them, and rightfully saw

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Speaker 4: a championship sort of conversation.

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Speaker 3: So I just threw them, man, because I was about

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Speaker 3: to say, what the missing were you talking? Yeah? Well

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Speaker 3: you know one one that I lived in from time

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Speaker 3: at the time.

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Speaker 4: Wow, yeah, you are the thirteen time team.

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Speaker 3: Excuse me? Were you on the thirteen team? No?

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Speaker 4: You already done? Yes, so it should it be the

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Speaker 4: Broncos and the Patriots. They played the AFC Championship game

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Speaker 4: in both twenty fifteen and twenty thirteen.

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Speaker 3: Do you know the Broncos?

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Speaker 4: I mean, how many times have the Broncos kept the

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Speaker 4: Patriots from out of the Super Bowl and all the

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Speaker 4: all the Patriots had to do was win another game?

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Speaker 4: How many Super Bowls did Tom Brady and company go

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Speaker 4: to with the Patriots?

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Speaker 3: Eight? Did you go to?

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Speaker 2: My guest, off the top of my head, what was

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Speaker 2: it was it?

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Speaker 3: Eight?

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Speaker 2: I will want to say you went to a total

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Speaker 2: of ten.

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Speaker 3: One with Tampa.

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Speaker 1: Yep, you played in nine Super Rules with the Patriots

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Speaker 1: and one with Buccaneers.

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Speaker 3: So nine with New England.

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Speaker 4: And they were a game away from going in thirteen

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Speaker 4: and a game away from going in fifteen.

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Speaker 3: Wow? Was there? Did they lose in any.

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Speaker 4: Other AFC championship contest?

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Speaker 5: Well, when we played them back in five, they we

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Speaker 5: beat them, and then we played.

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Speaker 3: Pittsburgh the next but that wasn't the AFC Championship. It wasn't.

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Speaker 4: I think the Steelers beat them, or did they or

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Speaker 4: did Baltimore beat them in Foxborough?

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Speaker 5: Was that AFC champions Baltimore because Flacco was a quarterback?

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Speaker 3: Yep, that's when they had Derek Mason. Yeah, and that crew.

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Speaker 1: So it says that Tom Brady played in thirteen AFC

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Speaker 1: Championship games, which is just insanity. Thirteen nine wins, nine wins.

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Speaker 2: And four losses.

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Speaker 3: So two of them to the Broncos.

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Speaker 1: Broncos won to Baltimore, one to Baltimore was the other

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Speaker 1: one here.

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Speaker 3: Was terrible at football?

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Speaker 2: Oh, it probably was, right.

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Speaker 4: Uh, Pittsburgh went the year they beat Seattle, and then

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Speaker 4: they went the year they beat Arizona.

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Speaker 3: Where it might go away is that that's not before Brady. Right,

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Speaker 3: you're right, You're right. I believe you're right.

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Speaker 4: Thirteen AFC Championships, Good Lord, No wonder.

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Speaker 3: People are glad he's doing TV, no doubt. I can

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Speaker 3: tell you this.

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Speaker 5: Jets fans for sure, but it didn't really change anything

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Speaker 5: for them either way.

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Speaker 1: No, Wow, I lost here, But that's a dynasty. That

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Speaker 1: is a dynasty.

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Speaker 3: That's the dynasty for sure.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Indianapolis, Oh, Indy beating with Peyton right in Indy, yep.

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Speaker 4: And the Patriots were ahead in that game. I think

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Speaker 4: twenty one to.

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Speaker 2: Three two thousand and seven, the two thousand and six season.

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Speaker 4: I think it was twenty one. It might have been

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Speaker 4: twenty one six. Patriots were ahead in the first half.

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Speaker 4: I think twenty one to three.

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Speaker 2: I don't have the final on this, but that they

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Speaker 2: said that was the other one.

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Speaker 4: So that was the one where Brady got intercepted late

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Speaker 4: in the game, and that's the one where Peyton the

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Speaker 4: prior drive took him down and they scored with not

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Speaker 4: much time left.

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Speaker 1: Is I mean, there's been some unbelievable rivalries, but for me,

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Speaker 1: sort of quintessential Tom Brady versus Peyton Manning Colts Patriots.

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Speaker 2: That's always gonna be one of my favorites of all time.

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Speaker 4: It's hard, it's hard to say there there was a

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Speaker 4: better rivalry. I mean, growing up here in Denver, for me,

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Speaker 4: it was the Broncos and the Raiders, even though the

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Speaker 4: Raiders for the most part had their way with the

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Speaker 4: Broncos until seventy seven. But yeah, Patriots, Patriots and Brady

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Speaker 4: I'm excuse me, Patriots and Manning both in Indie and here,

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Speaker 4: and Peyton got him twice in AFC Championship.

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Speaker 3: Games in the four years he was here with Denver

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Speaker 3: as always.

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Speaker 5: Though Patriots fans when they tried to get to Smart

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Speaker 5: for their bushes, I'm like, yeah, you guys have a

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Speaker 5: couple of Super Bowls, but I remember denying you guys

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Speaker 5: several times.

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Speaker 1: It twenty four to seven Benjamin all Bright Broncos Country

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Speaker 1: Tonight coming to the top of the art high beend.

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Speaker 2: Got t how to going there? That turned on professional

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Speaker 2: or something.

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Speaker 1: Here go you're you're chargers chargered, chargered a bit. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I had opportunities, man, I called your shot. I had opportunities.

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Speaker 1: Couldn't get it done with two.

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Speaker 2: L's in a short span of time.

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Speaker 3: You were one. Now that's the only game I missed

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Speaker 3: on this wee Yah.

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Speaker 1: Mean you said you said Miami was going to win

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Speaker 1: by double digits, and you know that didn't.

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Speaker 2: Didn't quite work out.

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Speaker 3: He should have.

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Speaker 2: By the way, I gotta get some love to Indiana. Indiana.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I go win the whole thing.

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Speaker 2: But wow, do you see eight and a half now?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Day we were talking about at earlier eight and a

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Speaker 2: half now, Miami.

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Speaker 1: So what happens when you got grown men playing against

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Speaker 1: nineteen twenty year old boys?

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Speaker 3: Say average age of any had his player. That's play

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Speaker 3: that I don't like about the portal. I mean, I

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Speaker 3: understand getting.

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Speaker 5: Experience and all of that, but you have, like Vin said,

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Speaker 5: grown men playing against eighteen yu old kids.

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Speaker 3: A vantage goes in an average age like twenty five.

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Speaker 3: Is that what it is? It's like twenty four point something. Well,

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Speaker 3: they got the kickers. I think I'm already counting that.

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Speaker 2: I'm talking about the Yeah, I'm talking about the offensive defense.

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Speaker 2: So why because they got line.

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Speaker 3: Five and six years in college?

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Speaker 2: They got a lineman for like eight years.

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Speaker 3: Yes, like super super seniors.

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Speaker 1: You build a team. We just played that kirkurb Street

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Speaker 1: sound from on Friday. When you're talking about building a team.

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Speaker 3: I got it. Offense, Kurt Signette's done a hell of

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Speaker 3: a job.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not trying to take any away.

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Speaker 3: From helping the job. They do not beat themselves.

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Speaker 4: They are very I do think Miami has a chance

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Speaker 4: to be in this game they're playing in Miami. I

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Speaker 4: think Miami's got some grown ass men as well, and

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Speaker 4: I think they can run the ball. I think it'll

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Speaker 4: be it'll be a physical knockdown.

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Speaker 3: Where where I worry a little bit about.

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Speaker 4: About Miami is I just don't expect Indiana to make

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Speaker 4: any mistakes on offense.

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Speaker 3: If they turn the ball over.

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Speaker 4: It's like, wait, what Miami with Carson Beck is that's

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Speaker 4: a little dicey in terms of how where he throws

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Speaker 4: the ball at times.

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Speaker 2: That's the key matchup to me, Carson Beck said defense,

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Speaker 2: Ye for Kurt Signetti real quick.

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Speaker 1: So he like, I think Kirby Smart's probably the best

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Speaker 1: college football coach right now. Because we're sitting here and

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Speaker 1: we suffer debate. What would Kurt Signetti have to do.

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Speaker 1: Let's say he wins wins a championship. Does he vault

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Speaker 1: into the conversation as one of the best coaches right?

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Speaker 3: Oh?

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Speaker 4: Absolutely, He's already there. Yeah, okay, I mean he's been

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Speaker 4: there two years. He took over a dormant program that

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Speaker 4: had more losses in college football history than any other program,

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Speaker 4: and they lost twice.

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Speaker 3: None this year.

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Speaker 4: They lost two games last year to Notre Dame and

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Speaker 4: I can't remember who else beat them at Ohio State.

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Speaker 3: Yep.

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Speaker 4: Maybe, but they're I mean they're blasted. They don't beat themselves.

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Speaker 4: That's to me, the biggest We had to take a

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Speaker 4: key from Indiana's success to say what is it?

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Speaker 3: Man? I think that's an overlooked key.

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Speaker 1: Great John today, Nick has always appreciation food stuff, grants,

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Speaker 1: love your brother, good stuff. Benjamin Olbright Broncos Country Tonight

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Speaker 1: coming up next,